Warfare

Warfare

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Dan: up? Love it. When we record,

Reegs: That is definitely better.

Cris: That's,

Dan: we hit the the goal button? Do you wanna hit one of those blue buttons

Cris: goal rail. It's

Reegs: easier for the listeners to hear it when we record it, isn't it?

Dan: Well,

Reegs: All right.

Dan: I'm not sure everybody appreciates it when we hit the record button, but

Reegs: our,

Cris: well, our, our recent numbers have been quite good, I would say according to,

Reegs: Yeah. For a little while. I

Dan: like, keep my numbers up.

Cris: Yeah,

Wait, no, you,

breathe?

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Are we?

yeah. Yeah.

Sorry. I, I just didn't want to, the awkward silence.

Dan: No, go on.

Reegs: You all right?

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review. The podcast that is to intelligent discourse as a rusty coat hanger is to family planning. This [00:01:00] week's pod starts off with us tackling our top five juniors and before you start dialing child line, we're not actually two footing children here, we're just half-heartedly attempting to string together whatever brain cells we have left to discuss this paper thin topic.

Our main feature is former Navy Seal Ray Mendoza and Alex Garland's 2025 collaboration warfare, a title so blunt, it makes our usual subtlety look sophisticated and in response to overwhelming listener demand. And by overwhelming I mean three people who haven't figured out where the unsubscribe button is and a racist Russian bot.

We finally decided to put the kids TV segment out of its misery, and it will no longer be a regular part of the podcast.

Dan: Yeah,

Reegs: yeah. Sad, isn't it? It died the way it lived. Unloved and embarrassing. But don't fear it will be replaced by us occasionally reminiscing about TV from our, or even your youth if you get in contact and ask us to do it like Bree, he has with art attack, which will happen someday.

[00:02:00] And most importantly, Dan has promised to put the same time and effort he was putting in each week for the kids' TV section into providing us with a quiz, which means we should get one or two this year if we're lucky.

Dan: Okay. I'll appreciate the feedback.

Reegs: Yeah.

And also talking about maybe some niche interest corners and all sorts of stuff.

So maybe a little, little revamp coming up. Just a quick content warning. If you're offended by the unvarnished truth about human nature or more accurately, don't like the odd swear word or badly thought out opinion perhaps you should stick to whatever neutered content usually keeps you docile and compliant.

Dan: Bog

Reegs: off

for everyone else. Let's meet this week's living proof that Darwin was an optimist, starting with Dan. He's so old. He remembers when going digital meant losing a finger. And his capacity for giving a fuck has been officially declared extinct by the World Wildlife Fund.

Dan: Yeah, zero fucks.

Reegs: Then there's breathtaking.

Chris, his relationship with cinema is like a Victorian marriage, completely loveless, painfully endured in something. He's trapped in [00:03:00] forever. And not here this week, sadly, is Sidey. He's at home keeping his numbers up this evening. Get well, Jonathan.

Dan: Yeah, I hope you feel well, John o.

Reegs: And then there's me Riggs.

Hello.

Cris: Hello.

Dan: Hi, Riggs. Thanks for that intro as ever. Yeah, the kids section gone.

Reegs: gone, isn't it? No. And we, we did a little poll of people on Discord, really our most regular listeners, and none of them really cared and that was general feedback. So yeah, it's gone. If any, I think what we also thought was our kids have all kind of moved on from kids

1. Yeah. So putting ourselves through like new, horrendous, awful stuff

Cris: it's more teenager stuff right now.

Reegs: Mm-hmm.

Dan: Mm. But what do they watch? They watch YouTube, they play games. They don't actually watch programs like we did when we were kids. So, little shit aren't, they

Reegs: It, the kids TV section did give me one of my favorite ever things that's like burned into my subconscious.

I think it was the Adventure Time episode

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: we did. And that lady transformed into a giant robotic bee.

Dan: I think we've done probably the best ever kids [00:04:00] TV that's ever been invented. We, we have reviewed all that lost cities of gold

Reegs: other

Dan: other things.

other things he, man maybe and stuff like that.

So we did some, some amazing stuff. But it probably, you know, just not even that long ago, maybe just a couple of years ago, it started getting shit.

Reegs: Yeah. But we've got some maybe plans to replace that segment

Dan: another shit

Reegs: with another shit awful segment that won't be worth listening to.

Dan: So, don't bother subscribing for that alone, but it's, it's all about this, isn't it, Chris? Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. This is, this is the one.

Reegs: So what have you been watching this week? You did? Oh, well, we have, we did talk about, but you won't hear but will hear you guys talking about hands of stone.

Dan: Yeah, we did a full pod on hands of stone, the Robert Duran biopic which had Robert De Niro talking about Ray and Sells life.

And Robert, around the box uh, it was a wonderful pod we'd made, probably the best one we've ever done. [00:05:00] Sadly, we, we never pressed record. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. not the first time it happened, I'm gonna say.

Dan: it's the first time. It's happened for a while though, isn't it? No.

Cris: Well, it happened inside these

Dan: Yeah. No particular surprise that the main, the main controller wasn't here for that. He normally does press the record

Cris: the brains wasn't here.

the

Dan: wasn't here. The brains

Reegs: The weird thing is though, by the time this goes out, we will have released the Hands of Stone episode,

Dan: yeah, we're gonna go back and do it, but just bear in

Cris: back in time.

Dan: we've had a practice.

Yeah. It was better first time.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: Things I've watched this week, I've continued with Murder Bot.

Reegs: Mm-hmm.

Dan: I'm up to episode nine. Episode ten's gonna be out this week. I think that

Cris: How many is it? 10 episodes and that's

Dan: think so. Okay. It

seems to have round it off most of 'em, la end around 10.

It's certainly coming to a head. Really enjoyed that. I dunno if you've caught any of it.

Reegs: I'm gonna binge it. I think because they're quite short. The episode,

Dan: are, they get down to about [00:06:00] 23, 25 minutes. The other thing that I've been watching is Jack Irish, which I dunno whether I've ever put that in for the pod.

Jack Irish is an Australian detective series and he did a couple of films with Guy Pierce. Is pretty good. It's pretty good. It's it's a it's on channel four, so you can get it on the box sets

Reegs: I like how when you listeners can see that you held up two fingers when you said it's on channel

Dan: it's on channel four.

It's on channel four, but I, I, I,

Cris: dunno why

Dan: I should have flashed them twice. And that's really good. So the, the Mrs and I have been watching that. She fell asleep to the third episode, but not because she didn't like it, but just she says, yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: You've been watching anything

Reegs: No, not a lot.

This week I didn't even have a chance to do the homework, so, yeah, no,

Dan: no. What have you been doing?

Reegs: Oh, just stuff,

Dan: things. Oh my lord. Isn't it, isn't it bad when life throw [00:07:00] stuff at you? Yeah. Had much stuff going on, Chris.

Cris: I didn't wa I watched a bit of the football this week because the club World Cup was at convenient hours at the eight o'clock games and I, I didn't really watch it, but I just, you know, when you put something on and it is just there and it is just easy to just have some background football.

