Roberts & All The President's Men

All The Presidents Men

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review. The podcast that is to investigative journalism as a cheese grater is to brain surgery. This week, we're starting things off by committing highway robbery as we discuss our top five Roberts from De Niro to the Bruce. We'll be covering more bobs than a hairdresser with premature ejaculation and a bull cut fetish.

Our main feature sees us investigating 1976 is all the President's men where Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford spend 138 minutes proving that politicians are lying corrupt bastards which is like spending two hours proving that water is wet or that Piers Morgan is a cunt. A quick warning before we get started.

This podcast features more leaks than Hunter Biden's laptop and more coverups than Herod's HR department. So if you're expecting journalistic integrity, you've clearly never listened to this show before. Time to meet this week's arguments for why freedom of the press needs to be imprisoned without parole.

Starting with Dan, he's so old. He remembers when politicians broadly spoke the truth and his fucks capacitor was decommissioned by the manufacturer due to health and safety

Dan: I

don't think I'm that old about

politicians.

but the rest of it's all true.

Reegs: Not with us. Sadly it's stunning. Chris. He's at home presumably watching prison dramas, wishing real life had more stabbings and fewer feelings and going deep undercover in second place.

The man who told me he's been working on his deep throat technique all week and can take things all the way down when he needs to get the information, it's sidey. Alright, and then there's me re Hello?

Dan: well hopefully Chris is popping the question.

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: he's on a romantic. City Break with his

Dan: Yeah. Everybody showed his pictures of men. Na, naked men.

Sidey: Yeah. It is in Florence. I think. Yeah. Not

to give, you know, where his

his location live or anything, but we are living in hope that he'll come up with news that we've got stag dudes Go to.

But I, Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. I don't know. We live

Dan: We live in hope

Sidey: It's not putting out the right vibes on the group.

Reegs: Not really. But you never know. It could be a [00:02:00] stealth thing.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: We, we, we,

Sidey: we live in

Dan: We live in hope. We do indeed. Have you seen anything past the, the homework this

Sidey: Yeah. I It was like a wet and shitty weather weekend, so I was in indoors quite a lot.

So I took the opportunity to watch

Jurassic Park Rebirth.

Reegs: Okay.

Dan: The newest

Sidey: The newest, the newest one was Scar Joe,

Reegs: tell

us how you felt about that.

Sidey: I really enjoyed

Reegs: it. Did you?

Dan: I think quite, I still getting a little. Bump from all this. He must do. Yeah. Yeah. He must get like as inventor of

Reegs: I immediately thought of the robot from Red Dwarf, to be honest, but second.

Sidey: did I

Dan: Yeah. I don't think he

Sidey: because I, because Is he not? a Robert,

is

he Rob Lewellen?

Dan: Oh, he is. Yeah.

Reegs: is. Yeah.

Sidey: So he might crop on. top five. But no,

I didn't enjoy particularly the second trilogy, the Chris Pratt ones.

Dan: Mm. Especially

Sidey: the. final one of those three is absolutely awful. but

Dan: Yeah. One of them wasn't too

Reegs: they seem to just get progressively

Sidey: Oh, dread four. I mean, the last one was just about big locusts. [00:03:00] This

one at least

is about big dinosaurs.

Reegs: Got Mahers Ali in it, hasn't it? Yeah,

Sidey: good. There's a terrible bit at the end

where he's

obviously gonna survive. There's some good deaths in it. Scarlet Hanson's boobs look fantastic strong recommend.

Anything else? What about,

Dan: see the Jurassic is, has got back onto track.

No, I didn't actually. I was as you can see, the man cave is spotless.

Reegs: is

Sidey: Oh, it's it's

Reegs: Yeah. And

you must have had a team of people working

Dan: No, it was just me. But it is now, you know, you can see the carpet again,

Reegs: I don't think the bowling alley has ever looked as clean as that.

Dan: Thank you very much. Yeah, it is a lot of polish that goes into that to make sure we can, you know, still get those stew res.

But otherwise yeah, I've just done the homework, but I did enjoy particularly the film that we're gonna talk about in a little while.

Sidey: About Rigg.

Reegs: I just about managed to get the homework done this week, to be honest.

But yeah, so in decent proposal I watched You can listen to our review of that shit.

Sidey: That but it was [00:04:00] Yeah. I

mean the film not, our review, the view's fucking Excellent. Yeah. That was

the start of Robert Redford week. 'cause we're gonna

carry on with that. We've got a top five we're gonna talk about. top five Roberts, I've got a little quiz for us. It's quick, quick fire,

quick

Dan: quick.

Sidey: Hubble, And then we're gonna talk about all the president's men. We did have it was

just a, an offer, a seconding

of my strong recommend from last week about I've forgotten it

again. The name of

Reegs: Wallace Island

Sidey: Ballad of Wallace

Islands. Darren Lethe seconded my strong

recommend. Yeah. With a recommended.

of his own. He really Enjoyed it.

Reegs: Okay. And we didn't have a break nomination, so should we just put that in

Sidey: Yes, yes. Breaking news. Yeah.

That's it. Right.

Roberts.

Dan: Well, I, I, hopefully Robert Carlisle isn't on the no list.

Yeah. He did the full Monty he did obviously beg be out of train spotting. Even the rather, you know, the, the poor. Poorly received T two as it was [00:05:00] called at the time. His Yeah, his but his character was one that you felt still had a, a few more miles in the, in the clock because Beby was such a, a horrible, horrible

Sidey: already done a

Dan: great character

Sidey: he'd already done turns as a fucking lunatic and cracker. Do you remember that? Mm-hmm. And that was why.

Reegs: in once upon a time as well. one another. Violent glaswegian

Sidey: at it, isn't he? Yeah.

Dan: Well, cracker Will gives us another

Yeah. Robbie Carlisle. Who, who col Tran the, the Col. Who, who's Robbie?

