Wolves & The Wolf of Wall Street

Wolf of Wall Street

Sidey: Gosh, what have I done there? Right. Continuation of Wolf Week.

Dan: Yeah.

Jamie: Ooh. That's a

Dan: really bad

Sidey: as disclosed, no Riggs e- That's, that's

Jamie: that's foreshadowing.

Sidey: equals no intro. But Jamie's still with us. Yeah. Yay. So we're gonna talk today top five wolves. Hi. And the film we're talking about is The Wolf of Wall Street.

Dan: Can see how that all- Less

Sidey: wolves in it, though, than you think blends

Dan: in

Jamie: there maybe blends together.

Sidey: Yeah. But before we get into that, Dan, would, do you w- watch much this week?

Jamie: get into that, Dan, did

Dan: it though

Jamie: watch much

Dan: than you think ... blends together. Yeah. But before we get into that, Dan, would you want to watch March this week? Did I? No, not really. I, I've been in a few YouTube holes really, and been reading. Oh, you said that last time. Reading books. Yeah, I'm still into these these books that are going through the history of like the Cold War and things like that with these different spy stories. And while everyone's away from my house and has been for the last five or six weeks.

Sidey: Do you know this Dan's wife just disappears for the whole summer every year?

Jamie: year? Yeah. Sounds lovely.

Dan: She goes, She thinks

Jamie: no, it doesn't. My wife doesn't this.

Dan: she thinks so. Yeah, she goes home to Czech Republic to visit her family, and leaves me all alone fending for myself in th- through the summer holidays and everything.

Sidey: I feel so, so sorry for you.

Dan: Yeah. But it does mean that I can get some reading done

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: And watch football and movies and and that's what I've done, but not any TV watching beyond the homework this week.

Sidey: What about you, Jamie?

Jamie: Done a lot of watching old stuff 'cause I couldn't be bothered watching anything new. Like Blue Bloods, which I love watching that 'cause it makes me so angry 'cause it's bad. An old show called No Offense, Manchester cop show, really good, and the Big Bang Theory spinoff, Stuart Fails to Save the Universe.

Sidey: Oh, yeah, you said about that, yeah. Yeah.

Jamie: It's good. It's, you know, it's, it's not Big Bang Theory and my favorite thing about it is the title sequences change every week and it's... Yeah, it's a good laugh, but not really watched a lot of new stuff, to be honest.

Sidey: I watched something almost brand new. In fact, it fucking is brand new. Mutiny. Right. Jason Statham.

Dan: Okay. Yeah. I wonder what it's gonna be like he's

Sidey: he's an ex-cop- Yeah ... doing private security for a guy.

Dan: Wow. So it's pr- Yeah ... totally new premise.

Sidey: And the guy-

Jamie: new ground

Sidey: The guy ends up being assassinated, and he goes on a revenge mission. What?

Jamie: way. Not a revenge

Sidey: mission. Way. Which takes place on a boat, hence the mutiny, although he was never part of the crew, so technically not. But,

Dan: i thought it might have

Jamie: was there a bounty involved?

Sidey: a boat involved? I wanna show you later the poster, because when you see the poster, if you sort of just glance at it, like, you think it's, this is what caught my eye when I saw it. I thought it was Die Hard. It's, it is the fucking... They've got the ship, like it looks like the Nakatomi tower, and then they've got his face, and you're like, "Fucking hell, it's such an obvious rip-off."

Jamie: Here, ChatGPT, make a poster for my

Sidey: Honestly, that's what they've done. And the film is- Like, technically it's, like, it's bad. It's- Like, it's a, it's a badly made film, I would say. And it's crap, but I fucking really enjoyed it. Did

Dan: you... Yeah, did you stay the course? It's Statham. Yeah, I was in. Yeah.

Jamie: You stayed on the course?

Sidey: through the course? I think it's probably 80 minutes, something like that. And there's violence in it and stuff, and he just kills loads of people. It's great.

Dan: got a formula Yeah it works. For those who haven't picked up, there's a, a new dad in the house. You may not have listened to the Midweekers, so,

Jamie: yeah. So,

Dan: we should give Jamie a-

Sidey: Jamie a shout-out. Shout-out

Jamie: Shout-out to me. Hello.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Hi. Yeah, I'm just here on the- ... the new way of

Jamie: where,

Dan: and that, innit? Yeah, innit?

Jamie: did the innit come from?

Dan: don- I dunno. You're the, you're the Scottish.

Jamie: Well, let's

Dan: Aye, aye.

Sidey: we?

Jamie: Yeah,

Sidey: Jamie and I have been pals for a long time. We worked together for a pretty long time. The same amount of time, because that's how I know. Yeah.

Jamie: On and off again.

Sidey: And Jamie's been keen to pop his pod cherry, so here we are.

Dan: Which he already did do in the Midweeker- Yeah ... if people listen back for the amazing American Werewolf in London.

Sidey: Yeah. Strong recommend for that one. Shall we crack on then talking about our top five wolves?

Jamie: Let's do it.

Sidey: Right. Yes. Good luck on that one.

Dan: Wolves? Let's do it.

Jamie: You need to work on that, man.

Dan: one. It's getting worse. What are we thinking? Have you got loads of werewolves, or

Jamie: You know, like an awooga ... what

Sidey: What do we think? Have you got loads of werewolves, or have you just gone for actual wolves? Or how have you, how have you, have you done it? So

Dan: I

Jamie: a lot of time thinking about

Sidey: Yeah, you were quite keen on this, I

Jamie: I went far too literal. Yeah. Then I thought, "That's not good enough." So then I went far too esoteric, looking up, like, ancient Germanic translations of anything that could remotely be a wolf.

Sidey: then I got

Jamie: Okay. And then I got drunk, and then what I've got left with is the five things that somehow I made a note of on my phone. Okay, cool. So...

Sidey: Yeah. Do you wanna give us the first one of those?

Jamie: us? I didn't put them in order. Should they be in order?

Sidey: No. Just what we nor- would normally do is some, and then we'd save our best, our favorite for our nomination to go in the top five.

Jamie: I see. Well, the first one on my list is Winston Wolf.

Dan: Ah.

Jamie: Wolf from Pulp Fiction.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. Harvey Harvey. Cool

Jamie: cool character, great dialogue, and just comes in and fixes it. And I'm a huge Tarantino fan because he has his own genre, and he has,

Sidey: you know,

Jamie: I think outside of white shirts and black ties, Winston Wolf is the most Tarantino thing outside of He-

Sidey: Mm. Yeah. Yeah, he's

Dan: some character when we watched it, Pulp Fiction, for the first time. Yeah. And you just think, "How the fuck are they getting out of this?" And you've got somebody at the end of

Sidey: phone- Is it Win- what's the, who's the guy they kill in the back of the car? Marvin. Marvin, that's it. And- Shout

Jamie: Marvin in the face.

Sidey: just whoops, just like- Yeah ... blows his brains out. And

Dan: while they're all losing their shit and panicking a bit, he comes in just cool as a cucumber. He's seen it all before. He's giving Tarantino, who's doing his- Yeah

Sidey: as cool as he is- Yeah ... it does clash with a bit of terrible acting from Tarantino talking about his sheets. Now, we can't use those sheets 'cause they're blood. He went,

Dan: It's awful ... I'm an oak

Jamie: I love it ... myself.

Sidey: He's wearing it.

Dan: giving... He's just reeling off, like-

Sidey: Yeah

Dan: $100 bills to, to pay

Jamie: love any character that's sort of his own pre-made deus ex machina. He just sort of, you know, I, I couldn't be arsed writing a, a solution to this, so here's Harvey Keitel doing a great performance. He's

Sidey: turned up from a party or something. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie: Never quite known what time of day it is, but he's still in a tuxedo.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: in the tux. That's it. Y- "I'll drive that car. You drive mine. Don't dent it. Let's go." And they get rid of the body. And actually, as we, as those that have seen Pulp Fiction, pr- pretty much everyone has, that scene is the one that starts the film following that. So it comes back round, doesn't it? And they meet in the cafe. And that's the kind of day they've already had, which is why- Yeah ... when they rob in the, the cafe and he's saying- Jules said that ... "Mine's the

Jamie: of this shit ... "Mine's a..."

Dan: Says Bad Mother..." You know? But yeah, that's, that's a good shout.

Sidey: I've got an animated one- Ooh ... which features a 300-year-old wolf god

Jamie: god

Sidey: Called Moro Yeah Or Moro,

Jamie: or

Dan: Moro, not,

Sidey: our captain ... not the captain of our ship, Captain Moro. This is Moro. It's yeah, Princess Mononoke. Yeah. Which I s- The one with the werewolf ... which I sat down to watch with my daughter when she was way too... 'Cause I was like, most of these are pretty cutesy-wutesy. Not all. And someone, I think, in the first few minutes is decapitated by an arrow. Yeah. And it's like, "Oh, maybe, maybe we should not watch this." Would you go dubbed or subtitled on these?

Jamie: Well, me being somewhat of a closet pretentious knob, I do both. Right. But

Sidey: Animated I'm okay with going dubbed ... yeah.

Jamie: I just, I love Studio Ghibli just for the visual spectacle. I'm not really caring about who's saying what or where.

Sidey: who's saying what or where. They tell me that for some reason they like to get famous voice actors, which then I try to remember who that voice is that I recognize. You could've just had anyone do the- Yeah ... you don't need to get, you know, like Johnny Depp and fucking whoever. No. No. Like, it's pointless. But they do. But this is, I... This possibly is my favorite of Studio Ghibli.

Dan: Ghibli. Possibly. Hmm.

Sidey: It's right up there anyway.

Jamie: It's definitely one of my favorites, yeah.

Sidey: It, yeah, it's, it's outstanding, and it's a big fucking wolf, this guy.

Jamie: She, yeah Sorry, she And she's also the voice of Nature Against Humanity, which I think- Yeah ... w- 'cause that came out in, like, '91, I think '07

Sidey: I think. '97. '97? Mm.

Jamie: S- so, you know, we're talking 30-odd years later and it's still m- as much, if

Sidey: more relevant now. More

Jamie: now

Sidey: I say. Yeah Daniel

Dan: Teen Wolf. C- can't forget Michael J. Fox coming out playing- Michael J., yeah ... the, the coolest

Sidey: was nearly the nom, wasn't it? Riggs, Riggs, like, put it forward last week. Yeah. And we were like, "Nah, I'm set

Dan: nearly one we were

Jamie: God it was watered down

Dan: know. We should've done that. But it, it was one of those movies I remember as, as a kid watching. And it being, you know, Michael J. Fox right at the, the top of his, Wolfness ... wolfness and his, his, his howling,

Sidey: would say the transformations in that, still not as good as American Werewolf.

