Cowboys Vs Waiting Rooms & The Man Standing Next

Next Man Standing

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's film Review the podcast that is to intelligent discourses. Barbed wire is to a glory hole. This week we're saddling up for what might be our most schizophrenic episode, yet as Chris has somehow managed to combine two concepts with all the natural synergy of hemorrhoids. At a rodeo, we're tackling the top five cowboys slash waiting room scenes.

The inevitable result of giving Chris a microphone and assuming as a plan. Our main feature gallops us straight into womb in ho's political thriller. The Man Standing Next, a tense Korean drama about political assassination and power struggles. It's basically The Lion King. If Pride Rock was 1970, soul Scar was Director Kim.

And instead of plotting against Mufasa, out of jealousies wrestling with weather to assassinate an old revolutionary ally turned corrupt and brutal dictator we'll be revealing plot points to a movie that's been seen by fewer people than Dan's penis in the last decade. And our language is saltier than a cowboy's balls after a week long [00:01:00] cattle drive. So if you're still clinging to the notion that life has meaning this podcast probably isn't for you but for everyone else, let's round up this week's human cattle.

Starting with Dan. He's so old. He remembers when triggering with something you did with your finger and his capacity for giving of fuck dried up faster than a tumbleweed in the Sahara.

Dan: You know it.

Reegs: Next up, dazzling Chris. His film choices suggest he's either building a comprehensive guide to global criminal enterprises, or his idea of light entertainment is watching Fi foreigners die violently with subtitles mounting our in third place, the man who's been practicing his quick draw all week but keeps shooting before the other guys even reach for his holster.

It's sidey.

Sidey: Hello?

Reegs: And then there's me res.

Dan: You

always say you introduce yourself with such kind of as me res. Hello. There's probably more to say about you than, than anyone.

Reegs: Well, I think I've said it all, don't I? I've just said a load of just complete random [00:02:00] bullshit, haven't

Dan: Yeah. Well, you know, I just think that you, you sell yourself short in those moments

Sidey: I'm interested to see what he's gonna say at the end of the pod.

Because that's been a real mixed bag the last

Dan: It has been, isn't it? I mean, I think that's what most people hang on to.

I bet there's people that even just, that, even just skip to the end. Just they can hear.

that last

signing off

Sidey: and what Reese could do is tell us about his trip to the Multiplex.

'cause I know

Reegs: Oh yeah.

Dan: to the

Reegs: Yeah. I went to see a fantastic snore. No, I quite liked it. I thought it was the best of the recent Marvel Fair. And Vanessa Kirby's fit, isn't she? And

Cris: her.

Dan: Is she related to the Hoover? Yeah.

Sidey: She defeats the villain by just sort of waving her hands at it for a bit.

Reegs: Yeah, she, she does. Yeah, exactly that.

Sidey: goes,

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: I suppose Fit Girls can do that, can't they? They just say stop and you do.

Sidey: The best thing about that film is that Galactus is played by Fiche from the office.

Reegs: Yeah.

He was in the Green Knight as well. He was the, the bad guy in that.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: The, [00:03:00] the aesthetic is good, and Pedro Pascal, and, you know, they're all a great fit for the Marvel Universe.

It doesn't seem to tie in, in any meaningful way. Apart from the end. They went, oh, by the way, a guy who's, maybe Dr. Doom is here potentially, but it doesn't have to be. So,

Sidey: Yeah. And if you've seen the post credit spirit of Thunderbolts when Fantastic four appear in that, that doesn't in any way explain

Reegs: There's no explanation, no, literally nothing that connects those two things. But it's like a kind of standalone thing where it doesn't, you know, they just throw a load of bizarre shit from the whole, from the comics on the screen, and they don't assume that you've got a huge body of knowledge about Fantastic Four.

But it's just good enough anyway, because the world's really good and it's quite, you know, it's well written, it's funny. So, yeah. Okay.

Dan: Okay. Alright. I'll wait till it comes out on tv.

Reegs: Some good trailers though. Particularly the Paul Thomas Anderson One battle after another. That looks really good. Did

Dan: And didn't you say there was another film called, I swear?

Reegs: Mm,

yeah. That also looked decent as well. Yeah. About a guy who's suffering with Tourettes in the eighties So kind of a different [00:04:00] time in the UK for, for illness like, like that. It looks like a low budget

Dan: Okay. Right.

Sidey: you watch anything Dan?

Dan: I did, yeah. I watched. With the kids. So, I watched Forrest Gump with Nelly for the first time last night. Well, she'd never seen it. I know you roll your eyes over there, sidey, but for somebody who's never seen it before Nelly was absolutely tears

Sidey: How bad it

Dan: when Bubba Gum had got shot and died in Vietnam.

There was plenty of laughters as well, and it's a really decent family film still, it, it holds itself up. I mean, it, it has its moments where you think God, that's, you know, pg that's kind of, still quite tough. And then before that actually I'd watched with my son and he used to say this was rubbish and he couldn't get on with it.

Sidey: Because he's Right.

Dan: police academy. no. Police academy.

Sidey: [00:05:00] naked gun.

Reegs: All

Dan: Alright.

Reegs: what? The new one?

Dan: No, the, the old one. Frank Ren, number number one, or number two, the one that ends in the baseball. Number one. And he'd never, we'd started watching it before and he'd never got into it, but he was like me just like laughing all the way through it.

Even from the, you know, the early scenes where a woman comes up and he goes, no, no flowers. Thanks. And they're, they're not for him anyway white to the last scene where his cop partner says, oh, my father went the same way when he, he falls off. Yeah, he roll over steam train, marching band, all the rest of it.

So yeah, lo loads of laughs in that. And it was a, a great way to spend it, even with,

Sidey: Have you seen the eclipse of Les money? Would do like all the rounds on the chat shows or the, you know, the late night things in America, but they'd have like a little fart noise machine. Amazing. It's so childish, so good.

Dan: You can't go wrong with a fart machine. Yeah.

Sidey: Okay. Chris?

Cris: I've watched [00:06:00] only, I've watched a documentary about the biggest cocaine drug dealer in the history of the United Kingdom.

Reegs: What, like tallest.

Cris: No, the the Quantity of money. The biggest Is that, is that how you say it?

Reegs: You definitely would. Yeah. But I just wanted to imagine that he was like, you know,

Cris: was, he was quite short really. He was quite, he's like a, I wanted to insult you here and say he is a bit like you as tall as you, but he's probably shorter than

Reegs: you

actually. Shorter than

Cris: Yeah.

he looks tiny. I mean, obviously I didn't, I didn't stand next to him, but I did see him and he, his name is something, something Au and Jose, Jose au and he was he immigrated in the UK and he was a bus driver.

Yeah. And for the first four years of his criminal career in London, he was a bus driver in the day and a, I dunno, cartel leader in, in England in the, he said that at his peak he would turn over 7 million pounds in a week.[00:07:00]

Dan: It's a decent turnover that isn't it? I wonder what the overheads are. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of fares.

Cris: and he operated, I think from, he was, I think arrested in 2003 and he was the biggest operation in the history of the United Kingdom. So it's quite an interesting, it's a 2025 documentary to two part, like two episodes, 50 minutes each. So it is quite,

Dan: makes

you wonder why you just don't do like a month's work then go

Cris: Yeah. He's still in prison though. He's now, he's in

Sidey: prison. Oh, crime don't pay, is it? Yeah. In

Cris: In

In Bogota.

Reegs: That's a

Cris: And he, I think he's already been extradited in like as we speak today. I think he's already been exed to the US on for the same charges as

Sidey: drugs. Oh,

because the transfer window closed

Cris: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, he had to go before the trans window closes.

Sidey: No.

Reegs: Well,

they're tariffs imposed on him

Dan: You think they're gonna, they're gonna bring him in and then they're gonna say you can't stay here and then send him back again, aren't they?

Sidey: they? Yeah.

Were illegal aliens

Dan: just getting Yeah.

Cris: Well I think what [00:08:00] the, what I've read afterwards is that despite his convictions and this time he spent in prison they only recovered 1.2 million pounds in

Sidey: what they're gonna get him to say that there's no Epstein list, aren't they? And then I put him in a low, low security prison.

Yeah, that's,

Cris: that's pretty much what I watched. I didn't, I don't, I didn't have time for anything else, so I didn't watch anything else.

Sidey: Cool. I Mission Impossible,

Dan: Done. Done.

Sidey: final.

Reckoning.

Reegs: final. It's, it's not actually the final reckoning though, is it?

There's

Sidey: was at the time, but

Reegs: be another

Sidey: they feel like they might wanna do another

one.

