Twins & Barbie

Barbie

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, the podcast that is to coherent thought as conjoined twins are to personal space. This week we start things off by exploring the wonderful world of genetic photocopying as our top five twin segment promises to deliver twice the mediocrity you've come to expect. So that's good value, isn't it?

Our main feature, Caesar entering Barbie land in Greta Gerhig's Barbie, a movie that somehow makes a children's toy the vehicle for more existential dread than most French new wave cinema. It's basically the matrix If Neo wore a pink cowboy outfit and instead of learning kung fu, she discovered the patriarchy. Common decency requires me to warn you that there's frequently a lot of swearing around these parts. And if you're expecting intelligent discourse on the deconstruction of a franchise, it's cultural and political impact as a real world phenomenon and a powerful essay on modern femininity. Well, you've clearly never listened to the show before.

But for everyone else, it's time to introduce the genetic disasters that somehow survive to adulthood. Starting with Dan, he's an actual [00:01:00] twin, and he's older than the patriarchy ba barbies trying to dismantle. He gives fewer fucks than Ken's anatomically incorrect crotch.

Dan: Thank you. Yes. Warm welcome.

Reegs: Next up. It's handsome Chris. His film preferences are more limited than Barbie's. Career options were in 1959 and he approaches watching films with the same warmth. Most people reserved for a tax audit.

Yeah. And coming hard in third place. I'm sorry, that should be coming in hard in third place.

The man who's been stuffing Barbie full of things that definitely didn't come in the original packaging. It's sidey. Hello? And then there's me Riggs. Hello.

Dan: Hi.

Si. I've just noticed your socks.

Reegs: Oh

yeah. Ghostbuster's

Dan: Yeah, I like that. You know, it gets the seal of approval, which is the title of your T-shirt as well. It's full of logs today. A very,

Reegs: A lot of words.

Dan: Lot of words.

Cris: Well,

he is been on holiday, so you

Dan: he's

Oh, there you go. Yeah. He's been reading a book maybe.

Reegs: No, [00:02:00] no, no, no. But we did go to a as I told you earlier, a little naval reenactment battle. That was good.

Dan: Did you dress up?

Reegs: Yes. As an admir. I was the rear admiral.

Sidey: Did you go on the poop deck?

Reegs: Yes. Yeah.

Dan: He wasn't like the, the seamen stains or

Reegs: you wanna see my cut

Dan: master beta. I know, right? Okay. Good stuff.

Sidey: Evidently in re's absence, I think we said something wrong, a fact or something because Darren Lety was beside himself.

Dan: Oh, what did

Reegs: did he say? Oh, it's,

Sidey: I, I couldn't remember what it was in reference

Dan: if we don't have, if we don't have res here to,

Cris: mean, it would be any of us that can say all this random

Sidey: it's in, it's in the feedback section of our Discord channel and it just says Lanker share question mark.

Explanation my question mark. So we obviously, I guess there's something wrong. There are, it. Yeah. There are times when I'm listening back, when I'm doing the edit and I'm thinking, fuck that. Especially when I've said it, I'm right. That's not actually accurate at all. And yeah, all the time. But you know, this is like four idiots just spouting [00:03:00] stuff.

So, sorry Darren, we've obviously blundered along the way. It's not intentional. We're just idiots.

Cris: So what should have I said

should I, should I have

Sidey: I can't remember. I can't remember.

Reegs: Maybe.

Yorkshire.

Or le

Dan: sin. Yeah.

Reegs: could be.

Cris: hopefully that's the one.

Reegs: think that's

Sidey: Sussex,

Dan: I mean, to be fair, he, he is from Transylvania, so,

Reegs: who, Darren? No. Right. One thing extraordinary happened last week, I'm pretty sure. Did you say that you'd watched seasons two and three of Narcos Mexico?

Cris: Yes.

Dan: What?

Cris: Well, no, I I technically I did watch it, but actually I listened to it because

Sidey: I Oh, no, eyes.

Reegs: Oh, right. So you haven't ever actually

Cris: No, I, I kind of just listened to it because it was a time when I couldn't see, so it is, it, I

Reegs: so your record of never watching the second season of anything is still intact.

Dan: you what, as much as I, I, I laughed and disagreed. I'm starting to think that Chris actually got a point here, because I, yeah, I know. It's crazy. Some things, some things, not all, but he's, it's [00:04:00] ab actually more relevant than at first glance, you would

Sidey: Oh, there's 50% of things that I, I don't get even get past the first series. Exactly. I just tune out. That's But I'm not, not watching all the series of the wire or all the sopranos or, you know,

Dan: I started watching the recruit on Netflix, which was a series about a CI, a operative lawyer guy who's put into things.

They were just about long enough and the hooks were just about strong enough to make you watch the next episode, next episode.

And it started off at season two and I realized we hadn't got fucking anywhere and it could have just melted into, and I, I stopped. I just had to go. No, I

Reegs: you were committing to something was going nowhere. You

Dan: it's going too long. Not that I wasn't enjoying it, but I just thought,

Sidey: I've got time

Dan: does this end?

You know what I mean? I want an actual finish and this could go on forever. A happy ending. Exactly. So we didn't, we didn't, we didn't get [00:05:00] that. And I'm, yeah. You know,

Cris: I

I totally agree with, with with this, if there's gonna be something that I'm gonna be, oh my God, this is so good. Or, or if it's a, if it's a real life story that it's, or, or a, like he was saying earlier about a book that is such a good book that, or, you know, I, I watched the Con Monte Crystal, the series, I haven't finished it yet because I was too busy this week, but I, I'll watch it because I read the book and I really liked the book.

If Shogun would've had the second season because they didn't, they would've wanted to make us a second season, actually, based on the book, because it was such a big, like a,

Reegs: you'd have gone for it if I

probably

I'm pretty sure there is gonna be. 'cause it was a big hit, wasn't it?

Sidey: Yeah. I thought there was gonna be season two.

Cris: Well, you can't because it finished. Unless, no, unless the book, unless they just invent something because the book finishes as, but then I won't watch it because it's not. I don't care for them to make money with me, I want to watch it if it's, or if it's accurate with his, if they would've done the last dance and he would've had the second series, the last, last dance, I probably would've watched that [00:06:00] because it was good.

And it was based on real life. Yeah. But not, I dunno. So, so that's where

Dan: at. It is had me looking for limited series as much as anything else where I can say, you know, 4, 5, 6 episodes and it tells a great story. I've really enjoyed those. Blackberry was one that I watched a little while ago, which was really good.

There's the

Cris: Is that a the,

Dan: No, there's a, a, a short series on it as well. There was a Spotify one that I've mentioned a couple of times before that, that I really enjoyed. I did watch a film called The Amateur which is Remy

Reegs: Oh yeah.

Dan: Which is a Disney thing at the moment.

Cris: Oh. He's big on every, everywhere kind of pops up on my,

Reegs: he's got a twin.

Cris: Has he There

go.

Reegs: Yes. It'll come. You

Sidey: Yeah, he did. He did some fraud with his twin, didn't he?

Yeah. Or university stuff, I think. Yeah. Yeah. So that's,

Dan: you go. Never trust a twin is what I would say. Or at least one of them.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: What Riggs, you've been off for a fortnight? I

Reegs: I finished off the studio which I really liked.

Strong recommend [00:07:00] for that. Yeah, Seth, bro. Yeah. And if you like

Dan: Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is it?

Reegs: Yeah, it's great. It's really

Dan: because I,

wasn't sure, it didn't suck me in with the, the trailers or anything?

Reegs: No. Strong

Dan: what's the, what's the premise?

Sidey: Studio?

Reegs: yeah, he's, he runs Rogan is plays Matt Remnick.

He's like a studio head. He gets the job and he sort of wants to make art but ends up making like movies about Kool-Aid and that sort of thing. But yeah, it's sort of, it's got like a, quite a bitingly, cynical edge, everybody, you know, great. Unbelievable cameos in it. Really brilliant

Dan: cams.

Okay.

Reegs: Very funny.

I thought sort of tonally. Somewhere near Curb Your enthusiasm tonally not in the way it's shot or anything, but that sort of thing. and I also watched, now both of you guys had told me that this was shit, so I was determined to like it. 'cause on the idea that, you know, I'll give anything a chance.

Argyle.

Cris: Oh,

Reegs: Oh, I am sorry to say that. It was absolute garbage. No,

Cris: I told you

Reegs: [00:08:00] You did. But I know, but still, I consider myself open-minded and

Sidey: I, I'd only heard that it was gone. I haven't seen it myself. Oh,

awful.

