Sept. 8, 2023

American Utopia & The Fresh Prince of Bel Air

American Utopia & The Fresh Prince of Bel Air

Hello and welcome to another harmonious episode of Bad Dads Film Review! Dads, grab your air guitars, don your freshest 90s threads, and let’s explore the collision of music, movies, and some serious sitcom nostalgia.

Top 5: Musician Cameos in Movies: Have you ever been watching a movie and suddenly thought, "Wait, isn't that...?" Musicians popping up in our favorite films can be a delightful surprise. From David Bowie in "Zoolander" to Keith Richards in "Pirates of the Caribbean," we’ll rank and rave about the most memorable, unexpected, and downright hilarious musician cameos on the big screen. Plus, as Dads, we'll have a few personal stories up our sleeves about explaining to our kids who that “old guy” is playing Jack Sparrow's dad.

Movie of the Week: American Utopia: Directed by Spike Lee and featuring the eclectic David Byrne (yes, him again), "American Utopia" is a live Broadway adaptation of Byrne’s album and tour of the same name. We’ll dive into the visuals, the music, the raw energy, and the impactful themes interwoven throughout this stage-to-screen experience. From sociopolitical messages to heart-pounding choreography, we’ll dissect how "American Utopia" creates, well, its own version of Utopia for its audience.

Kids TV: The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air: Now, this is a story all about how... we get nostalgic about one of the most iconic sitcoms of the 90s. We Dads will not only reminisce about our favorite Fresh Prince moments but also discuss the cultural impact the show had and the lessons it brought to the living rooms around the world. And as we recount the comedic genius of Will Smith and the charm of the Banks family, we’ll also touch upon the show’s deeper themes of identity, class, and familial bonds.

Whether you're in for the musical musings, stage spectacles, or just eager to do the Carlton dance, we've got you covered. Tune into Bad Dads Film Review, where every episode is a mixtape of cinematic insights and Dad-level humor. Time to drop the beat!

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Transcript

American Utopia

Sidey: Riggs has abandoned us this

Dan: Yeah, no one to...

Sidey: we all know what that

Dan: know what that means. No snazzy intro. There's no

Sidey: snazzy intro but what we are doing this week is the same structure. So we've got a top five and we've got a thing to talk about movie wise and we've got a kids program But it's all on a kind of musical theme.

Cris: Themed, yes.

Sidey: Cast your mind back to uh midweek where we talked about the very excellent talking heads Stop making sense movie that I think we all really enjoyed and there may be similar type stuff to talk about in our main feature this week But we're gonna dive straight in I guess to our top five music

Dan: Yeah So just to be clear they didn't need to be playing in

Sidey: More known for their musical prowess than they are for their acting prowess. And then there may be a couple of gray areas. I don't know to what extent a cameo is a full acting performance. I don't know. We can get into it I suppose because there's one that crops up. We've had it nominated online and also I was thinking about it and I thought do you know what actually that's just acting as opposed to just popping up in a scene for

Dan: popping up in a scene Yeah, go on then. I, the first

Sidey: Yeah, go on then. I, the first one I've got is George Harrison. He was very briefly in Monty Python's Life of Brian. There was a lot of difficulty getting funding for the movie because of its potentially blasphemous controversial at the time content, but George Harrison was a big Python fan.

Dan: big Python fan. He was a,

Sidey: that his production company? I think so, yeah. Yeah, so he was happy to put the money up for it and as a, I guess as a thank you or just a little, here you go, he he appears

Dan: I'm not sure he didn't have any something to do with Widenar as well.

Sidey: was perfect, I suppose.

Dan: no.

Sidey: But he's, yeah, he's only in it for just a few seconds, so definitely, definitely fits my interpretation of a cameo, yeah.

Christoph?

Cris: I've only got a few of them, as I said before. I've got Tupac and Janet Jackson. In a movie called Poetic Justice.

Sidey: Oh, right, yeah, yeah.

Cris: Which apparently the rumor has it that the sex scene...

Sidey: were they doing it?

Cris: Were actually, well, she wasn't really keen, but Tupac was really keen. So, obviously he's dead now, so you can't really, well, allegedly.

So you can't really...

Sidey: she had him killed, you're saying? I don't,

Cris: don't, well, he could be, you never know.

Dan: You never know He actually

Cris: He actually did it and she wasn't very happy with it apparently and Because the scene itself scene itself in the movie is more kind of rapey if I'm allowed to say that it's a bit rough And apparently he actually kind of forced

Sidey: He went full method.

Cris: Yeah. so, so that's, I'm not nominating this movie because of that. I just thought it's two actual musicians that are known for the music rather, therefore, rather than for their acting abilities. And it kind of tells the story about their acting abilities because they don't really have any more. Appearances in movies afterwards.

Sidey: When's, When's Above the Rim? That's Tupac's in that. It's a gangster basketball movie. Basketball

Cris: Oh, yes. Yeah, I think it's, well this is 93. He died in 96, so I think that's when he is 95 above the rim.

Sidey: I quite like, I quite like that one.

Cris: Yeah

Dan: I've got Keith, Keith Richards in Pirates of the Caribbean. He makes on Stranger Tides. He comes in and makes a brief cameo.

He was,

Sidey: There was loads of chat when everyone was saying, oh, you know, Johnny Depp's just doing a Keith Richards impression. Yeah. And

Dan: And I think he did base basic kind of on Keith A. Little bit. And and yeah, he, he comes on, he, he's dressed up as a pirate. He talks to Johnny Depp for a few minutes and and, and that's it.

You know, there's no real acting depth though. I think this is a, a true cameo to be honest.

Sidey: Okay. Yeah, I think we can, I think we can go with that. It's like the third or fourth movie, something like that, when he,

Dan: On the straight it's 2011 Even though because he's a big

Sidey: Pete would know because he's a big fan.

He would know all about it. Yeah, but I'm, I'm out on Pirates of the Caribbean, it didn't

Cris: know all about it. Yeah, but I'm, I'm out on Pirates

Dan: I really enjoyed the

Cris: Yeah I, I really enjoyed the film. Very true.

Dan: Very few of us are

Sidey: ahead on that one. Back to the Future franchise is quite fertile ground for musical cameos.

Dan: Who have we got in that?

Sidey: Well, I'm gonna go to the end of the franchise to back to the future three where they have the hoedown or the You know the party in in the old town and the music is provided by ZZ Top

Dan: right? Yeah, that

Sidey: Who I think people kind of, think of a bit of a jokey band because they've got, you know, the beards and whatever and some of the latest songs, you know, like she's got legs, but they got their early stuff.

