Gangs/Revolutions & True History of the Kelly Gang

True History of the Kelly Gang

dan: No, that's that's a taste sensation right there.

reegs: there so Dan, you were just about to explain a brief period in your life when you wore a nappy that was in your adult years.

dan: Yeah.

cris: Yeah.

Sidey: was a totally normal conversation we were having about wearing adult

dan: it was totally normal conversation we were having about wearing adult diapers. As you get to a certain age, you know, incontinence kicks in. And we were having this conversation, and for a joke I was bought some of these nappy kind of pants a few years ago.

reegs: But you thought you'd try them out?

dan: Yeah, 100% I'm gonna try them out. Like, Sidey, how much do they cost on, on

Sidey: Pound of piss. Pound of piss. Just looked. Subscribe and save.

reegs: Pound a- is that what they're called, pound a piss? No.

Sidey: No, but it's 15 in a pack, and it's 15 pounds exactly. So they- Okay ... there's quick

reegs: It's brilliant ... is that... So isn't that quite hard to do, to piss yourself as a, as an adult?

Sidey: I'm more concerned about the aftermath because then you're sitting in- Piss ... I know that it does wick it away. Yeah. But still.

cris: But was it only once, or is it more? So you can do it... So you... Let's say you're,

Sidey: Only one way to find out.

reegs: Did you ever piss when I was in the room? In... Di-

dan: I don't think I used them with you guys. It was a, it was a family affair.

reegs: Of course it was,

cris: the safety of his own. Yeah,

reegs: the, In

dan: in the safety of, of my own tribe. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

dan: But yeah, I used them, and it was quite funny 'cause they're, they are these big blue underpants essentially. Mm. And sometimes you know, you're watching TV the toilet's like all the way over there, and

reegs: just go- It's gotta be... in your house from the TV to the toilet, it's gotta be a good

Sidey: 15, maybe 10

reegs: 15, maybe 10 paces.

dan: Yeah. Yeah. And or you've gotta go upstairs if somebody's downstairs, or you just let it go, Riggs. You just let it go. And know

Sidey: Like being in a pool, like being in a swimming pool. Yeah. I've never been in a body of water and not pissed in it. Okay.

reegs: Yeah

cris: Really? What, like in a, in a jacuzzi, you just piss in it?

Sidey: Yeah. Plunge pool with me and Dan, just the two of us. Pissed.

reegs: When we were in the jacuzzi in

Sidey: I've been in, I've been in the cold pl- Did you piss? I've been in, I've been in the cold plunge. Yeah, of course. And someone else gets in and just dunks their head under the water, and I'm like, "I've just pissed."

cris: I'm like, "I've just pissed in here." Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. And when it's- The hot spot

reegs: the hotspot in the cold

Sidey: plunge.

dan: sometimes people get in, into the the cold plunge at the, the spa after the sauna when they've been sweating.

Sidey: Yeah or they- They deserve it. They deserve it then ... they go in

dan: straight away and they haven't had a shower, and they're straight in there. Yeah. And you think, "You dirty bastards. I hope you enjoy the

Sidey: in the-" "... in the spa

dan: that I've just done."

Sidey: Yeah.

dan: But yeah, the, the underpants are something I think we should definitely revisit and maybe do as a, a communal kind of,

Sidey: yeah. Is this the intro? Is there a proper intro, or is this

reegs: it? This is

Sidey: Oh, nice. Okay, cool. Right. We're not all... We're not just gonna talk about piss. No. We do have a top five to talk about. Yeah.

reegs: Top five- Top five

Sidey: Top five revolutions- Revolutions

reegs: Oh, that was gangs,

cris: gangs. I, I'm not really sure.

Sidey: gangs slash-

cris: I put both, so-

reegs: got... I've gone all gang, really.

Sidey: Oh, I've gone revolutions Okay. Things that turn around a lot. Yeah. And then a movie, which is The True Story of Ned Kelly or the Kelly Gang?

reegs: of the Kelly Gang. True

cris: History of the Kelly Gang, yes. Yeah.

Sidey: And then an outro probably. So, W- has anyone been watching anything else?

reegs: I watched The Last House on Netflix. It-

dan: the Doctor's House?

reegs: It's just called The Last House. It had a sort of intriguing premise of people being trapped inside their houses one day. Oh, right. But it's a strong not recommend for that.

dan: not the Lu- the Laurie, Hugh Laurie thing-

reegs: No.

dan: where he's Dr. House?

reegs: not The Last House, no. Not

Sidey: Oh, the last episode of that? Right, okay. See what you mean.

dan: Okay. Yeah. So

Sidey: a not recommend.

reegs: strong not recommend for that, yeah

Sidey: Because it's-

reegs: Shit. Terrible. Yeah

dan: I've, I've been reading a lot which has put me not in the movie world or the film world lately. So, no- The

reegs: of your mind, Dan

dan: of my mind,

reegs: playing in it? I imagine one of those-

dan: Well, it's all the, the Len Deighton m- books that I've been reading. They did make, I think I might have mentioned in a previous pod, they did make a TV series of it, but it wasn't-

Sidey: Strong not recommend

dan: Yeah. It w- it w- it wasn't a good

cris: Yeah

dan: faithful adaptation, so, I didn't wanna get involved, and I've just kept to the films the books.

Sidey: Chris?

cris: I've watched a few bits because obviously I was away last week in Romania, and I've saved some stuff. And again, because with the Netflix, Amazon Prime, you can download things on, on my tablet. So, I watched "Crime 101."

reegs: Oh, I've been meaning to watch that. Is it good?

cris: It's not terrible, but it's not... It's a action crime film, whatever. And it-

reegs: like it was trying to be Heat from the, all the advertising ... yeah, it,

cris: pre- It does, it does kind of- Martin Scorsese. Yeah, yeah. It, it's interesting, and it's, it's slick. It's really cool made. But you can kinda see where everything is going and how everything is gonna happen. I watched the first episode of the short limited series, which is called "Death by Lightning," which is on Netflix.

Sidey: Is it literally about that?

cris: I don't... It's about some... I c- I can't really tell you because I was on the flight and

dan: It was- Guys with big beards set in the, in America in- Yes, after Abraham Lincoln- Yeah

cris: Abraham Lincoln or something like that. Yeah. It's, it's some guy who,

dan: think Michael Shannon's in it or- Yes,

cris: Michael Shannon. Yeah. He's- I like him. He... It, it, the first episode is really good. It's the premise of a guy who's in the Congress who's retired in his country estate in Ohio, and he does the ... speech for the, for, for his party, for the p- presidential candidate. Yeah. But they all want him to... A- and in the end, in, in a, in a l- in a really long way around, he gets put out as the next president, the, the next candidate- Yeah ... for this party. And then I think it's the story of how that goes, and it's the story of Michael Shannon and this other guy who's pretty much a liar and a hustler.

dan: Mm.

Sidey: Maya

cris: back to one, what we've done midweek. And you can see that their paths will collide at some point, but I don't know yet because I've only seen... I think it's a four-part series, so it's a limited series. It's not, it's not big, but I haven't watched... I haven't finished it. And I watched something else, but I can't really tell you now

dan: what

cris: will be because I can't remember. There was, there was obviously... Because I watched quite a few things that I downloaded on my

dan: IPad. I, I did a couple of cartoons as well, I remember. I did sort of Rick and Morty and a

reegs: series nine?

Sidey: Is

dan: is it nine or 10? The latest- Very recent, yeah ... the la- the latest one. And there was also a Batman Caped Cru- Crusader- Yeah One, and there was a second series of that that's just come out, which is quite cool as

reegs: we did that for the pod a long-

dan: You did that one pod along time ago. We did. And so it was the first series, and now the second series has eventually come out like last year or, or early this year, and I caught up with a few episodes of that. It was ba- it wasn't bad. No

reegs: Rick and Morty, I'd seen all of it. I haven't seen all of ser- series nine yet, but I've seen two or three episodes of that. But it's just amazing that Justin Roiland has been fired, and it just keeps on going, all the voices and...

cris: Sorry I wa- I, I didn't wanna interrupt you. I just wanted... I remember I watched the Mourinho thing on Netflix.

Sidey: Oh, he did. I saw, didn't

dan: Oh, I did the first episode of that, yeah I watched the whole thing, yeah. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt.

cris: watched the whole thing, yeah. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt. Interesting. That was, that was what I watched, and I have to say

dan: A

cris: don't have- Great

dan: I

cris: I don't have too many high hopes. But it's a good, it's a good three-part series I think, and it's i- it kinda goes to Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid, Chelsea again, and something else. Is, and-

dan: Spain as well

Sidey: probably.

cris: not really.

Sidey: They, they- Oh, Tottenham there. I think he pissed

cris: They definitely take out the Spurs

Sidey: the Spurs bit.

reegs: was it. But he was already in the All or Nothing, wasn't he?

Sidey: Yeah. I watched "The Invite."

reegs: Oh, is that good?

Sidey: really good. Yeah. I enjoyed that. Okay. Who? What? It's- "The Invite." It is Seth Rogen

dan: It's- Seth

reegs: Seth Rogen

dan: and

Sidey: and Olivia Wilde, and she directed it as well. They're a sort of bickering married couple, and they invite their neighbors from upstairs down, who's Ed Norton and Penélope Cruz.

reegs: He can always hear them fucking, can't he? Yeah,

Sidey: the, so the, the, they're not getting on, and he's re- well, they're both really annoyed 'cause they've also got a daughter. And he's having to l- like, try to explain what these fucking sex noises are from upstairs, and they're just always at it. And, you know, as the movie comes on, comes along they have people over for group sex, sex parties, and all this sort of stuff, and they invite them up to, you know, "Do you wanna get involved?" And-

dan: the invite.