I still hold out a little bit of hope for it 'cause I like Dua Lipa and

Cris: no man. I look, I, you know, why taste until now and I can be of different opinions with different things, but that is just not,

I,

I, just don't understand the purpose of it.

Reegs: It's such an ugly looking movie because it's all green screen

Cris: And you know what? That's a movie that if, if I would have someone with a camera and a green screen and someone with good kind of CGI effects and to put the, all that stuff behind us, even the acting looked like I acted, you know, when, when you have, you know, when they bring like a football player, like a, like an American

Sidey: A bad, bad cameo.

Cris: just like stiff and they don't even look natural.

Reegs: Yeah. And Bryce, Dallas, Howard. I like her, but no, this is not a good role

Sidey: So

didn't you start watching War of the Worlds?

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah.

I've watched that. It's

Sidey: I watched a whole lot.

Reegs: yeah. Well I've watched, I mean, I had it on in the background. It, it's impossible to watch. It's like having a Zoom [00:09:00] call really? 'cause that's basically what it is, but, oh man, that is so bad.

Sidey: It's, it's made, but it was really peaking in terms of how awful everyone thought it was.

Yeah. It made the front page of the like PBC website about I hate watching,

Reegs: It's, it's, right, right. And also the, the plugs for Amazon in it are just fucking amazing. Like one of the main plot points is about like Amazon drones and stuff.

Cris: Oh, is that the one with Ice Cube? The Oh

Reegs: Amazon Prime, like gets a pimp halfway through, shouts out like, let's move to Amazon Prime or something.

You like, why are you fucking

Sidey: fucking Bezo has got Paper. His wedding just said don't he?

Reegs: Oh man. Ice Cube. Yeah. I'm sorry. No, no.

Sidey: Hard. No

Reegs: Strong recommend for that then.

Sidey: Cool. I thought I must have watched some stuff, but I just can't remember. I can't remember any of it. Oh no.

I watched Superman.

It

Reegs: I didn't think you would.

Sidey: was only Okay. I liked it. It was better than I, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would 'cause I was like a little bit cynical going into it, but I liked him a Superman. I didn't like the whole clone thing.

Dan: You went to the cinema suit?[00:10:00]

Sidey: suit.

No, I watched at home.

Reegs: Yeah, it's out now.

Dan: Oh right,

Sidey: And it did just descend into a, you know, CGI

but, you know, the whole landscape was like blocks, little QB block things.

Reegs: Yeah. It was like they're fighting in Tetris

world.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Oh, I was

Sidey: I also just don't, he's never been my favorite superhero Superman. 'cause he's.

Invincible. Really. So who cares? Much of a, you know,

Reegs: there was much less of this sort of brooding dark god of

Snyder's

Sidey: and happy go lucky.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Which I, I definitely prefer that. I didn't like the Snyder verse. This is, you know, more tone, you know, like it is James Gunn, so it's gonna be funny

Reegs: it was like a cartoon really,

Sidey: It was Comic Faithful. Yeah. Like Nathan Ian's green Lanterns. Heck, that was exactly like the comic. Yeah. And awful. And they like, he gets slagged off for it in the film. It was quite funny. The dog was probably the standout.

Reegs: Mr. Terrific. I liked, I thought he was good.

Sidey: Yeah, he was good. Yeah. I, I enjoyed it more than I thought it was gonna, but that was all I watched, I

Cris: Yeah, same. I, I didn't watch anything. I was out for dinners [00:11:00] and all, all

Dan: sorts of,

Cris: And I was working every day this week, so,

Reegs: and you were having it large at the club on

Cris: I went, yeah, at a festival. Wonky Town Festival. Here's a plug for you. Amazon. Which, well, it is done now anyway, but I did enjoy it. I went by myself.

It's a nice setup. It wasn't very busy and I did enjoy it. I knew he's gonna stop the music. It was a, it was a DJ called Follow More. He is a French dj which I quite enjoy his music. And I knew he's gonna stop at half, 10 and

Sidey: z curfew

Cris: 10 minutes. Yeah, because it's up at the four noise and all that. And I, I slowly, I was not right in front, but I was kind of fairly in the middle of it, let's say.

And it's like 10 minutes to go. I was like slowly just backed off. Backed off. And when he stopped the music, people were like, I want more, blah, blah, blah. You know, the usual stuff. He's not gonna do anything. He said, that's the cutoff time. That's it, mate. He's just packing and

Sidey: going. He doesn't lose his fee.

Cris: Yeah. And, and I was like, right, I must have been the third person that went out.

I was just like, as soon as this finished out was like right straight home, [00:12:00] shower bed. That's it. Nice.

Sidey: Nice. Yeah.

Cris: So yeah, that was, that was that. I didn't have time for anything else. I tried to watch the football a little bit, fell asleep for most of it.

Reegs: West Am was it?

Cris: Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, although Jared Ball played well.

Dan: Yeah.

Okay. But look, it's a movie thing, you know, is we don't have to talk football,

Sidey: Should we talk about twins first?

Reegs: Let's talk about

Dan: do that.

Cris: Yeah. Come on, let's do that.

Dan: Twins. Right. Well, it's Riggs is big week, but I am a twin.

Reegs: I was about to say, you should start for that

Dan: So, well, I'm gonna say twins. The, the film, the classic film DeVito and Schwartzenegger, like all

Sidey: identical twins.

Dan: Not identical twin, not identical twins,

Cris: was great casting though. I couldn't tell who was who really.

Dan: as I am also, yeah.

Not a, an identical twin.

Reegs: Oh, it's fraternal. Is that the is that

Dan: non-identical There probably is words for it. I think there is,

Sidey: he get the looks then?

Dan: he got the looks, the height and the intelligence. I got the rest. Yeah. Which [00:13:00] is say a

Cris: there's not much.

Dan: but

Reegs: It's always an evil twin, isn't there? And that

Dan: Well, maybe I may, may. Maybe I got that. Well maybe we both got that. We, we have a dose. But obviously twins was the huge, was it nineties hit? I

eighties.

Was it eighties? Nineties? I think it must've been nineties because

Reegs: 19 90,

Sidey: 89.

Dan: I'll go like Ooh, you're in, you're It is, it's late eighties.

And so I was 11 and I think I probably watched this when I was 12 then. 'cause we wouldn't have gone to the cinema and watched it. We'd wait till it maybe even 13 by the time it came out on tv.

Reegs: They're the product of of well, Schwartzenegger is the product of an experiment to

Dan: combine.

Well, they both? are.

they don't

Reegs: don't really know how this works. They like from six Amazing Men. They show them. Don't they like reading books and lifting

Sidey: That's why Mr. Universe

Reegs: Do they all jizz in a cup and then they stir it up and then they that's what they impre.

Dan: I I think it's a little more technical than that, but let's say [00:14:00] yes. And and Schwarzenegger came

Sidey: But doesn't that, isn't that just like a firings squad? You dunno which bullet.

Reegs: Yeah, exactly. I don't really,

Sidey: still just one sperm. Does it

Dan: they weren't exp they weren't expecting twins. And DeVito was the other one. He got sent off to like an orphanage and Schwartzenegger went to a Paradise Island where he was taught lots of different languages and,

Sidey: like famous

Dan: all the best of things.

And as the film develops you, you start seeing you know, them both scratching behind their ear at the same time,

Reegs: so, I, they're so similar.

Dan: so similar. They're so similar, but I mean, it was brilliant. Carson

Reegs: he's also a virgin as well, isn't he in this movie?

Dan: He is, yeah.

Reegs: by whoever that is. She was really hot.

Dan: She was really hot. And the DeVito's like a schema. He's got lots of deals going on and

Yeah,

he's, he's constantly within you know, the. Outside the law and looking [00:15:00] for a bargain or a scam somewhere. Whereas his brother Julius, I think he's called his brother is absolutely straight and very gullible and innocent.

And certainly when it comes to his brother can't believe that it would do any wrong. And he's, he's very incredulous when, when something's going on. And, and, and naive for sure, it was full of laughs when I was around 12, 13. I haven't seen this.

for a little while.

We did it for the pod. I think I enjoyed it for the pod. I mean, it's not something that I would go back to again in a big rush, but if you're talking twins, it's gotta be

Sidey: Riggs

Reegs: well, I'm gonna go with perhaps the most famous twins of all time. And they weren't even twins. The Grady Twins from The Shining. They were actually sisters explicitly described in the movie as being eight and 10, so definitely not

Sidey: Right. Okay. I didn't

Reegs: But they are at the sort of center of that iconography of the creepy twins, aren't they?