It's such a wanky, hipster thing to say, they're always this good, but they've got an album called Tres Hombres fucking rad. It's really good. They properly rocked

Dan: Yeah, no,

Sidey: they're good. And they have cameoing in Back to the Future 3.

Dan: Okay.

Cris: They have, I've watched a documentary on them on Netflix, which is actually quite good. If anyone wants

Dan: Yeah. Well they're crazy looking guys, aren't they?

You know,

Cris: couldn't tell you the name of it. But I also have as an a musician in a movie, which is a very short appearance, but it's a, it's a.

An artist which I really like and unfortunately he committed suicide. But his name is Chester Bennington and he is in the movie Crank.

Sidey: Right, okay, yeah, yeah,

Cris: makes a short cameo appearance when David, Jason

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: His character is looking for something that starts with an E. And the woman in the hospital is like, England?

And Chester Bennington plays the guy in the hospital kind of pharmacy. And it just tells him, nasal spray. It's got epinephrine in it. Get that. And I thought it was quite a cool little cameo. He's not, he's not, he's not, he's not a big role. He's not something that you, and he's not Keith Richards, but he's, I would think, I would say he's still a big name.

And I did enjoy his

Dan: was he in Limp

Cris: Linkin Park.

Dan: Park, yeah.

Cris: So that was a cameo. The Crank movie, not necessarily the greatest movie in the world, but a

Sidey: Second greatest. Second,

Cris: Second, yeah,

Dan: Well, this may be going into the slightly more acting side of things, but it's Big Lebowski and Flea.

Sidey: No, I would say that's still

Dan: we still cameoing there?

Sidey: he's my next Back to Future one, because he's in Back to

Dan: Right, okay, so Flea's getting a double hit here, but yeah, he plays one of the kind of hapless German

Sidey: Autobahn.

Dan: from the Autobahn.

Oh, yeah, and It's it's brilliant. You know, it's a fantastic

Sidey: We wants the fucking money Lebowski!

Dan: Yeah, the boss

Sidey: He gets the bowling ball to the, I don't know, let's say midriff, but possibly bollocks from Walter.

Just chucks his bowling ball right at him.

Dan: Brilliant, yeah.

Sidey: The other one, the lady. Of the nihilist the I think she's just titled as nihilist lady in the credits. That's amy man. She's also a musician

Dan: Right, okay,

Sidey: She's the one who gives who gives up her toe her little pinky toe for the yeah The ransom the final one of my back to the future.

It's a trilogy and i've got a trilogy of cameos It's huey lewis and then in the news. He's rating. He's doing the auditions for the The, what's the fucking thing called? The Enchantment Under the Sea dance. Martin McFly's band play and he doesn't like them and he's got the, he's got the megaphone and he obviously does the Back to the Future soundtrack but yeah, so he appears.

He's like a nerdy guy, he's got like big glasses and stuff and yeah. Bit of Huey Lewis action.

Cris: a section He says it's just acting,

Sidey: That's, that's just acting, isn't

Cris: No, true Before then

Dan: before then she wasn't, no.

Sidey: Or a swimming.

Dan: Too early? Is

Sidey: is that the only film apparent she's had? Could be. Sure. Yeah.

Dan: for, it's a long cameo though,

Sidey: Yeah. Well, we'll,

Dan: whole movie, but No, I get it. I take it. 'cause I've, I've got four or five. No, it does not Chris, because otherwise this is gonna be a short

Sidey: Well, we'll let the listeners decide.

Dan: Well,

Cris: Yeah. I've, I mean, I'm, I was impressed by that because I didn't know. And I didn't expect her to act. I thought she was quite good. I know it's, she plays kind of herself because it's a role of a musician, but I thought I still have to put it there. And I'm not just putting people that died in movies as in, you know, it's...

Sidey: No, i've got some that don't die.

Dan: Okay. Well, well, I've got actually the, the late Queen of Soul I'm gonna put in reefer Franklin in the Blues Brothers.

It's a, it's a short kind of cameo. I would, I would say again, I mean, it's not a a, a long, she plays the. The owner of the waitress in the in the diner and she has a brilliant scene and she's just absolutely fantastic. She does think because she's trying to tell her man look don't go out with these guys like you gotta think you're trying to do with me and it's brilliant and just with a hand on her hips and she's you know swinging it she's she's just on top form that is memorable and there's a load in there actually you could go around in that film and there'll be another few musicians in there too

Sidey: Okay. It's been a while since we've had a David Bowie impersonation, Dan.

Dan: of Dan.

Well, he cameos

Sidey: Well he cameos in a couple of movies.

Dan: Guess, the star

Sidey: But he's, he's I guess the star of Labyrinth. But these other two, he just pops up in a, definitely, I would say a cameo appearance. Well,

Dan: What's that? Tell

Sidey: this one. So the first one that came up with Zoolander, he.

He's very briefly in that. But one that resonates with me is Trim Peaks Firewalk With Me. So not the TV series, but the movie follow up that's a prequel.

Dan: also in Extras.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah, true. He plays the kind of police captain type, or no, FBI agent. It's really fucking weird. So the, the TV series has a lot of quirky humor in it.

That's really gone in Twin Peaks Firework with me. It's more just straight up horror. And he has these, he just disappears and then he has this moment in a staircase where he's just fucking screaming and there's fire and it's fucking crazy. But again, he was kind of an out there dude anyway. So there's a couple of David Bowie ones.

Cris: Bowie ones. Okay, I've only got the one which, I know she's been in a few movies and the only one I'm gonna say is not where she was an actual actress as in like the Ocean's 8 and all that.

It's Rihanna. In a movie called This Is The End. And she's

Sidey: Oh, is that the Christmas party one? Yes.

Cris: party one. Yes, where it's kind of the end of the world stuff and... I can't remember the Michael, Sarah's character, but he's like, we're all going to die. Rihanna shows your tits and she's like, fuck off. You show us your tits. So I thought it was quite a nice joke from her. And that was, that is a cameo. That is not a,

Sidey: Yeah, for sure. That

Cris: is a cameo.

Dan: Well, I, I, I guess I don't know. See what you think. It's Lauren Hill. Sister. The sister act two. Back, back in the

Sidey: and have it Yeah,

Dan: Yeah. And you know, Lauren Hill. She was in this Whoopi Goldberg film, I think she's only young,

Sidey: yeah, she would

Dan: she's like 17 or something. And there she is, she's part of the, the chorus and the,

Sidey: she get a prison? Did she do it? Did she do a tax thing? Was that what?

Cris: In reality, or... Yeah. Oh,

Dan: I think there was something to do with

Cris: I know she's got a million kids. A million? Yeah she, she

Sidey: Like Pete?