So I, I just watched that. I did watch the kneecap Glastonbury set, which is fairly short in terms of how big it was, but it was, I, I enjoyed it and I like the movie, so the

Dan: music is good.

Cris: I don't really understand the lyrics, but it's, I don't really care. It's, it's quite funny. I don't get into politics, what they represent, what they're doing, all that stuff.

I'm not supporting, I'm not condemning whatever it is their problem. I just thought it was quite funny that everyone was up in arms for just a little group of three lads from Ireland, but I.

Dan: yeah, it's not really the big story, is it?

Cris: No, no. Not for me at least. And I don't wanna make it any bigger. I enjoy that.

I did, I I definitely watched something [00:08:00] it was that good that I don't remember what it was. But I'm pretty sure at the beginning of the week, I, I did watch some, something randomly popped up on my because I've got all these channels and I think I, I did put something on, but I couldn't really tell it.

Watch a bit of the Wimbledon. They've got a little thing at the end of the day where it shows you the highlights of, of Wimbledon. I watch a bit of that, but that's s

Reegs: r carney's out, isn't

Cris: Yes, she is. Yeah. And for me with Wimbledon is it's a bit of a throwback to remind myself of the days when I was in hospital and I couldn't see.

So I would listen to tennis. Which is, I don't think anyone has ever done that, because I don't think you have.

Dan: Yeah,

Cris: have that and

Reegs: is better for listening to, but that's is it. Yeah. And also you can listen to it for like five days. So if, when you're sit

Cris: Yeah, imagine that would be torture. But yeah, that's it really from from me.

Reegs: All right. Let's get onto the top five juniors then, I

Dan: Yeah.

So this was inspired by[00:09:00]

Cris: Roberto Duran and the fact that he's got 13 children, all of them called Roberto.

Dan: Okay. Roberto Duran Junior.

Reegs: Yeah. So let's do it.

Dan: You gonna start us off, Chris, with junior,

Cris: I'm going to start with an actor that has a junior in his name, which is Kuba ing Kuba Gooding Jr. Yes. Which I, I, I dunno if he, he's, is he one of, because you would know, is he one of them that has been in controversy recently?

Reegs: Probably, yeah. Okay.

Cris: I, I, the best one that I remember for me was is it Jerry McGuire?

Reegs: Yeah. He won an Oscar, didn't he? And did he win it? Yeah, I think he did.

Cris: that what it was called? Jerry

Reegs: Jerry McGuire. Yeah.

Cris: Tim and Tom Cruise. Jeremy, yeah. That, that I, that I remember him in that. I, I think that was obviously he played in loads of movies.

Reegs: where Medal of Honor is one that

Dan: Yeah, I liked that one. Yeah. That was,

Cris: that was when he was in the Army.

Dan: It was a, it was a diver. Yes. Yeah. Like a Frog man. Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: So, so [00:10:00] he it's in the name.

Dan: It's, it's literally in the night.

Cris: never heard of s though, I dunno where senior was.

Reegs: Well, I was thinking it all the juniors imply the existence of seniors, don't they?

Or at least primes. Well,

Cris: I didn't really, and I didn't wanna make a list of all the actors, or I have a few of them written down, but if no one says anything, I'm just gonna go through a few of them. But

Reegs: Yeah.

Yeah.

Cris: this would be the first one. And I, it was, to be fair, obviously the inspiration for Juniors was the Roberto Duran movie, and that was the one that I had in mind as a, as an actual film.

And then he had so many sons, he kind of named all of them after himself. And one of them is called Robin, though after Robin Hood. Yeah. Because he likes to give to the poor and all that. But yeah, we'll see What's next in

Dan: Junior. No, that was a terrible impression of Sean Connery shouting Junior in the Indiana Jones film. Yeah.

Reegs: Jones Jr. Yeah.

Dan: Henry Jones Jr. And you got one of [00:11:00] those early

Indie.

moments where he is on a train, you remember? And it played like a, a junior, a young Indiana Jones and he's doing really well, but finally doesn't come out with the

Reegs: are you talking about the bit at the beginning where he Yeah.

Where he gets his hat, his love of a whip and his distinctive

All,

of it happening within his bad space for five minutes. Imagine if they wrote that into a movie. Now imagine how fucking mad the internet would go. Everything that was distinctive about this character happened to him in five minutes

Dan: And he, yeah, he even got that scar, didn't he? Just on, on his, on his lip. It was yeah, just Sean Connery in his classic. I've only got one accent. It doesn't matter what what character I'll

Reegs: where I'm from.

Dan: where, where I'm from. I'm Scottish, and he's, how did he get away with that? I don't understand. He's, he still confuses

Reegs: was Shaq show.

Dan: Shay, yeah, he was just Shay I

Reegs: guess.

Dan: But he, he said junior.

[00:12:00] That was a slightly better junior. That was worse, but away you go. Re

Reegs: well, junior.

Dan: Right. Yeah. Which

Reegs: surprisingly it was a movie, Arnold Schwartzenegger

Cris: yes.

Yeah. I, I I

Dan: It came all the way round to you before we mentioned it. Yeah.

You

reviewed

Reegs: it for the pod. Yeah. It was one that Howie did with us, I think, if I

Cris: I was gonna say, I don't remember watching that with like, for the pod. I remember watching

Reegs: I had never seen it. Neither had sidey. And this is the one where it's the second collaboration between Danny DeVito

Dan: Yeah. After twins.

Cris: twins, yeah. Oh, was this, was this after twins?

Reegs: was directed by Ivan Reitman. Arne plays a genius fertility doctor, unfortunately named Hess. And DeVito was a prizewinning sort of wisecracking gynecologist. Yeah. Just not the setup for a movie. And they're developing a drug that's supposed to prevent miscarriages and something, something blah, blah, gets Arnold pregnant.

Yeah. And allows for a not very funny and not actually completely insensitive thing. But very, it took way too long. An early cut of the [00:13:00] film ended with an abortion scene that was nixed by the studio after the subject was deemed to be too politically sensitive. Imagine that. But it probably accounts for why that is such a mess of a, like un entertaining and boring and very long movie.

Dan: Yeah, it was, it was a piece of shit, wasn't it?

Reegs: Real bizarre Oddity of a film.

Cris: I've got an actor called Robert Downey Jr.

Reegs: Yeah. And Robert Downey. S because Robert Downey s was also an

Cris: Yeah,

that's what I mean. And, and. And, and also a well-known hippie and quite, have you seen the, there was something that I've, I've watched and I probably was drunk or maybe just really tired. When have you seen that? When Robert Downey Jr. Goes to his parents' house and he kind of does like a, like a documentary with them.

Have you ever seen

Reegs: No, I don't that think,

Cris: No. I'm pretty sure he was on, on one of the Apple pluses or Disney pluses or one of these things that, and I've, I think it's a three part series and he just goes and, and they basically live on a, in the woods in [00:14:00] America and they just grow marijuana. And they're living a free lifestyle

Reegs: Oh, his dad?

