Feb. 3, 2023

Life Of Pi & Rosie and Jim

Life Of Pi & Rosie and Jim

Sidey's nautically themed show begins with a look at the Top 5 Boats and there's so many to choose from we don't even mention Terry Nutkins on steroids lookalike Hulk Hogan's 'sub' standard tv show THUNDER IN PARADISE (see what I did there because submarines are also boats).
Ang Lee's 2012 adaptation of Yann Martel's LIFE OF PI is FIGHT CLUB with a tiger though it's definitely a movie about something else too; a parable about spirituality and religion, an exploration of man's survival instinct or perhaps a meditation about the nature of storytelling. To go along with those lofty themes it's also astonishingly beautiful, joyously cinematic, with a stirring soundtrack and features a marvellous debut performance from Suraj Sharma, who carries the bulk of the movie alongside a menagerie of CGI animal performers.
Many shows birthed into life by Ragdoll Productions including TELETUBBIES, IN THE NIGHT GARDEN and TWIRLYWOOS have graced this podcast though none of those have a higher horror quotient than long-running children's tv series ROSIE AND JIM which is either about the souls of a couple who were somehow accidentally eternally bound - presumably voodoo ritual  CHILD'S PLAY style - to a puppet prison or the story of a man's slow descent into madness as he becomes convinced he is being stalked by two sentient ragdolls who live on his barge. In this episode experienced seaman Tootle meets with a local artist whose attempts to document the exact events occurring aboard the haunted houseboat end with his disappearance and yet another body dredged from a canal.

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Life of Pi

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, a weekly film review podcast hosted by a group of Idiotic Fathers. This week show Caesars taking on an nautical theme. So if you're a fan of hearing middle-aged men giggle about the word semen, then you're in luck.

Uh, It's gonna start with the top five movie boats. Before we set sail for our main feature, the 2012 Ang Lee adaptation of Yan Martel's Best-selling novel Life of Pie. And then we finish things up with a sedate trip down the river with classic barge themed kids tv, Rosie and Jim, which may or may not be a story about a psychotic man's slow dissent into badness and or some eerie possessed dolls.

There's just co-host side and myself reeks this week with fellow Badda. Dan, having started his travels in the most Dan way ever, turning up four hours early for the first flight of many because he's about as organized as a six year old's bedroom. This of course means that the man cave where we usually record, is out of bounds.

Society and I are recording from the relative safety of our own dwellings. First there's me at Regal Manor. Where I've attempted to recreate the look, feel, and smell of our usual podcast nights in my humble kitchen, some red wine here, some cheese and snacks, the smell of a 1960s jazz music teacher's practice room.

And I've even asked a confused old man to wander around the room making up words and occasionally knocking things over to help mitigate any home sickness I might have at Dan's absence. We also have sidey. He's at home inside World Towers tonight where you are also attempting to recreate the feeling of being in the man cave by hollowing out a huge chunk of your house and reducing it to mere rubble.

So yeah, you're, are you in your lounge slash kitchen slash bathroom slash playroom at the moment, or where

Sidey: I'm in my son's bedroom.

Slash makeshift office which doesn't have, it's because of the A four mentioned destruction that's going on in the house that doesn't have any power. So, I've got an extension cable tra I'm bound to fall over at some point, is basically what I'm going at. But we'll, we'll struggle on.

We will hopefully only be doing this remotely, temporarily because a, it fucking sucks. And we've got potential, a couple other venues to go to, but this feels like a covid throwback, which is fairly awful.

Reegs: a little bit. Yeah, a bit weird, isn't it? Yeah.

Sidey: But we'll, we'll struggle through.

Reegs: Well, Matt, we'll struggle through Manfully. It was nice the, a few weeks ago and I don't, we didn't have a chance to mention it on a previous pod, but we were contacted by a, a listener and it's always nice to read out this stuff. This was through the website.

This was from listener Snake Lipkin. He said I'm gonna read this verbatim. Cause it's always nice to hear from the listeners. He said, just listen to three random episodes. Love the show. Half of you sound like absolute pieces of cunt. In other words, I would get on well with you the other half, or specifically one of you would do well to gargle nice sperm which in other words would make us ideal lovers stay with the pod live long and prosperous.

So thanks

Sidey: That and

that really is genuinely a message we received that isn't something we've made up or rigs is

Reegs: no, that's not something made up

Sidey: percent genuinely what someone sent us.

Reegs: Yeah, so we did have a chuckle and many hours of debate again about who might be the one who would enjoy the sperm. So, thank you

Sidey: I think he's wrong about just picking one of us. I think probably all of us

Reegs: Yeah. You've been watching anything side apart from this week's cracking main feature, master in Commander electric Boogaloo too,

whatever it was,

Sidey: yeah. Last night I watched an Adam Curtis thing on Amazon Prime and oh geez, we did watch something, some mindless nonsense at the weekend that com. I've done a dan now it's com It's completely gone outta my head, what it was, but it wasn't wasn't earth shattering by any means,

Reegs: well we finished off the Queen's Gambit, which is on Netflix. And I really enjoyed that. Passes the, the Bechtel test or whatever. Obviously cuz you've got female characters talking about things other than boys, but also a really fancy and Taylor Joy as well. So, that's pretty, you know, helps with everything there.

And we are also going for the HBO water cooler type thing, so we're watching the last of Us. Everybody's talking

Sidey: Yeah, even my mother, she was around today and I was working from home this afternoon. She said, oh yeah, there's this, this other show. Oh, it's really good. It's got that guy who was in Game of Thrones, you know, the one who had his eyes squeezed out by the mountain. I'm like, oh yeah. And I'm like, wait, are you watching?

Are you watching the last of us? And she's like, oh yeah, that's, it's really good. And I'm like, damn it. My mom's cooler than me.

Reegs: Yeah, she's it, she is calling you. So we've only watched the first episode, which is fairly slavish to the, the game, which I did actually

Sidey: I believe they, I believe it's, you know, as accurate a an adaptation as you will ever see

Reegs: Yes,

Sidey: to the Source

Reegs: feel like that.

Sidey: What has to be watched? We've, we've been watching the National Treasure TV series on Disney Plus, which is, you know, in many ways absolutely appallingly bad, but we're already enjoying it.

So there's that,

Reegs: Mm-hmm.

Sidey: it, it lacks Nick Cage, but it makes up for it in a sort of really appallingly, bad tween. Acting performances, which is always entertaining.

Reegs: My kids you know, with bringing in the whole dad's part of it all they have gone absolutely hardcore for, is it cake?

Sidey: All right.

Reegs: Flo is lava. So obviously we've done, Flo is lava before. I don't think we've done, is it

Sidey: No, I Have watched a fair bit of that.