Dan: Did it, does it start off with him getting married on a lake or is that

Sidey: well, yes, but so did the one before that, because this one starts off with, I'd say conservatively a billion callbacks to all the other films, literal flashbacks like super, like fucking high speed

Reegs: just taking you through the

Sidey: constant, constant throughout the film.

And even for a film that's, you know, like preposterous all the way

Dan: or even,

Sidey: Yeah. This takes it [00:09:00] to like, just absurd levels.

Reegs: sounds good.

Sidey: And massive. Like comparing himself to Christ. Quite a lot. He's even fucking resurrected in this one. You're

Reegs: Hey, Tom Cruise. Yeah.

Sidey: Wonderful. Yeah, it's good.

Fucking but bonkers. But you know, you know what you're gonna get.

Dan: you know, what you're gonna get.

Sidey: And it

Reegs: I don't think I've seen the last two

Sidey: I quite like, I quite like, the reckoning, the, the penultimate reckoning. Yeah. I felt like the ball, but this one's not best, but

Dan: it's gonna, he's gonna do the, the last film,

Reegs: the last reckoning

Dan: two.

Sidey: But, but what they do when they show you all the. Callbacks because they, they, they really linger on the, the first one. You know, he is hanging in the thing and, and he, when he escapes, he drops the knife and it lands point down. Right. Well, that guy is back in it and gives him back his knife.

But you see, you know how young he was then? And he doesn't look fucking ancient now, but I think he's 60.

So it doesn't look like he's fucking 25 or whatever

Dan: He's had a bit of work done, isn't he? I think

Sidey: dating Anna to Ahmass as well.

But that's [00:10:00] the latest

Dan: What the

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: the girl that was in Duran,

Sidey: she wasn't, she wasn't in Spider-Man.

That's how we're judging

Reegs: She wasn't in Spiderman. No, you're right. She wasn't.

Sidey: I also watched the Thursday murder club.

Reegs: Oh, you were banging on about this the other night as

Sidey: well. Yeah.

Dan: Okay. What

Cris: What is that? Is

Dan: was that? The

old it's done on a book. Richard

Reegs: Osmond,

Sidey: Richard Osmond wrote the novels and then this has been adapted. Not by him.

Dan: Helen Miran and Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Sidey: It's, it is got, so it got a real kicking in all the, all the writeups, like, oh, this is like some shit ITV two thing.

Yeah. That's why it's good. Okay. So I watched on Saturday when I was, I guess say, pretty hung over and it was perfect, like Saturday afternoon viewing. Not at all challenging. Quite, you know, good actors in it. Pi, Bosnan, Celia Emery, Helen Miran, other people, David Tenets in it again, that we saw this week.

Reegs: I heard they're pitching an old bond movie. Like Bond is an old and getting in Brosnan to play [00:11:00] him again. It's, you know, 'cause now they're gonna do all this weird stuff. Now every bond

Sidey: is now that Amazon own it. Yeah.

Reegs: they've lost its soul to an algorithm.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: But yeah, I know it's sort of, you go maybe Yeah,

Dan: I'm gonna watch it.

Reegs: They would drag you in with the nostalgia of Brosnan, wouldn't they?

Sidey: just drag me in with Bond anyway, but Yeah. Okay. Sound right. We're gonna talk about. Cowboys and or

Reegs: we had top fives last week, Hugh, and we did have a couple on Discord. Okay. And because one, I remember we should get 'em up, but one I remember very much in particular, 'cause I couldn't believe we hadn't thought of it, which Darren picked from the Simpsons.

Mr. Ja hug

Sidey: Hugh Ja.

Reegs: which mark

Yeah.

I couldn't believe I'd missed that. That was a good one. And there were some other Hughes, I

Sidey: Hugh Whisker the drummer from the house. Martins and Hugh Dcy who was in Ella Enchanted. Married. Married

Dan: Mines. Was

Sidey: Claire Danes.

Dan: Deborah? Allison. Phillip,[00:12:00]

Yeah.

I think it was.

Reegs: So there you go. Huge ass.

Sidey: Yeah, that's a good one. He's, but Darren's been strong with the nuns recently.

We do have a quiz. But we'll get to that after the top five, right? Because it's not related in any way to top five.

Reegs: Could

it really be?

Sidey: Because the top five is a smorgasbord, isn't it? Of of different

Dan: ideas. A blend.

Sidey: Let's get into it.

Cris: Well, in my defense, this wasn't,

Sidey: no

Cris: idea wasn't to be two separate topics. Yeah. The question

Sidey: one of them. Choose one of them.

Cris: Choose one of them. Tell me which one did we do or did we not do or choose one of them, this is what we are doing. And then

Reegs: I think you made that perfectly clear, but I chose to be like really annoying and just interpret, interpret it very literally.

And then just, yeah.

Cris: I mean, it's also funny,

Dan: you know, when two become one and I thought it was a, a nice way to just mix it up a little bit and suddenly we've got a a, a top five with completely random subjects.

Cris: Well unrelated really,

Dan: And a, [00:13:00] and a,

Reegs: and I've got one and a half cowboys in waiting rooms as well.

Nice. So,

Dan: so that's what it is.

Cris: with a cowboy, with a, I don't really know. He, he speaks like a cowboy. And I'll get into it.

Dan: So it's cowboys in waiting

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: If you want. Chris, why don't you set the, set the ball

Dan: the toes?

Cris: Well, the only person that I, that I could think of that it was a, he wears a cowboy hat.

He, he doesn't actually ride a horse to the, the, this waiting room. Yeah. Is he's in the movie, I think he's called Orson Wells in No Country for Old Men. Where with the Harrelson's character. When he goes to visit Josh Brolin in the hospital.

He's, he wears a cowboy hat because they're in Yeah. Texas

Reegs: Everybody wears a

Sidey: cowboy. They're in cowboy country.

Cris: Yeah, they're in cowboy countries. So obviously,

Reegs: well, Anton Chigger as well. There's a waiting room scene with Anton Chigger,

Cris: I dunno if there's a waiting room, but there's Orson Wells waits twice. Okay. Outside the cash money. The guy with the, the, the people [00:14:00] that lost the, the satchel with the money.

First time when he kind of says to them, oh, I counted the floors. There's one missing. And the guy's like, yeah, And there's also the scene when he's waiting outside the hospital room for, I can't remember, Josh Brolin's character's name, Lou Ellen something. And he's waiting outside the hospital to, to go in to see him and speak to him, basically to get the money.

Yeah. So this is, he's not, this is the only thing. He's not, he wears a cowboy hat.

to be

and the, and the boots as well. So it's, you know,

Reegs: I don't think anyone's gonna have much stronger than that, to

Dan: okay. Well I'm gonna. I'm gonna try and top it because I've got the Dallas Buyers Club and if you remember that movie.

Yeah. It's with Matthew McConaughey, and of course he, he plays a, a guy called Ron Woodruff. He's a Texas electrician and rodeo cowboy Yeah. Who's diagnosed with AIDS in, in the eighties. [00:15:00] He's given a month to live.

He's,

you know, just completely shunned by his hardcore macho friends who just think it's a, a disease for gay people at that point.

And then he must have been, you know, yeah.

Under with, with, with other men as, as something to have got that,

Reegs: it didn't help that he was like a deeply dislikable person as well, right.

Dan: Absolutely. Certainly. Yeah. At the beginning he was very much one of those macho men himself, and if it had been one of those guys, he'd have probably been drinking beer, swam backing and calling them all kinds of, you know, slurs and everything.

But as it turns out, he, he turns into quite a, a good bloke and, and tries to

Reegs: he starts importing loads of pharmaceuticals

Dan: Yeah. He goes, he goes to Mexico

Reegs: in like huge quantities of these drugs that will prolong his life

Dan: And through his hospital visits and waiting room visits and [00:16:00] things like that, he's, he crosses over lots of different people including Gerald Leto who plays I think he got an Oscar for

Sidey: I know. It's a disappointing, isn't it?

Dan: And

he, well he had a strong performance, at one point, he, he realizes you know, he's for ages. Talking Ma Matthew McConnell, who Ron, he's not had sex for ages, and he, a gal comes in and says, look, I want some of the And he realizes, no, she's just like him.

She's just like a straight person who got, who got AIDS through having sex with, with other people, and he's got aids. And they're just let's fuck. Let's

Fuck Like, you know, let's, let's, let's just, let's just do it.

Reegs: have Hot

Dan: We, we, we can't we can't, you know, we can't.

Sidey: There's a whole series out this year called Dying for Sex, wasn't it? It was about

Reegs: yeah,

Sidey: Michelle Williams' character who's got terminal cancer and she just wants to get her rocks off.

Reegs: Get fucked.

Yeah. It's a [00:17:00] bit like the bit at the beginning of Fight Club as well.