Cris: Well, she's, she's married to one of the Marleys, to one of the Marleys children. And she said that if she wouldn't be on the pill from time to time, he would just be on, like he would just want kids after kids after kids, so. You know, yeah.

Sidey: A couple of guys that I think, just look Billy Ray Cyrus.

He's randomly in Mulholland Drive. Do you remember that?

Cris: Okay. I remember the movie, I don't remember him being in it, but I guess he's

Sidey: he's having an affair with the wife of the film director who's always carrying the golf club around and he beats him up, if I remember rightly. And then someone who I kind of, I think they're kind of separated, but him and Chris Isaac of Wicked Game fame he's a swap. Agent in Science of the Lambs.

He just appears in that sequence with the lift. And all the rest of it.

Dan: Agent in that yeah.

Sidey: like, what the fuck's he

Dan: I like, yeah, I like Chris Isaac. I

Sidey: but it's just odd when you see like,

Dan: random to see him

Sidey: he did any acting. Yeah. So yeah, those two.

Cris: Okay, I'm out of

Sidey: Okay,

Dan: Well, It's more acting again but meatloaf in Fight club, of course. He's he's too big a part and to be called a cameo but he's

Sidey: I would like

Dan: he plays bob paulson there,

Sidey: Bob has bitched it

Dan: and Yeah, he's he's just an absolutely fantastic actor as well

Sidey: Yeah,

Dan: He could do everything meatloaf, Rest in peace.

Yeah And you can't think of anyone better to do it. He just dead panned it and just got the, yeah, he was absolute genius in that. And yeah, he's his presence just kept the whole kind of film on track at parts as well. Just, you know, weighted the scenes down. It was brilliant.

Sidey: Point Break. Remember that one? Anthony Kiedis.

Dan: course.

Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: like a thug who beats up Johnny Utah. Yeah, he

Dan: Yeah, what's his line? He goes, Oh, I guess this is where you gonna say, I've got to leave the beach now and he goes, no, which gonna fuck you up. Yeah,

Sidey: He's got like a terrible

Dan: yeah.

Sidey: plat thing going on. So that's half, 50% of Red Hot Chili Peppers we've had cameoing in movies. King of Pop? Men in Black 2. He's on the video screen thing. He's when they're on a call and he fucking looks like shit. He really looks bad. No pun intended, he's just like properly bleached skin and his nose is like almost completely gone and he just fucking looks like shit and you're like, oh man.

I'm trying to get some laughs out of him but you're just kind of looking at him. One of my favourites, Bruce Springsteen. Do you remember where he crops up?

John Cusack film. Yes.

Cris: Okay.

Sidey: John Cusack is in a monologue and he's thinking like, Am I... Miserable because I listen to pop music or his pop music.

He's thinking about it and he's got this well, I think they're split up at the time him and his missus and he's Thinking and then he just looks up and the boss has got his telecaster just strumming away in his chair in his bedroom And it just gives him some wisdom a couple of lines of like, you know, well, you just need to do

Dan: you seem to do

Sidey: he's so f cool.

Yeah, and he's like, oh, thanks boss off he goes and then when I You know, I like the Marvel films, but they're definitely, I would say, the quality has fallen away and the real bad one is the Eternals. Anyone see that? So, it's a real jumbled mess and the film is just pretty shit, frankly, and but you're waiting at the end to see what the cameo is and I'd heard about it anyway and there's a guy comes through the spaceship, I think he's got a little fucking dwarfy sidekick and it's Harry Styles.

And it just looks, it's, they haven't like, embellished him, particularly he's got a costume or whatever, but it is just effectively a scrawny dude, Harry Styles. And I think he's supposed to be Thanos. So the fucking mad titan, massive dude, purple. He's supposed to be his brother, Eros, and you're like...

Really? Okay. It's not, it's not doing it for me. What, from the with the line chin? Yeah, yeah, Harry Styles as their, their brothers. And you're like, okay, brothers

Cris: Long lost brothers, dead brothers

Sidey: another mother, but it's just pretty shit. And I think that's just been like, well, forget, let's forget that we ever did

Dan: wasn't he? Harry Styles? In Dunkirk?

Sidey: Yes.

Dan: Yeah, I mean, potential.

Sidey: good stuff, but this was just like, whoa, what the fuck? Yeah, so I think they've just forgotten that ever happened. And we won't see him again.

Dan: I suppose Tina Turner in Mad Max should get a mention.

That, that's pretty mad. Iggy Pop's been, been in a few and he did a Jim Jarmusch film called Dead Man

Sidey: with

Dan: Johnny Depp. I really like this movie, actually. And yeah, he, he plays I think a Bible thumping...

Sidey: Right.

Dan: A little more than a cameo though, again in this. Sting, obviously was in Quadrophenia, but a big part.

Sidey: Well, he's got another nomination online, which is interesting. I've.

Got a few we'll just rattle through. Billy Idol, he's in The Wedding Singer, the Adam Sandler joint. Right. Of course he did the song, you know, White Wedding. Yeah. So that plays in quite nicely into that. Jarvis Cocker, in fact there's a fucking shitload of musicians in the band. Oh god, do we have the name of the band?

The Weird Sisters. So there's I think two members of Radiohead Phil Selway and Johnny Greenwood, I think is in the band and a couple of other people, maybe even some other people from Pulp. So there's a whole load of people cameoing as musicians in ooh, Goblet of Fire. That one. Yeah. And then, I'll keep that one back to the, oh, and I've got two more actually.

One of Pete's favorite bands, Blink 182.

Cris: Yeah. I love them.

Sidey: Do you remember American Pie? The scene where they're all watched, they've all watched, they've dialed in to Jim's webcam when he is Oh, like is the, trying to have sex with the really hot NAD straight Nadia. Yeah. And it's all going Pete to, and it flicks around all the different bedrooms, all the guys watching going, oh no.

Well, there's one lad watching it and behind him is all three of like blink 1, 8 2. It's weird. They're just like in there for a couple of seconds. Yeah. And then Mars attacks.

Dan: was a weird film that,

Sidey: Yeah, and fucking like, most people die. Yeah. But someone who doesn't die is Tom Jones.

Dan: He plays out the

Sidey: And he plays, he plays out the movie with It's Not Unusual. Still immaculate, like, see, all looking like crisp. Yeah, and he's, he's there at the end.

Cris: Yeah. he's a legend.

Sidey: Makes it through, yeah. Shall we go over to the Twitterverse to see what we've had? Because I must admit, I was, I was very late putting the... Thingy up, the tweet up, or the X, I don't know what the fuck it's called now.

