The Iceman & Ladybug and Cat Noir

The Iceman

Dan: Welcome to Bad Dads Film Review. This is Full House tonight. We've got Simon.

Reegs: we've

Dan: We've got

John.

Sidey: How long can you keep this

Dan: We've got Chris. And we've got Peter. And of course myself. Hi.

Sidey: myself. Hi. Hi.

Cris: I've actually, I've

got a third name that's also Peter, sadly.

Dan: Yes. What, your middle name? Or one of the, is it?

Cris: middle name

Pete: is it,

Sidey: Peter

Pete: it like Pe

Dan: Do

Pete: that, yeah, yeah,

I

Dan: say it a little

Pete: sadder

You spell it wrong, yeah.

Dan: Chris Per Okay. That's nice. That's interesting. Has any of you guys wanted to,

Sidey: Going along with this charade

Dan: No,

we're not. Let's take it from the top. Simon.

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's Film. Review the podcast with no taste, no talent, and no hope as we review the movies we missed while raising our own.

This week, we're taking you on a trip around the world, or who knows, even further, as we rank the top 5 exotic and not so exotic destinations in cinema.

From

sunny beaches in

Thailand, and the stunning landscapes of

New Zealand, to the irradiated

wastelands of Chernobyl, or even somewhere truly awful like

Guernsey, we'll rank the best and worst

places to visit on the big screen. Our review is the 2012 story of the rise of mob killer Richard Kuklinski in The Iceman, starring Michael Shannon as the cold blooded assassin who confessed to hundreds of murders committed throughout the 80s.

And finally, our kids TV segment

this week

sees us taking a trip to Paris in Miraculous Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir, a French animated series about two teenage superheroes who fight evil with the power of love and while attempting to

hide their lust for each other. With a catchy theme song, cringy dialogue, and a lot of furry fetishism, this show is a cult favorite among kids

and pedophiles alike.

But is it

any good Just listen in to

find out. Pfft.

Cris: me.

Reegs: Joining me on this week's pod are the usual

suspects, starting with, of

course, Primordial Dan,

who remembers the days

when movies were

made by Not by soulless corporations and algorithms, although he also remembered the days when polio was rampant and

women couldn't vote.

Dan: Still love the talkies,

Reegs: yeah.

We also have handsome Romanian

ADHD guy, Chris, whose smile is so dazzling

he

could blind Helen

Keller.

Sidey: But

Reegs: thinks that every movie should be an hour or less. And we've got promiscuous Peter. The man who's more kids

than a goat farm. He's the reason we've so many listeners from social services.

And we're very grateful for that. And then there's

sidey you're launching your new show, aren't you? Available only on the Microsoft Zoom. Going down an elevator maintenance podcast. And we're, we're looking forward to

Sidey: yeah, yeah. I preferred last week's, but that was, that

was a high point.

Reegs: Oh, it was ridiculous. And then there's me reeks. Hello.

Dan: so like,

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Well just to kick it off, I, I'm gonna tell you a film I watched last night, I'd never seen it before. It's Kong, Skull

Sidey: Have it

Pete: I've

Dan: film before? So it was my first time on Skull Island. It's

kind of a Sunday evening film where you really don't want to concentrate on anything and just let it wash over you.

It was good fun. It was, yeah. You had Tom Edelston, Huddleston one of those. He was, he was pretty good in it actually. The, it was Kong that stole the show though. With his just, hugeness. Yeah, really, really,

Sidey: Well, you should carry on with the whole franchise because they're all

Dan: Well there's more, are they worth watching the rest of them then? Yeah?

Pete: that the same Kong versus Godzilla?

Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah, so you get King of Monsters next I think, and then you get Godzilla vs Kong. And then there's

another one

Reegs: a new one

Sidey: with a big chimp. Yeah.

Reegs: Oh, it's amazing. It's got them running into battle. I think Kong's got

a suit of armor now.

Cris: Oh, right. I've only seen the first, that one. I've

Sidey: there's more. Yeah, it's

Cris: know there's, there's more.

Sidey: course, in

Dan: Jackson, of course in this one that I watched as well. Yeah, it was, it was half decent. And other than that, I've not really watched much other than the homework, although we. Did get into luther still we've been watching that on bbci player and it's a good series Yeah, I really like that

Cris: I don't think I've watched much this week. I was busy with work and I've had quite a few things to do. So, I'll try to remember. I've definitely watched something other than the

Sidey: homework.

You got

propositioned on the way home

didn't

you?

After

Cris: did,

yeah.

I,

was

walking, I was doing shifts in a restaurant, we were doing the bar in the weekends and it was not even that late, half eleven in the night, and I was walking through the tunnel and there was a guy in front of me having a cigarette and a box of pizza in each hand.

And then I tried to To walk slower and then behind him and he started walking slower, and then I thought right well He's gonna. I was like, sorry mate can I walk past you? And he's like, oh you can walk behind me, haha I'm sorry, I guess I'm gonna walk behind you and then He became very explicit very quickly, and he's like, I

can't remember what he said.

He's like, I'm gonna go home and get fucked up the ass. Do you wanna come?

Dan: gonna go home and get

Sidey: fantasies about him.

Was it you? Yeah. I'm

Dan: the ass. Do you wanna come? I

Cris: didn't even, I didn't even, I was like, no mate, thank you, I'm okay, you

Reegs: Well, at least you were, you know,

Polite.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah, it's you left the door

Cris: am I gonna do?

Dan: It sounds in case he wants to ask you again that's

Cris: is. I No, it's okay.

Dan: thanks, mate. Maybe

Reegs: keep your options open, isn't

Pete: it? It's flattering, if nothing else.

Cris: I dunno, it's not the first time I got that from, from

Reegs: someone.

Cris: from a guy, which is,

Pete: I've

been propositioned by a guy I nearly got,

Sidey: Well, you got teabagged by a

guy

Pete: No,

Reegs: by a guy.

I've been, T

Pete: teabagged by Two different guys.

on

Dan: Sack attacks. S attack, I heard. Yeah. You know who

Pete: Yeah, Absolutely.

Yeah, I was like

quite enjoyed it, if anything.

like, Yeah.

Reegs: I got a proposition by a guy when I was working in India and I didn't even realize it was

happening.

That was the problem.

Dan: Until it had finished?

Reegs: It was weird. Yeah.

Pete: That's your excuse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So his dick was in my

mouth and I Didn't

even know it was happening. No.

Reegs: it, He was like talking,

and chatting and then blah, blah, blah.

And then suddenly he put his hand on my knee and I

was like, oh, right. I

didn't realize That's what this was.

I thought we were just having a chat. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: But yeah.

Cris: Actually, sorry, speaking of men touching knees, I've seen I watched that Captain's series on Netflix about the World Cup.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: yeah, I

Cris: Uh, I've never, I've never watched it before. And it's actually quite good.

There's obviously Ronaldo is really, really important with himself. And it's quite good though, because there's a bit of background and a bit of it shows that I really like the Senegal. A bit where Koulibaly is the captain, but he actually puts Tchekou Kouyate as he's the man, he brought me in, I'm born in France, I wasn't even born in Senegal, they made me captain, but this guy looked after me, we're all a family and stuff, so it's quite good, the Brazilians all dancing and stuff, so it's, it's, yeah, it's quite good if you like football and

Sidey: football.

Cris: a bit of background on the World Cup that was two years ago

Dan: Okay, nice. Yeah, I've seen that, I've seen that advertised actually, I might check that out a little bit.

Sidey: What about you Pete?

Pete: I've been I've been on for weeks, I've

Sidey: give it to one thing.

Pete: Yeah, okay, the one thing is, I the most recent, although I can't remember exactly when it was series of Hell's Kitchen which I absolutely love, even though it's, it's basically every single series is exactly the same, but seeing, like, Ramsey loses shit and screaming at Americans, like, threatening them, throwing things at them, getting their food and just smashing it against the wall.

It just makes, it gives me like a warm, fuzzy feeling inside. Cause, obviously they do all these like talking heads things all the way through it and, and before. And they're all like backing themselves and whooping and it's like, I'm the best cook on earth and I'm going to nail this. shit. And then they, like they're serving up raw food and getting completely like obliterated by him.

It's, it's amazing TV. I love it.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Did you watch anything yourself, John?

Sidey: I did. I

1. I re watched The Sparks Brothers.

Dan: Ah, right,

Sidey: Because, I don't know if you know, I really love Sparks. So, I watched that again. It's just, fucking wonderful. Have you seen it? No. Oh, please.

watch

Dan: and you've re watched, right?

Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah. And then Yeah, then I just saved myself for the homework. What about you Reeves?

Reegs: What about you, Reece?

Stephen King adaptation about a guy who finds a sort of hole that takes him back in time and he decides to try and stop the assassination of Kennedy.

Sidey: right?

Dan: Oh, right. Okay. I

Reegs: pretty good. James Franco

Dan: yeah, I was about to say I've, I've heard of it. Right. James Franco in it. Okay. Oh, nice. Right. Well, there's quite a mix. But let's move on. We've got top five to talk about.

Sidey: about. Yeah, we do. We did a top five last week, which was about. Good and bad representations of

Cris: professions.

Sidey: slash hobbies And we covered off everything that we had

nominated online But unless Pete had anything to add

Pete: to

Sidey: It

Dan: It's worth the week's wait then, isn't

Sidey: So, Whatever we said last week is now gospel And committed to

So

podcast history. Yeah. So let's do this week's

This was top five

exotic, slash not so exotic destinations

Yeah.

Pete: got a confession. I I didn't, I completely forgot that we did top five. I didn't even think about it.

Dan: It's only been doing this pod a few

Pete: I

kind of done you? a crate. I'd like done a

Sidey: great bit. I've

Pete: research whatsoever.

Sidey: Think of a movie you've seen

a

Dan: movie you've seen in a place, and that might do it. I'm gonna kick us off then with Jaipur.

Sidey: Jaipur.

Dan: That's in India. Okay. And it's also the setting for the best exotic marigold hotel.

Pete: it's also an Indian restaurant in Jersey.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. It's

Sidey: not allowed to make advertising claims like that over here.

Well, you have to say a leading,

Dan: it's a, it is a leading exotic marigold hotel, but it's got the word exotic in

Cris: Is that where the gloves come from?

The marigold gloves?

Dan: Yeah, I think that's, that's where they do them. And if anybody's not seen this film, then it's

Sidey: One to avoid.

Dan: No, it's a good one.

Cris: Is it with like Indians?

Dan: it's made with it is who's, who's the guy that's in it. He's slumdog millionaire. He, he's in a that was Ben Kingsley, unfortunately he's owns a hotel. It's kind of run down a little bit, but he, he wants to do it up and basically lots of expats.

from England and Europe and things have come to this hotel to live. They've retired. So they, they've retired to India in this place. And the characters that come in and the people they meet and everything, just getting used to the culture and the life and the new way that they'll be living. I really like this film.

