Midweek Mention... The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare

Ministry Of Ungentlemanly Warfare

Dan: That's what I was thinking. Yeah.

Reegs: It's not an easy angle of approach actually,

Dan: Pete, how much am I down for in your will?

Reegs: the

Sidey: about 30% of the absolute. Fuck all that. I've got 30%. Much

Dan: more than what

Reegs: what you

got already.

what

Dan: what I've got.

Sidey: La la la,

la la what were we talking about first?

Pete: tits?

Reegs: Just a 20 minutes on tits.

Dan: What about

Pete: last time we just spoke about tits?

Dan: I dunno, I'd prefer to

talk about rim 4K.

Pete: rim. I do like a rim.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: We are recording.

Dan: I'd hope so,

well

Sidey: I I'm not saying that we need to

Pete: for the, for the, well, for the

Dan: this gold.

Sidey: just to confirm

Pete: like rimming.

Sidey: Yeah. I wasn't, I wasn't saying we need to censor it. I'm just saying we are recording. So we can do an episode and we, it'll be captured

because we've

Dan: all this quality stuff. Yeah, we have, I remember, I remember talking for at length on a

Sidey: length

Dan: and and girth and then having it not [00:01:00] being recorded.

Oh,

Pete: Oh,

that,

yeah, that's happened Good. And it's never as good the second time round, is it?

Sidey: No, it's Tyson, I'm just, say again.

Dan: Yeah. That freshness.

Sidey: else That was Tyson in my view.

Is stranger Things.

Reegs: Yeah.

Pete: I've never watched a single

Dan: that's, I've not, they're watching it indoors now.

Sidey: Right? Well brace themselves for

Dan: the end of

season

Sidey: I actually didn't hate the entire last season, but the final episode after, after tripe.

Dan: Is that, is that a pandemic of last episode shape? Because game of Thrones had that, didn't they?

Pete: Well, game, game of Thrones was on the decline

Sidey: anyway. It had a similar thing of like lots of plot strands that. We just forgotten about. It, it very clearly was a one season thing when it was, when it was created. And they, because it was such a hit, they've had to like bolt things onto it and add things on.

Pete: on. So, so would you recommend Jo watching the first season or do you think that would be difficult because

Sidey: like it? 'cause it's got lots of young kids in it. Oh, sweet. Yeah. First season it's really good. The

Reegs: when I re [00:02:00] what I remember of it,

Sidey: and it's, and it's all about all these references to stuff.

A, you know, all these thing and they kind of go away from that.

Pete: guess what you're saying is all the stuff that probably had a, an actual journey, like beginning and, and were always planned. Like a Sopranos or a Breaking Bad or something, which was probab They were probably always

Reegs: No, Vince, Vince Gilligan was making that his shit up as he went along.

Dan: And just better

Sidey: creative. They have, so in this, well there's, there's baddies, but out of the out the goodies, there's only one who has powers. That manifests itself by her hand holding her hand up and pulling her face. And there's only so many times you can see it on the screen, like

Reegs: having a nosebleed, like and putting her hand up.

Pete: I did the only connection I have with Stranger Things is I was in Florida, universal Florida during the. Halloween Goins and they have like scare rooms and stuff and there was a stranger Things one. And then like all the, the, some of the, like the creatures and stuff are like funy [00:03:00] virus, funy things.

And aren't they? Is have I got the wrong program? They look

Sidey: sounds more like the last of us.

Reegs: Yeah.

Pete: Oh, in fact, it was the last of us then. So no, I don't have a Stranger Things connection whatsoever.

Dan: the Stranger Things watch,

Sidey: They do. I'm not gonna get it

Dan: to go out with their,

Sidey: not strong enough. Back

Dan: to the future, he wasn't strong enough.

I'm wondering if Chris might have had a point. Second Seasons just aren't as good and why do them?

Sidey: I think if it's conceived to be, you know, multiples.

Reegs: Whether the Sopranos just like was brilliant consistently and biking. Season

Pete: two is better than Viking Season one.

Dan: I, I do like a limited series.

Sidey: I'm

struggling to finish things off. I haven't finished and or second

Pete: Oh, really Good.

Sidey: I know. Yeah.

Pete: Yeah. I, I, and I'm, I was happy. It's it, like, it all sort of tied up in a bow and stuff like that. I was

Sidey: quite, I'm enjoying it.

Pete: you know,

Sidey: Bother.

Pete: thing is, you know, obviously

Sidey: what Yeah, the end game

Pete: happens next because it's, it's all in

Dan: is,

Reegs: I tell you, I watched Ricky Jes.