Cris: Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Reegs: His dad was a real, right. He he was in William Free Kins to live and die in la a big 80 thriller. But he also, he'd served in the army, played minor league baseball, was a golden gloves boxing champion, and had written a Broadway play all before he was 22 years old.

Robert Downey Jr. And he was just credited as Robert? Senior. Oh, senior. Well, he was just Robert

Cris: Yes. Yeah. Well, now he's senior because, yeah,

Reegs: Because of junior,

Cris: Right.

Okay. Well, well, I didn't have all that was facts, but I did have the fact that probably despite the, well he, he kind of self-sabotaged his career at some point. Robert Downey Jr.

He was kind of going

Dan: drugs don't work. Yeah. They did

Cris: being

quite big. And then he had loads of problems with alcoholism and drug abuse and different kind of situations. I think he got [00:15:00] arrested a couple of times for dri drink driving and maybe

assault or

Dan: done a bit of time, but he, he did pull himself together and now he's one of the most wonderful actors, really.

Cris: well, I think Iron Man was the one that kind of

Dan: character

Cris: turned his, turned him around. And, and everyone, I think initially people were a bit like, well, why do you cast him in Iron Man? But he, he's proven to

Dan: be, well, you think about him in Chaplain. He was, he was awesome, wasn't he? He was.

He Fantastic. Fantastic. I've got a junior for you. It's the Junior Gazette. From Press Gang.

Reegs: Oh, good.

Dan: Oh, good. You remember that? It was Julie

Reegs: Sahla, Hala

Dan: Ahaha and Dexter Fletcher students running a junior newspaper. Facing those journalistic and personal challenges. That was one of the really good, I, we've done it for the pod, I'm sure.

One of those really good kids TV shows of the day where it made you feel a little more grown up than you was [00:16:00] actually watching it if you were younger than those students doing the Junior Gazette anyway. Yeah. And which I was. And it was great to see that those two actors in particular went on to have really good careers.

Reegs: He's a director as well as a screenwriter as well. Dexter Fletcher,

Dan: Yeah. He was really cool in the he gave zero fucks, but he could get. A story and uses influence and she was the editor and really organized and they had a bit of a romance or a little bit of flirty around it as well. Yeah, like that, the Junior Gazette.

There's my junior.

Reegs: I've got Ken Griffey Jr. He was an American former professional baseball. He played for 22 years spent most of his career with the Seattle Mariners. And he's played himself seven times on tv, including episodes of Harry and the Hendersons and the Fresh Prince of Bell Air.

But he was also hired by Mr. Burns in the Simpsons to work at the [00:17:00] Springfield Nuclear Power Plant so that you can sign him up for the work softball team. I dunno if you remember this episode, Dan Homer at the bat, and Mr. Burns brings in a whole load of ringers,

Dan: Darryl Strawberry and lots. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: It's one of the great Great Simpsons episodes, unfortunately.

Ken Griffey Jr. Gets addicted to Mr. Burns's nerve tonic and develops Tism, gets a grotesquely swollen head. so you don't, yeah, Ken Griffey Jr.

Cris: I've got a, you would've, you would know this because I haven't really watched it, but Rado Soprano.

Oh

Reegs: Oh yeah, man. Of course I got it on my list.

Cris: Oh, you have it? Okay. He junior, he's, I do remember him from the, I, I didn't really, I dunno why, to be fair, because every time I, I kind of go through when there's, you know, one of those like 32nd clips or something on, on the internet, it's from The Sopranos. I'm like, this is really good.

Yeah. And I know it's great content for everything really in The Sopranos, but I never

Reegs: I never really, it's too, the problem with the Sopranos Chris, is, is that it get [00:18:00] keeps getting better.

So you would be out by the, you know, by the time it gets to the fourth or fifth series when it's really fucking brilliant. You I wouldn't see it. You wouldn't see it? Yeah. Oh,

Cris: Okay.

Reegs: But yeah, he's a major character. He's Tony Soprano's

That is his nephew. That's right. He tends to have, I, it's like fear.

It's really sad how his story ends. He ends up in a, like with dementia and in a nursing home, like a real shadow of his former self. He's also responsible for one of the great moments of swearing when he falls over in the shower. I think about this all the time. He falls over in the shower and he says, your sister's cunt.

That's his, it's such a good yeah, good line. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: Remember the Memphis Bell? Harry Conway Jr. Really liked him for a time, had a bit of a crony. He was a

late nineties. Frank Sinatra. Who kind of got into acting and the Memphis Bell was World War II drama about the final mission of a bomber crew going over [00:19:00] Germany.

But it didn't stop there for Harry Kwick Jr. He did Little Man Tate. Oh, are you

Reegs: going with Kwick there? Are you

Dan: I'm going with Harry Kwick Jr.

Reegs: Yeah, but Connick

Connick

Dan: Connick Jr. Connick Con. Yeah. Yeah. It's Connick, I

Reegs: think. Yeah.

Dan: He won't mind. My brother met him in Sydney, so, we have a connection. Obviously he got something signed that we left in a hotel somewhere.

He did Independence Day but the best, he did copycat as well. But the best thing that I enjoyed with him in was the Iron Giant.

Reegs: yeah,

Dan: he did the, the narration of that. And Brad Bird, he was like a beat nick artist who befriend a boy and a giant robot. He played the, this. Kind of character within that.

And that's a brilliant, movie that, a brilliant animation. So Harry Connick Junior.

Reegs: Nice. Well, junior high is like a part of like, I wanna say early middle school in America, [00:20:00] maybe. So I've got some junior highs. Degrassi Junior High,

Dan: Degrassi Junior

Reegs: Probably one of the most famous fictional junior high schools.

Bayside Junior High. Do you remember that one?

Well, if I was to say Zach Kelly Slater

Dan: I was, I was about to say Screech and, and the rest of

Cris: Oh, I remember

Reegs: it was saved by the Bell. They were still in junior high before they moved to Bayside High and Screech became a porn star and Western View Junior high is where?

Violet Par, the daughter from

Dan: you ever seen any screech porn?

Reegs: No, I haven't,

Cris: Was he a porn, the actor?

Reegs: Yes. Justin Diamond, I think I wanna say his name is something like that. Okay. Mm, yeah, there's I believe so. Yeah, I think he might be dead now. So Is

Dan: Right. What a talented fellow though, you

Cris: What a, yeah, what a guy.

Dan: cross genres like

Reegs: Yeah.

So yeah, it's her school from the Incredibles Junior High.

Cris: Okay. I've got quite a few actors that are fa well they're famous actors, but there's also quite a few of them that [00:21:00] they're not famous for being junior, but in their birth

Reegs: they

are, they would.

All right.

Cris: Which one of them is obviously my old time favorite. Will Smith.

Yeah. Robert De Niro is, a junior. He was born as I will tell you,

Reegs: Bob Ahan,

Cris: Robert De Niro Jr. Also.

Reegs: you had to look that up Chris for a minute.