I mean, it is quite

Reegs: Sometimes it is cake.

Sidey: I, I don't know how well that would go, but I like cake.

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah. And I like things that are realistic.

Sidey: Have your kids tried Willow at all?

Reegs: No,

Sidey: okay. My daughter

Reegs: Not on the Willow train.

Sidey: loves it. So that's, that's a strong recommend from her.

Reegs: All right. Okay. We have been doing good news, bad news at the beginning of the pod recently I've got, I've got some good news, bad news. I dunno if you've thought of any interesting news that you wanted to bring up. But

Sidey: well, not really. The sad news was more musical that Tom Va Lane passed away at the weekend, which was really sad, but


Reegs: yeah, that

Sidey: did lead to some, you know, excellent music listening. I bet there was some, some stats on Spotify about you know, about Marky Moon getting played a whole bunch. But you know, sad but also had done some brilliant stuff.

So it was a life well lived, I think.

Reegs: Yeah, well in, in good news, bad news, then we've got, it's good news for avatar two, of course, which continues to bring in the money and single-handedly keeps the cinema industry going hopefully forever by taking billions each week. And of course, it's bad news for the British people. Of course, as Brexit continues to be a terrible idea, foing a completely unnecessary social crisis on us all.

So there's that. Good news, bad

Sidey: Yeah. You haven't seen an avatar, have you?

Reegs: No, I was gonna go with Pete. We were gonna go on a meet. Cute. But then I was ill and all that stuff

Sidey: doesn't really rev my

Reegs: I was up for it. I'm up for it.

Sidey: everyone in the world seems to love it. So, and I think James Cameron's now confirmed he's gonna have to make more, cause it, it's making so much money,

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: so there you go. That's good. Right. Should we, should we get into the top five?

Reegs: yeah. We absolutely should.

It seems, it seems like completely incredible that we haven't done this before.

Sidey: sure. Well, I'm not sure otherwise I wouldn't have done it. But I, I even looked on the website and I still am not convinced that we haven't done this in some way, shape, or form before. But anyway,

Reegs: I have looked on the website. I've looked back through my notes. We have not done this one

Sidey: because I would've thought that when we did Triangle, was that the name of that film? The.

Reegs: Yeah. But we didn't theme them back in those days. It was just all slipshod all over the

Sidey: Yeah, well, well here we go. Top five boats.

Reegs: Yeah.

Do you wanna

Sidey: I'll start with the, I'll start with the disaster movie that we've mentioned a hell of a lot of times on this here show. And it's 2012,

Reegs: Yeah. The arc

Sidey: culminates with the arch ships and they are inspired of course, by Noah's arc. And I don't have, I would like to have some stats about just how fucking vast they are and what their capacity, you know, their cargo capacities cuz they were lifesaving.

The saving, you know, saving humanity and, and

Reegs: Weren't they gonna have like a million people on each one or something bizarre and

Sidey: Yeah. And it was a, a whole thing about how you qualified to get on it, but there, there were some pretty massive ships just to, to get us going. I thought I'd, I'd go for that.

Reegs: Yeah. But they, they get destroyed,

Sidey: Some do. Some do, but not all.

Reegs: yeah. All right. Well, I'm gonna start with, I think shamefully maybe the only Stephen Segal movie that I've seen in the cinema, but I'm gonna go with Under Siege. When Gary.

Sidey: Double. Oscar. Nominated under Siege.

Reegs: Was it really

Sidey: it was

Reegs: fantastic? So Gary Boey and Tommy Lee Jones decide to try to hijack the USS Missouri using only former Baywatch girl, Erika Aleks breasts to distract the entire crew. And they're gonna sell the advanced weaponry of this like super ship that they're on. But what they didn't reckon on was culinary specialist.

Casey Riach, played by Steven Segal. He was the decorated leader of Seal Team four until he lost his SEAL team. He lost his security clearance after striking a, a commanding officer for poor intelligence. So he's sent off, he was demoted to a cook and it sets up this kind of die hard on a boat type thing with Tommy Lee Jones.

Great, great movie. Fantastic. I mean, you know, and, and, and starting that real journey of Segal to be a, a massive name, I think.

Sidey: Yeah,

Reegs: see that one at the

Sidey: no, I didn't see that one at cinema and I only recently started watching cigar movies. I think it was a, it was a blind spot of mine for a long or while. So, no, definitely not a cinema one for me. Mores the pity. Well again, for a bit of classic territory then Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, the absolutely fucking demented riverboat thing, which looks like it's been painted by. Someone colorblind or just blind. It's, it's garish to look at and an absolute hellscape to actually ride in as well because it seems like some sort of horrific acid trip takes place on board it. Where he,

Reegs: Well, they're going down. Yeah, they're going down the chocolate

Sidey: he sings which would be enough to make me want to jump out of it. And then he, he, he ends the song by just screaming.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: and it's crude by a kind of slave, you know, labor thing. And it, the whole thing is just very bizarre.

Reegs: Yeah, it really is. We, we actually watched the Tim Burton one recently. It was all right. It wasn't as bad as I remembered.

Sidey: I've not seen it.

Reegs: were into it. So yeah.

Sidey: I know.

Reegs: Just rolled do really hated like children and adults, didn't he?

now that, so Johnny Depp, he modeled his performance on Michael Jackson

Sidey: Okay.

Reegs: Willy Wonker, but now he's nearly as weird as, as Jackson was.

So, you know, levels of strangeness in that performance. Anyway the Life Aquatic with Ze Steve Zsu was when, where's Anderson's most expensive film at the time? And it has that usual, incredible production design. I think mostly a bunch of sort of stop motion puppetry for the ocean, but it has Zeus's incredible ship, the Belafonte which has a spa of recording studio monitoring equipment Maduro of Scout dolphins helicopter.

Submarine and an underwater observation deck in it, and a lot, lot more. So, I really liked that one. Music was brilliant.

Sidey: Well, there's a lot of David Bowie in that soundtrack.

Reegs: I know, I know, I know. I do like to troll. And great performance from Willem Defoe as well.

Sidey: Yeah, it's one of those where he's got the, like a cross section, hasn't he, of the ship and, which he frequently does with the sets that he builds, where the camera's able to just sort of pass through the whole thing in, in one take and you get the whole geography of the whole ship. It's really, really well done.

Have you seen the French

Reegs: Dispatch.

Sidey: It's really good. Think it's on Disney Plus? You should. You should check it out. It's good. Ooh, okay. Let's pick another one. Are we allowed submarines?

Reegs: Well, so they are a boat, aren't they?