Dan: No. Isn't there a bit right at the end on the stage where somebody gets their dick out or, Yes.

Sidey: They're not supposed to.

Jamie: we're not supposed to- The authority in Sadie's voice

Sidey: Yeah, because it was, like, it's one of those movie Easter eggs where someone just, like, flashed like, behind the scenes and it- And they just- ... it made it into the movie.

Dan: and they just couldn't cut it in time or whatever. But yeah, he's, he's there,

Sidey: it gives him a sort of unfair advantage when it comes to basketball.

Dan: Yeah. He's, he's able to, to dunk, isn't he? He's able just to go off, and he doesn't really use the team as much, and then it comes to the championship game and he plays himself- Yeah ... rather than the wolf. Although the whole, The wolf ... yeah, the the whole crowd want the wolf to deliver. It

Sidey: spawn a sequel. It did. Teen Wolf Too. Yeah. And a- It was

Jamie: Wolf Too. Yeah. Didn't need to. It spawned a

Sidey: and a TV series. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Jamie: Yeah. Which is,

Sidey: i've never seen the sequel, I must say. I'm

Jamie: beginning to doubt if I've seen the first one now. I thought I had.

Sidey: now. I

Dan: now. I thought I had. Yeah. You'd remember that dick. It,

Jamie: all the dicks,

Dan: yeah. Get the wolf next to him. But yeah, go on, we'll put in that.

Jamie: Next one I've got is the Big Bad Wolf from Shrek

Sidey: Oh. Oh, yeah.

Jamie: Because, you know, who's afraid of the Big Bad Wolf realize actually it's just a cross-dresser who sits in a bed all day pretending to be a gran. But throughout the seven million Shrek sequels they did, I've always loved the Big Bad Wolf just being sort of a deadpan comedic relief to ... In the first one, you know, it's, it's like a funny play on the fairy tale. By the end of it, it's like it's the only thing that keeps the thread together is the Big Bad Wolf just basically being, breaking the fourth wall, which is to me, me- merits a mention

Dan: A nice one

Sidey: There's loads of songs with werewolf or wolf and stuff going on. Werewolves of London, Warren Zevon. I think that might've been in American Werewolf, I think. That's got Fleetwood Mac's John McVie and Mick Fleetwood playing in the rhythm section of that band. It's really good. Bark at the Moon, an Ozzy Osbourne song. He goes full prosthetic wolf in the video. Of Wolf and Man, Metallica, off the Black Album. And who could forget Hungry Like the Wolf by Duran Duran? Yeah. It's

Dan: It's quite a rich vein of-

Sidey: Oh, there's a million other ones

Dan: wolves, isn't it? Yeah.

Sidey: band names, Howlin' Wolf, Steppenwolf Los Lobos, Wolfmother, Wolf Alice

Jamie: Wolfmother.

Dan: I was trying to think of the football team Wolves, if they had any, like, feature in a, in a film or something. And I, I couldn't find that. I know they had Steve Ball played for Wolves. I'm not sure how long he would've lasted, but,

Sidey: Wonder if they would've

Jamie: when I was asking the rules about this, you said make it as tenuous

Dan: you said they get as tenuous as possible.

Jamie: really meant make it as tenuous as possible.

Sidey: they've ever had like a cup final song or anything like that. I think it'd be quite

Dan: they might got him in there. Anyway, I didn't explore that rabbit hole quite as much as I could've. But I did remember a film called The Grey with Liam Neeson

Sidey: Where

Dan: he gets dumped out in the wilderness and the final scene is him... He's been battling wolves the whole kind of film. Have you seen that? No. Oh, right. It's not bad actually. You know, and the last scene, he, he's survived so long and this kind of alpha wolf has been after him with the pack, and I think a plane had come down and he, he was able to, to get away and survive, and he's done all these things. Right. And the last bit of it, he just kind of, duct tapes knives to his hands.

Sidey: akimbo, but knives. Like,

Dan: yeah. And it... 'Cause he knows he's just gonna be like... And it closes. They all kind of close down. You know, there's the wolves hunting packs- Yeah ... and they're not just- Yeah ... kind of one. So it's one pops up, two pops up, and he's just in full of snow and everything. He's

Sidey: Does he snuff it? And I

Dan: I, I... It, they don't let you know, but- I guess he's pretty bloodied up ... it ain't, it, it, it isn't isn't looking good. But it's, It was a decent movie. Yeah. The Grey. I'm surprised you've not seen that one.

Sidey: I haven't seen it. I

Jamie: can't... I dunno if I... I feel that sounds really familiar. Yeah. But I don't think I've seen it, but I think I might have been sitting flicking through my phone and seen odd clips of

Dan: odd clips of it. Right. Yeah, yeah. It's, it- I

Sidey: a bit like- A

Dan: few years old

Sidey: watch another? I sort of can't really take Liam Neeson seriously as an action kind

Jamie: don't think he can either. Yeah.

Sidey: can either. But then when I do watch them, I do quite enjoy them, so I should get in- get involved in that

Dan: when I do watch it, I do quite enjoy it. I should get, get involved in that. Well, he was a little bit younger. He wasn't- Yeah you know, when he did the I Will Find You. Taken. Oh, yeah. That was his- Yeah ... sort of debut in that, or at least his best one

Sidey: 'Cause didn't he do like an Ice Truckers one as well? Yeah,

Jamie: Yeah. Well, after Taken, just basically became typecast, didn't he? Yeah. 'Cause again, Taken had way too many sequels.

Sidey: Yes. Yeah.

Jamie: And then he tried to get back into comedy and made-

Sidey: Naked Naked Gun,

Jamie: yeah Yeah. I don't like to talk about it, but it was

Sidey: You like what I do, I think? Well,

Dan: I didn't think it was as bad as

Sidey: Yeah. I've seen it, so I can't comment, but- So,

Dan: one So, because I'm a big fan of obviously the, The Naked Gun, so- Yeah ... I just thought

Sidey: they could've

Dan: butchered this and and normally I steer away from films that I really

Sidey: like, and they've done a sequel- Yeah, so do I

Dan: Like Papillon. I thought why are you gonna do a new Papillon? But- And when I watched the, the newer one, actually I thought it was okay It was really good Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. It was pretty good

Jamie: pretty good. My next one is Rose Tyler from Doctor Who.

Dan: Who.

Sidey: So

Jamie: the Russell T Davies reboot, there's a whole series arc over three series of Bad Wolf. Right. Where it turns out that Rose Tyler, you know, is Bad Wolf. But when, when you're watching it live, you realize that for three whole seasons he's just planted little tiny clues and Easter eggs everywhere. Yeah. And it just made, like the, the, the watching, the rewatchability of those early Doctor Who reboots, I'm a massive Doctor Who geek, really enjoyable. And the payoff was fantastic because you genuinely didn't see it coming. Yeah.

Sidey: What's going on with that now?

Jamie: that now? God only knows.

Sidey: Everyone's sort of left, all the- Yeah, they just went

Jamie: sold it to Disney.

Sidey: Yeah, I saw that, and then it went-

Jamie: And then Disney got- wanted a refund, I think. Whatever

Sidey: But everyone, all those guys have all gone, haven't they?

Jamie: Well, they, they, they tried to bring back Russell T. Davies and b- basically make, they tried to make it 2002 again. Yeah.

Sidey: Billie Piper was gonna maybe be the Doctor

Jamie: Piper was gonna maybe be- She was gonna be the Doctor. They had Chuti Gawa, who's a phenomenal actor.

Dan: Yeah, who

Sidey: He was never v- fully into

Jamie: it. You could tell he

Sidey: he wasn't into it. Yeah.

Jamie: Wasn't into it. But he's got such good acting chops. But then much like previous people that had played Doctor Who, you had fantastic actors with terrible scripts. Yeah. And then, you know, when I started watching Doctor Who, it had been about 30 years since it was on. Mm-hmm. And it's now been about 30 years since then, so I think it's about time for it to, to die and wait a while. Yeah.

Sidey: What we were talking about nominating maybe as a movie would've involved Will Randall. Jack Nicholson played him in 1994's- Ah ... "Wolf." "Wolf", yeah. But we decided

Dan: When he, he kind of, he, he's driving down a a snowy path and he hits a, a wolf and thinks it's dead.

Jamie: to

Dan: it off. It's not dead. They're never dead. They're never dead. If ever you hit wolf, they're never dead. Don't try and drag it off. Just drive over it and, you know, if it's dead, it's not gonna- Not dead ... it's not gonna, it's not gonna matter. That's right. Z- and well, it's better than getting bitten. And then he sort of went away and he drove away and the wolf was just kind of watching him and you think something's gonna happen here, and of course it does.

Sidey: Mm. If you

Jamie: like in that movie, Jack Nicholson was the FX guy's,

Sidey: like,

Jamie: wet dream because he didn't need much to just kinda look a bit like a mad wolf anyway.

Dan: just kinda little touch, a little bit of makeup here and here and

Jamie: of toner, you'll be fine, love.

Sidey: Just go watch a few Lakers games, have a few like nights out and it'll be fine. But also from the "Harry Potter" series, Remus Lupin. I mean, what are the odds when your name is Lupin- And you are also werewolf

Jamie: I mean, we should have seen it coming, shouldn't we? Yeah,

Sidey: Everyone should have. But all of us are- And we talked about the difference between practical effects and CGI, and I have to say, I think it was pretty lame.

Jamie: Oh, that's awful

Sidey: But it does have a bit of a ding-dong with, Fenrir Greyback?

Jamie: Greyback?

Sidey: I was gonna say

Dan: Not

Sidey: Severus. Not Severus. Severus Snape. Yes. In Azkaban, "Prisoner of Azkaban," by the Whomping Willow. They have a little werewolf off, don't they? Excuse me. But I think, yeah, if he's called Lupin, come on. So...

Dan: Dances with Wolves, Costner. Yeah. What a

Sidey: a terrible title. There's no-

Jamie: Avatar,

Dan: they- ... dancing wolves at all ... they call him that, the Indian the North American, Indigenous ... or indigenous people, they call him that, don't they? Ah, he's Dances with Wolves. It was one of only four Westerns to win the Academy Award for Best Picture. Do you know the other ones?