Dan: Yeah. That woman just gets up

Reegs: got lube. I've got GHB.

Dan: do it.

Let's do it. But there you go. That's my effort on that is

Reegs: Yeah, it's really strong.

Dan: and

Cris: I like that

Reegs: because everybody's coming out with their cowboys in waiting rooms straight away, so I'm gonna have to continue. Well, it's inner Space. Do you remember that

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: Dennis Quaid, Martin Short plays a kind of hypochondriac who threw a series

Dan: liked, really liked this

Reegs: I used to love it when I was a kid. I haven't seen it for ages.

I to wonder if it holds up. Yeah. Through a series of like misfortunes ends up getting injected with his ex-wife, his wait

Dan: he gets shrunk down and starts, he

Reegs: Dennis Qua gets shrunk down and accidentally injected into Martin short's ass basically. And then is in a tiny submarine. But the cowboy part of it is there's a sort of weird subplot with like some device and somebody's boss and they're barreling along, barreling along a motorway and there's a villain called The Cowboy.

And [00:18:00] Martin Short has to pretend to be

Dan: He, he does this big dance where he,

Sidey: he,

Dan: the lasso.

Yeah.

Reegs: I can't remember the

Dan: actor Cowboy.

Reegs: have time to do the research on

Dan: Plenty of shoulder.

Reegs: But yeah, this character, the Cowboy and Martin Short has to like, pretend to be him. And so because he's got this.

Tiny submarine inside him, Dennis Quaid can sort of transmogrify his face so he can become the cowboy, which he does in a doctor's waiting so there it is, becoming the

Dan: You've, you've managed a face. Who knew this was such rich territory?

Sidey: But do you remember this TV series?

The HBO series? Westworld? So theme park with

Dan: your Brenner kind

Sidey: Westworld and yeah. So it was a TV series based on that film, which was a book originally, wasn't it?

Reegs: Yes.

Sidey: Michael Creon.

Reegs: Creon. Yeah.

Sidey: Used to be in Red Dwarf. Yeah, so the TV series of it. And so you were a Joe public, you could pay to go to the theme park where you could live in a western sort of thing, and you could, there were just scenarios.

Reegs: you play out a

Dan: It was so cool [00:19:00] actually.

Sidey: they, so there'd be a, some guns slings there and you could shoot someone. And when they died, they were taken back into the waiting room and they would be in the waiting rooms where they were either repaired or, you

Dan: we would definitely do that.

If it existed. We'd be

Sidey: it was top whacking.

I remember for the series. It was, it was lumpy.

Dan: We would definitely go

Sidey: be king.

Dan: cowboy

Sidey: And you could even interact with the ladies of IR repute. In the saloon

Reegs: did they have

Dan: Well, I do declare

Reegs: parts? Anatomy?

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Could you see fan Newton in the Buff Amongst others? I think from memory.

Yeah. So, Westworld.

Dan: Nice.

Reegs: Nice. That is good.

Cris: nice. I don't have another cowboy in a waiting

Reegs: room. No, of course you don't.

Dan: No, I

Reegs: was amazing that we got four.

Cris: which again,

But I

do have a film for which the, we have a cowboy played by Daniel Craig.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Cowboys and aliens.

Cris: Yeah. Which is,

Sidey: is in a waiting room.

Cris: Is

he,

he

what? In cowboys and

Reegs: He's

not. Is he? [00:20:00] Is

Sidey: he wakes up in his doctor's office, restrained and confused.

Cris: Wow.

Dan: I think, I think actually, right? Yeah.

Cris: Yeah, I mean, I, I, I've, I've watched this film, but I can't really remember

Reegs: I thought he just wakes up in the desert with that thing attached to his arm. That's like the beginning of the movie, doesn't he?

He wakes up in the

Cris: desert. Yes. And he doesn't know how he got there, but then they, they take him to the city. Right.

Reegs: right. Oh, they probably knock him out and then he's in a waiting room. He's a cowboy. Oh my god. Side. He's got another one.

Sidey: one. Was that film any good?

I can't remember it that well. I saw the cinema. That's the only time I've ever seen

Cris: I mean, I dunno, it was, for me that was

Reegs: only Okay. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. I don't, and also it's kind of the same like Jason Statham playing a cowboy in that film with Jennifer Lopez. It's, it's like you're a Brit. What are you doing? You,

Reegs: a cowboy.

Cris: Tom Hard is the one that kind of did the western thing and kind of sounds Okay.

All these other guys, they just sound that just an English guy being a cowboy.

Reegs: is cultural appropriate appropriation.

Cris: No, it's just, I dunno, it's a bit outta [00:21:00] place. I would say Dan

Dan: well I'm, I'm struggling to, to make the, the waiting room cowboy connection. Yeah. Go, go much longer. I was thinking. Dego unchained. And maybe you can you can

Sidey: drop, you could drop the d

Dan: of a

Cris: DI think the D is silent,

Dan: of a not the way I say it though.

Sidey: swallow, just swallow that d

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Dego.

And there may have been a waiting room in one of those big southern houses that he's, he's brought into because you have Mr. Fox obviously on his mission to free his wife.

And

Sidey: Brim Hilda,

Dan: brilliant kind of scene with,

with

all kinds of actors. I, I, I think the one that stays in, you've, you've obviously got DiCaprio who plays this hard southern kind of landowner really well, but, it's the guy who plays the Uncle Tom type figure,

Cris: someone of Jackson.

Sidey: Samuel

Dan: Jackson, who, [00:22:00] who really is just so, kind of cringe worthy.

You just hate him. You just absolutely just despise this guy because he's

Reegs: he says the N word like a million

Dan: he does. And he just, there's not, there's no redeeming features about him whatsoever. 'cause the only guy that he's loyal to is a, is a huge asshole himself.

Sidey: sort of traitor to his own people, isn't he?

Dan: traded to everybody.

You just think, oh, he is just such a, a slime ball. Plenty of, plenty of, as plenty of cowboys. In this you've got.

Cowboy hats, spurs and all the

Cris: horses and shit.

Dan: horses and stuff.

Reegs: Lot of

Dan: I don't think there's any waiting rooms. I've only seen this once, so when it first came out it might be something that I'll

Sidey: Yeah, we

Dan: redo again.

You've got the eight?

Cris: Yeah, the hateful eight. I was gonna say that's probably more

Sidey: I was gonna say that, that that you could, you could

Cris: you could consider that a waiting[00:23:00]

Sidey: sort of waiting

Dan: ha

Cris: the haberdashery is, is, is a,

Reegs: They go there to exclude, to wait. Yeah. Yeah. Really? They wait out the storm? Yeah. Don't they? So, yeah.

Cris: And, and yeah.

Dan: Okay

Sidey: guys,

Dan: it's a rich, rich theme. This I never knew.

Sidey: I've got a couple more.

Reegs: Have you,

Cris: go

Reegs: you really

Sidey: Yeah.

Go

Cris: on.

Reegs: Okay. I really don't. But I have got, when you put waiting rooms in the chat or waiting room scenes, I immediately thought of Beetlejuice.

Yeah. It was, and the scene, I mean, the, the afterlife has been depicted as a sort of weird bureaucracy like many times across lots of different movies. It, it's a wonderful life. It was in that but in this one, it's Tim Burton's imagination bringing it to life. So all of this, the in the dis in the, in the waiting room of purgatory if you like which has an eternally long queue.

The people in there are still sort, they're, they're. Dying from what they died from or they're still exhibiting [00:24:00] it. So there's like a whole lorry load or busload of crashed American football students all beaten up from the crash. And there's a guy who's got like a shark attached to his leg 'cause he was eaten by a shark.

A guy who's got a chicken bone sticking out of his neck, A guy who's been set on fire. And the sa in half magician's assistant. And right at the end, most notably when the film is kind of over, he's in there beetle juicy. He's waiting to see, they're waiting to get into heaven, basically in chat to the person in charge.

And it's got the ticket. He looks at his, he unfolds his ticket. He takes a ticket from the bureau, you know, from the, the counter. And he opens it up and it's like 10 billion or whatever. And he looks at the counter and it's three. And he sees some guy sits down on this bench. The guy's got a tiny

Sidey: Yeah,

Reegs: teeny tiny head.

And then the next guy sitting, the other side of him is a voodoo. Like guy and as he's, he sort of distracts him and swaps the paper with him. 'cause he sees he's got number four on his counter he gets sprinkled the little dust on his head [00:25:00] shrinks him down. that was the best waiting room scene

Dan: Yeah,

I do remember that one. Yeah,

Reegs: The

big, the guy was a big game hunter. I dunno if that counts as a sort of cowboy.