Sidey: that's "The Invite." Then obviously there's, like, Olivia Wilde's got the connection with Ed Norton, you know, and, and it's all like, how's that gonna play out? It's, it's fucking good, actually. Yeah.

reegs: fancied that,

Sidey: Yeah, because he looks insane in it as well.

dan: Have you ever had that kind of invite?

Sidey: All the time, yeah. Yeah. But I've always got my nappy on,

dan: Yeah, right. It, it, it's-

Sidey: edge off. S- somebody

dan: had put it on Facebook recently, "I wanna get involved in- In swinging? ... in, in swinging in Jersey." On Facebook.

reegs: Facebook? That's

dan: Anonymous ... anonymous. Like, you know, "Where do I go?" And people were saying, "Oh, Pampas Grass and Upside Down Pineapple."

Sidey: and Shopping Trolley is the one, yeah. Or there's, there's some of the dogging spots that are fairly well known as

reegs: You've seen a few people

Sidey: Yeah, I saw that up at the recycling at Granville, yeah.

dan: Recycling at Grainville is a dogging spot? Yeah. Okay. Right. Anyway, I've got some glass

Sidey: some grass.

cris: some grass.

Sidey: And I started but I haven't finished Mortal Kombat too. Strong recommend.

reegs: Oh, I've seen that. It's brilliant.

Sidey: Johnny Cage, the movie in the movie is brilliant. Yeah.

reegs: Carl Keith, Keith Urban. Carl Urban? Carl.

cris: Carl

Sidey: Keith Urban is Nicole Kidman's- Yeah ... husband, I think. Ex, is it? Ex maybe, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's really- But Invite, I would give a strong recommend to the Invite, yeah,

reegs: to the invite, yeah. And Kano with the, the South African guy. Have you got to him yet with the eye? Oh, he's funny as well. He's like in a completely different movie to everybody else.

Sidey: Strong recommend. Yeah. Right, shall we crack on and talk about gangs/revolutions? Yeah. Yeah. Go on then, Chris. Do you wanna give us some of your intel?

cris: I'm gonna say the first revolution that comes to mind, which is, is technically a rebellion, revolution, whatever you wanna call it, is I'm pretty sure there've been films made about it, but it's the Romanian Revolution in 1989, of which I was alive. And I've

Sidey: kind- Were you p- involved in some

cris: No. I was only five. I couldn't really get involved with- Oh, you were just a little kid. Yeah.

Sidey: just an excuse. Yeah. In nappies. It was

cris: funny that last week I went to Romania to see my family, and I was kinda speaking to my mom and dad, and my dad was working for the metro, so he was, he was obliged to go to work in that time. And he said that... Then my mom reminded me, I didn't really remember, my dad used to always bring us the sh- the empty shells. Right. And she's... And my mom said to me, she's like, "Yeah," in my head I thought my dad always brought them. She's like, "Yeah, do you not remember that? You went to play in the field outside the school area, and you came home and you brought the, the shells." And my dad was like, "Oh, no, don't touch them anymore. Never bring them home." And I was just like, "Why? They're really shiny." You know, just as a kid. And I remember because we lived on the eighth floor, and you could kinda see, there was an army base. You could see in the distance, it wasn't very close, but you can kinda see in the distance, and you could hear the gunshots and stuff. We didn't live in the city center, so we didn't really

Sidey: get

cris: in the action, but my dad had to go and because he would

Sidey: have to go to the

cris: metro he would get searched like prison. You know, like, they would do strip searches and everything because although he had his working card or whatever, they still had to check because it was such a turbulent time and, and obviously we, we shot Ceaușescu on Christmas Day as well, so it went from-

dan: On Christmas Day.

Sidey: On...

cris: Very quickly, it, it,

Sidey: flashed her minge. Yeah. Yeah.

cris: It went really quickly and that's probably the first one I, I remember, and I do remember it

Sidey: that they broadcast it on the telly, like live?

cris: The execution, yes. The... I don't know if it was live, but they showed it at 12 o'clock at night. Right. Because obviously there would be kids and stuff, and they couldn't show it. Yeah. Because that's the, the first step that apparently if anyone who wants to start the revolution, the first step you do is you take over government, government buildings and the media, radio and television. Yeah. That's-

Sidey: now in the fucking States in a way, don't you?

cris: There you go.

reegs: go. Chris? Well, I've gone more gangy. Yeah. So, I've gone for what I think is one of the quintessential gang movies, Walter Hill's 1979 movie, The Warriors. Oh, yeah. Seen that one? "Warriors come out and play." Yeah. That been sampled in loads of tunes as well. It's just a... It's about the charismatic... What's his name? Mm, Cyrus. He's the leader of the Riffs, the most powerful gang in New York, and he's doing this big speech to them all at the beginning. And you really like going along with him right up until the moment that he's executed. And this gang, The Warriors they, they're no better than any of the other gangs that are roaming around, but you're... They're the one that you're following, and they've gotta ma- make their way back across New York pinned for the blame for this murder that they didn't do back to their home territory and going through all these other gangs to get there. There's... And that's what's probably the great part. Have you got it there? Have you got the soundtrack?

dan: actually the, The Wanderers, not the- Oh ... which is one

reegs: Wanderers, not- Oh ... which

Sidey: is

dan: that I was gonna talk about.

reegs: Yeah. So, yeah, it's just got a g- you know, it's great production design and all the different inventive gangs. You've got the Lizzies, which is, like, this girl gang, and you've got, the best one is the Baseball Furies. They've got this, like, Kiss face paint on, and they w- all dressed up in, like, baseball outfits, carrying bats and stuff. It's just, like, a really grimy '70s exploitation... Not exploitation, but you know, grimy sort of '70s movie and about gangs and stuff. It's really good. It's a classic.

dan: it's not far from this kind of era as well. The Wanderers which had a brilliant soundtrack. "Walk Like a Man". "Walk like a man"

Sidey: Used the highest- Yeah, yeah

dan: voice to, to sing it, and it was all around these kind of different, Oh, Dynamite, that's actually quite

Sidey: Dynamo from- He's got

reegs: quite a looker, isn't he?

Sidey: like

dan: guy on the back of this vinyl record I've got in here, yeah, he was, he was one of the, the heads of the, the gangs and the, the kind of characters that you, you follow around. Sometimes you go up to their house and you realize their, their dad is just an absolute asshole to them and all the rest of it. And so going out and being part of a gang and being part of The Wanderers as it, as it was in, in this kind of gang who are a little bit like the Grease Lightning lot, you know? Danny La Russo and- Yeah ... those kind of slick back teddy boy kind of, fellas. It's a, it's a really good soundtrack, as I say. A, a decent movie too. And yeah, the... it was just all these different gangs in Detroit or wherever it was set. I can't quite remember, to be honest. But a decent movie actually. It's one that maybe we'll,

Sidey: we'll

dan: over on a, on the pod one time. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. I was gonna go straight in with the Rebel Alliance from- Oh, yeah What's that thing called? Star Wars. Yeah. Rebel Alliance. Well, and so we started off with the three movies, and then we've seen it through all sort of parts of its gestation, if you like. Yeah. From Rogue One right back to Andor.

reegs: And now they've got what's it, Starfighter or whatever that's coming out.

Sidey: you've got you've got Ahsoka Season 2. Yeah.

reegs: The trailer looked quite good for that. They've got now got a... Have you seen he's got three bits of lightsaber

Sidey: it's like, it's getting like Spinal Tap. Yeah.

reegs: Like yeah. .. with 11 lightsabers. Yeah, exactly.

Sidey: and that one, Thrawn then declares war on the- He's on Thrawn. Yeah, the thingy. And it's quite interesting because- They're the goodies, if you like Yeah But they are essentially terrorists- Yeah ... depending on which way you look at the story

reegs: point of view

Sidey: although the Empire are f- or objectively- Fascists ... like fairly fucking horrendous. Yeah. So there's that. Did you see

reegs: 'cause they've got, did he... The, the leaks from D23 or whatever it is, the Disney convention. Ryan Gosling has got another cool jacket, 'cause he's in that Starfighter movie Why does he get to keep all his stuff? Yeah,

Sidey: he's in...

dan: his stuff. Yes, is

Sidey: That's the first one that has no... What is it? The first one with no

reegs: his jacket in it? It's an upside down Rebel Alliance thing with a, like a, it looks like a skull and crossbones on the ra- Right It's just another cool jack- How does he do it? Where does he get these

Sidey: cool. So that'll be good. He's also doing Ghost Rider, did you see? Yeah. I think that's hard to do, but yeah, Rebel Alliance. I think Marvel's just hard

reegs: think Marvel's just hard to do, isn't it? It's hard to give a shit about any of it really,

Sidey: some extra footage from Doomsday. Did you see it?

reegs: Yeah. It looks dog

dan: Some people just lap it up

reegs: awful. I mean, I'll probably see it, but I j- everything I see of it just looks terrible.

Sidey: Yeah. Well, what do you know? And

dan: watch it

reegs: I heard about it, that they were still writing it as they were filming it and all that sort of stuff, just sounds like a really bad way to make a movie.

Sidey: still got sucked into that latest footage, 'cause when he says "Hell answers to me because I am Doom," I'm like, "This

reegs: That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. I know, exactly.

Sidey: exactly. So I will watch it, you know, no doubt, no doubt about it. I will definitely watch it. It's back to you, Chris, I think. Yeah.

cris: I've got another rebellion, or revolution, which is a failed one, but very close, came very close call. It's a 1960, I'm gonna say, film. And it's a 3 hour and 17 minutes movie- Crud which I remember watching, and I remember watching with my dad, and I watched it quite a few times. Oh. It is Spartacus.