With their matching [00:16:00] outfits standing in front of elevators

Sidey: for Danny Torrance getting spooked by them.

Reegs: Yeah. There's

Sidey: the, this great scene, great acting of Jack Knon and the fella, the,

the

sort of butlery servant type in the, in the lu, the bright red lu, and he's, I can't

He, he's describing it and he says, I, I had to correct them with a hammer. Oh

Reegs: Oh, yes. He was the former owner, wasn't he? I've got it. Oh Delbert, Grady.

Sidey: Yeah. He, yeah, Grady. That's it. And yeah, he'd obviously brutally murdered them as part of the haunted thing that was going on in that place. Yeah.

Reegs: But not even twins, even though we think of

Sidey: them as

I, yeah.

I always think I didn't know that. I always thought they were twins. Cool

How about we, we like a Simpsons one. Patty and Selma.

Reegs: Yeah. Oh,

Dan: Oh,

Sidey: They hate Homer. And Homer puts up, I don't even think Homer hates them.

Dan: I don't

think Homer has

Sidey: they, they definitely don't, they definitely don't like Homer, but he sort of, doesn't like having

Reegs: having, he doesn't really want them around.

Yeah,

Sidey: But he sort of tolerates them. And there's lots of mad Cat pursuits and [00:17:00] one of the memorable ones is when they have to lend him some money making him bark like a dog and whatnot. And I think the IU gets illuminated by the fish tank, doesn't it? And it gets outed and yeah, that was a good one.

Patty and Selma.

Cris: Yeah. I've got a pair of twins that are actually not twins, but they

Reegs: just people,

Cris: well they are people, but they're not actually brothers. They have been made to look alike in Sherlock Holmes. A Game of Shadows we did for the pod. And there's by plastic surgery. Yeah. Yeah. There's these two guys that at, at one point, as part of the, of their deduction of the plot is that the, the guy must had plastic surgery because,

Reegs: look

Cris: because those twins were not twins because they did something that wasn't, so, someone made plastic

Reegs: they made themselves look like a twin, even though false twin.

That's mad kind of

Dan: The false nine

Cris: So, so it's, so it's twins that are not actually twins, not even identical or fraternal.

Dan: [00:18:00] Okay.

I, well, I, I like that 'cause I can build on that with my next example of twins and it's, it's a Cessna plane with its twin engines. Nice. And it's been featured in many, many films.

I think James Bond has had its fair share of in

Reegs: Oh, is it the one with the, the wings

Dan: are the double engines. Yeah. And it's and I, I would say

Cris: Very technical

Dan: because yeah, well that's how it sounds. Great impression every, anybody knows. And Pete will know because it features in Con Air.

You've got the Cessna 1 51 52 models featured in the film. And anybody who knows their cessna's will be absolutely

Cris: Yeah. It's our learner airfield in Conair.

It's, it's really good. It, it's a white wind, red stripes on it. It's

Reegs: Chris knows it's cessna's.

Dan: People will be keeping their numbers high up on Cessna content.

Cris: Yes.

Sidey: for sure.

Reegs: Are you interested in a few actors? You sound a bit twinie. Yeah. UL lre twin owner, rider Prick, Swayze, Tupac, cloney, [00:19:00] Todd matchy McConaughey and identical Al Pacino.

terrible, isn't it?

Dan: doubled up with laughter here.

Reegs: I got some actual Hollywood twins that you might not know Were twins if you're interested in

Sidey: real ones. Yeah.

Dan: on.

Reegs: I have got Eva Green has a twin sister of Joy Green. She's blonde and married to an Italian count. They didn't get on for a long but they are non-identical twins. Scarlet Hansen.

hunter He was a political speech writer for Obama.

Dan: thought you were saying to Hunter. I didn't know. Right. That's

Cris: Oh, is that a man twin like a brother.

Reegs: Man.

Sidey: dude. Yeah, it's a

Dan: man. Twin

Reegs: Keer Sutherland. Rachel Sutherland is his twin. She works in the production department of a Canadian TV show. Joseph finds and Jacob finds,

Cris: there's quite a few of these finds. I'm bit confused with

Reegs: There's all the brothers and then there's these two are twins as well, but only one of them's an actor.

The other one's an environmentalist slash

Dan: I guess it's twice as nice, isn't

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: isn't it? Yeah. Linda Hamilton and her sister who famously stood in for her in the Terminator [00:20:00] stuff that can make those scenes easy. Vin Diesel

has a twin, Paul Vincent. they're non-identical. And then as we talked about at the beginning, Rammy Malik and his brother Sammy Malik, that sounds, and looks very similar to the extent that they swapped identities in a Greek geo classical exam thing.

Yeah.

Sidey: brother to cover for him

Reegs: a And he, yeah. So they

Sidey: he he outed himself on Graham Norton for that story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're

Reegs: So some they're real life celebrity twins.

Cris: Okay.

Sidey: What about Mary Kate and Ashley? The Olsons

Reegs: there's not many act like normally they just get one actor and they duplicate them rather than finding twins that are actors.

'cause there aren't that many acting twins. I had them and the two guys out The Matrix.

Sidey: Yeah. The, the blonde dreadlock ones. Mary Kay and Ashley. So they were obviously child stars and then I think they became, you know, there's that thing about when [00:21:00] they reached their legal age and their website's counting down. It's so

Reegs: hypersexualized. There was one, what was her name? Little Tate, I think is a girl in the public eye in America who's just turned 18, I think, and has done an only Vans thing. Like

Sidey: yeah. And there was

Reegs: and it was like the biggest only Vans thing of also

Sidey: Charlotte Church. I remember her winning, winning Rear of the year.

Yeah. And she was like a child. You're like, fucking hell. So Mary Kay. And actually they were like super, super famous. Like, like Disney Channel

Cris: They were in full house.

Sidey: Yeah. And then, then they had video games and they had this whole fucking like, mad empire. I mean, they were so, so famous. Just super, super fucking rich.

Reegs: And then their sister is the one who's the real

Sidey: She's gone on to be the actress. They, they are fashion designers to, to what extent? I, I couldn't really tell you. It's not really a world that I'm familiar with what I'm wearing, but,

Reegs: but their sister, oh, Elizabeth Olson was one half of a twin in the Marvel

Sidey: Yeah. They Quicksilver was her brother. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. Pietro and Wanda [00:22:00] Maximov.

Sidey: That's right. Yeah. Wow. So there go, it's good Olson content. Mm-hmm.

Cris: Very good. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's three of them that we know of. And the Iceman, is it called? Quicksilver? Iceman Yes. A film that has a twin in it, and it's played by the same actor and it's I can't really remember the year in which is portrayed to be happening this film, but he. Plays King Louis

14.

Sidey: 14. Oh Man. Of the Iron. Yes. Gorilla. Yeah.

Cris: And King Louis and Philippe. The man with a iron mask is Leo DiCaprio.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Yeah.

And he is, there's excellent costume.

Reegs: I've seen it. I'm just trying to remember it, but

Cris: Well, it's a, it's kind of like a, I would say it's almost like a three musketeer kind of vibes, but they rescue the, the, basically they find out that there's a brother in prison in Bastille, in France, and he's the identical twin [00:23:00] of the king.

And they find out that the king is actually miserable in his role as a king. Yeah. And they do a swap. And I think it's to do with anonymous, they go and rescue. The brother from prison, I can't remember. They, they take him outta prison in a, like a laundry basket or, or, or they take him on a boat and something like that.

And, and he actually has an iron mask, which they have to break because I've seen

Reegs: I've seen

Cris: don't, doesn't, they don't want to people to realize that he looks. Exactly. And towards the end, the last, I'm gonna say the last half an hour, last 20 minutes, it shows a bit of montage of how they teach him how to behave.

Because obviously he's been in prison for like how many years and he, when he

Reegs: with the heavy iron mask on. Yeah.

Cris: When he replaces the actual king, he needs to know his mannerism and how

Reegs: he can't be flinging shit at the walls

Cris: exactly. Yeah, exactly. He can't just poke his finger

Reegs: how strong your neck muscles have be after wearing an iron mask all

Dan: He like Mike Tyson iron Mike,

Cris: so I'm, I'm having that in a film. He's, he's [00:24:00] not an actual, like real twin, but he, he did play one. So I'll, I'll take that please

Dan: I dunno if side was gonna mention Twin Peaks because that would've been,

Sidey: it's

on my list. Yeah,

Dan: on your list. I'll leave that for you then.