Sidey: "Unforgiven"? Yeah.

Jamie: Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

Sidey: "Stagecoach"? "Cimarron"

Dan: the

Jamie: Stagecoach?

Sidey: in 1931. I've

Dan: I've never seen that. And No Country for Old Men as well as Unforgiven-

Sidey: calling that a Western, okay

Dan: was the old one. Is that Western? That's what they, that's what they're saying. It's in the West.

Sidey: revisionist

Dan: yeah.

Jamie: I mean, it's Daniel Day-Lewis, so it's, it's a given, isn't

Dan: But they, Like the

Jamie: Will Be Blood, sorry. I'm getting m- myself mixed up. Have You Had Them? Blood.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. And it was, It made a shitload of money. 400 and

Sidey: million. Would you, would you call that Oscar bait?

Dan: Dances with Wolves. Well, back in 1990. It actually has been entered into, like, the archives.

Sidey: Almost every fucking film does in America. But,

Dan: maybe.

Sidey: 'cause I've get that in my stat- in my trivia on loads of films when I was doing my research. But he never seemed to get o- he had like a real hard on for making three-hour-long movies after that, didn't he? Yeah. Kevin Costner, 'cause yeah, they're like the "Postman," fucking "Waterworld" and all that. It's like-

Jamie: and then it's like- And then he had

Sidey: chill, man. You can... an hour and a half is fine. You can a- you can still have a good film that's an hour and a half

Jamie: for forever ... yeah, yeah, fine. He can, he can still have a good film. It's not a hard one. The Postman's one of the most chronically underrated movies ever, by the

Sidey: I've never seen it.

Jamie: It's fantastic

Dan: fantastic.

Sidey: Yeah, we struggle with nominations like that. Riggs, Riggs has never seen, and this will shock you, Lawrence of Arabia.

Jamie: Give me some pills to clutch, please.

Dan: Yeah, I know. So

Sidey: nominated it to enforce him, enforce his watchiness of it, and he fucking skipped it. He still wait-

Dan: skipped it. He, he, he, he took a, he took a holiday. He's just missing out on

Sidey: did, so we, we- It's a good movie ... we do the intro about what have you watched this week. He'd be like, "Oh yeah, I watched like, you know, Leprechaun one, two, three, four and five." Yeah. "Oh, didn't have time to watch Lawrence of..." It's like, "Sorry,

Dan: what?" Yeah. He even watched Cats, didn't he?

Sidey: Yeah. Well, that was...

Dan: which was awful. But yeah, Dances with Wolves Kevin Costner yeah, the first of his, you know, three-hour movies

Jamie: Right. So I can't do my next one 'cause you did it. My last one is Portia Crystal, who's from the animated musical Sing 2.

Dan: Oh.

Sidey: Hear me out.

Dan: I liked that Sing, actually.

Jamie: actually. Yeah. Great movie. Watch it with the kids. You can enjoy it as an adult. Soundtrack's brilliant. She's voiced by Halsey, the musician- Right ... who does some brilliant songs. Mm. And has a real good sort of a- arc of, you know, being a spoiled brat with no talent, nepo baby, and then, you know, turns into actually being quite a good person who you don't hate. Which is the storyline of many of the actors who are in that film. So, yeah. And she's got a fantastic really, like, Brooklyn accent, which I, yeah, I love to see. So she gets, she gets in my, the, the last entry on my

Sidey: list. Okay. No, right, band I fucking love, Spiritualized, and in the '90s they released an album called Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space, and when they were touring that at the time, people, like musical people who were l- you know, fans of live music, would basically describe them as being... It, like, this guy th- th- that was the brains behind Spiritualized had assembled, like, one of the just great touring rock bands, but he's a bit of a lunatic. He was a heroin addict, and one day he just sacked them all. They were Mike Mooney, Damon Reece, and Sean Cook. So they said, "Right, fuck you," and they formed their own band called Lupine Howl Right. And their first album was called "The Carnivorous Lunar Activities of Lupine Howe."

Jamie: Oh, I like how you tied that

Sidey: like how you tied that in. It wasn't very good, unfortunately- No ... 'cause it turns out that the guy that wrote all the songs for Spiritualized was really the brains behind it.

Dan: Okay. So that's

Sidey: why you have kind of like session musicians who are great- Yeah But maybe not the best songwriters. They did a second album and then they disappeared after that, and just after that is my nom.

Dan: Okay. You remember the the animations when we were kids and there was your three little pigs? Yeah. And, and so- "I'll huff and I'll puff" Yeah. "And I'm gonna huff and puff and blow your house down." I'm not sure actually what the... Was it Hanna-Barbera or was it Disney or was it whatever? I can't remember who, who did them, but somebody out there will know. That's not my nom. I was gonna mention the direwolves on Game of Thrones, Yeah ... 'cause they're big old wolves and things. Dire wolves.

Sidey: Snow's, wasn't it? Yeah.

Jamie: was Sansa's... Not Lady was Sansa's, Nymeria was Arya's.

Sidey: Arya's.

Dan: Yeah, they were loyal, loyal wolves. But my nom is going to be actually it's almost like documentary stuff. I- it's on a channel called Sustainable Human, but you can get it on anything else. It's about 20 minutes long, and it's called How Wolves Change Rivers. I don't know if ever y- you've seen it before but it is a a documentary piece on exactly that, how wolves in Yellowstone National

Sidey: Park- Right

Dan: changed the ri- rivers. They reintroduced wolves into the park,

Sidey: for a laugh or did they think that

Jamie: that- Just, just, just to-

Sidey: it was gonna-

Dan: It's the last one of those things ... just, just, just to, just to see what would happen. Now, the deer population had, had built up. Right. So they brought in these natural predators, which then obviously predated on, on the deers. The deers then changed their behavior, and because they were no longer eating the, the grass down by the riverbank, that, that grass turned into little tree saplings. The tree saplings did root, and then the rivers ended up meandering in a different direction- Right ... because of these. So it was how this kind of introduction of, of a species had changed the whole landscape of Yellowstone National Park, and it was quite

Sidey: cool ... we've seen "The Simpsons" where Bart introduces toads into

Dan: Australia. You can see what happens. Yeah. You see how it all goes wrong.

Sidey: yeah Nomination?

Jamie: So do I pick from my top five? Well, yeah. 'Cause my honorable mention was Rainier Wolfcastle from The Simpsons. Yeah. Who's their Arnold Schwarzenegger, who might not be as profoundly important as, you know, saving Yellowstone, but to me is, you

Sidey: you know, We always like to get a Simpsons one in there.

Jamie: Yeah. So Ra- Rainier Wolfcastle's my nom.

Dan: Nice.

Sidey: Okay, I'm going for Oz. Anyone know where he's from?

Jamie: Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Seth Green.

Sidey: Yeah. He plays in the band- Like

Jamie: vamp-

Sidey: ding- Dingoes Ate My Baby, and he is, like, the real,

Jamie: polar opposite. Like, he's

Sidey: polar opposites of, like, he's a wolf, a werewolf, sorry, but he's also, like, completely stoic, like, almost mute character who doesn't... He's completely calm. He dates Willow. It's my favorite period of Buffy when they're together. And it's not like American Werewolf where he gets mauled on the North Yorkshire Moors. He gets bit by his toddler cousin, I think. Yes. At a, a, a house pa- a, a, you know, family gathering. He gets... Like, a toddler just bites him, and that's where he gets it from. Huh. And they have strict guidelines for how to deal with his werewolf problem. So three days before and three days after the new moon, he is caged in the library in the school. But he does eventually get out and cause... There's another werewolf comes to town called Veruca, I think. And that goes Pete Tong. He ends up leaving town to try and get over it, and he goes to I think some Tibetan monks. And then he's able to, through the power of I guess meditation- Meditation ... or whatever- Yeah ... not transform until he comes back to town, and he sees Willow, who is now dating Tara? No,

Jamie: Ta, yeah, that sounds about right

Sidey: Tara, yeah. Something like that. Is that right? And he sees them together, and he fucking loses it again, and I think he kills someone. He might kill

Jamie: werewolf equivalent of like No Nut November?

Sidey: Veruca in like No- not November. Yeah. But he was great. He was really cool. I really like Seth Green. Like, he never hit these highs again, I don't think, really.

Jamie: We'll watch Eckhen

Sidey: Yeah, and Dr. Evil's son, Scott, who was quite funny but not as, like, epic as this. So yeah Oz from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. We need- Two more ... two more nominations from our,

Dan: listeners. Two more howling wolves.

Sidey: let us know what you're putting in.

Dan: in. I'm gonna take a piss. I'm gonna take

Sidey: I'm gonna take this. All right. Don't turn it off. Just leave it on. Like leave it here? Leave it here but on, yeah.

Dan: No, I'll nick it while he wants a piss.

Sidey: it back to you once it wasn't, yeah. Right. Let us make a go at it. Anything? No, all good, mate. Yeah, 'cause when we, we used to have, like, the proper mics as you'd expect a microphone to look, and all recording into one unit, so I just have one SD card. But these, they're a fucking ball ache. So they only record half an hour files, so I have to patch them together, and then if

Jamie: if you

Sidey: stop one recording, then I have to re-sync it all.

Jamie: Oh, it sounds like

Sidey: really fucking complicated

Jamie: fucking complicated. I'm gonna have a sit here.

Dan: there. How

Sidey: Don't pay

Jamie: How, am I doing? Done.

Sidey: Yeah, sound

Jamie: Did not, I thought of all the ones that I had. Moro

Sidey: from 61

Jamie: Mononoke would not be the one we had in common

Sidey: can't believe I didn't think of Rainier Wolfcastle when it's so good

Dan: But, but

Jamie: There's another Simpsons one that when I was going down, my lads be a real pretentious twat about it, which is Ralph Wiggum. If you look at, if you take it through the old Germanic route, means chief of the wolf council

Sidey: wolf council- ...or the

Jamie: wise chief of the wolf's council. It's like I, I really hope someone somewhere in The Simpsons writing room made that up, made him the thickest guy ever There's weather happening I was trying to remember, Sadie. Sure, yeah. Ray Winstone's character in The Departed. Is it not, Wolfy?

Dan: Remember Sadie? I am

Sidey: i'm trying to remember, Sadie Here I am Ray Winstone's character in The Departed. Is it that movie? Oh, it might be. I haven't seen that for fucking yonks That needs a rewatch because I didn't like it when I first saw it for some reason

Jamie: it's Oscar to beat that one. It takes forever

Dan: I didn't- Yeah, it's, it's the Boston bit, though, and it takes

Sidey: Well, wasn't it a sort of remake/heavily inspired by- Hard Boiled?