But we have had a few Ewan Campbell says Elton John's cameo in Kingsman the Golden Circle, hands down the best. And then Andy Connolly we've got another shout out for Zoolander from Andy. And then some other guy called Riggs. He says, flee back to the future to and point break. Tom Waits in the Ballad of Buster Scruggs and he's also he has had more brief appearances at like more

Dan: Yeah, cameo

Sidey: distinct cameo appearances.

I would say That vinaigrette bit of Buster Scruggs, he's, you know,

Dan: Yeah, he's

Sidey: he's the main dude in it, but that's a poor part of the convo. And then this was the other nomination for Sting, it's Only Murders in the Building, the Disney Plus series, he's in that.

Dan: still haven't watched that.

Sidey: that. I haven't either.

Dan: was telling me

Sidey: Yeah, he's a fan, he's a big fan. Right, noms. Chris, what are you going for?

Dan: Well, while you decide I can't hold it any longer, I'll put in Flea in the Big Lebowski.

Sidey: Because

Dan: because I, I just love that film and each time I, I get to wedge in a on for it. I

Cris: Yeah, if we're gonna do cameos, it's gonna be Chester Bennington in Crank. Just because it's a cameo and it's a short one and he knows where the E stuff

Sidey: I have this one back and Riggs true Riggs style. It's the best movie ever made Wayne's world. And it's when they're backstage and they meet Alice Cooper. And he's he's being quite scholarly and he's discussing the origin of that hometown. And he said, it's actually pronounced Millie Waukee and it's the good land.

And they're all like, Oh my God, it's guy here. We're not worth it. That's where that comes from. And that's Alice Cooper. So that's what I'm putting in. And then I think, I like the Elton John Kingsman Golden Circle. So we'll put that in and then,

Dan: the best one ever, so

Sidey: yeah, exactly. And then we'll just kind of round it off next week, I guess.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: Beautiful.

We talk about stop making sense,

Sidey: Yes. Well it's definitely a, a strong talking heads connection. Yeah. We talked about, stop making sense. We're keep banging on about it. But this was a. Like an update, it's American Utopia, which is David Byrne. This time it's directed by Spike Lee. And I've heard a lot of good things about this, but I had never seen this one before.

Stop Making Censors, I've seen a lot. This one I had never seen. So I wanted to see what it was all about.

Cris: spiky.

Sidey: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And on the trailer, everything it's very clear that this is Spike Lee and you get a kind of flavor of it later in the performance what we see but it's this started out just as a tour touring show and then they came back and did it as a

Cris: Oh, right. Okay. Film

Sidey: it for for this film version that we watched some of us

Dan: some of us watched, some of us didn't get to watch this.

Cris: Did you not watch it at all?

Dan: No, I, no. I've watched parts of it, but I, I haven't seen that the whole thing through, but I am I'm going to, because I already like the, the look of what I've seen.

Sidey: Well, we'll talk about it and try and give you a flavor of what it's about. 'cause this one is, there's.

There's just it starts in a similar vein, I guess. So, it's just David Byrne at the start.

Cris: Start, But you can see it's a more modern approach,

Sidey: definitely more modern but it's the the the stage. So, it's not like built up as we go along. This one, it's got an almost kind of like chain curtain thing that raises and and moves and there's a kind of kinetic feel to it.

But it is just David Byrne at the start and he's there's a table, I think he sat at a table at first, and he sings a

Cris: starts with a brain

Sidey: He's got a brain in his hand, a model of a brain, and he points to different bits of it. Does he say anything first, or does he go straight into the song? I can't remember.

Cris: Does he

Sidey: is... Yeah, and it's... And then he

Cris: first, or does he go straight into the

Sidey: Yeah, and it's, this part does the blah de blah de... So he's singing the song, and so it's about... It's a lot more of a, I guess, a theatrical element to this one than just a band performing songs. Although that's not even what Stop Making Sense was.

But so he starts off with that and then the next bit two people join him and he starts to talk about what What connections people have and and stuff and and but they they're like on top of him almost and the lady. Well, I think one of them's got one arm and the other one's got his other arm and he's asking

Cris: asking at one point and he should I do this or should I do that?

And they're moving

Sidey: They're like, they're like, like a puppet. They're like sort of manipulating him and doing stuff and and he says and He ends up doing a line from once in a lifetime. How did I get here? And they do the hand movement from the video. It actually made me chuckle watching it.

And then he goes into another song. So the first, well, the first song is one, I think that they wrote for American Utopia. It's called Here. The second song they do is from Ray Momo, which is David Byrne's debut solo album. I know sometimes the man is wrong. And they they dance around and they do like to me, all the dance moves that the people were doing in it really just reminded me of once in a lifetime and him doing all his quirky kind of, you know, moving around that he's kind of known for.

So they do that but the clothing is very

Cris: it's monochrome

Sidey: monochromatic. It's similar to what I would say. Stop Making Sense is there, all wearing grey. Apart from in Stop Making Sense, Chris France, the drummer, he's wearing a,

Dan: this is because,

Sidey: think he just went rogue and wore

Dan: of the lighting and they can drop it very dark and

Sidey: right.

Dan: And hit the

Sidey: And they really, they manipulate the lighting in this a lot. Yeah.

Cris: It's very cool. And the way they put it for because I like the fact that the although it's it's it's in his utopia is that everyone is interacting and all this kind of stuff. You can still see he's the main man in in the way the lighting is and everything you can see when the lights come from above or when they come from below.

He's always in the center, even if he's not in the center of as in the front. Even if he's at the back of the group or whatever when he does the

Sidey: It's always him either talking or he's always lead vocals. Yeah. He actually only plays guitar. I think in one or two or three

Cris: Two? Two, yeah, a couple of

Sidey: songs. Yeah. Otherwise, it's just him doing vocals and explaining the kind of concept as we go through the different stuff.

And so we've had the brain thing and then they do the song. The next one is they do a talking head song from the first album. I think 77. It's called Don't worry about the government. Um and And then he starts talking about when a baby, as a baby gets older, the brain, it actually, the, will lose millions and millions of synapses and connections will go.

And it's like, do we get dumber or stupider as we get older? Or,

Cris: you now the baby's the smartest beings ever or,

Sidey: so he's kind of throwing these different concepts out there and that's kind of That's kind of what it, it's all about and he talks about different, there's a, there's a social, societal sort of commentary to this certainly as we get further on into it but at the start he's really just talking about human connections and what makes

Cris: Well, even that song that he's like, come over to, I can't remember the lyrics, but he's like, come over to my house.

My house is across the road. It's almost a very simple, I can't remember the name of the song. And yes, that maybe that's, and it's, it's a very simple, almost. I could write that because my English is not my first language. So it kind of felt almost like a too simple song for someone that good, but it's going through the journey of the movie.

It does make sense to have that as an intro.