Sidey: Oh, yeah. I am, I'm Spartacus.

cris: I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus. Kirk Douglas and Laurence Olivier, Jean Simmons, Charles

Sidey: Gene Simmons?

dan: What, from Kid?

Sidey: The guy from Kiss?

reegs: How are we spelling Jean? J-E-A-N.

Sidey: Oh, okay. Different Gene.

cris: But that's how you say it, no?

Sidey: no?

cris: yeah. Right. Fuck's sake. You, you really confused me there.

Sidey: You

cris: I was like, "I got this right now." And then, oh, okay, yeah, that. And

Sidey: Stanley Kubrick joint

cris: the script to him ... the, the, yeah, the Thracian, Thra- Thracian Spartacus was born and raised a slave, gets given

dan: Weren't we all? ... Batiatus- Mm

cris: who trains him as a gladiator, and then he rebels against the-

reegs: It's a classic, innit?

cris: Yeah. It is. Yeah. And leads the rebellion. And it's quite a-

dan: has he kinda got his son at the end there and- Yeah ... yeah.

cris: So it's, it's... I, I thought it was quite a

reegs: pretty neat. You've got Kirk Douglas. Who else did you say? Laurence Olivier. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And obviously-

dan: a cast. Yeah. Just those two. Yeah. I mean, never- Jean Simmons ... never mind the, the thousands of

cris: Charles Laughton, Peter Ustinov, Tony

reegs: Peter Ustinov, yeah. What a cast. Tony

Sidey: in there.

reegs: Fucking... Woody

Sidey: Strode

dan: Yeah.

cris: So yeah, it is a classic, 1960 as well. Mm-hmm.

dan: Great movie. Kirk Douglas, I, I really liked him. Yeah. I mean, in the Vikings, I think we,

reegs: that training sequence with the boy, and he's fighting that, trying to teach that boy to fight and all that. Yeah, it's

dan: he's,

Sidey: so

cris: it's a great ... Apparently it's historically inaccurate, the whole film, obviously. Yeah. But the film itself, I think, is a great film, so I thought I'll put it in there.

Sidey: Even

dan: better than the reality. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

reegs: A much more accurate representation of gang culture and life was afforded to us by 1985's Police Academy 2:

Sidey: 2. Yeah.

reegs: Their First Assignment. And if you remember, it was the cadets of the first movie, the bumbling idiots, including, like, the fucking gun crazy Tackleberry

Sidey: Tackleberry.

reegs: Wh- in this one I think he gets laid. He meets, High five ... a, a girl that he hits it off with, and they... he prematurely shoots a gun all over her.

dan: her. And,

reegs: and so th- they, they're dispatched to deal with a g- a, a gang problem that I think Commandant Lassard's brother has in a, in another precinct, and the gang is run by Bobcat Goldthwait. Do you remember that guy? I...

Sidey: The crazy voice ... that was an impression.

cris: Was,

dan: that...

reegs: Yeah. That Yeah. He was Jughead. Jughead was his mother's name. He was, he was the leader of the gang that was terrorizing the place, and Mahoney has to go undercover if you remember. No?

Sidey: Steve Guttenberg.

reegs: Seen the film. Yeah. Big fans of the Police

dan: I was back in the

cris: I was. But,

Sidey: actually. But,

dan: been a long, long time

Sidey: done one for the pod after the YSDI.

reegs: I might... I would possibly do that one or 3, Citizens on Patrol. The first one is also really

dan: Is that the one where they go to the Blue Oyster?

reegs: that the one where they go to the Blue

Sidey: it's a recurring joke- Yeah

reegs: the franchise. Think it starts to run out of steam by about five or

Sidey: surely not. Yeah.

reegs: But yeah, Police Academy

dan: You have Gangs of New York. There's proper gang. Gang of New York. There's, Dead Rabbit Daniel Day-Lewis- Something like that ... playing Butcher Bill, I think

Sidey: Did he go full method in it, you

dan: He goes full method in that fucking film ... he did go full method. What

reegs: they c- it's the something rabbits, isn't it? The- Rabbit. No.

dan: Something like that, yeah.

cris: What? So what, did he actually g- go in a gang and start,

dan: no

Sidey: 'cause he does that bullshit in every film

dan: it was the stories o- of how New York and the boroughs and everything, New York-

Sidey: I've

cris: the film. I was asking about Daniel Day-Lewis, that I thought he

dan: people. Yeah, well- He

cris: Yeah,

reegs: thought he- He, he went back in time.

Sidey: No, I moaned last week about him pretending to be, like, quadriplegic in My Left Foot- Oh ... and making people carry him around on set. Fuck off.

reegs: should try acting,

Sidey: like that. I hate all that shit. Try pretending.

dan: only got, like, four Oscars, so he doesn't really know what he's doing.

Sidey: doesn't really know what he's doing. Don't care. Oscar's can eat shit.

dan: but he's... Yeah, he does know

cris: he's doing. There's DiCaprio in that film as

dan: though. DiCaprio's in it as well. There's a who's who of who's that in there.

Sidey: I was disappointed with it considering it's a Scorsese film. I didn't like it. I didn't, I j- didn't finish it. I turned it off

reegs: turned it off. It, it- It was great

dan: it... Well, it wasn't that bad. It... Really?

Sidey: it's not good enough for my time.

dan: Okay. There you go.

reegs: you go.

dan: A, a scathing, Review ... review, yeah, yeah. That was as mid as you can possibly get. But it does have gangs in it. And, It does. There's quite a few of them ... and it, it's got us talking.

Sidey: Yeah, for sure.

dan: Talking. What you got? What you got?

Sidey: What you... You know. I've got the Fremen from Dune. Yeah. Soon to be trilogy, actually. They're again, again, that's like a jihad. They, they rise up- Yeah ... against the, the powers that be. Okay.

reegs: They're all blue-eyed, aren't they?

Sidey: they're on drugs. Yeah. Yeah. That's why. They're on spice. They're spiced up to their tits. Is that

cris: that what it is? Yeah.

reegs: Yeah, yeah. yeah. It just so happens that the drug that makes them do it is also the thing that was responsible for, like, jet fuel and stuff basically, and,

dan: And, Yeah. It does a lot.

Sidey: lot. Yeah. And then, so they're gonna get the third one that where he's got his literal, like, Messiah God complex, and it goes out of control. That's another Chalamet thing. Yeah. Hard to believe it's such a little- Is the third one out yet? No, no, but the trailer, there's trailers around. I've seen

cris: trailer when I was watching the Odyssey at the

Sidey: They do look very cool, I have to say, but I think they're a bit kind of style over substance, those movies, to be honest. And I've never read the text because they have- Yeah,

reegs: managed to finish one yet. I've started the first one a

dan: I've read the book

Sidey: the book. But we need it done because then Denis Villeneuve's doing the next Bond film, isn't he, after this? So we need

dan: Which looks like it might be a Jersey boy.

Sidey: Well, he's up to second, back to second in the, But it, it won't... It- They never pick. Apart from Brosnan, they've never picked an obvious Bond. I-

dan: Amazon Bond.

Sidey: I know, so that, that does change it a little bit. But you see who the number one is, the number one in, in the... So the top three, I can't remember who the number three was. Maybe it's still Cal Turner. Number two was Mr. Cavill, which would be fucking great, I think. But he's mid-40s now, or-

reegs: Well,

Sidey: be mid-40s

reegs: though. Yeah. That's Bond.

dan: Yeah.

Sidey: by the time they film this. That's Bond. No, that's Bond. Yeah, but they... Yeah, I don't know. I would... Don't get me wrong, I would love it. And the, the number one, he's taking... He's g- he's on a different path to acting at the moment. He's making hip hop records. Frankie Pulitzer.

dan: Hardy

Sidey: Hardy.

cris: Oh, is it? Okay.

Sidey: Oh, is it? Right. Okay. Tom Hardy, yeah. He's number one in the running.

dan: Don't see him being as

Sidey: him

reegs: Bond. I don't see him. Ever.

cris: I,

dan: I'd love to see

Sidey: Cavill as Bond. Oh, Henry would be amazing. If we get him on the pod, imagine that. We get Bond on the pod.

reegs: we

dan: Bond

Sidey: the pod. I'd put... I've, I'd even put a clean nappy on for him. I

reegs: he almo- ... he did

Sidey: did a... He basically

reegs: did a Bond audition in, Oh, yeah ... The Man from UNCLE.

cris: Oh,

Sidey: think that's literally what that was for. Yeah. Yeah. And it'd be

reegs: And he was fucking great. And he was fucking great, yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: So we'll see what route they go down with that.

dan: Well, watch this space. Chris,

cris: my turn for a

dan: you got one more? Have you got a, a nom? I've got,

cris: a gang in the film, and then I've got a nom. I've got the bike riders, which is the beginning of if you want the, the Hells Angels or whatever. And it is inspired by real people and a 1968 photo book. But the plot and the club itself are a fiction. They're not necessarily the Hells Angels or anything else. But I really like that film despite the fact that Elvis was so smoldering and he kept having that look. He didn't really get from Elvis to that. He kind

dan: just

cris: just transitioned. He had the same eye in, in that looking like Elvis, but in a leather and riding a bike. But that's a Tom Hardy film. It's really good. I, I enjoyed it. It's, it's a drama. It's also a little bit long, but it's a good, it's a good film. Obviously, it's about the, the, the story of

reegs: how- ... a gang

Sidey: of bikers

cris: rose to massive numbers and... And I, I did like the,

dan: The

cris: same like anything else, as soon as you get guns involved, it all turns to you're not about-

dan: your shooty stuff, yeah shooty stuff. But,

cris: then double crossing and stabby in the backy thing.

dan: I watched a Tom Hardy thing. Or I started to, Venom 3.