Jamie: Hard boiled? Yeah

Sidey: Yeah. Wasn't there a-

Dan: Lola,

Sidey: she was a showgirl Oh gonna have to watch most of the first half of this, mate, as well

Dan: crack that. Is the

Sidey: Yeah, crack that open.

Dan: bottle opener.

Sidey: Oh, yes, it's

Dan: there.

Sidey: the, And something,

Jamie: please to use your facilities?

Sidey: you usually store the keys? You sure can. Under the stairs,

Dan: if you know this kind of layout of the

Sidey: if you know This kind of layout of the house. I know where stairs are. Through, yeah. So it's under there. In, left. Second, yeah. In- You'll find it ... I wonder if you'll spot the picture on the wall that's gonna freak you out. What one's that? Vanda, 'cause we both work with her. Ah, right. Yeah, yeah. She's lovely. I like her She rubs a few people up the wrong way at work. Oh, does she? Yeah, it's quite funny. Fucking, that's probably why she

Dan: gets Yeah,

Sidey: gets on with Jana. She's so outspoken. Like Jana's just at work, she goes sometimes with her kids, she says, "I would just smack them in face." "Yeah, Jana can't do that." Nah. "I would." She sort of like listens to you and goes, "Yeah, but I would, 'cause that's what they need," you know? My, I'm fairly sure you can't do that, Jana

Dan: Jana.

Sidey: my auntie was a teacher in London for like- London town ... schools that were like a little bit rough or whatever. And there'd be a lot of like kids there from the Asian subcontinent, shall we say. And some of the parents would say, "Listen, you know, if my, if my kid doesn't behave themselves, you hit." And she's like, "I can't. Like I wouldn't do that anyway, but I, I'm certainly not allowed to hit the, the kid." I've, I've given you permission. And they go, "No, no, it's fine. Like I've given you permission." She's like, "No, no, it's still not fine." It's still not

Jamie: the, the thing

Sidey: the- Yeah ... the thing that we do I saw there was some I guess kid from like Indian family and he got 14 GCSE A stars. He's getting up at in the morning and, and the old man's going, "Oh yeah, you know, he had this routine." It's like, yeah, you were probably like fucking beating him, making him fucking get up and saying, you know, "You've gotta become a doctor or you're a failure," and that sort of shit. 14 A. stars there. Yeah. Fuck that.

Dan: you've-

Jamie: That's right It's like you've

Dan: Them poor kid can't fucking string two sentences together,

Jamie: Oh, God.

Dan: but you stick him in the in front of a

Sidey: a-

Jamie: of a

Dan: An exam and you can do whatever

Jamie: I love the

Dan: I loved the cafe. Thanks for inviting me. Always a pleasure, my friend. Thank you very much. It's, Yeah, the missus-- This is, like, what I'm kind of responsible for. She does the rest. So,

Sidey: and you call the veg

Dan: can s- It's important to have ... you can see the difference. I try to st- I try to stay in here as much as possible when she's, when she's at home.

Sidey: I haven't seen anybody does anything there. That was a

Jamie: I don't see any effectors if it's in there

Sidey: from, from work on- Is that her? ... on the side of the fridge. Yeah, she's

Dan: good friends with my wife. My wife. My wife. I'm

Jamie: My wife,

Dan: Vanda.

Jamie: I'm jealous of your wife. I'd rather be in the

Dan: you might wanna... We... Your,

Sidey: wife. I'd love to check- You might wanna re... Your, Oh, yeah. Bring it down a bit. It's muffled- Your mic is muffled under your- onto your

Dan: muffled under your

Jamie: I just ruined all that recording

Sidey: It's,

Dan: It's, No, I think it was all right before that. But just so it's got a clear- Yeah.

Sidey: too close or too... Like, like Goldilocks, like- Clear? Yeah. All right,

Dan: the volume- You're going just right

Sidey: Right. Notes.

Dan: Yeah, they w- they work together. No, they don't work together. They're friends together. They used to work together at at Samurai School. But then Vanda left to go to, to your place.

Sidey: We started on

Jamie: left to go to, to your place. We started on the first day. Same first day.

Dan: Oh, did you? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so that was like, yeah, that'd make sense because a few years ago because she just, I think almost the week that, or the month that Jana started there, Vanda left the, the, job. But they knew each other before then. Nice.

Jamie: I see.

Sidey: 'cause

Dan: daughter and her daughter are good friends.

Sidey: Nice. Okay, cool So we have, we're in the midst of, in Jersey, like, Marty Scorsese season at the local multiplex, aren't we?

Dan: the local cinema, aren't we? Yeah. Yeah. He's

Sidey: just- This has- ... brilliant movies

Dan: brilliant movies. Has this

Sidey: been on or it's going to be on. I can't remember. I think

Dan: of

Sidey: this one's been on. It's "The Wolf of Wall Street," obviously- It's- ... because we're in

Dan: Casino's tomorrow. I'm gonna go and check that out. But I think they have done Wolf of Wall Street. This would be a cracker to go and see on the big screen.

Sidey: Yeah, I didn't the first time round. I think I saw it... I didn't realize, I think, I was so far in, I guess, into parenting that I didn't actually realize this was a Scorsese movie the first time round.

Dan: I didn't actually realize this was a Scorsese movie the first time around. Oh, really? Yeah.

Sidey: Like when it... I knew, by the time I saw it, I knew that it was, but I th- I didn't know that it was, like, a new Scorsese film. Marty. Yeah. Of course, like, it's the nth film collaboration he's done with, Leo ... Leo. And it's the story of Jordan Belfort-

Dan: and

Sidey: and his rise to making a billion jillion pounds every day.

Dan: Yeah. And just off the bat, I really like DiCaprio in this one. I think he's, he's,

Jamie: sells it well.

Dan: Yeah, he does sell it well.

Sidey: It's, it's a long one, so let's not, like, go into the nitty-gritty of, like, every fucking

Dan: No. It is based on a true story- Yeah ... as you said.

Jamie: Loosely based, I would say.

Sidey: I

Dan: loose- loosely based. Yeah. And there's some brilliant kind of cameos in there, him joining

Sidey: the- Well, I think the, the very first scene we see and I- it might not be the, the, but the, the... It's the door, the little people being thrown at the target. Yeah. C- and then it flashes to then how he starts out. So we see the level of debauchery and, like, outrageous behavior that they get up to in the office first. Excuse me. And then it takes it back to him with his, his original partner.

Jamie: There's a scene, then there's a voiceover with tons of exposition in the first half an hour, and that didn't give it away to you that it's a Scorsese?

Sidey: No, I mean, I, when I saw it, I knew it was Sc- but I just didn't know- Oh, right, okay ... when people were talking about it, I didn't know it was a Scorsese movie then. When, by the time I got to see it, I did know. But yeah, there is all that stuff. So obviously when he starts out, he... What's his job before he goes into Wall Street? Is he even doing anything?

Jamie: I think we're on the same as, his, his, his first day and he's just done his series, whatever exam, and he meets

Sidey: no, he, first of all, he's just get- he's just in the door, isn't he? And the guy's going, "You're low, you're worse than pond scum. You're nothing." Yeah. And you g- I, you didn't quite know if he's

Dan: he's just saying, "Yes, sir.

Sidey: He's going, "Yeah, okay." Three pumps, sir. And then he gets led through the office to, and he's like, "Your job is to fucking just, just dial the phone to anyone. Get me, get me connected to people. Just, you know, you can't do anything. You're not allowed to do anything until you do your exam. You're scum." And just like getting berated by this guy, and then it turns out that this guy is, whilst he's a higher up than Jordan Belfort, he answers to Matthew McConaughey. Yeah.

Dan: Matthew McConaughey?

Sidey: Yeah. So he's starting to learn the dynamics, and he says like just straight away from day one, he was like hooked on it. It's the way that they talk to each other, the sort of energy in the office, the fucking bullshit that's going on. And,

Dan: well, that's it. He's a- he's addicted to it ... McConaughey takes him aside

Sidey: takes a shine to him, says, "Right, I'll take you." 'Cause he, he sort of stands up for himself and answers back, you know, gives a bit of shit out. He's like, "What? We'll go to lunch."

Dan: You have a lunch with me-

Sidey: scene. It is a, it is

Dan: Great scene ... and it is a, it is a great scene. He's giving him the tips on how to survive in this world. And McConaughey

Sidey: I can't remember his- The first is that you've got to wank twice a day. Yeah. He's going, "How, how

Dan: He's going, "How, how many times do you jerk off?" And he goes, "W- w- what?" You know, he's really uncomfortable with it. He's already said, "I'll have water instead of like a, a vodka tonic or whatever." M- McConaughey's drinking- He's

Sidey: drinking. He's doing coke at the table. He's doing, yeah, doing s- Yeah

Jamie: doing lines

Dan: at the table ... and he's do- yeah, doing s- doing lines at the table. And "How many times do you jerk off?" And he goes, "You know, a couple of times a week." "They're rookie numbers. You gotta get your, you gotta get your numbers right up if you wanna make it in this game." You know, he's saying, you know, "I'll be four, five, six times a day,"

Jamie: or whatever . It's like, I don't know I love... Like, that's my, my favorite part of that whole movie is, is that interaction because the sort of sound effects and the way that McConaughey just does all these little

Dan: He starts doing very- A lot of it was ad libbed as well ... a lot of it,

Jamie: as well. It's all ad-lib. A lot of it, they you know, the famous

Sidey: punt- Yeah ... or

Jamie: Buggy says Mike. But you know, that's, that was his warm-up. Yeah. But I genuinely believe that that, you know, what, seven minute perhaps interaction- Yeah ... saved Matthew McConaughey's career because up until that point, he wasn't really getting much, and then after that he was getting a lot of stuff, and I think it, it just sort of through not even acting to the script, it- Yeah it showed off his chops quite a

Sidey: a lot.

Dan: lot. Just showed how cool he is, yeah. And he

Sidey: of explains how it works, and Jordan Belfort's still like, he's so green and he's thinking, "Oh, we're just trying to do this for the clients." And he's like, "Well, you know, the clients might make some money, but who gives a

Dan: That's a

Sidey: we'll just take that and reinvest that, and, and every time we do anything we're making commission," so..." yeah.

Jamie: it's all, it's, it's all, it's all nothing. It's all... It doesn't exist. Yeah.

