Ballad of a Small Player & Gardens

Ballad of a Small Player
Dan:  Intro. And I'm Dan Low.
Cris: And
Sidey: Simon has left us high and dry, hasn't
Dan: Yeah, he has
Sidey: some sort of work priority meaning that he is not here.
Cris: Yeah. He went South Hampton as well.
Yeah,
Dan: Yeah, unbelievable. He's such a worker.
Sidey: When you're the, the top of the tree, like he
Cris: you're the top dog. Yeah.
Dan: You've
Sidey: the big boss, man,
Dan: You've gotta go to Southampton.
Sidey: drop everything and go.
Cris: Yeah.
Dan: We miss you Cy
Cris: Dearly, we miss you dearly. Although we have seen him on Friday.
Dan: We did. He was in the Mancave a rare night out. Yeah.
Cris: Yeah.
And in the pub.
Dan: Yeah, he was in the pub. He had loads of Gary's with him. He had loads of
Sidey: Was he off the hook?
Dan: He was off the hook. He had, I dunno how many girls just in toe around him and everything. And he was
Cris: Yeah. The entourage. That's what he does normally.
Dan: He
Sidey: I think he would want us to caveat that by saying it's not true.
Dan: He probably would. Yeah. It's not true.
Cris: he
had his mate, Scott,
with him
Dan: and, he was definitely but he had  at least two cups of tea.
Cris: Yes. Yeah. I think I pro, I know I had half a glass of wine and I went home.
Dan: I had the other half.
Sidey: sounds like an absolute tear up. Yeah,
Dan: it was. Yeah, it was. Madness.
Madness. But he has left us which is why we're just mumbling and bumbling here.
Cris: The, the usual, this is Bad Dad film review and these are the dads.
Dan: Yeah.
Sidey: things that are gonna happen is we're gonna talk about film. Yeah. We've got top five about gardens.
Cris: Yeah.
Dan: Nice.
Sidey: give away plot spoilers. And we do swear. We
Dan: We do. And I'm rigged. Hello.
Sidey: yes. Now is the chance to press the objector button if you don't want to hear any of that content.
Dan: or
Sidey: let's press on. Dan, be
Yeah. Did you, sorry, before I start walking. Football update. We didn't have a game. I know that, that's why people, that's why they tune in these days. Sorry about that. But we have got a game on Mother's Day. let you know
Dan: Perfectly timed. Yeah.
Sidey: Did you watch anything, Daniel, apart from the homework?
Dan: I did. Let's circle back  while I remember what
Sidey: Sounds like te That sounds like jargon talk. Yeah. Circling back,
Dan: we ah, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Sidey: Did you see that, that that struck a nerve on on
Dan: disco? I imagine it did.
Yeah.
Sidey: Oh, I've got something else going on. Discord, I'll tell you all about it in a minute.
Disco
Dan: Cordio
Sidey: we had, I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm
Dan: sure.
I'm
Sidey: I thought that Darren had commented about, but Brey got in touch to say that last week was very triggering episodes. Yeah. Because she sat in the office hearing someone say, let's align on the logic. And then she put a gif of Adam Sonner saying a sudden, kill me please.
And Mel, just following up on your thing about Elvis, is she saw that movie last week and it was fucking excellent.
Dan: Thanks
Sidey: strong recommend from Mel.
Dan: I'm looking forward to seeing that. I align with that logic.
Cris: Yeah. Perfect.
Sidey: What about you Christian?
Cris: What? Have I watched
Sidey: anything?
Yeah.
Cris: Yes, I have watched it took me about two weeks to finish it, but I watched that series on Netflix, his and hers with John Bethal.  Is
Sidey: is the name, right? Yeah.
Cris: With him, and I can't remember her name. I think she's British.
She was in one of the Creeds. She's black lady. Quite a good actress, to
Sidey: is that not
Cris: Tessa something?
Tessa
Dan: Sanderson?
Sidey: No, Thompson. Tessa Thompson.
Cris: Yeah, that's her. Yeah. Her and John or Pal. And it's like a police cop thriller in the woods of Atlanta. We're somewhere in, in Georgia, I dunno.
And it's that, to be fair, by the last episode I was me now.
Sidey: not going into season two.
Cris: Definitely not. But it provided the end. I know who killed all these women and it's quite interesting. It's seven, six episodes. So for me, yes. Six episodes. So for me that's spot on.
It took me two weeks to watch it and I don't know if I've said this before, I did watch that House of Guinness.
Dan: Okay.
Sidey: I can't be bothered with that,
Cris: is the series as well. Again, I like the costumes and I that kind of period and whatever.
Yeah. Yeah. Similar to that I've not watched Peaky Blinders, but for me, as you are well aware, it attracts me.
The limited series. Yeah. Yeah. If it's
Sidey: that, yeah. Yeah. One and done.
Cris: but the thing is with the House of Guinness is definitely geared up for the second season, whereas with this one,
Sidey: but it's even worse on Netflix. 'cause what they will do is they will do that, they'll plan for second series or the third series or fourth series, but if numbers drop off, they just kill it.
So it's some, so even if you watch them all, it might not even end properly. Oh. So that's really fucking annoying. They just don't, they won't put any more money into it. They've just fucking ruthless about that sort of stuff. Yeah.
Cris: Yeah. And I think that's it. I don't think I watched anything else.
Dan: I do remember some low hanging fruit now.
I'm circled back to me. I watched Young Sherlock, which is Guy Richie. A guy Richie
Cris: seen that advertised. Yeah. It is
Sidey: did you like it
Dan: the first episode of that. I quite liked it, I must say. Yeah. We weren't straight into the next episode afterwards, like one was enough, but I will watch another one.
It's, I think it's Hero  Tiffin Fines, which I believe is Ralph Fines.
Yeah.
Sidey: Hero Tiffin
Cris: Fines.
Dan: And I'm not a hundred percent sure it is anything to do with Ralph Fines, but I think somebody, it might have been ions as well. And I just got the feeling that it might be Jeremy Iron's
Sidey: Just a whole nepo
Dan: and yeah. And
I
watched the first episode and. Actually me and the Mrs watched it and we both enjoyed it. I think she did, but she was sat behind me and she sometimes closes her eyes and just nods along. But I like a Sherlock and this was another take on it. He teams up with Morty at school and they're kind of pals for a bit, which is an interesting
Sidey: it's a different take dynamic
Dan: on it.
Yeah.
Sidey: On it. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, cool. I don't think I watched anything other than my sort of
collection of YouTube stuff.
Yeah. No extra movies, I don't think. And then all weekend I got I, I got a, I  built myself, my own AI chatbot.
Dan: Doing to do what?
Sidey: whatever I wanted to do. No
Dan: turn up to work for you?