Sidey: Oh, it's fucking awful.

reegs: pretty good,

dan: couldn't get, I c- I couldn't- You didn't

reegs: as far as the Venom horse?

dan: No, I got as far as him being in a bar in

reegs: about the beginning, isn't it? Yeah. It

dan: That's like the beginning, isn't it? Yeah. And it was, it was really fucking bad. I

Sidey: Another one that wasn't worth my time. I got

dan: time. I bailed.

reegs: Was pretty good

dan: watched the first one all the way through, 'cause I was captive audience on a plane.

reegs: the third one's got Woody Harrelson

dan: third one's got Woody Harrelson? The first one, sorry. The first

Sidey: one is Carnage. Yeah. Yeah. Woody

dan: But yeah, this, this this... It was really, really bad. Sorry, yeah, just as you mentioned Tom Hardy, I thought for a fabulous actor, he's making some fucking awful films. He did Taboo, which was a- Yeah ... a series on BBC, which was excellent. Yeah,

Sidey: that was

cris: Oh, yeah. That was really good.

reegs: Yeah.

dan: Tom, make some better choices

cris: I don't

dan: made money that as well

Sidey: What?

dan: Venom? ... Venom. Maybe.

Sidey: Not enough to carry it on. Well,

dan: he's done three. I mean, I don't ... He's probably signed-

Sidey: Killed it off. I think they've said they're not making any more. Yeah. So they've done it. Robbie. If he can't pull it off, I

dan: signed off. I think they said they don't wanna make anymore. They've done- Rubbish. If he can't pull it off, I'm not sure, sure anybody can. It's just not transferable onto film. Did you have another one, Reeks?

reegs: Are we... Do we... I was gonna go for... Do you remember... Blah. Let's try again in English. What about,

Sidey: English

reegs: childhood gangs?

dan: Yeah.

reegs: They're always good. You see them, your own childhood. You might... Did you have a gang when you were kids,

dan: when you were a kids? Like- Well, we thought we was a bit of a gang- Yeah ... at one point. You know, there was a-

reegs: A few of you where you live, hang around together every

dan: men. We were in tights. We were, you know. Yeah, yeah. Happy.

reegs: Geeks ... the Goonies was one that I was thinking about. That's like the

dan: Yeah, that was- ... gang ... that was my nom, but you've- Oh, was it? ... you've stolen it.

reegs: You've got Mouth. You've got- Chunk ...

Sidey: take it ... Mouth. Yeah ... you've got- Chunk ... chunk.

reegs: The fat one- The gang's out ... the talky one. Sometimes they're the same one The upskirt one The, the... Yeah. Data. You got, yeah, the racial stereotypes. And it was all about freeing some kid-

dan: you guys

Sidey: Airtime

reegs: some money to save the Goonies. It's

dan: time ... ... their time up there's da- Yeah ... our time, our time is here

reegs: Another kind of childhood gang was in, They were called The Cobras, and they were the bad guys in the Rob Reiner adaptation of Stephen King's novella, The Body: Stand by Me, Sadie's favorite movie. They're a little gang that go out. They're in another sort of childhood gang, and another Stephen King one was The Losers Club in It-

Sidey: Sign me up.

reegs: read that. That's what they called themselves. They were sort of the down and outs of the town and, you know, the victims of bullying and all that come together to fight off this sort of cosmic evil that lurks in the sewers in their small town of Derry, I think it is. The film wisely decides to omit the scene where they have a gang bang, an underage gang bang. 1986's Stephen King was doing a lot of coke, so-

dan: Yeah.

Sidey: that's horny. Yeah.

reegs: All right. So a few gangs.

dan: Well, we had a gang up with Angels and, Angels with Dirty Faces the other day, didn't we?

Sidey: End Kids. The Dead End Kids.

reegs: I listened to that, and it made me wanna watch the movie, actually. And,

Sidey: Oh, strongly recommend and

dan: What do you say, eh? And this was a little band

Sidey: pleased to meet you. Yeah.

dan: A little band of,

Sidey: street urchins ... street urchins- Yeah ... exactly

dan: that were born on the wrong side of the tracks and never really had a shot. And they looked up to the wrong people even though they had good influences around them with the, the, the priest who's trying to make sure that they've got opportunities and chances to better themselves. And they follow James Cagney's kind of star as he is the gangster. He's the Al Capone that's on their street, and he pays a bit of attention to them. And he also gives them good advice and tries to get them on the straight and narrow, but he's, he's naturally just caught up in his own star as well, and he follows him- himself in the newspaper, and he, he likes to, to know that everybody knows him, and he plays up to it a little bit. But these kids in the end see that he's actually gone to the electric chair yeller. Yeah. He's gone there as a coward, but only because the priest has pretty much asked him to do it- Yeah ... so the, the kids don't follow him. So

reegs: doesn't become a symbol. Yeah.

dan: so he doesn't become a martyr for them. And they kind of- S- you know, slunker

Sidey: slunker

dan: off at, at the end with the priest going to the back to the sports hall and, and playing a, you know, a bit of basketball rather than going down this other route of crime and everything they might have otherwise done. But yeah, I'll c- I'll take that as my nom as you've taken The Goonies.

cris: Goonies. Okay.

Sidey: I got a couple of sort of similar themed like- The goal of the gang. So what the, the, I forget what they're called. Oh, Project Mayhem, that lot in Fight Club. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Their ultimate goal is to blow up a load of buildings that hold all

reegs: They wanna wipe out credit card

Sidey: credit card. And it's similar in Mr. Robot, fsociety, and they're trying to erase all everyone's debts- Yeah ... because that's-

reegs: In the first season was really good, and that's what it was setting up, a kind of- Yeah ... almost Fight Club-esque thing where he's ke- taking down all the

Sidey: companies. Yeah. It seems like a bit of a just complete rip-off. But anyway I quite like the first season of that. Yeah. I'm with Chris on that one, that it was shit after the first series. Yeah. Well, I certainly stopped enjoying it. And are we nomming? Yeah, sounds good. Have you done mine? Yeah. So I am sort of a big fan of the Baader-Meinhof gang. Yeah. Like German domestic terrorist lot that sort of rose up against the state. And there was

reegs: a fan of them?

Sidey: were a fan of them. I just quite like the idea of power structures being overthrown and people- Yeah ... you know, rising up to take things on. Blowing people up and stuff, I'm sort of less of a fan of that, but- Yeah ... you know, people having enough and rising I think surely can't be far off that these days. Anyway there's a movie of it. A 2008 The Baader Meinhof Complex, but there's also, they've influenced loads of stuff. So, The Clash, Joe Strummer wore a T-shirt at the 1978, what year? Rock Against Racism gig which had the words Brigade Rosse, which R-O-double S-E, which was the Italian Red Brigade, and it had the Red Army faction, which is what they also went by, the Baader Meinhof, on his T-shirt, which is pretty cool. And a band that I really like, the Auteurs, their main guy is a guy called Luke Haines, and he changed, or he just had another band called Baader Meinhof, and he put an album out called Baader Meinhof, and he also just as an aside, some of the song titles from the Auteurs stuff would be like Unsolved Child Murder and- Oh, that's- Light, Light Aircraft on Fire. That's cool. And he also had another band called The Black Box Recorder, which is-

dan: you played for Rozo Rovers walking football.

Sidey: The guy with a good left foot, yeah. Yeah. So the Baader-Meinhof gang-

reegs: Yeah. Okay.

cris: Wow. That is, that was

dan: you've got the- Very impressive you've got quite a lot of gangs when you go to, like, crime gangs like that. You've got the Brinks Mat robbery, the Great Train Robbery gangs, and- Yeah ... all those gangs.

cris: Yeah, the... I, I had a few in mind in terms of series, which is like Gangs of London- Yeah ... Top Boy, Mob Land. Only the ones that are from Britain that they've kinda done that.

dan: Bang 4.

cris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: Seen them all.

cris: All, all that. And but my norm is gonna be a film that is, It's only because it's been quite popular back home, especially when I was growing up, is Green Street Hooligans. Okay. Only because there's all these... Yeah, well, the Hammers, the West

Sidey: are they? Fucking hell ...

cris: and there was honestly, there was some of the boys that I used to go to watch Dinamo Bucharest with, they would watch that film before they would go to the match,

Sidey: Like inspiration

cris: so they wanna go and have a fight, and I just never understood that. No. But at the same time, I've seen it all around me, and I have seen this kind of bravado following the football and let's have a fight. I didn't really understand the fighting bit, but it's a, it's an iconic film for people that

Sidey: are- Well, they used to have the football hooliganism, like, on the terraces now. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, "Oh, football's all cleaned up." No, they just arrange where they're gonna fight. And, yeah. Later. They just- Yeah.

cris: They, they just don't do it in the stadium, and they don't try to do that. But, but that's- Is

Sidey: So is that the one with Elijah Wood?

cris: Yes. Yeah. Okay. And, and Charlie Hunnam, yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. We- West Ham Millwall

dan: this season are playing in the championship, and

Sidey: Oof. Get extra policing on that one.

dan: they've already sold out, I think, with the, the tickets for it.

reegs: so

cris: this is the story of a West Ham guy, that he's got his American cousin over, or his missus' brother over or something, and he kinda... I'll take him to the stadium, show him around, and then this American guy just becomes a legend on the terraces because he's fighting all these other hooligans. And that's it. That's my nom. Green Street Hooligans

dan: Okay.