Dan: the, yeah, their money is- Yeah ... is like what they might get next week, you're getting this now. You're pulling out these kind of figures. You're getting your commission right now, and that's what we're getting. And as soon as he pretty much starts and gets his, like the

Sidey: be his first day after his exam. It's, he's- Yeah. Yeah ... it just says, it flashes up with the date, and you might not necessarily know the date off the top of your head, but they tell us straight away it's the big crash, stock market crash.

Dan: And they're laying everyone

Sidey: laid off. I think they, the firm just goes that day, doesn't it? Like McConaughey looks at the screen and goes, "Fuck." Yeah. And they're, it's just gone. And he's out of work. Mm.

Dan: and he's out of work. And he's still optimistic. He's still young. He's he's still got a desire to become, you know, the, the man that he wants to be, a, a

Sidey: pitching to his wife that he'll, he could do some sort of shite job outside of work. And she's like, "You don't wanna... You're not gonna go and do that." And then she spots in the, in the back of a-

Dan: small ads

Sidey: his small print, Stocks ... this, this place that's still trading, and he's like, "In this economy?" Penny stocks. So he goes along and it's Spike Jonze that he meets there. And it, it's like, it's in a strip mall sort of thing, and it's just guys in like trackies

Jamie: Disgusting ... like disgusting- I, I love

Dan: It's disgusting. It's- All,

Jamie: that, like, when he shows up for the interview and he's got the, you know, the, the suit and the tie and it, and it just, it just reminds me of The Inbetweeners, the, the guy who on his first day with the briefcases. I was like, "Wow. Yeah, you're, you're, you're in the wrong crowd here, mate."

Dan: Yeah. They, they can't believe know, what he actually does once he's got the chance because he can sell,

Sidey: you know- Well, they... He sort of explains it to him, doesn't he? He says, 'cause obviously he's an actual Wall Street guy, albeit he'd only been there, you know, a very short amount of time, and they're saying, "Yeah, well, we sell these stocks," you know, "There's this one." And, and despite... He can't even like get the name right, and they flash up a,

Dan: a

Sidey: a shot of where the business is, and it's just some guy's shed. Yeah. You know, it's like,

Jamie: aerodyne.

Dan: Yeah. That's

Sidey: a bit Terminator-y, didn't it? And he says, well, and he says, "Yeah, whatever we sell, you know, we're able to sell onto these guys and we take 50%." And he's like, "Whoa, whoa, hang on a minute. You're telling me I sell 10,000 worth of this stock-" I keep 5,000 of that." And they're like, "Yeah." 'Cause I used to take, I used to take 1%, now we take 50, and you can see that change, that's a game changer for him. the

Jamie: guy says, "If you, if you can sell $5,000 worth of these socks, I will take you outside and blow you myself" or something along those

Sidey: So immediately, like he's on the phone, and it's just, you know, these are-

Dan: Sales power,

Sidey: but it, but they're adverts in like tit mags and, you know, these are just like absolutely hoodwinking idiots into like these completely like

Dan: mortgage payments- Yeah on, on crap stocks.

Sidey: And he just sells this it's got a techy sounding name. He just says to this guy on the ph- he gets this guy on the phone that this has got military applications. It's gonna be sold, you know, in all likelihood it was gonna be sold to the government for military and all this. And and then you can see everyone just crowding around the desk, just like listening in going, "Holy shit, this, this guy can do sales." And I think he, he convinces the guy to do four grand or something like that. Yeah.

Dan: And he just from then builds it,

Sidey: So one phone call, he's made two grand. He's like,

Jamie: So I, I, I don't know. I, I m- I might have to talk to my wife. It's like, "Okay, Bobby, but if, if, if he's gonna this gonna..." He's like, "Fucking make it six." Like,

Sidey: "Yes, Bobby." There

Dan: There you go. That's it. And, and all the time as he's, he's building his kind of reputation within the firm, he's getting other people in, and there's salesmen who had started out in the penny stocks as well, and he realizes, "I've-- I need to go out onto my own and do this." And It's soon after this he's, he's... rolls up in his, his nice new car- He's just

Sidey: just in a diner, isn't

Dan: yeah, he meets, Donnie ... it will be Donnie, who recognized him from his building, and he goes, "What, what, what do you do as a job, if you don't mind me asking?" He goes, "Oh, I sell stocks." He go, "How much did you make?" And he goes, "Well, I made, like, I don't know, $80,000 last month or something." He goes,

Sidey: goes, "You made 80,000?" He's like, "Fuck off. Fuck off." He goes,

Dan: he goes, "You live in the same building as me. Like, I've seen you. There's no way you're making..." He goes, "Look, I'll show you." "You do that, I'll quit my job right now, and I'll come work for you."

Sidey: Next thing he's on the phone, isn't he? Yeah. He's on

Dan: on the phone. He's on

Jamie: show me how Pete's on.

Sidey: Paulie. And, and

Dan: and you see these two just connect. They're they're absolute you know, just mad men- There's

Sidey: little flash forward and he, and they're in a bar, and he says, "I just want to, you know, I hear stuff, you know. It's like-" I don't really, I don't really like pay attention to it normally, but you know, he's like really like a bit sheepish about it. He goes, "This stuff about you and your cousin," says

Dan: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, no, I... 'Cause the narration takes over, doesn't it? He goes, "I'd, I'd heard that he'd kind of married his cousin." And he goes so just trying to

Sidey: clear it up." Yeah. Yeah. It's my-

Dan: "No, it's, it's, it's like my, my mum, her- Her

Sidey: Her brother's kid. Her

Dan: is his daughter." Yeah. Is her daughter.

Sidey: It's his grew up hot.

Dan: you're like, "Yeah, your cousin, but she grew up hot. And what? And let somebody else fuck my cousin?" It's, like, disrespectful. No.

Jamie: It's like, aren't you worried about about

Sidey: disrespectful. No. Aren't you worried about about the kids? Oh, yeah, no, we have

Jamie: they're not fucked. They're not retarded

Sidey: we have two kids. We have two kids, yeah. And are we not worried about the retarded thing? He's like, "Nah, no, no, they're fine." And you're like, "Okay, wow."

Dan: I would just kind of drive him off somewhere and, and leave him there, say, "You're

Jamie: there. He's a

Sidey: free now.

Dan: yeah, really kind of just crazy fucking guys. What, what is it? Yeah.

Jamie: the teeth. Th- those teeth are just-

Sidey: that his first thing is his fucking tombstone white teeth- ... and his crazy clobber that he wears. And straight away they start making, you know, loads of money on this stuff. So I think Donnie treats him to, like, having a go on the crack pipe. That's his fucking thank

Dan: he goes having a go on that. And

Sidey: operation, so he gets in his, his old,

Jamie: he gets in his, his aunt, like

Sidey: mob, you know- Yeah ... his

Dan: stock mob,

Sidey: Chinese

Dan: are all characters ... the guy with the fucking,

Sidey: mob who are- Including the guy with the fucking, like, most epic wig of all time. It's so great. So he also has to-

Jamie: system.

Sidey: And it very quickly,

Dan: he

Sidey: realizes how to turn it into a machine, so he gives them a script. This is how you do the fucking sales, you know. And it's all about just being on the phone, being like super enthusiastic, but obviously bullshitting. But just American sales, you know, they just convince you that, you know-

Dan: he's doing it, he's, he's sort of middle fingers up- Yeah ... to the phone telling the, the guys, "Yeah, you should

Sidey: Doing all these gestures. Yeah. And they're,

Dan: they're laughing their heads off in the background.

Sidey: them laughing. And

Dan: as soon as they make the sale and he puts down his phone, "I'm gonna get my people to talk to your people. We're gonna get that closed straight away." They're pissing themselves laughing 'cause they know they're ripping people off. They give zero fucks about it. And they're able to then create this new firm and with his brand and his marketing called, was it West

Sidey: Stratton

Dan: Straight Outta Oakmont. Straight, Straight Outta Oakmont, yeah. Well, he's doing that sort

Jamie: montage scene where you have the sell me this pen bit

Sidey: doing that sort of montage scene where you have the- Yeah ... "Sell me this pen" bit where- That's when Jordan Belfort, Jordan Belfort comes in and he's like, this is when he's all trying to like really weaponize the sales system and he's like, "You need to sell me this pen." And none of them can do it. And Jordan Belfort's like, I need you to fucking write down your name for me." And he's literally like, "That's how you do it. You know, you just, you create a demand." Create demand. Create a demand, you know, create urgency, you know. And they're like, "Oh, okay, wow." And yeah, then you get like a montage of the office grows and it grows and you got 10 people, 50 people, 100 people. And then it, you're straight into the just absolutely fucking like horrendous debauchery.

Jamie: I think it's important to point out at this stage that this film has a lot of montages in it.

Sidey: Mm-hmm. And it's still nearly four hours long . Still... Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie: Imagine if it didn't have the montages.

Sidey: Yeah. There's there's... I guess sometimes they're working, but sort of reminded me of the old days of where I used to work when Friday afternoons were like, not to this extent, but they were... It wasn't month-end drinks, it was Friday drinks basically from lunchtime. But here they have dwarf tossing competitions strippers just entering the building, shaving women's

Dan: heads. Shav- shaving heads for money. What- whatever helps keep morale up and just the crazy alpha sales system going.

Sidey: talks about,

Dan: the news, doesn't it?

Sidey: I mean, we- for the very first time, well, when you see him at the start, he's driving a Ferrari and he says about he's making, at this point, at the peak, 47 million.

Jamie: Which he's pissed off

Sidey: about. 47 million a year, which is a piss him off 'cause it's three-

Jamie: Three million a week's a chai of it.

Sidey: No. Was it 49 million, 3 million less than a million a week? Yeah.

Jamie: I feel those troubles.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Hard times.

Sidey: Good times ... so he, he has to start putting a bit more structure around it. So he, he sort of hires his dad to do some sort of admin role in the work. Can you see who that was?

Jamie: I've... You told me this and it's doing my head in. I can't remember right now.

Sidey: Fucking name's going outta my head now.

Jamie: now. And most of what that guy did was not scripted

Sidey: No. It's, it's Rob Reiner.

Dan: Yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah.

Sidey: But all the while, so he's... It-

Dan: It,

Sidey: the parties sort of go, More and more. And they have a big party in s- it might be his gaff in his summer house or in... Anyway, some big fucking mansion by the sea And he's, he's spoken about how much he fucking loves drugs, and they've got this drug that they're doing at this time called Quaaludes. And he, they do point out in the film that you don't get these anymore. No. And he sort of, he sort of like has a... He's like, "Ah, so you fuckers have all missed out," as in the audience.