Sidey: No, but I could in theory get it to do some of my work. Yeah.
Dan: Can you build me one
Sidey: probably, yeah. It's got nothing to do with entertainment or movies.
So let's move on. We're gonna talk about top five gardens. You ready?
Cris: I
hope so. I can't guarantee, but
Sidey: are you a keen, are you a keen gardener Christian?
Cris: Do you know what? I have discovered that, I like gardening. I have to be in the mood and I have to be I like it. I wouldn't go and be in the, I don't have a garden. We have a balcony, which is fairly big and it's got plants and,
Sidey: Yeah.
Cris: like to, I like every year to have cherry tomatoes, raspberries.
Yeah. Stuff that is fairly easy to grow. You just put them there
Sidey: To, I only like to grow stuff if I'm gonna get something back in return.
Cris: Yeah. We've got an olive tree, which is not gonna make any olives. And a few other kind of just like decorative  bushes kind of things. And this year I'm gonna have some British invasive Ivy.
Sidey: Dan, do you like a decorative bush?
Dan: I do a decorative bush.
Sidey: You've got quite,
a, you've got quite a mature garden out there
Dan: yeah. Having worked in gardens and on farms for a good few years, I must admit, I, it, though it taught me some things and I learned some stuff I've tended not to then get involved quite as much because I feel like I've done my bit.
I do enjoy I like growing plants to eat. Yeah. Yeah. I like edible
Sidey: Yeah. as much as, yeah.
Dan: Any others to be honest, but a little bit of color around the the spring and
Sidey: for the bees
summer.
Dan: something for the bees. Yeah, like all that and
Cris: it's the same. We've got some lavender, some
Sidey: you know what lavender's good for?
Cris: No.
Sidey: Keeps mossies away, is it? Yeah. Okay.
Cris: We got a couple of these ones and the, some, is it? Orano and all
Sidey: these oregano. Yeah.
Cris: All these other kind of  herbs.
Sidey: Herbs.
Dan: I always find, I, with herbs, I always find I don't have enough time.
Yeah.
There we go.
Cris: That is the one.
Dan: So we are talking about films now with garden
Sidey: I've got films, TVs songs and video games. If you want to
Dan: You're,
Sidey: I'm spreading my net wider than that.
Dan: You've got the beat. Go for it.
Sidey: Wow. Okay. Can I have garden gnomes?
Really? technically
Cris: Yeah. They're, they grow in garden.
They well grow. They don't really grow. They reside in
Sidey: In the movie Amali, there's a gnome and it goes on a well tour and it gets Polaroid all, all around the world, which are like, God, we've got quite a few, I wouldn't say gnomes, but we've got other garden ornaments.
Got hedgehog dog. We did have a snail, but that's disintegrated. We've got a deer with glasses on.
Cris: Okay.
Sidey: Okay. Yeah, we've got a few, I've got a wire sort of chicken but don't actually have a  gnome. I feel like they're too ubiquitous.
Cris: a Budd?
Sidey: No,
Cris: They're quite common as well. No,
Sidey: Aren't, yeah.
We've got, like, when you go to ransoms there's various different ones and you can get like Daph Vader and stuff like that, but I like 'em to be more animal based. Yeah.
Cris: Yeah. If it's a garden you
Dan: Yeah. Years ago, and it is been done to death now, but I, the first time I'd heard it was back in the late nineties, I was in Cambodia and this guy was traveling with a g No.
That he had stolen from a garden,
Sidey: just sending pictures back
Dan: And he was sending pictures back and he'd even he put him in all kinds of situations because back in those days, you could get guns in Cambodia and go to shooting rangers. So he had him there. He had him in various nightclubs in Thailand and things this known.
And he was sending pictures back to this random person he'd never met. He'd painted him a little bit to give him a tan and everything. And he showed me the Nome that he was gonna go put back in the garden when he got back one, one day in a few months time. Tickled me.  Yeah.
Yeah. Nice. That
Cris: I've got, we, I think we did it for the pod, the Miss Peregrine's special
Sidey: Home for the special
Cris: home for the special needs that had a garden. Yeah. And you went through a hedge to get into the house.
And the outside was the war and inside was the same day repeating or something like that.
I'm pretty sure that's
Sidey: it
Cris: day was going. And the garden was really nice and had all sorts of special children. Can I have that
Sidey: can I have that? You can the, if you just reminded me of a Simpsons one going through the hedge is the moment where Homer backs away
Cris: Yeah, that's the meme
Sidey: T 1000 and you can even get like a Christmas ornament to go on the tree of him.
Cris: Just halfway
Sidey: a tree. So there is literally a Simpsons for everything. I've got blue velvet, we did that for the
Dan: Blue velvet
Sidey: you remember? That starts off with the garden scene. It's like David Lynch right there, the white picket fence. And then what goes on behind the, some carlock finds the  severed ear right in the garden there.
And then it ends I think with the guy does he have a heart attack and he falls onto the garden floor and then the camera goes further, like further down through the grass and it's all like millions of Beatles scurrying around and it's all like really creepy and
Dan: Yeah. He
did another one, David Lynch the lawnmower, one
Sidey: straight story. Yeah. Yeah.
Dan: which obviously featured gardens as well. Talked about Edible gardens. You don't get much more edible than Willy Wonka's
Sidey: oh yeah. chocolate Yeah.
Dan: he's got
Sidey: this is the Gene Wilder version.
Dan: Yeah. He's got, a chocolate river. He is got candy, flowers and boiled
Sidey: dildos,
Cris: dilly
Dan: boats, sweets and things.
And yeah, it was fantastic. We all, you could eat everything, couldn't you? You could eat the big mushrooms there and the leaves and gene Wilder was just. Fantastic. Who think, who's done that, that role now? You've had
Johnny Depp and Timothy
Sidey: Shaima. I didn't like that one.
Dan: No. I didn't like any of  them apart
Sidey: from he upset a load of people the weekend. Did you see that?
He said ballet and opera is shy and no one cares about it. And everyone who cares about ballet and opera with up arms,
Dan: but full respects for those people that do like it, no disrespect, you try to road back a little
Sidey: bit. Yeah. It's fuck, what have I said?
Dan: it's already around the world.
And he's taken shots that he doesn't need to take.
Cris: Yeah. To be fair I don't wanna defend him, but that's his opinion.
He's entitled to it.
Sidey: No, I don't think he is. I don't think he's
Dan: I
Sidey: to have an opinion about anything allowed.
Dan: allowed to
Cris: Yeah, but why is he not allowed to say stuff and just, yeah, that's his opinion. He can be wrong, but
Sidey: I think. Yeah. No, I'm just joking. I think he is wrong, but it's, yeah, again, he's That's okay. Yeah.
Cris: I like the garden in a film that we watched and we all loved, especially for the penis content, was saltburn.