reegs: I'm gonna go with the Mad Max universe 'cause I couldn't choose between Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior and Mad Max: Fury Road. Both George Miller films, both giving us iconic gangs. The Marauders in Mad Max 2, led by the giant masked Lord Humungus- Yeah ... played by Ver- Vernon Wells. And in the 2015 Mad Max: Fury Road, the War Boys. Th- they had the chrome-painted faces. Oh,

cris: yes. Yeah,

reegs: Nicholas Hoult from this week's

Sidey: Yep

cris: He was in it. Yeah, the-

reegs: in it. And they rode their flaming cars to Valhalla in that crazy fucking spectacle, which is a movie I quite often put on in the back- It's a great movie, but you can just put it on in the background for visuals because it's so striking. And yeah. That's my

dan: In- interesting actually, Nicholas Hoult. Where, where had he started? Because I'm, I'm sure that I saw- About a Boy. Yeah. About a Boy. Yeah. That, of course he did. Yeah.

reegs: really like him, and he's terrific in this

dan: he's done some really great movies. The War Boys out of that

Sidey: Drawn Boy soundtrack for that is really good.

dan: Yeah

Sidey: Strong, strong recommend for that. Yeah. And we need one more gang/rebellion/gangs-

reegs: slash- Slash revolution

Sidey: Yeah, all that sort of stuff. Let us know.

reegs: Mm.

dan: Let us have it

reegs: have it

Sidey: The... It's not the, this doesn't have a the, does it? It's just-

reegs: just called True History True-

Sidey: history of the Kelly Gang. Yeah. Yeah. And then it does that kind of Fargo thing where it says it's not true.

reegs: The story is not true, and then it keeps the, the not part all fades away and it leaves true- Yeah ... and it segues into the title True History of the Kelly Gang. Yeah. It's a 2000 and something. What was it? 2019 Australian-made, directed film. Yeah. From a novel by

dan: A novelist.

reegs: Yeah, it was a novelist. Somebody had written a

Sidey: book. The book was Peter Carey. That's right. The Booker Prize winning book as it happens. But this is- Yeah ... directed by Justin Kurzel.

reegs: Kurzel Yeah. You may have seen him. He did Macbeth and Assassin's Creed. I th- I hope Macbeth was a faithful adaptation of its source material, because Assassin's Creed was pretty terrible, wasn't it? But-

cris: Was that Fassbender in Assassin's Creed? Yes. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah

Sidey: Does it, it doesn't almo- it doesn't immediately start off with this mum piping someone off, but it's-

dan: Well, he's running across- Right ... you see like a, a guy, right,

Sidey: Oh, and we get a bit of drone- Wearing

reegs: red, shot from above

Sidey: footage first, don't we?

reegs: Yeah, running across

Sidey: quite, quite

cris: the whole- A woman

Sidey: A, a

dan: dress on on a white horse going across a kind of burnt out forest landscape which is quite barren. Apocalyptic looking. Yeah, it is.

reegs: Yeah ... the, it's the bush. And we g- well, there is somebody narrating actually, but they're, s- 'cause he's writing a letter to his unborn child- Son

cris: Son. Yeah.

dan: And yeah, soon we see a, a young Ned looking in on what is a very stark and basic hut- Mm through the window, and his mum's blowing- She's

Sidey: dealing with Charlie

reegs: fellating the local police sergeant- Yeah ... Charlie Hunnam. Really

dan: while Dad holds the baby outside and says, "Stay away from the window." A- and Ned doesn't he, he gets a good look. He's trying to understand. He's, he's only young, what, what the hell is going

Sidey: an absolute haircut as well.

reegs: of, He's amazing, this kid, Orlando Schwerdt. Yeah. Israel Schwertor. ... Orlando Schwerdt, he's absolutely brilliant, I thought. And y-

dan: thought ... and y- you hear the, the police sergeant say, "Oh, that should be you good for another month. I won't bother you."

Sidey: That's nice

dan: and she kind of wipes

Sidey: her- Yeah.

dan: away a little bit.

Sidey: away really grim.

reegs: And, and it's clear, you know, they've got, they've, they've got nothing.

dan: And they are- Many

reegs: kids, young kids

dan: a- and they're being, you know, oppressed by the police and everything, and- And they,

reegs: came here as convicts, right? So they're already the lowest rung on the ladder, living out in the middle of nowhere, oppressed by absolutely everybody. Yeah. And- Doing

dan: they can to survive

reegs: they can to survive. Yeah. And also the father, Red Kelly, John Red Kelly, is a, a convicted outlaw anyway- Yeah so he can't get work, and-

Sidey: And what

dan: they're doing, they've got a little distillery where they're making booze and that is kind of the family business and, and it- they get as well a, as a

Sidey: a

reegs: as a

dan: blowjob, the, the captain or the, Sergeant the sergeant, he takes a bottle of this booze and he says something to young Ned saying, "I seen your dad in a dress. What's all that about?" "No, you didn't." Yeah. And he goes, " Bloody did." And he leaves it like that, and he's, he's off on his horse soon. But there's a lot of tension within the household and Dad, you I wasn't sure anyway. He, he was... He seemed quite a a gentle man actually, although he's got all tattoos and he looks an absolute hard nut.

Sidey: Seems conflicted.

dan: seems kind of conflicted,

reegs: got all tattoos and he looks an absolute hard nut. Seems conflicted. He, he seems kind of conflicted, yeah. Well, and also his wife is having to sleep with basically everybody to sustain the protection that they need for their lifestyle. So, and, and he's emasculated everywhere, isn't he? Because his son even... They, it talks about k- I can't remember if this is at this part, but he talks about killing a a cow, doesn't he? And there's no food, and he goes out and he butchers a cow himself. Yeah.

Sidey: struggling with it, yeah. He brings it back.

reegs: and brings his leg back. And the mother, in a, in a series of things is, they're shot almost as lovers, the boy and the mother. You know, th- like faces to face really close, and she's quite seductive as she gives him the biggest cut of meat and emasculates the father, who-

Sidey: He brings the plate at the wall, yeah understands and he

reegs: goes fucking

dan: the, the mother is you know, right from the off-

Sidey: Horny A nutter

dan: really, you know. I mean, she's- Great for an

reegs: awful lifestyle what

dan: she is, but she's she's one of those, you know, she's just poking the bear of, of everybody really. She's just poking to, to see, you know, you should... I mean, we'll see her later on in the film, you should be shooting people. You're not a man if you don't do that, you know. You know, all these kind of

reegs: she'll sell her own son. I mean, you know, we'll see what a terrible woman she is.

dan: And, and that's right because eventually because of the cow that he's killed and brought home he's found that that cow actually belonged to somebody. And the sergeant comes back and he sees that the skin has been cut out where the branding would've been. Mm. And they arrest the dad for it even though Ned confesses- Yeah ... and

Sidey: it was him. Yeah, he just keeps saying, "It was me. I did, I did it. I did it."

dan: did it." And they don't kind of believe him that it was even him. But,

reegs: take him off to serve the

dan: yeah, they, they take him off to, you know, some hellhole to, to serve the time.

reegs: And I think again, they reinforce the thing about, by the way, your dad's a cross-dresser, 'cause I had no idea really that there was this amount of cross-dressing associated

Sidey: with Ned Kelly. Well, they find a, a, like a, almost like a treasure chest- Yeah

reegs: She, the d- it's his younger sister shows him, "Oh, there's a pile of rocks that I play that Dad's got some stuff there," and he ex- puts some rocks over and he finds a dress He looks at it like, "What the fuck?" He, he looks at him and burns them

Sidey: and he finds the dress. He's just

dan: He, looks at him and burns them all. And- Yeah ... you know why they did that? 'Cause I did a little bit of research.

reegs: Son of Siv, are you talking about,

dan: Yeah, so it

reegs: do go into this in the

dan: yeah, so they, they basically we don't know at this stage, but as robbers they, they do it to as disguise and to freak people out, you know. And to, to make sure that they're like second-guessing them and

reegs: They'll talk about this later, won't they? 'Cause the brothers get really into it Yeah but mostly it's just about examining all the horrible things that the mother and father have to do as a ki- Yeah ... and the horrors that this

cris: When he's very

reegs: When he's very young gentle kid. And we see he's actually got quite-

dan: he,

Sidey: 10

cris: think. Probably, yeah. Something like that. Yeah. 8, 10.

reegs: There is a bit where he's offered a chance to escape this lifestyle, where he saves a rich kid from drowning, and he goes back, and the mother offers to pay for his education, which they all know would be a route out of all this horror for him, and his mother sabotages it. I think she spits on it, doesn't she? Or-

cris: Yeah. Well, she shows him the necklace that Ned stole from the house.

reegs: And then starts to reveal her tit, and is like, "Is there anything else

dan: and it's like, is there anything else you wanna know? And the other woman actually spits at her, I think, doesn't

reegs: that's

dan: Oh, yeah. But yeah, she says in her mind, You know, I, what the fuck? You send your kid away. Yeah. I couldn't bear not seeing him or every day. You know, I would

cris: not only that, they're English, she's Irish, so-

Sidey: so

cris: it's

reegs: And they hate,

dan: But, but that was a way out for, for Ned that wasn't taken, and he wasn't too, too bothered about it. In fact, I think he was- He'd known no different he