Sidey: Yeah, cuz they can, they can sail on. Top of the sea, if you like, but also have the advantage of being able to go submarine. Which, which opens it up to, I've got a couple, but I suppose most notably would be das Boot,

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: is German for the boot.

Reegs: The boot. Yeah.

Sidey: and I remember the first thing of if when you, a bit like we were saying there, you get the, the whole geography of the ship, you get a tracking shot going through and you just see like saucy saw and, and stuff just like hanging up and you know, anywhere there's a bit of space, something's gonna be there because you know you're gonna be away for God knows how long.

And the reality is you don't have a cupboard, you know what I mean? That's what I remember the takeaway from watching it apart from all the, the horror. And then when the people came out, they were all, you know, pale as fuck and you know, all the horrors that had gone on. Just the actual practicalities of that kind of thing.

Just, I'd never contemplated that before.

Reegs: I think as well, you get that like, you know, because it would've been day upon day of like intense boredom. You know, and then, but then you've got like incredible highs of like, moments of real drama and tension.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: So, yeah.

Sidey: other submarine was Red October.

Do you, can you guess what film that was from?

Reegs: Yes, I can. Sean?

Sidey: Sean being Russian, doesn't he?

Reegs: Yeah. Scottish Russian.

Sidey: it's a Cold War thriller. And basically my one takeaway from it is, is Sean Connery's bogus accent.

Reegs: Yes.

Sidey: not as good as submarine

movie as

Reegs: Baldwin. Tom Clancy, I

Sidey: Yeah. It's a Tom Clancy? one. Yeah.

Um, 1990, and that's, they're making me feel old. All these.

Reegs: Well, I've got some older than that side cuz I don't know whether you know, but in Jaws they talk about the need for a bigger boat, and that was in 1975. That's, and in fact, Quint the Hunter Quint his boat, the Orca is, it features heavily in the climax of that movie and is absolutely dis battered and destroyed Really, isn't

Sidey: As was Quint. Yeah. He, he didn't come outta that too well. So they had

the orca,

Reegs: than that, so,

Sidey: they had, well they had Orca one, which they used. That was just an actual ship boat. Is that a boat? I don't know. Is there like a size thing where you have to cut the terminology changes and you, it becomes a boat, not a ship.

I don't know how it works. But then for the actual scenes where the boat was being, Attacked and sink and sank and destroyed. That was Orca two. That was a fiberglass molded boat. Orca one survived the, the film and was purchased by a Los Angeles fisherman after

the after the end of the shoot.

And he paid 10 times what they what they paid for it. But a nice bit of me memorabilia.

Reegs: that film was worth

Sidey: I know piece of shit. Otherwise, unlike Jaws Too, which we watched recently, which is an absolute masterpiece.

Reegs: Yeah. So even older than that and Dan will remember this one very

Sidey: I think I know which one. Yeah.

Reegs: 1951, John Houston Humphrey Bogart, Katherine

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: And he takes her on a steam

Sidey: Cleveland Steamer,

Reegs: which is , not an Urban Dictionary thing. Yeah. And Apocalypse Now, but that wasn't quite as old.

But that also had some riverboat, slow riverboat action and had, was it Larry Fishburn and I Loved you in Wall Street. No, wait, , that was hot shots

Sidey: Martin Sheen.

Reegs: yeah. Martin Sheen. There you

Sidey: Truman Show. Remember that one? Absolutely fantastic movie. He escapes the his captivity at the end by getting on a Pema quid ploop.

Reegs: Oh, oh, ALO.

Sidey: the old sloop, John b from the bit of the Beach Boys song which he's just sailing away until he sort of comically bumps into the end of the world.

, which is just the, the sky painted on a, he must be in a, you

know, kind of dome. You know, it's just, and you know you're not expecting it. Oh, because, well, we know he is in captives, but you don't know that it's gonna just like bang into the end of the world. And then there's some stairs and he just gets out of his little boat, his little sloop and goes up and does the famous in case I don't see you.

Good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight. And he, he gets out of well who knows what his future holds, but Fantastic movie with nice little boat scene at the end.

Reegs: love it. Oh, I'm trying not to go too old. Let's see if I can find something a bit more modern. Well, we watched all Is Lost, which was a

Sidey: Oh, yeah,

Reegs: movie, the basically about a boat sinking. That's pretty much the whole thing. And watching a guy, you know, a survival movie, essentially a survival drama about Robert Redford's spoke

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: and sinking and, and the, the ways he has to fix it.

Incredible. Barely any music, I don't think. Just mostly visuals and a real time type feel to it.

Sidey: I think we

all really like that,

Reegs: we realized we did quite enjoy it. Yeah. And we all realized we hadn't seen enough Robert Redford movies Moana is literally about a young girl who learns about her island's sailing heritage and revives it.

And is, you know, a beautiful animation with incredible action. And bringing, shining a light on Polynesian mythology that, and we've all loved it has a heavy boat part to it. And there's a Moana two coming.

Sidey: Pete will be really excited. He fucking, that's his favorite animation. He absolutely loves that, as do I. And there's that, there's varying levels. So there's their kind of grounded in real world boats that they have. But then there's those little dudes with the, like masked faces who have all the, the drums and stuff on their boat, like, like a great big kind of villain boat thing that they've got, which was pretty cool.


did, I did enjoy that.

Reegs: we've got the Lego, we've got the Lego of her raft with Maui.

Sidey: And hey, hey, was it, Hey, hey. The chicken.

Reegs: Chicken. Yeah.

Sidey: That's cool. I've got a couple of pirate ships, so we've

just, we've just tolerated the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise and Jack Sparrow's ship is the Black Pearl. And, and much like. Old Jack Oubre in Master Commander, he's very, very into hit the Black Pearl.

And, but does in fact lose it at one stage and in one of the later films, it turns up as a, it's, it's been somehow captured in a bot, you know, the ship in a bottle, but it is his ship in the bottle and somehow he gets it out. I dunno exactly how I've kind of lost concentration to see what happened. But there's the other ship in that, well, there's all sorts of other ships, but the, the one is the cursed one where everyone is like covered in barnacles and made up of like different sort of fishy parts.

And the it, it just surfaces from time to time and causes all kinds of havoc. It's it's, you know, like a wrecked ship that's still parroting its way around because it's got some curse and someone's heart is in a chest which needs to be stabbed

Reegs: David Jones' locker and

Sidey: Yeah,

Yeah. I didn't care too much for those movies, I have to say.

but my daughter really

liked them.