It was they made another one, which obviously the critics, the critics and the money liked it as well. They, There it is. Squeeze out another one. But it was the very thought of the film as well. How, you know, Increasingly, Western people will look to go to Thailand, look to go to India, look to go to poorer or developing countries to, to eke out their pensions and things.

A little bit more was quite an interesting premise as well. But I really like this film and it is. Looks beautiful, Jaipur. I mean, I've been there years ago, but they've made it look fantastic through film.

Sidey: do

you

wear marigolds

when you're

doing

Dan: don't, I don't, I, I normally, I, I wish that they were more available. I would wear them. I do like doing the,

Reegs: more

Dan: well,

Sidey: it. just go to the shop.

Dan: one glove or something, you know, in our house it's like one glove or it doesn't fit properly or

Sidey: Danny, one glove. but

Dan: if I did The dishes ever then I would like to have

Sidey: Oh, I wouldn't, not for dishes.

Pete: Cleaning the toilet,

Sidey: No, hands that do dishes, you

Dan: Yeah,

well that's

Sidey: But Yeah, cleaning the bog. Especially after I've been there. I, I

Dan: I I tend to to leave that kind of thing, you know

Sidey: To the, to

the butler service.

Dan: For the for the butler service and for the for the fairies

Cris: the valet.

Dan: Yeah

Sidey: Go on Chris.

Cris: Well, I, I, the obvious one for me was obviously the beach a movie because we've talked about this. I'm going to Thailand for a couple of weeks and I'm, the plan is probably we will be there because we are going to be in Krabi and it's.

Dan: Maya Bay, isn't it?

Yeah.

Reegs: You're going to crabby

Sidey: North

coast.

Pete: joke.

dunno There's a place in Jersey called Crabby. don't worry

Reegs: worry

about

Cris: Crabby then. Yeah. Anyway,

Pete: I thought this was, I thought it was on the PPP

Sidey: It is, well,

it's, it's on, it's, yeah.

We

we were staying in Pee Pee and

when we went to go to Maya Beach, We got the boat tour from Pee Pee, but I'd imagine you can get

it from

Cris: Yeah, everywhere on that coast there's trips, day trips, you

Dan: you dick. There's James Bond Islands.

Sidey: Islands,

Dan: know, there's a few shooting locations that exotic films have been done. It's exactly like

Sidey: It's not exactly like it is in the movies.

Cris: no, of course.

Sidey: and there's just more people there.

Cris: and loads. Yeah, I, I get that.

Sidey: very, nice. that

Cris: was the first thing that obviously came to mind because of the whole topic and exotic and not so exotic. And the second one was

Reegs: It's both

that one, innit, Because it was great in the movie and all that stuff. And then a fuckload of tourists descended on it and killed all the coral

and shit

that was

there, wouldn't

Sidey: Yeah. Coral, you, It's

kind of underwater Anyway, who cares? Coral. Yeah. Yeah. That movie was kind of shit.

wasn't it?

Cris: No. Yeah. I didn't really,

Dan: It was, it

Reegs: shit, wasn't It

The,

Dan: book, the book was a bit of a sensation at the time, wasn't

Sidey: It's bigger than that.

Reegs: It was

Sidey: Zeitgeist. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. It was already happening, that vibe, by the time it came out, but, yeah,

Sidey: Alright,

Dan: saying.

Reegs: Is it not

Dan: No, no, I'm pointing at you, Simon.

Reegs: We did a couple

on the pod, Dan, of older movies that you might remember.

One was a Chilean surrealist filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowsky's The Holy

Dan: Aha! Well, I remember you and I went through that, didn't we?

Reegs: Truly baffling. And yet visually

amazing film that featured just some of the most stunning locations. I mean,

there was one room that was like a Dulux

colour paint chart.

But also filled with hippos, and there was a guy turning his shit into gold via do you remember? via fumes? And also a naked hermaphrodite who

was like jizzing milk from their tiger tits. So, which

is not a sentence you ever expect to say, so, yeah.

Bizarre one,

And also we did wages of fear. Remember that one? Henri George Clouseau.

Dan: was in some kind of south american border town kind of scenario,

Reegs: And this was another one that straddled the line of exotic and not so exotic, it?

was far flung and in Africa, But also

a shithole full of sort of ex Nazis and also these guys whose job it was to drive nitroglycerin to an oil field.

Dan: and I'll

admit

Reegs: and I'll admit to when you said you wanted to watch the movie,

it was a bit like, oh, God, here we go.

but that was

Dan: bit like, oh, God, here we go. But that was a, it was a

Pete: Oh, thanks, Dan. Only because I didn't do any research for this bit, but so I just did a little bit now on my phone. And because it, it's one of the locations that he goes to is a place that both you and I have been inside, which is an incredible place.

I don't know if it's exotic, would you describe it as exotic, but I'm looking at the

the city. Well, that is exotic. Yeah,

the secret life of Walter Mitty, obviously part of

Reegs: well, just Iceland,

We could just chat forever about

Pete: absolutely yeah, Have you been rigged? yeah, yeah, It incredible, anyone else been,

Cris: I've

Dan: should have saved this to the last one so it goes seamlessly into the Iceman, but

Pete: yeah, yeah, no I didn't, think ahead there, Dan. that's why you're the

Reegs: whole, I have got a whole section On I Iceland Just because so many movies

have

been made

Pete: there and, and it's like a fucking incredible place. Would you say? It's exotic. I think

Sidey: it's

otherworldly almost. It's like a lunar landscape when

you first get there. You're like, what The fuck.

Reegs: Well, it's just these fucking enormous rocks, like in

the middle of nowhere,

that have just obviously

Sidey: And no trees.

Reegs: previous volcanic Yeah.

moss

everywhere, and And like, literally, it's like Oh, here's this incredible waterfall, and then ten minutes up the road, here's this stunning geothermal jibbity doo da, and here's a

Sidey: and here's all these really fit women,

Dan: doo

Pete: jib,

Reegs: But Also, Rogue One,

Was filmed there,

Alien Prometheus,

Sidey: Prometheus, for sure. Yeah.

Reegs: Game of

Sidey: Loads of top gear things.

Pete: Yeah, yeah, good

Reegs: Yeah, but other good

stuff

as well.

Yeah, so Iceland, that's a good place.

Sidey: The James

Bond iverse, he just racks up air miles going to all

manner of exotic places.

But

the one that I thought of first when I thought of James Bond is from The Man With The Golden Gun.

Remember

that? Or The Islands.

What are

the name of

those islands, Pete?

Pete: Pete? I don't

know. James Bond Island

Sidey: No.

Pete: Yeah, we're back.

Sidey: Penang

No, Pang Na

Dan: Pang Na Bay, right, okay.

Sidey: Instantly recognisable.

Pete: Yeah, like big columns of rock, just yeah, shafts of rock just thrusting out of

the water.

Yeah. crowd.

Dan: and erect. There are

Sidey: There is, There are so many destinations in the James Bondiverse that some

bright spark has created a kind of travel company based on it and you can find them on the interwebs on on the

on the tracks of double oh seven and they will arrange bespoke holidays touring around the world.

to James Bond filming locations.

Dan: That's, that's something to look forward to if you've got endless pot of money

Sidey: Well, there's one here

Dan: Okay. Tell me.

Sidey: Amport.

Dan: Right. Okay. Yeah. A moon raker.

Sidey: Used to be

where,

Roger Moore

lived. Yeah. Now it's divvied up into flats,

Reegs: is. I've been in one of the flats. They're still enormous, yeah, and they're amazing.

Sidey: Nice.

Dan: I'm going to take you from Thailand just across the border to Cambodia where anchor what the the world

Pete: Angkor Wat?

Dan: Yeah, exactly.

Sidey: But what movie?

Dan: And i'm going to go tomb raider so this

Sidey: Modern Day

Dan: angelina jolie flick off the Amazingly popular

Reegs: Was it Lara Croft colon Tomb Raider? Or, Because there are a few.

Sidey: It is colon, yeah.

Dan: Colons.

colons were involved in the making of this film as was anchor what which is an impressive

You know, site of interest. And we went there last year. So it was particularly in my

Cris: Have you been there before? You have been there

Dan: been there about three or four

Sidey: about three or

Cris: Oh,

Dan: three times.

Sidey: Did you raid any

Dan: I didn't this time, but first time round, there was loads of

Sidey: of tombs. I watched that movie at the

Dan: How, how did it go? On the big screen? Shot it? Yeah. Okay.

Pete: I've never seen it, is it.

Sidey: Oh,

it's garbage.

Utter nonsense.

Reegs: is in

it, isn't

he? Yeah. Yeah.

Pete: Who is he, He's the

Reegs: butler,

I think. Is that right?

Sidey: the the the Brit Empire.

Yeah. The remade, well,

the reboot type thing with, the

what's her

name?

Vi Vic Yeah. Alice.

Vier. It's shit as

well. Yeah. Who would've thought can't

Dan: get it. Right. But the, the, the. The game, the video game was what kicked this off. I mean, it was when a game became a film because of that character was so popular. And Angelina Jolie was Lara Croft. She had no,

no problem.

Pete: is probably worth

viewing

alone,

Dan: Yeah, yeah. And yeah, exotic

and

erotic.

Cris: I've got maybe not so exotic, a more arid destination in the John Wick franchise.

Reegs: Yeah. I think

Cris: it's the second movie when he goes to the desert of Morocco, the northern Sahara desert. And, I have to say it's really impressive how they've managed to put that tent together in the middle of the desert with with you know with crushed

ice and fresh mints and all sorts of things and

Reegs: shows their

power and reach,

Cris: yeah Exactly the I can't remember the name of the I don't know

Reegs: the

High Table, I

Cris: high table.

They're the ones yeah, and He ends up being there, and he still manages to escape somehow

Reegs: Even though he gets shot quite a few times, I

Cris: Yeah, yeah, that suit is Kevlar

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: handy suit.

Cris: So that, that's one that I thought is

Reegs: That is a good one.

Cris: quite

Dan: there, Kevlar.

Cris: It could be exotic in Morocco because speaking of Morocco, I have another one, which is Casablanca,

Sidey: White House.

Cris: is a true classic and that is a more exotic destination and I have been to Casablanca and I do want to go again because.

I, not necessarily for the city because it was nice, as nice as it was, it wasn't the greatest city in the world, but I do want to go to one of the football matches because

The Ouidad de Casablanca or the Raza de Casablanca, the atmosphere is unbelievable. I've seen a few videos online and stuff, and that would be my go to, but I can't convince my girlfriend to go for a football holiday.

Reegs: No.

Cris: Peter?

Pete: thanks.

Okay, well let's stay in North Africa then because a,

destination for a couple of, like, major franchises is Tunisia.

Dan: yeah,

Sidey: A new home.