Sidey: No,

they're gone. What about. Red Dead Redemption two, the video game. Okay. There's a scene, there's a cut scene where Arthur sits in a doctor's waiting room, coughing and sweating. I hear

Reegs: game. He does get ill. Yeah.

Sidey: The 9, 9 5 Jim Jamus film, dead Man, Johnny Depp plays William Blake, an accountant Turned Gun Slinger and there is a scene in a train station

Reegs: Oh,

Sidey: Sort of a bit of a stretch. That one.

Reegs: No. I dunno. A train station waiting room. That's good. Waiting time. Yeah,

Cris: you can, yeah, you wait. You definitely wait a long time in there.

Sidey: We all remember the Florence and the Machine B side waiting room, don't we? Yeah. That was a good one. [00:26:00] Korn, all big fans of that featuring the game waiting room.

Arcade Fire, we used to wait. I really like that song. It's from the album, the suburbs, but he's Oh,

Reegs: Oh, that's a good

Sidey: He's. Bit rapy, like young girls. They sort of canceled sort of, no doubt. Have a song called Waiting Room for Gazy, have a song called Waiting Room, popular song title, it seems. But let's also think about the movie Up in the Air.

I really like that one. That's a Clooney movie and he spends quite a lot of time waiting at airports. So there's kind of waiting.

Reegs: Yeah, a lot of waiting. He

Cris: Yeah. It's I've got,

Sidey: could segue into,

Cris: into what I've got because I've got Tom Hanks waiting

Dan: Ah,

Cris: because I love Tom Hanks.

We all love, we all love Tom

Sidey: Hanks. Thanks. He's amazing. Yeah.

Cris: And in the terminal, he's basically trapped. He's coming from. I can't remember the name of the No, no. It's a, it's

Sidey: West War.

Cris: It's, it's a, yeah, some,

Reegs: but the real story I think is, yeah. Anyway, but yeah,

Cris: I think the real story is a guy from Iran that slept [00:27:00] Indigo Airport for 28 days or something like that.

true. It's a true story. And he

Sidey: wanna loser just

Cris: lose, and, and, and he, well, no, because he, he got pardoned. No, he got, he finally applied for asylum and he got in, and then after three weeks, he just went back to the airport and stayed there because he was too familiar with the airport. He didn't really like the outside world of Paris.

Reegs: became institutionalized

Cris: and he just, I think he died there or something like that. So anyway, Tom Hanks didn't die in this film, but he,

Sidey: sadly,

Cris: he, and also fun fact in this film, he, he's waiting a lot of, basically waiting forever in, in this airport. And fun fact, he, because his wife is from Bulgaria, he speaks Bulgaria in this movie.

So the, the language of

Shalah, wherever he's from, he's, that's

He's Bulgarian,

Reegs: I wonder what his accent is. Like, I wonder if it's convincing

Dan: I'm sure you've, you've got planes, trains, automobiles, plenty of waiting around in those kind of movies as

Reegs: Oh man, there's a really [00:28:00] sad moment. Planes, trains and automobile at the Dee Mall at the end.

Dan: like a train came through here then, wasn't it? It

Cris: plane, train and automobile all in one?

Reegs: It, it, right at the end, it's when he leaves him, goes off to his family, he leaves him in the waiting room of the car rental thing.

And that's when he goes back afterwards when he realizes that he doesn't have family. That's where he goes back to find him

Dan: and he brings him back to his house. It's in the

Sidey: right in the fields there.

Reegs: in the fields there.

Dan: there's Hitachi dog story.

Sidey: Oh, the dog that waits.

Dan: dog that waits. So we went see this in Tokyo, and if we all do our Casio trip to Tokyo next year is promised then we can go and see this and stand in a queue for a million years to get your photo next to him in Tokyo.

And yeah, it's the story of Richard Gere's dog. And how dog, he,

he,

loyally waited for him every day at the train station [00:29:00] even after he died.

Sidey: Sad times.

Dan: Sad times.

Sad times.

Sidey: I don't think my dog would do that.

Dan: I he'd sit there biting everybody

Sidey: no,

I'm just gonna norm next, I think.

Reegs: Are you?

Sidey: Yeah. I

Dan: it's got to that, stage.

Unless Res has got another 10 or 20

Reegs: don't, no, I don't really

Cris: I haven't got any waiting room. But I do have a list of Australian Cowboys. Australian Cowboy films, the tracker, the Proposition mad Dog Morgan through Story of Irish Outlaw, Daniel Morgan Ned Kelly, the Nightingale Sweet Country, the chant of Jimmy Blacksmith and a film of which is all in Australia.

It's called Australia.

What

Sidey: What about Crocodile Dundee?

Cris: Well, no, I've got the Kangaroo Kid.

Sidey: Ah

Cris: and I have got another one, which is called The Rover. So all these are Australian, about Australia, Western cowboys and stuff. And then I have my nom, how about that?

Sidey: That's good.

Cris: Thank you.

Sidey: Should I numb? No,

Reegs: Go [00:30:00] for it.

Sidey: Right. Sorry to be horribly predictable, but I'm going for the Red Room from Twin Peaks

as my favorite waiting room.

I dunno what they're waiting for exactly. But it's Cooper's dream for the first time we see it. And he is visited or he's finds himself in this red room with the backward speaking

Reegs: per little, little, I dunno what you're supposed to say

Sidey: I dunno what the non-offensive should be. I'm gonna call him Midget. Dwarf.

Reegs: I don't think so. I don't know

Sidey: and he sort of, I think at the end of the episode in the credits, he's just dancing around in reverse and friend of mind, you know, you hadn't seen shit like this really before.

And then Laura Palmer, I'm, it's not Laura Palmer, but don't I look exactly like her and all this sort of shit. And he wakes up from this dream, Adam says, I know who killed her. But he doesn't. He just has to decode the dream, which is what the rest of the series kind of does. Super fucking weird and really, really fucking cool as well.

So yeah, the red room.

Reegs: nice. My norm. I'm going for a waiting room scene from [00:31:00] Finding Nemo the dentist office scene, if you remember, they get separated and eventually Nemo ends up in a, in Sydney, in a, a dentist's waiting room.

And he fakes his own death. He's about to be thrown in the bin and his father arrives with, on an albatross, goes in, there's all this kerfuffle, and then it cuts to the waiting room outside, and the little boy's like listening to all this screaming and drilling and like, oh my God, that's what's gonna happen to be next.

So that is how I feel about the dentist and Finding you go.

Dan: There's a new waiting for you, Trinity. It's a 1972 spaghetti Western. And it's the, the sequel to a popular Clint, the Stranger. George Martin was the name, not the guy from the Beatles that was in it. And he tracks down a badie who tried to turn good but then is forced into his violent ways to protect his family.

Reegs: I've not seen it. No.

Dan: got all the, the, it is not one that you would go back to too many [00:32:00] times, but I remember seeing this years and years ago, just as one of those crazy kind of,

Sidey: they're great, the spaghetti

Dan: yeah, really kind of mad. It was around seventies, this 1972. I was, I was well into my fifties then, but it, it was good times.

Cris: I've got a waiting scene in we've watched a movie for the pod, the Beast of No Nation. Yeah. And general goes to see dadada, I think, which is

Reegs: Oh, and he just leaves him

Cris: he just leaves and they just wait there for hours and hours and hours.

And he goes, he goes with all the, like his kids mates, army, whatever. And he's, there's the, the guy with a suitcase going in, he

Reegs: he's really putting his

Cris: and he just kind of sits there and waits and waits and waits and, and that's, I thought, quite a nice, I like the film. Yeah. And it's a, it's a.

Proper waiting room because he just sits there while and then they, they get shown in and there's food and everything else, but they, they're made to wait.

So that as a waiting room scene.

Sidey: Nice.[00:33:00]

Reegs: So you've got a quiz then?

Sidey: I have, but the quiz is actually about career. So maybe we should do the quiz after the film. Alright. How do you wanna, how do you wanna play it? We could do the quiz now, but doesn't, I

Dan: it could be a good warmup. I mean,

Sidey: well

let's play some music and then we'll do,

Dan: let's do that.

Sidey: Right. Got a quiz for you. Yeah. It's called Career or Career. Ah,

Yeah.

Reegs: as in like your

Sidey: your job, or a country.

Reegs: Okay.

Dan: Career.

Sidey: It doesn't actually differentiate between North or South Korea. Just to,

Dan: Right

Sidey: there. So I am going to give you a description of film culminating in the name of that film, but you can buzz in at any time.

And the answer is gonna be career. If the film is features largely subject matter about career or career, if it's largely centered around someone's career,

Reegs: have you got any trick ones where it's like both or something like

Sidey: I would say that the answer to the first one could potentially, no, not

Dan: I have a warm up [00:34:00] one just so we we get into the, the groove and I can give my buzzer away.