Sidey: Oh yeah.
Cris: And Did you
Dan: not?
no, it was away that week.
Cris: Oh yeah. You need to wash that. That's good. I
Sidey: do You see a lot of dick.
A lot of dick.
Cris: And it's quite  substantial. Yeah. But also the gardens
Sidey: yeah. Very nice.
Cris: Very nice property. And you can see there's quite a few scenes in the gardens owned in different areas of the garden as well because it's a big property.
There's the young lady watch that she fingers herself and then he goes down on her while she was on her period. And there is also the scene when there's sunbathing of the pool and he's trying to, and she tells him that he had another toy friend and
Dan: a boyfriend.
Cris: Yeah, because
Dan: a boyfriend,
Cris: guy, what's his name?
The sexiest man alive.
Sidey: Jacob, ed Lordie.
Cris: Yes. He brought this guy as a, as each summer he brings a friend over to stay over and when if someone touches his sister, that's it. It's game over. And anyway,
Sidey: a lot of rumor is about him and Margot
Cris: they're in that movie together now and they are both very,
Sidey: Margot's husband.
And she's a married woman, but,
Cris: Oh, is she? Okay. I don't, I  dunno,
Sidey: yeah. Anyway, look, I'm not here to spell rumor. What about, did, were you around in the pod when we did Midsummer?
Dan: I was, I'm still haunted by
Sidey: Yeah,
Cris: that the Danish thing? Is that the
Dan: It's Scandal. Yeah.
Sidey: It's Sweden. It's a place, it's a raw Swedish area.
There's one bit where they're taking acid and she's looking at her hand and it's like moving in and out of the
and
Dan: is into a full sense of
Sidey: and there's all she, she's the midsummer queen. She gets all the floral wreaths and all the flowery dresses on all that. And it all takes place.
It's more rural than, it's like specifically someone's garden, but it is out, okay. In a rural area and like Absolutely, like horrendously brutal violence.
Cris: Was that some like a terrorist attack where someone just machine guns everyone? Is that
Sidey: one? No. This is a, this is like a big Swedish commune where they euthanize, they voluntary, voluntarily euthanize all the old people, so you get to a certain age and it is a privilege.
They don't see it as a. Some sort of barbaric act. They're like, Sam, we've had a great life. Boom. We've got to, I don't know, let's say 75. So the, they,  it's her and her boyfriend and two other people, two or three other people. And they don't fully know, but they don't know at all what's gonna happen.
And the first time you get there's all sorts of tapestries of stuff, but it's like crudely, sewn and you like, there's a bear and you almost all that.
Dan: And
Sidey: first one that they see is there, there's this big dinner out in the garden, or everyone's sitting at big, long tables.
And
then these, the two it looks like the matriarch and the patriarch of the group get up and they go up a hill and they go up to basically like a cliff and they still don't really know what's gonna happen and they just jump off and
Dan: And it,
Sidey: And it's so graphic. It's so graphic. And she, the lady dies, I think.
But the old man's still like groaning and they just get this enormous mallet just fucking crushes head, but it's explicitly shown not on the screen. And Florence PCE just said, fucking, freaking out. What the fuck are we doing? She's there. She's come along on this trip because their parents have just died.
So  it's enough trauma going on. Yeah. But it's all set in this like really idyllic sort of garden setting where it's fucking terrifying. It's not terrifying. It's just it just stays with you 'cause it's so fucking grim. Yeah. Madness.
Dan: I've got a cartoon garden spirited Away.
Sidey: Oh yeah.
Dan: And it's, what a wonderful film.
Sidey: move that to the side if you want, if you wanna keep looking over here. 'cause you keep missing there. There he,
Dan: Hi. Yeah, I've got a cartoon film Spirited Away. You can be pretty much blown away by this film. It's Oscar winner. Have you ever seen this, Chris?
Cris: I don't think
Dan: Oh, it's,
Sidey: it's a
Dan: the studio, OJE Lee did a collection of really amazingly animated films that seem to just connect with kids, adults, everyone.
They tell these kind of fantasy stories. The animation is so beautifully done and very
easy
to spot. It's Studio Ghibli.  After you've seen
Sidey: Yeah. The, some of the characters have a similar look, but in the age of, computer and digital animation, this is all still as far as I know, hand drawn by the main guy. Zaki is his
Dan: Yeah. Had Miyazaki. Okay. And when I was in Japan, which is nearly a year ago now, I was just thinking back to that earlier. That's gone quick. You can see all these characters are well represented within the culture still. There's shops and cartoons and printouts and posters and stuff of them all around still.
But the, this particular one, spirited Away, I think it was the first one that I'd seen of
Ghibli and it's got the most amazing kind of pictures of
Okay. Flowers. I'm showing Chris a photo here of one scene. And it's magical. You just can't believe the detail. And time and effort they've gone into every single scene when they're drawing flowers like every pet  is purposely made drawn.
It's a wonderful story, brilliant animation. And that's got loads of flowers to choose
Sidey: from.
Cris: Is that is that just one that day, is that spirited? You said
Dan: that spirited away.
Cris: Spirited away.
Sidey: Okay. I've got a little badge of the ghost. Yeah the white and black
Dan: Yeah.
Sidey: Demon ghost thing. I've got a, I've got that in Thailand when I was there at, on one of my shirts at work.
Dan: but they've got, no, they've got my neighbor,
Sidey: My neighbor
to
Dan: it a Toto? How is Moving? Castle is another one.
Sidey: They'll always tend to have quite an environmental message in them as well. Princess Mon is really all that about the forest and the forest
Dan: Kiki's delivery service.
Yeah. There, there's a ton of them.
Cris: And is this like a, an hour and a half or two hours or are they
Sidey: They could be about two hours, yeah.
Dan: Yeah. The red turtle is a fantastic one. I don't even think there's any words in that.
Cris: I'm pretty sure I've seen that actually. Is that the kid with a turtle?
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm
Dan: pretty sure I've seen, we've done it for the pod, I think.
Sidey: We did two tail. Yeah, we did tail week,
Dan: Yeah.
Sidey: Let's move on. 'cause taking age, Chris,
Cris: I've got a band Yeah. Called Savage Garden
Sidey: yes you have.
Cris: And they'll take me to the moon and back. Yeah. And I've got my, no.
Sidey: Okay. What about the home of the New York Knickerbockers,
Cris: the Madison Square Garden?
The Garden.
Sidey: I've been there. I watched Michael Jordan play for the Washington Wizards in his final year of playing in the NBA. Wow. He wore a pair of gray Jordan elevens that were fucking cool. And he was still the best player on the court. Yeah. Which he basically slated everyone else saying, why is the guy who's 40 something still the hungriest guy on the court?
So that was quite interesting. Was
Cris: there anyone good at the Knicks then?