Thing. You've

Dan: Oh,

Reegs: that brutality. Yeah. It's fucking

Dan: Globe winner,

Reegs: [00:04:00] He is. That was fucking dreadful.

Sidey: I was having to work from home and my mom was round and she put it on and I said, please turn that off.

Reegs: That it is so unfunny and like he's so sm

and

Sidey: Oh, I saw a few snippets of it. This is, I

Pete: I find he's always been snugging,

Sidey: Yeah. I think,

Pete: I think he's actually,

Sidey: I think he's always been a terrible standup. Yeah. I think some of his sitcom stuff was good. Is now shit. This, the bits I've seen, it looks

Reegs: Oh, it's really bad, man. Honestly, it's like painfully unfunny and

Sidey: The clips just like, what are you on about?

Reegs: yeah,

Sidey: Just the way he talks about just the things that he is picking on.

Reegs: Just sort of like a awkward uncle at a party.

Like, oh God, don't say that shit. Like

Pete: just being contrary and, and controversial. And so it's basically my old man, which is fucking

Reegs: and just picking, picking on people with

Pete: Yeah, like my old

Reegs: or like, yeah. Yeah. Anyway,

Pete: Yeah. I have been watching a series I really like and I need to re-watch the first season again.

SAS Rogue

Sidey: Rogue

Heroes.

Pete: Yeah. The second season of that, I think there's only six [00:05:00] episodes per season. It's really good. It's, it's an, it's a overly, it's very much like the the film that we reviewed, which I can't remember, but it, it's

Dan: gentlemanly warfare.

Pete: Yeah.

That one. Yeah.

Dan: I watched, I, I watched the, the first series as well. I didn't even realize there was a second

Pete: series. Second second series is out. They've commissioned a third series. It's more of the same.

Sidey: Which film did we watch? Huh? Which film did we watch?

Pete: The, the un Gentlemanly Warfare. It's got our boy Caval Caval in it. We

Sidey: Have we reviewed that? Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. Was I not here?

Pete: Yeah. We, I might have even been in on that, or I listened to it.

Sidey: because I was gonna talk about it tonight, but now we don't have to.

Dan: I dunno. That we have, have we,

Pete: I, I remember we? I,

Reegs: the ministry of un gentlemanly warfare? I

Pete: very SIS Rogue here is a very similar vibe to that. It's just them being like, it's an overly dramatized version Of what?

Of real

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah.

Pete: And there's loads of just fucking crazy

Sidey: people.

Dan: Well the first series is basically how they were formed [00:06:00] and it was done because they had these lunatics where they were the only ones that were gonna go in and do the job.

And then when they did the job, they thought, well, we better. Make 'em a fish and, and kind of into a '

Pete: em

in North Africa. Yeah. And they cleaned up there in like the most inhospitable like terrain and stuff. And they still just clean, like cleaning up over there. But the the second season ties it into the, like, into the second World war. And like how they started like recapturing, like parts of Europe literally going, well, let's just stick the s I've forgotten they changed their name.

Yeah. This is like

Dan: Just send them in tape

Pete: or 30 of

Dan: Yeah. Tape back Greece. Yeah,

Pete: Well it's Italy that they go for. They start with Sicily and then they just work their way up the country. It's fucking pretty funny.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: No, I don't think so. I don't think you have

Dan: no, I don't. I dunno whether we have Pete, you might have just reviewed that on your own.

Pete: Yeah,

Sidey: We're gonna do it again.

Pete: some ministry of silly walks that we,

Sidey: yeah, yeah, that was it.

Pete: That

Dan: gonna do it again. Okay. Well, there's loads to do.

Pete: What are we gonna do now?[00:07:00]

Sidey: We could talk about we could talk about that one since we've started the ball rolling on it. Okay. The Ministry of Funny Walks. Go ahead. I've also got,

Reegs: Yeah, we might as well.

It's a really weird way to start an episode, but I like, sort of like

Pete: almost like we haven't put any planning into

Sidey: it. We have, but we, it so it

Reegs: well, it's sort of serendipity in a way, isn't it? If somebody had, you've got notes on it to talk about it, Okay.

Dan: And stuff and that

Pete: of a sort.

Dan: Well, we know in this one it does follow a, a similar path as that series.

Sidey: Well, yes, I think, yeah. It's based on a real group of people, real events, but they portray it in quite a comedic way. It's, it's quite lighthearted this film, I would say. Has everyone seen it?

Dan: Yes.