Sidey: Okay.

Reegs: What is your buzzer this

Dan: one.

Reegs: Alright,

Sidey: What's yours, Chris? la la.

Re

Reegs: woo.

Sidey: Okay. Right. This one made the whole world check their basement for secret staircases. I can't remember

Dan: Korea.

Sidey: Yes, correct. The film is parasite,

Reegs: of course. All right. Okay. Right. Okay.

Sidey: Okay.

Right. You ready?

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: a couple of slackers in New Jersey spend their whole day moaning about work. One of them is not even supposed to be there today. Woohoo. Riggs,

Reegs: It's career

Sidey: And the film

Hunting. No, it's clerks.

Reegs: It was, of course it was.

Yeah.

Sidey: do hammer fights, dumplings, and a very, very questionable twist ending.

Reegs: woo woo

[00:35:00] career.

Sidey: Yeah. And the film,

Reegs: is, its Well, oh boy. Was it?

Sidey: Yeah.

Sally Field gets a standing ovation holding a sign in the factory. It's pure union drama.

Reegs: Well, it's,

Dan: it's career. Career. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah, but what's the film though?

Sidey: The

film is called Norma Ray. I don't think you're gonna get that. Right about boots. Easy one for you. Zombies on the KTX train.

Reegs: That's train to bean. That's career correct

Sidey: Come on Chris, you need to get in this.

Cris: I don't understand any of these questions.

Dan: Let's just, let's just, let's give, let's give it. Is your buzz working? Can you just

Reegs: your buzz again? Try

Dan: Try your

Cris: la, la, la, la.

Dan: Oh, it's working. Yeah.

Sidey: Well, it's only 50 50 anyway, and they sound the same, so, you know.

Cris: yeah, that's why I'm confused because every time you've said career, career, it sounds exactly the same.

So how do you even know which, oh yes, you're correct. What do you mean you're correct? It sounds exactly the same, say the same word,

Sidey: Hollywood satire, where a studio execs career.[00:36:00]

Dan: be, be, be,

I've forgot my own, but my own buzzer has gone on the blink. I think it's

Sidey: in, oh, I'll carry on. Then involves backstabbing and maybe even a little murder.

Dan: It's career.

Sidey: And the film is,

Dan: is it the player?

Sidey: It's the player. Well done.

Cris: Oh my God. So what was that career or,

Dan: yeah. It was

Sidey: Career with a C, right. Career with a

Cris: Yeah. We clearly got it right. Whatever he would say.

Sidey: Reverse qu, reverse chronology. Masterpiece Charting one man's life against the backdrop of a, a country's history. Woo.

Dan: Chris is in here.

Cris: Korea.

Sidey: Well

done. It was peppermint Candy was film. one?

Yeah.

Cris: Clear. I I could've told you the movie as well.

Sidey: Melanie Griffith,

Reegs: Woo woo.

Cris: What?

Reegs: It's Korea and it's Working. Girls.

Sidey: only got, only got a few more. So like enjoy it last. A, a pawn shop [00:37:00] owner goes full Liam Neeson when a little girl is kidnapped.

Ultraviolet, ultra Korean

Cris: LA la Korea.

Sidey: Well done. It was the man from nowhere. A love story about singers, booze, and the highs and lows of stardom.

Reegs: Is it Jeff Bridges?

Sidey: No.

Dan: No, no, it's,

it's, it's Korea and I would say it's showgirl.

Sidey: No. Pick your version. Gaga, Streisand or Garland.

Dan: Ah the, A Star is born,

Sidey: A

giant

mutant pig Evil

Reegs: woo.

Sidey: Woo.

Reegs: That's Korea because it's the one that, what was it called? We did it

Dan: I would say it was Korea.

Reegs: Co we did it for the pod and it's really

Dan: yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: And I'm nearly there. What is it though?

Sidey: Ajar

Reegs: OC

Dan: jar. Oc jar in it's career more?

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Last

Cris: that thing.

Reegs: It's our

Dan: massive

Sidey: Last one. Albert Brooks sweating buckets. Holly Hunter running the newsroom and William hurt looking handsome on

Dan: Did he

Cris: It was exactly [00:38:00] the same time.

Dan: Newsroom

Sidey: Yeah, it was broadcast news.

Dan: Broadcast news career.

Sidey: I think that was a rip roaring success. Very professionally done. You

Dan: make a career out that.

Sidey: No,

 The man.

Standing

Next.

Cris: Yes.

That is the Man Standing next. Yes.

Sidey: The Korean title.

Reegs: Yeah, go for it.

Sidey: Sorry,

I can't do it.

Reegs: Sorry. I do it. Oh, go on. Give it a try.

Dan: Go on. It's not,

Sidey: on. It's not, it's written in Korean. I don't have it

Reegs: give it a try anyway.

Sidey: No, because to sound really racist.

Cris: Yeah, that's

Dan: it.

Won't do go, I think is, if you genuinely give it a go, I think people

Sidey: I'm not gonna

Reegs: it hasn't got it phonetically there, so you can't,

Cris: you can't just make something up because it's not gonna sound like anything.

Reegs: or would be racist

Cris: Yeah. The man standing

next,

Sidey: This started off without subtitles me, which made it a real challenge. So, to go back

Dan: Yeah. I had to do the same. Yeah. I, I had to reverse it about three times before I got the subtitles and realized we were seeing, it was one of those moves that. Starts [00:39:00] halfway through or

Sidey: well, right near the

Reegs: Wow. It starts with a bit of text actually.

Dan: Alright, go ahead. Take it from the top.

Wait.

Reegs: It

just says the film depicts the 40 days leading up to the president's assassination on October 26th, 1979.

That's what it tells you. Straight up front

Dan: only, only if you got the subtitles on from the beginning.

Cris: In English though.

Reegs: It is in English. And the president they're referring to is President Park Chung. He of South Korea.

Sidey: Mm.

Reegs: And you're right, Dan, it does start after that, near the end of the film.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: I was like, like completely ignorant about the history of South Korea, I have to

Reegs: So was I

Sidey: so all this was was new information to me.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. It was like watching a documentary to me. I mean, basically I am taking my South Korean history from this film because I came in at zero.

Reegs: They drop us in on that night, October 26th, 1979 at the Presidential Safe House with,

Sidey: How safe is it Riggs though? Really?

Reegs: not very safe.

Cris: safe. Well, it's called the Blue House, right?

Reegs: The blue house. It's Lee [00:40:00] Hun who you might recognize as the front man in Squid Game if you've watched any of that. He's kci a director Kim. And he pretty quickly pulls out a gun and says like, oh, you know, we're gonna knock off the president tonight. So I was like, whoa. Okay. And then he, you know, he's got his two accomplices there.

They nod in agreement and walk off and then he walks back and there's a gunshot, which serves as a kind of like we go back in time from that moment, I guess, to see how we lead up

Dan: closed, the gunshot happens, and then we go back to.

A

time where?

Cris: well, 40 days before.

Reegs: 40 days before. 'cause that's what we're gonna see, the 40 days that lead up to the assassination.

And we're gonna see this guy directed Kim, how he came to that decision.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: and you realize that

he is the, the KCIA, the secret service of

Sidey: lazy naming that, isn't it just taking CI and dragging a keye in

front of it.

Reegs: basically we get a little bit of that right after [00:41:00] that scene.

Cris: Yeah, they do tell you how, yeah.

Reegs: you get a bit of historical context. They tell you about the coup guitar, which I had no idea had occurred in 1961, A revolution, a military dictatorship was installed.

Cris: Well, to overthrow another one.

Reegs: To overthrow another one. Yeah, exactly. In, in Korea. And the KCIA was established at that time. That is the Korean Central Intelligence Agency for all wants and purposes. And President Park

and director Kim was his sort of right hand man. They were at the center of over that revolution, that

Sidey: right.

Cris: And, and that's I think where the, where, I think that's where the show, the first time, that picture of him, both of them in uniform.

And that's Director Kim standing next to the president,

Reegs: which the man standing

Cris: with leads, the title kind of thing.

Reegs: Yeah. So then after that I think we moved to Washington DC Yeah. Park di,

Sidey: Park. Young g

he's gone full Gangnam style.

Yeah.[00:42:00]

In his, his

Cris: he loves that kind of style suit though.

He is always in that thing. He's

Reegs: He's got a full like beige

Sidey: oop now go

Reegs: seventies look going on big glasses, lots of gold.

Sidey: He's testifying in front of Congress.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: About the other park.

Reegs: He's sort of claiming to speak on behalf of his country and he's talking about human rights violations and you know, the lack of justice in the country and that sort of thing.