Reegs: wasn't he? He was Robbie. He was. They're both. Oh, it was Robert Carlisle. And Robbie. So we got to and

Dan: And his role in the, as the ticket collector in one of my favorite films, let It Ride. Absolutely made it. Fan, you know, such a, a comic streak and such a, a fantastic actor. But he played K Crackle as well. And I remember some really, I remember watching that detective series with my folks when I was young, and there was some really adult and [00:06:00] dark kind of scenes that he, was a detective for.

At one point this guy was killing prostitutes and his wife killed then a prostitute to prove that.

Her husband didn't do it because he was in prison at the time. Right. But did it in exactly the same way so that, yeah. So that he could get off with it, but crack a crack the case. So a couple of Robbies there for you.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Rob and a Robbie. Strong start. Well done Dan.

Reegs: Well done Dan.

Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Rick.

Reegs: His name was Robert Paulson.

Sidey: Oh. it's gonna be my No, it's gonna it's a potential one of my

norms. Yeah, Love that. One, one, in it? Because it starts off, it starts off. Bob has bitch tits. And

then he becomes.

well, they're more formal it Robert Paulson.

Reegs: Well, basically as they join this cult-like thing that the terrorist organization that Tyler Durden is building operation may project Mayhem that they're building in Fight Club lose their identity.[00:07:00]

Oh yeah. Don't talk about it. They lose their identity as they join this cult, and then they find their identity in death. His name was Robert Paulson as they chant. It's quite terrifying, really. And yeah, like you say, it is Bob's bitched tits meatloaf,

Sidey: Mr. Loaf.

Reegs: Yeah. So

Sidey: that's, that's

strong. Yeah. I like that one. What about Robert the sponge?

Reegs: Yes.

Dan: No. What? Tell me more.

Sidey: Robert Harold Squarepants.

Dan: yeah. A K

Sidey: AKA, SpongeBob

Reegs: is his first name actually, Robert,

Sidey: apparently. So.

Reegs: really

Dan: Robert Sponge.

Sidey: Yeah,

We did

we did do it at the pod to

Reegs: yeah, I looked it up today, but I don't remember it. You, I looked at the notes you'd written them and he said that it was kind of like

Sidey: Yeah,

that's exactly in my head. It's like that sort of zany, it's not as out there as but what

is as Ren Stimpy,

but it's,

it's certainly not your, you know, your standard kiddie fair. Yeah. So yeah.

SpongeBob, SpongeBob Squarepants,

Dan: Rob Reer.

[00:08:00] So it's coming, isn't it? The Spinal Tap two

Sidey: not been very well received.

Dan: They never,

Reegs: the bits I've seen of it were a bit dodgy. It

Dan: It, it is never gonna live up to that because the first bit, the first one was essentially such a brilliant. Kind of twist on documentary satirical. Is it true? Is it not that you, some people actually didn't know whether they weren't a real band. Obviously we all know it's

Sidey: well, I mean, they have got All the songs and they are like.

Obviously stupid, but they're banging still.

Dan: they're, they're, they're fantastic songs. When they go through the review, I mean, it's still one of my favorite things when, and they're going Shit soup.

Sidey: shit

sandwich. Yeah,

That's been,

Dan: Yeah, the two

Sidey: paraphrased a lot in The, reviews of the, second movie,

Dan: yeah. And maybe they would've, you know, sport it just going reh hacking on, on team. But Rob

Sidey: there's, there's,

a, a YouTube series that I watch. It's

called What's In My [00:09:00] Bag, and it's

this

record big massive record store in LA called Amoeba. And they just have people in there choosing records, and then they talk about what, and the most recent one is

Nigel Sin Hubbins

and fucking, I can't remember, the fucking, names of them. Are they really funny on that.

I think it's probably funnier than what the movie's gonna be, unfortunately.

Is Yeah. They, I

was Fucking lolling to myself watching it that last night. But yeah, I think the film it's been a flop and was like like negative reviews. But,

Dan: but he's known for way more than, than just that he, he's done, you know, as an actor.

American dad, he's been, Kind of popular animation that you might have seen before. He's done everything from tv, shits to TV genius. Yeah, I think he's strong. Recommend

Sidey: yeah.

Dan: Rob Wyner

Reegs: Is it me? Yeah. Robert England.

Dan: Ah, yeah, we mentioned him earlier. Yeah. England. Yeah. Off

Sidey: oh fair?

Reegs: [00:10:00] Alright. He is probably best known for playing Freddie Krueger, I would say seven times across the nightmare on Elm Street franchise. He was classically trained at raha.

And you know, he was a stage actor and all that sort of stuff before he did supporting roles in movies. Like A Star Is Born and Big Wednesday. Remember that? Really? He was in that film.

Sidey: Blis favorite film.

Reegs: Yeah. That Surfing Classic. He had his breakthroughs, the Resistance Fighter, Willie and the mini Series V. Did you ever watch that?

Sidey: I remember. V Yeah.

Reegs: And he was also in Wish master and a load a night rider. I looked up today and Stranger Things. He was great friends with Mark Hamill and they both auditioned for the part of hand solo so imagine what could have been.

Sidey: Yeah.

I've got one.

where one is a fictional character and one

is a real person

with the same name.

Killian Murphy played this guy in inception, Robert

Fisher.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: That was a good film.

[00:11:00] We all enjoyed that.

And there is a real person called Bobby Fisher. Fisher. He

was a chess.

Dan: Chess, yeah,

Reegs: yeah,

yeah.

Sidey: And there's documentary stuff about

his life.

and he was obviously, you know, from a young age chess pro, one of those like nerds going around.

beating

20 grandma at the same time. You know, BLA one blah.

And then he just had

a complete breakdown. And just became

like a real lunatic,

no A horrible piece of shit,

like anti-Semite. And so Spouting out

all this shit, which would probably get you elected to

like Yeah. High, high

office in America these days. Wow.

Britain as well.

Reegs: Britain as well.

Yeah.

Sidey: Well anyway, I guess. And so he kind of got ostracized and then there were, they, had this big game against.

I Think it might have been one of the Russians it was in, I think that's what the documentary's all about, but he really lost it big time. But Bobby or slash Robert Fisher?

Reegs: Mm-hmm.

Nice.

Dan: Do you

Reegs: the ma man?