Massive beards,

Sidey: great

mustache cave's got, and it's outstanding

Reegs: stuff. I haven't seen this, but I did want to see it.

So you three have all seen it.

Sidey: remember he's, it's a guy [00:08:00] Richie movie. Yeah. It's really floppy, unfortunately. But it starts off with Guy Richie

Pete: sure we have reviewed this.

anyway, carry

Sidey: we're about to it starts off with Henry Cabell and Alan Richon.

He's buff

Reegs: Mm-hmm. yeah.

Jack

Sidey: these are real

Reegs: do you watch Rera?

I watched the first season of that. That was good.

Sidey: But, and they do show you the real people at the end of the film and you're like, it doesn't fucking look. Anything like that. Yeah. And they are pretending to be Swedish fishermen. And you're thinking you wouldn't be about fishing in these fucking waters, do you mean? Yeah. And they're boarded by some Nazis and, and they're very jovial and sort of not

they're not stressing about the fact that they've been boarded.

You know, they're. They're bit gonna be a bit lively. The, the German sort of commanders giving them loads of shit and then he is telling them, you, you know, you are actually now fucked. And they're still just like smirking at him. And while the Nazis are down below deck, they open a door, one of the guys guns and down guns are the Nazis down and they pull their machine guns [00:09:00] out and just fucking slaughter everyone on

Pete: really violent and,

Sidey: Then a guy, but funny. Yeah. Then a guy appears from the sea onto the sort of lifeboat thing. And it's clear that he's put some explosives on the massive, like German warship and they start firing at the fishing boat. And they're very relaxed about even that. And they, the, the shells are going over their head and they're like.

How big a fuse did you put on that thing? And eventually it, it goes up and then that's, you know, that's the intro. It's a strong, it's a strong

Pete: It is a very strong

Sidey: start.

Dan: But it just goes to show their bravado, I

guess.

Sidey: then it, this is. Some months or some weeks ahead. So we go back now to them assembling the team.

Reegs: well, when is this set?

Sidey: 1941. Okay.

And the problem that they've got is that the German U-boats stopping supply and also stopping the fucking yank cunts from getting involved in the war. Yeah. So they have to deal with that problem.

Reegs: and it's gonna explain who they are and what

Sidey: Yeah. The real disappointment for me in this film, 'cause I really did enjoy it, is the fucking [00:10:00] Churchill.

Is awful.

some guy, and it looks like it could be one of us. It looks nothing like him. It's some,

Pete: it's Roy Cane's son. Rory Cane, the guy, he's in Bond.

Sidey: Joe Canne,

Pete: Joe. Joe. Yeah.

Dan: who I was

Sidey: he

Pete: with

the

Dan: But the ex Wimbledon manager.

Pete: The c the the sort of comedian or comedic character? His son Rory Caner, who's in, he's like, you've got money Penny.

And then there's always like another guy that's

helping out it is him. Who's

playing Churchill in

Sidey: like anything like it. Right? Nothing like him. But anyway, it doesn't matter. He's saying to all these, these people are saying, look, we are just gonna have to fucking negotiate with Hitler 'cause we're fucked. Basically we are. They're almost in a, kind of like siege.

They show the map and map and they're, they're kind of surrounded. They're not getting any supplies in through the Atlantics. They're like, you're gonna have to fucking do a deal, do something. He's like, absolutely. Fucking not. What we're gonna do is set up. Basically, this is the first kind of black ops team.

So this is all off the books. Like Mission Impossible, you get caught. We didn't know anything about it. You're gonna be, you'll get arrested by [00:11:00] our lot, or if you get caught by the Germans, you'll just be tortured and killed. Yeah. And someone. Fleming. Yeah, Ian fl He actually says it like that, doesn't he?

Yeah. Does the James Bond announcement? James Bond announce?

Pete: James Bond

Sidey: Yeah. He says, oh, actually you might know someone. But they're currently her majesty, his majesty's pleasure. And they had to get, they had to get Caval outta prison

Reegs: All

Dan: Well, this is it. So I think in, in real life as well there was a

Reegs: Henry Cave's been in prison.

Dan: was a certain amount of ness about the first SAS team that they'd.

Bent, broke, snapped, destroyed the rules. And

Pete: so, so Henry Cave's character was the

Sidey: bond

Pete: of four bonds.

Sidey: Yeah. 'cause it's Ian Fleming who, who pick, pulls him out. Yeah. And whilst they, whilst they're telling him about the plan, they've got him in the room in front, there's panel of, you know, the top brass there.