Sidey: an intro. the way they do the the production on stage to make it interesting is that all the all the different musicians the cast of it they have it's completely wireless so there's no leads into guitars it's really clever the way they've done it and so the songs even the ones I didn't recognize every single song but I did recognize quite a lot of them there's a lot of talking heads a lot of David Byrne and Brian Eno stuff and there's there's one that he did he did an album with Sir Vincent called Love Love this giant really good album.

I do a song of that. I was really pleased to hear that but they the instruments and some of them they seem I don't know if they were created specifically for this point because some of them are really funky looking some of the percussion

Cris: Even the guy that had, he had a little, like a little drum on his chest. Yeah. And he, he had a normal

Sidey: he he had that guy like a real Afrobeat kind

Cris: He was, he, he was, there was a couple of them that had the, almost like a harness on top of their suits to hold whatever

Sidey: I don't know if you, if you watched it right through the credits or when they come off stage and they take that off the sweat mask because they're wearing a suit, they're wearing a

Dan: suit because there's no wires

Sidey: No, and it's, it's a big heavy harness that obviously has to be strong enough to, you know, that nothing fucks up during the production.

Cris: especially they have the guy that has almost, I dunno what you call a piano or a

Sidey: a synth or a

Cris: or whatever. And he, that thing shouldn't, doesn't have to, he can't move normally

Sidey: it would be on a f ing big

Cris: Yeah. It has to be on a, on a stand or something and he's got it. on him. Yeah.

Sidey: So they do that, and he talks about connections, and I know that he's also written a book, which really, like, we got quite nerdy in our mid weeker, but this book is about how you listen to music, and what happens when you even just...

detect the sound and how your brain processes it. So he's really into the science of it as well as just like making stuff sound cool. He likes to understand it all. So he's talking about that. Obviously, it starts off with the brain. So, he's he's like really dialing into that. But as it moves through it's sort of morphs and he's talking about different ideas and obviously he's thinking about this utopia.

So we'll get into some of the stuff that comes up later, but just to talk about the song. So we get another go at this must be the, well, he's just lazy. We forgot about that one because this is that I'm particularly like the song, but it was fun to hear it here. Oh, I'm something and I'm lazy.

Cris: yes, yeah, yeah, yeah

Sidey: which was Express two.

He did that. This must be the place. Melody again. It sounded great on this. I think that's one that he plays

Cris: I don't know all this. I don't know all the songs or the names of it.

So you'll have to excuse. I've

Sidey: That's one that's got a real like Afrobeat kind of thing. It's on Fear of Music album I think and then Slippery People from Speaking in Tongues again and then I should watch TV, which is the one from love this giant.

If you get a chance to listen to the album, it's really, really good. And then he does the thing about everybody's coming to my house which you mentioned, Chris. And what he says about that is that when he wrote it and when they perform it. him as the narrator it's like everyone's coming to my house and it's like I really want them don't really want them here you know just want to get on my own stuff but it's like what we did is we got a choir in Detroit in Detroit to perform the song and they didn't change any of the notes they didn't change any of the lyrics but when they sang it it's like yeah everybody's coming to my house it's like you know People's brains work in different ways and they're reading and interpreting the thing.

They're reading the same words, but they get a different interpretation. And so their brain has adapted in a different way

Cris: To what I

Sidey: I have. So even though we're reading the same source material, we're getting a different reaction. So everyone's different in this utopia and we should all be able to, you know, enjoy different takes on life and all that sort of stuff.

So it's pretty cool. It is once in a lifetime. And then he doesn't, the song I didn't Recognize, glass, concrete and Stone, which is from his seventh solo album that he, you know, he's got a lot of big body of work. So that's,

Dan: he's just such a creative, isn't he? He's always...

Sidey: he? looks so fucking cool as well.

He's still like, he's obviously likes very trim. He's still in the, almost could just be you just teleported this guy, you know, and he's wearing almost the same gray suit from the start of stop making sense. From it just the hair is gray now yeah,

Dan: and he seems quite generous in his art as well and the way that he presents and brings other people in to collaborate and he wants, I mean, I don't

Sidey: don't know what happened with the band. They don't see. I think I don't know that there's necessarily like a huge amount of bad blood. I think he's just like, well, that was the thing that we did and I'm done with it. I've moved on and I wanna do some other stuff but there's you know, at least half of the tracks in here are talking head songs.

He's still performing them, you know, And he does the crowd probably, you know, the strongest reaction is the Talking Heads songs, you know, because that's the one that I really recognize, but in this he does, he does actually chat and interact with some of the crowds here. They do things with the lighting.

So what he does is he starts to get on to talking about Democracy and voting and so they're actually partnered with a charity about getting people to vote and he says, you know, the recent, well, this was filmed. So, they're talking about that. I think it's the 2016. Elections

Cris: I don't know.

Sidey: is where we had the highest turnout in that for for a good long while, but still only 55%.

And then he says, Well, when you get into local elections, you're only getting something like 20% of people turn out. So that's when they start showing the crowd and they'll they'll just turn the the theater lights down. And I say the theater really did look it wasn't like Huge big place look like the opera house over here.

Cris: looked

Sidey: So, you know, if you had tickets for this, you know, they must have been really sought after, you know, and so they, they shine the light in there. So he starts to say about in this place, you know, if you want, if you want this kind of utopia, we've got to do better, you know, because if you're getting any 20% of people and they shine the light and you can see like visually very clearly, Okay.

Okay. But this amount of people and he says, and they kind of, they don't laugh, but well, one, he says that you get 20% of people and the average age of people who would vote at local elections, the ones that actually decide what happens to you day to day, 57,

Dan: Yeah. Aren't

Sidey: 57. So they're going to vote about stuff that they don't fucking want anything to change.

They want it to stay the same. It's good for them. And, and there's actually someone in the crowd in that. Lit up bit, who is 57, who puts their hands up and he is like, Hey. And so they have a laugh. He is like, but is it, you know, is it actually funny because these guys here are having a direct say in everything that the rest of you fucking wanna do.

You know, we,

Cris: is it actually funny because these guys here are having a direct say in everything that the rest of you fucking want to do?

You know, And then when they put the lights on it, it's

Sidey: he does it,

Cris: We're here

Sidey: He's able to, I think he's able to deliver that message clearly and well, but it's not preachy. It's not saying, listen, you

Dan: kind of a social commentary,

Cris: it. That is not political. It's

Sidey: bliss.

Cris: it does, but not with going to the vote, because I thought, well, you're telling me if, if anyone would tell you, Oh, I heard this guy told people to go to vote, you'd be like, Oh, right. Okay. But if you listen to the way he delivers

Sidey: Yeah,

Cris: it doesn't really sound, it doesn't sound like Oh mate, you should go to vote because, what, he says it in a, in a logical way.