Dan: Do you know the Robert Garrison?

Sidey: Mr.

Garrison?

Reegs: Robert [00:12:00] Gimme more.

Dan: He,

Reegs: it looked like you did a Nazi salute there. What

Dan: that? No, that was that was a Cobra Kai.

one of the Cobra, Kai original karate kid guys. He wasn't

Sidey: was, He like a fringe cry kid?

Dan: He was a fringe. He was like, he was called Tommy. He was

Reegs: one is, have you got a picture of him there?

Dan: It was yeah.

Reegs: Tommy what? In the first movie? Well, okay. Now he was one of Johnny Lawrence's he was one of the original gang. He's not the one who looks like, there's one who looks exactly like Mark Haml in the, he's, is him. It is the one who looks a bit

Dan: is the Mark Hamill

Sidey: Yeah. He's such a weasel that way.

Dan: Yeah. Well he's he, he died unfortunately

Sidey: oh, he's the, yeah, in Cobra Kai, he is the one that's got cancer.

Dan: Yeah, that's right. And they, I think in season. Three. They put out a,

Sidey: a they go out, they go out and

They go out on the lash game

one last time, don't they? They have a bar fight. Yeah,

Dan: that's right. So it was, it was for real was ill though. And he also was in the Iron Eagle. He got close to getting the best of the best part. Remember the best of the best. Best of [00:13:00] the best of, best of

Reegs: best. The best of the best, yeah.

Dan: yeah. Another karate thing. So, unfortunately he passed away just age 59 September 2019.

But he was, as you say, like one of Tommy's like, yeah, go and give it, you know, just a little weasel on the

side,

Sidey: he blob, doesn't he like, he goes,

he completely

turns when they like break.

Dan: Yeah, I think in

Sidey: I think he, he is like, oh, I'm really sorry.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. We're sorry, Tommy. We, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Danny, Danny he's, he's can't take it.

He's too nice. He's got a heart. But yeah. That's Rob Garrison. Rob Garrison, yeah.

Reegs: What about Bob?

That's the title of a movie and it fits in. It's a 1991 comedy directed by Frank Oz starring Richard Dreyfus and Bill Murray. Remember that one?

Murray.

Dan: either of those best movies.

Reegs: it wasn't, but it had some good moments in it.

Dreyfus is this like successful therapist and he's [00:14:00] doing an interview and promoting his book, and he's got a lake house and Bill Murray is the sort of demented

Dan: Well, he takes on the, the pa. He doesn't really want to take him on, but he says, oh, okay.

Kind of. Because of his own ego and says, yeah, okay, I will because nobody else can fix him. I, I kind of will. But he realizes this guy is just beyond,

Reegs: he's got so many neurosis.

Dan: he is just

Reegs: like afraid of death and germs and, you know, all sorts of stuff. Claustrophobic and, you know, prone to very erratic behavior. So it does not bode well for him. What about Bob,

Sidey: what about Robert Goran?

Dan: Go.

Reegs: Tell me about more about Goran.

Sidey: Are you familiar with the Law and Order offshoot Law and Order Colon Criminal

Reegs: No.

Sidey: No. Vincent

Donofrio played the main

detective in that.

And this is a character trait that they've never, ever done before in these things.

He's like

autistic. And [00:15:00] was

really good at solving crimes, but. Quite difficult to deal

with.

Yeah.

Anyway, there's actually a video game of it where it's a

point and click you know,

thing and You can play it as Robert Goran in

that.

Reegs: you up and down, can you adjust the amount of autism you have just to like,

Sidey: I he's got 10 autisms.

Reegs: Yeah, I'm gonna up the autism

Dan: apparently it's Paracetamal delivered as

Sidey: Yeah. Tylenol. I didn't realize that. That's what I, I always knew that Tylenol was a thing. I didn't know that it was

just paracetamol, just the brand. Different branding. Right. Okay. So yeah, him and I had an evening on Friday

of

Jigsaw Fun.

Yes. So I listened to loads of albums while I

was doing that. One of them was the Latest Cure which is great, by the way.

Reegs: Robert Smith

Sidey: Smith is Robert Smith is in that group.

Reegs: Well, I was listening to music the other day by Bobby Darin. Does that count?

Sidey: I was thinking Bobby Drow.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah, that does count for sure.

Dan: Big time. He was a bus driver, wasn't he? Bobby Darwin. Well, don't [00:16:00] do it, but the big sleep. That was, of course, Philip Marlow played by Robert Mitchum. And that is gonna be my norm actually, because we're getting to that time already, but Robert Mitchum was. Just so we had that dimple chin.

He was a, a, an actor's actor. He, he had Oscar nominations when Oscar nominations were tough to come by. He just transcended across, but I was looking recently at a film. He, he acted right up, you know, one of those actors that acted right up to his death almost. And, one of the films he did very late on was a Dead Man with Johnny Depp, the Jinja film.

And he, he would just play little bits of you know, parts. He wasn't you know, running whole films in Stein Hall films towards the, the end. But he was. Robert Mitchum, an absolute legend. And yeah, I, I [00:17:00] don't think we've done quite enough Mitchum films and the Big Sleep is one of my

Reegs: Have we done any,

Sidey: any,

I don't. I was gonna say, I dunno that? We've ever done any,

it's,

Dan: he's one of my favorite detective characters. Because he's doesn't necessarily solve all the crimes. He, but he sorts out his clients by either getting beat up for them or, you know.

Doing all the dirty work for them. He doesn't quite solve all the crimes all the time, but

Reegs: and maybe creates a few new ones along the

Dan: Yeah. He sometimes don't quite, you know, get all the, you know, as a, as a pi, he didn't sort out everything, but he was always in that very film noir kind of scene. And yeah, like that one. Word on me.

Reegs: Go on.

You choose. I'm still thinking.

Sidey: I've

got a few more music ones. There's a Banana Rama

song, but we won't get into that. Robert Zimmerman,

Dan: right? Yeah.

Sidey: Bob Dylan. He did

songs.

Dan: He did

Sidey: Robert Fripp.