As in,
Sidey: I think, yeah. Car Carmel. Was he okay? Yeah. Marshmallow was the, yeah. Couple of songs for you. A couple of Beatles songs.
Can you guess?
Dan: Here Octopus Garden
Sidey: like to be
Dan:  Under the Sea in
Sidey: also Lucy, in Lucy in the sky with diamonds, tangerine trees and
Dan: marmal marmalade skies Yeah.
Sidey: And then Joni Mitchell, big yellow taxi. They paved paradise. How fucking dare they?
Dan: Paradise.
Sidey: And then Van Morrison, I'm not a fan. In the Garden song by John Denver. Other stuff of that nature. And Scarborough Fair by Simon and Garf
Dan: Okay.
Sidey: Parley, sage, rosemary and thyme. Yeah.
Dan: Sound
Sidey: doesn't it?
And then I'll just put my no in after that.
Dan: Okay.
I will add in one more and it may as well be my nom. No, I'll add in one more and then I will then nom kill bill.
Volume one, the
Sidey: the blood spreader on there and
Dan: and she finally overcomes her. There's a couple of garden scenes in this. There's one where she's
Cris: and in volume
Dan: up, yeah. She's going up to the old kind of Chinese guy
Sidey: That's two.
Dan: Zen garden. Was that two?
Cris: Two? Yeah. Whereas she's fighting  Lucy Lu at the end.
Sidey: No, that's Lucy is one,
Dan: I'll just say. Kill
Sidey: Oishi.
Dan: Renny Shei is I think is in that
Cris: yeah, in the,
Dan: garden in the snow, which is
cool. Fine. That's one, Sorry.
That's okay, Chris. There's lots of, there's lots of good things in it. The Shining would be another one as well where we've got the maze.
There's a few great mazes in films actually.
Sidey: You're thinking goblet of Fire, Harry Potter.
Dan: a amazing but my nom will be because I do like an edible garden. It's gonna go back to Willy Wonka.
Sidey: Okay.
nice.
Cris: right. Okay.
Yeah. I have got a real garden in which you can also visit and I highly recommend it.
And I've been twice and is the garden of Si.
Sidey: right at
Cris: At the palace of Si
Dan: si, right?
Cris: and you can cycle through the gardens. You hire a bike and because if you walk, it takes you two days because it's that vast.
Dan: Which part of Barcelona is that?
Sidey: Sorry.
Dan: have we got a Hornet in the house?
Sidey: It's a big fucker.
Cris: It's a big one.
Is it a  Charlotte Hornet?
Dan: We may not make it out of this pod.
Sidey: Who is the point guard for He was small. Six foot guy.
Dan: Spam.
Cris: Now
Sidey: it
Dan: Yeah. Was it
Cris: anyway, the garden of Si.
It has been the backdrop for iconic films for over 200 films
since
1896. The best and the Most,
Sidey: Some dar stuff
Cris: Marie Antoinette, yeah.
By Sophia Coppola in 2006. Little Chaos directed by Alan Rickman. Nice.
Dan: Oh, Rick is,
Sidey: Like him
Cris: dangers, liaisons
Yeah. Midnight in Paris
Sidey: Oh wait.
Dan: Oh
Cris: and Jefferson in Paris and the Royal Exchange.
Anyway, that, and also I would, if anyone wants to visit I don't have any skin in the game, but honestly if you ever decide to visit the palace and the gardens, the palace is amazing.
It's really nice and lots of history and all that, but the gardens are
Sidey: Really gardening.
Cris: And that's  my norm.
Sidey: Do you like topiary?
Dan: Remind me what it is.
Sidey: Shaping bushes into.
Cris: penises.
Sidey: Yeah. 'cause I was thinking of, this is my norm, but I was thinking of Edward Scissor hands, who
Dan: Of course.
Yeah.
Sidey: course. Dead quit with his scis hands. But my norm is going to be the Godfather. Have you seen that? Came out in 19 7 2. Oh, okay. Talking so he's the big fucking, he's the godfather. He's the big man. He is all powerful. But he snuffs it with his grandson in his tomato plants
Dan: tomatoes or olives? Yeah,
Sidey: it was tomatoes. He is got that old school bug sprayer and he just he just just
Dan: What a way to go. Yeah.
Sidey: But he is with his family and,
Dan: Yeah. That's it.
Cris: Tomatoes
Sidey: Yeah.
Dan: it's,
Sidey: of tomatoes.
Dan: Not gunned down in the
street,
Sidey: was gunned down earlier, but
Dan: was, yeah. But he survived all that and,
Sidey: to die at home. That's how people want to go, I think. So they go
Dan: Okay. Some great choices. It's actually quite a a rich flower
Sidey: fertile ground, Dan
Dan: ground. There we go. That's the link we're after.  So I'm sure people could give us a few. Yeah.
Cris: give us a few ideas. There's gonna be a lot that we missed or a lot that we've not.
Dan: One or two maybe.
Sidey: Yeah. We need two more norms. And then we're gonna talk, we are now gonna talk about completely, not really that gardeny, but Ballard of a small player.
Dan: linked him.
Do your part. Yeah. Put
Cris: In between my
Dan: B brighten.
Cris: Yeah.
Dan: Why not? In an octopus
pussies garden. Yeah,
Cris: Yeah.
Exactly. We are going to talk about the ballad
Sidey: of a small player.
Dan: Okay.
Sidey: This is directed by Edward Chan. Yeah. Burger.
Dan: Any relation to Patrick?
Sidey: Yeah, this is dad. He'd he, this is off the back of all quite on the western front and conclave. So some pretty like punchy stuff.
Cris: Yeah.
And quite  sorry. Topical and
Sidey: yeah. Strong
Cris: rather than
Sidey: yeah, I think conclave was lucky 'cause it came out around the time that the pope snuffed it, like pure coincidence I think. Yeah. Unless he had him killed in a publicity stunt, which is by pre, that's pretty
Dan: was that based on the Robert Harris book?
Sidey: Dunno. Hang on. Robert Harris Write the science. Are the lamp or am I think a different
Dan: I,
Sidey: Thomas Harris was,
Dan: Is it a
Sidey: Thomas? Thomas Harris was the Science of Lamb. Anyway, that's got nothing to do with bad. A small player.
Cris: No, this is based on a novel though. Yeah. By Lawrence Osborne,
Sidey: Aussie.
Cris: Yeah.
Okay.
Do you know him
Dan: well? No,
Sidey: aie it's
just doing our stupid play on words thing. Okay. All I knew about this going into it, that it was, that it had ferro in it. I,
Cris: I, that was the only thing I knew about it
Sidey: we are on a, like a rich run of form in movies that we've reviewed with him in, have been strong.
