Midweek Mention... Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

Rogue One

Dan: Rogue. One

Sidey: Lon a Star Wars story.

Dan: Yeah. Terry Rogue One

Sidey: inspired possibly by watching and or.

Dan: Yeah, big

Reegs: Yeah. Did you know that the guy who wrote this also, or co-wrote this, also wrote Murder Bot as well? Was that a happy

Dan: There's not a lot. I don't know about this week Riggs. But that is one of the things I didn't know.

Yeah. Yeah. Happy coincidence.

Reegs: Mm. Oh, there you go.

Dan: It's

Cris: you did say that today actually.

Sidey: tell you that. Yeah. I did also disclose that Riggs told me I didn't know that myself. Yes. Yeah, you did. This is then the first sort of spinoff of the original kind of nine ology.

Reegs: Yes. But as a sort of piece, it's kind of episode 3.75, isn't it?

It's like right there just before

Sidey: four. It's, it's literally days before episode four, isn't it?

Dan: It's an exciting movie list because most Star Wars nerds are already just overexcited

Sidey: I'm sure that this question's been answered on the [00:01:00] internet, but in episode four, Mon Moer Who Bracket Loves a Rave.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Says many Boan died.

Reegs: It's in Return of the Jedi. It's about the second death star. It's that one. It's, yeah. That was about Manny Boan.

Sidey: Ian Boan.

Reegs: Ian Boons. Yeah. Many b many Ian Boams

Sidey: because I was watching this going this just like humans

Reegs: Yeah. No, look up boons on the internet. You'll be really disappointed.

They're like kind of wooly, sort of foxy creatures. And

Dan: were species that were much loved actually,

Reegs: But that was for the second death star, which hopefully they gave the exact same design flaw to, but let's not really think

Dan: but they only had that, those

Sidey: it

Reegs: set of plans, we're gonna just do it again.

Sidey: like Star Wars to retread to the same thing over and over and over again. Anyway, this is obviously the story of how they acquired the plans to facilitate the destruction of the Death Star in episode that we see in episode four,

Dan: and I'm assuming actually that they made both death stars at the same time.

That's

Reegs: probably, [00:02:00]

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: You can't just whip up a deathstar, you know, like that

Reegs: wait and, or tells you that it takes kind of 12 years of meticulous planning and like,

Dan: so I think they'd already started on building

Sidey: It's like, you know, in contact when there's, there's two of the same thing, you know, in case one breaks you've gotta fall back.

Yeah.

Dan: got another one to go.

Sidey: you

were to destroy, if someone's destroy one.

Dan: what are the odds?

Sidey: got a fully

Dan: another one anyway.

Sidey: Yeah, we've

Dan: we've got another one with the same

Sidey: So we, we, we, we know it's, and or Right. We've seen him, we've got a series about him. We've all been watching it and we meet him like early doors in the first one.

Reegs: Yeah. It starts with the, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. It does. But that, but no text, but no text crawl. Yeah. And then it sort of starts with what you think is a star destroyer, but turns out to be like some light reflecting off the rings of a planet and yeah. So none of the two and we haven't got the traditional John Williams score either.

It's like Michael Gino's kind of hit

Sidey: I didn't like the score in

Reegs: No,

Dan: what I [00:03:00] like about this though is that we see and or is willing

Sidey: he'll kill people

Dan: do what it takes.

Reegs: Mm-hmm.

Dan: Even people that are collaborating with him as we find out he's getting information from a spy from the Empire who's really nervous about meeting.

It's in a busy town in some alien planet, and he's, I mean, the place is covered with,

Sidey: storm troopers

Reegs: Trooper, yeah. And it's kind of grimy and really very

Dan: it's real noir and lived in, and everybody, you can see that. The, the storm troopers are asking for IDs and pushing people up against the wall and things.

So it's really heightened in there the atmosphere and the tension. And this guy

Reegs: anyone who's Mexican,

Dan: Exactly. It's all that kind of thing. If you're a Costa Rican Mexican or Puerto Rican, then, you know,

Sidey: a police state.

Dan: It's, it's almost like that. It's almost like, you know, they've just got cops on the streets firing rubber bullets of journalists

Reegs: [00:04:00] Yeah.