Reegs: Oh,

Dan: trippy.

Reegs: I [00:18:00] know that name

Sidey: is

Bit of a lunatic. He is an amazing guitar player. He was in

King Crim.

He

Reegs: Oh, king Crimson. Yeah.

Sidey: He also is married to Tracy

Allman, I think. And they Had

some really mental YouTube videos.

They put out, especially during lockdown and COVID. And then band I fucking love and hardly anyone else does, is guided by voices and there main man is called Robert Pollard. They're quite difficult

He'll, he'll,

there are loads of really good songs but he'll make them. He'll just stop halfway through, and, you know,

really get into and He'll just stop it

Like, it just like,

just being deliberately annoying.

But sometimes they do get through. And then weird, Al Yankovic has a song called Bob, and it's the kind of pastiche of Bob Dylan and the videos is of

the, you know, the subterranean homesick blues where he is

Reegs: Yeah. Throwing out the cards.

Sidey: every line is a palone in

1. Yeah. So

it is actually really clever.

It's really good. in that and

then I had convinced

myself, absolutely convinced myself. and I was so happy with this norm. It's going by my norm, but his name is Nice, not Robert or it's Laura. I'd convinced [00:19:00] myself and I basically port manto two people into

one. So the one that is real It's Robert Lewellen, who was Creon in Red dw, And then another one that I thought of. I thought his name was Robert Luan Bowen.

Yeah, but it's Lawrence Luan Bowen. that Fucking

dickhead with the floppy

collars and his Stupid hair.

So I can't have those. Although Creighton is a good one, but my actual norm is gonna be I don't think we've had him is Robert er

Dan: No, I dunno.

Robert Twi

Sidey: sideshow Bob.

Reegs: of course. Yeah.

Sidey: Crops up many times in his plot to kill bar And

mainly bar.

Dan: I, I, I did mean to mention Rob Riggle as well.

You know, Robert Riggle he's, he's been in a

Reegs: couple Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan: of different

Sidey: Oh yeah. He gets his dick calf in 21 Jump

Dan: yeah. He, curvy enthusiasm. He's, he's been in, yeah,

Reegs: he's been in loads of stuff. I,

Dan: various little bits.

He is a comedian, isn't he? And he just does

Sidey: I feel like he should [00:20:00] be more like big, and had more hits than he is had.

Dan: He doesn't seem to take himself too seriously.

Sidey: but, but they do the ride along in

the other guys

and they're, they're basically a kindergarten Yeah. And he's, he's just passing around his

gun. when the kids get the gun Get the

gun

Reegs: Gunny.

Dan: He, he plays I think a real estate guy as well in family guy, or modern family a couple other, little just cameos comes in and absolutely chooses the upper scene and then leaves us again.

Reegs: Robert

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: The Lighthouse will always have a fond place in my heart. Robert Rodriguez. Does he make psychotic crazy blood lust films? Does he make kids films?

Yes. Which is great. Robert Val, Bob Odenkirk didn't mention him. He's nice. And Bob the builder, Bobby Hill from King of the Hill. But my norm is gonna be Bob The Goon. Do you remember from the Batman [00:21:00] movie? He was the Joker's right hand man. He's eventually offed by Oh yeah, the Joker. I think he had a toy.

You had, you could get a Bob Lagoon

Dan: so he is pretty big back in his day. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: I can picture him now. You've mentioned

it.

Reegs: Yeah. Bob Lagoon.

Sidey: Nice.

Let us know you, because we got,

Dan: you are Bob, Robbie, or

Sidey: got you, Bob, Rob, We got room for a Bobby

A Robert. Yeah.

I didn't have a Single Roberto. Did we?

Dan: Roberta Flack.

Sidey: Yeah. Anyone I can think of off the top of my head. So yeah, We need more.

Dan: Yeah. We're

killing them softly, aren't we?

Reegs: Robbie. Robbie. Robbie,

Sidey: right. I've got a little quiz for you.

Reegs: Oh

Dan: Oh wow.

Sidey: Sticking with the Robert Redford vibe. Okay. I'm

Dan: for this.

Sidey: this.

Reegs: Buzz is going to get, be Rob. I'm gonna use the word Rob, so,

Sidey: Okay. So, it's similar vibe that we've had before. Sorry for the repetition. Chris would be disappointed to miss this one. I'm gonna give you the description of a film, I, I need the name of the film and I need to tell, [00:22:00] you, need you

to tell me if it's

Redford.

Or Redford,

Reegs: Okay?

Dan: Okay. Okay.

Reegs: Right. Okay.

Sidey: So if it's,

I I couldn't restrict it just to Fords. It's a red car. So Does the, does the film contain Robert Redford or does it contain a red car?

Reegs: Right,

Sidey: but The answer needs to be Redford. Okay. Redford or Redford.

Okay. You with me? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so question one.

Two journalists investigate the

waters case. scandal.

Reegs: Arga.

Sidey: You said you were gonna say Rob.

Reegs: Yeah, but I'm not now. I'm going, I'm going for it.

Sidey: Well, Okay.

so I need the film Redford. And the film is

Reegs: all the president's men who

Sidey: I know. Who would've, who would've thought it?

Question two, a slacker fakes illness to skip schools still.

Dan: It's Ferris Bueller's day off, and it's, it's a red car. Red Ford.

Sidey: Red Ford? I gave you that, but don't make that mistake again.

Dan: Okay.

Reegs: Two

Sidey: Two

Con men in the 1930s

Chicago put off An elaborate

long con against a mob boss.

Oh

Dan: Oh yeah, yeah. That's Redford, yeah. The sting.

Sidey: Correct. [00:23:00] A plucky Volkswagen

with a mind of its own enters car races.

Reegs: Yes, it's Rob.

Dan: it's a red car, isn't it?

Reegs: It's

a red Ford

Sidey: And the,

and

Reegs: Steve McQueen. A Lightning McQueen.

Sidey: No.

Reegs: Lightning McQueen is the name of the car. And it's cars

Sidey: No. incorrect? No, it's the Herbie series.

Dan: Oh. You've buzzed in too soon.