Sidey: Crack on.

I

because there's no actual twins in it per

Dan: no, it's just, it's just the name. Do you ever remember a film called Stuck on you?

Reegs: Yes. Yes. The Farley

Sidey: I was gonna say the Fary ones. Yeah.

Dan: and,

Sidey: conjoined.

Dan: yeah, and j Greg Nia. Yeah. I like him. I, I don't think this became a particularly,

Sidey: it's one of the forgotten ones really, isn't

Dan: And but before that they had freaks, I dunno, that was the very old movie around about 1932, I think. And it was in a circus. And they were all these kind of side show different, you know.

Lady with a Beard

Cris: Right. Yeah,

Dan: man. And, and one of the the [00:25:00] acts if you like, was these conjoined twins as well. I saw that as a kid, that movie, and I think I mentioned it in previous pods, and it's kind of just one of those things that just sticks for you, whoa, whoa. How have they even, you know, filmed this?

Then it just looked really, really scary. And I thought, there it is. Twins. I, I've got a couple more, but I'll wait till it comes around again.

Reegs: Well, what got me thinking of twins this week? 'cause I was thinking about twin films, you know, that's the twin film phenomenon is when the two studios released the two films that have very similar plots or whatever within a,

Sidey: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Reegs: space of time.

That's, I was just, if that's your go-to example, isn't it? The go volcano in Dante's Peak, the first such example in 1920, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and the identically named Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. One starring John Barry Moore and one starring Sheldon

Sidey: Lewis. Ah, Michael's dad.

Reegs: Yeah. That was the first example. Notable, but there are [00:26:00] some other interesting ones.

Dr. Strangelove, in 1964 had a film called Fail Safe. Come out the same year both films concerning the accidental launching of a US nuclear attack on the Soviet Union.

Sidey: that'd be a good double-headed to watch

Reegs: I think so, wouldn't it? Canine Turner and Hooch. Remember that one as a kid.

Sidey: John Belushi was the canine, wasn't

Reegs: it?

Was that canine? Yeah. And Turner Hooch was Hanks. Yeah. Yeah. 1492 Conquest of Paradise was Je Gerard Depo, dear and Armand Desant that came out the same year as Christopher Columbus which was the Marlon Brando and Tom Sellek one that was 1992 and also

Dan: And Sellek. There's two that you wouldn't put together,

Reegs: you'd like that.

Yeah.

Dan: I mean. Selex Mustache was just so strong back in the day, wasn't

Reegs: It was, it

Dan: it was up there with, I mean, Magnum pi, it, you couldn't really beat that as a Tash. Yeah. So full.

Sidey: it's iconic.

Dan: Yeah.

Yeah.

Reegs: So also carry On. Columbus was released in that year and recent ones, [00:27:00] Pinocchio in 2022, and Guillermo Del Toro's

Sidey: oh yeah.

Reegs: the same year.

Dan: You Lie

Reegs: Twin film?

Twin films.

Sidey: I've got some musical ones if you'd like.

Anyone remember the song, lifestyles of the Rich and the Famous.

Reegs: Lifestyles of the Rich and the Fame? Was that from the Malcolm in the middle of

Sidey: of the rich? Awful. Absolutely awful. That band was called Good Charlotte.

Josh Homme from Queensland Stone Age referred to 'em as Good Toilet Once, which is really funny. But the twins in that band, Benji and Joel Madden. Then of course you have the Proclaimers. Charlie and Craig

Reed. And who could forget John and Edward Grimes.

Reegs: Grimey.

Sidey: Grimey. Oh, G Grimmy as he like to be known.

Grimey anyone know what their alter ego is?

Reegs: John and Edward Grimes.

Sidey: It's Jed Edward.

I was say

Dan: I was about to say, I was gonna go Ross as well.

Isn't it the other one,

isn't it Matt and Luke Goss?

Sidey: There's another good one, but I'm gonna hold that back in case my nom gets stolen. But you mentioned Twin Peaks and it has Twin in the title. They aren't. [00:28:00] Explicitly twins in it, but there is obviously it's Laura Palmer who's found dead, and her exact Doppler goer cousin Maddie turns up to drive the plot along later on.

And there is a duality throughout the whole plot of the Black Lodge, the White Lodge, the e, the, the Midge and the Giant and all that sort of stuff. That, so twinning, it's like, it is

Reegs: recurring themeing

Sidey: Recurring theme

in it. Yeah. And it's fucking great. Obviously.

Cris: I've got a few. There's Christian Bale in the Prestige.

Reegs: Yeah, that's a good one. That

Cris: plays

Dan: was gonna be a nom,

Sidey: that was,

Reegs: that's, that's an interesting one because he spends the whole time pretending twins pretending to be one

Cris: One person, yeah.

Sidey: to the wife.

Reegs: Even to the wife

Cris: so, I dunno, sorry, I didn't mean to upset

Reegs: No, it's just every, everybody thought that was a good

Cris: Oh,

Sidey: I, I had it as my norm, but don't worry, I've got another

Cris: Okay. And who could forget John called Van Dam in Double Impact.

Reegs: I,

couldn't forget that, Chris.

Cris: I would never forget that. That's, that's the unforgettable. And another one that we, we value and we love is Jackie Chan. [00:29:00] Yes. And he plays a twin in Twin

Reegs: Twin Dragons.

Cris: is twins in the movies. And he's.

Reegs: Do you remember the pro, the plot of that

Cris: they separated at birth?

Reegs: And one is a classical music composer and the other is a mechanic.

It's amazing.

Cris: Amazing. Yeah, it's obviously Jackie Chan really soft-hearted and he's got a light touch and I've got just my norm, which I'm going to keep because I quite like this guy. So I'll, I'll keep that for my,

Sidey: Well

Dan: Okay. Well, I'm gonna go straight into nos because I'm scared that somebody's gonna take my Wiley kit and Wiley cat from Thundercats.

Oh, that is strong. Can you beat that norm? Because they were obviously huge characters in everybody's youth that watched one of the best ever cartoons. Thundercats, it's one of the few cartoons I bought on DVD after my kids were born, so

Sidey: it wasn't as good as you

Dan: they could see it as well. And yeah, it was [00:30:00] kind of a little disappointed, but I fully invested in the DVD by that stage and, but they liked it probably.

Oh,

Reegs: ho.

Dan: yeah, it was brilliant. And Wiley kitten, Wiley Cat, who didn't play. That much importance in the,

Sidey: they comic like

Dan: they were comic

Sidey: Yeah. Like tbo

Dan: Occasionally they

Reegs: remember them

Dan: They, they, they did get involved in a few battles though.

Sidey: same as Orco and He-Man and t Bob and Ma

Dan: they were there. They were there. So Wiley, kit, Wiley Kat,

Reegs: shout.

Dan: my norm.

Cris: Wow.

Reegs: Just a couple of honorable mentions. The Great Muppet Caper has a fantastic running gag in which Fozzie and Kermit is supposed to be twins and people can only tell them apart when Fozzie takes his hat off, which is a good one.

Donald and Charlie Kaufman in adaptation this is Spike Jones, one Nick Cage playing Charlie Kaufman who writes himself very much thematically on a sort of linked with Tristan Shandy that

Sidey: we did.

Yeah.

Reegs: midweek, that [00:31:00] he's trying to adapt a story and can't do it, so ends up

Sidey: is right his block, isn't it? Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. And so just my nom, which is going to be Jack and Jill. Adam Sandler plays Jack Stein. He's an advertising executive, and every year he dreads his sister, Jill Stein, also played by Sandler,

Sidey: so horny to

Reegs: stay. And his boss is Al Pacino. And wouldn't, you know, he falls in love with Adam Sandler?

Is

Sidey: It's Jill.

Reegs: Yeah, so it's a, I

Dan: not seen that.

Reegs: don't, it's awful.

Cris: I was gonna say, that is not a good film.

Reegs: It's a real time capsule. It's got both a pre transitioned Kaitlyn Jenner and a pre-con convicted Jared Fogle, the guy from Subway who

Sidey: Oh, Peter.

Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

great, great content

Reegs: awful, and full of scumbags. So, yeah.

Sidey: James and Oliver Phelps, remember them?

Phelps. The Phelps Native Weasley. They're the Weasley. Yeah.

Reegs: Are they really? I just guessed that

Sidey: they are. Yeah, they're the weasley. Anyone? A [00:32:00] big fan of incest? Luke and Leia are twins and they fuck

Reegs: Right. But I was gonna talk about, they've gotta be like, although they're two really famous characters, it's almost incidental that they're twins, isn't it?