Sidey: Yeah. It's just, we can all sit in the pub and mode and say, oh, look at Trump water fucking prick, and go out and vote. If you want it to change, the only way you can actually fucking do it is just go. So it is the same. We just need to make more. We just need to facilitate people. And at the end of the show, There's people there from the charity, they can register to vote there and then you're done, you're bang, you're ready to go, you know, you can do it.

So he's trying to make it, just make it easier for people to have their say and, and maybe we can, we can make everything a bit better. So that's, that's really the point of the whole performance, but you also get some absolute banging tunes along the way. So it goes through and there's some more, some really good ones.

Dan: saw a real light show in the, in the clips that I saw and he'd used this new technology on the,

Sidey: Yeah, it's

Dan: the suits

Sidey: know about it till I read

Dan: yeah,

Sidey: So I was thinking, man, they must have to really hit their mark to get right in the middle of it. And then you're like, Oh, they

Dan: Well, they, they, they had these kind of I dunno, like remotes pinned onto their suit, which meant that the light.

Cris: Wherever they move, it's okay.

Sidey: is following them. Yeah, I think it's the third track when they're, it's like, almost like a chess board, so

Cris: Yes. And it's from

Sidey: that's, and that's because they've got, because I kept thinking, wow, they must have had to rehearse this a million

Cris: thought so too. Yeah. And then

Sidey: they do hit their mark, but the light is

Cris: when they have, when they have the, the, the whole pretty much the whole band and everyone's out and he, after a while he dances and he ends up at the back. It's the same, the light kind of moves. He's the only one that gets the light on top of me. I was thinking that I must've done this.

Like you say, they must've done this so many times, but yeah. Okay. Fair enough. I didn't know

Sidey: must have done this so many times, but yeah, okay, fair enough, I didn't know that.

And then they do a Janelle Monáe song, you probably would have heard it it's called Hell You, it's, it's Hell You, and then T A L M B O U Talmbout, Talmbout, Hell You Talmbout, and it's the one where they're, they're showing images of this is the most like graphic thing. The rest of it is kind of dance and musicians.

This is they're flashing up pictures of of black people who've been killed by law enforcement or racial problem

Cris: Well, that's the whole song that general monet's

Sidey: say his name say their name and they're like making sure everyone knows knows them and knows what happened to them and this is the that's happening in society. You know and that's why.

We need to fucking make people aware and try and make a difference,

Dan: need to vote

Sidey: and so it's not just a throwaway concert with some nice songs is actually listen guys. This is fucking shit. You know, we don't, this isn't an American utopia at all. This is what's actually happening out in the streets and you know, it's not good enough.

But they do do it in a way of this. I mean, this is in your face. It's powerful. You know, it's like, you know, say his name and it's fucking Shannon. It's powerful, but it's performance. So

Dan: is it more powerful than that last bit in the abyss where he shows Ed Harris, the the not Ed Harris?

Sidey: it? He is Ed Harris, yeah,

Dan: He shows them all the, the bits that humanity's done wrong

Sidey: Yes, I'd say it's more powerful than that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's bigger than that down.

Dan: it, Remi, it just made me think of that for some reason.

Sidey: And then they do sort of bring it back. And we get some road to nowhere action. It was just, everyone fucking knows that one.

But they do that. It's it's very intimate. I mean, they're the stage to the to the crowd. Anyway, it's it's probably only it's like one row of seats removed. That's how close they are, but they just they get down and they do a loop. They do a loop and they're singing and people are joining in and they're like face face.

They're basically like high fiving him as he's going around, you know, so it's very like an intimate performance. And that's when you can actually see the stuff on their shoulders that's doing the the light stuff and What the fucking gear that they're wearing? I mean, it's full on they're fucking They come out back to the stage.

Actually I think that was the encore because they had that they'd gone off and that that was the encore. They they came back and did that one and then they go off and you see him backstage and they're all like super hyped because it's good performance, you know. And then I think he if he watched right through the credits, you get he Him leaving the state, leaving the sort of at the side door.

Cris: I didn't see, because I think I was not watching the end.

Yeah. I

Sidey: Okay, so it's him. There's people waiting to see if they can get a glimpse of members. They leave and he'd, he'd leave. But he is he's just on his pushbike, so it is, it's fucking snowing. I think it's New York. It's fucking cold.

He's got a big like jacket on a hat, well, his bicycle helmet and a scarf. And then it's him. He cycles off and there's cyclones and he's going down, but the rest of the crew join him and they cycle around and you've got the choir, the Detroit choir version of everyone's coming to my house playing and that's how it plays out with him going around and just scoping out New York and this utopia vision of his.

So that's how it plays out. Yeah.

Cris: really cool. Really cool. Yeah, for such a small stage, the way they've done it and with the, with the what do we call them, the chain curtains, but it's not like chain as in Blade, the movie, it's really, really cool done. And that metallic.

Sidey: Sometimes there's one bit where you've got all the band are outside of the chain but they're but they're instruments that are poking through and they're playing like through the chain.

Cris: through And they're going like through the chain

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. yeah, and Yeah, sometimes it almost looks a bit chaotic because there's so many people playing but it's obviously very well

Cris: see how well organized and orchestrated is. And I have to say, the two guys, the, the black lady and the guy with a lipstick,

Sidey: was amazing. Oh

Cris: my God. They're so good. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. They come on and they they're doing all these crazy dance moves and then you see this guy's face and he's he's like a ginger guy. He's got a big ginger tash and then like he's got full makeup on like red lippy.

He's super flamboyant. He's

Cris: But they're very cool, like, and they both sing and dance.

And they're not the thinnest or, you know, they're, to see, like, to say they're jacked or anything. They're, you know, just quite fairly

Sidey: kind of every man kind of look to them But they fucking

Cris: they, yeah, they've got the moves and, and the way they hold the poses and everything. Yeah, it was really cool.

I really enjoyed it. And again, it's one of them that I didn't recognize. Most of the songs really for me. Yeah. But I did enjoy it and, and I didn't watch the cr like through the

Sidey: he does one.

Cris: I just didn't know there's

Sidey: Yeah, it's just it's just a little bit of like going around the streets but he does a bit in the performance where he goes through the band and everyone that's performing and it's so like it's like global.

There's people from all around the world. If

Dan: he does that after what, song five or six in, in Stop Making

Sidey: Yeah. And then and actually in in stop making sense, it's probably, you know, half white, half black and and it's, you know, everyone's represented and and in this, it's, I don't know whether it's a conscious choice or they just pick the best musicians that they could find and it just happened to be but it just feel like they've tried to get people from all around the world because he's going through and he says where they're from and you've got people from Brazil, France, all over the place.