Sidey: The Volkswagen was the key there.

okay. Question five. Outlaws ride across

the American West being chased by the law after

a spectacular train robbery.

Dan: Well

Go on Ed. You've got it.

Reegs: I can't, I don't even, I can't even remember what my buzzer does anymore. It's Butch Cassy in the Sundance Kid. It's Redford,

Sidey: Yeah. Street races. You said that. Wrong Street races in La Rev up a Cherry Red Dodge Charger Oh really?

Dan: This will be Red Ford.

Sidey: what's the

Dan: And it is the movie. Oh, that. [00:24:00] No, it's fucking. It's not drive,

Sidey: correct.

It's not drive. See,

Dan: See, there we go.

Reegs: Were they in Spider-Man?

Dan: No, it is, it is the one with

Sidey: I, I'll

Dan: VIN Diesel. Isn't it?

Sidey: for One Furious. It's the Fast and the Furious.

Dan: there, I couldn't remember the

Sidey: name. A lone Sailor battles, Storms leaks and

dwindling supplies.

after yacht collides with a shipping container.

Dan: It is the the one that we did for

Reegs: All is lost. All is

Dan: is lost. Yeah. That was a good movie. I like that. Fuck, I remember the whole fucking script.

Sidey: Right. See if you

can Get

This one. A Blood Red

Plymouth Fury develops A murderer Streak.

killing anyone who threatens

its teenage

Reegs: That's Christine. It's Red Ford.

Sidey: Yes, correct. I just to say if, if you did get.

a Redford and a red Ford. The answer would be both,

but May or may not,

Reegs: may not, may happen, may not happen. Who

Sidey: A newly married

couple struggle to adapt to life together in a tiny fifth floor New York apartment. [00:25:00]

Dan: that what we've got? I'm gonna say uga Redford?

And.

It's

going to be somewhere with Bette Midler or

Sidey: it's

the movie's called Barefoot in the Park.

Oh,

an arrogant

race car learns humility in a Pixar world

full of talking vehicles. His paint job

Reegs: that is Cars

Dan: that sounded

Sidey: Yeah. Correct. And the, Final one, a Marvel blockbuster where a government official secretly turns out to working for Hydra,

Reegs: That's Captain America. That's Redford and that's Captain America. Brave New World,

Sidey: No,

Dan: No, you've got it all wrong. You've

Sidey: you've got you've got, You've got both

wrong,

I'm afraid.

Reegs: What?

Sidey: What? The answer

is both. And it, the film, the film is Captain America Cold on the wind Soldier. There is a car chase featuring a red carf.

Reegs: Oh,

Dan: red Ford? Yeah.

Sidey: So there we go

I think it was a draw to be honest.

Dan: Well, [00:26:00] I take a draw. I,

Reegs: I, I made quite a lot of errors there, so

Dan: yeah, well you get a point taken off for

Sidey: Yeah, well, we call that one a draw.

Dan: Ooh, Redford

Sidey: onto some

decent movie chat. I think. Hopefully.

Dan: Let's try and do that.

Sidey: Yeah, all the presidents meant 1976. Yeah.

Obviously like highly regarded film. We know that going in. Yeah. So what do we think of it. Multiple Oscar winner, four Oscar

wins. I think. Yeah.

I'm right in saying I have those down here. Nominated for best picture 75, I think it was

Reegs: 72 is, I

Dan: so, so this is almost kind of,

Reegs: know current events

Dan: current event shit,

Sidey: it?

starts off with

Reegs: that's why it can afford to be as dense as it was, I guess.

But

Sidey: It starts off with some newsreel kind of footage of Nixon

being Well,

Reegs: it's actually a zoomed in shot of some type of paper. Is it? Yeah. And you get like the clack of a typewriter keys. 'cause it, it was like a gunshot,

Sidey: like, oh Tom Hank would've had a hard on all the way throughout this

Reegs: 1972. it's

Dan: would [00:27:00] Woody Sure.

Reegs: like punctuating it. And then it does go to the archive footage of Nixon arriving by chopper.

This

Sidey: I see Nixon. He looks like a caricature of himself.

Anyway, I, because none of his features are that extraordinary. But he just looks, 'cause you've seen him,

Dan: esque.

Sidey: he's in cartoons so many times. It just looks kind of odd.

Yeah, he's there

Reegs: big moment of triumph for him

Sidey: do his dress to Congress and

Reegs: but it's this massive iron, isn't it?

'cause it's, he's like you say, he's about to do this address to the house. Everybody's clear chap clapping him on. He's won it by a landslide, but it's also the moment of his complete undoing.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Because after that,

Sidey: then we go to Watergate.

Reegs: yeah, we, we cut to well, we get a little bit of the title actually on some little nice font.

Sidey: was interesting that it was It, it's comes up as a what's the guy who actually

directed it? Alan Ula and Robert Redford film. Yeah. But, But Robert

be, Doesn't get top Billy that goes

to Hoffman.

Reegs: does. Yeah.

Dan: right. Yeah. Although he kind of gets top billing in the sense of.[00:28:00]

And he's, he's the first name up there because Akula comes

Reegs: That's what he's saying.

Dan: it's Yeah.

Reegs: what you're saying. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. But I know top billing would be in the actors'.

Sidey: Yeah, in the actors sense. Yeah. That goes to Hoffman. But

anyway, we get

some, we get

a flashlight in the dark, don't we? The Of the

Watergate building. and then a security guard,

Reegs: guard, not just any security guard.

So the guy

Sidey: it's the actual

Reegs: Willis was the actual security

Sidey: they sacked.

Reegs: Yeah. Who discovered this? Who was the man who sort of

Dan: rumbled?

Wow. Okay. I

Sidey: He finds a Door as a jar and he looks at it and he is like,

well, this is unusual

Reegs: actually, it's been taped over.

Sidey: over. They, He,

He sees that the lock has been

taped over so.

it won't lock. and He's like, there's any one reason to do that? Yeah, as if you're breaking in. So he calls

the police,

Reegs: calls security in the police, and then we cut to some burglars, one of which was, did you see? Dominic Kei from the Sopranos Junior Soprano and they're sort of in one of the offices. They're wearing gloves.