And

Cris: he wants the country free. And also we get introduced just by seeing her with Deborah

Shim.

yeah, I was gonna say

Reegs: I was gonna say she's a diplomat. Yeah.

Cris: Or lobbyist. Diplomat. Yeah.

Reegs: So yeah, he's been out there the former.

director of the

Cris: Chaos.

Reegs: you know, talking about President Park saying he needs to be brought down to a congressional hearing in the us And then the action cuts back to Seoul where the president is having a shave and he's getting updated, briefed on the situation.

They've sort of said, oh, you know, we tried to prevent him, but he got out, [00:43:00] he's got assistance from the Americans and other interested parties and he's got a memoir

Cris: That he's gonna

Reegs: he's gonna publish and it's gonna be embarrassing and it's gonna contain all sorts of, you know,

Cris: secrets. Yeah.

Reegs: And he says, oh, what should be done about this trader sort of thing.

And you can see already that President Parker has got two, he's not director Kim, who's been there all his life a long time, will find out. But also this other guy, this security chief officer. Quack. Quack. Yeah.

Sidey: quack, quack.

Reegs: He's like a much more sort of psychotic

Sidey: Yeah. Not even like any sort of attempt to play a call. He's just like going over right away, isn't he? Yeah. He's a shout every, every time he speaks, he'd be yelling at someone, the, the president, everything.

Reegs: And so he, you know, he's immediately like, kill him, kill him. And he says, I'll take care of it quietly. He says in the end, enter Kim. And then he gets rid of quack and then Kim stays.

And they have this moment where he says, he privately asks him to say, do you think I should step down? And he takes a fucking age to answer, [00:44:00] doesn't he? And then he, he says he'll stay by his side, but it's clear he is already conflicted and tormented.

Dan: Well, he also.

Understands. I think if, if it was certainly a little bit later on the film, if he doesn't already understand by then, and this is 40 days out and he's been a close friend of his, he's fought in the Army with him previously. He's, they, they've gone through a lot of shit together. He's, he doesn't ever wanna say kill somebody.

He's like, you have my full support. And then he, and then he will twist those words afterwards depending on what has

Reegs: Yeah. whether

he agreed with it or didn't agree with it,

Dan: or EE Exactly. So it makes it really difficult for him to give a right answer because it would definitely be wrong.

Yeah. Afterwards.

Reegs: yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: And then he kind of goes and tells him, he is like, look, Mr. President, I'm gonna go and speak to

Reegs: Park.

Cris: To park. Yeah. And I'm gonna go to America. He is like, it needs to be sorted, and you've got 24 hours.

Reegs: And so he does head [00:45:00] off back to the us. He goes to parks, hotel, parks, waiting for him with a gun. And they have a

Dan: but they're friends as well. I mean, it, it, it seems that he is Kim is friends with, he's, he's trying to balance everything together. He is trying to do the best for the nation. He, he really believes he's

Sidey: well, I think at the outset it was

Reegs: a revolutionary, wasn't

Sidey: At the outset of the revolution.

They would've all have been in it.

Reegs: Yeah, they were

Sidey: And they, they've set up this from, from day one

Dan: Ab. So he didn't just want to gun him down there where he had the opportunity in the hotel room? No. He wants to go back to Korea. He, he absolutely loves his country. Kim and Park, you know, they, they both want to go back and he says, look, just we can, we can chill this out.

Although, I'm thinking at the time, there's no way, like, you've just stood up in front of Congress,

Sidey: You've,

Reegs: I

Dan: know, there's no way you're chilling this out. But I dunno, the cultural

Reegs: he tried to though. He,

Dan: how he

Reegs: he offers him money, doesn't he?

Dan: That sort of thing. Well, there's a lot of money. They've been involved and they've both kind of admit they're, [00:46:00] they've been bad guys in the past.

They haven't played it straight. They've done, they've made a lot of mistakes, but, you know, there's a line to be drawn and they can see the the park, the, the president. Has gone off the fucking rails. Like he, he,

Reegs: he's let into his inner cadre a sort of like a much more hard line element in that security chief.

Dan: He, he, although, and you look at the history of it as I've done since the, the economics of South Korea was like in a golden period under, under that presidency, but labor rights had just disappeared. So basically it was, you know, it was forced labor almost. Yeah. It was, it people were getting rich and, and big companies were making money and he was an anti-communist as well.

City Americans were happy because he threw men into Vietnam and all, all the rest of it in support of him, but he was kind of lauding it up. And

he was a dictator.

but you [00:47:00] know, for the American kind of side. Rather than, but with.

Obviously brutal kind of side to him as well.

We really didn't care about his, his people because as we go through the film where you realize a few times he says, what's a few million

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: run, run him down and, and all the rest of it. But that's his mindset. Yeah,

Reegs: I think. Yeah,

exactly. He's

Dan: and Park and Kim are kind of not that mindset and they're going, what the fuck can we do to get out of this?

This guy's in power, how are we gonna work our way around

Reegs: So Kim gives park an ultimatum. He says, come back and meet me at the Lincoln Memorial tomorrow.

Bring the

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: And

Cris: And he does, and they have a walk and they

Reegs: they have a great a little exchange here in front of the Lincoln Monument where Park starts to sow the, the idea to Kim that maybe the other park needs to go

Cris: Well, it's also the, the idea of Yago. [00:48:00] Yeah.

He mentions Yago and he is like, do you know what it is? Yeah. You know, do you know what it is? Do you know what the connotation is? And it's also president Park is funneling money through another organization into an account in

Sidey: Switzerland,

Reegs: a slush fund that

Cris: So, so he is not, this is not all just for the good of the people. He's just funneling money. He's

Sidey: he's feathering his own net.

Reegs: other problems though. 'cause there's a yago also, there's a third man that he doesn't know about on his, in his inner circle as well, which, you know, we we'll know is quack as well

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: his basically Director Kim's position of trust is also being undermined. So, and there's that little great quote where they're standing in front of the Lincoln Monument and they talk about what a hero is, and then he says, oh, but he was killed and they just sort of leave it on that. It's cool.

Dan: Yeah, that was an interesting one, wasn't it? He goes, look, he was a hero. Yeah. He was shot. And you're like, fuck you. They just get that sinking feeling, don't

Reegs: well, he says to him, why did you risk your life for the revolution? And he don't, he can't answer him.

Sidey: Mm-hmm.

Reegs: So he goes [00:49:00] back, he has given him the manuscript and he gives it back to

Cris: president.

Park.

And then he reads it and he is really angry and How's you, this happened, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But

Reegs: and then he asks him about Iago, doesn't it? And the president, I wasn't sure. It's always difficult with subtitles, you, you'd lose some meaning here. So I wasn't sure whether the president knew about Iago and was bluffing or didn't know

Cris: or didn't know, and just thought you want some wine or cocktail or whatever.

Reegs: Iago is the, the, the Americans

Cris: code name. Yeah. For, for the

Reegs: the

the man on the inside.

Cris: and I think the next,

Reegs: well, this is where he goes. He orders a sweep of his office, doesn't he? And they account there's loads of bugs in there, so they definitely know that they've got a problem.

Cris: Yeah. He's like, and then he is like, oh, you saw this with the Americans, how dare they?

And that's where guac goes. Like, oh, we should bomb the American Embassy. You're like, mate, I don't

Reegs: Kim talks him down. Yeah. But you can see they're going on an increasingly extreme sort of train of thought. And then Kim goes off to meet Adler, the senator, the [00:50:00] American.

Cris: Well, the am the ambassador.

No. Yeah. I think that's the ambassador. And the ambassador goes, look, and I think that's the first time even the ambassador is, is a bit like he's on his way out. Mm.

Reegs: Mm-hmm.

Cris: You need to remember this. What's the next step? Who's gonna

Reegs: he's going, who's going? Well, it's the obviously significant pressure being applied to get rid of him and put something else

in

Dan: It was, it was interesting to me this part because you often think ambassadors are there as just that, you know, they're, they're there as people, as

Sidey: rep, like a holiday rep.

Dan: you know that we'll go there and they'll go to these nice functions and they're just there to, to be a little bit of a point of contact and to

Sidey: bit

Dan: promote, promote their country's thing.

Soft power. But actually you realize he's He, he's more than pulling

Reegs: major geopolitical moves now. He,

Dan: he's yanking big chords that are having these major moves and, and gonna say, look, this guy's on his way [00:51:00] out. You need to position

Reegs: get your house in order.

Dan: And

I mean, as we learn a little bit later on as, as we go through, he, he actually doesn't really have, you know, you think of the power and the, the single-mindedness Park has to, to do what he does, the president park, because he's, he's come through this this revolution with his friends.