Dan: And or then meets his spy, who's really nervous, just wants to get the fuck out there. He doesn't even want to say what he's come to say because he feels like he's been waiting too long. And when they finally get rumbled, he's just had the word. You know that they have this Death

Reegs: Well, he mentions the name Galen Urso and he instantly sort of pays attention to that.

And if you've seen and or you know, there's like a whole rich history of why he would be interested in that name. How he is picked it up. But anyway, he picks him up and he tells him

Dan: about, and do you know, do you recognize this guy? Who, where's, what's he been in because I recognized him before, he's been in kind of British

Cris: He's been in a film with Jason Statham when they rob a bank.

Dan: Yeah. He's,

Reegs: the bank robber.

Dan: Maybe that, but I like him

Cris: bank job maybe bank job maybe.

Reegs: job maybe.

Cris: think that's what it's called. He's definitely been in that one. He's British. Yeah.

Dan: I think I've seen him in soccer Am and you know, he's just been on the fringes of, and I like him as an actor and he, he, yeah, like a lot of these actors, they [00:05:00] probably grew up in Star Wars.

Absolutely love it. Just to get the smallest part on Star Wars. It's, it's fantastic. And he plays this

Reegs: well,

he's jittery and nervous and,

Dan: and get shot

and or.

Sidey: he just fucking executes him. He ruthlessly just fucking guns him down.

Reegs: down. They've already dispatched two storm troopers and, or has, and the other guy's freaked

Dan: What the fuck are you doing?

Reegs: He's killed him to quell the situation, which, you know, quite ruthless. And that's the thing, you know, we'll see like acts of, you know, terror being committed in the name of the rebellion

Dan: and yeah. And or then straight away gives you that. You know, feeling that this guy, is he a goodie?

Is he a badie? I mean, I know he is a goodie because I've watched

Sidey: So there's a thing of like, you know, whoever tells a story is, is where you position it, right? Mm-hmm. I mean the empire are still fucking ruthlessly evil, right? They are. But these are ultimately terrorists. Yeah. It's just that you are being told the terrorist story, so you kind of sign, but they are showing you here that people will [00:06:00] be killed to further the agenda of our Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah, and I think before we've met him, we have actually landed on, oh, the planet. Lamu where gin. So, is there as a young girl, she'll be the sort of character that the story is gonna be told through.

And her father Galen is living a kind of simple life, but then when a, I don't even know what this

Sidey: shit tie interceptor, I

Reegs: a tie, interceptor lands.

Dan: Huge, massive

Sidey: It's bigger than that, Dan. It's a large

Reegs: with a kind of white suited director, chronic, a really menacing Ben Mendelson.

Sidey: He's great at

this.

Reegs: He's fantastic and you know, obviously like Gaylen it's mad Mickelson.

He's try, he's like saying, oh, his wife's not around. Even though he is seen her and his kid's hiding. Obviously it's. Bad news. And he talks to him kind of civil civilly doesn't, he says something about, we're on the verge of greatness. We're this close to providing peace and security for the galaxy. And he says, oh, you're confusing.

Peace with terror. And he says, oh, you have to start somewhere, doesn't he? And he's [00:07:00] bringing him in. Basically. He's bringing him in. He brings the storm troopers out and he's bringing back

Dan: he is looking for leverage as well. He's looking for his daughter because it is only so much he can do to threaten his own life, which he doesn't value as much as,

Sidey: well. He knows. He knows what he can do.

What he can deliver for them means the death of a fucking shitload of people. Yeah. So he's out. Exactly. And they know that the only way to leverage. What he can do is by taking his family off him and probably killing them. Yeah. So he's trying to sta and we've seen there's a little hide hole where Jen can hide, do one, and there is a plan in place for her.

Reegs: Well, it's more like they've offered it. I think it's more like they would offer him a really high ranking position. You'd have all the frills of the, of the empire, but Galen doesn't want

Dan: He, he likes his simple gardening life. He

Sidey: is

Reegs: well, he doesn't wanna be responsible for creating a planet killing

Sidey: He's Oppenheimer, isn't he?