They've got walkie talkies. They're talking to a spotter outside. It's clear this is a fairly [00:29:00] sophisticated

Dan: What was that guy's name? Dominic You kind of want spaghetti when you hear that, don't you?

You, you kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Reegs: yeah. You have to do the hand, yeah. Fingers. So this is not really a normal breaking an entry already.

It's pretty clear

Sidey: and It's a kind of odd place to break into

Reegs: Yeah, it's the Democratic national Committee Headquarters

Dan: of odd if you're not

Sidey: You wouldn't break in there looking for cash You know, other stuff.

Dan: E exactly. There's informational.

Reegs: So they get rumbled and taken in, and then next we cut to the newsroom.

We see Jason, is it Jason Robbar? Do we meet him at this point? I love him in this movie. He's fucking brilliant. He plays Bob Bradley.

Dan: And you, you think these guys though, there's like. Five of them all in an office hiding behind the fucking desk.

They're nowhere to go. I mean, absolute fucking amateur hour. They've turned the radio off with the guy who's across the street who's telling them their accomplice saying, fucking get the fuck out there. But because they've like, wanted [00:30:00] to make no noise, they've turned their radio off. Terrible comms they should have been Well on it just seemed like an amateur hour kind of thing.

'cause you find out later, actually they're all, you know,

Reegs: Well, we're it CIA, we're gonna find that out in a

Sidey: they, like you say we cut to the, the Washington Post newsroom and effectively, or Redford's he's Woodward, isn't

he? Yeah,

He's dispatched off to the courtroom. And This

is kind of,

Reegs: it's quite a gen story, really.

Sidey: it's like some, some people got found there, just go and cover it, but it's not big news,

you know? But when he gets there, their lawyer is some like highfalutin, like he's big

time.

Reegs: Yeah. The public defenders stayed as well, who was assigned to the case. He's like, I'll go and talk to that lawyer. He was the one who was giving

Sidey: it, he said, why, why you defending it? He's

Dan: How the

fuck do you even know about it? Like, how did you know about it so soon, even before they had a phone call?

And he starts. He's just fishy. He, he's his investigative [00:31:00] journalist knows, is twitching at something going on here

Reegs: Well, because it deepens and deepens really quickly.

'cause then he finds out about the men as they're put up and we hear it in the courtroom. And one of the guys in the CIA and he, that again pricks his ears up. He's like, what the fuck? One of the, in the CIA, so he calls, this next of exposition is delivered to his boss. He calls the White House for commentary on the fact that a member of the CIA's in there and they go, oh no, we didn't know anything about Watergate.

And he's like, hang on a minute. I didn't even ask you about Watergate.

Dan: what he says to the boss, isn't it? He goes, what? What's wrong with that? And he goes, we didn't even mention Watergate. They've kind of volunteered this denial before even we've mentioned it. And so

Reegs: everybody

Dan: everybody, his his boss is, a good actor.

Reegs: And this was in the days when the truth mattered about these sorts of things. I mean,

Sidey: This should just be fake news. now. Yeah. It was

just hand waved away.

as fake news.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: But his boss was, wasn't the actor's name. We've seen him in other [00:32:00] things before.

Reegs: There was so many good character actors in this.

The ultimate boss is Jason Robbar. He plays Bob Bradley, the one who really wrestles with the decisions as to whether

Dan: And that's who I'm talking about. So he is a, what you would say a, I guess a, a left leaning.

Reegs: They all are. I mean, it's, it's a, it's

Dan: editor though, but

Sidey: no, not, not

Reegs: apart from Woodward

Sidey: because he says near the end, he said, no, I'm

a Republican.

And

Reegs: do you see the look he gives him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sidey: But they, the problem

they have is because the movie's quite dense, but if you know, you watching investigative journalists, you know what they did was they fucking investigated.

So there's Millions of phone

Reegs: It's a procedural knocking down doors.

Sidey: What, what,

like

moves things along is this deep throat character. But before that it's just a lot of asking questions and then people giving the wrong answer or the answer you're not expecting, then that's a thread that they can pull

1. Yeah. And they just keep

following

this

Reegs: and, establishing the dynamic of Wood [00:33:00] Woodward and Bernstein as well, because

Sidey: they clash at first.

Reegs: clash at first, but Bernstein is perhaps the more talented writer of the two. So,

Sidey: He rewrites

Reegs: knows it and understands it when he rewrites the story and he realizes that he's as committed as he is to the truth.

Sidey: he he kind of

watches him as he is doing

it to his writing. Yeah.

And he's like, what's going on there? And then he goes over, and says like, what the fuck are you doing?

He says, well, I just from what you're saying, I can't understand if he does blah, whatever it

1. Yeah.

And he, he reads it back and he agrees to them.

He goes, I like what you, know, I agree with what I, agree with you. I just don't like the way you did

it.

And That's

that's their sort of introduction. after that. they, you know, say they, they are aligned on what they,

want to do. They're

Dan: put together to work together, aren't they? These two

Sidey: the problem they have,

Dan: been there 18 months, the other's been there nine months.

They're fairly junior in the big scheme of things. And this is beginning to be a big story. And when you've got the newspaper editors of sections and the decision makers all sat around in their weekly, monthly meeting or whatever there's. A little bit of [00:34:00] disagreement on who should run this story and who should go for

Sidey: they,

have a, they have a different problem as well because

they run a few stories, but it's still low level stuff to start off with. But they have to report into their, I dunno, depth editor,

And he has to report to the big boss. And the problem that they have is

that they have got

no one on record. It's just People saying something. Oh, I'll, I'll say that But straight off the record. and then when they start, 'cause woodward has had previous with this Deep Throat character.

Dan: Well, yeah. Which

Reegs: he tells 'em to follow the money.

That's really the main

Sidey: he he's like, I will not

tell you anything. If you tell me something, I'll tell you if you're on the right

track. by will not

fucking give divulge anything. So they can't get any So the, So the, editor's like, we're going out on a limb here. on something that's potentially,

Dan: will

Sidey: this point.