That's Tataouine. Tataouine. Yeah.

Pete: so a lot of the Star Wars world was, was filmed there. In like, unbearable conditions, I believe, for, for, for everybody. But also Raiders of the Last Ark. All the, the Egyptian scenes were not in Egypt at all. They were filmed in Tunisia. So, yeah, that's, another.

Dan: filmmaking, really, isn't it?

It's not that far away.

Pete: It's always what makes I guess

it's, if it does the same thing and it's cheaper, easier, less red tape or whatever to go to that place.

Dan: pyramids, I suppose if you don't need them.

Pete: Yeah, you don't want to be pissing about in

Yeah, and have a big pyramid in the background if you don't need

one

Cris: was less conflict as well in Tunisia for a long time. probably that helped.

Dan: cheap fighting scenes if you need any, yeah what about you simon?

Reegs: Well,

thank

you, Daniel. I know we're

always banging on about Superman for the quest for

Peace.

Dan: Us might as well call the pod that

Reegs: That's the one where

he leads a crusade against nuclear

Sidey: A Radiation

Reegs: Yeah, nuclear man comes up but of all the things wrong with it trying to pass off milton keynes as new york Probably

ranks somewhere in the middle

Sidey: I've been to both,

and

they are almost indistinguishable.

from one

another. Yeah,

Reegs: yeah.

Pete: I've been to both as well.

Reegs: It's got a scene where

he fights

Nuclear Man at the Great Wall of China. And

at the end of it, you know, they get thrown through it, and the wall gets smashed up and stuff, and it's one of those great bits where they just reveal a baffling new Superman power, which is his ability to repair the wall by staring at it.

That's what he does, he stares at it and all the bricks fill it, so that's good.

The room.

We watched that the tommy Wiseau,

Sidey: watched

the Disaster

Reegs: We watched the

Desarteraster, Yeah about tommy Wiseau's incredible cult film the room notable, I think that they used a green screen to simulate the top of a building when they could have actually just used the top of

a building

Dan: that is so

Sidey: That is so funny.

Reegs: Oh, hi mark Is that

Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves

Kevin Reynolds 1990 smash hit with that fucking song from Brian Adams made England look amazing. And also has a pretty amazing bit where they land at the White Cliffs of Dover and then in the next shot they're at

Hadrian's Wall. Which I think it's not supposed to be Hadrian's Wall, it's just a generic bit of wall, but

if you do know

England and then for American

Sidey: got the tree that got cut down?

Reegs: does, actually. That's awful, innit?

Sidey: Yeah, it's really bad. Bad form.

Reegs: What was that thing called?

The Yeah, the tree. Yeah. And,

Oh, the

real world

in the

Matrix. A sort of scorched earth kind of

Sidey: Less appealing. Not

Reegs: Yeah. It's not so exotic. Yeah.

Yeah. That's just a few. I had,

Sidey: Oh, Sugar. Hang on.

What's happening? Yeah, all things Goro.

Well,

I was going to say, I do have that on the list because we all unanimously all

enjoyed that.

but I was going to say that the all of the Lord of the Rings film really play as a kind of New Zealand tourist board advert.

And

people travel from far and wide to go and visit

Cris: and visit. I know a few people that went to see that actually.

Sidey: Excellent,

Dan: once

Sidey: excellent films.

Reegs: Hobbiton.

Pete: Hobbiton, yeah it's still a place that you can go and visit.

Sidey: There's a film coming out this year, another Lord of the Rings film.

Pete: film. Another Lord of the Rings film, is there?

Sidey: it's set 280 years before

the fellowship.

Pete: Dildo

Reegs: Dildo

Baggins.

Sidey: War of the Ro Meheran.

Syl Well it's not the Sylmarillion but it's called the War of the Something something

Dan: So much history in that story isn't there that they refer back to that you think yeah well if it goes well they can start off with other characters before the dragons or whatever else was in that film.

Pete: Yeah. And new, I mean, New Zealand itself as a country is absolutely ridiculously stunning Like a lot of it. in

Sidey: Well, It looks like

that from the film.

Pete: Yeah, well, I mean, the,

Sidey: I've never been there

myself. Yeah,

Pete: there, there's, there's a place, I, I was lucky enough the first time IFI went to New Zealand to land at night and then get a bus that got to somewhere really late, just stayed in a really kind of like cheap, modest guest house or whatever, and then first thing in the morning, open the curtains, and you're just right on a lake with With mountains either side of of the lake one of them is called, they're called the Remarkables for, for obvious reasons and they featured in in the film The Lord of the

Sidey: right

Pete: And, yeah, just absolutely, and you're you're just paying not a lot, for like these Stunning views, if You I mean, the only other places you get.

Views like that in Europe would be so like Austria or Switzerland where you'd be paying ridiculous amounts. of money.

Sidey: Austria?

Pete: Yeah.

Dan: Only place in

Pete: Throw another shrimp on the barber. Yeah, stunning place.

Sidey: Nice,

Dan?

Dan: Well, I've got choices. I'm going to go for seven years in Tibet.

Pete: Where's that

Dan: It,

it, actually wasn't set. too much in Tibet, although there was some sneaky

Sidey: Is this Brad Pitt?

Reegs: what period of

what duration of time?

does it

Dan: Yeah, it's,

Sidey: turned 60

Dan: yeah, yeah, there was, there was talk of how, how sexy he still is at that age. But this was actually filmed in Argentina and Canada Austria and Nepal. The Chinese Ladakh, which is north.

But the Chinese government didn't like that and the fact that they were making this film and that's why on the border.

So locations got changed.

Sidey: Location, location,

Dan: locate location. But this was obviously the film of Heinrich carriers. And another guy who made. An escape from India over into Tibet during the outbreak of the war, they ended up sort of holding up there and learning various Tibetan cultural bits and pieces while they were there, as well as finding a little bit of love if you're in, in the film business in, in Hollywood, but the, Much like New Zealand, just the landscape.

You point a camera over there, you can't fail but to hit something absolutely epic. And they did have like 20 minutes shooting of of footage from Tibet, which was stunning.

Cris: Yeah, that is actually goes really, really well with my next film, which is called Borat

and it is filmed in Romania, which is where I'm from.

And it is a really nice country, but that village where he films the whole thing, where he gets all these. Gypsies, where he kind of leaves, I actually know where it is, and I've, I've been through it, and it's really shit.

like that?

Pete: With like, people just pulling wagons with people

in and like, horses everywhere and

yeah.

Cris: You still get that, don't get me wrong. Not, not everywhere. And obviously there's electricity and there's, you know, all this stuff,

Sidey: the morons,

Cris: but there's also

Dan: sit down

Cris: some of the villages where the toilet is at the back of the, the, the courtyard. And there's basically a shack with a hole in the ground and that's it.

And they have electricity in the house, but

Reegs: they don't have sewage.

Cris: no sewage. And also the water, just heat up water with fire. That the infrastructure is not great. And also in some of the villages. There were, now that there's no, not too many youngsters, is the youngsters moved, or the young ones moved to the cities and that, the old people live the way they lived 30, 40, 50 years ago.

They didn't care and after the communists, there was no, Oh, let's solve the problem of

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: villages. No Leave them to it. So that is another really exotic location that if anyone's interested I wouldn't necessarily recommend anyone to visit there that that region, but there's other places where you can go in Romania

Reegs: nice in Romania? Where should

you go that's

Cris: Bucharest is nice Brasov is nice, which is a is A 25 minutes drive to to Dracula's castle.

The Transylvania as a region is really really nice and from Brasov there's a piece of road within the Carpathian mountains that has been shown on Top Gear it's called Transalpina, and there's, there's this kind of windy,

Sidey: a great driving road,

Cris: yeah, snaky road, which is closed in the winter because there's so much snow.

And it's the road is not a straight line through, there's a valley and there's mountains everywhere and the road is not straight. It just kind of twists and turns and it's really, really popular for cyclists and it's really, really popular for cars. You can't really drive fast. Obviously the Top Gear guys, they had it closed and they had a whole show made out of it and stuff.

And the seaside, I would quite recommend it because although it's a black sea, so it's not the clearest sea in the world, which the name tells you anyway. But it's good fun, really nice restaurants and really, really good nightlife.

No, there's other, they'll suck something else, not the blood. The vampires there at the seaside.

Sidey: just

Pete: Yeah,

Well, I'll just finish up my list, which I don't have with a couple of places. So The jungles of Mexico is where Predator was filmed, which is like you know this

Reegs: what was the.

fictional Val Verde?

Pete: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is a recurring theme. we've already covered that off before so yeah Yeah, very thick lush jungle good place for predators to hide in and take out platoons and stuff another location

That

I would consider to be exotic, and I'm only mentioning just to troll you again, Reegs, is Jordan and Syria, which is where Lawrence of Arabia was filmed.

And you still haven't seen that film. which still, like, you know

Sidey: I'm gonna, I'm gonna nominate it for the mid weeker, and the main

feature

Pete: We, we,

did

not, we,

did nominate it for the midweek and we still refuse to watch it on no grounds whatsoever, which is ridiculous. And the last one I'm going to mention isn't at a destination, but is Joe Exotic.

Reegs: Oh yeah, Tiger

Pete: guy

from the Tiger King, because I'm still kind of fascinated by They've had two series now. In the second series like Joe Exotic is just in prison the entire time. Because obviously this is all real. And they are real people with real fucked up weird unsolved murders and all kinds of I mean it's way less about the Tigers now than it is about the fucking backward weirdos that are, that are featuring in this.

Who are just Yeah, so like, absolutely attention seeking.

Sidey: Was it Carole Baskin?

Yeah, Carole Baskin?

I think you can get, I think you can get a cameo of her.

Dan: I miss this, all this

Pete: It's, it's worth a what?

Reegs: thing.

Pete: It's, it's like a It's like, it's, it's the sort of thing that if aliens came down and, and landed, and the first thing they saw was like, the target came,

they, they would literally just fuck off and go back and go, like, there's there's no, there's no dealing with these

Reegs: If you wanted to explain

to somebody else what an American was like just show them this and Yeah,

Pete: Yeah. It's kind of hideous but brilliant in its hideousness

Reegs: yeah you mentioned austria before Hallstatt, is a village with a population of fewer than 800 people but gets more than 10 000 tourists a day

It

Pete: it the inspiration for frozen Arendelle. Arendelle,

Reegs: in frozen

Sidey: You ever been to austria

It's rad.

Pete: I've been, to the Kitzbüheler There's a

Sidey: Is that

where they ski?

Pete: Yeah.

Dan: I've been to Vienna,

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: nice. Mm. We've all been to Austria then. Yeah.

Reegs: Innsbruck I've been to.

Sidey: Yeah.

I really liked

it.

Reegs: Yeah,

It was nice. I Had a fondue there.

Sidey: Had

Reegs: Aquaman, did you watch,

Sidey: you watch that? That

was an accidental partridge.