Reegs: Mm, exactly. So he's whisked off the daughter Gin, who is called Stardust by her dad, which will be important for plot reasons Later. [00:08:00] She's got this like force Crystal, and she's

sent

Sidey: it was it a ber crystal wasn't, wasn't it? Yeah.

Reegs: She's sent off into this like underground bunker thing underneath the rocks that they've prepared as a sort of escape place for her, where she'll later be picked up by.

So, Guerrera Forest a sort of militant terrorist who, who tell us more

Dan: Yeah. Who's, who's really as you say, he's he's a terrorist

Sidey: but they effectively introduce him as Darth Vader when we see him. He's, he's machine.

He's got the breathing thing like Darth Vader. They're showing us. This guy's

Reegs: Absolutely. Yeah. You see his metallic body and he's huffing RDO as we'll find out, which is jet fuel. Jet fighter fuel. So yeah.

Dan: Yeah, he is got that moth that just kind of retracts back into his

Sidey: It's like blue velvet, isn't it?

It's like Deni

Reegs: In and andor you, there's a whole big bit about him, like going to the behind starships and like breathing it

Dan: all. Well, I, I tell you what, completely unrelated, but it's just made me think of it.

And we watched a film where the, the guy had to learn to love the whip. You remember that? And [00:09:00] he, he goes, you gotta love the whip. It was that. Vietnamese. He was in a, a torch. Tell me, remember this. It's not just me. It was, he goes, you gotta learn to love the whip. And it was like a torture thing.

He'd been whipped by these big ropes and everything. And,

Sidey: for the pod we

Dan: we did, what was it for? The pod

Sidey: Was it the tight, one of the gel ones?

Dan: It,

wasn't tie jet, it was this like it was a mid weeker. And I think of it all the time, every time I go into the plunge pool at the at the thing where it's so cold that you just,

Reegs: who is in it,

Dan: gotta learn to love the whip.

You've gotta learn to love the plunge pool. It

Sidey: It does ring a lot of bells when you say Love the whip.

Anyhow,

Dan: Anyway, I've, I've, I'll try and find it, but,

Sidey: we're getting to the, the crux of it is that they have taken Galen and he. Is of the mind that there's no way he can get out of this. But what he can do is put a a little self-destruct kind of mechanism that he can sow a seed for the rebels to be able [00:10:00] to,

Dan: and I just love the way they've used the backstory for this because everybody knows that

Reegs: well

they turned what was a stupid plot point in, in episode four into like a crucial plot point for this movie. 'cause like, oh, how could you destroy something so big with such a, you know? But then when you find out it was intentional, it adds a little layer

Dan: and you, and you realize the massive risk that they've gone to go and get these plans because of this, this small kind of tiny area target area that is at the very heart of the deaf star that can kill it all. And you just think that is so clever.

Yeah.

Sidey: So like we've seen in other stars movies, he sends a holographic recorded message with a, a pilot out to be intercepted, which saw Guerra's Crew Intercept. Yeah. Jeda. And when they see it. But there's some doubt about whether it's genuine. They, they dunno whether, obviously they dunno whether they can trust this guy 'cause he is officially empire.

Reegs: Oh, well, but they,

Sidey: they, they mind meld him

Reegs: Yeah. They introduced him to Borg Gullet. This like horrifying [00:11:00] squid mind

Sidey: He says, don't worry, it'll, it, it will read your mind and it will know if you're telling the truth, but you will lose your mind. You like, oh, okay. That's

Reegs: okay. What the fuck was all that about?

Sidey: like the witch trials. Like, we will find out if you're a witch. And if you are not, we're still, we're gonna kill you anyway.

Reegs: kill you anyway. And because this is all happening now 15 years later where an adult gin is in a prison facility being escorted and then rescued by the rebellion, who've heard the name Galen Urso and want her as a connection to him.

And it's a good little character introduction to probably. One of my favorite of several really good characters in this movie, but K two SO, the robot who's Yeah. Introduced taking her out with a clothes line saying, congratulations, you're being rescued.

Sidey: He apparently improvised quite a few of the lines in

Reegs: Yeah. Including the one

Sidey: it hits. When it hits. Yeah. You'll get another one if you don't do something to me. Yeah. So yeah, the, the, the plot

Reegs: she's taken off down to yin,

Sidey: Yeah. And, and told. We need you to like get your father back.

Reegs: So [00:12:00] Guerrera has got this pilot, we've heard about it, but we can't get to him because of history that will be expanded upon it and or a few years later.

Sidey: And so she's given one version of the plan, which is we need to get to your father. Yeah. And, or is given another version of the plan, which is kill that motherfucker as soon as you see him. Yeah. Which doesn't make a lot of sense because.

How does that, how

Reegs: By the, by the guy from sex education. Yeah. Yeah. He's really good in

Dan: With the information they had, I think it did make certain sense to, to them. 'cause they don't know that he's.

Reegs: yeah. They dunno where his sympathies are at this point. They think he's the architect of the death star. They're just like, kill him. Just get rid of him.

Sidey: We have, we have seen a few shots of the massive laser being put into place on the Death Star.

That's really cool. What is not cool, in my opinion. Is the PlayStation two like cut sequence of Peter Cushing being wedged back into

Reegs: practical effects would've been better, wouldn't it? If you're gonna bring the character

Sidey: bring it back, just leave the character out for me. It's just another one of those things where it's

Reegs: I liked it. I like, kind of like it, the, [00:13:00] the, not the, the implementation of it because I agree that the CGI just isn't there,

Sidey: probably is the implementation that irked me most. I hate aging. It looks shit. I hate this bringing people back. It looked to me, it looked like a video game bit. Yeah. Mendelson is great and he's having to act against a tennis sport.

I didn't like it. But anyway they do that.

There's some stuff going on. They are, we're gonna get a demonstration of the

Reegs: well first we've gotta get to Jeda because and, or, and K two. So, and gin head off there because

Sidey: oh, there's another callback,

Reegs: callback ber crystals are. There's a terrible, awful callback in the streets where they meet the fucking, I dunno what they're Yeah, those two guys from the bar in Star Wars. Hey, that sort of thing makes the universe feel really small when they do that. When this is, that's the opposite

Sidey: it should

1. There's no need.

Reegs: And.

Sidey: we do get, we get introduced. Yeah. Donny y Donny

Reegs: Donny N and

Sidey: steals the movie

Reegs: He's brilliant. This guy. Yeah. He's a blind Jedi monk.

Sidey: I'm the blind thing was his idea. Yeah. I'm one [00:14:00] with the force. The

Reegs: forces with me.

Sidey: Yeah. That's his mantra. He is one of the guardians

Reegs: of the wills,

Sidey: which I dunno if that was a new thing brought into the law in this

Reegs: It was the original title of Star Wars was something like, something to do with the wills. And it's been in in Lucas's mind

Sidey: clearly like, he's force sensitive. But he's not a Jedi. No, he's not wielding a

Reegs: sort of attuned to the force. He can.

Sidey: been in some, some like crouching tiger shit. Yeah. He beats up, I don't know, a dozen storm Dr.

With a stick basically. Yeah. It's great. And his mate

Reegs: comedy as well with K two sso where he is pretending to like, you know, the classic Oh, pretending to take prisoners.

I'm taking prisoners to imprison them.

Dan: Sorry just to interrupt, I'm not going mad. Rolling Thunder.

Reegs: Oh. Learn to love the whip.

Dan: Learn to love the whip.

Sidey: Yes,

Reegs: I do remember.

They have

Sidey: a Donny End's mate has got like a, some massive gun and he's just a real

Reegs: bays. I've got a Lego figure of him somewhere.

And anyway, there's a big [00:15:00] ruckus, big fight. It's really cool because a lot of it is shot. There's no like wipes in the traditional sort of way of Star Wars being shot.

Sidey: I hate that.

Reegs: And it's quite a sort of authentic war movie at points with like lots of gorilla tactics and that sort of thing. So they have like a street battle and eventually.

Sidey: that many gorillas.

Reegs: Well, it takes only one to and a hundred men, doesn't and they're eventually whisked away to Saul Guerra's place because that's the extremists that are fighting storm of Jeda.

Dan: It, it sounds a little like a, a really great restaurant, doesn't it?

Sol Gures. Yeah. It sounds like you could go there for a nice feed and sold just Yeah. I'll, I'll

Reegs: Oh, a lovely bore gullet.

Dan: Yeah. But its not,

Reegs: yeah, it's not, it's a place where gin will find out a message from her father and blah, blah, blah. She'll confirm it and all this sort of stuff.

Dan: So, but just as like a, a, the, the city is blown up and they have to escape through.

Sidey: Yeah. We get a little demo of the death side, don't we? It's the first,

Reegs: Well, Kranks got real [00:16:00] problems at work and later he's gonna go and complain to the to Lord Vader, basically on an HR thing, which is why Vader's pissed off. But he's got a kind of employee thing going on with moth Tarkin who kind of wants to, he's given him shit, but also wants to take the credit.

We've all fucking been there with bosses.

Dan: and yeah, you're right. It is very HR e And as he goes in to see one of the directors who's his immediate line manager, which is Lord, Lord Vader.

Lord Vader just goes full asshole on him. Really

Sidey: He's a great line though. Great line. As he force jokes him.

Reegs: No, I hated that.

Sidey: It's

Reegs: What? So he's like, not only he's sitting in his fucking lava

Sidey: lolling to himself.

Reegs: send out puns, like I don't

Sidey: Careful

not to choke on your ambition.

Reegs: I, I don't know.

Sidey: And then I just imagine him chuckling to

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: his chair, texting his mates. Wouldn't believe what I said

Dan: should have been there. Yeah.

Reegs: also. I think they made his neck look a bit wide and James l Jones's voice has kind of gone by this point.

So, but anyway [00:17:00] yeah, that's happened. J has been blown up. They're off now on a mission to Ew to find Gaylen himself.

Dan: Jeda is also the name of grandpa in Czech.

Yeah.

There you go. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. And or he gets an opportunity to execute like Sniper, they, they're like, oh, this rifle's out in Sniper Sniper configuration. Yeah. He gets a chance to take, get Abbey bottles that and they do manage to well, I know they get, they get blown up by, actually it's, it's rebel fire that, takes him out in the end. It's a, it's a, a bomb on the sort of gangway where he stood in a confrontation he gets executed, but not before. Jen's able to speak to him one last time. Yeah. And they have that sort of moment

Reegs: He

says something about, I have so much to talk to you about, and then

Sidey: But I can't, 'cause I'm about to snuff it.

And it just basically builds towards the big confrontation. Where we get down to like, this felt like sort of familiar because it's about shield generator Yeah. And transmitting stuff.

Dan: and we are about an hour, we are about an hour in now [00:18:00] into the movie. How are you feeling it? Are you, you enjoying this? 'cause you've seen this before? I take it. So I

Sidey: I saw it, the, the Riggs and I went cinema to see this. Yeah. Way by. Really liked it then. Really liked it now. But watching it again this time I'm like, this movie's too long. It's, there's a lot of flab. I think a lot of stuff could be trimmed.

Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's two hours. 15. This should be a, this should be a 90 minute

Dan: I kind, of liked it.

I I

Sidey: oh, I still liked it, but you could make

Dan: the time. But I, you know, I just wanted more. I,

Reegs: I don't wanna give away, 'cause I do have a specific take on this.

I do really like this movie, but I also have a specific

Dan: Okay. Right. We'll, we will wait for the end for that.

Sidey: Well, I'm sitting there waiting to see more of Donny Yen doing his thing. You know, who's gonna do what? There's gonna, you know, they have to get they

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Reegs: dozen at first, so they go back to yin and the rebels are all a bit like, no, we can't do anything.

And I didn't really, under, this was just a lot of words in the plot about the rebels not wanting to do stuff, and maybe we should, maybe we shouldn't. And then saying, no, we shouldn't. And then being pleased when people do like what? I don't. but, so [00:19:00] anyway, gin assembles. Yeah, we have, yeah. And

Dan: not much.

Reegs: gin assembles.

Well, there's a good beak that comes here because gin assembles a little team. She gives a speech and she's like, right, I'm going off to sc if to go and get the Death Star plans. That's where they are. In this fucking

Dan: gotta have hope. Rebellions

Reegs: have Hope Rebellion. So they get a little.

Dan: on hope,

Reegs: You know, little blockade of men, that's not even the word, but a little brocade brigade. Battalion. Battalion. A small number of men who, like people who died at Jeda, you know, their relations. And the robot. He's like, he says to her, I'm coming to. And then there's a beat. And then he is like, Cassian told me I had to,

Dan: yeah, he,

Reegs: it's so many good lines, so

Dan: great lines. Just his comic timing is, is fantastic. And

Reegs: so they end up with the monk and all the pilot who's like lost his mind, but now kind of slowly getting its back and they fuck off to Scar if with this stolen cruiser that they had, that they [00:20:00] took from ew.

When they visited Galen there so that they can get in behind the shield and land on Scarif.

And this sets up the last, like, 45 minutes of the

Sidey: it's quite a long sequence. The battle in the

Dan: it is a, a long sequence, but all the time having known the result of them getting the plans and obviously Luke. Being able to go through and kill the death star.

Shoot a spoiler alert 77 years ago,

Sidey: Case anyone? Yeah. Small like indie, indie movie that no one might have

Dan: yeah. But. Each person that that passes away or gives their life or, or whatever you realize the huge sacrifice they, they

Sidey: you, you're watching it. Will anyone make it out?

Not

Reegs: you pretty much know. Most are not gonna because they're not mentioned. Right. You might and you think, oh, maybe they'll let these one or two go off.

But no, they do fully dirty, doesn't it? And kill everyone, don't

Sidey: We used to joke when we were talking about stuff that someone else hadn't seen. They all

Reegs: They all

Sidey: in this one. The spoiler earth. They all die.

Dan: They, they all die.

Reegs: And,

there are some good stakes. I mean, it sets up a [00:21:00] kind of another kind of gorilla battle this time.

You know, you haven't seen Star Wars on a tropical beach but now you have and it starts with like, like explosions on the surface. They've gotta get to the tower, steal the data whilst they create mayhem.

Sidey: Yeah. The jeopardy. The jeopardy is that they, they, they've got a small rebel fleet. There's an enormous obviously empire.

They're, they're way outgunned, outnumbered, and they have to get a shield down.

Dan: they've got is the element

Reegs: And obviously Jersey Telecom are doing the the 5G because like they have to get really fucking close to it. Like it has to go through this

Dan: the roads are up. I mean, every route is, is there's building works on Nobody's ready to just roll out.

Sidey: Can we get the shield down and can they retrieve the plans to then broadcast and all? That's, that's the the thing. Yeah. Everyone else on the ground is just trying to like, keep everyone at bay.

Yeah. So that, that

Reegs: And you get ATA walking through it all and loads of crazy mayhem and core characters and you get chi iwi like having to do this like force walk [00:22:00] across the battlefield.

Like just the force guiding him. All sorts of

Dan: And you're waiting for everybody to say new, this was a one way trip, wasn't gonna make it.

Back, you know, everybody is just ready for the absolute hero sacrifice for the greater

Sidey: just retrieving the little hard drive that has the plans on is like,

Reegs: well, that, that

Sidey: overly convoluted

that

Reegs: does for the comedy robot, doesn't it?

He dies during that sequence and you're like, oh, fuck. If you're getting rid of him, like anybody

Dan: can The indestructible comedy robot Yeah.

Than anybody's up for games. And, and sure enough, they are. And it goes right down to the, the final scene where,

Sidey: well, the, even the fucking, the satellite that broadcast, I think i's calling bullshit on this. I'm like, it doesn't have to be pointing

Reegs: directly. Yes, I know. Yeah. Has to be pointing at it. Amazing.

Sidey: So she has to realign the satellite that's pointing up into the sky It's literally like line to line like a fucking can with some string and

Reegs: Oh, but you do get

Dan: entire staff fleet. Is kind of hyper [00:23:00] spaced above

Sidey: Trek law here?

Dan: Yeah. Well, you know, it's same sort There's a Stargate, is there, I

Reegs: dunno. It is a huge battle raging everywhere. They eventually get the transmission out as the death star arrives and there's a big confrontation with Renick and all that stuff.

I think Renick, he's shot, isn't he? And the death Star is literally pointing its laser down at him. Like he's

Dan: the target.

Reegs: Yeah.

Because they've

Sidey: Boo. You get, you get the noise boo as the lever gets

Reegs: Yeah. And those poor bastards who have to be in there with the laser as it

Sidey: up?

Reegs: up, like, can I have like a lead gown or something?

Sidey: but when, when we just see they, we get the good news, you get the, what are those guys called?

The prawn guys.

Reegs: The calamari.

Sidey: they're like, oh, transmission received, and then you just get gin and And

Dan: and or.

Sidey: And or just they just hug. I thought they might fuck, but they just

Dan: they don't even have

Sidey: They don't even have, and you just see that, you just see it coming. We've seen it at

Reegs: Oh, well, they're complete lack of romantic. There's not really a romantic connection between them. And [00:24:00] that is completely explained in the TV series because of Bix and,

Sidey: But we see, we've seen it in Jeddo, we've seen what happens when this laser hits, it's just a, a tsunami of debris is about to hit them and it's like a massive, massive nuke and they are

Dan: yeah. And

Reegs: and they fired it because Tarkin is trying to take out the tower before the plans are transmitted, but they're too late and they get 'em

Sidey: so really, Tarkin fucked it.

Reegs: Yeah, well, I dunno, they'll do the fucking HR inquiry later, won't they?

But it does lead up to what still gives me an enormous nerd bonus sequence where they, they get the, like Walkman thing that's got the, the information, the plans of the death star. And you see the terror on these guys' faces as they have to run it through the corridors of the spacecraft. And then in the

Dan: Vader,

Reegs: just the red light saber appears, oh my God, I'm nearly jerking off now.

And he's just dispatch. It's like it's only about two minutes, isn't it? And he just dispatches like

Sidey: I think he's more vicious in this than he was in all of the films.

Yeah. He just. Pin someone [00:25:00] to the ceiling and it fucking cuts him half as he was fired. Yeah.

Dan: And he must know then that the plans have left and he's

Reegs: not Well this is now minutes before episode four is about to start

Sidey: Yeah. He know he's, he's seen it. They. Hand the thing to someone in a white gown with a hood and she turns around and what is it?

Oh, fuck off. Yeah. It's really

Dan: But what he doesn't know

Sidey: then, yeah, that would've been straight into the

Reegs: the cor Well, that's the Corvette that they

Sidey: put it into the R two unit and blah.

So

Dan: And,

Reegs: So when he goes

Dan: is the weak point, though he doesn't know where it is.

He knows that there may be some kind of weakness and they've got it, but he doesn't know what to

Sidey: You're a part of a rebel alliance and a

Reegs: Yeah.

So

Sidey: the, the num, the credits come up with a proper theme tune. I really hated the

Dan: I didn't, I didn't hate any of it. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was one of my favorite star Wars movies, to be

Sidey: honest, outside of the original trilogy, when this was, this was the first new thing that had come out.

Outside of the original Skywalker Saga, let's say. Yeah. I thought this was [00:26:00] great. Yeah, it's too long in my opinion. There's some stuff they could trim out of it easily. Didn't like the score, but I really, really enjoyed it.

Dan: It was, yeah, for me it was, I mean, as maybe not one of the full on originator originators that's,

Sidey: of those, that's

Dan: word of that really loved Star Wars and got into it over time.

This was, I just thought epic. It just. Up the stakes of all the other films that I'd seen. And it just gave them more, it made them better because of the sacrifice that was made in this film by the, the, and watching and or as well I can't wait till they get the, the Mandalorian, although I think that was maybe

Sidey: right. So the thing is before, but it, it had to be good because it, it doesn't actually need to exist at all.

Right.

And it was good. Yeah. So that was fine. But there's other stuff that they done. I think it just doesn't

Dan: But I think there's so much potential in these worlds to build the worlds, really, and just to build the.

You can have loads of [00:27:00] different stories this, although this is one of the biggest

Sidey: not just,

Reegs: and that is my criticism. So I really love this movie. I enjoyed it. I, I've seen it numerous times, you know, four or five times, and I watched it again yesterday. Absolutely loved it. And but the problem is, is that it basic, it is sort of empty calories because it kind of gives you, here's a storm trooper, but now he's wearing black.

Here's an atta, but it's on a beach. It's all the stuff that

Sidey: well, I was gonna say is every skin, every new Star Wars thing has a different variant of a storm Trooper.

Reegs: Yeah. And it's like all tied. It is like, it's just kind of giving you that stuff back. It's still tied into a story that you already know and love. It's not, they didn't take any chances and it sort of convinced the Disney to kind of go down a path of tying.

Everything back into the main universe, and it just seems ridiculous to me to make it that small when it could be so enormous and spans such a long time, and they could have done something different. But now that's why the Force Awakens and all of its stuff was like, it was because we liked this stuff and we just wanted to have it again.

Dan: I, I was [00:28:00] surprised Pete didn't like this

Reegs: Did he not

Sidey: hated it. Absolutely hated it. Yeah. Hated this. Yeah.

Cris: No, he said he loved it.

Sidey: Pure trolling. But Chris, as a lover of science fiction, how did you feel about this?

Cris: This is the second worst film I've ever seen in my life.

Sidey: behind the pian. Dynamite. Yeah.

Cris: I said to Pete today, he's, ah, fuck off. I really love it. The reason being, I've never watched any Star Wars movie in my

Reegs: life.

Cris: I'm gonna, and you're gonna have to let me finish because I shut up for the whole thing. You spoke for 45 minutes.

You're gonna have to let

Sidey: doesn't say 45.

Reegs: is he getting aggressive and pointing at

Cris: every time I try to say something. You fucking nerds

Sidey: We were nerding out. We were nerding out.

Cris: Yeah, I don't care. You have to

Sidey: let go and speak, speak,

Reegs: Alright. Alright.

Cris: Because for someone that has never seen this kind of genre of Star Wars, any universe, fuck all this universe.

I've never seen any, anything of it. I don't understand. I really don't understand. I've read about it and they said the acting was exceptional. The acting was shit. I, I [00:29:00] don't understand why the acting was so good. I've never seen Forrest Whitaker in a worse movie than this ever in my life. He's not done a worse movie than this.

He just doesn't, doesn't fit the way he looks like a half robot person. The guy that's the Cassius, or whatever his name is,

he can't even speak English. You do know that he's dubbed over Spanish. The way he speaks.

think

Yeah. He doesn't speak English the way he sounds. That is a dubbed over someone else speaks the language because he can't speak English properly.

So, and you can hear that in, in the movie.

Sidey: That's okay.

Cris: I

just, I stopped watching when he had the chance to kill Max Mickelson and he didn't. And I was, this is, I need to go to sleep. This is boring. It's bollocks. So honestly. And I hope I don't defend all the

Sidey: No, no one's

Cris: the internet. Not you,

Sidey: but oh, they, who cares about them?

Cris: This is shocking and that's why I stopped listening to you halfway [00:30:00] through. It just, there's no point. There is no point. The storm troopers, the black troopers, the,

Sidey: I used to have a storm trooper helmet.

Cris: I don't doubt it. I'm surprised you don't have the helmet and the whole thing to whack in it.

I just, again, this is after Napoleon Dynamite, which is atrocious. This is the worst thing I've ever seen.

Sidey: The point time is 10 outta 10. I do think that Ro Ker was

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Really?

Reegs: He's a bit of

Sidey: a Yeah. For such a big star. Yeah. And a like an Oscar. Oscar winning. He had like a proper gravitas. He's probably 10 minutes of content.

Reegs: I think he's a character that was introduced in the Clone Wars,

Sidey: What there was was a shitload of reshoots.

There was a very problematic production and there was. So there was a trailer, the think the first two trailers, nothing in those first two trailers was in a theatrical release. Yeah. 'Cause there was a lot of reshoots.

Reegs: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a bit of misdirection as well. 'cause remember there was that shot of where the Ty fire came up

Sidey: So split. But I really like this.

Cris: Strong recommend, by the

Reegs: strong recommend. [00:31:00] Yeah.