Dan: Yeah. He does have,
Sidey: his career choices like a
Dan: good habit of choosing lots of good films.
We watched recently, he had a,
Sidey: 'cause we watched the  Total Recall we made, which is fucking D Gross and then everything else off. That seems to have been like
Dan: he seems to have given himself a good shake
Cris: But it's also, it's similar to what you were saying earlier about the film that we did, the midweek where it almost seems to me that because he's.
All those films and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The Banes, Sharon was, it was a small budget. It was he basically decided to do that. The, what is the one with the
Dan: lobster one? He did the
lobster.
Sidey: Yeah,
Cris: the one with the goat the horror one that we, it is something to do with the goal. I can't remember the deer or something.
The sacred killing of the
Sidey: deer. Yeah. They had the really weird language, the way they talked.
They just talked all like that the whole way through. Yeah. Whoa.
Cris: Yeah. But look, it almost feels like he's got to that stage where now he just says yes to
Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. He's he's paid his due and now
Cris: Yeah. It's look, I've made money. I've done this, I've done that Now.
I just wanted, and he still does a romcom or a in between, but he's also, I, anyway, we'll get into this
Sidey: Can you remember the  first word of this film?
Cris: No.
Sidey: Fuck
Dan: yeah. I was
Cris: is that what he, the
Dan: look
Sidey: the camera gets right close up to his face and he's he's size. He goes, fuck. And then he's, he's well dressed. He's looking okay.
Yeah. He's a little bit sweaty. He is under, and he said, fuck, he's some, he's under pressure a little bit and the camera sort of stays on him as he goes.
He's cleaning a hotel room, but we don't see immediately the state of it. It's a couple of hints. He just goes to a safe and you can see there's a champagne bottle on the floor
Dan: There's a few
Sidey: and he, and then the camera moves and he, yeah, but it doesn't show that immediately. Then he opens the door to the safe and it says, bollock.
There's nothing in the safe. And then we see the extent of his hotel. It's a suite. It's not a rumor as it's the fucking big suite. Yeah. It looks like, you know the hangover, there's just
Dan: Yeah, it does look
Sidey: food everywhere like they face fucking trashed.
Cris: There's about eight room service trolleys. It's, yeah, it's just
Sidey: and  he then is searching through different things and he goes to a great big kind of vase on the So vase? Yeah. Over. Yeah. It be something else. 'cause they're in MCC account, but under the TV and he is got a big fat roll of cash. Yeah. Under there. And then, yeah, I think it, it reveals then that he's a Macau.
The, people think Vegas is the gambling capital. It is Fucking not, it is not, it's not by long short. And this is like the gambling mecca, number one in the world. And he's there gambling away. He is
Cris: Lord Doyle.
Sidey: Lord Doyle. But I think, I don't know how you felt watching it. I was like this, it's obviously a grift, like not a fucking Lord.
Not by a long shot because he's also got this English accent and I thought, I'm sure he wouldn't play someone with a fucking dopey English accent like that.
Dan: I'm, the way that it pans out in a little bit is we will get to, I'm glad the way it does because yeah, he's in these outrageous kind of velvet suits and
Sidey: Yeah, Love a cravat.
Dan: Oh yeah. And he's looking  great. His hair slipped back. He's got this little patch. He
Sidey: it just started to deteriorate quite quickly.
Dan: It does it, it does give it half an hour. But he's he's blagging it. He's playing the game. He's and as he goes downstairs and avoiding the hotel staff as best he can to you realize he owes This guy,
Cris: he goes downstairs and he sees the valet guy and he's
Sidey: he tries to look the other way as he walks past the front desk. He's
Dan: yeah. Checking his watch and his everything.
Sidey: Lord Doyle. But
Dan: But they're already onto him. The car, the limo that would leave that hotel,
Sidey: you're not having
Dan: Has left and they've gotta call him a taxi.
He decides. No, I'm about to I'll walk, but just as he's,
Sidey: down, isn't it?
Dan: he looks a lovely evening. I think I'll walk it.
The
weather starts he gets called back in and says, look, you owe 352,000 Hong Kong dollars, which is around about 350,000 pounds, I
Sidey: yeah. He says oh,  I'll have my, I'll have my private banker wire the funds immediately, but it's, this is a weekend and it's a bank holiday back home or Monday you'll have the money by Tuesday.
They're like,
Dan: And they say right Tuesday afternoon, or we're calling the
Sidey: Yeah. and
Cris: the guy is he goes to the valley and the guy I look, go to the Crystal Sunshine Casino or something, you might get credit there
Sidey: Yeah.
goes.
Yeah.
Dan: Yeah. He, and heading into there he's playing a few tables and he's got his what a
Sidey: But they, this is where we meet the killer, isn't it? The old lady?
Dan: Yeah.
Cris: Yeah.
Sidey: His game of choice is Backrack. Which, I still dunno how to play.
Dan: yeah, I I thought I knew until the last hand of the film and then I was like what the hell happens now then?
Yeah. So he said, Backrack very simple game to play. You've picture cards and tens are worth nothing. Yeah. And the highest score you can get is nine, although clearly two sevens would be 14.
Sidey: But you  do, you bust if you go over 10. I just, can,
Dan: work. No. So I dunno that bit. But this lady, grandma keeps.
Pulling over.
Sidey: they said they call her the killer or something.
She's she's here gambling with her like multi-billionaire husband's money while he's out shagging. Yeah. And that's the arrangement they've got, it works for everyone.
Dan: Yeah. And he's nine. She keeps on pulling out nine And you're betting against the other table.
I think it's the highest bidder gets
Sidey: watch it with subtitles?
Cris: Yeah, I did. I
Dan: I can't remember
Sidey: because I did. I don't. You did. So what you the effect, I didn't know if they, I didn't know if they put subtitles on for what she was saying, because she's talking to
Dan: Yeah, I did what she with
Sidey: subtitles Do Ming and she's being like, really insulting about him.
I'm gonna crush his balls, all this sort of stuff. I didn't know if they put that translation on because then she's not getting the, she's not giving him the proper translation.
Cris: yeah, he's oh, what she's saying. He's okay, you are.
Win for a ride or
Dan: You're in for a tough game here. And really she's saying, this guy's a  fucking loser. He's gonna run out on you. The hornet's
Cris: Just a wasp.
Sidey: Has it got yellow legs?
Yellow legs is a hornet.
It
does Asian hornet.
Dan: it does next to that yellow light.
Yeah.
Sidey: it's, I'm getting blinded here.
So he, yeah, he's doo ming, she's becomes an important character.
Cris: Yeah.
Sidey: He's been told that she might be able to offer him credit, so she does. And the terms are like, fucking astronomical is like 16% plus commission on top of that. And he tries to be all blase about it. Okay, great. And
Dan: 50 at 10
Sidey: you've gotta sell your drinks bill first.