Pete: Great

Sidey: fondue.

Reegs: fondue.

Aquaman, did you ever see that one, the James Wan one?

It was many things, but also it was really nice to look at a lot of the time. So there's that. Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Pretty, sort of, exotic inside and not so exotic

Pete: I imagine Lumpaland is quite exotic as

Reegs: Yeah. I haven't seen the

new one, but he goes and gets an Oompa Loompa. Doesn't

Sidey: he? Hugh Grant, yeah.

Reegs: got a huge grant And,

Pete: Hugrant is the umpa lumpa. Is it? Really? I kind of want to watch that.

Reegs: I've heard it's good. And yeah, so when the kids come into the, I think you remember the reveal of the sort of vast chocolatey fields and river and shit. And the kids haven't seen it before, so their reaction on camera is a

Sidey: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Reegs: And then I've got one more really, oh I had the fight in Ant

Man.

In the briefcase, not really very exotic destination. And then I've got one more which is going to be my pick.

Sidey: Right,

okay.

I'll rattle off a few. Gloucester Cathedral. That's in Gloucester.

and That's a stand in

for Hogwarts. It's used in All of those films. we mentioned before that we all universally loved Mamma Mia. That makes the Greek Islands look pretty cool.

Reegs: Cast away.

Sidey: same to you. Castaway, That's also set in an island. I think it's a Fijian island

Mamanuka. I think, I don't know why you're so desperate to get home. It seems quite

nice to me.

Apart from all the corpses. and

Reegs: all the corpses. Some sort

Sidey: It's all foreign to me. Point Break. has some

Honolulu

Dan: Pipeline and Hawaii kind of, yeah, locations.

Sidey: exotic.

And then Wakanda.

is

Not

real.

And then Tokyo from Lost in Translation. of

Dan: Yeah, I, I had that one down as well, along with Paris for Midnight

in Paris.

Reegs: Not so

Sidey: Did you have to look it

Reegs: look it up?

I

know! Yeah.

He did,

He did, he did, he checked his notes! Well, was

Sidey: was

Dan: Well, is

Pete: have been acting. I think,

Reegs: in

Pete: I think, in fairness

to Dan, I think it was some powerful

Reegs: acting.

Dan: very much.

It translates well over on a

Sidey: acting. very much. also,

Pete: was shot in,

Dan: Coober Pedy, which is in Australia and that's where they did Mad Max and I found myself positioned there for a couple of days hitchhiking,

Pete: That's right in the middle of,

Dan: in the bloody middle. Yeah.

Pete: After days of dust

Reegs: they had to do quite a lot of work

to imagine Australia is an irradiated

Pete: No,

Dan: No, not there. That is, that is very much that kind of country. There was one in Jersey as well with the Nicole Kidman one, was it? The others? Yeah. Don't get much more exotic than the Isle of Jersey,

Sidey: Mmm, offshore tax

haven.

Cris: I've got a couple Sahara, the movie, obviously we all know where that is. We've got a fictional, we've got a fictional country in which it's unnamed central African country in beasts of no nation.

Reegs: unnamed Central African

country

Cris: yes, it's not, it's not Central African Republic. So it's a country in, in the center of Africa, but it doesn't say which one it is in beasts of no nation an Idris Elba movie. I've got French Guyana in Papillon,

Which that is quite exotic and I've got two of Scotland's finest cities Edinburgh and Glasgow.

Edinburgh in Trainspotting, which represents the city really, really nicely and it paints it in a really colourful picture. And Glasgow, which is the same in a movie called Wee Man. Which is about some gangster guy from Glasgow and how he and some other guys get killed and get shot and import heroin and stuff, so it's quite cool.

And I think the last one I've got is The Thing. Which the, it's all,

Dan: out there in Alaska,

Cris: Antarctica, in Antarctica and they discover an alien and he

Reegs: the prequel to the

Christmas Chronicles.

Cris: Start,

Is it?

Reegs: Yeah, sure.

Dan: Probably. Yeah,

Cris: that, and that's all I

Sidey: I have on my list.

Dan: I'm gonna

go for Angkor Wat, Cambodia.

Cris: French

Guiana

Pete: I'll go with Tunisia then.

Reegs: Well,

we've got a listener from Sweden. So I'm gonna pick Midsommar,

Sidey: Oh, nice.

Reegs: Probably not gonna go unless I fancy being sewn into a bear costume and set on

Dan: fire. Or thrown

Sidey: when you're at a,

certain age. yeah, And you

feel like

the time's up. Yeah.

I'm going to go for

Boring, I'll

go for Tokyo.

Dan: Lost in translation.

Sidey: Yeah, I'll do

1. Yeah,

Dan: Okay, but listeners send in your ones as well.

Sidey: do have some, Dan. Great segue. Let's go over, let's go over to that.

I know, I put this

out really early because we had good prompt nominations last week.

And so Beaver, he says not exotic, Shutter Island.

Reegs: yeah.

Pete: Oh Yeah.

Dan: not exotic.

Sidey: An exotic murder mystery too. Jennifer Aniston, and Adam Sandler, all time classic.

I'm told. Ahuwa.

Oowahoo?

Cris: Oahu? Hawaii.

Sidey: Hawaii. Breachy all Happy Madison films are really an excuse for Adam Sandler to take his friends on

holiday.

For the exotic choice you could have Africa,

As the

non specific holiday to Africa they go on in Blended.

Reegs: Blended with Drew Barmore. Yeah,

Sidey: he's done quite a few with Drew

Barrymore, hasn't He yeah

Dan Leithy. the Bond films are

full of exotic locales and he talks about the Scaramanga one and the Man with The Golden

Gun Not exotic, nearly

everything set in the Australian outbacks what you were saying Dan.

Yeah. bad shit, is inevitably going

to go down,

so Wolf Creek, Yeah.

Reegs: yeah,

Sidey: I saw that at the cinema, it was awful. The recent Royal Hotel,

and to a lesser extent, Rabbit Proof Fence.

Reegs: I haven't seen that

Cris: No, I've seen the Royal Hotel.

Sidey: Does

that sound

Reegs: Yeah, it's just up there.

Pete: Yeah, walking

Cris: I've been past

Sidey: so there we go. Maybe we'll get a few more for

Pete: Oh, can I change mine to Joe? Exotic? It doesn't matter. There's No,

Dan: No, I don't

Reegs: I don't think so.

Pete: Joe. Exotic slash Tunisia.

Dan: Can we?

Reegs: Well, let's have a vote on it. Should Pete, be

Dan: I say no.

Sidey: No,

Reegs: sorry,

Cris: Pete.

So Tuni eight is

Pete: like a no.

Dan: a fair, it's a, it's a fair result. Welcome back. We're going to smoothly move straight into the sweet and cheese situation.

Reegs: What was this thing

here? Because

this is craziness.

that

Dan: caramel cashew or the juicy. Who bought

Pete: bought

Cris: that?

Pete: Explain it to us,

Dan: us, Chris.

Cris: find such? It's

Dan: It's

Reegs: an amazing

Dan: find. Can

you

Pete: to to the listeners what it is that we

have

Cris: to the listeners what it is that we have done. Things, and I bought the, the weathers

Dan: The Wethers

Cris: original wethers originals, right?

Two sour, sour suites.

Pete: this is the first time in my life

Sidey: I was compelled to open them as soon as I saw the packet because

the packet shows

a blue square,

and then a pen.

And so, but I, You open it, and there's actually a pen. It's a, It's a thing.

So you

Cris: with juice?

Sidey: Yeah,

it's a sour liquid gel. And

you have, You have to take, you have to take

the, the suite out of the wrapper, And it's a kind of toxic blue color that's obviously.

doesn't

occur in nature.

Dan: It's like, it is like a wham bar. Yeah, a bright blue, wham

Sidey: And then on top of that you use the pen to draw a dick or whatever.

Dan: I did my initials. You drew a dick, didn't you? And balls. What did you draw?

Sidey: I just did a huge blob.

'cause I tried to squeeze as

Dan: You were then early kind of user

Sidey: early adopter.

Dan: Pete, what

Pete: It was done for me, I think. By side or by quest, Can't remember which, but it was a blob.

Dan: It was a blob. I,

Pete: was actually quite jealous of Riggs balls. They were very ample. balls.

That he drew

Dan: good.

Chris, did you use an

Cris: a blob, it was,

Dan: a blob. Okay. So, so res is really leading the way

Reegs: The artist of us all, Really?

Sidey: it's a strange combination. But it was, I mean

you know,

Dan: I, I,

Reegs: be

Sidey: e numbers

Reegs: I've been thinking about nothing else except having another one.

Dan: think we'll go again. Yeah.

Pete: cook.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: then we just had some other sour sweets, but we did have also a selection of whether cream egg or variant

Dan: That's right, we did talk a little bit about beers and wine that Peter brought along

Pete: and we drunk a lot

Dan: and a lot of that has disappeared now.

Sidey: segues very nicely into this week's movie Which, weirdly, is chronologically in the wrong order to the mid weeker

Pete: irking you though, isn't it?

Reegs: it's bothering you, isn't it?

Dan: We've never done this before.

Sidey: we did last time that Chris

Dan: Apart from so,

Sidey: so this is The Iceman.

Reegs: Yeah, it's an X Men prequel.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Iceman, not Iceman, as some people wrote on the Whatsapp

Sidey: some people got very confused. find it.

very

Dan: The

Reegs: I feel it was very clear. I feel Chris's

instructions were

Dan: were really, really good.

Pete: On my Naughty Box there were five films called The Iceman.

Dan: I don't

Pete: he didn't put a year.

Cris: it's on, it's, I I said it's on

Sidey: Michael Shannon. I

Pete: but I don't wanna go on there.

Dan: If anybody believes Pete, just let us know. your silence?

Pete: I do.

Reegs: It's just about to leave, which is helpful

Sidey: It's

also got Michael Shannon, in which I think was also part of the instructions.

So

that's

1. It's

a biopic.

About

Mr. Because you'd spoken about it as

something in one of the pods before. I

was Katalinski Yeah

Cris: Kuklinski, yeah.

Reegs: and we're informed straight up ahead. I think that this is based on a true

story.

Cris: And

Sidey: it's one of those ones where we see him. being interviewed and asked about his crimes. at the

Reegs: Well, they ask him right up front, he's bearded in shadow. He's obviously in a correctional facility because you can hear that around him. And the interviewer asks him, do you have any regrets? And we're not going to get an answer to that question

until about three quarters of the way

through the

Dan: That's right. And we open up then in a diner kind of cafe thing where Michael Shannon is sat across the way from Winona Ryder, who he's taken out on a date. And he's, he's, he's a real charmer.

Sidey: Kind of

stoic. Not a great

Dan: he basically, she says, Oh, well, this is a bit funny. You've taken me out and you haven't said a word.