You know, it's like, yeah. Um so, it's very cool. The messages. It's, it's a strong message, but they don't, you know, hit, whack you over the head with it and make it like, like you've been preached to just make it like, you know, this is important.

Cris: it's also about the music because it would be

Sidey: if the music was shit, it would be, you'd be like, well, you probably wouldn't

Cris: all right mate, Jesus, give me a break. But it. All in all the ways

Dan: the whole package, the

Cris: I have to say, I think they've done really well with the way they directed it. Yeah, I, I, I mean, I, I'm, I am a fan of Spike Lee with, with most of his movies, but I think he's done well with this one because at the end of the day, it's a concert.

Sidey: yeah.

Cris: If you really think, oh, it kind of feels more like a

Sidey: this one's more theatrical.

Cris: Yeah, I was gonna say like a Broadway or like a musical, I guess

Sidey: where this is, this stage, this theater is, it

Cris: Right, it could be, yeah, but it's more like

Dan: I think it was on on broadway wasn't it it did

Cris: It does have a feel more of a, like a theatre than necessarily the concert, but still, really cool, yeah, really

Sidey: so you haven't seen it, but you should definitely, definitely check

Dan: definitely will.

Sidey: Yeah, and everyone else out there, if you've not seen it, it's definitely worth your time. I mean, it's an hour and a half and it whizzes by.

It's great, great music and good message.

Cris: The Fresh Prince.

Dan: This is one of those

Sidey: life

Dan: ones that

Sidey: This is one of those ones that I was sure we must have done it before, but we did. I think it's just cropped up quite a lot in various discussions, but we've never watched it.

Dan: And reviewed

Sidey: for the pod

Cris: Well, yeah, for a review,

Sidey: it's obviously, I would say this is a little bit older kids, but I was watching it when I was probably 11, 12.

That's kid age, right?

Dan: I was 13 probably

Cris: Yeah, I was very

Dan: first saw this

Cris: like you said, I was 5. So then, when we kind of got it, let's say I was 7 or something like that. So, I didn't remember much. I remember the characters. I remembered Uncle Phil and, you know, I didn't remember their names or whatever.

We've rediscovered that Will Smith is actually Will

Dan: Yeah, yeah, he played Will Smith,

Sidey: he played yeah, he played Will Smith or certainly a version of Will Smith. And then Jazzy Jeff, like he's playing himself as well.

Cris: Yeah. Yes,

Dan: he's this must have been one of the last ones, it's the,

Sidey: no, it was only halfway through.

Yeah. Cause they go to college and this one's this episode I picked because it does feature a musical performance. This is called six degrees of graduation. And I think that's a pun because it was in a film called six degrees of separation, the same year.

Cris: so yeah, this is,

Sidey: And so yeah, this is, I think they're supposed to be high school students, which is barely believable because they must be fucking late twenties.

I mean, Carlton's got a full

Cris: Carlton's got a full moustache. yeah,

Dan: Well his sister's got a, a full set of heels, yeah, ribs, yeah. Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah, well they make a comment about her boobs,

Dan: her spandex.

Sidey: Yeah, Alfonso Ribeiro is, is kind of, I always like saying his name. So the, yeah, the plot of this one is that it's, it's very soon going to be high school graduation. Will coming from Philadelphia. His family don't have a hugely successful academic background.

I think his mother didn't graduate. So they're very proud that Will is going to graduate, but it

Dan: on the cusp.

Sidey: that he hasn't been giving the music class.

Dan: he's music

Sidey: full attention. And so he's going to that. She said he's asked a question about now? It's it's about a specific, you know, you know,

Dan: Vi Vivaldi, Vivaldi. Vivaldi,

Sidey: And he just gets up and does this big long like super confident spiel, but it's just complete bollocks. And so the teacher's like, I've had enough. I'm going to have to fail you. You haven't even even turned up and when you do, you're not really interested. So, so he's got a conundrum because his mom has flown out from Philadelphia.

She's giving it the big one and buying him gifts and she's laying it on thick about how proud, you know, yeah, she's. He's got the camera on the go and Will's freaking out because he's gonna fail. So he strikes up a deal with what's her name? Mrs.

Dan: name? Mrs. The Mrs. Music teacher.

And yeah, she's she suddenly said, well, look, you can go on my advanced course, my accelerated course. If you want to do it, meet me here tomorrow at five. And he opens the door

Sidey: like the kindergarten after

Dan: a bit of a cheeky encounter with

Sidey: a girl that he's carrying on with. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan: And he realizes he's gonna be sat in, in the kinder, with the children, who all know more than him.

Sidey: Yeah. They're super into it. They, they, they know everything. She asks

Dan: still joking

Sidey: Basson, and she asks a question to the class of what's a p carto? I

Dan: Pizzicato

Sidey: All I can think of is there's. Yes, yes, that's it. There's a band called the Pitscarter Five who are really rad.

That's all I could think of. But he, he's basically there. The plan is, she's going to make him squirm with these, because he's obviously like the coolest kid at school, but he's going to have to suffer with

Cris: he's got a very strong jacket game

Sidey: he's turned his school blazer inside out. That's, that's the inside lining.

Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. It looks like a toast Master's jacket or something, doesn't it? It's got

Sidey: Yeah, it's like a Hugh Hefner smoking jacket kind of vibe to it. But he he has to make up something like ten hours of credit,

Cris: in four days.

Dan: days, it's like,

Sidey: Which doesn't actually seem that much, really. It really isn't.

It's like a couple hours a day, it's really not that big of a deal.

Dan: Yeah. He's

Sidey: mean, he's doing it in a day, right? It's not that big of a deal.

Dan: he's, he's making it sound like it's how, whatever Will I do it? You think well just go today and tomorrow, That'd be it.

Sidey: So he's not,

Cris: and tomorrow. What they show you

Sidey: what they show you is that he's not getting on with the kids, like he's trying to be hip and they just wanna fucking do their schoolwork.

And basically we just skip for one day. I think he does actually confess to his mom that he's fucked it and she's raging with him and. In the end to get the final marks that he needs. He has to do this performance, but we don't we just see it cut straight to backstage. He's dressed up like a sunflower.

All the kids are and they you know, they're cute little kids dressed up, but his will

Cris: he's a man,

Sidey: Will Smith.

Dan: kid in the school when he's dressed up like a

Sidey: he's just it's mega and so they get on the stage and all his classmates are about to graduate. They're watching. He's got judge Phil. He's filming it. Everyone's there watching and isn't it really funny?