Sidey: was- He wouldn't know any different, is I think ... he

dan: No, he wouldn't known any different, and he was quite happy, I think, to, to stay there because he gets this this sewn kind of, Sash ... band, doesn't he? Sash, which he runs and tells his dad about. Goes to the prison, dad's not there. And dad has actually, we find out is, is dead soon afterwards. And No Enders Suit has then come to hover around mom who's quite a, you know, a good-looking lady in the bush, Well, the sergeant is straight up there for a blow job, isn't

reegs: is straight up there for a blowjob, isn't he? He's like, "Right, I'm ready." You know, but the, the guy's not even in the ground yet, and he's fucking ready for

dan: yeah, but they're looking at him, aren't they? As he's, and he's, he's trying to get in there as the, the body is, is laying on the table and he's giving mom a kiss on the cheek and saying- Yeah "Oh, we're, oh looking on you a bit more now," like, and all the

reegs: gotta do something to protect

dan: kids are there and she's, she knows, you know, "I'm a woman on my own. I'm gonna have to do whatever it takes." And whatever it takes is getting Russell Crowe in as a, a kind of huntsman,

Sidey: beardy fucker

reegs: beard Harry Power. He was a real outlaw bushranger, as they called them. That's a

Sidey: a great name.

reegs: Yeah ... Harry Power, yeah. His brother, Max.

dan: And Har- Harry, Harry Power is he's able to keep the rest of them, these suitors all off because he's a hard cunt- And you can see they're, And they know him

cris: all intimidated by him. Yeah. You can see the... you

Sidey: see- Yeah, he's an alpha ... Simon

cris: with the flowers, and

Sidey: he's like, "Oh- He

dan: even get off his horse. He's

cris: "Why, why-"

dan: take the flowers."

cris: give the flowers and fuck

Sidey: "I don't fucking do one here." And

reegs: first, it seems like he might be a, a bit of a shining light, right? He's actually respectful to all the kids, and they have this funny m- meal where he sings, "He's a cunty-ass, cunty-ass cunt." He, he's getting them all to sing-

dan: sing- Yeah ... about the constable who comes. About the constable.

reegs: the Constable Cunt.

cris: yeah.

Sidey: Oh, by the way, we swear on this podcast.

reegs: swear on this podcast. Yeah, that too. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. So-

dan: but no, it is a, it's a nice family moment, and you think-

Sidey: Right

reegs: up until the moment

dan: Right up until the moment where he's gotta go to hustle some hustling and he persuades mom to let him come with him, and we find out actually Mother is sold

reegs: At first, it seems like they're going just on a sort of like toughen him up, like hunting

cris: no, they were gonna get some horses from up north. Get some horses from up north. That was

reegs: idea was

Sidey: from up

cris: the idea. And it...

Sidey: and it, but the whole idea

reegs: like a bonding thing. But then as it becomes clear, he's actually been sold to him, and he's there to, to work as an outlaw for

dan: he's a partner- Yeah you know?

reegs: Gotta earn his keep

Sidey: he doesn't know- You

dan: know

Sidey: mean? ... exactly.

dan: he hasn't been brought into the, the secret of what he's gonna do. He says, "Hold this horse," in the middle of the, the kind of track, and as another horse and carriage comes up He doesn't know what to say. He doesn't know what to do. Well, he

cris: he freezes.

reegs: freezes, yeah ... yeah Harry's

dan: the bushes and then shoots the guy in the head and all the blood's over young Ned, and he shoots the other guy. He robs him, and he's screaming

reegs: dead and all that. It's a really messy

dan: him off, and he offers him pancakes and all the rest of it in this big posh hotel, and you can see Ned doesn't wanna be involved in this life, and he says, "I don't fucking want your pancakes," you know. I, I, you know, "I just wanna go home." And he says, "You've been sold, mate."

reegs: He... There is

dan: it."

reegs: home $15 50- you gotta make $15 back

dan: He, he, legs it home and into the warm arms of his mother, who's an absolute sort of, "You've gotta get with the program, son."

reegs: Wait, is this... We've missed a bit, a chunk

cris: before- Before

dan: though? Because- Not before- Not

reegs: Not before he takes him to find Sergeant O'Neill and to teach him the art of killing. Sergeant

Sidey: in the chamber. Sergeant O'Neill's in the

reegs: is in the whorehouse. Charlie Hunnam, who we have...

Sidey: charlie Hunnam, who we have--

reegs: I thought was terrific again in this. It's full of great acting, this movie. He's in the whorehouse fucking this girl, and they just barge in, and he just ties him up. He's... Round his bollocks, isn't it? Around his... 'Cause we've already seen a guy have his bollocks cut off- True and shoved round his,

dan: shoved in his mouth, yeah ... fucking

reegs: They've tied his fucking meat and two veg up, and then he's going, "Go on, shoot him. Shoot him."

dan: He

reegs: does eventually shoot him-

Sidey: does shoot him, but he won't kill him. Yeah, 'cause he's escaping. Yeah.

reegs: But... And then Harry Power, he turns the gun on Power, and you think, "Oh, fucking hell." And Power's like, "Yeah, go on, just do it, mate." Just gets on his knees, presses his forehead against the thing. But he, he can't do it 'cause Nick is not that kind of kid really. The whole world is trying to make him like

dan: is a kid. Yeah, you

reegs: is trying to make him like that, but he's just a kid, and that's when he runs home to his loving mother

Sidey: Who, who

dan: says, "Yeah," you know, "You gotta get with the program. Survival. Nobody's giving you anything."

Sidey: You gotta pull that trigger, yo.

dan: gotta, you've, "You've, gotta do it." Yeah.

Sidey: Harry Power

dan: gets

cris: taken to prison.

reegs: Yeah.

dan: Yeah.

reegs: I sort of divide it into three, this film, 'cause you, it's c- bo- I think they're called boy,

cris: Boy, man, and- ... monitor ... yeah, and monitor.

reegs: the sequences. So we've had the boy sequence, and we're about to transition into the man sequences. The young Ned is, like, quickly taken away for his crimes,

dan: Yeah. And he ma- he makes a friend, doesn't he? He makes the, the guy on the, on the train on the, the- Yeah ... yeah. The

cris: one with the hair.

dan: And the f- as, as the narration sort of says, he You know, they're, they're proper, proper mates these two, and

reegs: the movie plays with just how- Yeah ... matey they are. Quite often it'll show them spooning or being shot face-to-face again as if they were lovers. Never really, like, fully committing to it, but definitely putting the suggestion

dan: suggestion there. Well, all that kind of machoism of the Australian Outback and Ned Kelly is, is played in this movie as kinda not that way. And as we, as we go into his exploration of the upper classes and him going into different houses and, and things,

reegs: at the governor's house- Yeah you're talking about, fighting- Yeah ... three, like, years later.

dan: That, that's right. He, he's brought into this, Yeah, he's a prize fighter, isn't he, for, for rich people who are betting on him, and he's beating the fuck out of people, and that's how he's making a, a living at the time. And through that- He's

reegs: out a lot now. He's played by George MacKay, who I remember from 1917, but he's quite a big guy now, isn't

dan: what he was in, 1917. Yeah. Yeah. And he has, yeah. So we, we see, like, one scene actually when he It kind of turns that scene, doesn't he- Yeah ... from boy to man. And he's by a big English kind of flag.

reegs: British flag, yeah. And

dan: and

reegs: It's stretching in a really weird way.

dan: Yeah. He's- Like bending backwards, yeah. That's right. He's kind of bent over backwards. And then this kind of prize fight starts, and he's, he wins.

reegs: he's, he wins It's brutal. There's bl- And And then, and it's like the, the upper class is clapping and braying as they get sprayed with these two guys' blood all over

dan: Yeah.

reegs: it

dan: That's it. And Nicholas Hoult i- is there then. I thought he might have been the young man that he saved. Mm. I thought that might be... It didn't seem to be, No ... that was played into it as part of the plot or anything. No.

cris: a different name as well though. The-

reegs: was it?

cris: Yeah. The first kid that fell into the river had something else name, because it... I, I thought about that too, but then it- Mm ... it tells you the name of... Because he's the new constable.

reegs: Yeah.

dan: Yeah. Yeah, he's,

Sidey: I

cris: he's- I can't remember his name in the film Fitzpatrick ... Fitzpatrick. Yeah, he's the new constable after Charlie Hunnam. So, and then they meet up in the- In

reegs: the whorehouse ... at Mrs. Robinson's. It's amazing scene. A

cris: that's where, that's why he, Ned Kelly goes back home to see the family with his mate. Yeah. That's when they're really close face to face, and they're almost kissing or whatever. He goes to see his mom, and then he sees his brother Dan, and his one-eyed mate- Yeah that they're wearing dresses. Yeah. And he just goes like,

reegs: "What the fuck?" What

cris: What the fuck? And his mom now has a, a new lover, because it's all nar- narrated as well, right? Yeah. So it's like, oh, the mom has a boyfriend or a new fella that is my age. Yeah. And he's American, and he's got an absolute hairdo on him- Yeah the boy.

reegs: was a New Zealand singer. Marlon Williams, I think, was the guy's name. I thought he was pretty good in this movie, actually. Yeah.

cris: Yeah, he was. Great hair

reegs: amazing hair, and he'll do a little song. But yeah, he's constantly talking to him like, "I'm gonna be your dad." And he's literally, like, a year older than him.

cris: But he makes a point of, "I'm gonna be your daddy. Not even your dad. I'm gonna be your

dan: he's winding him up, isn't he? He's,

reegs: and, then

cris: he, he's like, "What the fuck were you wearing dresses for?" And h- his brother doesn't really say anything. He's like... And he's in... That's a great scene when he's in the bathtub with the fire underneath. Yeah. And his brother just comes over. He's, "I just like the dresses." And just drops him on the floor. All

dan: He's like, "Oh, damn." It's, it, it, it's really weird you say the haircuts, but they're all... And, and the stylistic is quite punky, like- Yeah

reegs: Yeah ... going on. Well, a few times they'll anachronistically play punk music. Most of the stuff is trying to be quite authentic, but occ- occasionally it'll play punk music as, as a backdrop to, to fights and stuff.