You're

Sidey: she looks

Unreal.

Dan: she's unreal. He, he looks like

he's

Reegs: got a kind of gravelly voiced gentleman quality to him, but it's mostly through him being a bit untalkative and stuff. And when he does Say something to her. I mean, first she asked him about his job and he says that he dubs cartoons, his favorite is Cinderella.

And she accepts that and

then, you

know, sort

Dan: she, she kind of says, really? And he goes, yeah. And then she kind of accepts it. She does question it briefly, but then she accepts it. We'll find out that Cinderella and cartoons is actually porn.

Reegs: it.

Sidey: Well, he's

dubbing, but

not,

half, it's only half a lie. Doesn't she say that he's insisted on them going out?

Cris: later on, yes,

Reegs: on, she'll tell the story,

Of how he

Sidey: For him to then just not talk to her. Yeah. It's obviously like Socially awkward,

Reegs: also, I was

Cris: America in the 60s, I don't know how dating worked

Dan: been very conservative and,

Sidey: No fingering.

Dan: Very little. They

Reegs: are high for anyone

Dan: Oh, she loves, she loves

Sidey: So I think there's, there's, you know, hopes are high for a second date, and then it cuts to him playing Paul, because I think he was a Paul hustler in real life. Yeah, as well,

Dan: she'll ask just about a tattoo that he's got between his index finger and his

Reegs: it's a grim reaper,

isn't it?

Dan: the Grim Reaper and he just says, Oh, it's just kind of like a devil that I thought I was a hard man when I was younger. And anyway,

Sidey: he goes to the pool

Dan: ain't, he ain't so

Sidey: and one of the lads, One of the guys in there says, Oh, you went out for a date with so and so, well good

luck. She won't fucking do anything until you married and blah, blah, blah.

And he's kind of like.

Reegs: Well,

he's giving him the

Dan: fucking do anything until

Reegs: really clear what's going to happen

Sidey: happen until

Dan: he's kind of like Well he's giving him the stare, and it's not really clear

Reegs: Well, His friend even says

Dan: happen until

Reegs: way about his

Dan: even says to him, to walk away about his future He kind of forced her to go out with her or was certainly insistent and very

Sidey: yeah. And this other fella makes some disparaging remarks about her, just to imply that she's

Dan: does it more than once though and he's been told and then he comes back and he loses the game of

Sidey: It's quite extreme though.

Dan: doesn't the money doesn't come to the table too quick and he stares him down he goes leave the fucking money on the table and he goes alright and he there's another line as he leaves and you just think no if if this is going the way that I think it's going then this guy's going to get the shit beaten out of him.

But it's

Reegs: it's worse than that. he

Sidey: follows him to his car. to

Reegs: his car and He turns on the engine and Kuklinski reaches in and just slashes his throat straight away with a straight razor, takes the keys out of the car to turn the ignition off and walks away. And Michael Shannon is, he's like a stone fa He's fucking

Dan: he's a big unit. Yeah. He's a big guy.

Reegs: quite

Sidey: He wears quite a lot, a lot of Cuban heels in this or not like big

Dan: make him bigger.

Cris: him bigger.

Well, because the, the original guy is 6 foot 4, like, the, the actual guy is, is a

Sidey: His wardrobe

was strong.

Cris: Yes, very, yeah.

Reegs: Yes. Very strong. He's quite brazen as well because he's just

Dan: because he's just done this in the back alley, which is, you know, people are coming in and out and as he's walking away, no, it's not CCTV world, but he, as he walks out, a couple kind of pass him and he's just head down and

he's

Pete: he's efficient. There's No, nerves. There's nothing. He doesn't hesitate.

Dan: like an Iceman

Sidey: exactly right.

Reegs: So. That's

Cris: where

Pete: where I was going with that. Like, he just walks in slash bang he's gone and no one's any the wiser.

Reegs: So it turns out that Kuklinski's day job is actually working in a porn laboratory. And that is one of the business interests interests of a mob boss played, Roy DeMeo, played by Ray Liotta in a role that you've seen him do a lot of times.

And he goes to visit him along with his heavies one of whom is David Schwimmer looking like

Ross from Friends

in one of the flashback sequences with

Sidey: a really

cool

Reegs: Moustache. And the other is John

Ventimiglia,

From as Mickey Schicolli, a

sort of

enforcer for him.

He is brilliant because it's Artie Bucco from the

Pete: Sopranos. yeah, Yeah.

yeah.

Reegs: In a great role.

Sidey: once you play a gangster, you're a typecast for evermore as this being,

doing that.

Reegs: I think

the thing that's funny about the Artie Bucco character, at least in The Sopranos, is that he was a wannabe tough guy. He was actually a chef and he was a wannabe tough guy and when he tried to be tough he got beaten up.

And that is sort of in this movie a

little bit with the character of Schiccoli.

Sidey: Skikoli.

Pete: Yeah. The only one who's not typecast is David Schwimmer. Which, I was, that really, like, made my day. To see. I've never seen him in anything other than Friends.

Sidey: Yeah

People vs. OJ is really good

Pete: Not

Sidey: well. It's really good.

Pete: but I particularly like his, like, Tash, like, ponytail.

Sidey: a kind of bit of an idiot

Pete: Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, But he plays it well.

Reegs: So anyway, DeMayo

is down there personally to expedite the processing of these seven boxes that were due to be delivered. And, you know, it escalates, he's tough with Shannon, he smacks him about a bit, has his guys rough him up, but he's impressed with his kind of I see cold

demeanour as if he's

Sidey: he's some

kind of Well, I think he says, well, you can beat me up all you want, but it doesn't I'm not going to make the process any quicker, I have to process this stuff. Yeah. You won't get your seven boxes any quicker. no matter

Dan: he also says, look, if you want it done, I'll get it done by the end of the night. He realises, he's clever enough to say.

Nothing I can say is gonna save myself by appealing to this guy's better nature He needs this job done. If I tell him it's I can do it by the end of the night, then

Sidey: But I don't think he's either, like, he's not terrified of the

Dan: No,

Pete: he is not

Dan: No, it's all factual kind of

Sidey: just very matter of fact. Like

do it,

Dan: He

stares him. He stares him down stares him back. He's not taking any shit, but he's Yeah, it begins this relationship then between him and the mob boss And he gets Closer and closer with him and asked to do more and more.

Well,

Reegs: Well, he tests

him

Sidey: Kill a homeless guy.

Reegs: He sends him out. A homeless guy knocks on the window for some money and then he's sent out. To

Dan: follow him and kill him.

Reegs: Finish him off.

Yeah.

Cris: To put him out of his misery.

Dan: Yeah. And that is, he does, yeah. His, his eyes cold again. It's like, this guy's done nothing wrong other than be poor and knock on the window.

He is just yeah. You know, a bum on the street or whatever. And he very cool. He sits down, doesn't he? And they're all going, what's he doing? What's he doing? And he's just waiting for his time. He's waiting. Bored daylight right in on the middle of the street and he plugs him with a couple of Bullets jumps in the car and then he has to give the gun that he shot this guy with to Ray Liotta which is security he now has him over of a barrel and he goes right you're working for me now and He's

Pete: Well, there's two tests in that scene.

because there's the kill the person. I want to see what, I want to see you in action. But then there's what? There's a part just before just, I think it's just before it, where they're just having a chat in the car. Mainly mainly about the homeless guy. But Ray Liotta just turns around and points a gun straight in his face.

It's Like what's the deal with you? Just to see what his reaction is. And again, he just like looks back at him, just like totally accepting of the situation, is like. You know,

Dan: this could be my moment. Yeah.

Pete: Yeah. but like Again, like no emotion or, or flickers of fear or anything like that. And so the other is his character like, says,

Dan: he's like

he's like an

Pete: guy.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well said.

Reegs: I think he.

even says, you know,

he

asks him about

himself. He says, are you married? And he says, yes. And then he says, well,

why don't you give

a fuck?

And that is like

the, that's kind of the contradiction at

the center of

Pete: Yeah.

Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah, So he does.

Reegs: He

Sidey: everything sort of moves, Everything

sort of moves

along. So he's, he has got

married to Winona

Ryder

and

starts a family.

And he also.

moves along in this

Reegs: He's shown

Sidey: racking up the kills.

Reegs: loving husband and a doting father as well. Taking care of the kids when they're

Sidey: he's doing

financially, he's doing quite well out of it. And his cover story is he's a currency trader.

And we see

Reegs: she embraces

to the nth

degree. They par She parrots it out at a

Dinner

party that they're having. And it's like, cause she's kind of got her eyes completely closed the whole way through the movie as to what's actually going on with Kuklinski. She's happy to have the money and, and not ask too many questions or just embrace the false shit that he's

Sidey: Yeah, She's

she's believed everything. And at one of these parties, one of the wives says about cartoons, she's like, cartoons?

If that's what we're calling pornos now?

And she's like

What? And he

sort of gives

the look

as if to say, you better

shut the

Cris: a film.

Shut

Sidey: got

Dan: he's got that look down, isn't he? It's probably a little bit later on in the film, but he does end up giving that look to we own a rider. And she, she tries to she tries to sort of press him for an answer at one point, where's this money coming from? And he just. Shows

Sidey: Well, I think his his rage.

cause we, It's sort of like

the midweek.

and we

don't get a huge

amount

of backstory. But we

do meet his brother who's in prison

for murdering, rape and

Murder.

of a 12 year old girl, And I would just get one very brief flashback sequence of getting

beaten. Relentlessly by his old man. So we know that's what the upbringing was like.

And

then he so he's got a

Reegs: his brother, though, his brother does give us a bit of crucial information. 'cause he says, oh. I know the shit that you did in your youth, like, you know,

I know

you're a killer, basically, and

Cris: you don't play the family now with me, the family man. You got two kids. Family? Who are you kidding? I remember when you set up fire to that dog and all that

Sidey: yeah.

so now it's, it's his

sort

of

thing's been going on for going on for a long time. But, he's, does it for a living, but that's still Even though he's Iceman, and, has been shown

to be,

like,

remorseless.

I still,

you know, there's still going to be that thing of, you kill people,

right?

And he has this violent upbringing stuff, and so the rage that he has starts to bleed

into his home life.

And we,

we see him. He gets

Reegs: country. Meanwhile, sorry

Pete,

Cris: meanwhile, meanwhile, sorry Pete, but meanwhile the story goes into the fact that Dave Sherman's character,

Reegs: Yeah,

he's a

Cris: Rothenstein wants to be a tough guy, uses Roy de Mayo's name around in town and he uses it too much, puts himself in trouble, kills these Colombians in a drug deal.