It's

Sidey: but they are, they

Reegs: did it once and went, oh, by the way, they're twins.

Sidey: They did a lot of that sort of thing.

Dan: It's a weird one to write into the plot. Why would you even

Sidey: Well, it just makes you realize that they wasn't all set out.

Reegs: I know. And the

Sidey: was making up as they go

Reegs: fucking mental for that sort of thing these days, but they tolerated it back when they

Sidey: kissed. Yeah, they kissed, they, they didn't really, maybe they fucked off screen, but they definitely kissed on screen.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: He fingered her. He fingered her.

Sidey: Yeah, I know. I, I remember that bit as well. But my norm is going to be

Tintin. tin. 'Cause it's twofold. It's twofold. Got

Dan: the detectives.

The tho

Sidey: twins, the bumbling idiot detectives. Oh yeah. And then there's the band, the Thompson twins, Dr. So yeah, you get two, we get four for two there.

Reegs: Have you seen the Spielberg one?

Sidey: Yeah. I wish it recently actually. It's good. It's good. Yeah. I really like it. Yeah, it's good.

Dan: Spielberg what?

Sidey: Tin 10. Tinted animated one. It was, it [00:33:00] was made to be 3D, but 3D never took off.

Dan: How recent?

Reegs: isn't not that?

Sidey: last 10, 15 years

Dan: Oh yeah. No, I watched

Sidey: good. It, so Simon Peg and Billy Elliot do does tin his voice and I think the Thompson twins are Simon Peg and Nick Frost, and he's West Ham.

So there you go. He can get into it from

Reegs: then

Cris: well, I'll tell you this Segue is really nicely into the West end of London with a film called Legend and The Cray Twins.

Sidey: course. Ah, the Crays. Yeah.

Cris: Which was played by the same actor. So he's not

Sidey: oh, I've got another one like that. Go on.

Cris: He's not a, he's not a twin. He's, he's just by himself. But he plays twins and he plays Reggie and

Reegs: Ronnie,

Cris: Ronnie and I can't remember which one is the paranoid schizophrenic gay one, but he's my favorite character.

It is just amazing.

Reegs: Ronnie was the nut job,

Dan: wasn't he? There was yeah,

Cris: yeah. Reggie was the one that was more levelheaded. Ronnie was the one that was mental.

Dan: fantastic

Cris: came here for a shootout.

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. And that's it.

Cris: He, I, I like that film, which

Reegs: He's brilliant in it.[00:34:00]

Cris: it is quite dark and obviously these guys are not nice people, so he probably tried to,

Dan: he leaves disappointed, doesn't he?

Because they didn't bring the right weapons to a shootout.

Cris: they came with knives

Reegs: Bringing a knife, doesn't he? Yeah, he's not impressed.

Cris: he does kill them all anyways, regardless. But yeah, that, because I quite like Tom Hardy and, and he's been in quite a few good films that I liked and he's been in Moland recently and I really like that. So that's my norm.

Sidey: And the social network does does

Cris: Ah, yes, there's the

Sidey: hammer play both of the Vinkl

Reegs: yeah, he does.

Sidey: And he's sound.

Reegs: yeah, he completely normal. So.

Sidey: need

Dan: you, you had just as an on on, because if you can't mention the Muppets every now and again, then what's it all about? You had the great Muppet caper.

Kermit the Fog and Fozzie the Bear are identical twins and and budding journalists despite looking nothing like each other. Yeah. I,

Sidey: I liked if Riggs talked about it. Yeah.

Dan: But I just thought it was better 'cause I just read it.[00:35:00]

Sidey: Yeah, it was good both times. Really. Yeah. But we do need one extra. So let let us know your

Reegs: it doesn't have to be one we've already done, but if you want

Dan: if

you wanna mention that one again. Well, that's

Sidey: it.

Go right ahead. There's no rules for this game.

 Barbie.

Reegs: Yeah. I've not seen either of the Barb and

Heimer

or now I've seen one half it, but I hadn't seen both.

Yeah, I know most people have.

Dan: You've not seen the Oppenheimer? No.

Reegs: So, you never know.

Sidey: Drops the bomb.

Dan: It was obviously this was the big cinematic release,

Sidey: marketing campaign Yeah. Of two completely disparate

Dan: what was it called? Barbie Heimer. Yeah. Bar and Heimer.

Sidey: Both did over Port Manto. Both did over a bill. Yes. Great. Port Manto both did over a bill.

Giving away the numbers for later.

Dan: I think Barbie was leading that though if

Sidey: I, I didn't

Dan: come up Trump's on the awards.

Sidey: do not think that Oppenheimer would've done a billion without the support of

Reegs: Barbie, but Barbie will have done a billion on

Sidey: own. Both Paul would've done. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah, and [00:36:00] like both those movies kind of carried the whole of

Sidey: the world,

Reegs: the

Sidey: cinematic world.

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah. For like a, yeah, a good chunk of time.

Dan: It just goes to show what clever marketing can do

Reegs: and good films. Let's see.

Dan: Well, let's see, let's find out, I mean, because we are obviously

Sidey: this is, so this movie has, I think, one of like a really, really great opening sequence. I love it. I think it's brilliant.

Yeah. Yeah.

They, they used it for the trailer, but if you hadn't seen the trailer, it starts off with a voiceover. It's Helen Muren talking about Barbie. And and we see some girls, and if you know cinema, you recognize it straight away. It's a, it's a 2001 pastiche. Yeah. And then all of a sudden a gigantic massive Barbie statue

Reegs: in the voiceover. She's saying like, thanks to Barbie, all the problems with feminism and equal rights have been solved in the

Sidey: world. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And then we get the little kiddies going up and, and, and getting up the courage to touch Barbie. And then we see them like, like [00:37:00] the chimps and to them was smashing their doll into the floor, not the bits fan.

It was brilliant. Really good.

Reegs: And there's the sort of dissolve from the spinning doll into the title as well. Just, yeah,

Dan: yeah, and if you

thought that you were just gonna get a, you know, a film for 10, 12-year-old girls going into

Sidey: it does work on that level, I think, but

Dan: it, it kind of does, but I think Greta Gerwig was never gonna

Reegs: this is not really a kid's

Dan: No, it was, it was never gonna pander just to that market. It was gonna have a deeper meaning. And but how do you tap into that? How do you make it feel. More important than just a Barbie doll. And yeah, well, she, she kind of does, because there's big themes going through this

Sidey: we go straight to Barbie world

Reegs: We do, yeah. Barbie Land is a sort of matriarchal utopia.

Sidey: for the song is brilliant.

Reegs: Yeah. What's it called? I

Sidey: I can't remember. But it's describing everything that you see on screen.

Reegs: Right. And the production values are off the [00:38:00] charts for this.

It is a really faithful recreation of the Barbie toys

Sidey: to the percentage house. The poten, the percentage size of her compared to the house. So if you've got the Barbie Dream House and Barbie, it's like they did it down to like,

Dan: well, I think they made the whole set. They didn't AI this stuff? No,

Sidey: No, no, no. It's all

Reegs: physical

Dan: made physical sets. Yeah.

Reegs: a lot of gags in camera, you know, and too many, almost to mention, lots of sight gags about, you know, how they drink or how they move off the side of the screen and reappear

Dan: There's no water is there,

Sidey: She showers. There's nothing there then. And then Helen Mein says, oh, in Barbie world, no one goes down the stairs. You just get lived. And we see, I just float down. Yeah. So that's sort, they explain the physics of it

Reegs: and they're doing this big song where all the Barbies living together are waving to each other morning.

But Hi Barbie. Hi Barbie. Hi Barbie. Hi Barbie.

Sidey: This is, this is Alan.

Reegs: Yeah. And and all the Kens

Sidey: About the pregnant lady and said Don't look at her. She got discontinued. Yeah. Lots.

Reegs: clever Barbie [00:39:00] gags. And they're also sort of talking a bit about the society because all of the positions of power are held by

Sidey: presidents.

Lady. Everyone's a Barbie.

Reegs: Yeah, everyone's a Barbie. And we meet the Kens as well. There are

sort of,

Sidey: Ken. He's only happy when Barbie looks at him. Yeah. And that's a meme now. And I saw one today and it's Travis Kelsey. And he's smiling because Taylor looking at

Barbie's Ken's only happy when Barbie looks at him.

Brilliant.

Reegs: Their sort of sole reason to be is to attract Barbie. And they're a kind of idiot subservient, underclass. The men

Dan: they, do beach.