He's, he's risked his life to, against the North Koreans and, and all kinds of different wars to get to where he is now. He's, he's leading his country through democracy, through connecting with Japan and connecting with America to, to get economic things going on and making sure that there's power within career and they're respected and there's that nationalist.

But then to keep that power and to keep on, on, you know, the decisions he has to make and he's prepared to make. [00:52:00] I think not all of them were,

Reegs: he, like Kim, actually likens career to the Americans as like a moody teenager essentially. That's what he says, just woken power.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: but they're young, young and irresponsible with all

Dan: they, they, well, this is it. And you think of a young, moody teenager. Well, they, they know everything, don't they? You know, they're very much sure of what they are doing. They're very selfish and single-minded. And that's exactly how Park comes across with some of his decision making that he's just got his blinkers on.

But he is not wrong.

Reegs: So after the meeting with Adler heads back and there's a, a surreal moment where they're stopped in the street by tanks and you see like how increasingly militarized career is becoming not much like what's happening in the us And then you see some like classic spy stuff with like little tapes and recorded stuff and yago leaking stuff [00:53:00] to the Americans.

And you don't actually see who it is, do you? But it's the pr it's some professor who's doing translations does the recordings, and then they're taken from a safe and released to the Americans sorts of

Cris: a newspaper.

And then obviously all the. Points that the p sees or has

Reegs: And the manuscript is leaked.

Yeah,

Cris: the manuscript is like, but also from the president's point of view, it could only mean one person because Director Kim had the manuscript.

And he's like, how did that happen? How he's the only person.

And also from the other park's point of view, the defector, he's thinking, is he trying to double cross me?

Reegs: Yeah, exactly.

Cris: that's what where the, the, the spy game kind of plays at really. Yeah. And then we have the function at the palace where, or the, the American embassy where Deborah comes with all the, with her American pal, which they're all fat, funny enough.

I dunno why. It just looks like they're all really, really fat. And that's where we have Director Kim kind of. Sitting in the background smoking a [00:54:00] ciggy, and she tells him It's time for you to make a decision. Now he needs to go, I know the Americans, what they're thinking. He needs to go. You need to make a decision now.

Look at the people in the room. These are the most powerful people in this country. You need to make a decision.

Reegs: She tells him he should be dragged out of there for his own good is what Kim to do yeah, there's a whole bunch. We can probably skip over it, but there's the wire tapping the discovery of it, Kim getting in on the wire, tapping it all builds up to all of the themes that we've talked about of it.

You know, the inner circle getting

Cris: He climbs through the window to listen to the conversation that, to a dinner where he is not

Reegs: he is not invited. He's not invited. And then he, he sneaks in and he's in the wall listening to the director. It's great.

Sidey: It, it makes it sort of bump against the wall, doesn't he? Oh. 'cause the guy, the park's just singing is singing some sort of national sort of, you know, and he, you know, makes a mistake of banging against the wall and it stops and he, oh fuck, I'm gonna get rid.

It's like tense, you think? Yeah. Someone's gonna just open the thing behind him and put him outta there. No.

Reegs: [00:55:00] And it's, there's pro-democracy riots that have broken out and basically the responses, like you were saying before, just to be brutal

Sidey: just tank them.

Reegs: quack, the sort of insane chief security guys like, oh, one or 2 million, what does it hurt?

And this, at this point now with all of the political pressure from the Americans, from his friends, like Park and from shim and all that stuff, it's all building up and his role, seeing his friend like, go this way, it's all building up, building up Park gets fucking off horribly.

Cris: which is a competition between him and the quack

Sidey: who can get to him first.

Reegs: he gets to him first. Yeah. And, but where he sort of, it's one of those moments again where he sort of is ambiguous about what should be done with Park so that he can, later president,

Sidey: I felt so bad for him because he gets abducted to be killed and he escapes one. Yeah.

Reegs: It straight into

Sidey: walks into a village and just some guy just finds him and just executes him on the spot.

Reegs: Yeah. And then they take him to a fucking hammer mill and grind him

Sidey: that's your buddy in the wood chipper. There

Reegs: Yeah.[00:56:00]

Sidey: it goes, full Fargo on it. It

Reegs: gets put into a chicken feed, so pretty horrible. So yeah, every, you can see that it's increasingly brutal and it is all set up to come back to where we were at the beginning.

Right. We can get back to that point.

Cris: then we get to the dinner.

Reegs: Now we understand, at least we've seen on this 40 days that all the

Sidey: but Kim was right.

Reegs: Kim wa Well,

Cris: well, it's almost like how he come basically exactly like we thought

Sidey: Yeah. How, where's this

Cris: about and why is he going to do this

Reegs: And it seems entirely justified at this point because Park is gone, you know, on a plot of, becoming more insular

Cris: we, which I, I can kind of think of this from because I've seen dictators before and we've seen movies about dictators before. The idea is always that these people are so deluded and they're teenagers because nobody tells them differently and no one has the, the courage to say anything differently.

Whereas in a couple of meetings director Kim actually tells him, yeah, reinstate the governor. This is not an island. This is Busan and some other city, which are big cities in, in Korea. [00:57:00] You can't just quiet these people. You remember what we did?

Reegs: Yeah. He's, but he's the only voice of

Cris: and, and, and, and as soon as he says something.

Guac and

Sidey: guacs voice is louder. He just

Cris: he just shouts. He's like,

Sidey: this guy's got no balls.

Cris: how can you say balls are shrinking? And then we get to the dinner scene where

Reegs: it's just before that. I think the thing that makes him decide it is he gets, there's a damn. Opening and there's a ribbon cutting ceremony. And he's not allowed in the helicopter is he is just, that's he's been completely excluded at that point. So then when he is invited afterwards to the dinner scene, he is, he can make his final sort of plea to his boss.

And they're all sitting down, aren't they? They're

Cris: they're having dinner.

Sidey: They've

Reegs: had dinner, they've had the dinner. The girls come in, it is all sort of, it's reasonably well tempered, that sort of thing. And then he pours a fucking massive glass of, was it, it was either whiskey or rice, wine whiskey. Huge one for everybody in the room.

And then he downs

his, he

Sidey: he stands up to drink it.

Cris: Is the Chivas, the royal salute?

Sidey: 'cause

it's,

Cris: what the whiskey is, is a [00:58:00] 21-year-old shivers royal

Sidey: It's like that lo you know, low table. So they're sat there, you know, cross-legged and he stands up to drink it. And then he starts and done

Dan: dumb my knees in that he

Reegs: he

Sidey: He needs and needs a bit of Dutch courage.

Reegs: Yeah. And then he does his final confrontation. It's really the kind of like you will start, it's basically you will stand down or you're going to, or I'm gonna kill you.

Dan: And this guy is definitely not standing down. So he takes a bullet guac,

Reegs: He shoots quack in the shoulder, doesn't it? With the arm?

Dan: he doesn't finish him off the gun doesn't,

Sidey: yeah. He has one. 'cause the gun just jams. And he, yeah,

Reegs: This was a great, 'cause it was all done in like two, one takes like really long one Takes this bit. So

Sidey: yeah. His, his crew take out all the security and the chefs downstairs. Yeah. And then he's just showering.

I need a gun. I need a gun. I need a gun. And someone gives him a gun and he goes up and imagines to finish off work. Yeah. And then he just looks at the president. There was another guy and I thought he, he was hiding under the table or something. I didn't see him ever get off.

Reegs: chief of staff. He [00:59:00] had to be there to witness that it had happened apparently.

So they could be legitimized. 'cause they, he checked to make sure the chief of staff was

Sidey: going, because he shot him like the other side of the heart here, but there's blood just pumping out. Yeah. And he says, I'm okay. I am with something like that. And he says, no, you, you've gotta go. And he just, the fucking head is in the shot as he, as he executes him.

It's fucking

Dan: yeah.

Reegs: And then we get another long take as he walks down out after having killed him, following all the way

Dan: slips on

Sidey: it falls like almost immediately.

Reegs: blood. Yeah. And eventually goes out to the car.

Dan: You, you see at the moment. Then for all the bad things that he's been involved in with the KCIA that he's not really a field operative. He's more of a guy that was pulling strings and when it's come to the enormity of what he's done, the whole country now is gonna, you know, is gonna change.

Everything's gonna change. Instead of being that assertive leader, he's,

Sidey: well, he doesn't really know where to go. They say, where do you wanna go?

Reegs: doesn't know. And he doesn't,

Dan: And just in, instead

Sidey: Army base

Dan: instead of

Cris: [01:00:00] initially he was

Reegs: he says the KCI headquarters or the Army base, and he takes a fucking age to answer.