Dan: on the fucking record?

Sidey: Yeah. But they're having to put their newspaper on the line. for something that No one is actually on the record.

Dan: Well, that it, it, deep Throat being this. You know, gray kind of source that he's taken all kinds of [00:35:00] risks in trusting, but he does trust him and he says, look, he's on the right Path here. We, we just, you know, follow the money, follow this. And he, he's given him little bits. He obviously knows much more of the story and it must have been frustrating for him at the time, just getting little bits. But there would've been genuine fear because knowing how far this went up the chain of command then you realize, well fucking hell, they, people get in trouble for knowing what you know.

And those. You know the presidency's at stake

Reegs: Well, that Nixon hangs like a shadow over the movie 'cause they never name him and he's obviously not in it apart from archival footage. He's like a ghost that hangs over the whole movie, even though you about?

I mean during, there's so much to talk about and the plot is really dense, so we'll have to really not do it justice to skip through the main points, but there are a couple of things I just wanted to talk about. One is the, when they're doing the knocking down [00:36:00] doors and investigative journalism, a lot of names and scribing of stuff, the use of a split diopter, did you notice this to like the background and the foreground both in.

Focus like all the time. And then a lot of the time the conversation is moved on through their connections. Like, Bernstein goes and has, dinner with this girl that he knew there was a secretary somewhere, and there's noise of the airplanes. It's like the institutions in the world trying to drown out this story.

It's so big. And that technique is used over and over again with there's a time when Woodward is trying to do a really important phone call to this guy, Dahlberg actually that moves the plot on and he's almost drowned out by the office around him. That's all in focus and stuff. He's fucking great filmmaking man.

So he, in this crucial phone call this. Dahlberg guy that he's dropped down, that he's tracked down, has dropped the information that he was paid $25,000 by the committee for Reelecting Nixon. So now he's like, this is the fucking kind of, it really ties him now [00:37:00] into the White House basically. And how far up does it go?

Sidey: go? There's a slush fund, isn't it? They think it's just gonna be like.

For doing leaflets and whatever, but it's hundreds of thousands of

Dan: this ain't just for, for nice dinners

Reegs: No. And they find the former treasurer of this creep. It's, it

Sidey: yeah. It's like Hydra it?

Reegs: fucking hilarious. Sloan is his name, and he's finally someone that is gonna be subpoenaed and is, is maybe gonna say the right thing in public.

Dan: Well, there there's a few comedic moments where they're knocking on doors. They, they're getting nos, nos, nos. And finally get a yes. Yeah. Oh, have a coffee. Yeah. If realize, you're the wrong fucking person, they've just got a similar name and he is like, oh. And then they've got the lawyer as well who comes in and says, you know, sit down.

sits on

Sidey: he says, well, I'm probably gonna go to jail for this.

Dan: I'm gonna get disbarred at best, I'm probably gonna go to jail. All I, but I didn't really, you know, we did worse at college. You know, we, [00:38:00] we. We put out dirty stories. We, we told people that, you know, this happened and that happened, and just try to discredit and dirty and muddy the waters

Reegs: this the rat fucking are Yeah. Yeah. That's what they describe it

Dan: yeah. And he couldn't really understand how he was getting in trouble as much as he was for this, because as I said, he'd done worse at college. He'd done worse in other places, but realized this was actually on a different level. He was doing it now. And everybody's very,

Sidey: well scared,

Dan: scared,

Sidey: Yeah. They they meet a few people And you can see they're terrified. Because they know, you

know.

certainly their livelihoods will be all over, but you know that they get told, later on, your lives are in, in danger. But the story kind

of reaches

a, a point where it's too big without proper names and things.

to, So he, he Woodward goes to Deep Throat and says,

[00:39:00] listen, no more

bullshit.

You need to fucking tell me what you know. And, and

and

he like, why don't you do that stuff.

Dan: Yeah. He should have done that

Sidey: Yeah. because he he does spill the beans in more detail.

Dan: I, I suppose you

Reegs: Well, only because who, I mean we know now who Deep Throat was.

He

Sidey: it 2005 or something. that he officially

Reegs: out. He was the the FBI director at the time. Yeah. So, I mean he was clearly, you know, engraved danger.

Dan: Yeah. And in the know though that's why he trusted him so much because he

Sidey: so this goes all the way,

and every,

every intelligence agency is involved.

in And they're like, what the fuck?

Reegs: And the movie kind of, I mean, it sort of almost not fizzles out 'cause that does this a real

Sidey: say just accelerates

Reegs: it's, yeah, it kind of accelerates. Yeah. I guess it gets to the point where they realize their lives are under threat of fact. They have that amazing sequence where he goes to his. Bernstein's apartment and he can't talk to, they communicate through the typewriter.

Sidey: Turns the stereo up real

Reegs: turns the stereo real loud. 'cause it, that's how dangerous it's got. They've traced it all the way up, [00:40:00] essentially to pretty much Nixon himself at this point, because the movie does close. I mean, it's, it's done through that Classon guy and the relationship that he had with the other journalists, the female

Dan: journalist, well, they go to the editor's house and he, they tell him to come outside in the garden to talk.

And and the editor I really loved because. You could see that he wasn't convinced, but he was a newspaper man. He was a, he was a man for the truth. He was a man

Reegs: That's right. They cared about things like that. He

Dan: decided

Sidey: he also understands, he understands the implication of what they're doing.

because we're Going

after the first Amendment

rights here.

You know, our democracy is at risk. Yeah.

Dan: And he

Reegs: and we were gonna accuse the president of.

Dan: And the high, the highest, you know, the highest law authority before that, you know, the highest law authority in the land, the like Attorney general, we're gonna accuse him of being absolute fucking bullshit is so you need to make sure you got your fucking facts right and some can't go on fucking record like and you can [00:41:00] understand exactly where he's coming from because they believe it.

They know it in their hearts and in their. In their invest, but they don't have the facts. They don't have the proof, they don't have something. That's because the, it's difficult to get the smoking gun when the other side is hiding all the facts. But there seem to be a lot of people in and around the Republican party with integrity enough that say this wasn't right.