So he takes it's old school American drug rip. I come with the money. You come with the drugs. I take the money and the drugs and I kill you. And then he goes to. Find out where Rosenstein is hiding, and then we see this scene where him and James Franco have a tete a tete, which is

Reegs: he's sent there to kill Schwimmer, but

Schwimmer's not there, and he finds Franco, who's,

with a 17 year old girl. Yeah, in a role that's really difficult for James Franco to play,

and he's been ordered, to kill Rosenthal, but he, isn't there, and when he They have a

really interesting

conversation, because

he gets on the phone to

DiMeo, James Franco's character, and passes the phone back to Michael Shannon, Kuklinski, who

is instructed, obviously, to kill

him and he says, let's see if God will save you because they've had this conversation a few times.

And he says he'll wait, just for a few minutes, just you pray.

wait

Cris: know if anyone's seen, I've seen the interview as well. It's on Amazon Prime as well, the actual interview with the actual guy in prison, and one of his regrets, he does say, he's like, I do regret, he's like, I don't I do regret the fact that I made a guy once pray for half an hour and then I still killed him.

He's like, I probably shouldn't have done that. But he says it like he's talking about the soup that he had for lunch. So it didn't, it doesn't come as remorse, but he just says it. Yeah, I probably regret that. I

Dan: wish I'd have gone for the other soup. Yeah.

Cris: shouldn't have, shouldn't have done that.

Sidey: so he does,

he, He does execute

him,

but as he is about to leave, he hears a noise

and it's the young girl

is, is hiding in the in the,

Dan: the same age of his own daughter.

Sidey: Yeah. And so he, we find out that He kind of does have a code.

Reegs: Well he's got a line at least. Women and

Sidey: and children.

He

says he won't kill women and children.

Sounds, Maybe that's because his brother

did it to

a young

girl.

Reegs: think that was

Sidey: That's what the, yeah. And so he, he just let, he just walks out with her.

And as he's going out, he bumps into

Dan: Another killer. Another contract killer

Cris: Frosty,

Dan: circling

Sidey: Yeah. Chris

Evans.

again playing, like, just endlessly not wanting to be Captain America anymore. As this kind

Dan: America anymore. Ice

Sidey: cream

van assassin

Reegs: With

long hair

Sidey: just looks

so

Dan: it's great. Well, this is where it all starts to go south because he is going

Sidey: well, well, this is the, this is the, where it all starts to go south because he is gonna let this girl go but she's fucking seen, you know, she's seen him. That's a

loose end, yeah.

She's seen Frosty She's, she knows too much she's a loose end that they cannot have, but he's like, I'm not gonna

kill her.

And he stops her,

but when he, He meets

him later on, and he just

like, whoop, he just pulls back the, the in the ice cream van and she's in there.

He's like, no,

Dan: no. Caught up with her eventually,

Sidey: can't be left. and DiMaio finds out, and it's like, you know, what the fuck are you doing? You can't be leaving, like, loose ends like that. That's not, that's not

cool.

Dan: I don't sleep well if you do

Cris: And they also already have the guy from the city coming over,

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: The mafia guy. I can't remember

his name. Leo.

Dan: there's another mob boss

Sidey: they've kicked off a turf war. with the

Reegs: Carbo. They've got

the Colombians. There's Also,

other crime families closing

Cris: Gambino, the in real, in real life. The Roy, the mayor was working for the Gambino.

Pete: But that loose end is what causes DiMaio to Let Kuklinski go

from it. Yeah, from his role, like effectively sack him, yeah.

Reegs: And this instigates a bit of,

Dan: No HR back in those

Pete: It's professional life

Reegs: life bleeding into is we've all had that where it's difficult to separate work his comes in the form of Well, he accidentally rear ends

another car and gets into an altercation.

With the guy,

I think when he's looking over his shoulder thinking people are coming for him, and then it goes on a road

Sidey: for a road rage.

Reegs: with his

two daughters screaming in the back, and his wife really.

Sidey: they don't, I think in real life he was properly violent, like he knocked around

a lot. Yeah, they just don't, they don't

pay any attention

to that. he shouts her a little bit, basically, in this.

I think

he was

Dan: Yeah, but in in this particular scene, he's the red mist has just kind of enveloped him. He can't take the fact that somebody's disrespected him in front of his family. And even with them in the back, he's driving the wrong way up a wrong way street in pursuit of a car

Sidey: It's the worst crime he commits

in the entire movie.

Dan: Yeah, it's but yeah, I mean with the kids in the back and they're they're only young and he's screaming They're

Sidey: screaming Oh, he is completely lost it.

Dan: he's gone and I think they probably then see that, you know His daughters and that maybe if they've had any doubt before they realize well

dad's

Sidey: also created this illusion. You know, that he's the successful currency trader and now the money will dry up because he's not gonna get any more hits to do. And so he's under

some sort of pressure.

So he ends up going To get an ice cream from Frosty, and

He just says, is it my lucky day or my last day? He

says to And

they just come up with this arrangement that they're

going to just

go into overdrive on the kills and

Split the profits 50 50.

Reegs: Kuklinski

had been sworn to just Enforce for DiMeo whereas Mr. Frosty Prong, I

think

Dan: works for anyone.

Reegs: Yeah. He, he's a freelancer and so he says, right, I'll do the killing. And you do the, you do the,

Dan: the prep. R yeah.

Reegs: Which involves,

cyanide is Mr. Frosty's weapon of choice, and we get a little bit

Dan: the spray bottle cyanide,

Sidey: cyanide. yeah.

Reegs: And also the,

where really

the other part of the name comes from in the Mr.

Frosty likes to freeze his victims and then dump them later so that the police

can't

Sidey: It's the

time of death.

Pete: the, police can't

find out. this grotty place where there's like a corpse hanging from the ceiling and another one

Sidey: just chatting away,

Pete: Chatting away

Sidey: it ain't no thing.

Chatting away whilst they're dismembering like

Pete: and stuff is

Sidey: He's just

cleavering, like, arms and legs and stuff.

Dan: oh it's just back to work isn't it, you know, it's a real factory

Sidey: says we're gonna need some more shelves, because they've got them lined up.

against the fucking hell.

And then, and you're watching it thinking, that fucking happened.

Dan: Yeah. It's, it's like

Sidey: Yeah,

Dan: he's cold. He's like an ice man.

Cris: man.

Reegs: So,

Leo

Leo

Mercks hires the guys to off Mickey Schicoli. Yeah. Artie Buco which they do

in a

club through a sort of, he pretends

to sneeze it.

Oh, he see, Oh,

we see an amazing bit of Captain America dancing.

Yeah

that little move was great. And then he sort

of dances

through the club, Michael Shannon, and sort of sneezes si cyanide in his face, which makes him look like he's had a heart attack.

Dan: Yeah, in the nightclub and that particular job is, is that, you know, don't make this look messy. If it looks like a, an accident and it's not back on me, then there's extra money to be had and, and all the rest of it.

So they've got this going on. He stopped actually, he's recognized.

Reegs: When he walks out the club, the last thing you want to be doing

Is recognised.

Dan: cognize bump. Yeah. Bump into your wife's friends. And one of them actually starts to ask him about, you know, oh, I heard you in with so and so. Any chance you can get me with a job? Of course, they're just escaping from a job right now. The police are rolling

Sidey: You hear the sirens.

Dan: Yeah. He, he manages to, to get out.

But you, you sense that the net is closing a little bit for

Sidey: Well yeah, because you know, it's just one

city.

And

they're fucking killing all the time. And you think everyone,

must know who they are.

Cris: all the time.

Sidey: ok, take it out.

Cris: must know where they are. 300 kilometers from where he was last seen, and it's a fresh body. So that's what confused everyone. The problem was apparently that the more busy he got, he'd start dumping bodies more and more around and closer to where he actually lived. In the, in the kind of

Dan: Shitting on your own doorstep, yeah. That's what that is.

Sidey: So

Cris: how he managed to stay for so long, because this is three decades,

Dan: Yeah. And you think, yeah,

Sidey: yeah, We see his beard gets a bit

grayer

as we progress.

Dan: As you pointed out, you know, there's no CCTV. There's, this is, you know, murder in little alleys and things. Nobody's got that big brother oversight on people. But yeah, the net is closing a little bit on Kukinski at this point. And the, the mob boss really doesn't like the fact that he's taken up other work as

Reegs: taken up other work as Well, also, Simon says he's made

to

Dan: for

Sidey: Also, Simon Mayo is made to

kill Ross from friends.

Dan: Yeah,

Reegs: he's clear. He

says He, found this

Sidey: He shoots him once and he's clearly, he says he found this guy on the street and he's sort of raised him he's had him under his wing for a long time.

So he's very, very reluctant, but not

completely unwilling to do

1. He shoots him once and the

other

fella's like Well to be hit, it's going to be hit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

the

other guy's

like, for fuck's sake, and just like, guns him down and lies on the floor, proper execution

style. And then, yeah, he finds out that the hits have still been going on after he's been explicitly told fucking not

1. So he's disgruntled goat

Cris: Well, he shows up to his house, at his daughter's party.

Pete: party

Sidey: is, he's

Reegs: an amazing

Sidey: Yeah.

Yeah.

Pete: Yeah,

that's a chilling scene where they rock up and he has to go outside and address

Sidey: put the gun, he says, just not in front, not, it's my daughter's party. Can he just go down the block?

Yeah. Again, just like cold.

Reegs: Yeah.

But we've also seen DeMaio not want to, honor those.

sorts

of requests as know what's going to

Dan: Yeah, no, he's, he's a loose cannon. He's a loose cannon. But his daughter comes in this particular occasion and they seem to find a heart from somewhere

Sidey: in the Don't touch it.

Dan: He says, don't

touch her. Don't touch her. And you

Sidey: I see

you again, you're dead.

Cris: I see you again. You're dead. Yeah. Don't, don't do anything without

me.

Sidey: now

Reegs: me.

No,

Cris: No.

Now is the case because he, he, they still think it's six months or four months. Later, but the fact transpired that everybody knows that or is an unknown fact that Leo ordered the murder of Sicoli. So then now he's trying to get the money, the 40 plus 10, so the 50 grand for the job and he goes to meet him.

Mr. Frosty tells him, let's just cut our losses. Let's take it as a loss. It's fine. We do a couple more jobs. We'll take the money because meanwhile, he is trying to buy property in Atlantic city. He tries to become a landlord. He tries to become, I don't know if it's a casino or just apartments. I can't really

Dan: trying to legitimize his, his

Cris: Earnings. Yeah. So he's trying to buy some property in Atlantic city. And he's like, no, I need the money. I need the money. Now we don't understand. And he goes to, to get the money from Leo. And Leo is just like, listen, You're good at what you do. You are a smart ack, but just leave now. Don't pull the gun on me.

Don't. Do you know who I

Dan: the gun on me. Don't do it. You know who I am.

This is heavy. This

Sidey: my guy.

Dan: this is exactly, this isn't like a run of the mill. This isn't the bum that I shot at the beginning of this. This is, and you can see him for the first time, he's actually kind of holding his head and he's, he's

Pete: Yeah, he gets angry, he kills him, but then he gets angry with him afterwards.