And they do this performance and it's fairly biff. I can't exactly remember what the song is, but then they do an impromptu, like, they cut the lights and it goes all kind of strobe y and all rad. And they do a kind of, like, shit hip hop version of the song, where he gets the kids to shout out a line each while he, like, fucking takes the lead emceeing it.

It's, it's fairly excruciating to watch. And I think that that was all done behind the back of Mrs Bassett and she didn't know that was going to go down. this is not Wild Stallions doing the history report in

Dan: Scallion is

Sidey: is this is far removed from that. But he does as it turns out gets the gets the grades and he he has a kind of a little pep talk moment with the kids and they all like each other because they all they've bonded over this shared musical experience.

. So yeah, there he

Dan: gets the gal on the way out,

Sidey: Yeah, he does. Yeah. Small cliche fest.

Dan: The, the, the flowers and Yeah, that's that's pretty much it.

What happens after that? I think that closes out

Sidey: that's really it. I think this is like the season three season finale, so that, that's it.

When we flash forward to next season, I think then the, that's where the series moves into the pool house where the kids will and Carlton live in the, the, basically like the granny flat sort of thing.

Dan: Right, yeah, yeah, they're a bit

Sidey: but, but now they're at college. So we've got another three seasons.

It's like 24 episodes a season. I did enjoy it. As a kid and I,

Dan: I really liked it as a

Sidey: now I probably didn't really have any

Dan: Colton was like that meme now. He's just, you know, the dance and everything. And. A little bit like Saved by the Bell with this. It was just stuff that was always on, everybody watched.

Sidey: Just find that kind of canned laughter, performance

Dan: now looking back, it's

Cris: that it's strange with the jokes because... Half of them I don't understand,

Sidey: don't

Cris: and I know, I know English, because maybe, let's say, a few years ago, I wouldn't really know the words, so I didn't really know what that means put together, but now I do, and it's still not funny.

Dan: No. Most of the

Sidey: Cartman's a fucking square,

Dan: and possibly

Sidey: going bald, or you're a fucking

Cris: you're short,

Sidey: or they'll say to Hilary, you're a slut, you know, people like, they, basically the joke in this one when she says, Oh, everyone likes me because I'm pretty, Will says, no, it's because you've got big tits. I mean, he doesn't word it like that, but it's basically like that top shows your tits off.

And that, so that's where the humor is at in this. So it's, it's pretty base level.

Dan: they have, like, the, the title featured a film that he was in.

Some of the jokes are just quite topical, I think, and... And they just went over my head because

Sidey: I think, and

Dan: probably big news at the time in America, but... Nothing to do with

Sidey: just went over my head because they were we'd have seconds at home and me and Mr were just like, that's obviously must be a really specific gag, like to America. 'cause I didn't get it at all. No. And then Carlton's doing something and they've said, oh, just 'cause he's nervous about doing his valedictorian speech.

And they said, just picture someone that you respect or that you really like and that they're,

Dan: a laugh for the photograph that's

Sidey: And they're, and they're enjoying and, and applauding you on your speech. And he looks down, like you say, at this picture of someone I'm like, Don't know who the fuck that is.

Dan: idea.

Cris: like O. J. Simpson, but I don't know if it's him or not Well,

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: There was some canned laughter and I was like, I don't, I don't know what that is. But I also didn't laugh at some of the jokes. I did understand because it just weren't funny anymore. Really. You, you're not, you're particularly not a Will Smith fan and you

Cris: a Will Smith fan?

Dan: I'm not a fan

Cris: I mean, even before that, he's like a mental Scientologist.

Sidey: it. I mean, even before that, he's like a mental Scientologist. And, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and in this, he, he had someone sacked, didn't he? He had the first Aunt Vivian, or

Cris: What in Fresh Prince of

Sidey: yeah, yeah, he had, he got rid of her, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cris: I didn't know. I, I didn't know much about it. I really liked his performance in Ali. I thought that was great and, and a few other movies, but now that's it. If there's, if there's any movies he makes, I'm never watching it.

Sidey: So there you go, cancel culture

Cris: for

Dan: yeah. And I I wouldn't rush and watch more fresh prints. I did have a go at watching this a few years ago with a boy thought I might be, but much like this, it was the canned laughter, the dated jokes. They just don't hold up so much anymore, but it was a time and a place and it did really well and it launched his.

And it kind of made enough money for all the other characters just because it was a famous show and Everybody

Cris: it was it was, a global show. No, I

Sidey: Yeah. It smash it. I

Cris: Romania after communism, so it must have

Sidey: It's hugely popular. I mean, yeah, yeah. But it's probably leave it in the

Cris: that, it's funny that none of the other actors have become anywhere close to being

Sidey: being...

Cris: big as in like he became one of the highest earners at Hollywood.

Sidey: Yeah, I thought so Roberta, he had still quite a bit of success and I think he won Dancing with the Stars, like the strictly thing. And yeah, it's huge. So he, I think he's still a very, no, I think in the States he's a really popular entertainer still.

I don't think Hillary ever really went on to do anything. Tatiana Ali, who is the younger cousin, she tried to launch a music career, didn't really go anywhere as far as I remember.

Dan: been a few cameos over the years.

Sidey: There

Dan: the

Cris: Yeah, okay, fair enough, yeah. Sinatra all day, I know

Sidey: a Jazzy Jeff, he's obviously very successful DJ and all the rest of it. So, there's, but I think they were. Independently successful in spite of this anyway. But it's really this this was really Will Smith's vehicle and did very well for him.

Cris: I recommend,

Dan: but not anymore.

Sidey: No.

Cris: No.

Sidey: I think next week we can expect Riggs. Pete's away all week in Florida. He's been taken on an all expenses paid trip. Yes, he has.

Dan: hard, he

Sidey: yeah. I

Cris: He works hard. He deserves

Sidey: He's hardly works. Yeah. So he's doing that. I think he won't have watched

Dan: just him. I know, it's it's

Sidey: no, it's just him.

Cris: deserve that. I

Sidey: I know it's it's Because he sells tickets to attractions. One of the attractions providers taking him all expenses paid to visit the attractions and say, knows what they're all about. So basically on rollercoasters and stuff on his own for a week. Yeah. Well, I think there's a couple of other people on a similar work trip, but not, it's certainly not his family and no kids to worry about.

Yeah. So he's absolutely loving life. So he might join us, but probably just for lols and vibes like Bez in Happy Mondays. He won't be providing any actual content. So maybe us three and Riggs and we'll work out some sort of noms. Probably won't be as good as this week. How could they be?

Dan: How could they be? This was, it's a

Cris: seriously high bar. So

Dan: it it was a stellar

Sidey: Yeah, all that remains is to say, Sidey signing out.

Cris: Chris, how

Dan: gone.