Sidey: The

good old dozer. Yeah. He's then writing

the final story.

As they're watching,

Reegs: it's again, they used to split octe.

You can see in the front, in the foreground, Nixon's inauguration, second inauguration. And as they write the story, that will bring him down in the background.

Sidey: And then

you get the great finale of the,

Dan: that's it

Sidey: just flashing up. All the

Reegs: all the people, there were so many, so many people did time.

Dan: they see all the people that, you know, the newspaper headlines and and the, the lines of. know, [00:42:00] people trouble people that Linda Johnson becomes, the

Sidey: Gerald Ford,

Dan: Gerald Ford even.

Sidey: The final rattle on the typewriter is, nixon. Resigned.

Dan: Nick, you say Nixon won't resign. Next one. Nixon resigns.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: And that's it. And then we run into to credits. And you can understand how this stole the Oscars in 76. Also the fact that it was done just 3, 4, 5 years or whatever it was after such a massive. Scandal is just amazing.

And as you said, res a lot of the, the filmmaking itself, you are watching it and you're like, fucking noise going on, but it just takes you out something and you ha you can hear everything, but you have to hear, make

you yourself concentrate

Reegs: point of

Dan: little

Reegs: trying to drown this story out and how hard they had to work to bring it out.

Dan: Brilliant, brilliant stuff [00:43:00] by Redford. I mean, he was fantastic. Great hair all

Sidey: Hair is immense. the the wardrobe. is Great. Him and

Reegs: Him and Hoffman have a, a great dynamic where it's not exactly buddies because they're very mismatched in many ways as a

Dan: professional colleagues

Reegs: just, they exactly colleagues, and they're working on this thing. He throws him a cookie and he's annoyed.

I don't want a cookie. He throws it away.

Dan: But the way they work out things together and the way they get excited over little threads that are pulling a little more out of the story.

Reegs: And then, like you said as well, like principled men having arguments about what they can publish because what can they prove and what is it right to say?

And all, like you said earlier as well, all this now, not meaning anything if they just did it. Like you just all be fucking hand waved away and nobody would give a shit.

Sidey: I mean, this like

what happened in the news this week, Kimel got

bent off.

for the reason

they're saying it's because of what he said about

Charlie Kirk. it's not, it's 'cause there's a merger happening and they need

to keep

Trump happening. On the other hand, you had Fox News saying kill all

[00:44:00] homeless people. Mm-hmm. And he didn't lose a job. And that's,

just, That's just the way it's now. it's just none of

Dan: Well, they just, I mean,

Sidey: could, this would never happen now

Dan: news back then it was, the newspapers are actually worth,

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: you know, the, the paper they were written on, because that was where you

Reegs: Post is still a pretty

Dan: Yeah. I, I think it is.

Sidey: by is another the one that's owned by, bezos. Bezos. And they, they did a, the front page we're endorsing KA Harris said, no, fuck that off.

We're neutral. So Everyone left everyone, all the subscribers, fucked them off. All the like, senior journalists, editors left.

Reegs: Well, Washington Post used to be a good,

Dan: but they'll get someone else.

And you know, they've got the name.

Sidey: Well, they're they're owned by Jeff. Bezos, so George. Bezos. So they, Yeah, but

Dan: but I mean,

Sidey: So they, they'll do what? he tells him.

Dan: you just kind of flood the, the market. Now what I'm saying, back in those days, papers were

You had clearer boundaries, more black and white.

Reegs: when news has been completely disintermediated and

Dan: It should been

Reegs: that citizen journal ship is

Dan: and [00:45:00] you dunno what to believe because it's just so much of it.

You're flooded. Your brain can't take it all in and they, that's a tactic

Reegs: And everything you've seen has been manipulated by someone in some way.

Dan: Everybody can, yeah, everybody can. Poo poo whatever headline, no matter how true it is, because there's enough false bullshit that's just close enough go, well look, it's

Sidey: but this, this is elite level, top tier. Fucking

Dan: the good old days though as well. Yeah, they

Reegs: film,

Sidey: Don't make 'em like this. anymore.

Dan: No. It's been a long time since I've see as you and you mentioned, sort of dense, the, the, the beginning of the, the storytelling, which makes this probably very difficult to, to run through the plot and everything.

But just the eye is dense. It is just really

Sidey: but it's Not, it doesn't, that doesn't hurt it.

Dan: No, not at all. No, I think it, it, it gives it more meaning through every scene, every.

Sidey: Strong cigarette content as well. H

Dan: Oh,

he does not stop. And

Reegs: He smokes in the [00:46:00] lift, doesn't he?

Dan: Is

there anywhere you don't smoke?

And he's like,

Sidey: I'm watching it going, I, I want to dress like that. You know?

Dan: I nearly stopped. Yeah. I wanted to smoke. I was like,

Reegs: and Hoffman, they right. He obviously Bernstein is a bit of a fucking player because a lot of the leads are generated through women that he knows. He just knows.

Sidey: lad.

Yeah.

Dan: I would say strong,

Sidey: strongest possible

Reegs: I really sincerely say strong recommend. If you haven't watched this or haven't seen it in a while, really just watch it again.

It's great.

Sidey: Yeah, I like to watch this periodically. once

every year, couple years. Yeah. Strong,

Strong, strong, strong.

Dan: All the bad downs,

Sidey: We might be on

highway hiatus next week.

Reegs: Yeah.

You are not here, are you?

Sidey: not here to edit or do anything, so, and we haven't prepped anything So you guys obviously

Dan: re-release,

Sidey: I might chuck some re releases

Dan: I wonder if somebody wants to share a re-release episode that they want us to rerelease Jake Al.

Reegs: were just, yeah,

Sidey: Yeah. That needs this numbers up.

Obviously you guys just record stuff and We have that in the locker,

but that's not

of any interest to anyone [00:47:00] listening.

So all that remains is to say society signing out.

Dan: Dan's

Reegs: and it's cy from Res.

Sidey: I like that one.