Dan: Sure. Yeah.
Sidey: Says
Dan: Okay, I'm just, get me another bottle and I'm just gonna be back. Go to the toilet. 'cause he doesn't have the
Sidey: isn't anything
Dan: for the Christo champagne, which he asked for in perfect Chinese, or at least decent Chinese. Says Don't gimme the cheap champagne. Gimme the good stuff. And
yeah, he's he is just a gambler,  isn't he?
He's an absolute addicted gambler. The general gambler.
Sidey: So he loses that, what that rollercoaster that he had has gone
now
Dan: and he wakes up in the morning in the same hotel suite in the same mess.
Mistake. Yeah.
But without that water of money and a vase to fall back onto.
Sidey: Yeah. This is where he goes outside, doesn't he? And as the jumper.
Dan: Yeah he's having
Sidey: as in not a pullover,
Dan: He's having a meal and you just see it go past the window and he looks, but it does. And then he hears a thud and a scream, and he runs downstairs. And he sees Al Ming, the lady who had offered him credit Yeah. The day before from the rainbow and runs after her, and chases after her.
He starts running the one lady has tried to start a fight with Alman and said, why did you lend him any money? Because obviously she had, he lost and saw his only way out was to kill himself. And he means
Sidey: Damning is gonna be in trouble
Dan: Yeah. Because
Sidey: she's lending out money and there's no money coming
Dan: He works that out. When he goes back to her place and asks her, oh, that is a bit of money. And she's saying, no, look, you're just a degenerate gambler. And he says, look. I may be, but I ain't no different to you because if you were any good, you would be earning commission on when people lost money.
You wouldn't be up to your neck in it either. You are taking risks here on side bets and hassles. And like me, you are pretty fucked up as well. And so they have this kind of kindred spirit relationship where they both realize, yeah, we're, we are both
Cris: it's also mental, the difference between, and I've seen that before with people that work in these high end places, but they live in basically just a room.
Because it's, she basically works, she lends people money. She gives them line of credit for 300,000 Hong Kong dollars, but she lives in  a studio flat with Yeah.
Sidey: A houseboat maybe. Who
Dan: Yeah.
Cris: or a
Sidey: who knows?
Dan: It certainly wasn't, the luxury that Lord Doyle was used to in his wonderful suite.
Sidey: We're gonna learn a bit more about him because it gets into a lift, doesn't he? Yeah. And Cynthia is there, Tilda Swinton's
Dan: she's
already clocked him once before,
Sidey: Betty? At
Dan: Yeah, she does. She's already clocked him once before as he's walked out of the hotel. And she's followed him a little bit, but this time she gets a selfie of herself in the lift and he's clearly in
Sidey: He
knows what's going on
Dan: and he follows her into the ladies and demands that she deletes the photo and at that point we start to see a layer of
Yeah. His facade. Now he's Irish again. And he's
Sidey: Mr. Riley, she calls him and yeah, she's
Cris: and he's denying that he's Mr. Riley right at  this point.
Sidey: Yeah. She's accusing him, she's working for a lady that has had a load of money stolen from her which he tries to deny it first, but we're gonna learn that it's actually true.
Yeah. And it's not the only person that's and I think this lady was like 900,000 was, she said Yeah. It's a big chunk of cash. So he's, he owes, he's stolen millions. And just gambled the whole lot away. He was, I think he was the private banker for these people.
Dan: He, we find out that he was also in the Philippines where he faked his own death. And but. The trail had gone cold, but she had been able to pick it up again as we find out a little bit later, the reasons why.
And he's got charm though, he's got good looks. He's got charm. And he
Sidey: He's effectively a confidence man,
Dan: Yeah he's insisting to everyone. Look, my luck can't be that bad for this long change. It will change. It's just
Sidey: he says it to the guy, the valet  the guy that he met when he was trying to get the limo and he says, I just need one big win. Yeah. This wonder if that's gonna pay off. I think he goes to meet his mate who, who is the prince,
Dan: We'll have a di we'll have a dinner and a dance,
Sidey: keeps saying that to him, doesn't he?
Dan: we'll have a dinner, a dance, and maybe we can come to some kind of agreement.
Sidey: He loses it, doesn't he? He goes he, he's just, he like appearance are starting to get more disheveled. He's now, he is like looking a little bit like more unshaven.
He's sweating all the time. It has heart palpitations. Yeah. It's like he's in deep into all this. Yeah. So he gets pissed and he goes to see his mate that they get the impression they've done scams together
Dan: before. Yeah.
Sidey: Yeah. And this guy owes him about eight grand. He's pretending to be someone have hosting a party, isn't he?
Dan: Yeah. And he's saying, look, I need it now. And he gives him two
Sidey: out, doesn't, he's like properly
Dan: Yeah. I give, he gives him two. This is great. 'cause he gives him two out of his wallet and he goes I haven't got it. Come, let's go and have dinner in a dance.
And I don't
Sidey: That's my line.
Dan: my fucking life, but they do go down and have dinner. And he goes, oh, come on Riley. And he goes, you just call me  Riley. Why'd you call me Riley? And he goes, you fucking giving me away, didn't you? And he goes yeah I did. And he doesn't deny it too long. He goes. I've got my own problems and I did it for amnesty because they'll be after me next.
So yeah, I threw you under the bus and they talk a little bit about the shame and the death of shame and how, he's gotta get to that position where he's doesn't even give a shit anymore. Yeah. Shame has died. And then he gets up to walk out and he goes, you better pick up the bill for this.
And it's all the money that he's just lent him. Which just goes to show what an expensive place Macau can be if you are in to, thousand
Sidey: Yeah. But he's, he has had this interaction with Cynthia, and he is robbed.
He said to her for that photo, you've gotta gimme 500 bucks. And it, at one point he, he runs off with a purse, isn't Yes. And he takes her phone and he, and she eventually gives him the 500, and at this point he does have a bit of success. He turns that 500 to 50  grand. Yeah. Which she says, take that and give that to your woman. She's get fuck. It
Cris: That's not gonna be enough. It
Sidey: the
Dan: It goes there's 10,000 for you though.
Just disappear and go. And she's not having any of it. She's in there to do a job. This old lady's
Sidey: on his trial for a long time as
Dan: been a long time ago. She's been and we started to hear a little bit more about, the Filipino death certificate and how she managed to track him down a little bit.
But he's just,
Sidey: just a bit about the way it's filmed in all these casinos. Like it looks stunning. Shots down the corridor. I was getting a bit like shining vibe, with those shots down hotel corridors and stuff.
Looks amazing. Lot of overhead stuff where it's looking down on the floor while people are walking around,
Dan: Look, looking up into the sky. Straight scrapers and
Sidey: Very stylized.