He's just stealing stuff. He's just take the stuff from everywhere. Like Churchill, best cigar, he nicks the lighter off the table, he takes his coat, does everything, and they're like, look, we just need this guy on board, so we'll fucking let him go. And he says. [00:12:00] I'll do it. I'm, I'm, I've got my team. It's like the fucking a team, like, and

Dan: exactly

Sidey: he runs through him and, and and is the guy, he is like, he can kill people a hundred different ways of the knife.

He's a fucking savage. The Danish

Dan: blow up anything. This

Sidey: Yeah.

The guy, like a munition guy, you know, explos, this guy and this other guy who's already been captured who they really need.

Dan: and they've gotta go in

Sidey: through. So

the first part of the mission is we're gonna go and get him.

Okay.

Dan: That's just to go and get him, like risk their lives to go and get him to bring him out of an absolute hell hole where he is gonna die. To

Pete: to put him in.

Dan: To take him into a

Pete: Yeah.

Dan: Brilliant. That's what makes it for,

Sidey: Parallel to that, they've got a couple of people on the inside that basically they need to go to where this base is.

It's a tiny little island where there

Dan: Epstein Island,

Sidey: Yeah. Supply boats, which are fueling and, and running the U-boats out of this place. So they need to take all that down so that they basically cut all the fucking U-boats out of it. One of them is U 96, which is the DA [00:13:00] boot. Submarine. Yeah. Yeah. A little Easter dragon for there for that.

So they've got a guy who runs like a Casablanca kind of, he's, he's a connected to everyone 'cause he runs the sort of nightclub and all the hospitality there. So he gets all the German top brass. And they have got a lady who was in baby driver super, super hot. Elise Gonzalez. She's doing like multiple languages in this.

She's doing a Brit accent. She sings in German.

She's smoking hot. So they've got a couple of people on the inside. She's going to get them by being the gold broker for the, for the Gestapo guys from all the gold. They're nicking. So, and it, it's not a hugely convoluted plot. It's essentially moves into a set of set pieces.

So they go, they go to get their mate and they're like, we, we really need him. He would like, he's the brain's, the operation, but he's very calm and when they find him, he's being tortured. He's got electrodes attached to his nipples with [00:14:00] blood like coming out into his shirt, and he is just like, he's unbreakable.

And then they do flash. They do a card about him at the end and they say he was, he was captured and tortured for a year. Never broke

Pete: Wow.

Sidey: like nails. So they get him out and they fucking slaughter someone. And the Anna Anna's guy, the Danish one Jack Reacher, he actually fucking stabs someone and pulls their heart out in that.

Nice. So

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: that's the level of like

Reegs: serious cartoonish Yeah. Sort of

Dan: yeah. Full of one-liners and, and things like that and just outlandish stuff, but it kind of

Touches also on the, the mindset of these guys that they weren't going in to do normal jobs. They weren't going in to do things that had been done before.

It wasn't clean British, we play by the walls kind of thing. These were

Sidey: the, that's how he talks, isn't Harry, Harry Campbell does that sort of accent. It's

Dan: oh yeah, but he's, oh, rip your fucking heart out. You know? And, and that's it. It's a completely. Different way of fighting a war, the enemy just wasn't used [00:15:00] to that kind of savagery really.

And and coordinated skills and just direction,

Pete: Yeah,

Reegs: And probably a bit of it is about how they appeared to their enemies as well. Right? When they became known, oh my God, don't encounter these guys.

They're absolute psychos. And

Pete: Yeah, because it was all, I mean, I, I guess it's not strictly rules of engagement, but there was, there was a way that wars were fought, right? Like up until, you know, there was a certain level of, of like decorum or whatever. It's like, that's okay, that's not, oh, that's a, and or oh, that was a little bit kind of like clever bravo.

Like they actually would, would, I guess respect. Different, like,

Dan: imagine like going back into it, the the at paces, you know, walk, walk 10 paces, turn and shoot or

Pete: Yeah, yeah,

Dan: Nowadays it'd be like. Yeah, he is not looking. Shoot him in the back,

Pete: the back of the head. Yeah. Yeah. But there, there, there'd be, there'd be missions, like covert missions.

Where would, you know, one against the other that would end up being kind of like, almost like, oh, bravo. Like [00:16:00] well done. And then they'd take that and they'd use it and they'd change it and they'd try and do it back to them and all of that kind of stuff. It was very. Like, almost like a, a game. But with, with certain rules.

But then these sorts of guys, these like black ops

Sidey: and,

Pete: you know, SAS and

Dan: winning was the rule.