Reegs: they were huge, huge successes though, weren't

Sidey: they?

did get progressively worse and no, they didn't like the first one and they do get worse as they go along. The last one, it was just a flat out Turkey. I mean, it was absolutely poo, but yeah, big, big money. Moneymakers

Reegs: James Cameron, I sometimes get the feeling would really love to do like alien first contact in real life because so much of his movies are about that sort of stuff. And the

Sidey: Yeah, it's

Reegs: is absolutely one of those, and that has a lot of boat slash ship slash submarine action in it. It's about what happens when Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Master Antonio meet a sort of mysterious water alien blob thing underwater.

And then they have to drink some pink liquid and go to the depths of the Marianna Trench, I think, and all sorts of cool stuff. Also Worth talking about boat wise was the romantic comedy cape

Sidey: Oh yeah,

Reegs: In which Robert De Niro and Jessica Lang Lang are, are a sort of estr, well actually it's not really a comedy is it, or romantic comedy, but you got obvi, the, the both, the original 62 1 with Gregory Peck and the Robert De Niro, Nick Nty won in the nineties, I guess Scorsese one they, they finish on with a dramatic scene on a, on a, on a boat in a storm.

Sidey: Taken off in the Simpsons as well,

Reegs: yeah.

Sidey: Which segues very nice into my next one, which is Mr. Burn's yachts or powerboat, or whatever it is. It's called Gone Fishing. As in a play on nuclear

Reegs: Oh yes. Yeah.

Sidey: so that's good. And then Austin Powers has the HMS Shat Sea which was nice. And I forgot to mention my last one, my other pirate ship, which was the Inferno.

Do you remember which movie that

would be from? It's the Goonies. It's the one that's trapped in the underwater cave, which then frees itself and sails past 'em at the end while they're getting harassed by the police. So yeah, that was the Inferno.

Reegs: is that's you wrapping up, is

Sidey: Ooh, I don't know. I've got,

Reegs: I've got a few more as

Sidey: I've only got one left and I have, I, yeah, well, no, actually I've got two left and we've got a few nominations online as well, which we should probably mention.

Reegs: we should definitely get those out. Well, I've got a couple that I just wanted to mention as well as part of my one dead calm was the Sam Neil and Nickel Kidman. Yachting

Sidey: as well,

Reegs: Yachting one where they pick up the psychopathic Billy Zane. That's right. The Perfect Storm. George Clooney Warberg, John C.

Riley. With you know, some great action and some bad acting by Diane Lane and load of melodrama captain Phillips, your mate Tom Hanks in the Somali Pirate drama thing. That was okay. Functionally. Okay. That's faint praise, isn't it? The 1998 Godzilla famously had a bit where the Godzilla rises up out of the water.

It was, think it was in the trailer and the boat was on its head. And of course, boats were destroyed in the beginning of usual suspects. And what was the boat? Was it in? There's a bond one, is it tomorrow? Never

Sidey: Yeah, the stealth boat.

Reegs: Yeah. It's basically just the boat that takes us from Jersey to France.

Sidey: Yeah. There's also one, he chases down the Thames, isn't there? It's like, is it, is it sun seeker? Something like that. Some more product placement. The,


Reegs: do you remember when Daniel Craig was introduced as Bond and they all gave him shit for wearing a life jacket? You're like, well, he had to, he is being insured, but drove him down the Thames, didn't they? Do you remember all that?

Sidey: God, people are petty about stuff, aren't they?

Reegs: Oh my God, he's blonde. He'll be terrible.

Sidey: I've got some others, but they have been covered off by the nominations we've received. So should we get to those?

Reegs: let's hear the, some of those. Let's hear some

Sidey: In fact, quite a few of the ones Darren Lethally with, I wish we had a boat pun, but I couldn't think of one. The climactic battle in Patriot games, but you can't guess what happens to Sean Bean.

And then he's got, or das boot as well, he mentioned, and then you, and Campbell has the Black Pearl, which is the parts of the Caribbean one, the HMS surprise, which is the master and commander one, and the stealth boat from Toronto dies. Costner's Boat in Water World is a good shout. That was a kind of

catamaran. Yeah.

And my favorite movie of all Forest Gump, of course has Jenny, the fishing boat.

Reegs: Geni.

Sidey: Which another like, horrific,

Reegs: Shrimp?

Sidey: horrific scene where they're not catching anything and then there's a hurricane and they shout at God and their boat survives and everyone else dies and they're able to plunder all the fucking shrimp out of the sea because they shouted at God.

And then batch down Leafly, he's got Titanic, which neither of us mentioned. Pretty well

Reegs: Oh yeah.

Sidey: known ship. That one.

Reegs: That was about a boat. I can't remember what the name of it was

Sidey: iceberg, I think. I went to the Titanic Museum last year. It was actually really interesting. And saved the very best for last. And I couldn't really mention this for myself cause I actually haven't seen the movie, but speed two under C speed.

Reegs: Cruise Control Speed two. Cruise Control course. It's got, yes.

Sidey: guy's name?

They've got the guy that


Reegs: Isaac is the, he plays

Sidey: not quite a, a brilliant replacement for Keanu. No. So we need to whittle that down then to Mia. Four out of that quite incredible list, what you gonna put

Reegs: Yeah. I am gonna put in, oh gosh. I'm gonna put in Moana and because I, because I can, cuz there's only two of us and I can put in two, I'm putting Moana and under Siege.

Sidey: Okay. Good shout. I'm gonna put in the orca from Jaws cuz that's definitely was the first one I thought of when we came to this and, and I think we should put in speed two. Because what else is that ever gonna win? And then I, my final one is going to be a ship that you may find this controversial, but it never actually gets in the water.

This jabber's sail barge. Am I allowed that

Reegs: Oh, what? Just cuz it's got the word barge in it. It's not really Oh,

Sidey: If not, then it's gonna be gone fishing and Mr. Burns's yacht.

Reegs: oh, I suppose it says sail barge. It's difficult to with.

Sidey: Oh, oh, oh. No. Let's put it in the Belafonte Cratic. We'll put that in. Cause that's a great movie. Yeah. Boom.

Reegs: Nice.


So Sidey, you picked a movie for us nautically themed, going along with what we've been

Sidey: Yes. And sometimes we sort of stray from our original mission, but this was very much a film that I hadn't seen that was within the timeframe that I wanted to see. And so I nominated it, which is The Life of Pie.

Reegs: Perfect.

Sidey: I had high hopes because this seemed to have a lot of Buzz positive buzz and people seem to really like it.

And I think it did well in the awards seasons. So, yeah,

Reegs: and it's based off a, it was based off a, a of a bestselling novel by Jan Martel, which I'd read which the movie follows very closely. And it is directed by Ang Lee. He'd done a load of stuff, probably Hulk was the best preparation for this.

Sidey: Yeah

Reegs: but he'd also done, of course, the brilliant, absolutely brilliant um, movie that I for.

Yeah. Broke back

Sidey: and Ice Storm the one with Jonah Allen looking hot and other films that are also probably good. Yeah, so I just knew this was the, like guy in a RA with the Tiger movie basically was what I knew about it.

Reegs: yeah. And I went to see this at the cinema. So the other thing that I really distinctly remember about this was the 3D.

Sidey: Okay,

Reegs: and it was, it was a big thing, the 3D for this. So yeah, I did go to see this in the cinema and the use of animals in this, the CGI use of animals was groundbreaking and the 3D as well was, was really something quite astonishing.

Sidey: well the start is like animal century. I thought I was watching like The Lion King or something. It was a shitload of animals at the start.

Reegs: yeah, and it intersperses real and CG animals, which I guess is a kind of preparing you for what's about to come in the rest of the movie so it doesn't feel too weird. But yeah, it's, it's, it's a, it's a kind of zoo in ponder cherry that they're showing, isn't it?

Sidey: Yeah. And then it's a guy, a, a journalist or someone who's, who's heard about this fella and has traveled to see him and is gonna write a story of his life.

Reegs: Yeah, Rafe Spa, ostensibly playing Jan Martel himself, he's in search of a story and he's, he's been referred to this guy Pie Patel by his uncle, who was a great triangle shaped swimming, obsessive that he overheard. and his, his uncle had told him in I think in Canada this was that his nephew had a story that will make him believe in God.

And so that's how he's found himself talking to, to Pie. Patel wants to hear his life story. So anyway, yeah. This, this obsessed uncle who loved all the, the greatest swimming pools in the world. and eventually he pa has, he acquired his full name, which is Pissin Moto. He's actually named after a, a, a, a famous swimming pool in France.

So this is brilliant. And at first his schoolmates, they tease him eventually pretty quickly by transforming his name into pissing instead of pissing. And you know, even the teacher does it, I think, and we see, and then so when he goes to secondary school, he very quickly establishes like a short form version of his name.

I'm Pi you know what Pi is by the way? Side

Sidey: Something you eat,

Reegs: And the ratio of the circumference of, yeah. The ratio of a circumference of a circle to its diameter, of course. Anyway, so when he goes to his new school, he writes out on the Blackboard, doesn't

Sidey: to a million decimal places Yeah. Someone, someone's there with a, with a

Reegs: complete legend.

Sidey: It's a textbook entirely off pie. And the, the, the guy's look beaming, like, oh my God, he's, he's actually doing it and he's just, he's only like his fifth blackboard of writing out the decimals. You know, he is going through it all and everyone's astonished at his his level of kindness.

Reegs: So it's a great little introduction into who Pie Patel was, his backstory what he was like as a kid and why he's got this crazy name. And then we hear a bit more about h how he was raised. You know, we see him raised as a Hindu and practicing vegetarianism and he learns about Vishnu and sleep on a sea of stars.

And everything is just a con, you know, is just vishnu's, just a consequence of vishnu's dreaming. And then he also gets involved in Islam and Christianity Catholicism specifically. And he just wants to love and understand God through the sort of the lens of each different religion. Yeah. And even though his father is a scientist and rationalist and tries to convince him otherwise, he, you know, he wants to, he, he definitely believes in God and he believes in a Christian and Islamic and and a Hindus God, which is, you know, convenient if you're writing a metaphor or a parable. But anyway, his family owns a zoo.

Sidey: Yes, as you do.

Reegs: And he takes an interest in the animals, particularly they've got a bengalese tiger named Richard Parker.

Sidey: Right. So our football club that Pete, Dan and I represent the club secretary is called Richard Parker.

Reegs: Right.

Sidey: And so every time that name was mentioned I was just almost like taken out of the movie through no fault of the films at all. And I just kept thinking about Richard Parker all the time.

Reegs: Well, and I assume you read the fairly bizarre story behind the name Richard Parker in this as well. So anyway, in the, the, the park is the, the, the tiger is called Parker in this as a result of a clerical error when he was transferred over. So instead of having his name, he got the hunter's name and, and the, the Tiger's name was switched on the form.

But the, the real Richard Parker thing is really weird because this is obviously a story about people who were lost at sea. And Edgar Allen Poe wrote A novel is only novel, the narrative of Arthur Gordon Pim of Nantucket, which was published in 1830, which told the story of four men Lost at Sea, who ate the Cabin Boy to survive, and the Cabin Boy's name, and it was Richard Parker.

And then a few years after that, there was a real life yacht called the Minette that sank. And the exact circumstances of that story happened, four people made their way into a lifeboat and decided to kill and eat the youngest. And the youngest on that boat was called Richard Parker. So yeah, a bizarre story, you know, involving Edgar Allen and Poe and real life and obviously having a lot of meaning.

In this Richard Parker pie is introduced to him when he gets like really dangerously close to him feeding him, it's a few times we see pie's. Death wish he's feed him cuz he wants to see the ferocious nature of the animal. Of the animal and the tigered. He kills him and his father, like help proves a big lesson against him, doesn't he?


Sidey: makes him.

Reegs: makes him.

Sidey: Watch the Tiger Killer. Kill and eat a goat.

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: This is not a cat for petting.

Reegs: that's what he says. Yeah.

Sidey: It's a killing machine. Really.

Reegs: yeah. So he's taught something fairly brutal about animals. Anyway. One night during, so it's set in the sort of seventies, the, the late seven, mid to late seventies. And during the emergency, which was when the state of emergency was declared across the country, his father decides to flee India.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: the zoo on board and make their way to Canada, the us I, the US is it first and then Canada. They're gonna sell all the animals

Sidey: a hell of a journey.

Reegs: for themselves in the west. Yeah. And they go on board a Japanese freighter.

Sidey: That's right. Yeah. And they've had to sedate the animals for the journey.

Reegs: That's right. And they meet a very instantly racist cook. Gerard Depar di, who's kind of, doesn't respect the pies. Mother's please, for a vegetarian meal.

Sidey: Yeah, he says some pretty outrageous comments.

Reegs: yeah. And there's a, there's a Buddhist guy who's like, I'll just have the rice and the gravy. It's fine. Don't worry about it.

Sidey: Hmm.

Reegs: Um,

Sidey: Go to plan.

Reegs: No.

Sidey: We, you could be mistaken for thinking you are watching the Titanic at this point.

Reegs: Yeah, yeah. Well, one night pie is awoken, isn't he? And he's like, he runs out and there's a storm. He tries to get his brother to go with him. And the storm is brewing and he's shouting at it. And it's like a second time that we've seen him like rolling the dice with something dangerous. And the storm very quickly goes from something that he's enthralled by to then suddenly he's watching people getting washed overboard.

And as he goes down, he tries to free his family and, and it's just chaos. Straight away. There's like zebras swimming in the corridors and all sorts of stuff. And eventually he ends up on a lifeboat, a zebra sort of jumps in and smashes it down, and he ends up in, in it with him. That zebra has broken its leg.

The ship sinks down into the Marianna Trench. He sees it all happening. It's this beautiful slow motion shot,

Sidey: yeah, there is that bit. But before, before they get to that shot of the, of the ship actually going down, there's, there's just like the kinetic, kind of just chaotic scenes of his little lifeboat just getting pummeled and thrown a under. And I thought it did a really good job of capturing that kind of just, you know, panic inducing fucking, who knows what's going on, moment of it just getting thrown around and

Reegs: The immense power of the sea.

Sidey: of the elements.

And you just got absolutely, you fucking, just completely outta control. And I thought the movie captured that pretty well. And then, like you say, he is he is under, under the water and you see the, the ship going past and, you know, fucking, all hands are lost.

Reegs: I mean, it, it sinks in a matter of like minutes and it's all done sort of real time, isn't it?

Sidey: Have been good to see that at the cinema

Reegs: it was an incredible, this was an incredible movie to see at the cinema. So, you know, there is a big storm and, and Pie manages to get back to the boat. And when he sort of comes to, and the storm dies down, he finds that he's in there with this injured zebra.

And then he's very quickly joined by an orangutan floating on a bunch of bananas called orange juice. And she, she jumps into the, the boat and then I think a hyena comes out.

Sidey: Yeah. There's a tar paulin basically across half of the the lifeboat that he's on. and he's not aware of what's under there at this point. And when the hyena comes out, you, you know, you're thinking, well, dog, you know, looks kind of dog sized, but this is a ferocious fucking thing that is gonna kill anything.

It can,

Reegs: it's straightaway goes for the zebra because the zebra's injured, broken leg, et cetera. And, I think it, it's, it's. Does it then also fights the orangutang

Sidey: it gets the ang it bites it around the neck and takes it to the ground. I think at one point the Iran does actually whack it and it thinks that they've, you know, they've got it under control, but it jumps up and basically, I guess it ran by the jugular. And and she's, she's a gunner, unfortunately.

She's certainly down and out and he looks, he kind of crawls over to see what he can do and then fucking outta nowhere the fucking bangal tiger just roars into action and takes out the hyena and the proper like jump, scare moment, cuz Well, I suppose you kind of, you know, you've seen the, the poster or whatever and you know that the, the Tiger's about, but you know, you're not quite expecting it at that moment.

Reegs: yeah. So here's this guy pie, then trapped on a tiny lifeboat with a in the middle of nowhere. With a Bengal tiger

Sidey: Yeah, he has to, he has to find a solution pretty quick because obviously they can't cohabit that fucking tiny little space together. So he, he gets the awes in a kind of triangular formation with the Life ring thingy, whatever you call it. And just fashion, something that he can sit on, which is tethered to the boat where he can be out at sea.

Reegs: Yeah. And this kicks so

Sidey: And then he, he's, he's got some supplies and he just goes back to this journal of you know, the survivalist guide to how to, to live it. what you're stranded out to see.

Reegs: It kicks off many wondrous scenes of his adapting and surviving learning to fish, catching fish, and then apologizing to it and to Vish knew for breaking his, his vegetarian vows, collecting water, making shade. There's this incredible scene where it's like a nighttime scene with bioluminescent jellyfish and a huge whale comes up and it looks majestic, and then suddenly it smashes through everything he's created and he has to start again.

Sidey: Yeah,

cuz ,there's a, there's, there's scenes where, you know, it starts off and it, it's completely an utterly basic of him just sitting on a, a very sort of slap dash raft. And every time it cuts back to him, he's improved it in some way. So at one point he has, he's got a kind of table and has made himself something that he.

Stay shaded from, and I thought at one point we were gonna cut back and he'd have like satellite TV and a fucking big screen tally. It was getting so advanced. But then he gets just before the whale, he's got all his provisions out and he's doing a stock take. And you're just thinking, don't do that. It's gonna fucking go over

And sure enough, when the whale, well, I dunno, there was much he could have done anyway. We're in the whale breaches, the surface and lands. I mean you're talking tonnage, hitting the, hitting the surface, everything goes and he's gotta start from scratch again.

Reegs: yeah, yeah. And that's not to mention being also threatened by constant swimming sharks and all, every, so often huge shoals of flying

Sidey: that was cool because he just stood, he's just stood on the, on the deck cuz he's trying to find a way of feeding Richard Parker. Okay.

Reegs: Well, he eventually realizes that he can't just live on this kind of tiny raft that he's made. He needs to take back the boat and the supplies that are in the boat. So he begins to sort of try and condition Richard Parker, like using a stick and some food and to sort of move him around and feed him and a whistle and, and the motion sickness of the boat and the, the noise of the whistle.

So, eventually he's sort of able to establish his dominance ef effectively over Richard Parker. So that the, the, the animal is

Sidey: Well, he, he trains it.

Reegs: whatever that Yeah, he trains it.

Sidey: know, and he, he even mentions this to how they do it in the circus and stuff. And he has still, I mean, it's, it's not a tame animal. It's, there's a lot of risks, but he's just stood on the, on

Reegs: Well, he eventually,

Sidey: one of those flying fish hits him

Reegs: yeah.

Sidey: becomes like a full on attack of just hundreds of these things going into the boat.

And he's just stood there, covered in scales where he's just been like, had a broad side of these things. And

Reegs: Well, that's when there's a really big fish comes on board and he make, and he threatens Parker away. He's like, no, the big fish is mine. You have the small ones. But he also, you know, there's many trials and tribulations. I don't think we have to des describe them all, but crazy, amazing scenes of him with the animals and him with Parker.

And effectively what he comes to realize is that caring for Richard Parker is keeping him alive as well. So he's been through these horrible storms and these, and after one such horrendous storm, you know, he's, they're, they're really done now. They've got no water, nothing to eat. And he eventually sort of ends up washing up on a sort of floating island of sort of edible cucumbery water things inhabited by like thousands of mere cats.

Richard Parker is pretty happy to see those. You just see him sort of like lolloping through the thousands of mere cats eating, eating them.

Sidey: Definitely there was no predator up until this point for them.

Reegs: Yeah. And there's like these fresh water pools, so it's like, you know, this bountiful island the, they inhabit and gets them strong again, but at night when they go to sleep again with another one of those bioluminescent scenes, he sees that the island is actually kind of carnivorous and is somehow feeding on fish and

Sidey: He finds some teeth, doesn't he?

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: He's, so I, although this is great I can't actually stay here. This is, you know, this will be where I die. I, if I don't, you know, get back on board the, that must have been a tough decision, you know, so I've gotta get back on that fucking raft and back out to sea because, you know, I'm just choosing death here over choosing to try and find somewhere else, you know?

So, and he has to

Reegs: he fills up the boat with mere cats

Sidey: had just wrapped in like

some banana leaf or something. Yeah. And he has to get Richard Parker back on the boat and set off again.

Reegs: Yeah. And they do. And eventually, you know, they, they reach land in a sort of inhabited place and they get onto it. He I think pie is found by some local fishermen and Richard Parker just goes off into the, the jungle and pie is too weak to see him, and he's lying in the sand and he watches him go and he's heartbroken because Richard Parker doesn't even look back at him.

He just

Sidey: No, he just bugs off He's looking pretty emaciated. Richard Parker. He probably needed something to eat so they were out of mere cats and he had to go and find something else.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And it cuts back to sort of the present day of him recounting his story back to this this dude

Reegs: He kind of, he's obviously like, wow, this is quite a story

Sidey: Is it

Reegs: some bits that don't necessarily make a lot of sense here. And then this is a bit where we see where Pie he is rescued and he's bought to the hospital and, and this bit is much more subtle in the book, I think, than it was in the movie or at least it felt like it when you were reading it.

But you know this bit where he's explaining the story to Rafe Spa's character and what happened at the time when he's talking to the Japanese freighter company, insurance people.

Sidey: Just don't believe him.

Reegs: they ask him, they just don't believe him, either of him. And he's, they ask him to tell him a different story about what might have happened, and he tells them a story in which the animals are replaced by humans.

So his mother is the orangutang I believe the Buddhist guy was the zebra, I think. And the cook is the hyena.

Sidey: that's right. Yeah.

Reegs: cook is the hyena, which then leaves Richard Parker as pie. And you know, the in inference being that

terrible acts had to be committed by even pie himself in order to stay alive for his journey, which he was alive, I think, on the water for 227 days or something in the story. Something like that.

Sidey: Which is a feral chunk of time to be stranded at sea.

Reegs: yeah. And so when he tells it and he tells them to, to choose the story that they prefer.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: it turns out that Rave spa and the Japanese freighted people prefer this story where this all happened with a bunch of animals. And you know, they, they wrote it up the insurance company that he was indeed on board a lifeboat with an adult Bengal tiger.


Sidey: and it wasn't a whole rampant cannibalism story

Reegs: So, yeah. What did you think?

Sidey: half an hour in before we got to any of the, cuz it does take a little while to get going with the you know, shipwreck and all that. I was not

Reegs: Yeah, cuz you learn a lot about pie and his background

Sidey: Yeah, I was struggling with that bit, to be honest with you. I was just, I just wanted to get to, to the bit that I was really looking forward to. And then once we were there I guess seeing on the small screen, it didn't have as, as great an impact as it would've done at the local multiplex. So the, I think the part of the problem I had with it was that for the duration of the time that he was at, There were some moments that I thought were absolutely knockout that I really, really enjoyed and thought were fantastic. But when you are watching something where someone's in a captive place, there's only kind of so much that you can do with it before it gets a bit stale. And so I did find it, it sort of lulled a little bit.

Overall I did enjoy it. It just wasn't, I dunno, maybe I found it a little bit overread or it just, there was a lot of hype coming into it and it didn't quite live up to it for me. But I did, I did enjoy it. I wish it had taken a little bit less time to get going. But some of the, some of the visual stuff, like you mentioned a bit with the whale, was really, really spectacular.

Would've loved to have seen that in all its glory at the,

at the cinema.

Reegs: And there are many, many great cinematic moments like, you know, I'm thinking of like, there's a really painterly shot where the, where the water is reflecting exactly the sky and it looks like, you know, watercolor painting and there's some bits where he's sleeping at night and he's exactly like Vishnu was described at the beginning.

And, you know, there's a lot that's good about it. You know, parable about the relativity of truth and in spirituality and about survival, instinct, and also a bit about. The essence of religious belief and you know, a kind of preachy, you get to choose what you believe in type religion message. I didn't care for the spirituality stuff actually this time round.

I just really enjoyed the central part of the movie cuz it's so well made. It looks so beautiful. The acting is good. It's well told. It's just an lee's just a goddamn legend. So,

Sidey: yeah, they had they had Stephen Callahan as the nautical consultant. He was in 1982, stranded at sea for 76 days in a rubber lifeboat

after his boat sank. I think Howie's Man crush. Ray Meers did a survival episode on him, and he would have. Obviously difficulties of just the fact that you're at a sea.

But he would like puncture the raft occasionally with his fishing hook and they'd have to find a way of fixing holes. You know, that would be pretty fucking stressful. But it was all the detail of like, the best part of the fish to eat would be his eyeball because it would just had a slightly different texture and you'd come to crave that part of it and all that, all the rest of it, and how you could you know, keep water fresh for you to drink and all that.

It's really, you know, I do really enjoy those survival things of how people make it against all the odds. They're really, really interesting. So that's pretty cool.

Reegs: this one has a big, you know, obviously it's a parable. It's not supposed to be, it's not a, like you're not supposed to in any way think that this is a true story, what happened. In fact, the relativistic nature of the truth in it is part of it. And Richard Parker, you know, this open to so many interpretations.

Parker may just be PI's sort of symbol for himself in the most basic interpretation. You know, the amoral and animalistic side of himself that allowed himself to survive. But also Parker could be God in this interpreter. There are loads of other things. So, yeah, it's an interesting movie, thematically as well, I guess.

Sidey: Smashed it at the box office. The budget for it was 120 mil. It took over 600, 609 mil. It's one of those slightly weird ones that when that one best director without winning the best film Oscar. The previous time that had happened was also an, an angry film for Broke back Mountain, interestingly enough.

So yeah. Moneymaker award sensation.

Reegs: There's a slight element now because it's 2012. Was it when this came

Sidey: yeah.

Reegs: A slight element of uncanny valley in the animal animation that wasn't there at the time. I remember just being absolutely blown away. It just looked wondrous at the time, and now, you know, 10 years later, a little hints in the way, not necessarily how it looked, but in movement and that sort of thing.

Sidey: Yeah, there was a few bits that I was a bit like, well that hasn't aged so well. But it didn't, it didn't really bother me cuz you just kind of just, you just brushed past all that. Overall it didn't, it didn't detract me. I was just liked, I'm just impatient. I think it, it's just me. I just wanted to get straight into it.