For forcing him into

Sidey: He checks his wallet, doesn't he? Yeah. He never had the money.

Yeah. There to give him,

So yeah, he is getting a bit panicky now. Yeah. He goes

to

meet Frosty

to me on the bench and Frosty

lets slip there. he

knows where he lives,

which feels like a

Reegs: lets slip he knows where he lives, which feels like a mistake.

Dan: Well, tensions are high

Pete: I took it that DeMaio, like,

Sidey: I think had ordered It

but Yeah, It could have been.

Pete: Yeah, it could have been, yeah.

yeah.

Reegs: Because he let slip about the

Sidey: know. Yeah. Yeah. yeah,

Dan: But as soon as Chris Evans is said

Sidey: there's

no

coming

back from

Dan: know. That's it. Brutal. He just

shoots

Pete: just shoots him He does it once with

a

Sidey: tissue, and

then He

goes

Pete: he gets, the

Dan: and then he takes the newspaper, pulls his jacket up, sits him on the bench and walks off. Call his a cucumber again.

Reegs: That, is just after, He has, we, Did we say that one of the offers

that he made is that the only way

out of this is that we'll

just kill

each other's

Sidey: why don't we just,

Reegs: I'll kill your family

and you kill mine.

It's like, what is that, which is the Hitchcock movie where it's like,

Sidey: Dial M for Murder? It's

Reegs: a train or whatever, where you're supposed to and I'll kill yours, you kill mine.

and it's,

I'll

Dan: Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't a great deal for Klinsky. He, he still loved his family enough to, to want them to stay alive.

And in fact, you do get that sense that In some misguided

Sidey: Only

Reegs: only in the movie though. Only in the movie. And That's the fucking big

Dan: That he had a, he had love for his family, you know, but whatever. He just kind of used them as an excuse to get angry at people who disrespected them a little bit more.

That might be the case as well. Where do we move after this? Because we're

Reegs: Well, we get a kind of,

Dan: the end where he's getting caught.

Reegs: He gets set up basically by,

is it FBI?

No, ATF, it's Al Capone, it's

Cris: Yeah, alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.

Reegs: and he's, it's really sketchy the details even in this thing.

It's a friend

of a friend

that

blah, blah blah and he meets him and I want you

to Kill a

college kid who owes me $2,000 or something, it sounds so sketchy.

And you see him

preparing a, I think, I'm gonna say it's peanut butter and jam

Dan: Cyanide sandwich. Yeah, yeah it is.

Reegs: Which he feeds to the cat,

Dan: Which doesn't die straight

Reegs: the, Yeah, was he wearing gloves?

Cris: Yes, he was while he was preparing the food, and then as soon as his wife comes out of the house, he shuts the booth and takes the gloves off, yeah.

Reegs: And as

he pulls away he's

looking at the cat, and the cat is still quite happy. having eaten this cyanide, and that's when he realizes he's fucked, and the a TF swoop in

Sidey: and arrest

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: That's, apparently, that's another one that happened in real life, that it took about 12 people to

Dan: Well, you wouldn't want to go alone

Reegs: They're all screaming and pointing shotguns at him.

basically,

Sidey: Yeah,

the guy walks past her, I remember him. Yeah, well

Pete: Yeah, and shit, like, Riona Ryder puts up

Sidey: A bit

Pete: of a fight. She's like, leave him alone,

That bit kind of, not confused me, but, because the scene where they're at the bedside of the daughter who's been hit and run, he's there kind of, again, like, you know, fairly emotionless, but clearly kind of, you know, perturbed by what

Sidey: said. Yeah. He says, I'll make

sure

Pete: Yeah, but she's like, you know, she's like

Sidey: but she, but he

says, he says, I'm gonna make sure

That this doesn't happen

again

Or like, implies

that he's gonna go off and kill someone.

Pete: But,

but

Sidey: I, was I mis

Pete: Well, he,

Sidey: interpreting this? 'cause she says, you better,

Pete: he kind of reaches over to the daughter and, she's like, don't you touch her? And so, so by this time I'm thinking, right. Well, the cat's out the bag. She knows that he's a proper wrong un, like that, But then it's still, when, it comes to like you know, like the final scene of. You know, it doesn't paint a picture of her being, like, kind of, like, in the, like, stuck in this situation, and she's

Sidey: having

Pete: now living in fear or whatever. She's desperate, like, for them to, like, leave him alone, and, like, she's not, she's confused by it all and everything.

So, I know she doesn't know exactly what he is,

Sidey: Well,

the the meeting in the car, he says that he had done a currency trade and he had borrowed money from the

mob,

effectively. But she doesn't know that he's killed hundreds of people. That's not

where

you go That's not your first thought

when you

think someone's done something

dishonest.

But Yeah,

So he's captured, and

then

we get back to where we were at the very, very beginning of the film.

Where he he says it's

kind of like zero remorse. Yeah.

Cris: He does, he does do a very good impression of the, of the actual guy because that's how throughout the interviews, the original interviews, if anyone wants to watch them, there is 50 minutes long, I think, and it's really, really.

I don't know, intense and also quite cold, but the only time he actually shows emotion and when he grinds his teeth a little bit, he shows just anger, rather than anything else, is when he speaks about his father, his brother, or his family. So, when he speaks about his brother and his dad, he kind of grinds his teeth and looks like he's angry and upset and when he speaks about about his family then like his daughters and and the wife that's when he you can see a little bit of the remorse that's when he says you see the ice man crying because that's the only time when he actually shows any emotion like real emotion.

Reegs: Yeah. And,

Dan: starts melting, the Iceman,

Sidey: the ice.

He died,

yeah. That's right, There's also talk of

Dan: yeah. That's right, and there was also talk of him being involved in the is it Jimmy

Sidey: Well, you can't

prove

Dan: you can't prove

Sidey: Well, the guy

Reegs: the guy was a pathological liar and total fantasist, as well as a killer. And there's very little

Dan: Some

Reegs: any of His stories other than the five killings that he was convicted of. So

Dan: you can be sure that he's prob he's done more than

Reegs: he claimed,

more than five.

But anyway, that's,

Cris: he has

Dan: well somebody killed him. Reeks.

Cris: like

Pete: Yeah, like, he's only killed

Cris: felt like, when we watched

Sidey: I don't,

like.

want to talk about

The actual movie itself, I don't know it felt like

We watched one film this week that like

was just

like completely authentic and you know,

Amazing, I felt this was kind of dumbed down a little bit I like Michael Shannon but I don't know if this is like the best thing he's ever done it was like, yeah, it was just kind of like middle of the road for me

Dan: I like Michael Shannon.

I think he's a really good character actor. I've seen him play Elvis. And he was fantastic in that I like this film. I must say I watched it. Right there beginning of the the podcast week and I thought about it a few times over over the course of the week. I just thought it was It had some dark humor in places.

And it had little bits of obviously that that true story wasn't as gritty and true as as the A prayer before dawn which we reviewed for for the midweek

But it did give me a sense of a story that I didn't know anything about this Kuklinski. I didn't realize quite the, the, the depths of the, the horrors that he'd been in, quite how cold he was and those interviews and that kind of very, you know.

Cold Iceman Kind of persona. He didn't speak a lot He was you know, really cool under pressure and everything. He gave zero fucks. He was

Sidey: doesn't tell you the stuff about him being like a horrible

fucking

piece of shit to his wife. and it kind of just says,

well he just killed people, who, other people who are bad.

Reegs: I really disliked the movie's portrayal of Kuklinski, and I didn't like this movie a lot at all actually, but the portrayal, particularly, of him being a sort of loving and yet romantic sort of father, and like the whole, that was just bullshit.

He regularly beat his wife, he threatened to kill his children I just don't understand what the point of, was like, in

Dan: romanticising This

Reegs: Romanticizing This guy,

in a fairly mediocre movie that dealt a lot in cliche and was very drab

visually terrible score, apart from a terrific performance from Michael Shannon who I, I really liked,

So there's no

reason to watch it

at all.

Pete: I think what it was trying to do, is, because it was, you know, it's called the Iceman, and that was obviously this guy's nickname, I think that they were trying to do like a, you know, a movie portrayal of why he was called that. Because at the beginning and all the stuff that sets it up of why he's the Iceman, you know, like he's getting guns pointed in his face, how he's executing people and everything is just so cold and clinical and everything.

Reegs: It could have all been bullshit as well though. you

Pete: Very, Very much so. Look, I don't know the real story so I'm not, I'm not bothered by that in the slightest. I'm talking about the movie itself but, so for me it kind of like, it was, it was

progressing really well and nicely for me. And then, all of a sudden, like, the slightest little things are making him unravel.

I know that that may have happened, but it was all, the only way to not justify making the film, or glorify him in any way, was because it was, you know, this portrayal of a guy who's so cold blooded, and will just, you know, he's so in control, his pulse just doesn't even like, race slightly when he's, when he's doing everything.

And that's kind of like being portrayed for the first half of the movie and then as soon as like anything sort of like goes wrong in, in that world he starts unraveling and becoming reckless and, and thawing out massively and, and it isn't, like and very much isn't the Iceman which kind of like then just not spoiled it but, but you know it then diminished like from, from that kind of halfway point.

I, I, I, I, watched it, enjoyed it to a part, to a point but. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't knockout. And if we're stacking it up against the midweek, it's, it's no contest.

Cris: wasn't knockout. And if we're stacking it up against the midweek, it's no contest. It's a movie based on a, it's loosely based on a character. I don't know how many biopics or whatever you call them. Adaptations are really portraying it.

Be it we've had, I don't know if we've done the whitey Bulger thing with Johnny Depp. I can't remember the, yeah, Black Mass, where it's the same. He was 30 times more horrible than they depicted him in that movie. The guy in The Departed, all the, these are horrible people. There's the guy in American Gangster, you know, you kind of feel sympathy for him because that's how the movie tries to keep you attached

Reegs: of that? What is the point of trying to make you feel

sympathy for

Cris: watch the movie, I guess.

I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a film critic. I just enjoy the fact that.

Dan: you've nailed it really that it was it was done to make the film a little more watchable because you think of the film that we watched the prayer before dawn that was harrowing and dark and it was a tough watch as much as as we'll talk about how great the performance were and how realistic was how gritty it was i enjoyed this film more because it made me feel a lot less anxiety and you know that kind of real slog for a movie I kind of enjoyed this at parts because it was a storyline to it and the character I thought it was good.

Whereas A Prayer Before Dawn I felt was, yeah, I can, I can see the argument of realism if we're talking about which is the most real film. Yeah, it's that one. But this was a film I go into enjoy. I want to learn a little bit. And they do put a little bit of a Hollywood twist on it. But I can take that because I know it's there.