Reegs: they do beach. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah, that's right. They're absolutely just there to

Sidey: well, they're completely superficial. They're the idiots. Do you know what I mean?

Reegs: They're shown to be kind of dimwitted and petty and a bit jealous and all that sort of stuff.

And anyway, there's this big dance party and all that sort of stuff, and they go to bed and then they kind of get up and do it all again. Right.

Sidey: Well, [00:40:00] Ryan Gosling's, Ken says to Barbie, what are you doing tonight? She goes, oh, nothing. Just having all the girls around for a mega dance blowout. You should come over.

And then she's seen dancing. Everyone's started this big dance number. They're having a great time. And she says, does anyone ever think about death? And everyone's like, oh, the music. Just that sort of scratch and stop. And everyone sort of looks around and she's like, I mean,

Dan: dying.

Sidey: She, she, she, I'm dying to see what happens at this party.

And it all like

Reegs: jumps, carries

Sidey: because see, she's just. Having these thoughts that are not normal for her.

Reegs: Yeah. and

Dan: and overnight she's kind of,

Sidey: the next day everything that we've seen her do, that first day goes wrong. She burns her waffle. She the, she burns the water's cold in the shower. Everything's like slightly, everything's a bit amis

Reegs: Yeah. more

Dan: the classic perfection

Sidey: The Tarantino moment. Yeah.

Cris: The

Reegs: the foot thing is the real thing. 'cause she obviously, she stands on those impossible arches that Barbies have. But now she's standing flatfooted

Sidey: and she shows the other Barbies and they all freak out Flatfooted. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And they say, well, there's nothing, there's one thing for it.

You're gonna have to go and see Weird [00:41:00] Barbie.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: it's quite good this bit. 'cause you notice that her outfits are kind of color coded to reflect her mood throughout the movie. So she starts off all pink and then as she starts to undergo this sort of weird existential crisis that she has it starts to go like Pooey p pooey pinky Bluey, and then it goes more blue as she gets more depressed and then it goes pink and then yellow again at the end to symbolize her sort of rebirth

Dan: Yeah. And, and weird Barbie is, is that doll that everybody had seen when they were growing up. That one that was just.

Sidey: but it's like the toy story one where the kids just like overplayed with it, drawn on it. I, I think they show the hair is burnt

Dan: The, yeah, that's it. It's been cut.

Sidey: Kate McKinnon, who's is actually quite

funny.

Reegs: good in this. So

Sidey: I, I really like her. I think she's funny. She's one of the funny ones from Saturday Night Live. She's funny in the Ghostbuster movie that everyone hates. I quite like her.

Dan: Well, she advises Barbie to go to the real world.

Sidey: She gives her a choice. It is like the Matrix. The matrix. It's the high heel or the Birkenstocks.

And she's like,

Reegs: she chooses the [00:42:00] heels.

Sidey: No, no. I'm gonna ask you again and you're gonna take these ones. Yeah.

Reegs: So she's an illusion of choice. She has to take the Birkenstocks and head to the real world which is a great little like,

montage. You

have to take the car

Sidey: and how do I get back?

Just do it the same way, babe. Reverse.

Reegs: It's like, what is there? There's the camper van

Sidey: Space Rocket. Space Rocket.

Reegs: rock. Get in the jet

Sidey: ship of something. Yeah.

Cris: sled when it's cold. And

Dan: as she's kind of on her way Ken is stowed away. Ryan Goslin, he

Sidey: said to her before I, I, I think I should stay over tonight.

And she's like, okay, do what? He's like,

Dan: I dunno.

Sidey: And then that, that's as far as they can go. They're like, I dunno. And he says, I, I, I, I should come with you on this trip. And she's like, no, I'm gonna do it on my own. And he, he stows himself away in the the pack seat.

Reegs: He does. And so the way to get to the

Dan: is one, it is one of the, the scenes though. She's like, but have you got your roller braces?

He goes, I wouldn't go anywhere without 'em.

Reegs: Yeah. Well, because you need roller blades to get into the real world. That's the last bit of it. And that's when they materialize in our world, the real world.[00:43:00]

Dan: They're going along Venice Beach.

Reegs: Venice Beach. Venice Beach in their like amazing eighties,

Sidey: super neon Lycra.

Reegs: Yeah. A lot. I guess if you had the toys, a lot of these were very like, faithful recreations of like actual Barbie stuff and you probably really enjoyed that, but you could enjoy the production stuff anyway.

And they quickly find that the real world is not much like Barbie land. She's like, oh, we'll ask for advice, A good place to go as a construction site. And they

Cris: perfect side.

Reegs: Yeah. And they start sort of perving on her. And

Sidey: does she say?

Dan: I don't have a vagina. He doesn't have genitals.

Cris: he doesn't have any genitals.

Reegs: He says I have all the genitals.

Sidey: Yeah. They just find that, you know,

Reegs: keep getting arrested.

Sidey: They get arrested at least twice.

Reegs: Yeah. 'cause they steal a load of clothes

Sidey: Yeah. They've got no money. They've got no means to do anything in the real world.

Reegs: They're walking down, down capital city as it is dressed as cowboys.

Yeah. But Ken as like, sort of wonders off and suddenly finds this real world is like reflecting things about him that he'd never understood. [00:44:00] Like, because obviously the real world is the patriarchy as we understand is like, you know, ruled by men or men of the powerful class that

he's suddenly feeling that through.

He's treated with respect. I mean, when that woman asks him for the time, he's like,

Cris: that's why he has the watches later

Reegs: he is why he has the watches. Yeah.

Dan: He, yeah, he's blown away.

Cris: And also that's why while he's doing that, she's thinking on how to find the girl that is playing with her because that's

Dan: that's it. Her owner the the CEO of Mattel.

Reegs: will

Dan: will Ferrell is, is alarmed by their appearance and tries to track him down. So that's kind of going on. He's not in it that much actually.

Reegs: And it's the, it's also like shows the real world is also not very much like the real world, right? 'cause the headquarters of Mattel, these like big gray box cubicles with a

Sidey: toys as well. I didn't really under,

Reegs: I think it's just cartoonish as well. The real world, you know, she's not really made saying she's using broad strokes to, [00:45:00] to do this,

Sidey: I think.

Yeah, she's been sent, like Chris just mentioned, she's been sent on the mission to, to find her owner. Yeah, this is like a little bit toy story because it's her owner who's having these thoughts, which have been transmuted onto her and that's why she's having these thoughts of death. Presuming because the little girl that's playing with her is getting older.

Yeah. And is less interested in playing with Barbie and is having, you know, more adult grownup thoughts is what she thinks. So she does in the end, track her down to, she's in that like, recess at high school. And she sees her there and she approaches her while she's having lunch with her friends.

Dan: and it, it, it is really interesting this scene because it's, it, it talks about these unrealistic beauty

Yeah.

Reegs: And many of the negative things that you can say about Barbie and the Barbie brand and what it means to women,

Dan: she's like, oh, but this is, and and these girls just go, no, not at all. And she's really shocked to

Reegs: she calls her a fascist at the [00:46:00] end and she goes off and has a big cry. And there was a really nice scene after this 'cause she sort of rediscovers her Joir de ViiV when she meets this woman on a bench. She's having a big cry. And then she sees this old woman

Sidey: says, you're beautiful.

Reegs: she's beautiful.

And she says, I know. And the whole thing for Barbie is to give confidence to women. Right. So, and at that, her lowest e that woman gave her so anyway

Sidey: ryan Goslin basically fucks it off and goes back to Barbie world.

Reegs: Yeah. Well he's discovered toxic masculinity through advertising.

Sidey: He goes full Andrew Tate,

Reegs: he does, he goes full Andrew Tate very quickly. And he takes it back with him back to Barbie land,

Cris: Well, he see, he does see her getting picked up by the

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: But he kind of tries to go and then he is like, I'll, I'll leave her to it.

It's okay. It'll be fine. And then

Sidey: he really likes their car.

Cris: Yeah. Yeah.

She goes up to the office and meets. Oh, so who's the CEO? I'm the CEO. It's a man. Who's the CFO? I'm the CF Oag. Because obviously in Barbie land everyone's,

Dan: and does, does he suddenly feel [00:47:00] like liberated because he's been held back so much or he

Sidey: oh, can he

Dan: he has Ken?

Sidey: he sees like horse stuff.

He gets successful horse, he

Reegs: obsessed with horses is brilliant. He just has a very sort of facile understanding of the patriarchy and he tries to implement a perverted version of

Dan: Well, we, we know Ken's heart is pretty good. 'cause a little bit later on in the film, he talks about how

Sidey: he's just Ken.