Pete: Yeah. All of a sudden it just became like you'd say, right, we need like 3, 3, 3 to 500 people to that. And it'd just be like, no, actually give us 20 fucking lunatics who've got either nothing to live for or just don't

care.

Like they they, they don't care. Yeah. They've got absolutely no fear.

and

they, they, they

Reegs: an acronym for it in the armed forces. What is it? Na fod. No. Apparent Fear of Death. Yeah.

Pete: Yeah, and I guess, I guess now that's people who get in like wingsuits and, you know, jump off mountains and stuff like that.

It like, it comes out in different ways. But we all know people like the crazy people who'd like do be doing like back flips of, of like sea walls when they were like 10 and stuff. These are the guys that then when they're in later life are useful for like, fuck, crazy, like stuff like that.

Sidey: Yeah. [00:17:00] There's the, and go back to the movie.

There's various bits of espionage where they have to steal, the plans, the German plans, if someone puts down a briefcase, they sort of steal that quickly, go off, do a bit of a, you know,

Reegs: bait the old switcheroo

Sidey: put it back. But that's, it is quite light on that amount of stuff. Mostly it's just like people

Reegs: blowing people up and

Sidey: so there's, there's tourings and throwings. The plan ultimately is they've got their explosive sky. They're going to fucking blow shit up in the port. But when they get there, they find out that the holes of these things have been reinforced. So that plan won't work. So they end up just fucking stealing them.

They just fucking sail off of them which is not the orders that they've given or they, they can't officially say they've had orders. But they deliver these to, there's a allied fleet and they, they just go, well, fuck it. We go over to them and just deliver them. But because they're.

the

door. It, it's not a sanctioned mission.

They're arrested and court martialed. So Churchill has to intervene and say, he gives them a fucking bollocking while people in the room and then they fuck off. And he's like, don't worry.

Dan: But he's also like, you know, fucking hell. [00:18:00] They've given us the boats, like, you know, they've, they've done even be, we were gonna blow 'em up. It's even better to fucking bring 'em back to us and, and use them against

Sidey: them. Now the Yanks can turn up late to the party. Yeah, and,

Dan: and claim all the

Sidey: turns, the tide of the wall. And then you're given, you know, this is the creation of this ministry of un gentlemanly warfare that, so the s sa s and then we get the cards, the, the real life pitch of the guys.

And they don't look obviously anything like

Pete: like the, the, the Danish or Swedish or whatever he

Sidey: some sy little dude.

Pete: score. Yeah. He's really, he's like a wave, isn't he? Compared to like this, like man mountain that they've got.

Dan: But

Sidey: What there is, I haven't mentioned it, is there's loads of fucking art. He kills loads of people with bow and arrow. Yeah. Like stealth stuff and I love a bit of archery.

This, it was fucking cool.

Dan: And it's a guy Richie film, so you've got that. Kind of feel about it

Reegs: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Very

Pete: slick and it's, it's, it's good because it's

Reegs: quick edits and the juxtapositions of stuff happening at the same time and all that sort of thing.

Pete: yeah,

it is good. If, if you like this, then you'll love SAS Rug Heroes. It's, it is very, very

Dan: yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it [00:19:00] was almost a. Related spin off by a

Pete: something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not as, but they're very sim it's not as Guy Richie,

Dan: No.

Pete: the, like, the series, it's a little bit more sensible, but it, it definitely leans into like the,

Sidey: Yeah. And like this did happen. It was Operation Postmaster, I think is the name of the operation. And Ian Fleming was involved in it. This guy was the inspiration for James Bond. So, you know, this guy's fucking legit. I think he was the only, no, I think they all died throughout the, in different missions.

They all died apart from one, I

Pete: when he died. The, yeah.

Sidey: So it's like

Dan: interesting as well, like, Ian Fleming obviously went on and did the, the Bond films, but then you've got David Cornwall or John LA who was also part of MI six, who then went and did so many amazing spy films as well.

And it's one we'll talk about in another pod, the night manager which I've been watching. I dunno if any of you have caught that on BB. C. It's, it's amazing. Really, [00:20:00] really good one. But we'll save it for

Sidey: Okay. Well this one, I, so my Mrs watched it first and she gave it a strong recommend. So she was happy to sit and watch it again with Mevo when I watched it for this.

So it's a, it's an all round strong recommend. This

Dan: strong.

Reegs: That's like the most jazz episode we've done, isn't it? Where it's just sort of emerged out of,

Sidey: yeah,

Dan: that's the way we roll, riff,

Pete: riff riffing it.

Dan: anybody's listening to this for the first time, that's the way we