And if I want to dig deeper, I'll go into the The records of it. Those interviews. Yeah. And things and go, yeah, actually he's a real nasty sod,

Sidey: Yeah. Okay, so we all hated this, but let's see what the audience globally thought budget for it was 10 million US dollars. Okay. What do you think its box office take

Dan: I reckon it was 11.

Cris: 11. I probably, I think it was 3.

Dan: mm,

Cris: I probably think it was 3 or something.

Pete: Yeah, it's a,

Cris: definitely not a big

hit.

What

Pete: a smash. So

74

Cris: Fuck

Reegs: Seventy

Pete: That was a number.

Sidey: number?

Amazing. No, it was yeah. Chris was almost bang on. It's 4. 5 million. Yeah. So, a big, big floppy one.

Dan: okay. It melted.

Cris: Yeah, I knew it didn't make a lot of money. Especially because, I have to say, out of all the actors in it, I think they're all quite good actors. Generally, obviously not in this one.

Sidey: I think there was loads of different casting options originally. It was going to be Maggie Gyllenhaal.

And

Reegs: Gyllenhaal.

As Kuklinski? That would have been amazing!

Sidey: she went and got pregnant. And So She couldn't

do it. And other people were also linked to it

and that never happened. And so we ended up with this.

Great cardigans.

Cris: this. Corey Cardigans

Dan: Costumes

Sidey: Come for the murders, stay for

the

cardigans

Pete: And schwimmer as well, I like

Sidey: Schwimmer. Yeah, it was good.

Dan: Strongly recommend.

Pete: Always.

Sidey: ha

ha,

Dan: Yes.

So it's kids

thing.

Sidey: Yes, this was Ladybug and Cat Noir. I don't know if it's thematically linked to everything else that we've watched this week.

Reegs: Paris is exotic, slash not exotic, I would

Sidey: Paris.

Midnight Inn. Checks notes.

Cris: a, as a,

Dan: so this, this was very similar Cartoon graphics to other things that are on

Sidey: Well, as soon as I cast my Eye over it, I was getting PJ Mask.

vibes from this but they're probably a little bit older,

uh

Characters.

Pete: Yeah, it's more polished than PJ Masks as well. I'd

Reegs: say.

It's got a bit of

anime type stuff to it when

it.

Sidey: It's French IP originally, isn't it? This?

Yeah. This was series 1 episode 15, but that is different depending on where you pick it up from.

But If you go on Netflix, which is explicitly what we were told to do

Dan.

Reegs: But this was apparently the origins story, and I honestly was, this was 22 minutes, and I was fucking baffled from the second it started until the end. as to what any of

Dan: Yeah, well it was origins and it was Season one, episode 15.

Sidey: two parter.

Dan: yeah, they, they didn't start right

Cris: like Well, that's why, because I thought episode one, it just said, ta da da, this, and I was like, okay, well, let me search for, for for an exotic place or something, and then it just said, origins at episode 15, and I thought, well, at least if it's episode 15, I want to know what the initial story is, and then

Reegs: But were you any the wiser after it happened?

Because it was very strange,

wasn't

Sidey: it?

Cris: it was in Paris, though, so that was

Sidey: So there's

two people

who are shagging?

Reegs: Well, it was soon.

Sidey: is kids TV.

Dan: I don't think they were.

Cris: they were

Reegs: oh, it starts with a barrel load of exposition about

fucking

no news and tutu and fucking okumas and like pink things and bracelets and magic earrings and shit. and then a hawk moth, Whatever that was.

Sidey: So

Cris: it's all this, like,

Sidey: He is the cat.

And she is the ladybug. Yes.

is it her magic earrings that

turn her

into the ladybug.

Reegs: Yeah. And he's got a magic cock ring

Sidey: and a urethral sounding rod

is, his attack weapon of choice, Yeah.

That's really all you need to know. that's the main

takeaway from

this.

Cris: The, the listen is the, the story is old this time. There's a villain somewhere in a, in space or in a, in a unknown allaire location in Allaire. And then he has some sort of magical powers who have normally been used for good, but he is evil.

Yes.

Reegs: he's gonna

create super villains

Cris: Yes. And he wants to get the ladybug earrings and the penis ring

Sidey: Yeah,

Cris: create. even more, a bigger army of evil heroes.

Sidey: but won't that army eventually rise up and overthrow you?

as the

Cris: I'm not really sure, but we also have a very good copy of Mr. Miyagi.

Like a cartoon character of Mr. Miyagi, who again, I think that's the, the

the

tricky

part

is

being episode 15 is that the origins is on episode 15 because you already have. 14 episodes before that where you get used to all these kind of worlds and where this is coming from and all that.

I didn't know that.

Reegs: Well, no, '

because you're probably not

a regular watcher

of Ladybug

and Cat Noir.

Cris: I,

Reegs: No,

Cris: I,

I,

I'm not, but I thought or Origins at least it'll explain who Ladybug is and who,

Sidey: who,

To me, it looked like a lot

of other

things, you know, it's people in, you know, costumed heroes. It's kind

of seen it a million, billion times.

Dan: well my instant impression was that as well, that what is elevating this above Some other, you know, similar programs.

Pete: have we

Reegs: got, we got letters

Pete: from children, here? I mean, like, we all have daughters.

Other

Dan: No, but

Pete: like, has any of our daughters watched this

that you know

Dan: just, just quickly going back a week or two, there was that Australian lunch time thing, little lunch, that's on in my house.

All the time now, every time I come back. So,

Reegs: and gym, like Gymnastics

Academy is on all the

Dan: I, I've, I've not, I've not seen gymnastics academy, but I don't think this is the kind of thing that's going to get a lot of traction just because it does seem to be very similar to anything else.

Pete: one

of my lads

Was watching this for a bit, but he is what, probably the weirdest one.

So

uh,

like,

I think that in itself shows that it's Not

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: it feels very interchangeable with a million other costumes, kid, fighting

Cris: Yeah, they're superheroes,

Sidey: it does, I say it does look like it's well animated and put together. I just felt it's kind of generic.

Reegs: I honestly didn't have a clue what was going on from beginning. I concentrated in all that, but I just didn't know. I enjoyed the bit at Park de France. There was a bit there.

Dan: Yeah.

There was

Pete: a big stone thing throwing goals

Reegs: there was lots of talks of shit that I just didn't have a clue what they were talking about.

And then it

Cris: Dan would tell you because he had it on double speed as well, so he really,

Pete: We had the wrong episode on double speed. for a while.

Dan: yeah,

Reegs: on double speed!

Dan: Yeah, well, just because it was double speed, so I had to watch it twice. But, yeah, it wasn't anything that I would want to watch at single speed. Because that would Just

Cris: Yeah, listen, it's 20 minutes. You're not, you're not losing a lot of time of your

Dan: But I I just don't think this has had enough even to capture the kids really I don't know whether it made any New ground here.

It was just the same shit. You might as well go and do it

Reegs: Extensive shit online about this. So I think it is extremely popular,

Dan: right? Yeah. Okay. Well i've been wrong before

Cris: Gonna say, did it make any money or has it got a following? Because there seems to be a movie Sorry, I don't know why I'm shouting.

There seems to be a movie, there seems to be a

Sidey: a Christmas special. Yeah,

Cris: Christmas special, second season or something like that.

Dan: seem

Reegs: the movie, is set in

an alternate multiverse.

Sidey: wow. Well, a multiverse.

Cris: Well, exotic

Dan: Maybe it gets better than these episodes that I've seen.

Highly.

Sidey: doubt

Pete: No,

it's been on in my house before and it's been like utterly, like unfollowable. I'd

Reegs: I'd rather watch that

rape scene

Pete: scene from the first season. Me

too. Yeah.

Let's watch that now.

Cris: Okay,

Sidey: not the strongest recommend then.

of the week. It's

Pete: a strong recommend.

Cris: it's still a strong one, but not the strongest

Reegs: There are stronger

Dan: recommends than this one. I think little lunch is still going to be

Sidey: It's massive.

Dan: pretty

Cris: Yeah, if anyone watches this, the Tour de Montparnasse gets destroyed by some, I don't know, stone creature, so it's it's a Tour de Montparnasse.

The

Montparnasse Tower.

Pete: Tower. It's a bit, just a bit out

Sidey: We already

said Strong Recommend

Cris: it's the best place, listen, it's the best place to view the skyline of Paris, because if you go to the Eiffel Tower on the top, you don't see the Eiffel Tower. If you go to the Montparnasse, you see the whole skyline, including the Eiffel Tower.

Sidey: both will smell of piss.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: And it's been destroyed in this

Cris: this, so, strong recommend from everyone.

Pete: ha

Reegs: I've got

Sidey: you? I've got noms, so we can all, we can all learn about them.

right now.

Pete: Stick

Dan: We

Reegs: Are you going to put them in the

Pete: Talk about them and stick them on the group.

Dan: them

Sidey: I'll tell you what they are because people listening to

this on Friday might want to

get involved. So I teased you with the information that the midweaker is really

old.

And so

let's see if you

can get it, see if you can get who the actor is from the top five. It's Top five statues

or

sculptures.

Pete: Michelangelo.

Cris: Pinocchio.

Sidey: It's

someone who has a statue.

Pete: Thierry Henry.

Sidey: No. So the Midweeker is the bulldog

breed.

It's a

Norman, it's a Norman wisdom,

movie. He's got a statue somewhere. The main

Dan: Immortum is somewhere, isn't it? No, that's Blackpool,

Sidey: no, That's no.

The main feature

is First Man.

Reegs: Okay. cool. Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling. Yeah.

Sidey: And the kids one is Lower Decks,

Season one, Episode one. You can get on Prime, I think.

Reegs: Is there a theme there?

Sidey: Outer Space.

Dan: Right,

Sidey: Not necessarily in the top

five.

The top Statues

or sculptures.

Okay.

The midweek is the Bulldog

breed which may

or may not

feature a bit in outer He's got a

statue in, like, Armenia or something like that. Oh,

Dan: Albania. It's

Pete: It's Malta, he's really big in Malta.

Reegs: You knew it then.

Pete: I did know, yeah.

Reegs: one knows this,

Pete: I didn't know anything about the

Dan: big, I think he's big in Albania as

Pete: It's Albania. It's Albania. They're

Dan: I am right again, yeah.

Sidey: places. So there you go. So That's what we're doing

Reegs: forward to that.

Sidey: enjoy. We've never done a Normal Wisdom film Until

the next time that

we

Dan: What was, what was the Mr. Hargreaves or something like

Sidey: that? Mr. Grimsdale. Mr. Grimsdale? Yeah. That's the kind

of shit you can look

Dan: of

Cris: you can afford to

Dan: Wow. This next one's going viral.

Sidey: All that remains is to say Sidey signing out.

Reegs: Regs is saying goodbye.

Pete: And me.

Cris: saying goodbye.

Dan: Dan's gone. Literally gone.