Dan: He, he's, he's just Ken. And and he wasn't really into the patriarchy

Reegs: I keep saying that it's our culture. He just takes back our culture like a, a version of our culture. Back to,

Dan: he wasn't really into it after the horses seemed not to be involved.

Sidey: Yeah. It's one of my favorite lines in the film.

But he, but

Reegs: Also,

Sidey: Barbie meets. The mum because the mum is America rere, isn't it? She is. She works at Barbie. we are. And sorry, at Mattel. Yeah. And I think we first see her and she's, she's done some sketches for different

Reegs: irrepressible thoughts of Death Barbie. She's

Sidey: realize that actually it's her, it's her thoughts [00:48:00] that have been passed on to Barbie.

Reegs: She was the woman who played with Barbie as a youngster and has lost her way.

Sidey: Yeah. And and so they're going to, they're gonna basically end up dragging the mom and the daughter back to Barbie to show that actually Barbie's not a negative thing. It's, it's beautiful and it's amazing and blah, blah, blah.

So they go on this journey back there, and as they pull up to Barbie it's not how. Barbie remembers it. It's been changed by Ken and his experience of the real world. Real in common world. All the Barbie's dream houses have been turned into like bar, what does it call it? Cass?

Reegs: cat de ca,

he's, yeah.

Sidey: Dojo Mojo.

Yeah. Like my massive Cassa dojo mojo, wherever the hell it is. It's got saloon doors. There's one bit of details like when you look around, the set are amazing in his bedroom. He's got a lamp. A lamp, and the lamp cades all got horses on it. I really found that so funny. And he's wearing this big like pimp fur coat and they're all like bro dudes now.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: And all the [00:49:00] girls are, oh, do you want me to top you up with a brewski? Do you want this?

Sidey: They're all bimbos

Dan: all gone

Cris: a beer brewsky.

Reegs: president and all of the sort of scientists and the lawyers and the, the judicial system and all that are now just sort of serving beers to the beachy cans. Also the Mattel guys, they have followed them back to Barbie land because they've had an issue in the past. Where was it? Skipper went crazy or something. And so they know that they need to get a lid on the situation. It's got, I can't remember the actor's name. He was in like, many of them. Sex education,

Cris: Connor, Connor Swindles, I

Reegs: is, is that his name?

The one who plays sort of, the, the Will Ferrell's assistant? Yeah. He's really guy. He's very funny in this,

Cris: Dinkins something,

Sidey: There's him.

Dan: Aaron Dinkins.

Sidey: There's he's in

Cris: it's in the film. That's his name in the

Sidey: And Cti gwa. Yeah. And Emma mackay.

Emma Mackey. Emma Mackey is there's, yeah, there's a alumni from Sexed in and they're, yeah, they, you're right. They're, they're worried about something's happened previously, but the Ken Dolls at Mattel are [00:50:00] now like flying off the shelves with this new.

So they're, well, you know, sales are sale.

Yeah. They're not that bothered. But they, they do travel back. And

the, the Barbies realize that if they get hold of the the sort of bimbo fired Barbies, they're able to decode them. Yeah. With, with a lot of chat about

what

they want, what their dreams

Reegs: Well, you get, Gloria does this, it when Barbie reaches her, really her lowest ebb. And she is this the point where she's makes some point about unrealistic beauty standards. And, and the narrator even says, you probably shouldn't do that with

Cris: Marga. Robbi as your main

Reegs: like undermines your point.

But then she, like Gloria gets this speech kind of just explaining many of the problems that face women in society today about issues related to everything to do with employment sexuality weight fitness your place in society as a mother, all those sorts of things. The pressures are on them and [00:51:00] that kind of snaps them all out of it, doesn't it?

So it's like. Because the Barbies have got no natural defenses to the toxic bro alpha mentality. This logical reasoning from and like feeling stuff kind of opens it back up and awakens the Barbies to rebel against the Kens, doesn't it?

Sidey: They do it while the Kens are playing guitar and staring at them. Yeah,

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: like a nickelback kind of style tune. They're just

Reegs: just That's right. Yeah. On the beach they separate them all out. And then the Kens end up in a sort of pointless war against each other. This is sort of against the backdrop of, I'm just Ken

Sidey: right? Well, there's been an under under. Sub a subplot of of Ryan Gosling's. Ken and Shemu Lees Ken have been going at it. And they have the, it comes up and they, and the Barbie's plan is just to let them destroy themselves because they were

Cris: you gonna change the

Sidey: That's right. That day they were gonna vote to change the constitution to it be like Ken World and blah, blah, blah.

Gets it. Yeah. And then we get the, probably the best number [00:52:00] I think. Well actually no, there's a lot of good ones, but,

Dan: no, this is the best

Sidey: This is the one they did at the Oscars. They got r ging outta the crowd and, you know, with this pink

Dan: and he, he absolutely nailed it. He got slash Out, didn't he? Yeah. It was,

Sidey: the choreography's Great.

Reegs: And it's this massive ballad about his like lack of identity and all this sort of

Dan: And Ryan Goslin, to be fair, just plays this so well. I think, you know, it's, it's just done with that perfect tongue in cheek. Not too serious, but just serious enough to make you laugh and get the point.

Sidey: But he still doesn't get it even after the song when when Barbie's consoling him, he goes in for the kiss's. Like, no, no, no,

Reegs: Yeah, I know. Yeah.

Sidey: it's not that. And he's like, all right. And he goes against, it's like, no.

Reegs: It's too stupid, isn't he? It's

Sidey: He he says about the patriarchy, because when I realized it wasn't about horses, I just lost interest. Yeah. And then he starts crying about his beer fridge. 'cause the freezer is too small.

Reegs: Too small. Yeah.

Useless.

Sidey: She has, she just hugs him and sets him on his way. And then the next time we [00:53:00] see him, he's got his this fleece on, this mad rainbow fleece with I'm Ken

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: On it. And that, that was just a meme.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Barbie's kind of, we, we've seen her, she's all the other Barbie have got their old roles back. The, the, the president's back. The doctors there, they're all doing the thing. But Barbie herself, the stereotypical Barbie we could see she's still ill at ease.

And whilst she's been on the run at Mattel, she had bumped into, she'd gone through a door into this sort of weird room space. Yeah. And there's an old lady there, and she, she's spoken to her a little bit. And then she showed her where to go and she'd run off and she appears again. And it's the creator of Barbie, the original.

And she give, she talks to, gives her like a one-to-one sort of pep talk. And, and Barbie said, but I, I can't just go back to this. it's 'cause you don't have to, you, you could do whatever, you know. And she's, she's on about becoming a human.

Reegs: She, she feels very ordinary because all the Barbies are like Yeah. Politicians or astronauts or cowboys, whatever. And she's [00:54:00] like, what is my purpose? What is

Sidey: She kind of Vulcan mind melts her and to see her.

Reegs: Well she gives her visions of motherhood.

Sidey: Yeah. I assume that it was her, her past, the, the creator's past. Yes. It doesn't matter really. Whatever. It's,

Reegs: It was quite affecting, really

Sidey: And, and, and from there she kind of, it fades to white and then back out. And she's in the back of the car with America Ferrera and her daughter and the husband who's been doing this Duolingo thing the whole time, trying to learn Spanish. And they're dropping her off somewhere, we dunno where.

And she's like, thanks guys. You're the best. And she goes into this building and goes to the front desk and

massive And the lady at the desk says and your name and she gets Barbara. Yeah. She says, Barbara, and I'm here to see my gynecologist and she's like, beeping. She's so happy. And that's

Reegs: then we end. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah, her gynecologist will have something to

Cris: to look at,

Sidey: We didn't get to see

Dan: No, I didn't get to see any of that. I went, I'd seen this film before I watched it again here for the [00:55:00] pod. It wasn't

so good that I wanted to watch it so soon after seeing it in the last sort of 12 months or something.

But I enjoyed it the first time more purely because everything was new then, you know? But I, you, you see little nuances and there's definitely last Ryan Goslin I think was just, and Margot Robbie absolutely fantastic And I can see they really carried the film. I can't imagine it without those two in it, to be honest, because I,

I think they were just awesome. absolutely, mean, she is stunning. absolutely Barbie material. And he plays Ken just fantastic fantastically. Alan was also another one that made

Reegs: We didn't even really talk about

Dan: He, yeah, we, Alan's, so he's, he's a real character. He was made to to fit all of Ken's clothes in the sixties.