Cris: also, here's another one for you. Marlon Brando was born as Marlon Brando

Reegs: Yeah.

And in the same like category of acting heavyweights like that, Marlon Wayans as well is also a Marlon Wayins Jr.

Exactly. Yeah.

Cris: we're talking about heavyweights here.

Robert Redford

Reegs: It's Robert Redford Jr. Yes. Okay.

Cris: Robert Redford. Charles Robert Redford Jr.

Reegs: Okay. I've got a surprising junior for my, for my nomination.

Cris: There is another really famous politician. Al Gore

is Al Gore. Junior. Bo Albert Arnold Gore Jr. Bur Reynolds Burton, [00:22:00] Leon Reynolds, Jr. A few musicians.

Will I am

Reegs: Will. I am Junior.

Cris: Yeah. He is William James Adams Jr. Oh right. And,

Reegs: I thought there was a will. I am

Cris: Lil Wayne is a junior, is something Carter Jr. Obviously Cub Cuba Gooding. And obviously we've got John F. Kennedy Jr.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: For a, as a, he's not an actor but is a celebrity.

Dan: put in plenty of films, isn't he?

Reegs: Oh, I've just thought of one. The InBetween is the Junior Disco. There you go.

Cris: Right. Okay. So there, there are quite a few of them. I, I'm going to say

Reegs: that is a

Cris: And I'm not gonna go through all of them, but the last one I'm gonna say is Clint Eastwood. He is a junior, Clinton Eastwood Junior. Although he's older than history,

Reegs: They're fucking mad for it though. Americans. Aren't they naming their kids like after themselves?

Cris: So

Dan: Well, little, little Daniel Junior.

Yeah. Yeah. Thinks it's crazy. Is that your final choice in recommendation? Okay, well,

Cris: we've talked about loads of juniors

here,

Dan: [00:23:00] We've, we've had a few juniors. I like Sammy Davis Junior, of course from the Rat Pack. He's been in a few films and I'm gonna put him in as my nomination. It's not gonna be Robin and the Seven Hoods.

He did a load with Frank Siner and Dean Martin of course. It's not gonna be Cannonball Run from 1981, which he did with Bert Reynolds, Roger Moore, and Dean Martin. But I'm gonna put in Porgie and Bess, which he played a drug pusher called sport in Life. And it's a classic Gershwin thing with, with Sydney Portier and Dorothy Dandridge.

Reegs: Dorothy Dandruff. A couple of honorable mentions. Did we say Freddy Prince Jr?

Cris: didn't. I had it on one the list. Yeah, he's, I quite like him

Reegs: Yeah. And did Scooby two too. Monsters unleashed as well. So, you know, high, high quality there.

Frank Sinatra Jr. Also in the Sopranos in the high stakes card game. Isiah Whitlock Jr. Best, probably best known for his role on The Wire as Clay Davis, but also [00:24:00] best known as the guy who went, she,

Dan: she,

Cris: Oh, right, I know who you mean. Okay.

Reegs: I

Cris: You should have just said that.

I,

Dan: watch,

Cris: I dunno his name, but

Reegs: my choice is either Lawrence Fishburne or Tom Cruise.

'Cause Fishburne Lawrence Fishburne is Lawrence Fishburne Thei. So that, Okay. And Tom Cruise, right? No, I, honestly, I looked this up today. His real name is Thomas Cruise Maper. The fourth.

Cris: Oh my God. Mapa Thei.

Reegs: Like this. I

Cris: Like I, I, look, I agree with, I, I'm not

Reegs: Thomas Cruise map of the

Dan: does that make him Junior?

Reegs: Well, there's three more. There's, you know, there was some senior, he's

Dan: he's not a senior, is he?

Cris: is the same like we were talking earlier or also in the future about Asher Raymond iv. Is

Dan: iv. Is there a map of the fifth though? Because that would make him the junior. Junior, would

Reegs: No,

I don't

Cris: No, I don't. He's got kids though.

Reegs: Yeah. I dunno if there are any Tom Cruise juniors in

Cris: I dunno his kids' names, but he's definitely got kids.

Reegs: So there you go.

Cris: Okay. we'll,

yeah.

Reegs: [00:25:00] So

give us your favorite Junior.

Cris: Yeah. Sidey didn't, Sidey didn't tell us a junior. He he didn't give us a junior.

Reegs: He likes a junior side. Yeah.

Cris: And a senior.

Dan: There's three of us tonight because Sidey isn't feeding very well. Which is a real shame because he often brings the wine and also brings knowledge, tech support and knowledge and things like that.

So there's a good chance nobody is listening to this

Reegs: if it doesn't work. Yeah. And if it does, that's good. We did sit down, all of us, including sidey 'cause he gave us our thoughts, his thoughts to watch Alex Garland and Ray Mendoza's warfare.

Dan: Yeah. Yes. You chose this, didn't you, Chris? It was very much your week.

Cris: I did, yes. This was my week. I, I kind of, I'm gonna be honest here. I had the hands of stone as, as a, the nailed in midweek feature, and I wasn't sure what, and I had the juniors

Dan: You panicked and chose

Cris: i I didn't panic. I just, I knew it was already the day when I had to put the norms. I, I [00:26:00] hate when it is a, a message coming out on the group and it's like, come on Chris,

Dan: pressure in

Reegs: It's a lot of pressure in the group.

Cris: Come on Chris. You

Dan: If, if you haven't already delivered all your choices and things, then

Cris: it's, it's, you know, that's

Dan: When's gonna be done.

Reegs: It's escalating sort of volleys of abuse,

Dan: If you're not,

Reegs: So you chose

Cris: because it was, it was one of them that I think you spoke about it on our previous

Reegs: point.

I had seen it about six or eight weeks ago.

Cris: Oh, did you already? Okay. Because it, it kind of popped up quite a few times on my prime.

Dan: interesting. I, if you were professional enough to watch again for this pod.

Yeah. There you go. I mean, that's the kind of quality you're buying when you're spending thousands on subscriptions to this

Reegs: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Cris: So, yeah, that, that's the main reason why I didn't really know much about it. I did look into the little description there and it said it's based on a real story with influence by real people.

Reegs: Yeah. Well, I, I knew kind of all about this movie.

It was essentially a faithful recreation. A [00:27:00] recreation of a particular battle that Ray Mendoza was involved in. Exactly. And it's essentially filmed in real time the entirety of the battle from beginning to end.

Dan: And it tells you it's all based on the memories of the actual people that were fighting in it. Obviously just from the American side,

Reegs: they're very much a sort of living document of their experiences and it's an a 24 movie

Dan: they never got in touch with any of the Iraqis on

Reegs: Well, we can get into, let's get into that. Yeah, let's get into that. It starts with some captions giving you the time and place.

November 19th, 2006, Ramir, Iraq. A Navy Seal Platoon is taking sniper positions in support of a US Marines operation. And this film will use only their memories. And what they definitely remember is what I remember in 2006, which was Eric Prince's call on me video.

Cris: Yes.

Dan: Is that the,

Reegs: the fitness instructor video?

And that's how we're introduced to everybody, all dressed in [00:28:00] their combat gear. Watching these women gyrating and thrusting and very much enjoying it. Whooping

Dan: Oh, the good times. Yeah. I mean, she's got a thong on and she's

Cris: well, we've all seen that,

Reegs: We've seen that video. Yeah, it's a good one. It's a good one. And these are impossibly young guys.

They're boys, really. They're barely men. And they're very much enjoying the video, including, including Joseph Quinn's, Sam, and Will Poulter's someone else.

Cris: Sergeant or captain or whatever. He's very young to be a, a ranking.

Reegs: He's

the guy in charge. You'll find out. And it's got that feeling of a frat boy party really.

And then it abruptly cuts completely to silence because sound design is a big component of this movie. And then it's at night, the platoon moving very slowly through Iraqi streets, really taking its time, building tension.

Cris: it's really cool. Like quite dark normally, you know, when when they shoot in the night there, there's always a bit of a light coming from somewhere to this one was, I watched it in the night and I dunno, it was [00:29:00] probably like nine, which is still a bit of light here in Jersey, but

Reegs: Yeah, it's quite hard to make out what's on

Dan: Well I watched this in the daylight and I then blanked out the, the, the curtains in the, so I could see something from the screen. But you couldn't because it

Reegs: you could see two guys sort of thrusting to

Cris: Oh yeah, I did see that. Yeah, that was good.

Reegs: It was quite funny. Anyway, they take control of a local house pretty much arbitrarily.

They

Cris: Well, the guy says, I like that house. Yeah. And he just, they, they have a position that they have to look at where, where they sell bags of rice

and

Reegs: they're overseeing a market. So they get in, they get the sleeping occupants. They sort of whisper assurances to them, but obviously they're terrified. These heavily armored guys break into their house, start asking a few questions, and then they just, for no reasons that are not really entirely clear to me, smash through an adjoining wall to another apartment.

Cris: no, they can see they got a better vantage point because he only likes the house. Because they can go through the first and the second kind of

Dan: [00:30:00] Yeah. And they, they realize it's two houses, although it looks like one, it is been split into two apartments and they knock through the, the wall it that goes up the stairs into this other apartment which would've been one big house. But as I say, they, they blocked it off. And I was listening to it thinking, what do you mean he's just gonna, I suppose he just gets a hammer, a big bloody

Cris: hammer.

Yeah. The big

Dan: he knocks through the breeze blocks that you know, just one breeze block thick on this house.

Reegs: Oh, well that sledgehammer is gonna get people shot and blown up later.

That just, that

Dan: Yeah. And he, he, he hacks through and then takes the, the other family that are living upstairs and puts them all together.

And these are just innocent Iraqi family who were just having a, a quiet night sleep until the Americans decided they're gonna select that house and that's gonna be their, their base for the next 24 48 nightmare

hours.

Reegs: Yeah. So [00:31:00] the family are all hidden away in one room. While the soldiers scout the surrounding area, which is a market, they set up a sniper position. And we watched for several minutes as, as they like, survey the crowd, looking at potential threats, writing names down,

Cris: There's a lot of military lingo in this, which half of it, I'm not gonna lie. I didn't

Dan: No load

Reegs: Well, but it's, you can see what he's doing. They're looking at, you know, where people are in relation to them, potential threats, people probing their positions, people massing together. Anyone who looks vaguely threatening.

Dan: you, you feel like you know something more about the military when you are, when you've seen this film, because they do use so much jargon.

They use so much military talk and they do make it easy enough to follow along because the camera

Cris: yeah, it shows you what they're

Dan: them what they're looking at. White male a a man, wasn't it sort of a military age

Reegs: They call in a number of individuals that they're, you know, concerned about or whether they're probing [00:32:00] the Americans defenses, I guess.

And it's very slow. This part purposefully

Dan: had a Casio F 91, we better

Reegs: Lot of g shock action in this

Dan: shock action for sure.

Reegs: But we do start to see definite signs of people massing the cars turning up. It's when one guy goes for a shit in the corner and he's relieved of his duty. The guy Elliot, who's the medic and sniper, a sort of guy seems in charge.

He goes for a shit and the other guy comes in, he's not so good, he doesn't get the shot off when he sees a guy with a weapon. So people are starting to approach from other positions and at the same time, air support leaves the team to go and cover someone else. So suddenly this platoon, which is about.

12 men,

Dan: he goes weak, doesn't

Reegs: Yeah. When they all, he says, oh, did you get him weak on the radio? And then when he comes back from his shit, he tells him what happened and he just calls him weak again. Yeah, yeah.

Dan: such a macho kind of thing. And I guess it means people's lives are gonna be lost potentially down the line.

Reegs: Because it's not long [00:33:00] after

Cris: can see that there's whatever they can see that, oh, he looked again. Oh, we, I think we're made, I think we're made. There's people on the roof

Reegs: peeking from windows,

Cris: there's a people on the roof, on the other roof, and they can all keep looking at their house, at their position, which means

Reegs: Something's about to happen, and there's a call to suddenly, there is a call to prayer, right? You start to see women and children leaving the streets. The jihadi the Iraqi translators that are with them. They've got these two guys with them start to tell them that they're being called a jihad on specifically on those soldiers.

They know it's gonna come and it's 29 minutes in when it does happen. Someone's having a piss and a grenade is chucked through the hole in the wall where the sniper barrel is looking through the window.

Cris: two of them in that room. The, the, yeah. The guy from Shogun. He's a sniper guy. Yeah.

I can't remember his name, but that guy,

Reegs: it's chaotic. Lots of gunfire. You know, really difficult to see. There's been a, a moment where we've had the new guy who's got like new guy energy that

Cris: Yes. Yeah, yeah,

Reegs: and he's gonna sort of become, over the [00:34:00] course of the next hour, he's gonna go from new guy to steeled veteran in, you know, just in this one battle, he'll return fire

Cris: through the door.

He just fire shoots through the door. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. So they request air support. The, the, the guy, the sniper guy Elliot, has been hit in the hand. But he's kind of okay. He's still, you know, fine with them. They've requested airport so they can get Evaced and get him out. And then there's quite a long sequence of the movie that's Dev dedicated to them having to go in and out of this room because they've, it's the dangerous room.

Bullets have been fired in there. Grenades got in there and they've kept losing bits of equipment in there. They've lost the sledgehammer, they've lost his backpack, he's lost his weapon. They keep having to go back in and outta this room. Really dangerous.

Cris: and that's why I, and, and you can see they never leave any anything behind.

Yeah, that's, that's the main thing then obviously,

Reegs: because, but also how it creates danger just through people forgetting their discipline in the moment of like forgetting their stuff and then it creating danger in these like small situations. Anyway, [00:35:00] the plan becomes to send the poor Iraqi translators out first when the bradley Lee's turn, turn up.

Yeah. The Bradleys are gonna turn up to evac them out

Dan: there. The Bradley's

Cris: there's one at the beginning. The first one is just one.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Out.