Sidey: Just as...

dan: yeah, just as the, the wildness and the, you know, the-

cris: And that's where is

dan: conforming to any-

cris: at Mrs. Robinson's.

reegs: It's brilliant, the scene, because Nicholas Hoult's character, he's, like, this ultra-obnoxious Victorian repressed, not repressed policeman, but he's, like, the absolute opposite. He just wants to make everybody's life miserable, experience all the all the things that humanity has to offer. All the drugs, all the women. He likes them young evidently, as he'll mention that he's already had the prostitute that Mary, that will end up being

dan: Ned's- Bo- bo- boys and girls, Boys

reegs: girls. Yeah, there's an amazing bit where he's just got those suspenders on, and they're chatting- The suspender socks ... after the sex. Suspender socks, yeah. He looks incredible. And yeah, 'cause he says to Ned, "Oh, I d- I wouldn't trust a man who doesn't have at least one vice." So he forces him essentially really into this meeting with Mary, who takes his heart.

dan: Yeah

reegs: and she's got a kid.

cris: him, "That's not someone you would want. Don't tell me you're, you've fallen

reegs: love." Falling in love,

dan: don't fall

reegs: never really met a girl before really, has he? No. He's been in prison and

cris: look- And then fighting.

Sidey: Yeah.

dan: And now she marries-

reegs: baby, and it will fucking turn out pretty quick. Everybody works it out way quicker than he does. But it's actually George his mother's lover's baby- Yeah ... that he's impregnated her at the local whorehouse. So that's obviously gonna make things a bit tricky at Christmas. Well,

dan: I- is he, is he... Yeah. Is

Sidey: He

dan: does, is he makes that obvious a little bit later on. But there's some really weird dance scenes where they- you've got like, rabbits heads and kind of horses heads and it's, it's a real mix of dark- He's, he's singing, isn't he? The, the, Yeah, is it... But

Sidey: that, yeah. Yeah, it is. It... But it's-

dan: it's almost like a cultish, you know, what's going on there. And Holt there Fitzpatrick, he's talking to this young boy and saying, "Oh, you know, let me read your, your palm. Oh, that

reegs: his sister

dan: It was his sister. That was his sister, was

reegs: but she's just really, really young. It's getting like- Well- 'Cause sh- the other one, Mary's really young, but this one in the movie is probably about 12.

cris: 14 maybe.

reegs: Yeah. It's like fucking hell, and he's starting to sleaze onto her, and he's going, he's going, "Oh, this, this line says you're promiscuous."

Sidey: Yeah.

reegs: Well, like- Yeah.

dan: Oh, it's, it turns

reegs: really, like, making me cringe- Yeah actually just thinking of him.

cris: But I

dan: the good guys.

cris: no? That- I think that's their wedding yeah. Yeah

reegs: wedding. Yeah. Yeah

cris: to be the wedding between George- George and- ... his mom ... his

reegs: mom, yeah.

dan: and that's the good guys. That's the, the constable of the, the police force- Yeah you know. So you- Yeah ... can imagine what the rest of them are, are like. Not that bad actually. Yeah. Yeah. He, he's the one in charge. It's all gonna come to a head and, and Ned, as we know in the story, is eventually gonna just- Well,

cris: there's ... Sorry. There's the promise that the constable says, "Your brother, we know he stole some horses." Yeah ... there's ... I'm gonna t- I'm gonna speak to my superiors and tell them we'll, we'll turn a blind eye if you let me court your sister.

reegs: Yeah, see, blatantly they're pimping out the however young this girl is- Yeah ... on the promise that these charges are gonna be dropped, and then he just one day, like, as he's like... Oh, it's really horrible. He's, like, kissing her at the-

cris: her a dress- Yeah ... and he's like, "Try it

reegs: put it on. Put it

cris: front of everyone.

reegs: And he's, like, kissing up behind her neck, and then they're like, "Oh, so what's with the charges?" They're, "Oh, yeah. The sods couldn't make that

dan: disappear." Well, I got, I got you four months instead of it, and he goes, you know, "I've got him to lessen the charges, not drop them, but I've got him to lessen the charges," which he thinks he's done a great deal with. But the Kellys-

cris: Like, "No, that wasn't the deal" ... said,

dan: no, you, you said nothing." And then it all gets a little bit shooty. He gets shot in the hand. Not shot dead, but it, it was heightened. The mother is having a go, "Why you didn't shoot him? Why you didn't kill him? Isn't there any men in this?" And he's, he's kind of emasculating him and saying-

reegs: and saying, "Oh, you're not the kind of man who could do that anyway," and all this stuff. Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah.

dan: And this then starts coming to a head then because yeah, they start to get a gang together, don't they? Yeah. They start to go through this-

reegs: I mean, it's really the, the, the brothers have stolen horses, haven't they? Yeah. So there's warrants issued for that. So after this they scarper off into the hills basically a way to, to get away from everything whilst Fitzpatrick searches for them- Yeah pretty much is the, is the

cris: And they go to ... What was his name? Russell Crowe's, Harry Power

reegs: Harry Power ... favorite hut.

cris: Harry Power's hut. Yeah. Bullet

dan: Canyon or something. Yeah.

cris: And they hide

reegs: Wombat Rangers

cris: He's

Sidey: Is that

dan: what it was called? The Wombat

reegs: Is that

Sidey: The Wombat Ranges.

reegs: Rangers. And then it, we sort of get through a portion of, Is it, do they recruit the gang after the ... There's a sort of moment where, 'cause he's not done... Although they've done these, they've always had horrible things happen to them, right? And been responding to it, but there's a moment where they confront and then kill those guys in the woods that feels like a turning point.

dan: it is a turning point- Yeah 'cause they could go round them. Yeah. They don't have to, but Ned's had enough of turning around

cris: also his mom goes to prison.

Sidey: His mom,

reegs: that's right. His mom's carted off to prison.

cris: So then he's,

reegs: he, he, and,

cris: and that's when she makes a point of, "You didn't kill him." Yeah. "Now they're taking me."

reegs: Yeah. Zero fucks. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Zero

cris: So instead of going these people that are looking for them, instead of going around them, they just decide that's it.

dan: gun down the cops- Yeah ... and he's gone full feral. He's even cutting off the ears of dead coppers

reegs: now about this concept. The father was in this, the Sons of Sieve, which is, like, they dre- it's like an Irish rebellion against the English. Yeah. It has longstanding roots, and part of it is to scare your opponents by just dressing crazy and then also- Yeah ... to cover your tracks. So that's why they cover their faces in, like, mud and they get black face, basically. Full black face. Yeah And dresses on.

dan: And, and what was the cutting ears over? Yeah. Do you

cris: To scare them- Scare them ... to be like you, you can't scare anything that's crazy. So that's- Yeah. Well ... that's the thing, right? That's what they, that's what they say, that nothing scares you like crazy. Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause if you see someone and you think he's crazy, I'm scared. And

reegs: And Fitzpatrick is sort of on their tail. He has a horrible sequence with their mom in prison where he's naked. He's, he's, like, wanking, isn't he? He pulls his, like- Yeah ... pants down. Yeah. He's just cut off, and he's just sort of trying to get hard and, like, talk to her. She starts ripping him and clawing at him, and he punches her in the face really- Yeah grim. But he's starting to lose it as well, isn't he? 'Cause he can't get close to them as their... I mean, this part I felt was a bit rushed, is they sort of become outlaws. They sort of recruit a gang. They sort of take some hostages.

dan: rob a bank. They, they kind of, Yeah ... yeah. It's, it's like a an ISIS moment where they've just got everybody in like hostages, as you say. And it all starts getting shooty and bloody and, and,

reegs: and

dan: They, they end up getting him, don't they? I mean, you've got the-

reegs: Fitzpatrick loses it. I think, is he removed from the case where after he, he goes round to threaten the baby? He's got the gun- Yeah ... and he's shouting at the baby. If you've ever wanted to hold a gun to a baby or shout at it, this is the movie for you. Yeah.

dan: Yeah,

cris: Which is really strange,

reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Roger

dan: yeah, he's completely, he's completely lost it,

reegs: completely lost it. He's absolutely lost it at this point, yeah. And so anyway, the big plan is to m- to kind of... They recruit this gang together and take these hostages to draw a load of police out, and they're gonna blow up the railroad or take some, some of the railings- Track off the track, and the train is gonna derail, and that's gonna kill most of them, and then the gang's gonna finish off what's left, and

dan: they're gonna free their mum. It's

reegs: built... Th- then afterwards they're gonna go and free the mum, and they've built these suits of armor. They shoot each other as a test.

cris: guy shoots himself in the head.

dan: Yeah. Yeah.

reegs: shoots himself in the head. It's amazing. Yeah. Shoots himself in the head to prove it. They look sort of like knights almost,

dan: yeah, well, this, this is it. It's all out, this this steel, isn't it? It's, it's body armor and,

Sidey: I think that's, that's kind of what you know him for- That's- ... don't you? That's what you know him for ... he

dan: you know Ned from. Like

Sidey: de Patrin look of... Yeah.

dan: And you know, the, the story that I've heard in- Even seen in there's a-

Sidey: you would've ran it at the time, wouldn't

dan: a Heath, there's a Heath Ledger one. There's a Heath Ledger, Yes, yeah ... Ned one that is obviously a lot more romantic than this one. It's a lot

Sidey: there's quite a lot of romance in this.

reegs: Well, usually the story is romanticized, isn't it? Yeah. So this is a, a, a completely different examination of that legend or

dan: yeah. It, this, this is a lot sort of dirtier and, and punkier and, and,

Sidey: It's

reegs: up in lots of themes about Australia's identity and trauma and all

dan: Yeah. I- it's where it's- Ben Cong got all these macho kind of- Yeah ... men in, in previous ones. They're, they're very much y- you know, confused in, in this one. And they end up catching Ned, of course they do. And-

Sidey: there's,

reegs: bit again, I thought was lost a bit, but he has this weird conversation, 'cause he's a writer and he, he gets this class the high school teacher out of the hostages that they've got with them. Mm. And suddenly that guy, after critiquing his writing, finds himself free, and he's able to warn the police before they come down on- Derail the train ... the train, before they derail the train. So with no host- with just hostages, no gang members who've all fled now. It's just the f- the two... Well, it's the two Kelly brothers, the hangers on, and Joe- Yeah and the hostages. And a real army. You d- at first you can just see lights, their torches in the distance, and there's gotta be 100 men or more. And they start shooting at them, and they're picking them off one by one. But those lights are getting a lot closer. And then it goes into, like, the full on... This bit was, like, all strobes, wasn't it? Yeah. And crazy, like, white cloaked figures outside, and point of view shots from within the claustrophobic tin of the helmet, and a lot of blood and people puking and-

Sidey: Yeah.

cris: also the police didn't care about the hostages. No. They just shot through

reegs: it on fire collateral damage.

cris: They're like, "That's it." No, because by then the,

reegs: all out by then, but they just didn't give a fuck. They're

cris: they're like, "That's it." They shot through the whole wall, and they're like, "There's hostages in there. We don't give a fuck. We're gonna kill all of them- Yeah ... but we're getting him." Yeah. And he just puts the armor at the end when he sees his brother choking to death in his own blood.

reegs: And Joe as well, I think is already dead at this point, maybe. Yeah. And he goes out, and he does take a good few of them down, doesn't he? Just stood there like a fucking maniac shooting at these people. Yeah. But he is eventually taken out and down. And then we get a series of, like, still shots then, don't we, of the police, like, with the body of Joe tied up against the tree, and them sort of solemnly standing there for a photo and the burnt corpses as well. Yeah.

Sidey: Grim

dan: Yeah. Grim town. And he's then taken off to be hanged. Yeah.

Sidey: His mom gives him a shout-out. Yeah. "Die like a Kelly."

dan: That's right. Which

Sidey: interesting, 'cause we had the one last week

reegs: The opposite

Sidey: the execution, where it's like kill the mythology. You've gotta go out like a coward- Yeah so that no one f- And this is like exactly the

reegs: polar opposite. I was thinking the same thing after...

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You go out like a hero, and then the mythology lives on. Yeah. You know? Couldn't

reegs: don't give him the satisfaction is what she

Sidey: says.

cris: Yeah. Don't say anything, you're gonna be weak, whatever. Yeah.

dan: Yeah. And he, he, he doesn't... He, he kinda goes to the the gallows. It's a long circular kind of climb up to- Mm ... the top of a, a kind of tower which he's then dropped down on the long rope, and he doesn't last too long, although it looks incredibly painful if his... I can't believe his neck never snapped, but,

reegs: and it's a bit, the s- shot lingers on it, right? Whereas he's convulsing- Yeah ... and it's shot from afar, so you can see the whole thing

dan: the feet. Yeah. And then it cuts to like, what would be the parliament, I guess, and a,

Sidey: a politician

dan: talking about

cris: No, it's the

reegs: the teacher It was

cris: a

dan: Sorry, yeah. Yeah. Talking about how you know, England have Disraeli American have got Lincoln or, or whoever it was at the, at the time. I can't remember. And Australia needs to have better role models basically- Yeah ... 'cause we're all looking up to Ned Kelly like he's the hero. Yeah. And until we kind of make a better role model than that, then we're gonna be going round in circles here. And then it kinda just

reegs: There's just a little text epilogue at the end. He was, before his death, he was requested that his mother was released, which was denied, and he requested that his body be handed over to his family or family for burial in consecrated ground, which was also

cris: Denied denied. Yeah.

reegs: So yeah.

cris: And then that's it.

reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: a winner, baby. Yes.

cris: is. Yeah. Nedley,

Sidey: yeah. Nedley Kelly. Ned Flanders.

dan: of a tough watch, to be honest. Yeah. Found this a

Sidey: Watch, to be honest.

cris: Yeah Found this- It's also long

dan: watch. It's a long one. It's a long... It was a long film. Yeah. I just- It's bleak, isn't it? I... Yeah. Very bleak, yeah. I, I'd just come off the back of Marty which was an in- Marty Supreme- Yeah ... who wasn't a very likable character. Yeah,

Sidey: there's not a lot of laughs this week.

dan: I could've... Yeah, I could've done with a bit more of a laugh than,

Sidey: You had Wes Ham. That was funny.

dan: Yeah. There's, I mean, some of these film I remember, you know, they stay with you, these films, I think. There's certain scenes that even when you've finished watching them you're like, "Wow." You'll, you'll go back to it. I remember watching Nil by Mouth with- Oof ... you know? Yeah. It's like- Mega loss ... y- yeah, ma- You, you don't get... This isn't as bleak as, as maybe

Sidey: I say Nil by Mouth and Requiem for a Dream are the two most, like, appallingly difficult movies I've ever seen. Yeah.

dan: And this is, this is a, a tough watch. Brilliantly acted, I must say. There's some great performances in there

reegs: and, Mostly an English and Irish cast

dan: And basically an entire Irish cast ... and I thought the, the kinda cameo almost that Russell Crowe plays, Is good, yeah ... is, is, is really good. I'd like to have seen

Sidey: to have seen... Massive, what a beard. Yeah. I'd like

reegs: to

cris: have seen... It's massive.

dan: he's one big. Yeah ... yeah, I'd like to have seen... Man, what a beard. Yeah. I'd like to have seen that character a, a little bit more but and played around that. And you, although it's not true to the story, you would like to see of him been a role model for, for Ned and brought him through, but he was

Sidey: if this was a Marvel film, you'd get, you'd get maybe like a, a power spin-off or maybe a, a series. Yeah. You know? If it's... But no, not, not in this world. Well, I, I- Yeah. Yeah, yeah

dan: as I say, I've seen the Heath Ledger one where actually it's romanticized and there's a lot more to enjoy about Ned Kelly and his gang, and,

Sidey: This is probably more like what it was like- Yeah ... to survive, you know? I don't know, you know, the outlaw stuff, whatever.

dan: Yeah. When, when you-

Sidey: Also I think when you go into, when you... There gets a point when you've committed enough crime and you're a full on outlaw where it's- Zero percent ... you know there's, you're not getting out of this life. No. So how long can it go? It's like suicide by cop or whatever. Yeah. Where you just, you're gonna do enough damage and then you're out, I guess.

dan: there's enough sort of alarm bells ringing when you're watching a nine-year-old, 10-year-old watching his mom suck off the the local police sergeant, I guess, in the first few minutes of the film, to realize this could be

Sidey: This kid's not getting out here unscathed. Yeah, this could be...

dan: And it is a case of despite his own natural self, which you see is a, a pretty good person up until- Mm-hmm ...

Sidey: he just- ... you know, that ... I guess that's the point is- He

dan: too far

Sidey: if he'd had-

dan: a better

Sidey: chance at the start. You know, there was a totally different outcome for him, but he was kind of trapped in that from the get-go. Yeah.

reegs: of generational trauma going on there. And that, and that was one of the things I liked about it because that's part of what the movie's about, Australia's identity through that, and its roots in the Catholic and the, the, you know, the Victorian England's oppression of them and

Sidey: and all that. And they lost the test match the other day as well.

reegs: Did they? Yesterday,

Sidey: Yesterday, yeah. Lol.

cris: Yeah. Mega LOL

Sidey: would be I would like to know what Mel thinks about it, 'cause she's been in touch a few times on Discord recently, chatting away. So, Hey, Mel ... a bit of a

reegs: I think it looked amazing. Yeah. It had, like, it, it had lots of visually inventive sequences and flashes of color and painterly skies and all that sort of stuff, so had that going for it too.

dan: I mean, that first scene, white horse, red dress-

Sidey: the cross-dressing I could be into, yeah, for sure ... little

dan: blee. I mean, we could be in, in- Nappies ... dresses and nappies

cris: Yeah.

Sidey: nappies. That could be

dan: quite funny.

Sidey: Money details. Do we know money? Do we know money? Not consistently reported budget figures for it. But we're looking at really no money taken for it box office-wise. I don't know what the distribution of it. Was it just local, you know, Australian market? But it's all British and Irish cast, isn't it? So-

reegs: A lot,

cris: think

Sidey: it would got- But it's film four,

reegs: it was a film four with an Australian,

Sidey: talking about, we're talking about only half a million box office. Yeah. Oh, right. Okay. And you think with that cast, with Russell Crowe in there and Charlie Hunnam and it must have... It

reegs: in

dan: how much to make ... it must've... It

Sidey: say. It's just not, not really reported. But irrespective of that, I think the film looks great.

reegs: great. It is bleak, but I think it's terrific as well. Really well acted and looks amazing.

dan: Is it the kind of film you'd watch again?

Sidey: Maybe. Yeah?

reegs: I mean, I, I'd have to be in the right mood to, you know, watch all that trauma and-

Sidey: Mum sex

reegs: mum sex and...

cris: sex and-

dan: a really good mood if you wanted to- