Rustin & Creeped Out

Rustin

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dads Film Review, the podcast where a bunch of dads watch the movies they missed while we were off busy being terrible fathers. This week we'll start things off with a look at the top five adverts. Funny, interesting, captivating, attention grabbing, artistic, we're unlikely to be any of those as we delve into the world of commercial expression.

Thanks for listening. After that, we'll continue our recent love affair with the biopic as we take a look at Netflix's Oscar nominated Rustin. Now you guys probably already knew that the architect of one of the defining moments of the civil rights movement and the guy who organized the stage where Martin Luther King famous pre Famously proclaimed, I have a dream, was actually a guy called Bayard Rustin, who was almost erased from history because of his sexual identity, but this was news to me.

But were we entertained? We'll find out later. And we finish things off with a look at Black Mirror for Children, anthology horror TV series Creeped Out, hosted by a creepy masked twat called The Curious, who collects stories like Harvey Weinstein collects restraining orders. All that's left to do is introduce the usual wankers, starting with Dan, who remembers the very first advert selling fire.

Uh, He also remembers when they were only on TV and not on every fucking device you own. We also have pretty Romanian Chris, who struggles to focus on anything longer than a TikTok video, and Sidey, who isn't exactly a deviant, but likes to challenge the norms of society and sometimes the laws of physics.

Which is nice, isn't it? And then there's me, Riggs, hello.

Sidey: Hello.

Dan: G'day. How's your week been?

Reegs: Hectic, we've just moved house, so that's a lot of shit to do.

Dan: Pfft, sounds,

Sidey: of,

Reegs: Sort

of, yeah, I mean, we're getting in there, but

Sidey: Yeah, there's

Reegs: Mmm, yeah, there's still a bit of that going on, yeah. But we're getting there.

Sidey: Okay,

Dan: okay, good, well done, because it's I mean

Normally a good weekend before you feel like you're you've moved in properly, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, well, maybe a little longer What about yourself? Sidi, have you moved house?

Sidey: No, no I haven't. I'm still at

my house that was at last

week, And I did quite a, Well, fairly hectic.

week. I don't think I watched anything, other than

Dan: don't

Sidey: the homework, and like my usual catalogue of YouTube stuff that I'm

into.

Dan: I just have

Sidey: No, I just have regular, like, I watch more YouTube than anything else.

Dan: YouTube than anything else. Yeah, there's quite a

Sidey: been taking on board? It's quite a lot of golf content in there. Golf life. Tubes and, and Jimmy Bullard. and there's another golf guy.

I don't know why I watch the other one because it's fairly painful and other things I've subscribed to. And then, yeah, like you say, you just get into a rabbit hole of what the Al Gore rhythm throws at

Dan: at you. Al Gore. Did you move house, Chris?

no,

Cris: yeah, I'm still in the same place. It's very difficult for me to move house.

Dan: Right.

Cris: No, I don't have a cart. I don't have a donkey or a horse

Dan: No. Is, they're heavy, aren't

Cris: I'm a bit grounded now.

Dan: Okay,

Cris: We have the top floor as well. It's like two floors in this. It's, yeah, it's, it's difficult. I couldn't put the horse in.

Reegs: the horse in.

Cris: Yeah. I couldn't put the horse in as well. So no, it looks like we're going to be there for a while. I did, however, managed to watch a movie. Yeah, I told you this last week when I briefly saw it, not that briefly, but I've seen you last week.

A movie called gold,

Which is

funny enough about gold.

Sidey: We had

Reegs: We reviewed it on the

Dan: it with

Reegs: Matthew McConaughey. Yes,

Cris: When he's bold, I really enjoyed it. It was really good. And I watched it with the missus. She, she actually kind of dropped what she was doing, which was pretty good.

Sidey: she

Cris: and she watched it with me and she really enjoyed it as well. So it was, it's always a bonus. And

Sidey: I can't remember how we felt about

1. I think it

Reegs: Interesting story, but a little bit lukewarm on it, I remember. I enjoyed

Cris: enjoyed it. I enjoy, I like the I can't remember the Spanish because he could be Spanish speaking

Dan: Yeah, I know who you mean.

Cris: I like him as an actor. I think he's, he's

Dan: was in Mother as well, wasn't he? Maybe not.

Sidey: That's

heavy about

them. It,

Reegs: Yeah.

No, but Robert Pattinson's in it. He's really

Cris: Yes, yeah, yeah, he's, he's Is he?

Sidey: Yes.

Reegs: Oh no, that's Lost City Zed I'm thinking of,

Dan: we're good, aren't we? People listening are going,

These

Reegs: knows. They're on

Dan: They know their

Cris: No, there was McConaughey and Yeah, him, and this Spanish guy and a lot of other guys that you would recognize. I mean, you've done it for the I enjoyed it, and that's kind of it.

I don't have anything else to report. Did you watch anything interesting?

Dan: went to the cinema.

Cris: Oh yes,

Dan: Did. I went. You did

Reegs: you move house?

Dan: I. Did move house, but then I moved back again. So, just to get it all done

Sidey: So only 25

percent of us have moved house. which if you extrapolate that across the

population, there's a lot. It's a lot of people moving house And I didn't think the the property market was that buoyant.

but there we go.

Cris: How

did you find you went to watch

Dan: Yeah, well, we just walked there and it was there as shown there.

Cris: Right. Okay.

Dan: it like that. But yeah, we found it just at the cinema. But we, we went in and we had seats that were in like H and yeah, we went about halfway across and there wasn't anybody with like a big hat in front of me.

So that was good.

Reegs: And we

Dan: we watched Oppenheimer

Sidey: was, there? many people there?

Because

Dan: yeah, it was still, it was still quite

Sidey: they were still showing it.

Dan: two thirds full, I would say. And it was the loudest film that just, I don't know how you all didn't hear it. It was so fucking loud. And I, as soon as it came on, I thought, the missus is going to last 20 minutes top in this, like,

Sidey: Did she get to see the first sex scene? Because that's roughly 20 minutes in, something like

that.

Dan: Yeah, she might, she might have just zoned out soon after or around that

Sidey: does like quite a lot of

shagging for you know, theoretical

physicist.

Dan: I mean what it's a brilliant film it's it's really well put together It doesn't seem anywhere near three hours I mean,

Cris: yeah, I found that.

Dan: just goes through but it is a little bit like a school lesson or you know It's very interesting, but you feel like you have to concentrate on everything.

Sidey: Okay, well, hold that thought for when we talk about.

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: There might, there might be a little test later of course she did fall asleep she didn't understand anything that was going on and kept on asking me, but then it was too loud for me to properly explain so we had a drink afterwards where I just ran through the film in about 10 minutes and said it was about a bomb, it went off nobody was really happy about it, a few people got,

Sidey: I am, I am death,

Dan: out of

Sidey: destroyer of

Dan: and yeah, it, but

Sidey: It's

going to, It's

going to sweep. It's going to sweep the

Dan: it is, you know, it's one of those films that it actually you should watch it probably a couple of times to really get all the things, but it's so long and there isn't a lot of action or anything, then you'd have to be really.

it worth doing for the pod, because it's

Reegs: Is it worth doing for the pod?

Because it's the only way I'll watch it, is if we do it for the pod at some point. It doesn't have to be now, it could be in about another

ten

Dan: could be in about another 10 years.

Cris: many, there's more stories than one within the movie. And I don't know, for a movie that doesn't have any action. Really,

it's, it has a way of keeping you

Dan: Fucking

loud, like in the really, really loud,

Sidey: he has that weird thing, Nolan, about sound mixing in, in his movies, it

Dan: if he told him to play it, that she straight away, as soon as she said, can you go and tell him to turn it

Sidey: Anyway, I don't think we

came here to

Dan: don't do that

Sidey: Oppenheimer in that detail. I had a very late submission for.

Footballer cameos and it plays into this week's

top five, which we got.

Reegs: I think it was Foreigners though, last week,

Sidey: No, this is, that's what I mean, it's very late because it was for footballers, which was

two weeks ago, two pods ago. and it

was Pele for adverts about

Dan: Oh,

Reegs: Oh, that's good,

Sidey: Yeah. is he that?

lol, hard up for cash, that he had

to

Dan: Well he could be on this,

Reegs: for

Dan: this week's top five, couldn't

Reegs: he had to do it? A

Sidey: a stiffy.

Reegs: points in his life, yeah.

Dan: Take one of these and you, you're 20

Cris: was hard for cash at a few points in his life. Yeah. Like really bad at one point.

So.

Sidey: Well that explains it.

Cris: So he had to do all sorts,

Dan: Which is a shame. But there you go. Yeah, it is an advert. He could fit in this week, couldn't he?

Sidey: Did we have any submissions for,

last week's

foreigners?

Reegs: Yes, there were a few on Discord. Do bear with me.

Dan: Disgruntled.

Reegs: We had Beaver says the Predator was a right fucker of a foreigner and also compels us to watch Prey.

I've been doing that for the

Sidey: Yeah, it's great. It's really, really good.

Reegs: Darren has got Green Card, Gerard Depardieu. That's a

Sidey: Oh, he was in the news again this week, wasn't he, for being a rapist, or?

Cris: Is he still alive? Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah, he looks like shit, though.

Reegs: He's huge, isn't he?

Sidey: Yeah,

Cris: Is he, is he in Russia or is he in France?

Sidey: I don't know, but it was, it was in the, it made the headlines again for being a prick again.

this week.

Reegs: Muriel's Wedding, the South African swimmer guy for that she marries for the Australian citizenship.

Past Lives, I've been hearing a lot about that the girl from Seoul emigrates to Canada and then New York. And Love Actually, skinny beanpole bloke from my family. Have you ever watched that? I

Cris: never

Dan: I have seen it, but I don't recall that character, but I wouldn't He

Reegs: He says

in Richard Curtis's appalling slice of middle class wank fantasy.

Sidey: So, All of them.

Reegs: Some of them. All

of them. All of them. Put them all in.

Dan: So, the point normally where everybody goes to make a cup of tea or go to the toilet or whatever.

Sidey: This is going to place Me in a certain time

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: Because I avoid them

like

the plague now.

And I exist mostly in youtube where you get a 5 second and then you can skip

What I would say a lot of my ones Like, I would say golden age of advertisements, where there are proper, like,

Reegs: I was thinking about this. Like, how am I going to talk about on YouTube where you get a 6 second advert for Duolingo? Or, what,

Sidey: dominoes it's

Dan: Or Grammarly.

Reegs: Yeah, or Grammarly or something. Like, you know, yeah, I don't So yeah, a lot of mine are a bit classic. Maybe I've missed out on more recent ones.

Dan: Let

me start you with one because I've got Ridley Scott who did an Apple advert he, he timed this for the 1984 Super Bowl and it had a 1984 theme to it where lots of people were just staring at a screen and then a girl swings a hammer, breaks the screen and enlightenment hits everyone or, or, or whatever.

And they said, you know, yeah, 1984 is bringing you computers, but it isn't going to be like 1984. the Orwell book and everything um,

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let's not get, let's not, you know, stop the, the wheels from turning here, make a cool advert, sell them shit, even if it's the shit that you've been, you've been you've been, you know, warning them against in your first advert or, or your big advert. But

Reegs: It's interesting you say Ridley Scott because a lot of, you know, he did also we talked about before the Hovis, well, not on air, but we talked, he did the Hovis advert as well.

A lot of directors that we have enjoyed movies of got their starts with

Dan: adverts. Well, Scott, Scott felt that, you know, movies like this were small, or commercials like this were small films and he, he really honed his trade and things between making 'em. So, this is, this is one I've kicked us off.

Sidey. Have you got something to compete with that? Yes, probably not. You have?

Sidey: I have. Yeah,

The first ones I thought of it's actually it's a series with a narrative that runs through it. It's the gold blend couple. Yeah.

From the gold blend advert.

Reegs: Well it's got your mate in it

Sidey: dude is Anthony Stewart Head, he played Buffy's watcher in Buffy the Vampire Slayer Giles.

And the lady was very easy on the eye. Do you remember who that was? It's called Sharon Mourne. as in Vaughan but with a muh. And they had this thing where she would knock on his door, or vice versa, to, oh I'm sorry, I've just moved in, can we have sex? Slash share some Nescafe. And they were, like, extraordinarily popular, to the point

where

Reegs: there was a lot of chemistry

Sidey: was sexual tension, Yeah.

it was palpable.

To the point where my dad would get the daily newspaper, and I would look at, you know, that was where you'd find out the TV listings, because when we were young, there wasn't sky. you know. Yeah. So, you'd look, and there were fucking adverts for when the next Nescafe advert

was first going to be. aired. So you could, couldn't, You could, like,

follow the story.

of these

two

Dan: it, it'd become a bit of a phenomenon, that though,

Sidey: Easy for you to say. You will.

Dan: it terribly is.

Sidey: But

yeah,

Dan: and, yeah, everybody talked about these kind

Sidey: are they going to fuck?

Basically is what he

Dan: talk, basically. And now years later, he found himself in Ted Lesue, didn't he? As the,

Sidey: What, Anthony head.

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah. He's the asshole boyfriend husband who used to own the club,

Dan: he owns

Sidey: West Nile.

Dan: yeah,

Sidey: Oh.

Reegs: Does he? I don't know that. Spoiler alert. That's

Sidey: spoiler

Dan: that's, that's sort of, season two,

Reegs: Yeah, I'm just in the middle of that

Sidey: Well, Nescafe. Over two weeks.

Reegs: You talked about Ridley Scott. Another director who went on to do features was Jonathan Glazer and he did the Commercial Surfers. Which was The Guinness advert,

Sidey: Tick Full of Follows Talk

Reegs: That's it. tick, followed

Sidey: he do Under the Skin?

Reegs: tick. Yeah, he did. Under the skin, and he did Zone of Interest, which I want to see as well. This one's about a group of surfers waiting for the perfect wave. It's all in black and white. It's got Leftfield's Fat Planet playing in the background. And they wait for an enormous wave to crash, and as it does, it turns into galloping horses into the beach.

And yeah.

Sidey: I think we infer from that they're All pissed.

Yeah.

Dan: They're all broken. Do you have any adverts you could tell us

Cris: got one that I, I didn't really my colleague from work, she suggested this advert she said you better make sure that this is you speak about this. I'm going to question you about it tomorrow.

So I, I better say it. I, I, she claims I've watched this advert because she made me watch it, which could be true. I can't actually remember, but it's an advert for T Mobile from 2010, which I think it's called.

Welcome back and it's filmed at Heathrow Airport and no instruments were used, but it's almost like a flash mob,

Sidey: Oh god. It sounds

Cris: well, it's actually kind of funny because you get people arriving and then

Sidey: but they don't know what's going on people

Cris: singing and welcoming them, but but.

really singing and you can see the surprise and, and it's all kind of, and it turns out that there's loads of the flight attendants get involved and then pilots and then all this to, to, to be involved for, for a T Mobile advert from 2010 from October. And they apparently took over Heathrow and, and it.

Made a big splash in the UK because I think that was the day when they, the, the time when they launched T Mobile in the UK.

Dan: okay.

Cris: So

they

kind of did it like a, like a thing where, where welcome.

Sidey: flash

mobs were like a big deal around.

then.

Cris: I think so. Yeah. So they kind of did it. It's, it's, it's a, it's a show slash slash flash mob. So yeah,

Dan: documentary advert. Well, what I really like is when directors

have, you know, bit moles, they're looking at the, the company that they're They're potentially doing an advert for and maybe taking a bit of a pay cut so they can work with companies and products they really believe in.

So, John Williams, the the famous composer and Steven Spielberg. It really warmed my heart when they got into bed with BP and, and decided to do something really special to further the, the the profits of British Petroleum. And it's vintage Spielberg, really. He, he makes his pizza delivery boy go into the, the big kind of eat it, you know, so it's all like.

Yes, it just goes on to all of it. You know, he's floating, he's lost gravity. There's, there's kind of jets taking off on different floors and he's trying to find this place where the pizza will go. And each time he goes in, it's another extraordinary world that British petroleum, making possible for us through Steven Spielberg and John Williams searing composed music.

And it just makes you think, fuck the world. Let's just take all the oil. Let's let's, cause how else are we going to start those big jets and wars? And, and it just really made me feel, you know, well done Spielberg and John Williams for, for, you know, taking that money,

spending

it on shit. Well done.

Cris: Yeah. Sounds good.

Sidey: Yeah.

What about Yellow Pages? They had a series. of good ads. J. R.

Hartley.

Dan: R. Fly Fishing by J. R. Hartley.

Sidey: there's sort of a doddery old man. trying to, Like, wringing around trying to get hold of a copy of that book and

Dan: book. Ooh, ooh, you've got one!

Sidey: And then they

did

Dan: your name? J. R.

Hartley

Sidey: And then they did bring out that book

afterwards. They brought out a

sort of thing.

of it. And then there was the other one where they, the parents were away and the kids, the son had had a massive tear up party in the gaff. And he was clearing up as the parents were coming

Dan: the French

Sidey: And he needs to call, there's a massive scrape down the antique. Table in the lounge So he has to call a French polisher to come around and fix it and it's all fixed just as they, Enter the door. He looks up and there's graffiti over one of the

Dan: Like the Mona Lisa printer they've got, he's got, he's got some glasses and a moustache now.

Sidey: pretty good.

Dan: They were good adverts.

Reegs: Fake adverts in movies and TV and stuff I quite enjoy.

So you've got Joey in Friends. Do you remember with, he gets, he has the lipstick that he advertises in Japan. It's a hideous

Sidey: He also does one for like,

some

sort of venereal

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: in the subway. yeah.

Reegs: Also, and In Lost in Translation, your favorite movie, of course,

Sidey: the best of times.

Reegs: for, yeah, Santoro whiskey and the Robocop series.

We watched the first one of those recently, and that had a lot of

Sidey: Newcombe. Yeah. yeah,

Reegs: all that stuff. And then Starship Troopers gave us the memorable sort of recruitment commercials. Would you like to know more? And the rage of Buenos Aires and all that stuff. And Tropic Thunder had the fake products Booty Sweat and Bust a Nut, which was a candy bar in universe comedy commercials.

Sidey: Yeah, very good.

Cris: the year is 2000 and it's going to be from me. I've got another one from this brand which is called Nike and they generally do sportswear and athletic leisure, whatever it's called, brand.

It's a football, it's an actual football advert. So they advertise for the football and it's an advert where we see familiar faces including Figo, Toti, Turam, Dwight York, Pep Guardiola, Andy Cole Oliver Bierhoff and Edgar Davids. When they're, it's called the mission

Sidey: Andy

Cris: and

they're trying to, to get this ball from a museum.

And Edgar Davids looks like the predator with the, with the dreadlocks. And when he turns his head, the dreadlock hit the laser. And then there's these guards that are looking for trying to catch

Reegs: you.

Cris: all that. So it was one of the first ones that had an all star cast. And it's one of the ones that I remember as being a fairly young and these were like the, the footballing heroes.

And it was, I think it was before Euro 2000. So there was a new, the new Nike boots were out and the new football, like the actual ball was out. And That was one of the best ones. There's obviously the one with the Brazilian national team in the airport. We talked about them previously for the footballers in movies and adverts, but that's an one, I would

Reegs: I think I would say so.

Dan: Well, I had a friend when I was playing football called Ben, it's true, a true story and he played for Huddersfield Town and then one day he was playing at the bottom, just went for a kick around the bottom of his garden down near Home Firth in, in Huddersfield, and some guys come up to him, a guy called Simon who said, I'm looking for somebody to, to help me.

Can you do an overhead kick? He goes, Yeah, I can do one. So he did it a perfect white and he pulled him up on the Sony PlayStation advert. So my mate Ben it's It was the one where he did an overhead kick and then the bottom of the boot became like the controller of of like the Sony PlayStation and thing.

And you just see sort of Ben dribbling around a few people, knocking out wide, does an overhead kick and then it all goes like CGI and everything and he sticks it in top bin and it goes PlayStation and everything. Is it a game? Whatever the fuck. It's really cool. I was just seeing if I could find the, the advert there, but yeah.

Couldn't not mention adverts without putting that one in. And yeah, it would have been shown everywhere.

Cris: Yeah,

Dan: and from that, actually, my friend Ben then went, moved into, into films and he worked with David Jason,

Sidey: Oh okay, you've mentioned him before, Yeah. Nice.

Sometimes the ads.

then

the,

This one's not actually the product, but something becomes so synonymous with it that it takes on the name.

And this one I'm thinking, oh, it's paint. It's Dulux. And the dog is known. So I have one of these. And the dog, so I'm not talking about the ad, any of the particular adverts, because they're all, something happens and it's just, it just goes to the tin, and it's this dog. It's become so synonymous with the brand. But when anyone asks what kind of dog I have And I say, old English sheepdog, they kind of look at you and you go,

it's a Dulux dog. They go, Oh, right, yeah,

that one is

1. Yeah. There

you go.

Reegs: go. I am old enough to remember when they put monkeys on TV PG Tips, and they had a one that I really do remember where they were, I think, I probably shouldn't even be talking about this, but they were moving a piano up and down the

Sidey: I remember that one!

Reegs: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Also a really Bad advert, or badvert, as I am christening, was the trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog. Do you remember? The initial trailer released, and it veered so hard into the uncanny valley, the Sonic the Hedgehog that they put on, that they actually had to redesign it and postpone the movie.

Yeah, so there was that, there was also Dove's Real Beauty campaign for celebrating diverse beauty in, they, in 2017, they caused a huge outcry because they had a black lady using soap and she became white underneath, didn't see the unintentional racism of that. Neither did H& M who faced backlash for featuring a young black boy wearing a hoodie with the phrase

Sidey: Holy cow.

Reegs: yeah, so, I think they were probably trying to say they weren't seeing the color, but I think God

Sidey: just gonna get, you're just gonna get a whole load of trouble for

that. yeah, exactly.

Cris: I've got another one from Nike. It's a very simple one. It's a, it's a poster rather than a than a actual advert as a video. And it was on the way to the Milano airport. And I think to the, the Rome airport, a few of them dotted around Italy. It was a picture of Paolo Maldini. It's adverts and adverts from my Nike.

And it was Italy's goalkeeper, the easiest job in the world because Paolo Maldini was part of the defense, so it was a bit of a quote there, but it was an iconic image. And the last one I have is I could name quite a few, but it's one I remember, and I thought it was quite funny. It's a there's a child,

a dad or a mom goes in the car and there's a child in the back seat.

Throwing his toys out of the pram, but making, kicking and screaming and being really, really angry and annoying and then throws things at people whilst he's driving and being a really, really angry child. And at the end, the advert is Durex for things you wish you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have happened or something like that.

So I thought that was quite funny at the time. It's, it's quite an old one, but it's one that I, I quite, I've always remembered as. A funny one,

Dan: that, but they, they, they are little pieces of, of art, aren't they? You know, when they're, they're done. Well, the was it Red Rock Cider? Leslie Nielsen did, and it, it was, it was, you know, just the same star we went and played you know, police academy kind of stuff. And just deadpan jokes and you know, that.

Kind of airplane sense of

Reegs: were in Plymouth.

Do you remember the adverts for Dick Insider? The Vickers, the Vickers sister loves a Dick Insider. Dick

Dan: we all love a Dick Insider. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's they, it was big, there was some kind of viral video that was going around on, on social media where the Australians had just got everybody to You know, come and talk about having a dick insider, a dick insider.

Yeah, it seemed like a lot of people didn't realize what was going on there, but you know, it's good to have a dick insider.

Sidey: Cool. Sometimes people get in trouble for their adverts. There was Tango, do

you

Remember Tango where you get Tango,

So someone would drink,

a have a swig of the drink and then they'd get Tango.

But then they went on

So that was

Reegs: That was like an oran a giant orange guy would come out and slap you

Sidey: And people would do it, so that was the problem,

was people

Reegs: They did it at our

Sidey: it. Yeah.

and then they had other adverts one of them I remember, someone would drink a Tango and then it would say it's It said maggoty perverts eroding family values.

I think that one.

got banned.

Do you remember the Tories in the 90s, they had um a poster, it was like a curtain opening, and two scary eyes, but it was clearly Tony Blair, and it said New labor, New Danger, that got banned, and they weren't allowed to do that.

So

there's those.

Reegs: Another

Sidey: yeah. Another one I remembered was the Volkswagen, if only everything, that was a slogan, if only everything was And life was as reliable as a Volkswagen.

and there was one where the car and it was pulled over and there was a squeaking noise. Something was making a noise in the car. And they fucking went for ages, trawling through the car, testing it.

And it turned out it was the lady's earring was squeaking as it moved. And they, like, oiled that. and then they, you know, if anything, blah, That was

a good

Dan: I mean, when they've got those kind That's what they're after, isn't it? A slogan that becomes Just natural language like the Carlsberg ones Whereas, you know, it's it's probably the best lager in the world.

It's probably you know

Sidey: that's quite key because certainly I know over here in, you can't say that you're the best.

You have to say you're leading, so they can say they're probably you know it's unquantifiable. Yeah They're not saying they're the best thing, they probably could be, might be,

Dan: it's also like if Carlsberg did you know and just became a thing then, what we would say, oh, you

Sidey: you know, Well, it's kind of the

Dan: Carlsberg did days off, this would be it lads, like, you know,

Sidey: the plot of Mad Men, isn't it, really? And, you know, that's their job, is They just create these

Dan: Slogans and lines. Yeah, i've never really got into the mad men thing, but it was it.

Yeah, it was worth it Okay,

Reegs: And it segues very nicely, actually, into my next nomination, which is for Coca Cola. And the spoiler alert, the end of Mad Men, the entirety of the series has genius Don Draper basically come up with the, I'd like to buy the world a Coke.

The song which was a real classic if you remember in the 70s, you can probably hear it in your head now. And of course, they also had Holidays are Coming. That one was remade a few times,

Sidey: Yeah, I've got that on the list, yeah.

Reegs: Some of them feature the Santa Claus coming to life and drinking a bottle of coke, and then he destroys a small hamlet, like a vengeful Christmas kaiju.

And he was so

Sidey: And he they were so successful that they created this, and I think this is right, that it was an urban myth that Coca Cola changed his color to red.

Yeah. Because it's not actually true.

Reegs: actually true?

Sidey: but it is a

Reegs: it was Eddie Murphy who said

Dan: Peter Kaye shouting

Sidey: Yeah, well,

Reegs: advert. It was a training session of

Sidey: We couldn't have a training session at football without

someone

Reegs: sure this

Sidey: Losing a football up a tree somewhere

Reegs: Also, there's something else which went highly viral was WASUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPP That was, I don't even, Budweiser was

Cris: yeah. And

Reegs: And they had the frogs as well! Wiser. And the Energizer bunny was also one I was gonna mention, probably my last. Before my nomination, I've got a few more here actually, but it was the Honda cog one.

Do you remember that where they took the car apart and

Sidey: Yeah, yeah,

Reegs: a heath robinson or Americans might know rube goldberg machine where it was like little things moving and it was like two minutes long They always used to show it in the cinema. So yeah, and then i've got maybe one or two left and that's it

Cris: it.

Sidey: Daniel, anymore?

Dan: have you got No, I, I'm ready to nom.

Sidey: about film trailer? 'cause I remember the first film trailer that I really, really got excited about,

as in

you saw millions of trailers,

and, but when I saw the trailer for Episode one, PDO Menace, super fucking

excited.

Reegs: Menace, I was

Sidey: yeah. Poster is great. With the shadow of Dar Crushing low when you actually saw the film, but that summer, there was the trailer for that, and then later on there was the trailer for, I think it was Austin Powers Two And the sort of tagline for that was, if you see one movie this summer, see Star

Wars.

Reegs: You can see

Sidey: But if you see another

one see Austin Powers so that was quite cleverly done.

All right, let's, let's will it down. What are you going for Riggs?

Reegs: for Luke? Whoa!

Party form! That's What

Dan: Strong.

Sidey: form! Body form for? you!

Cris: is that

Reegs: was a ladies sanitary towel product. Is that a

Cris: Is that a tampon you mean?

Sidey: No, Like a liner,

Reegs: yeah.

Cris: Oh, like a pad?

Yeah.

Dan: made me feel, think of the, the Diet Coke advert that all the girls weren't mad for, for, and they say, oh look, you remember that one? That is like, it's diet Coke time. I'm gonna stick in the Sony PlayStation advert that turns into a boot and a football pad or something or other. It was good. Nice.

Much better than I described it there.

Cris: Yeah, since you spoke both of you spoke about Coca Cola and you spoke about diet Cola, I can put in a Pepsi advert, which is one of my favorite basketball players in recent years.

Kyrie Irving did a thing called Uncle Drew and it was a Pepsi advert where he dresses up and they do a lot of makeup on him and I don't know if you've ever seen this. There's a series. They, I also made a movie with the movie's Fairly wonk, but the, the, the advert itself, especially the first two, were really, really well made.

And he goes into New York,

Reegs: In disguise.

Cris: like an old man.

Reegs: people do this. Yeah, the professor does this as well.

Cris: but he's, Harry Irving was the first one and he did it for Pepsi Max. And you can see him getting like loads of makeup and loads of that. He's, oh, I'll get my Uncle Drew to play.

He's like a three V three. And obviously this guy's a. Professional NBA player, all star, you know,

Sidey: Who does he play for,

these days? The Celtics?

Cris: I can't, I think so. Yeah. I think he's a star, I can't remember anymore,

Sidey: murdered my lot last

Cris: but honestly, it's so funny because you can see all the cameras and it's really cleverly made and you can see actual live reactions from people.

And you know how the Americans love Oh, and reactions and that, and he is. Unbelievable, because he's also, I think they've done it really well with Kyrie Irving because he's not the tallest. So he is not like he would get, I don't know, one of the tallest basketball players in the world to and who looks like a basketball player.

He's six foot three, maybe, and just agile and, and great feet. But if, if you ever have two minutes of your life to watch a good advert, the Pepsi Max, Kyrie

Sidey: So pepsi max coca cola Oh, you meant body form. Okay. 'cause I was gonna

I was thinking well maybe i'll I'll have to put in secret lemonade drinker,

Oh, whites. Oh, whites, Yeah.

But maybe I won't then. I, I'll put in the Cadbury's drumming gorilla. Yeah.

It's just weird. but Very, very successful and popular.

Remember that one?

Dan: Yeah. Phil

Sidey: Yeah. There you

go.

Cris: Collins a gorilla?

Sidey: Yes. All along, and we never

knew.

Cris: I didn't know that.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah, they just shaved him, didn't they?

Cris: Yeah, in a really nice hairline as well.

Dan: Shaved him down to a gorilla.

Sidey: Give us your advert nominations,

Cris: Please, yeah.

Dan: This was my, Bye. Bye. nomination. I wanted to

Cris: Yeah, I was gonna say, did you High

Dan: You know, I thought it was about time that I raised the, the standards of this podcast again, and I'll put on something that's actually decent. So,

Sidey: we've had a

Reegs: was Oscar nominated as well. So,

Sidey: slew of biopics recently.

Dan: I, I get drawn to them, to be fair. I, I enjoy hearing and learning about somebody's life, particularly someone like Rustin, who has made a huge difference.

And as we, we Mentioned, I think, in the, in the midweek, this is a character who's been effectively written out of history because of his sexuality because of his politics because of a whole host of other reasons which weren't right, you know, they didn't live up to the kind of man that he was, he didn't, he didn't get what he was really, It's

Reegs: It's really an untold story, isn't it? And it's, it's Higher Ground, which is Michelle

Dan: is Michelle Obama's

Reegs: is shining a light on somebody you've probably never heard of. I

certainly had

Dan: probably never heard of, right? The war work

Sidey: Well, it tells us some stuff

Dan: for Freedom in

Sidey: where we are politically,

and, and what's been passed?

Yeah, it's and it sounds like good and then it says but yeah,

this is all still going on and it's I should know the name of the girl, but then it's the first, you know, the end of segregation?

Reegs: Yeah. Ruby. No, it's Ruby.

Sidey: it's the

Reegs: girl being marched to school

Sidey: Supreme Court has passed. That segregation

is unconstitutional. And so that's all coming to an end, but. Whilst that sounds great on paper,

It's

not.

easy. It's not easy to go from it's, you know, And as,

I, was thinking obviously about how this really happened, but even having to act out again was so awful.

Reegs: I just think about how recent this all is, really. I mean, it's getting longer away, but for, for me, it was just before, you know, it's only 30 years, you know, whatever.

Dan: Well, and the, and the residue is still felt today, you know, I mean, it's

Reegs: It certainly is. Yeah.

Dan: know,

Sidey: becoming more popular again, I think.

Dan: yeah. Lot lots of problems.

But

Reegs: So, yeah, we see some, we see some civil rights activism and the, you know, some stuff happening at the beginning. And then we quickly cut to 1960 and it's Dr. Martin Luther King. And he's talking to this guy, Bayard Rustin, a Coleman Domingo, I think really a terrific performance from him holding this movie together.

And he's. Basically telling him that he needs to come and stage a protest at a particular democratic national convention. And he, you know, Martin Luther King is not necessarily wanting to go along with this, but is inspired by Bayard Rustin's words about activism and what it should be.

Dan: Well at one point, you're right Riggs, he was, he was looking like that he wasn't really

Reegs: your man.

Dan: But then Rustin kind of just talks him around. He's got a fantastic way of just motivating people, inspiring people, helping them see their responsibility with the talents that they've got to do, you know, the right thing in forward in the, the mission to free all people and everything. And yeah, he, he manages then to, you know, talk King into doing it.

Reegs: It's the beginnings of a great friendship a mutually beneficial friendship in which they both inspire each other.

You know, in their common cause, so, yeah, Martin Luther King is on board, but they, there's a lot of political shenanigans that is going on. I really had no idea about this, but there's, there's an organization, the NAACP, which is the National American Association, No, the Advancement of Colored People, I think is, is

Dan: like that, yeah.

Reegs: and it's headed up by Chris Rock in a distracting moustache, hairdo combo,

Dan: you check out Who he was based on.

Reegs: The, yeah, Roy, I mean, these are all real guys, Roy Wilkins,

Dan: And then when you look at Roy Wilkins, a photo of Roy Wilkins,

Reegs: look like him?

Dan: he's not done bad.

Like, you know, he's created Roy as best he can.

Reegs: So they come to him with this proposal you know, to go and do this this, this demonstration at the Democrat convention, and basically it's shut down because of the insinuations of a, basically of a sexual relationship between Bayard Rustin and Martin Luther King.

Dan: Yeah, well that's what they're, they're going to propose is going to hit the news if they don't cancel it. And,

Reegs: because Rustin

is, is, is openly homosexual. Really in a time,

Cris: not so openly, but he is kind of,

Dan: He's

Sidey: known,

to be, he's known to be.

Reegs: to

Dan: to be. Exactly, he doesn't know. It's

Reegs: he

Dan: actually not a thing that he

Reegs: It's also actually not a thing that he ever discusses, particularly unless it's in a romantic sense with other people.

It's other people discuss it

Dan: people discuss it about him.

Reegs: it's

Dan: 1950s, 1960s when Bayard's active in this activism and it doesn't seem at any time he, he shies away or gives a fuck or makes that an issue. If other people aren't making it an issue, it's just like, carry on.

Reegs: But it, but it is an issue, right?

It is an issue for him

Dan: is in that time

Reegs: And Martin Luther King doesn't back him because, because Rustin says to, to kind of, you know, I'll test their resolve on this. I'll, I'll quit and you quit with me, sort of thing is the implication and will take down the Nas a CP and Martin Luther King doesn't. It's the end of their friendship.

It's destroyed him. You know, his reputation, and he ends up taking a really dull job amongst, I think, were conscientious objectors of some kind.

Dan: Yeah, that's right. He, he, it does, he's, his friendship with Martin Luther King gives him a lot more confidence that his resignation won't be accepted. So when he sat with when he goes into the room and he sort of says, oh, Martin, I thought it was just gonna be me and you, but he's in.

A room of load of people, including the N. C. A. P. P. or whatever, with Roy and Chris Rock there's a huge team of them, and they don't like the fact that he has had You know, conviction. We don't really hear about at this point, but they'll be aware of it. And these rumors of,

Reegs: well, he was a, he's a known communist a Quaker, you know, but these are really all synonyms for his homosexuality

Dan: Yeah, all the rest of it they can kind of live with, but

Reegs: of.

Sidey: That

information would be used to undermine him and undermine their cause. Yeah,

exactly.

Yeah, So they don't want, they don't want, again.

that,

So they don't want the

association.

Reegs: But they all recognize what a powerful figure he's been, how charismatic he is, how he's picked everybody up, how his grand vision, which has already started, I think, he's had this idea for the 100, 000 man march, they're going to surround the white house and all this stuff

Dan: they've had a few marches before, but as we move on

Reegs: where He

becomes enraged, right? Because of his white colleagues, basically at the conscientious objectors place that there are protests and they basically, I

Dan: I think it's in Birmingham, isn't it?

There's a big kind of race flare up there and the police have got the hose pipes out

Reegs: And they don't really support Bayard Rustin, really. And this is when he gets the idea that they have to do something more.

But it's all in the idea of, it's in Gandhi's you know,

Dan: Non violent

Reegs: violent resistance. But a sort of antagonistic non violent resistance as well. Yeah,

Dan: it's a little more kind of putting your chin right in front of him and going, go on then hit it then, hit it if you like to. But and so there's a few, you know, moments where you really hear the passion of the different players involved and, and,

Sidey: it's Social disobedience.

they call it, isn't it?

Dan: Yeah. disobedience, yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: And there's a lot of politicking and it's going to be really fucking hard to explain and I don't even think we should try for a lot of it because it's very

Dan: No, well, I mean, it's, it's all in and, yeah, it's all in and around the time. So a lot of the, the

the

situations that have happened they're well documented and, rustin really, he wants to get back into, you know, there's a, he has this deep feeling of social injustice and he knows that he can make a difference, but he's also been really hurt by the fact that the party that he basically brought up and worked hard to work with no longer want him

Reegs: They've ostracised him

Dan: They've ostracized him.

he's

still kind of on the fringes of it and those people that know him and

Reegs: he's still in the movement.

He's still in the advancement of that movement, right? He's got a white boyfriend that is also helping him and he forms a relationship with a member of the NAACP, a pastor called Elias. The sort of comes out against him in the boardroom, but.

They

make a sort of very subtle pass at him in the toilets and

they begin this big love affair really.

Dan: that's right.

And He has he does this really simple drawing where he just draws two boxes one long one and then another one kind of over the top shaped like a, a T. And, and from this he, he's had the idea and the inspiration of for the March on Washington for, for work and freedom which he hopes to get a hundred thousand people.

Bigger than any other march that's ever done and they can't understand how it's even going to start but for him it's like It's a movie. He's already seen it. It's it's all in his mind He just needs everybody now to help him put it together and his enthusiasm

Reegs: he drills a brilliant team

Dan: But but he knows he needs Martin Luther King, because without a big catch and somebody to promote it and somebody for them to come and listen to, they're not going to get the people.

So he, he kind of just swallows his pride a little bit for the, for the greater good and gets in touch with Martin Luther King again and says, look. I know, you know, we didn't leave it ideal, but this is bigger than me, it's bigger than you.

Reegs: Well, also at this point, I think like

they've gone to talk about the possibility of protesting in Washington and they've been shut down essentially from the very top, like it's coming from Kennedy himself.

Dan: Each and every person is, is giving them the, the big no.

Sidey: Well, they, we can, we see some some footage of Kennedy and he's he's saying all the right things, but then. It cuts back to them and they say,

This guy's just gonna do the same old

shit. Yeah. but they try

and legislate stuff, and it just gets

Dan: and it just gets

Sidey: gonna, nothing's gonna actually affect

us in the here and

now.

Reegs: actually

Dan: now. Well,

Reegs: also because Chris Rock's character, Roy Wilkins,

Sidey: Sergeant Wilko.

Reegs: yeah, Sergeant Wilko, he is essentially described to be a bit of a puppet by the time he gets up in his seat in Congress. He's kind of not actually advancing the movement, seems to be the, the allegation

Sidey: got Geoffrey Wright's congressman as

well, he's

Reegs: he's a

Sidey: Yeah, he's

Reegs: you've

Dan: you've got a lot of people feathering their own nest. You've got a lot of people who are just racist or, or, you know, homophobes. The

Reegs: racist or, or He's a

Dan: Who's a huge figure in the civil rights movement.

He's a massive figure. Thank you, Sadie. In the in the civil rights movement, he he arranged the first few marches on Washington back in the early 40s. And they, as you said, they call for these marches again, but they'd always been not back and they'd lost momentum. But he said, No, look, you've got to do it now.

You've got to strike. And Rustin gave a load of good reasons why this time would be the right time. And basically, it gets over the line. Within agreement for the party and they've got about, I don't know, 12 weeks to pull together the biggest ever non violent

Sidey: non violent march

Reegs: infrastructural resources or

Sidey: they've got no infrastructural resources or anything.

They've got the really

Reegs: In front of, really badly green screened in front of the Washington Monument.

Sidey: the Washington Monument. And then as he tries to very calmly just have a conversation, he said, don't, there's no need to

raise your voice.

And you're like, oh my God. But, I had never so I was just thinking that you'd go on the radio and say, Right, well we're going to have a fucking march. But no, no, it's far more involved than it's

committees

Reegs: and

Sidey: arranging transport,

Reegs: we're going to have a fucking march. No, no, it's from all the involvements committees and It's brilliant

Dan: it is brilliant because the, just the, the sheer process of organization, it starts off with just one big strip of paper on the wall with these two lines. And then they visualize and draw the map of their, their plan, including the tents that are going to be there for two days, including the speakers who's going to be there, the buses that are going to come, the money they're going

Reegs: everything, the, the latrines, the water.

Dan: So they, they've got this big team of people and they're all brainstorming up on the wall and there's loads of energy in the room and by.

is

just taking everybody's momentum and ramping it up and making them feel great and he's built this little community. He's got The space for them to to properly work out how to get this huge event off the ground.

And then, yeah, you're right. Whereas as they go through the process, there's been so many obstacles on the way it comes down to like a week before the trial, the walk, and they start to question him again because they realize. A lot of attention is going to be coming on to this show on to this event.

Do we want to be mixed in with somebody who has a homosexual

Reegs: He's been convicted twice, hasn't he? Once in 1942.

Dan: He's really calm, but the film shows, like, all the noise going on around him, and he's just kind of locked in. He realizes the potential that the movement could suffer because of his previous indiscretions or you know, whatever you want to call it.

But in fact,

Reegs: or, but the pain as well, the pain that, the potential pain of being

Dan: being

Reegs: point now

Dan: after doing so much And he does, he said, the guy asked him, the, the, the Senator who's just this puppet in, in the Senate, he says, well, you know, if there was somebody who you knew was really gonna, you know, fuck up this for his, wouldn't you just leave him out?

And he goes, Yes, 100%. Unless it was me, because I don't like to brag, but what have we done? And then they go, you know, there's going to be 300 buses coming from Alabama to from New York.

Sidey: like the senator, Jeffrey

Wright, he drops the N Bomb. Yeah,

And, then they kick off, they get shouted down, and

it gets quite,

Reegs: but, and I think really importantly, when some of the accusations do start getting talked about Martin Luther King and Randolph go on TV and publicly back

Dan: Well they, they do.

He doesn't know this is going to happen. At least in the film it doesn't, it doesn't give you that indication, but he has a word with Martin Luther King at one point. He says, look, fucking good at what I do. Yeah, I'm gay. Boom. What are you going to do? I don't give a shit because I'm gonna stand up for everybody's rights, not

Sidey: It's freedom for all.

Dan: it's freedom for all.

If it ain't free for me, it ain't, it ain't free, I'm, I'm talking the wrong shit. And I

Reegs: free.

Dan: some level

Reegs: the wrong thing. I know,

Dan: Huge fights, you know, because one at a time, Martin

Reegs: the power structures of the, of the own organization that he's trying to advance. I mean, yeah. Anyway, it's truly remarkable, man.

Anyway, after this backing, which does really, really quickly just go into the march the best bits of the movie, definitely, you know, sort of visually and orally we get some singing. I can't remember. It cuts from the real footage

Dan: That's right. You get a bit of documentary footage because you got, that's it. It's not just Martin Luther's speech. You've got entertainment all day.

They've had food. They've had, you know, music and

Sidey: It's kind of a festival really, isn't

Dan: bit of a festival vibe. They did get knocked back for the two day festival. They just said it's just going to be too much if you can do it in one day. Then we're going to get the support of all these other parties that didn't want to do two days and they needed the numbers, but it ends up, they reckon around about over 200, maybe 250, 000

Sidey: of a million. Yeah.

Dan: Turned up to hear this you know, free, free at last speech.

And I have a dream.

I have a dream. And yeah, it's it catches everybody's attention and, you know, he's, he's done this

Reegs: Really, really, the last 15 minutes of the movie is devoted to recreating aspects of that.

And watching it grow from a small thing into a big thing. And

Dan: Well, they, that's it.

Reegs: it ends with, with a bit of blurb on the screen, doesn't it? Talking about his contribution. And then it, it talks about how he fell in love in 1977. And was with someone, you

Dan: until 1987 when he, when he died. Yeah,

Reegs: given a Presidential Medal of Freedom

Sidey: by Barack. Yeah.

Dan: I really, as you, as you say, it's a little bit just.

Crazy how recent this horrific past in America's kind of recent history is, it's just

Reegs: Well, and just this incredible man's achievements to be downplayed through, you know, because I I don't know a lot about the civil rights movement But i've definitely never heard this guy's name before and obviously that's what this is about publicizing it.

Dan: And, and just the sheer organizational skill and knowledge to put on an event for 250, 000 people to, to have the vision of them coming to talk about such huge issues at the time.

And the thing is, it really did make a difference because a few months later You know, there, there was, there was real legislation that that needed to be the Civil Rights Act and, and things. So it did totally change it. And Kennedy up to that point was making all the right noises, but wasn't really following up with action.

And the, the sheer weight of numbers of that many voters, probably. But, you know, that many people in one place made that he just couldn't ignore it. You know, you just couldn't ignore it.

Reegs: I have to say it pains me after talking about it to say that although it was really interesting and illuminating and shining this light on a guy who deserves to be recognized in history and it's shameful that he wasn't criminal, that he wasn't, and it's a great performance from Coleman Domingo, this is a fairly paint by numbers biopic with it's sort of really entertaining

Dan: Really, Riggs is just having an off week, aren't you? No, this was brilliant. This was a really, really strong film. It was a great character, as you say, great character played throughout the film. But I really enjoyed the, the film. I thought

Reegs: directed with so little flair, and it felt like a history lesson, unfortunately, for too much of

Sidey: I think it, suffers from knowing that it's not maybe such a well known character or story, and so it pains to point out lots of detail, lots of facts and it does feel like you're being lectured, and it's Rustin, it's his movie, but he's really the only person in it that has afforded any sort of character development or growth, everyone else is just a bit part

I was interested in the story and that was a really important message to learn about.

But I didn't, I wasn't entertained one fucking bit

by the film. unfortunately, I have to

Dan: the film.

Cris: Yeah, I mean, I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm kind of agreed. Yeah, I did watch it. Yeah.

I kind of agree with both of you, what you said earlier. It's, it's, it's

It's really interesting. And I knew a little bit, like pretty much like all of us really, I knew a little bit about all this and I knew about things that happened, I knew about segregation, I knew about how bad it was, especially down in the south and how bad it still is to this day and all that, but as a, as a whole, As a, as a movie itself, not just the, the story that it tells, it could have been a little bit better.

I did like the fact that the guy that is the American agent in the James Bond movies is a senator in this one. So he went full circle. Felix Lightner is is a, is a senator in this one. So I did like that. I recognized a few of the actors. I thought they were.

Quite interesting but it wasn't

great as a movie as the story

Sidey: is.

That's

Reegs: It's genuinely, genuinely a strong recommend for me because this feels like such an important

story to tell,

Dan: I think this guy might do alright in the Oscars as well, because it

Cris: Why was he nominated for? Sorry, I was

Reegs: for? Sorry, I was Oh,

Cris: okay, that he could do it, I think.

Reegs: think. And

Sidey: He's really good,

Reegs: fact that he's

Cris: And the fact that he's missing a tooth for the whole movie and he keeps laughing and stuff, that's actually quite

Sidey: It's

also got Brother Mouzon from the Wire.

Reegs: Well, yeah, Cleveland Rogers. It also, unfortunately, you know, it had a really bad Lenny Kravitz track at the end

Dan: did. That really killed,

Reegs: And it had, and the message, the lyrics were actually really affecting of the song, but it was

Dan: there were they, I thought he was a bit of a, a bit of a weak track by Lenny.

Reegs: It was a terrible

Sidey: doesn't have any good ones, so that would

Dan: and, yeah, that that was probably the worst bit of the film, but that was just with the credits right at the end. I really enjoyed

Reegs: go and read

Dan: I thought this was well, I did read afterwards. It inspired me afterwards to learn a little bit more about him and the civil rights movement and the incredible organizing effort that that would have taken to get that kind of event.

And it's not just the organization. It's the vision to have

Sidey: Well, it's the will and the the willpower to to get

it

Dan: yeah,

Sidey: but you are kind of watching a load of procedural stuff.

Dan: Well, I really enjoyed it I must say I I would watch this again without it being, you know Too far along the line or whatever. I I thought it

Sidey: nowhere near as good as Armageddon,

Dan: It's it's no armageddon, but that's it's a very different.

It's a very different film to armageddon it's been a fantastic strong week of films.

Sidey: Even if you do say so yourself. No,

Dan: But, yeah, strong recommend from the team.

Cris: Yeah. Yeah. Very strong.

Reegs: This

Dan: was Creeped Out, the kids,

Cris: Is that what it's called?

Sidey: Out?

Yeah, Creeped Out.

Right, so when you, I had to search for it,

Because on, this is available on Netflix, for everyone's viewing pleasure. and I searched. And the image that it

brings up

is fucking terrifying.

Reegs: I thought you, what is this? What are we, what is this?

Sidey: I thought, because I was on my daughter's profile, because I always watch the kids stuff that it doesn't contaminate mine. and I thought, Jesus, that's quite a scary image for

kids

thing.

Reegs: is of the guy who's going to open the episode, right? The curious, he's

called,

Dan: while it is kids, it is an 18, so you should No,

Sidey: it feels like it could be.

Dan: was. Yeah. Well, they've got scary masks. There's this It opens up with a little boy playing on the beach with

Cris: what we assume is a boy. He's got a mask

Sidey: it's not shown

Dan: until you Until you You know, it flashes really quick just like underneath him And you realize he's like jason or something.

Reegs: Well, it's a sort of

Sidey: Papier mâché clay, mask,

yeah.

Dan: Even more spooky,

Sidey: so, you know,

expressionless what is he?

Does he murder kids? We don't know.

probably. He's

Reegs: about how he collects strange

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: I, I don't know whether this

Sidey: this I think he does that by

Dan: plays different stories all the way

Reegs: an

Sidey: a horror anthology.

but they, they they are connected and they do operate in the

Dan: way.

Right,

Reegs: It's kind of, there's a bit Twilight Zone y to

this. bit Outer Limits, do you remember

Dan: remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a little bit of, so well, and a little bit of punching Judy, because there's a puppet show on the beach that a little girl

Sidey: hang on. Well, we're

Dan: have I jumped ahead?

Reegs: more respect than that.

Sidey: This the, origins of how it starts is, a young girl, I think she's about 14

or so years

old and

she is looking out the window and she can see another group of girls, mean girls, if you like. And one of the girls there has. just been gifted by her parents, the latest, greatest set of trainers.

This is the in crowd,

Reegs: crowd, and, She's trying to eat hergeish food, which is not cool, and she's not into that. Dad likes

Sidey: she's trying to feed her daughter nutritious food, which is not cool, and she's not into that.

Dad likes to affectionately hug his daughter and make fart noises, and she doesn't like that. Just standard.

Reegs: Standard family

Sidey: And she's mortified

by them and they clearly, well,

It looks like they're across the tracks. If you like for that, they have nots.

Reegs: They don't have quite as much money and that's evidence because it's her birthday, right? And she desperately wanted those

Dan: they live on the same street and just across the road

Reegs: across the, they've got a net

Dan: And you just think maybe they just didn't want to spend as much money on their daughter. But anyway, maybe they did, maybe they haven't. But they bought her some cheap

Reegs: Well, it's knockoffs. It's, it's almost the ones, oh

Dan: They're, they're like, everybody,

Reegs: and your mum got you like fers or something.

Sidey: or

Dan: that, that was it.

Instead of Nike, there were Nika and it was just,

Sidey: But it's not just that, it's that they buy them,

From

the fucking seaside promenade. it looked like And force her to open them in front of the gang of the

Cool

girls, and

try them on and then parade up and

down in front of them it's fucking excruciating.

Dan: then tell the girls,

Sidey: And the dad's like, don't worry.

Dan: shop and they're on sale at the

Sidey: they're from the shoe express. And, the dad's like, don't worry, they're not as cool as this. And he's got

Socks and

sandals.

1. It's so bad. She's

Reegs: dying, Jessie is dying inside of embarrassment. She wants to be in with the cool kids and she

Dan: Oh, she just wishes she could control her parents and not embarrass

Sidey: has a,

Reegs: when she storms

Sidey: She has a big row and

storms off to the beach. Yeah, to be on her

Dan: Stormy

Reegs: And that's when she comes across a performance from Mr. Blackteeth.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Wait, it's a boy

Sidey: There's, there's a child who approaches her with he's got a jar.

lantern

jar. That's, we

Reegs: in the cre in the

Sidey: what's. And he says, Right, why don't you fuck off over there.

And Dr. Black Teeth Appears from the

Very, very

Reegs: a surgeon.

Black

Sidey: Mr. Black teeth. From his very traditional Punch and Judy style booth. And then it, it's like big. So you can You can make a wish. He said don't you wish you could control your parents. and It's very sinister. He's creepy as

Reegs: you wish you could control your parents? It's very

Dan: And Andy Warhol,

Reegs: creepy

Sidey: he does have any warhol's haircut, doesn't he

Reegs: And he's saying all this creepy shit and basically he says he, he makes a kind of Faustian pact with her. You can have power over your parents if you tap your head three times and say that's the way to do it. And he sort of goads her

Dan: the way to do it

Reegs: she goes, all right, okay, and then fucks off home.

And then when she gets home, her parents are being real weird.

Dan: fine for a little while she, she has

Reegs: She can make them do stuff.

Dan: orange

Sidey: Well, They're in bed. They're in beds, completely motionless Just lying, flat on your back, Looking at the ceiling And she says oh, you

know,

could you Just get up and make me and so they, when she says that, they get up

Reegs: And off air

Sidey: automatons just kind of march through to the

kitchen.

Reegs: Off air earlier, Dan said that he'd make his mum suck his cock.

Sidey: yeah,

that's what,

Reegs: if he had the power. That's what, yeah?

No? You're looking at

Dan: Yeah, I'm looking at you like that wasn't true and I can't believe you just said it, yeah. They go

Sidey: pockets. nothing, It's just Dad, put on those Like, I don't know why she just orders him. that's the first thing she thinks of, is, Dad, put on those trousers. So he starts to put on these trousers, and she's like, Wow, he just did something that

I asked. And

Dan: Well, he's put them over the

Sidey: and there'd been a thing earlier where The mother had tried to get to drink this green smoothie, and had said, Well, it's a lot better than eating these sugary things and points at the marshmallows.

So she says, mom, yeah. I want to see, you know, how many of these marshmallows can get in my mouth.

and So straight away Mom's like forcing these marshmallows into her mouth.

And

from these just two incidents, like a one each, she realizes that the wish from the scary puppet

has come

true.

Reegs: real.

Dan: Yeah, careful, careful what you wish for. Well

Sidey: But at first it seems great because, you know, she can get them to do whatever the fuck she wants.

So they're gonna they're gonna go to the party. Well she makes them get the shoes, and then she turns up at this

horrible, bitchy girl's house for the party.

It's like

the big social event of the year in their school.

Dan: I

Sidey: we understand

why she's such a horrible little cow, because it's the cycle of abuse. The,

Reegs: the cycle of

Dan: little cat, because it's the cycle of abuse. She rejects the

Sidey: rejects that compliment, yeah.

Dan: And then, and, and all mum has been told to do at this party is just laugh, but don't laugh too hard, just make sort of little giggly noises if anybody does anything funny. And when all the girls start laughing at her for getting ketchup all over her, getting ketchup squirted at her, mum's just in behind them, just laughing as well, almost kind of Who says Yeah.

That it was there, yeah. It was an unsaid F word. Anyway, she, she knows what's wrong. She wants to get down to that puppet place again and sort out Mr. Blackteeth and say, and make it all right again. So she heads back to the beach, bloody oh

Reegs: wouldn't you believe it? He's gone. Which we get in quite a dramatic reveal, like drone shot out from the beach to show that there was nothing there.

Dan: But she sees a poster that last performance is down at Cart Bay or something. And, and so she heads down on her bike and she finds

Sidey: The, booth is there,

Dan: finds the booth, the music, and this little boy who's,

Reegs: no, weirder than that.

It's her parents. When she turns up, it's her parents are

Sidey: punching

Dan: Are the puppets.

Reegs: are the puppets and it's, as she knows her,

Sidey: it's all the stuff they said. in the first kitchen,

Reegs: and the farting and all that

Dan: All the mannerisms from, from their parents. And the

Reegs: Mr. Black Teeth has imprisoned them within these hideous puppets. And then

he

Dan: they wanna get out.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: yeah, because

Sidey: they say, Hey, they help us,

Dan: they help us help us

Reegs: So she goes inside Mr. Black Teeths Emporium,

Dan: Yeah

and this is where the bombshell is dropped with that. They're trapped in there until she can find somebody

Sidey: victim

Reegs: And that's the

Dan: understudy, as Mr. Blackteeth likes to say, not replacements. But the little boy who gave her the, the, the nod, go over there and ask him. Yeah he said, look, I had to get you to free my parents.

As soon as you did that, one, two, three and said, that's all there is to it.

Reegs: I got my

Dan: I got my folks

Reegs: But I'm still going to hang around with creepy Mr.

Dan: Yeah, and he kind of did. And and then I think just to give her the, the rules of the game. And as soon as she steps outside.

Reegs: Literally as soon as she steps

outside,

Dan: she looks at A little boy having an argument with his parents and he goes and sits in front of the puppet show where the

Sidey: she gets a sinister kind of look on her face,

Dan: she's got that look on her face and we, we cut to

Reegs: her beating that kid to

Dan: Yeah I was bloody creeped out. This was quite a, a

Sidey: fairly sinister. I, if I watched it on my own,

I think if I, if I had watched This with my daughter,

I think she would have been,

Like

I

think she would have been Worried.

going to bed. because the guy, the curious dude is fucking creepy. He is very

fucking creepy

for a kids

Reegs: Yeah, really creepy. As creepy as anything. If you've seen a movie like The Strangers or something like that. It's, it's as creepy as that.

Dan: Dolls, they do

Reegs: I also think ventriloquist dummies are amongst the most creepy things

Dan: the

eyes on, on Mr. Blackteeth, they looked like the real eyes

Sidey: It's an any inanimate thing that comes to life.

is like fucking,

that's creepy. it

Dan: really was.

Reegs: I don't, I, I

Dan: I'd watch

Reegs: think of my kid watching this until she was about 70.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: no, this is, this is secondary school stuff, this one.

Sidey: Oh, for sure.

Dan: if you've got

Reegs: I would contemplate watching another one of these, it wasn't that bad.

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: I

would say it was very successful.

and Well done, I think. It,

Dan: it,

was, it was just on that right side of horror. Because actually when you think back to it, I know the themes were a little, you know, nervous and anxiety setting.

There wasn't any jump

Reegs: No, the themes were really good because they were kids themes. They were, you know, being a bit jealous

Sidey: embarrassing parents. embarrassing

Reegs: parents.

Yeah, I'm not in the in crowd. Yeah, no, they were really, that was part of what

Sidey: made we also, we dunno, although she did have that. look on her face. We dunno if the parents get out, we dunno if she murdered that kid or was

smashed him over the head with a glass

jar

Reegs: and we actually, you know, we admitted that the final bit is that curious guy just fucking walking around like disappearing and shit.

Dan: So,

And this was not

Reegs: fucking strange

Sidey: This was not as good as

Armageddon, but it was

Dan: it was up there. You know

Sidey: dunno what

we, dunno what Chris thought of this.

We,

Dan: this, didn't you? No,

Cris: yeah, I'll have difficulty sleeping tonight. So no uh, I don't understand why they would put it for kids. I think it's definitely an, I mean, I get your point to the, but you, I think you definitely have to be over 14 to watch

Sidey: Yeah.

I mean, it's like a gateway horror. You could,

Cris: It's kind of like, like the beginning of a, of a, yeah, it's not. It's a horror movie, but it's quite suspenseful and whatever

Sidey: you on a dark path.

Cris: it's as an adult, I thought it was fairly well made and, and, you know, I don't think they had a big budget for it, but I do get your point. But again, it has to be, it's for all the kids, not, not, yeah, I wouldn't,

Dan: but they, they, they would naturally lead into like Friday the 13th and saw if they carry on this path. So, a strong recommend rental

Sidey: guidance required.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Yes, I think so. Yeah. so, what a strong week. I mean, probably the

Cris: work done.

Dan: we've done in a while. It's not all about me, Chris. But, you know, it was nice to have all the input from everybody.

Cris: Yeah.

to space, trips to, to Carter Bay

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: to 1950s and

Sidey: to Washington, to D. C. Mr.

Dan: Bottlejob, we've had it all. It's your noms next week. I I believe Mr.

Sideshow.

Sidey: Sure is.

Right. So, possibly a choice for the main. Midweeker, We're gonna watch The Hidden.

Dan: to watch The Hidden. The

Sidey: I don't know where to find it, but I'm told it's a forgotten gem.

Dan: find it. It's

Reegs: I know

Sidey: No, no one does. And then I,

So

it was a toy in between two, Inherent Vice,

or

what we're going to go for is Ingrid Goes West.

Dan: West. Ingrid Goes West, okay, right.

Sidey: the kids thing will be Mr. Men.

Dan: Oh, I love a bit of this, okay.

Sidey: source A particular Mr. Man.

Dan: in for

Sidey: and some kind of Top five.

Dan: Shenanigans.

Sidey: So

that's

Dan: five shenanigans.

Sidey: I'll

let you know where you can catch those movies.

Dan: catch those

Sidey: Okay. All that remains is to say Sidey, signing out.

Reegs: Reed's has left the

Cris: Riggs has left the building. Permission to shake the hand

Sidey: of

Dan: Dan's gone.