Reegs: so

Dan: but they're just waiting.

Reegs: first like Operation Human Shield I guess, although how do you fight? An army that doesn't wear a uniform and lives amongst the civilian population.

I don't know how you exactly do

Dan: Yeah, it is, it is. It's really difficult. I mean, basically you see the Americans, they've got, you know. Helmets and, Kevlar and the best guns and equipment. And they're fighting against an Iraqi force that is obviously far less well protected with their own uniform.

They have far less guns and things, but they know the lay of the land. They've got the advantage of having lived in those streets and grown up in those streets and, and and for [00:36:00] them as well, you know, GHA, it's, it's obviously a, a huge deal for them to give their life and, and be as brave as they are fighting,

Reegs: But also they're largely an unseen force in this as well. 'cause when the Americans are firing at them, you know, it's, I guess it's the nature of urban combat, but you barely see it. You're just aiming in the general direction of where you think they might be. Yeah. That's basically how the, the combat occurs

Dan: and they hit this. I mean, they've obviously got some heavy equipment because there's a almighty explosion.

Well,

Cris: the implication is, is the same weapon that the guy didn't shoot initially.

Reegs: was it

Cris: That's the implication. When they, when they, they bring that car in, when the guy says

Reegs: he had like a grenade

Cris: he had a grenade launcher because he kind of carries it like really heavily.

If you have a machine gun, you don't like just an AK 47 or whatever. It's not that big. So the implication is because they didn't shoot him then and they didn't take advantage of not letting them get

Reegs: Yeah. That's what

Cris: the [00:37:00] house. This comes back to, to hit them, and that's a grenade launcher. It shoots basically at the, as they're trying to get Elliot into the tank, into the Bradley, and there's just, one of them is just, you can see his guts

Reegs: Well, you just, you get like a sort almost fireworks like type, you know, sparkles and stuff. And then the sound goes completely crazy. Like it's, there's a really loud boom and then silence and then it's pitch black almost. And people stumbling through the smoke. Like you say, you see the Iraqi, one of the Iraqi translators has been just blown to bits.

There's like meat and legs on the floor and all sorts. And you can hear the cries of pain, including Joseph Quinn's Sam, he is going to ride and cry out in pain now for about 25 minutes of this movie.

Dan: Yeah. This, this isn't very pleasant.

Reegs: and I think his, like, it sums up combat when they drag him in, like his useless bloody fire legs on fire and his exposed penis with blood absolutely everywhere.

And they're try, you know, just the [00:38:00] uselessness of all of this.

Dan: It's, it's, it is really dark. Not only in light and content, but just within the audio as well. It's just, it's all really desperate stuff and, and nobody's winning at this stage. And it made me think of the title of the film Warfare.

Reegs: It's blunt, isn't it? It's so blunt. It's just

Dan: really,

you know, what the fuck is it all about? I mean, it, it just seems crazy. And I'm halfway through this film now, a little bit over halfway, and I'm just thinking this is just, what the fuck? I mean, this is in one little room. On the house, on a street in Iraq where people have gone.

These guys, they're in an absolute hellhole situation

Cris: now. Nobody wants in there, civilians or otherwise,

Dan: or themselves, you know, thinking, well,

Reegs: really clear what their objective

Dan: No. What are you fighting [00:39:00] for here? What, you know, when you have to go all the way to this town, this street, the, it doesn't seem like you're gonna sort anything out here in the major, bits of war, you know, or, or, or politics or anything.

It just like, it's just. Awful death and injury.

Cris: and it's not over

Reegs: and I think it's, it's, you know, definitely poignant that the only casualty so far, there's been some terrible injuries. Two people have had terrible, awful injuries, but the only casualty so far is an Iraqi.

Cris: Yeah,

Dan: yeah.

Cris: who's on the American side? Yeah.

Dan: And it, it, yeah, it was just like hard to find reason over.

Yeah.

Reegs: Well, there is no reason. Is it? That's

Dan: going on. Well, it, it, you know, about. It makes you think about, okay, well what are the bigger reasons why people go to war for this, this would've been over Saddam and this would've been over oil and things like that, but they would never say it's over oil.

You know, this is about, this about. [00:40:00] Weapons of mass

Cris: It was nuclear

Dan: Yeah. Nuclear, you know, this is about all the kind of things that haven't actually been a hundred percent proven before or after or since that they were after. And then it makes you think, well it is about, so we can get around and travel with cheaper oil or you know, we can

Reegs: it makes you think about that stuff.

But the movie itself is not about those

Dan: No, not at all. Not at

Reegs: more about the experience

Dan: I, there is a few moments where just in the film and you've got these young men and they are young, you know, they're purposely been,

Reegs: I was looking at those and thinking they look like your

Dan: Yeah,

No, that's it. They're not much older than than my boy. And you think if they're in this hellhole situation. They're all trying to act professional. They're all trying to, you know, behave and, and act as, as clearly as they can under nightmare situations. [00:41:00] But you think,

Reegs: well, they act as they're trained,

Dan: be enjoying life. Yeah, yeah,

Reegs: clear to. You know, they point out, and actually in this sort of middle section of the movie, the training breaks down a little bit. There's lots of disassociative images as people are really traumatized, instantly traumatized not post-traumatic, you know, just instant trauma stress.

And everybody's got that ray disassociate as Sam screams for morphine. There's a, an almost humorous moment where Michael Gandolfini's character accidentally pricks himself with the

Cris: Yes. Yeah.

Reegs: instead of delivering it to the,

Dan: moment where it's a little bit later, but they've been waiting for another platoon of men to come in and they call 'em the frog.

Men are coming in and

Yeah. Two

Reegs: the other Navy Seals, and

Dan: you get these,

Reegs: call of Duty style images from above black and white, firmer camera.

that's amazing. Those scenes, you're hearing them call, there's a great scene. They're calling out the radio chatter, like telling them where people are in relation, you know, approaching from the north, [00:42:00] you've got four in a cart and blah, blah, blah.

And then they go straight into the battle and he's got it in his radio. You can't fucking hear that stuff. He's got bullets like flying round his head.

Dan: Even, even if you could hear it, you, you're probably not concentrating. How many times have you been in a room where your misses his head, passes that, but you're in, you're just watching the television and you can't even hear, nevermind fucking bullets flying above your head and being able to.

Concentrate, turn off that part of your brain to listen to your ears, to, to get that information across. Completely crazy.

Cris: They do get a bit of air support though, with a

Reegs: I

Dan: they do a show of force and a jet rips through and just throws up loads of dust and makes you know, them have a little bit of cover for a while and they get this other platoon in who obviously all, you know, just to get where they, they've got, they've had to fire their way through.

It's not been easy for them. They all play it down on the radio. Yeah. We're getting some fire here.