And eventually I

Cris: you see the car turning slowly

Sidey: He's

Reegs: because it is his underling who would've done whatever he wanted. And I think in that moment he did have the, the opportunity to be like, well, I could take over. But he doesn't, he hands himself in into the Army base. And then we get a little bit of text, I think at the end.

Don't we? We listen to him.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: We get, we get, we get his tape of his the

Cris: the last known recording. There's a few pictures of him. And the, the fact that he was,

Sidey: says, I'm not asking for leniency, I'm just asking for a fair trial.

You know, I did what I did.

Reegs: And then I believe he was hung.

Sidey: he was hanged. Yeah.

Dan: And then it went into another military dictatorship. But then you think about recent years after that, they hosted the 88 summer Olympics, Korea, South Korea, and the 2002 World Cup.

Reegs: and look at their contribution to like world culture, I guess over the last few years. Just with stuff [01:01:00] like Squid Game, but also with K-Pop becoming as massive

Sidey: dam hunters

Dan: all, all that they've done.

This film, I think makes you think more of the influence of communism and democracy and the power struggle outside of the, the obvious lines that you see like that. And obviously America has a massive influence and interest in the fact that they would love them to be a democracy and not just follow north career into a communist state that is very close.

So having them, you know, a stable democracy and giving them all the

Reegs: opportunities, making sure their capitalists.

Dan: all that. So you had the, then the miracle on the Han River, which was the economic kind of spike that happened after. These events and everything, which meant that it turned into a, a [01:02:00] much more developed country and you've got, you know, child mortality down, life expectancy up and all those kind of things that happen when,

Reegs: countries are successful

Dan: countries are more successful and has happened because, you know, there's, you know, you, I dunno, it helped me anyway, just understand because I

Reegs: well, I just didn't know much about this at all.

Sidey: all. No, but

Cris: yeah, I, me either

Dan: you think, wow, you know, they're right, they're right out.

They're right out there. And, you know, why did they get the Olympics? Why did they get the the World Cup? It would make sense politically that they have these kind of huge events that make them. More part of the Western society and

go there and they are democracy. Yeah.

Reegs: for a good long period

Dan: Well, we say a good long period. It's

Sidey: not that long.

It's

within

Dan: our lifetime, you know, I mean, it,

Sidey: I mean, see this, this period that we are always near, you know, it's a police state. It's, you know, it's ruled over by a dictator. It's you step outta line, you'd be killed

Dan: when you're as old as I am. That's [01:03:00] like a, you know,

Cris: a drop in the ocean.

Dan: drop. But I really like this. I thought it was, and I watched this straight after watching our midweek this week.

So, it was a complete contrast to that. The, and

Sidey: and it's still like fairly, like, it's not, it's not comedy,

you

Dan: No, it's no

Sidey: still fairly bleak. It's, but it's, it's tense and and it's sort of exciting and, you know, you know where the film's heading 'cause they show you at the start.

And you just wanna see how they're gonna get there. Exactly. You get there and, and how tense it is and, and all the power plays that are going on. It's really good.

Dan: as a political, kind of a political thriller spike. You know, it's almost like not true. But then when you blend it in with this is based around real facts. blended in with people that actually lived and events that actually

Sidey: happened.

But he did do this. He did. Yeah. He

Dan: Then yeah, exactly. You know, you think that's, that's a Hollywood script, isn't it?

Reegs: Oh, and one other thing as well. Right. And [01:04:00] Chris, you were talking about this a couple of weeks ago, and we've lamented this on the pod before, but Right. They had loads of, this film was shot at night and you could see everything that was going on.

It was beautifully lit for night scenes. What the fuck is it with American tv that they can't light stuff at night?

You didn't have to watch your like room with a fucking, you know,

Cris: everything

Reegs: with a black

Cris: closed. Yeah.

Sidey: Behind

Reegs: you sucking all the light out of everything just so you can see what's happening

Dan: You could tell it was night, even though you could see clear as day.

Yeah.

Reegs: And it didn't look artificial. Exactly. So, fuck you. American lighting people, not just Americans, Brits as well, but

Dan: especially the Americans. Yeah, really enjoyed this. I would, I mean, South Korea have definitely got their own style and a, a fantastic approach.

We've seen some great films for the pod on

Reegs: I did think though, right, you would've liked this film even if it wasn't based on a true story because you'd, this is all the sort of shit that you like, but for me, I'd have been fucking bored, senseless [01:05:00] if it wasn't based on a true story.

Dan: Right? Well, the fact that it was, it was just added extra to me.

But even if it wasn't, it was such a fantastical story that it had all that political thriller to it and throwing. Really enjoyed

Sidey: Did you take it, Chris?

Cris: Yeah, I did like it. I, I've never watched it before. I never even heard of it, but I, I do kind of go sometimes when I'm not really sure what I wanna watch or when I'm not really in the mood and I'll just, because with Amazon Prime or when Netflix and that you can add to your list and then even if I don't watch it, I'll be, oh, I wanna watch this.

And sometimes I'll put something that I can watch with Karara. I wouldn't watch this with Karara. She, I mean, I had it on the other night and she was a bit like, oh, I'm gonna get on my laptop because there's no point in watching this. Especially because most of it is in Korean. Is, is is no, no is, it's difficult to, to watch it.

And she wouldn't, she doesn't enjoy

Sidey: Yeah, you've gotta, you've gotta. Subtitles. So you've gotta

Reegs: it's not a second screener,

Sidey: You can't glance away 'cause you miss

Cris: Yeah, exactly. That's not, and, and, and that's the [01:06:00] thing. I I, I had it on the thing and on on my add to my list or whatever. I had it on my list and I was like, oh, do you know what this is?

And most of the times I try to, if it's a movie that it's a bit more that I know is not a comedy or something that easy watching, I'll have a look to see. And based on a true story, I was like, all right, this should be interesting. And there's been quite a few Korean films that we watched recently that have been really good.

And I like the, the way the actors act because I don't know their culture that much. So even with the Shouty guy, we've seen a few of these films where there, there's a couple of that are quite shouty and I think that's just part of the. It's just part of the way they are. Yeah. Or some people in that culture.

That's, that's how they are. I wouldn't know much about it. I did enjoy it though. And, and again, the fact that it's a true story, it does remind me, obviously of communist Romania, because we had communism as well and we shot our dictator as well by firing squad rather than assassination. But we still killed him.

Reegs: result.

Cris: And it's kind of the same thing. What, what I could draw a [01:07:00] parallel is because the argument is always that he was still betrayed by his inner circle at some point. But, but the problem, the problem we had and what, let's say this guy was his inner circle. He assassinated it and him and he turned himself in.

The people that assassinated Shaku

ran

the country afterwards and sold the country bit by bit to compare it to, to South Korea. So, and also what Korea gave us, let's not forget the automobile industry because you were saying about K-Pop and everything else, the automobile industry is very strong

Reegs: And TV's,

Sidey: you know, Alice is very strong. Strong.

Cris: Yeah. So anyway. Strong recommend

Reegs: for career.

Sidey: the recommend, the recommended is strong. Yeah.

Reegs: Who's next then? Is it

Dan: Who's next?

Reegs: You,

Sidey: It's me or someone else. It might be me.

Dan: I

Reegs: have you got, you sometimes Have yours planned? Have you got 'em planned?

Dan: I'd imagine he does. 'cause

Sidey: I've got ideas planned.

Dan: ideas. He's

Cris: can, turns into ideas,

Reegs: Top five ideas,

Sidey: we ever done? Oh,

Dan: top five ideas?

Sidey: Have we ever [01:08:00] done top five? I was thinking when we did cats, we must've done top five cats.

Reegs: think we did, yeah.

Sidey: Okay.

Dan: I wonder if anybody else has

Reegs: top five actors who weren't in Spider-Man.

Sidey: 'Cause I was thinking of nominating copycat.

Reegs: right.

Dan: Mm. Robin Williams thing. Is it?

Sidey: No, it's SIG Weaver. Serial killer. years.

So let's go with copycat and then the other stuff.

Dan: Okay. I wonder as well, just for future weeks, if somebody else out there wants to do a, a random

Sidey: factor. Like a tractor. Mm-hmm. I'm sure they do

Dan: throw them out to us.

Reegs: us. Mm-hmm.

Sidey: We tend to do that though, when we're gonna be on holiday, like when we go to Japan.

Dan: Yeah. Well, there you go.

That's

Sidey: well let us, who

Dan: who knows how long this, this will take to, to, you know, filter through to the masses?

Yeah. I know there's a lot of people that will fast forward to this bit just so they can hear

Sidey: Yeah. You know what time it is, you know what time it is.

Dan: well go on[01:09:00]

Sidey: All that remains is to say, sidey signing out.

Cris: A lot of it that I,

Dan: Dan's gone.

Reegs: Hope you had fun. Res is done.