Dan: Yeah really good. And his suits and his his whole kind of get up is brilliant, but he's looking more and more pasty as this
Sidey: this is very, he completely lose, isn't he? He has a solo dinner. Yeah. He's racked up another big tab and he asks for more drink and the, he says, you  gotta pay for what you've had first before he can have more. He is just go and get that one and I'll sort it out. But he collapses here.
He has a full on heart attack. And from this point in the movie
Dan: D Al Ming is coming at this
Sidey: She picks him
Dan: Yeah. She picks him up and he's oh. And she takes him to a a houseboat
Sidey: First of all she, he's been in hospital. She says, you slept in hospital for two days.
Dan: and then
Sidey: says that, and then we're on this houseboat. And you're a bit like,
Dan: and he's got a number
Sidey: got a different gaff though, isn't she?
Dan: yeah. Yeah.
He's had a number since they met one night and went back to the beach of Hong Kong or Macau, and it's looking onto Macau. And it just looks a real kind of muddy.
Cris: Yeah. Because then the tide comes in Yeah. In the morning when he wakes up
Dan: and he's got this kind of, these digits almost tattooed on his hand, but it looks like he's written in a pen, but he, we see him have a shower and go swimming and everything.
This number's still on there. And in this  houseboat on a river or just in the sea, there's a kind of shed off it with a padlock, and it's a combination padlock.
Cris: But this is, he comes to the conclusion of that through a series of hallucinations.
Dan: Yeah.
Cris: That's.
Sidey: She disappears.
Cris: Yeah.
Dan: We don't know at
Sidey: they really, they have this night. They really, she says, tell me one thing about yourself. That's true. And he says about his gambling and all this sort of shit, and the shame he has from ripping off all these people. And she says her truth, and they have this real connection, her family and stuff, and all her, and then she's fucking gone.
Dan: and then she's gone and they talk a little bit about the Buddhist hell where people have very thin necks and wide mouths and they just can't get enough.
Cris: Yeah. The greed, right?
Dan: They're greed. The greed that is just greed. It is like a, a Buddhist kind of hell. And that's where she says, it's too l.
It's not too late for you, she says, but but it's too late for me. And she's just lent money to too many people  who have now killed themselves and and too many bad stories involved with her. Whereas he is very selfish and he has hurt a lot of people. And he's, but maybe not to the levels where she has but he's starting to reflect on this because he actually gets a shit ton of money from this combination lock.
And there's two.
Sidey: I thought he was gonna drag her up for me.
Cris: Yeah, I thought so too.
Dan: But it's two bags filled with money. Absolutely. Tons of it. And he's, he doesn't want anything to do it. He's no, it that lasts about, yeah. That, that lasts about five minutes. And then suddenly he's back on the boat.
He's going, he looks like shit. He's. Not like Lord Dole. He's got those clothes on, but it's
Sidey: in a bad way.
Dan: disheveled. He is, he's not shaved. He looks pasty as hell. And he's going back into Macau with all this
Sidey: He's got a plan, hasn't he? He's gonna, going to the
Dan: to the backrack tables is the
Sidey: He Says,
To  Cynthia I'm gonna win the most amount of money in a game of back act. There's everyone in the history of the world. And she's she's, no, you you need to go to the police. She's just I found you. You're coming in, blah, blah. He's I can make it right.
I can do it. All.
only
Dan: about two thirds of what I owe you.
Sidey: It's one, one more grift, but it's his mate. He's arranged this game Yes. With the prince of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's his mate. Like strides in, and they sit opposite ends of this table. Yeah. And they play a game of just a single hand.
Everything's all in on this game of Backrack. And this was like, I've never seen this in Backrack before.
Dan: This is what confused me of the game because
Sidey: because it's two cards each. Yeah. He gets.
something. and then his mate gets turns over
Dan: and a two, didn't he? And so he goes one over
Sidey: get one single card.
And I was like, I dunno what
Dan: No, I'm out. I dunno.
Sidey: No.
Dan: But yeah, his mate
Sidey: he's had this thing with his gloves, hasn't he? He's got these yellow gloves and he really like, takes a long time to check the card and really I was like,  you're fucking like ruining every single card that
Dan: Yeah.
Sidey: because he bends
Dan: a new,
Sidey: back and they really draw this out.
This the suspense of what he is on his card and they don't actually show you. He you see him look at it and he's trying not to give anything away and he doesn't give it away. And he like then turns the card over. Boom. He is won the fucking lot wallet.
Dan: He's. He's come up Trump, you can't believe it. He's his mate is gutted because I think it must be his last
Cris: his last money.
Dan: well. Money as well. And he goes back,
Sidey: where was his money from the other guy?
Dan: I dunno, I think
Cris: The argument would've been, I think the insinuation was that it was, he was backed by someone else. That, and that was the same thing that he was owing money to so many people that he's I'm gonna give you him.
And then once he got him, he's oh, this guy's coming in with money. I'll win the money for you. Just back me. I'll win the
Dan: money. Maybe sold that house that he had or whatever.
The last thing he was,
Cris: but then that's where now they tried to take him to the grandma.
Yeah. And then because
Sidey: a pair.
Cris: but that's  the thing, because in Macau and in that kind of culture, they show that he's got a dead person with him.
Sidey: They said that when the, he's winning
Cris: a ghost. Sorry. He's got a ghost.
Sidey: the first
time that he won the 50 grand, they call him in and they said there's a ghost behind you.
And he's just what? And I'm watching again. So what that he literally has a ghost behind him. And It's her, isn't
Cris: Yeah. Doming. Yeah. Because then he finds out that
Sidey: she's been dead for ages.
Cris: yeah. Yeah.
Dan: Yeah.
And they have the, he's
Sidey: got a couple, she had drowned herself. The mother
Dan: in his room where he's looking in the reflection of a bucket. He's being sick in
Sidey: gorges himself and one of the things I couldn't work out what the fuck it was he was eating. Yeah, there's a big lobster bit and then it's something you just
Dan: like a gatto or something like that, or it
Sidey: Eats that. Tilly Pues.
Dan: The greed, it's this kind of look onto, no matter how much he's eating he can't be full no matter how she's drinking. He can't actually be satisfied. They talk a little bit at one point, him and his mate about, oh, do you hear the one  where the gambler dies? And he goes to he dies and he's finds himself at a table and he is got loads of lovely girls around him and he can't stop losing.
He just can't stop winning. He just wins and wins and wins. And he turns to one guy and he goes, ah, I thought I might be going to the other place, can't believe this. And he goes, this is hell. Because you never lose. You just always win and always win. But there's no satisfaction in it then.
Sidey: His mate said to him earlier the winning will kill you quicker than the losing.
Dan: And so we see him have the opportunity to have a 500 to one shot in his favor.