Reegs: kind of hyped up when they arrive 'cause they're all like, come on and

Dan: kick the guy's leg, [00:43:00] don't they? Yeah. Which just makes me think, oh

Reegs: I know,

Cris: yeah. And the guy goes like, you're gonna be fine. You're gonna be fine. And it's like, mate,

Reegs: like, he doesn't need that. Like, they've completely misread the situation, walking into all these heavily traumatized people. And then they

Cris: and then, and the Polter guy, the, the, he loses completely.

He's just,

Reegs: he does a good thing here. He recognizes that he's lost control of the situation and he asks his number two

Cris: yeah. The other guys I made you, you, you take, you plan the evacuation, you do everything on, on.

Reegs: And then we see a really, a bit that I really wish I'd followed up on. I will do, which is where they call for an evac because of these dreadful, dreadful injuries now that have happened and.

They're told they can't have it until they have a the go ahead from a superior from the commanding officer. So he tells him to fake, he tells his radio operator to fake the call from the commanding officer and call in

Cris: Yeah, they're basically waiting for approval because they said there's been already an attack on the first [00:44:00] Bradley.

Yeah. They're not coming back if it's, if it's not approved. Especially with two of them. Yeah. Because they know that there's gonna be a rocket launcher somewhere waiting for them,

Reegs: So Yeah, eventually

Cris: the radio guy fakes it and he changes his voice. This is,

Reegs: yeah. And he says it's gonna be three minutes in and I checked it was exactly nearly three minutes.

You actually hear them coming down the street about 40 seconds before it was

Dan: a long

Cris: Oh yeah.

Reegs: It's mostly, they just stand around looking at each other at that point. Fiddling with their uniform, you know, with the equipment, getting stuff ready lining up. And

Cris: then he is like, you, the one to the left, we were gonna call it Bradley one, the other one or whatever, one, two.

And then he's like, which way Elliot's going? And he looks at him like, did you listen to what

Reegs: Yeah. He doesn't have a clue,

Cris: have a clue. Yeah.

Reegs: So they evacuate Elliot and Sam first, and then they come back for the rest of the platoon who now at this point are being surrounded on all sides. In fact, they penetrated the top floor of the building, the in insurgency, [00:45:00] I guess we will call them the Iraqi insurgency.

Cris: they

do call for an airstrike on the top of the

Reegs: which they're denied. And then the tanks come back and as they get in, they tell 'em to fire on the the top floor of their own building. So the flat that they confiscated from the Iraqis at the beginning is then just repeatedly shelled.

And then the guys get in the back of the. Tanks as they just obliterate the entire street. Basically just fire rounds into pretty much every house in the street and make their way out of there. And then there's silence and just eventually iraqian insurgents come out, coming out into the

Cris: just slowly into the, yeah, into the street.

Reegs: 25 of them.

Dan: Yeah. You, you think ba you think back to before when he's just looking through and before they've done the the calls of prayer and everything, it's a, it's a busy. Little market town. There's people selling fruit, there's

Cris: kids running around, there's around just,

Dan: It's, it's just like, you know, [00:46:00] a, a small little town scene and, and everything.

Obviously everybody is disappeared from then. And it's just located in these three or four streets and,

Cris: and now you see the family in the house as well where the dad kind of goes, it's okay, now they're all gone. It's okay. Now they're all gone. And the kids are just don't,

Reegs: traumatized themselves.

Dan: And, you know, again, probably really confused as to, what's right and what's wrong, because the Americans would've had to have been so harsh with them in order to preserve their own lives and make sure that they haven't gone into a house that's gonna

Reegs: and yet when there's the, then there's the opposite side, because when there's the gunfire into the building, the Americans cover the Iraqi family.

They, you know, physically. To protect them from the blast. I,

Dan: yeah. No, that, that's it. So they, you know, and obviously they haven't hurt 'em. They haven't killed and haven't gone in and killed them

Reegs: but their very [00:47:00] presence has completely destroyed this family's

Dan: Exactly. Traumatized them forever, you know,

Reegs: Traumatizing forever for what seems completely pointless. Which I'm sure is absolutely the point of the movie

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: Yes. Yeah.

Reegs: And it does end with a little thing for Elliot who was successfully extracted, I don't think could walk again, but it does not remember the events of the movie.

And then they show you the

Cris: well, yeah, he comes on the, the mobility scooter, right? Like the, the wheels thing. And then the other ones, the, I dunno, director or whatever is they, they show how. They left the house, how they got into the house, they showed all the actors and the original guys, they show some of them with blank faces.

Reegs: Mm-hmm. They blur

Dan: Still in combat or,

Cris: or just

Reegs: didn't wanna be identified.

Particularly because there are some, you know, moments of people either not covering themselves in glory by making mistakes or abdicating their positions of responsibility or, you know, all sorts of the things that really would happen in the chaos of warfare.

Dan: I found this a hard [00:48:00] watch, to be honest, because I don't like these kind of films.

Not because it wasn't well shot, not because it wasn't real, 'cause it was all those things. It definitely was just not my kind of thing because it takes me into a place where I really don't like to go when I'm watching films, which is full of anxiety, tension. You're biting your nails. You are even, I'm biting my nails just talking about this, you know?

I mean, it's it's so real. It's so realistic. It's so dark and harrowing. It. You know, when I watch films, I, I like to have it as an escapism into somewhere that's nice. I like to, you know, I like to feel bit, but this

Cris: yeah, there's no feel good story

Dan: not, it is not to say that it's not an important film and it's, and I know lots of people will, will have opinions one way or the other on, on how this goes and the bravery of, of fighting in those kind of situations and everything because bullets are flying and you could be dead at any second.

If you are believing this is really for [00:49:00] freedom on either side of that conflict, then you know, then you are incredibly brave though, you know, if you certainly believe that on either side, that conflict, you think that you're doing this for your family and their lives and, and people that you love and admire and, and want to look after, then that's all really, really important.

And these are. Brave, brave people. But just watching it, I am like, hell. This is You know what I mean?

Reegs: It is intense and visceral and yeah. Deliberately you know, the sound design is there to assault you as much as like the visuals as well. And yeah, not a feel good thing. And there aren't really traditional things like narrative arcs or anything like that because this all takes place over 90 minutes.

It's more procedural

Dan: And when you're watching this where you misses and and you know, a 13-year-old it's really tough. Then you just saying, you know, get down, get down, you, no, it's [00:50:00] no.

Obviously

Reegs: watch No, no. Not one for the

kids.

Dan: Not one

Cris: I was gonna say, if you did that, that's not the smartest move. I look, I, I kind of agree with Dan, but I did like this for, for the, I'm not, as we all know, not a critic of by any means, but I did like the way it was shot.