I think this is a strong recommend, right?

Reegs: yeah, yeah. Oh, ley. I love all this stuff.

Sidey: Nice Kids tv. And I had to search for a good two or three minutes to find something that had a boat connection and we landed on Rosie and Jim because these are two hellish ragdoll things that live on a barge.

Reegs: Yeah, at first I thought it was kind of cute. They're this sort of biracial couple, I guess Rosie and Jim.

Sidey: And he's Ginger as well.

Reegs: that's what I mean. Yeah. He's Ginger and she's whatever she is, but and they, yeah.

Sidey: So the, the, I guess the premise is that they are too

Reegs: Well, what is

Sidey: size. Well, there's, I don't remember watching this when I was young. I think this, I was probably too old and too cool for this. But the idea is that it's a, a guy who lives on a barge and four reasons, I don't know, has two life size dolls that accompany him on his travels up and down the locks.

Reegs: Yes, but not only that, they animate when he can't see them, when he doesn't look at them sort of toy story style and move about the boat and sort of prank him

Sidey: Yeah. In this


Reegs: and the boat is called ragdoll because it's obviously, or not obviously, but this is a rag do productions,

Sidey: Yes. and they are kind of rag dolls.

Reegs: yeah. And they are rag dolls.

Sidey: infantile way of talking to each other.

And in this one they are drawing. And on the hatch that they open on the barge there is then a, like a wooden duck. And Jim or maybe both of them was trying to do a picture of that. He'd already done a picture of the boat, the barge, and some scenery, and then they were doing pictures of the duck, but they ended up moving it around.

Is that right? I mean, I

Reegs: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no, the, so there's an artist drawing the boat. I think that it's Neil Brewer was because there's been three owners of the Ragdoll, which is the boat, Neil Brewer Tule. So he, he's just, he casts off and just as he's casting off on the barge some guy stops him, oh, hang on a minute.

I was drawing. Yeah. And he, oh, fucking L right. So he has to like, wind, you know, whatever they do, I dunno all the terms, but he winds it back up with the rope or whatever, and parks it up, and the guy's like, oh yeah, I'm gonna draw it now if that's all right. And so he sits out front of it and he draws him as well.

Tule at the front, but then he shows him at the end, this is where it's a bit like,

Sidey: ho.

Reegs: Some hideous ghost story or whatever. He's like, oh, you know, he draws in Rosie and Jim behind him. He's like, well, what's that? He's like, well, that's what I saw. Right. What is the interpretation here? Is it the souls of two kids who've somehow been stuck into Ragdolls and imprisoned on the boat?

Or are they like fritz, all like children that have been squirreled away and

Sidey: yeah. He's got two slave kids, which it's two. The reality of it, of his crime is so horrific that he sees them. Toy dolls to,

that's his coping mechanism. The other thing that's

Reegs: and you think when he showed him his like drawings, it was just like a load of like crude, like depictions of violent sexual fantasies, but done in crayon.

Sidey: The other thing that, that I find weird in these things is when you have adults talking to each other in a child's program, they interact

Reegs: Like fucking morons,

Sidey: a way that no two humans have ever look. Adult humans have ever spoken to each other in the history of mankind. And you're watching going. Just talk to each other like your people, like what the fuck is going on? And it, it's weird. And then the guy, the, the owner of the barge is asked to pose where for this like haunting image. He, he sits like cross-legged with an accordion in front of the barge.

And, The guy that's doing the drawing just constantly berating him for not sitting still and moving his arm.

And you'd just be like, just fuck off. You've got the fucking picture now. But they did, they really did talk to each other, like they were two people imitating like a six year old or something like that. And I was

just like, what the fuck is going on? But

Reegs: at it and I thought, there are a lot of bodies in that canal.

Sidey: Yeah, they need to dredge that for sure.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: I would dred to think what they might find.

Reegs: but yeah, I, so yeah, it, it is weird. The, I mean, the, the basic premise is that these are two, a biracial, couple of dolls that are in love who come to life when no one's looking.

Sidey: I just got the impression that you didn't really have to try hard when you were making these sort of programs back in these, because this would've been what, early nineties?

Reegs: Well, it was started in 1990. So cuz that was Ficog was the first

Sidey: these names

Reegs: boat Master. He, he was the first master of the ragdoll played by John Cunliffe. That was in 1990. There was Pat Hutchins, she was nicknamed Loopy Lobes. Loopy LOEs. She worked there on the rag door between 95 and 96. And then the one that we watched, Tule, Neil Brewer, he was from 97 to 2000. This looked a lot older than

Sidey: I was gonna say cuz that's, we'd left school by then

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: and, and it

Reegs: but I do remember this and the story was not story, but I do the theme tune was, was also one for the ages. Where I did a where are they now on this? So, Rosie became a beautician in Shropshire. She's married, she's got two children and a dog named Almond. Whilst Jim is now in a long distance polyamorous relationship with a couple from Canada.

So that's,

Sidey: Even though he is a doll.

Reegs: that's, yeah.

Sidey: Oh, wow. Okay. Well good luck to him.

Reegs: Yeah, exactly. So nice boat, creepy puppets, I would

Sidey: Yeah. Strong recommend. All righty Riggs, that was good


Reegs: Well, it wasn't too bad, was it? That was all right. I enjoyed the movie. I must say. Everybody went out pretty much, and I just put the movie on and I just cranked the sound up and I enjoyed that. Yeah,

Sidey: That's good. And you are

gonna find a couple of things for us to watch over the week for next week.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: I dunno whether we're we're gonna remote it or we might try and sort something out where we're able to be in the same room. I dunno.

Reegs: It's not like we're, we've actually been inundated with offers. We're just being a bit choosy, aren't we?

Sidey: Yeah, and it takes a little bit of organizing stuff

Reegs: I know people just think, you just sort of make it happen really easily, but no, you have to be like geniuses and like really good looking and stuff.

Sidey: yeah, well we've got half of that covered. So we'll sort something out. I mean, we will have an episode, but just, it's just where we physically record it from. This is great content. You will, you don't have nominations for us now, do you?

Reegs: No,

Sidey: But you'll think of something.

Reegs: Put it in a twitterverse. I would like snake lift skin or whatever to get back in touch. He was great if he get back in touch Twitter

Sidey: it did he leave contact details? Can we get back to him?

Reegs: He didn't. No, he didn't. No. And I, yeah, we can't get his email address or anything, but just to, just to bother sending us abuse through the website.

I love it.

Sidey: Yeah. I need more of that. Right. That's cool. All that remains is to say side signing out.

Reegs: Res out.