Sidey: because he's given, he's paid everything.
Yeah.
Dan: Yeah.
Sidey: Via Cynthia that he
Dan: He's
Sidey: he's left with two suitcases
Dan: which he knows is do mins.
He goes, this is her money. I'm a lord. He said, he's mentioned before and I will, pay back my debt. And so he does. He tries that, but then she says, oh, she's dead. And just for a moment there's a  flicker across his eyes where he thinks I might as well just gamble it all then. And you're thinking, don't do it.
Don't do it.
Sidey: I thought he was gonna do it and win. I thought he'd have another win.
Dan: I I was just thinking.
Sidey: sure.
Dan: It's gonna be the end of you if you do it. And I think he fills that as well. And I think that's what the film's saying as well, because he doesn't, and he goes to the the Festival of the Ghosts.
Yeah. Which they mentioned before and burns all the money
Sidey: goes for KLF. Yeah. He burns the lot, fucks back the lot. Yeah.
Dan: for her. For Del Min. He says, this is your
Cris: And he drops the gloves.
Sidey: Yeah.
Dan: He does
Cris: Because that's his gambling
Dan: I'm never gambling
Sidey: Also, it was his big it was a big pretense. 'cause he would say they're s row, made
Cris: many China,
Sidey: And he was getting rid of that, exercising that persona and getting rid of it, I think.
Yeah.
Dan: And so he's, he bans all the money and I think that's pretty much the last scene,
Cris: it? Yeah. That is the end. No.
Sidey: yeah.
Dan: Yeah. And so he's a gambler who has found  redemption and a second chance.
Sidey: weird film.
Cris: Yeah.
I liked
Dan: it. I liked it though. I
Sidey: like the look of it.
Dan: I liked it. I liked it. I liked the styling the stylistic side of it, the styling it. I liked the themes of gambling and just going for it. And these compulsive gamblers that just
Cris: and also the philosophy behind it, right? Where you can't stop and you can't be satisfied.
You can't win, but you win. But you are still not happy. You're still chasing that. You're still, what is important, what
Dan: There's no happiness
Sidey: the rush is the bet, isn't it? Not the win or lose, it's really is a matter. It's the rush is actually the chance of the unknown of what's gonna happen to it. That's the rush. It's weird because as a main character protagonist, like he's a fucking criminal, right?
Yeah. He's robbed fucking loads of people, pension funds for the rest, all of that gone. And his,
Dan: she was a bitter, twisted old woman, he says
Sidey: and his problem is gambling and the redemption  arc of him is through gambling and pulling another con with this guy, and you are like, I don't know, it's weird.
But always watching Colin Fowler, the film looks great. Stylistically, it's so nice. So it's so nice to look at is I don't know, it felt a little bit hollow in terms of the morality tale, I suppose
Dan: but I liked it because it, it was different.
Normally you see them do one more GA and they lose normally,
Sidey: a bit fucking much as well.
Dan: Yeah.
Sidey: It's weird Clubber in
Dan: she's got,
Cris: Yeah. And then the whole thing, she just looks like a boy scout.
Sidey: Yeah.
Dan: until right at the end where she's in a very,
Cris: yeah, she gets a bit because he tells her like,
Sidey: let's have dinner and dance.
Dan: live a little.
Live a little. Yeah. But,
Sidey: when did she die? So what was the point where she, where Darm was supposed to have died?
Cris: She left him there in the boathouse.
Sidey: So she was real there? Yeah. And she went and killed herself. I went
Cris: off and then that
Dan: no, I'm not even, I'm not even sure because we flashed back at one point and he's, he thinks that he sees al ing in the restaurant when he has that heart attack
Sidey: because she's already, 'cause they're saying she's a ghost. There's
Cris: a  guy she's
Dan: it was just a guy and she's
Sidey: because they're saying she's a ghost when he's gambling with the 500.
Cris: The only thing is the question I have for that was because I don't know how he got there if she didn't take him to the boathouse.
Sidey: Yeah. Who did? How would he
Cris: get
Dan: I think he's probably done it all himself, but he's hallucinated
that he's with her the whole time and it's probably, it is probably something that he's known about that
Cris: with a cold. Yeah.
Dan: fund or whatever, he's all but he's just
Sidey: she had told him that other night. Maybe
Dan: he's, yeah, he's just had a,
Sidey: stinker
Cris: is where, yeah, that is where it's unclear because that period, it's all hallucination rather than
Sidey: but a bit of ambiguity like that is okay.
Dan: Yeah. I it just goes to show that, he's been
so untruthful to himself. You don't even know what's real or not anymore.
He's not until that time where he's lying down on the bed with her and they're doing opium and she says, give me the truth.  It actually gives the truth and says, I'm a scoundrel, really, I'm a Ford. I've been horrible. I've lobbed a load of people. It is almost like that was his confessional.
Yeah.
Sidey: Yeah.
Dan: And there,
that was his, and he doesn't go back after that. He says, I'm going to, win back the money that I owe people. And. That's what he does, but he doesn't
Cris: So opium was redemption, not
Sidey: yeah. So yeah. Drugs and gambling.
Dan: it wasn't just gambling, it was drugs too. Yeah.
Sidey: you had to sum up your feelings for this movie in a two word review, what would you
Dan: All in,
Cris: Bizarre but funny.
Sidey: I would say strong recommend.
Cris: Yeah.
Dan: But I think that wins.
Sidey: That was
an abrupt ending to that movie review, wasn't it?
Cris: Yeah. We didn't do any I didn't, we didn't do any usual. Did it? Cost money
Sidey: oh, it's a Netflix, it's a Netflix post, so you dunno. It cost  a trillion and it made none because they don't, they just don't do it like that. So we
Dan: but it nice to see another good addition to friend of the pod cor and Ferrell.
Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. He should get on. He should come and see us. I think
Dan: We will.
Cris: He loves Ziggy's in real life.
Sidey: Does he?
Cris: Yeah. Have you not seen him every interview? He just parks a ciggy. Just Anywhere?
Sidey: Who
Dan: it's you.
Sidey: Is it me?
Dan: I think so.
Sidey: Is it me? I dunno if it is me.
Cris: It's definitely not me.
Sidey: Oh, we do have a bit problem because
Cris: I'm away next week.
Sidey: Chris is away next week and regs and I are away on Tuesday and Wednesday.
Dan: so it, oh, who knows What's gonna happen
then?
Sidey: we might have to take a week off.
Cris: Where are you going
Sidey: to watch the Wutang Clam?
Cris: yes.
Sidey: Oh yeah.
At the at the O2 arena.
Cris: You better protect your
Sidey: We could, yeah, I know. We could record Monday. We probably won't go down, work home if I'm then anyway. We'll figure something out. All that remains is to say side is signing out.
Dan: Dan's gone.