Dan: you fuckers have all missed out-" You- "... as in the audience." You've missed out on this. But one, one of the things just before that, that worth mentioning is how he kind of gets famous. He has this interview, doesn't he? He thinks it's going

Sidey: Oh, the, the Wall S-

Dan: and, and that's how he gets

Sidey: New York Times or something ... yeah, the, the name of-

Dan: of Wolf of Wall Street. They just point him out as he's a, he's a real son of a bitch, this guy. He doesn't care about anyone. But the publicity then brings every trader to him, realizes they're all in it for themselves as well. So his CVs are just coming out over the,

Sidey: People are begging to work there

Jamie: Bank-

Dan: to work there. And it's it's a brilliant kind of bit of PR for him, even though it was a, a bad

Sidey: they have so they have their business meetings where to sort of aid in the creative process they take a load of Quaaludes. And they're having one of these meetings whilst there's a massive party going on at their summer house with Steve Madden.

Jamie: Steve Madden. It's my f- all of it.

Sidey: they have this idea of one thing that could give them a bit more credibility if they start doing proper Wall Street stuff, so doing IPOs doing all this sort of shit. And Donnie, it turns out, went to high school with this guy, Steve Madden, who- He's like the Jimmy Choo ... very successful but privately owned company making shoes. So they're gonna... That's the idea they have. But all the while, and then downstairs, Margot Robbie appears on the arm of this fucking douchebag guy at this party, and he's like fucking flies around shit. Like, Jordan's straight down there schmoozing her- They, they don't believe it ... with his wife just

Jamie: Donnie actually get his

Sidey: Yeah, but in a minute. So first of all, he's like, you could tell he's, like, totally into her, and he's just chatting her up. She was obviously taken with him because she's fairly superficial. And this other guy's just like, "What the fuck?" Yeah, he's just- Trying to drag her out of

Dan: talking directly to her. He's, he totally ignored the guy

Sidey: So Donnie's wife comes in and says to Jordan, "Your wife, your wife needs some help with the blah." And he's like, "In a minute. Yeah, in a minute." He's like, "What wife?" And then she looks over, Don's just wanking.

Dan: What

Sidey: She's so hot. What the fuck, Donnie? She's so hot.

Dan: like fucking big- Brilliant. The... And that's it. In a party room, a party full of people, he's just having a w- a wank right there looking at her.

Sidey: You do see his clearly prosthetic penis there, I think. Yeah. Cut to dinner with Naomi and Jordan. Yeah. And he says, The Catherine- She said, "I'm surprised that you asked me out anyway, given that you're married." And he's like, "What? Married people can't have friends?" And she said, "We're not gonna be friends." Yeah. And then he, he gives her a ride home, and she's just got a fucking very, very, let's say micro- legs, yeah, without stockings on. And he's just like, "Oh my God." And she's then, like, announces that she designs lingerie. And he's just like, "Couldn't be harder at this point." Yeah. But then

Jamie: But then it turns out it really could have been harder. Because

Sidey: because she she goes to slip into something a little more comfortable, which means- I

Dan: nothing. At all.

Sidey: that scene absolutely nothing. And he, what has he said? "I fucked her brains out." Pause for 11 seconds. And I was

Dan: For 11 seconds. Yeah. Just thinking,

Sidey: "That sounds pretty good."

Dan: yeah.

Sidey: yeah.

Jamie: Am I still only about one- 19th of the way into the movie at this point? Yeah.

Sidey: but- obviously that, you know, that sort of thing- Blossoms into- ... is gonna get you... You're gonna get caught out with these sort of things, and he does get caught out sniffing coke- What does he? off her tits in a limo. Yeah. Where his wife opens the door, and she's less than thrilled about that arrangement.

Dan: and then that's the end of his wife and his relationship, but he continues with her, and eventually- Well,

Sidey: a whirlwind romance. They, he proposes and they g- they go to Vegas on his stag do. He does say what he spent on the stag do. It's a, like, crazy amount, and they show you the- Millions, yeah ... they show you the flight over. It's just like absolutely outrageous.

Dan: Including, like, the whole refurbishment of a hotel

Sidey: floor. The whole floor, yeah. Yeah. And he has to have two penicillin shots when he comes back for the, so he can consummate the, the marriage. This is when he

Jamie: the, the marriage. It's, it's when he sort of regains a bit of clarity and, and Donny's freaked out by

Sidey: did, and he's like- No, that's, that's on the flight later

Jamie: Is that the flight? Sorry,

Sidey: one, yeah, when he, he has to be restrained in the seat. He, he buys her a wedding gift, Naomi, which he has to take away from the wedding to show her, and it's, like, Sunseeker don't make- Sunseeker ... boats this fucking big. Yeah. It's like, oh, God knows. It's like an Abramovich style- Yeah ... superyacht. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous. She's pretty happy with it. It's like

Dan: that one outside,

Jamie: the other day. Do you

Sidey: Aubin's Bay. They have a d- Do you know who that was?

Dan: other... Did, did you see that? Yeah, that was. Wasn't it Joe Lewis? Joe Lewis, yeah. The,

Sidey: Spurs. Spurs. Spurs owner, yeah. Yeah. I was gonna swim out to it and tell him, "Stop being a fucking prick."

Jamie: tell him to fuck off. Oi. Oi. He's

Dan: oi. Oi, he's still losing. What's going on?

Sidey: In the background of all of this, you've also had Kyle Chandler knocking about as- He's

Dan: FBI. FBI. There's also the SEC- SEC ... and the CIA just turn up all the time. CIA.

Sidey: DEA Agent Patrick Denham. He's FBI. FBI. There's also the SEC. The SEC. They, they just turn up all the time- CIA ... because they're, it's known pretty much that this is-

Jamie: Yeah

Sidey: I mean, his wife well, before he's cheated on his wife, she's saying, "You, you know, this sounds..." You know,

Dan: are you being fair,

Sidey: little bit too good to be true, it probably is." And you know, is this... He's like, "Well, it's pretty legal," like

Dan: I'm sure. Yeah, it's maybe ethically a little bit wrong, and she's not even comfortable with that going full-blown illegal, which is what he's doing now and, and sort of tax evasion and,

Sidey: yeah. He explained Jon Bernthal, who is an actual drug dealer, not Jon Bernthal, this character is. Just, just be clear about that before I, like, litigate myself. He's, his character is a drug dealer. He's also what do they call it? Rat holes or r-r- It's called a rat hole,

Jamie: where he hides the money.

Sidey: He, he holds the stuff sells it on Jordan's behalf, and then just turns up with, like, sackfuls of cash for Jordan that's off the books that he just keeps without any sort of declaration.

Jamie: 'Cause they're about midway through the movie at this point and, and they've made untold amounts of money. But what they're doing at that point isn't actually illegal, and it's, there's a sort of tipping point around there where they start

Sidey: This is the layering,

Jamie: they start doing illegal things when they have no need to. Yeah. And that's when the FBI comes onto his boat and stuff, and you realize it's a sort of, the greed really gets him at this point where, you

Sidey: know, Well, he's got Jon Favreau as a, a lawyer character, and he's got another guy as a kind of lawyer/fixer, and then it's like, you l- you can just, you're legit now. You can fuck all that stuff off. But he, he just can't get over it. He's just-

Dan: Kind of addicted to the lifestyle of it all.

Sidey: He could, but he could still have the lifestyle now. They could just go legit and still be mega wealthy, but it's the hustle and the fucking like- The

Dan: and the hustle, yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: and the hustle, yeah. Yeah. And it, it even gets to the point where, It's a super asshole

Jamie: asshole

Sidey: Jon Favreau's saying, "You know, you need..." They're really on their case. They, they get visits. They get the visits by the FBI onto the boat where he tries to bribe them. Yeah. And-

Dan: Throwing lobster at him. Yeah. Saying, "You're never gonna earn the amount of money I've got here." He's got two prostitutes for

Sidey: Then you get there and the amount of money I've got- I mean, he's got two prostitutes for them. Yeah. And he said, and when they say no, he's like, "Right, well, I'm gonna have her lick caviar off my balls" or something. And then after that Jon Favreau's like, "Look, what you need to do, just you go to the SEC, you make a deal, you know, they'll fine you fucking shitloads. You'll still end up with a load of money. Then you're not a big ticket for the FBI. They'll fuck off probably. That's your best shot at this." Yeah. "Otherwise, they're just gonna keep coming after you till they get you." And his old man's like, "Look-" you know, like in a sort of father to son chat. He's like, "You're already fucking super rich, you know. What's the point of going to prison?" All that sort of shit. I did really enjoy the scene where they explain how his old man's got a fucking real temper on him and someone just phones and he's like, "For fuck's sake, who's fucking phoning the house on a Tuesday night?" And he's like, "Hello?" Yeah, puts, puts on

Dan: on a Tuesday night?" Yeah. And it's like, "Hello?" Yeah, he puts, puts on his telephone voice. "How about ya?"

Sidey: So they do arrange this and this has been memed a million times where he calls, you know, an all all office meeting where, like a town hall where he stands up in front of the whole,

Dan: And he's gonna announce he's leaving ... and

Sidey: he does announce it. He goes through the whole thing and he, there's the lady there that he'd appointed like dead early on and he'd, he'd given her a load of money at the start so that she could pay all her son's tuition and he's like, "Oh." And he, he seems sort of genuinely- Yeah ... like emotional about it and then as he, he sort of talks himself out of it and he goes, and he, you

Dan: of- Just says it really quietly, doesn't he? "I'm not leaving." "I'm not leaving." And everyone's

Sidey: everyone's sort of looking around and he goes, "I'm not fucking leaving."

Dan: Gah. 'Cause they all realize that's

Jamie: then that gets to the most, like, Lord of the Flies scene in the whole movie. Yeah. Yeah. Just total carnage.

Dan: They realize they're all gonna be richer again for the next year or

Sidey: one would be able to take... 'Cause he's saying, "Oh, Donnie can take the reins." It's not, Donnie's not gonna be able to take the reins to the extent that- No ... you know, what he's been able to achieve.

Jamie: And in my memory, this is about the time when Steve Madden comes into the picture.