He was just his doll that came out there. They never really did a lot of him [00:56:00] because Who wanted Alan when you had Ken? But it just, and, and

Sidey: were they trying to suggest in the film that he was gay?

Dan: I, I don't know. I I think he did marry in Barbie world. Vicki or, or someone that was but that, that's, you know, played by Michael Seara. And I thought he was just, you know, his face just kind of drops and, and makes me laugh as well. So there were lots of laughs in it. The, I am Ken tune was just epic I, I must admit, I go, I went into a bit of a Ryan Goslin, rabbit Hole on YouTube afterwards.

Cris: I got your numbers up.

Dan: Yeah.

he, he's, he's just seems such a, a genuinely nice guy who's got a, a really fantastic way of connecting with, with

Sidey: people picks good projects as well.

Reegs: yeah.

Cris: Yeah.

He did only go for gifts, so

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. And I'm not sure [00:57:00] Margo, Robbie always has, to be honest, I think she probably needed a, a big hit.

And this

Sidey: oh, I don't think she's,

Dan: She's, she's fairly established, but I think she's done a few iffy

Reegs: she's still always been the best thing in them though. Really? Like even the suicide squad, defender,

Sidey: whatever.

was that dreadful one she did with the K one with no, with with Will Smith

Cris: Focus.

Sidey: That's right. Yeah. She's definitely the best thing in that. She

Cris: best. Yeah. There's no, and everyone else is threat terrible in

Dan: Well, she's one of the world's highest paid

Sidey: Well, it's 'cause she formed her own production company and this is produced by her and her husbands and it did 1.4 billion. So I imagine they did. Their numbers are strong.

Dan: they, it makes you then think, let's, I'll be interested to see what she does next. 'cause you don't need to

Sidey: well, next thing she do was have a baby.

Dan: I would love

Cris: fair play. No.

What you'd love to see the baby or being born?

Dan: Come on, let's let's make

Cris: oh, how to make the baby.

Sidey: What do you think? Re what's your, what's your [00:58:00] verdict?

Reegs: Yeah, I really liked this. We've seen before even watching the cartoons and stuff for the pod. Yeah. The, the Barbie universe is quite self-aware and like self-referential. But this takes it to a whole, like other level whilst also dealing with very adult topics like existential dread and women finding their place in society and toxic masculinity and all that sort of stuff.

And it's got like, off the charts, production design, really good performances and songs. Very meaningful I think to women who played with the toys. But also anybody who's been into fandom in any way can enjoy, like somebody really who, you know, Greta Goig clearly understands and gets and celebrates all the things that are good about Barbie and understands the things that are not great about Barbie and talks about those things as well.

And like, that's always a thing in fandom that you have to do with anything that you like. Like I like Ghostbusters, there's things that's problematic in that, or, but that's [00:59:00] just a, you know, one example. So yeah, I, I liked this. It was really

Sidey: Chris.

Cris: I wouldn't say really good. It, it was good. It's, it's a, it's a theater show that they made a movie out of and they picked two of the most beautiful people that you can put in and that they've done all this kind of goofy thing.

It is way too long.

Reegs: It

is a bit long.

Sidey: Two hours. 10 for, yeah.

Cris: Which for I, I understand why,

Dan: Could have been two hours shorter, couldn't it?

Cris: No, no. I'm not saying that it wasn't, it wasn't dreadful. I, I didn't find it that funny. I also never had a Barbie doll. I didn't understand. I never heard a viol.

Sidey: Chris. Be honest.

Cris: no, I didn't have

Sidey: I didn't have one.

Reegs: Yeah, but we've got daughters, so all of us, I mean, even, I haven't had a lot of

Cris: However, I have seen that what everyone has missed in every Barbie doll house. There was a pole which was dressed as a pile and holding the house, but it was a pole, so,

yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

She stripper her heart.

Reegs: Barbie's a stripper at heart.

Cris: So whenever people wanna watch [01:00:00] this again, they should realize that. Do

Dan: Well, do you know why Barbie got divorced?

No. Ken came in a different box, Oh, there you go. It

Cris: There you go. No, look, it was, it was good. I didn't expect anything else I have to say. I was pleased with the fact pretty much what you said at the beginning, that it wasn't just for 12-year-old girls.

Because I

Reegs: it's not really, I didn't think it was really a tool for

Sidey: but you, but like my daughter went to cinema to watch it

Reegs: and did. Yeah.

And I know the kid mine did as

Sidey: and really enjoyed it.

Obviously she's not gonna get a lot of the stuff. Yeah. But just as a visual thing, that's Yeah, like pressing load buttons, if you like the set design there's a series of things on YouTube the Architect's Digest where they go to people's houses and like slabs or shaver, but they do that for, for this film.

They go

Reegs: Oh, nice.

Sidey: show you all the detail. It's really amazing. I agree with you. There's loads of good stuff in there for people who like Barbie for of women's, the themes and all that. But maybe not undermine, undermine is probably too strong a word. I still think that the best thing in it is Ryan [01:01:00] Gosling and the Ken stuff, which kind of like goes against the message, although they do show him to be a fucking idiot.

Yeah. But all I think about afterwards is I'm Ken. Yeah, I'm just kidding. He's so

Reegs: steals the show in a

Barbie

Sidey: buff in it. He steals like every scene that he's in, he's brilliant. Like obviously portraying himself as a fucking doofus, like, you know. But I, I de, this is the second time I've seen it. I really enjoyed it the second time.

The. I, I enjoyed it when I, I was apprehensive the right word. I wasn't asked about watching it, but when I did, I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought it was gonna do. Yeah. Looks incredible. Margo Rob is, is great. Obviously way, way more than just a pretty face. Yeah. She's great actress. I really liked it.

Yeah. Good.

Reegs: Oppenheimer is gonna have to be pretty good then

Sidey: I couldn't get past the sex scene.

Reegs: in Oppenheimer.

Cris: Yeah.

I quite liked Oppenheimer. I, I liked it more than this because it's something that I can actually relate to and that thing actually happened,

Sidey: drop the bomb,

Cris: whereas Ken, I've never seen him until now.

Now I can understand what the, the idea is, but again, it was good. It was quite funny. A few bits. I do like the Michael [01:02:00] Sarah bit that although I've never heard of Alan. I dunno who that is. I dunno what the hope, I didn't even know what the point of the whole thing.

Dan: I hadn't heard of Alan.

This is, no,

I don't think anyone had heard of Alan, but it didn't take too much of the imagination to realize that they. They brought out a different male

Cris: yeah, I get that.

Dan: And it just totally flopped, but there it was. And it's in history now. And, and you know,

Sidey: you know, they had the, they had the Barbie with the camera, with the, with the screen in her back and she's there like, the

Cris: Who had this idea with the, yeah. With a screen in my,

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: But

overall strong.

Recommend.

Cris: Yeah. Yeah. Strong.

Sidey: Your norms. Dan's norms.

It You did profit. Yeah. Me. You. Yeah. It's you.

Cris: yeah.

Dan: Well, I'll tell you what, we are gonna be watching.

Reegs: Go on. What are we gonna be watching?

Sidey: our point of

Dan: four weddings and a funeral.

Yeah.

Reegs: Society's enthusiastic for that

Sidey: Top five fours. Top five. Top four.

Top five. Weddings. Top four

Reegs: done weddings.

Cris: We've done weddings. We've done weddings.

Dan: weddings. It may be a, a huge.

Sidey: huge [01:03:00] grant. Oh, there's heretic. Heretics on Prime.

Dan: which is what I was looking to see as well. So, let's say that we're

Sidey: going four weddings in Heretic. Yeah. Huge grant.

Dan: and it's, it's a real bookend of his career. So it'd be interesting to, to see what we think are those two

Reegs: then top five Hughes,

Dan: I was watching.

Cris: Funerals.

Dan: that's, that'd be huge. I, I was watching a, a video of Richard Curtis accepting a, an award. And he obviously wrote for weddings and a Notting Hill and a ton of other things. Hugh Grant was giving him the award and absolutely taking the piss out of him telling, saying what an asshole this guy was when he first met him and everything.

And so that got me thinking ab about it. And this floppy haired young Hugh Grant before he got arrested and before he became, you know, both annoying and then actually really enjoyable in a couple of films that I've seen recently. I've not seen the heretics, so that's gonna be it. Let's [01:04:00] reconvene next week and see what we thought.

Sidey: Okay, well, it remains is to say Sidey signing out.

Reegs: that's a wrap from regs.

Cris: it. Did I

Sidey: fuck?

Dan: Dan's gone.