I did like the fact that it was all, all these young guys, and, and it's pretty much at the end of the day is the futility of war, really. Right? It's like when it comes down to the, the ground soldiers. They're just pieces of like pawns on a board that they get moved around and then

Reegs: meat in the GLE of,

they

Cris: might disappear in, in a, in a, in a bullet, and then that's it. There's, they're just the empty uniform really. And you know, the, the, there's been movies that glorify soldiers and we've all watched, you know, biopics of the Sniper and that guy, or this story, this is not, and, and you get the, I can't remember the one with Mark [00:51:00] Wahlberg where he's, and, and that's kind of at least some one of them survives and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

This is

pretty much, most of them survive, if not all of them. But there's,

Reegs: yeah, The, the

only success that it can be that they avoided being

Cris: they,

they survive. But that's the only, and, and it comes back to, to Dan's point where you look at it and you think from all these people that, and this was a real fight and a, a real battle that actually happened from all these people that were involved.

Everyone's gonna be traumatized for life. No one gets a good experience out of it. No one wins anything. The grand scheme of things, that was never even recorded in like the battle of,

Reegs: I

Cris: Waterloo or the Battle of Theen or the

Reegs: just a small battle

Cris: just a little, and what, there was a few casualties and they lost a few weapons in the

Reegs: and that guy will never walk

Cris: Yeah. And then the grand scheme of things that's just like, oh, well it'd be a bit of PTSD. And then these are just normal blokes that they just went to war and people go, told them what to do. I, [00:52:00] it was well shot. The sound was really, really good. And it's a story that, as much as I don't like it, I've read a few books like that about war and, and stuff where whenever people speak to me, because obviously the war in Ukraine is Romania shares the border with Ukraine, and people ask me like, oh, would you not go fight if your country No.

And I, you can call me a coward if you want to. And, and I'm not saying this because I'm, I've just watched a war movie. What is the point? First of all, I dunno how to shoot, I dunno how to fight. What I'm gonna do is become one of these guys that they give you a two weeks training, they tell you how to shoot a gun, and then there's gonna be a flying drone that drops a bomb.

Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: And then just wait. Thank you mate. Cheers. And you're

Reegs: you gave your life for the call as well

Cris: And you know, this is another one dead. Thank you. Is that what

Dan: for what? Yeah, it'd have it, you know, if it's one of those, and we, we, we've probably discussed it in other war movies over the past. If somebody's [00:53:00] in my house and.

You know, coming aggressive, then you're gonna be aggressive with them. You know what I mean? But it's it's, it's to go over and, and go over and do the things they wanted to do and, and fight in these little towns and these little villages. I dunno, for me personally, I'll just, I'm just that kind of person that would go, well, what's the point in this one?

Exactly. Can you tell me what the actual objective was? 'cause it didn't seem there was an objective in this film other than just a show of force and this, that, and the other, and maybe maybe getting the, the 30 25 insurgents that or jihadi people that are in this area. But

Reegs: no, they were support, I mean, the actual object, they were supporting another team in that market operation, but we never got to that bit

Dan: really. No. No. So position may, maybe that missed a little bit, but for me it's, it is a, you know. The pointlessness of war, and it comes down to a much [00:54:00] higher kind of level of geopolitical diplomacy and argument and and reasons why you're getting into these war in the, in the first place.

A lot of it comes down to the oil and money, particularly when you're talking about Iraq, because I'm sure there's more humane things to be fighting over in different areas of the world, but they don't have oil. Yeah. They don't have resources. Yeah. Resources. But and you could go there and show your force and say, look, you're bullying these people, fuck off or gonna bully you.

Reegs: I mean, basically happening again with the Americans and the Ukrainians Minerals, isn't it? I mean, they've will give them support and shake 'em down as long as you give

Cris: for future Yeah.

Reegs: your minerals.

Dan: Yeah, it's it's a tough old world we live in. And this film kind of shows a lot of that tough old world and the, the sharp end of the stick

Cris: I did also like the fact, sorry, Dan, but I did also like the fact that there was no general, there's no, no one big involved to give you the orders and [00:55:00] tell you what to do.

Reegs: Well, you never stay, you never move away from the side of this team,

Cris: them, so at least it is, if anything is just the non-important people get a mention in a way.

Reegs: Yes. But also, I don't know, we've labeled the point we need to finish, but rare sort of anti, you know, most war films are anti-war pro soldier, and this is kind of dares to be a little bit anti-war and a little bit

Not a necessarily anti soldier, but also soldiers can fuck it right up too.

Dan: Well, would you strongly recommend it?

Cris: Yeah, yeah, It's a strong recommend. The, the act, the acting is really good. Like they're all, you can see they all did the right

Dan: things. Yeah. If you want No nails

Cris: we tell Sid's review on this?

Reegs: Oh yeah. Good idea.

Cris: can we say what, what he said about

Dan: Mm.

Cris: Warfare tense, well-made American military flex.

Hated the holiday snaps at the end. And I'm not gonna say the last

Reegs: That bad. All right, well strong recommend.

Yeah.

Cris: [00:56:00] Strong recommend.

Dan: okay. Well, it's the kid section. We have no kid section. We've.

Reegs: it's gone.

That's it. We're

Cris: like you,

Dan: it's it's

Cris: like you, Dan's gone,

Dan: It's quite off. But we did talk about things that we might do here.

Reegs: Yeah, let's, but let's, you know, we've got some do. We'll do 'em next time or whatever.

Dan: Because I, I watched some plenty of YouTube content and maybe people out there have seen YouTube content.

Okay. Yeah. If there's anyone listening at this stage share with us your YouTube content,

Reegs: your, your YouTube weirdness,

Dan: your weirdness,

Reegs: your strange obsessions or things being

Dan: Maybe something that you want us to talk about.

Reegs: Something's been collected. Someone

Cris: showed me once this, and it was, this is in the top 10 most watched things on YouTube. There was a guy, I dunno if he still, or a woman, I don't know who was behind this channel, but it was, it was a person that the video start very easy, like how to make pasta or how to make this, and then it turns him into just basically blowing up the table.

Okay. Have [00:57:00] you ever seen anything like that or heard of

Dan: It's all on YouTube. I

Cris: is on YouTube, but, but this is, this is was top 10 for years and this guy would make I think a video every couple of weeks and he

Reegs: be just blowing things up.

Cris: he would start making, by making let's say tomato ketchup on how you would home.

Make it. Yeah. But then he'll. Start destroying the tomatoes in the pan and the table and everything else. And then he'll try to make a shed and he'll build half of the shed and then everything else will turn into a massive fire and just things like that.

Reegs: So what you suggesting we vandalize the mancave or

Cris: I'm not suggest.

Well, yes, but no, I'm just saying just a bit random things like that. That or any, or anything that's not random, if it's your

Reegs: something that's more sorted.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: Well, there's

Cris: all know, we all know side's. Passion for coins.

Dan: Yeah. Well, Christopher Collects is could very well be,

Reegs: could feature very

Cris: And there was the, the other thing with the dominoes.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure we watched that one day or these nerds that they were [00:58:00] doing. Honestly, if we do that again if we watch that again, I'm gonna cry. What the, the domino thing

Reegs: Yeah. It was great.

Cris: No. Oh my God. That the one that took 15 minutes to finish.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Taught

you for it. Domino. By domino. It, it's all to come here. On bad Dad's film review and general mishmash of stuff. Dan's gone

Reegs: Reese has left the building. Lot