Sidey: Well, there was the IPO so w- that was further illegality because they secretly owned 85%- The majority of the shares percent of the shares but still held by Steve Madden, so they must have had a side arrangement because once it all starts going Pete Tong, Steve Madden is just ditching all the stock and trying to get his money out. Which is what causes it to sort of go a bit fucking awry. We also get introduced to Joanna Lumley. She plays Naomi's aunt- Auntie ... auntie. Well we meet her actually at the wedding and he comes up to speak to her and he's got like obviously got coke under his nose and she says, "Oh, been been getting involved with the donuts have we?" And he's like, "Oh, do I?" She goes, "Don't worry, I grew up in the '60s, it's fine."

Jamie: the '60s, darling. Don't

Sidey: away ... and so she is used as a as a way to stash money in a Swiss bank account under her name so that he's got like a decent amount of money just out of the

Dan: Decent? It's just obscene amounts of money, isn't it? And- They

Sidey: to do... There's a whole sequence of doing the, the money runs, and it's John Bernthal's wife and family that have to strap all the money to themselves and in suitcases and whatever. 'Cause otherwise it was gonna be something like 50- That's it, it's international ... 50 trips. They managed to do it in about seven trips.

Jamie: 'Cause I b- I love the scene with the the Swiss banker,

Sidey: Where they sort of telepathically, yeah, yeah ... sometimes like, that's

Jamie: you arrogant American piece

Sidey: It's

Jamie: It's like, "Fuck you, your friends are in the monkey."

Sidey: He's, he's told that as long as it, it's not in the name... So the reason it's in Joanna Lumley's name is because she's not guilty of doing anything, so they would never have to, you know, declare anything to the American authorities. If it was in his name and the crimes that he s- you know, the money's been done through illegal trades- And, and this, this right and blah, blah, they would still... The, even the Swiss would still have to d- you know, let the

Dan: But the Swiss are explaining how to, to circumnavigate all the financial fair play rules and everything, and he's got people in able to do that. So, it, it's all going swimmingly well up until, again, the moment that it's not... There's one scene where they're on the bench in the park- More,

Sidey: going- More, more telepathic

Dan: he's going, "Is she coming, is she coming onto me?" And, and he goes, "I fucking think yeah." And he moves in and then you hear her afterwards go, "Is he coming onto me?"

Sidey: Like,

Dan: "Let's just keep this professional. Just make my, my niece happy." And- You,

Sidey: hand... You, you, yeah, you look after my niece and I'll look after the monies. Don't worry about it. I'll sort it out for you. Until... So the net you know, does start to close in on him because they're just living fast and, and wild. And Naomi comes in crying, and he's like, "What's up?" And auntie's snuffed it- Mm from a heart attack out of the blue. And he's obviously devastated because of the money. And she is the sole signatory on all of this account, and this... They're on their... They're actually on their, I'm not gonna call it a yacht, like massive fucking l- cruise liner they've got. And he's like, "Right, we need to go to Switzerland, like right now. Like right now we gotta go." Yeah. And he's saying to the captain, "We gotta go." And he's like,

Dan: "Well-" There's a massive

Sidey: he says there's a bit of chop. He says there's a bit of chop, and he's like, and Donnie's wife's like, "Well, I don't fancy that." And he's like, "No, it's fine. It's fine. Isn't it fine?" He goes, "Captain, it's fine. We got, we gotta go, we gotta go." And he's like, "Mm, I suppose we could like batten down the hatches and, you know, it might be, be, you know, might... A few plates might smash," he says. And he's like, "Few plates, who cares? It's fine. Let's go." And cut to the perfect storm. And the whole thing, it's, it's- It's horrible ... all it is the one bit when the, the captain, I think he calls in a mayday and there's like a 40-foot fucking wave they're about to go over. And so it, like the wave smashes the win- the, the window at the front. Yeah. Like it's completely fucking KO'd the boat.

Jamie: 'Cause I love... We've missed the bit where John Berenthal and Jonah Hill have the fight in the car park.

Sidey: Yeah. Was that just before this one?

Jamie: before. It's like it's part of the same

Sidey: time. It's part, it's his... That's, that's- How

Jamie: falling apart

Dan: that's

Sidey: how he... Yeah, 'cause they hate each other. Yeah. And Donnie's gonna launder, still needs to launder his money through this what- And I'm

Jamie: sure to this day, Jonah Hill still hates John Berenthal because he act- actually hit him. I think everyone- He actually hit him a

Sidey: on the set ... hates Jonah Hill though. Yeah. I think he's quite hated. Yeah. I saw an interview with a guy who does the voice of thingy from How to Train Your Dragon, and he's just openly just like pans around. He's a fucking horrible bastard apparently. It's

Dan: It's a shame because I really wanna like him- Yeah For this film, and he did that brilliant debut directorial debut. Which one?

Sidey: is it?

Dan: the skateboarding one.

Sidey: yeah. Yeah. '90s, Mid-90s ... mid-90s,

Dan: Yeah, which was fantastic movie. But yeah, the... It's all going,

Sidey: all going, It starts to unravel. So John Bernthal, he does time, but he doesn't grass anyone up. He does three months inside. The, the, the fucking cruise liner actually sinks, and they have to be rescued by the Italians, I think. He says the good thing about being rescued by them is they give you wine and fucking loads of food. Is that so? And that's the c- You're saying that's like kind of an ending of the film?

Jamie: I'd say that, that, you know, there are many endings in this movie, and I think this, it's a trope with Scorsese. He, he's never quite figured out how to properly end a film. The fact that most of his gangster movies are based loosely on some kind of real people helps. But in this one, you know, Jordan Belfort had a lot of input in the script, so it's like, I feel like there, there are at least four endings in this film, and that's definitely one of them.

Sidey: Yeah, so that's the boat gone. 'Cause they're going there because the, the Swiss banker guy says, "Well, she might be dead, but we can just get someone to forge her signature before, you know, the news of her being dead like basically hits." Yeah. "And we can still get your money out for you transfer it into someone else's name maybe."

Dan: find a way for you.

Sidey: So that, that goes awry, but he gets he also then gets a phone call from,

Dan: well-

Sidey: it, it sort of... The police sort of get wind of it because, because of the John Bernthal thing in the, in the parking lot. So, so basically Donny starts to really fuck it all up. He does that.

Dan: Well, he's high on drugs and- Then he

Sidey: in and, and- A lot ... into the office, and he's, and there's this sort of mythical batch of Quaaludes called Lemons- Yeah ... that that had been taken out of circulation a long time ago. But some client of Donny's has had some in his safe, and he's got a load of them. So they're gonna sit down one evening and do those. So they take one. Nothing. Must be a dud, or they must have, you know, gone past their sell by date or whatever. Take another, take another couple. And then

Dan: You're in trouble now, aren't

Sidey: He gets a, he gets

Jamie: the bit where he sort of explains the methodology of taking Quaaludes. So it's like you've got to get to

Sidey: the, He gives himself-

Jamie: bit- He gets- ... and then do a bit of this and go over it, and you're okay

Sidey: he makes himself sick. He gives himself an enema 'cause he's like, "I don't want anything fucking with my high," he says. But he gets a call saying, "Don't talk on this phone, but come and speak to me," from his fixer guy, not the John Favreau one, but the other dude. So he goes to his country club, and as he's on the phone, he just starts talking gibberish and it, you know, these Quaaludes have started to hit

Dan: And the

Sidey: guy's like, "Your f- your home phone, your work phone, everything is bugged. Don't fucking say, you know, anything." And he's like, and then he, he gets a call from Naomi saying... 'Cause he's left Donny back at his house, and he gets a call from Naomi saying, "Donny's on the f- like, he's gone mental. He's on the phone to someone." He's like, "Oh, fuck. I can't..." And he's on the phone to the Swiss banker, like, just on a bugged phone, just fucking sort of giving it, but he can't talk well enough, but he's saying enough stuff that could

Jamie: And this, this is the scene where you see it from his perspective, where he's

Sidey: you get two versions of it ... drive home, he's fine. Well, first you see him crawl. Like, I think the physical performance here is

Jamie: you see the first one first. He's like, "I drove home and I was fine." And it shows you the actual

Sidey: still see him crawl and get in the car version of the shot. You still see him... It's only the car drive that you get two versions of. You see him crawl. It takes ages, and he gets in the car and manages to get... He says, "By some miracle I got home unscathed." And then, and then he sort of, he sort of has to sort of fight Donny to get the phone off him to get him to hang up the phone, and he's just, like, comedically all tangled in the wires. Yeah. And then Donny starts to choke, and Naomi can't save him, so he has to come along and he just sort of, like, pounds on his chest till eventually he spits up this bit of ham. And then do they bundle him off? But basically the police turn up and they s- and they say, But, you know, no, he wakes up on the couch, doesn't he? He just flops down on the couch, and then he wakes up with the police there. And they say, "Oh, you need to come with us. Did you drive last night?" And he's like, "What do you mean?" And you see the state of the car. And then he, he remembers- He remembers it ... fucking, he's

Jamie: but he's like just- 'Cause that's the meme I, I send to my wife every time I wake up after being out drunk. Like, the, which one of these was I when I came in?

Sidey: So they, they arrest him for that, and he's taken in, and he's like, "Listen, we've got your bank rights on fucking everything. So you need to cooperate with us or you're fucked. So you're gonna wear a wire. You're gonna go in and you're gonna... We just take the whole crew, basically, and then you... There'll be a bit of leniency, but, you know, you gotta cooperate." So he he goes back to the office with his wire on. And whilst he's talking to Donnie, he just like peels back a, a napkin and says, "Don't incriminate yourself. I'm wearing a wire." And so Donnie's a bit like, "Fuck." He's like, "It's game over, but also I need to be careful what I say." And that meeting kind of like, he doesn't incriminate himself. And the next day at home the FBI like denim turns up and he just waves the, The napkin ... the little note saying, and he's like, "Oh, fuck. I completely fucked it," yeah. But he's in too deep.

Jamie: in, yeah It was at that moment

Sidey: yeah. He also still has time before he goes inside to be a real horrible fucking bastard and knock his wife around. Yeah ... he, he thumps her. He fucks her, or he, he tries to, and she says, "Go on then, fuck me, fuck me, fuck me." And he's like, does another like 11 second job and she said, "That's the last time. I fucking want a divorce. You're out, and I'm taking the kids." And that enrages him, so he goes through, he fucking whacks her in- Yeah ... the dressing room, takes the daughter in the car, but fucking crashes the car. Like it's f- pretty fucking horrendous. Yeah, it's awful. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: yeah. It's a new low.

Sidey: low. Yeah. That, that could be an ending right there. It's

Jamie: of the whole narrative of the film as well. You know, it's kinda- It's

Dan: all been fun and games- Yeah

Sidey: but a

Jamie: the, they make quite light of quite serious subject matter because, you know-

Dan: But there's no making light of that kind of s-stuff.

Sidey: Yeah, but he you know, he's like in prison and then it cuts to... 'Cause that, you could end the movie there with that sort of

Jamie: another one of the

Sidey: point. Slowly. Yeah. But no, he d- he does, I think he does three years maybe.

Dan: Yeah, well he's quite serious.

Sidey: and he's- Well, actually they get him filming an infomercial, don't they? Mm-hmm. He's this really sh- After, you know, four years he's doing this really shit infomercial for like the Jordan Belfort Academy of he'll teach you how to be a salesman- Yeah ... type thing. So they pick him up. I think he does three years, something like that. It's not a long, really long time and it's, you know-

Jamie: does it in the sort of country club

Sidey: prison- white collar crime

Jamie: the hardcore prison.

Dan: Good lawyers.

Sidey: And then we cut to him in, it's in New Zealand and some guy bringing up the best salesman that's there's ever been, you know, blah, blah, here's Jordan Belfort, and he comes out to this sort of crowd of wannabe guys and says... He just goes up to the first guy, he says, "Right, and will you just sell me this pen?" And he just this, the pen sale thing to three people. No one does what Jordan Belfort had managed to do, and it just kind of cuts and you're like, "Okay. The end."

Jamie: The final

Sidey: That's the final end. That's the final end. Yeah.

Dan: The end. The final end. That's the final end. Actually. That's, that's the final end. Yeah, I mean, for a, a story, obviously there's lots of those comedic bits in it that take away- Yes ... from the serious side of what

Sidey: I would say 90% in terms of like the debauchery and the fun that they have

Dan: Which is what you wanna watch a movie about. I, I think around this, you, you wanna have fun

Jamie: wanna see people doing, like, spreadsheets and, you know, financial reporting. And I, I- Or maybe

Sidey: saying- Maybe a nice, maybe a nice VLOOKUP.

Dan: not as, it's not as interesting to you know, it's not a hard drama and things where this is really serious, and look, this is what went wrong. The, it's, it's about, you know, almost, yeah, they did some really bad shit and they ripped off loads of people, including people that it saved all their lives. But we just get to call those people stupid because you're looking at this guy who's ripping him off and he's doing, you know, telling him to fuck off on the, on the phone and everything a- as much as he's being nice to him, and you find it funny and the way that it's done. When it actually becomes a true story, obviously it's like, that's fucking bad. And, and it's only right at the end there you actually maybe have that little window of that's what it actually really was like. That, that, you know, the, his consequences, and he was an asshole here. You know, he's

Sidey: like- Oh, he's a fucking asshole the whole time

Dan: He was an asshole the whole time, but it softens that

Jamie: is, I would imagine, allegedly.

Sidey: Yeah, I would think so, yeah.

Jamie: know, he, he, he still does those sorta sell me a pen courses. He makes a lot of money now legitimately through what Martin Scorsese basically made him the best PR advert ever.

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: through that and after dinner speaking and all that sort of shit. Like who was the guy? Nick, Leeson ... Leeson did the Barings Bank. Yeah. He does, made a fucking fortune. If it's supposed to be a cautionary tale, I don't think it's necessarily- Yeah that successful as, as doing that. I think, I think there'll be loads... I think a lot of the audience of this film will watch it and enjoy, like, all the fun stuff that they get up to, and then they'll probably just turn it off when it gets starts during the next episode.

Jamie: I get that. You couldn't, you couldn't make that a cautionary tale because the, the, the hallmark of a good cautionary tale is something you can relate to. Mm. And I can't relate to being a multimillionaire who'd suddenly decides to commit fraud and cheat on my multiple wives. It's not, you know, it's not a tale I need cautioned on- Yeah ... 'cause I'm never gonna be in that situation.

Sidey: I think probably people will probably look at it, not all people, but p- as, like, aspirational. They wanna, wanna live that fucking life, like all those traders that would turn up on the doorstep. They fucking loved it.

Dan: Well, when you realize the, the slap on the wrist they essentially get for getting away with what they got away with, you're thinking, "Wow." It's only really greed, as it shows in the film, that, that did him. He could've stopped at maybe 100 million pound in the bank and lived his- Absolutely ... his life completely free. And it makes you wonder how many people actually have done that and just managed to stop before,

Jamie: don't think

Dan: they've gone to

Jamie: I think these guys are... It's, it's the same as, you know, going to the bookies every day. It's, it's an addiction these guys have, isn't it? And,

Sidey: addiction ... isn't it? And What we didn't talk about was the really famous scene of when he's pissed off, I think he's- Favorite scene in

Jamie: scene in the whole movie? I think, I

Sidey: think the night before he's been with a dominatrix, 'cause if you see he's got a candle up his arse, and she's dripping wax and he's fallen asleep at home saying her name. She's got a name which could be a country or something. It's like Phoenix or something like that. Yeah. Could be a place from somewhere. So you're sort of able to argue it. And then Naomi's just there with, you know, the short skirt and her legs spread, and she's sort of saying to him- Oh, yeah ... "You're not gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna see this." And you think, "Oh, he's getting absolutely done here." And then he's like, points to the,

Dan: the CCTV

Sidey: the CCTV's hidden in the, Then the two, the two security guys are watching. She's like, "Fuck." Looking these guys. Looking at these guys.

Jamie: at- I feel, I feel that that scene, if such records existed, would, would overtake Sharon Stone- Do you reckon? with the, with the leg crossing. Yeah. I think that's probably the most rewound part of a movie now

Sidey: Yeah. S- like she's absolute knockout. It's just unreal.

Dan: Achingly hot. Yeah.

Sidey: Two h- two hot leads. I mean, Leo's looking good here. Good performance. I did en- I did enjoy this. It's far too long, I would say. I've gone the, take the Chris Spencer vibe here. It's, it doesn't need to be nearly three hours long, this

Jamie: film. I, I, I watched it the same way I watched The Irishman. I watched it as three one-hour specials.

Sidey: Right. Okay.

Jamie: watched it as a three-parter, 'cause it's got very definitive sort of, you know, it's not got like a start, beginning, middle, end. It's got sort of act one, act two, act three.

Dan: three. Yeah.

Jamie: So you can... There's a definite sort of click your fingers, stop there-

Sidey: I

Dan: watched- and start it ... Irishman the, the same way. Yeah. I'm going to see Casino tomorrow at the cinema. I think that's another two, three hours.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Two and a half, three hours. So,

Sidey: oh, the baseball bat at the end's gonna be loud on the- Yeah fucking cinema. It's, it's gonna be, What's gonna be louder is the, "I got your fucking head in

Dan: gonna be,

Jamie: loud on the- Yeah, it's, it's gonna be, Well, it's gonna be louder is, "I got your fucking head in a vice."

Dan: Yeah. All, all that kind of

Jamie: They missed out one of the best scenes in the, The Wolf of Wall Street, which is when they come home and the gay butler's been having a-

Sidey: yeah. The gang bang ... massive gay orgy.

Jamie: orgy.

Dan: on. Y-

Sidey: And he's like, "And one was right here," where he's... He's like, "Ugh."

Dan: "Ah." And they're hanging out- hanging him out the

Sidey: the building afterwards. Yeah, they go full

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's it. It's made

Jamie: they go full Casino

Dan: the, it's made up of loads of, of really good little montages, good little scenes and

Sidey: long. It's just like- I,

Dan: Your point there where watching up until the shit starts kinda tumbling down is probably where I switched it off- Yeah ... a little bit later than that, which I... That's why I said to you I didn't watch the, the probably the, the last quarter of, of the movie this time. I've seen it a couple of times before. But yeah, certainly the, the bits where things are going well, life is looking good, and he's actually winning were the most enjoyable bits, even though he's being an absolute asshole with it all. Don't know what that says about me. ... But I en-

Sidey: overall. Mm. I don't know what that says about me. But

Jamie: but

Sidey: I

Dan: I still enjoyed it. Still a, a good movie.

Jamie: it's, a good movie. It's an enjoyable movie.

Dan: I probably won't now watch it for a good few years. Oh, yeah. You know- I understand

Sidey: a few times ... it's, it's

Dan: ticked off for me. But if you

Jamie: movie you can enjoy as much watching sort of YouTube shorts

Dan: shorts about it- Yeah

Jamie: you can.

Dan: Oscar noms. Best picture, best director, best actor, best supporting actor, Jonah Hill, and best adapted screenplay. And it won none.

Jamie: It's 'cause it got Scorsese.

Dan: Mm. Cursed.

Jamie: Mm. Cursed.

Dan: What did win that year? Do you know?

Sidey: Other things. Other things. Yeah. It's been... I don't know, to be honest with you.

Jamie: Wait, is that the actual thing that won or you just

Sidey: No, I'm just saying other things won. Other things. Yeah. It's hard

Jamie: No, I was- It's hard to tell sometimes

Dan: what

Sidey: what... 'Cause what year was it? Not that I would know.

Jamie: It's, it's longer ago than anybody would care to admit

Sidey: you're kidding me. 2013. Christ, that's gone quick,

Dan: Somebody knows. They're shouting now. They know what it was.

Sidey: who knows, they're shouting now. They know what it was. Yeah. But what are we saying? I would say still a strong recommend.

Dan: Yeah. I would seriously say a strong recommend. I, I particularly liked you know, five or six scenes here. Instantly quotable. I'm gonna try and keep my numbers up and,

Sidey: so good.

Jamie: Stick with it I agree. It's, it's, it's definitely one of those have to watch it. If, if you can watch it without having heard anything about it, it'd be better, but it's definitely a must-watch.

Sidey: Yeah. Strong

Dan: Strong

Sidey: Another, well, wolf week, what do you reckon? Was it pretty good? Pretty good

Dan: pretty good-

Sidey: I don't know. But that is another week done and dusted. We probably will have Riggs and... No, Riggs is up, I think he's away for two weeks, actually. Is he? Yeah, I think so. Okay. But Chris, Chris will be

Dan: Hope he brings us back some nice rouge

Sidey: I don't know what the noms are gonna be. Don't know whose choice it's gonna be. But we'll- but we'll sort something out like we always do. All that remains is to say, Sidey signing out.

Dan: Dan's gone.

Sidey: Bye.

Dan: Such good partners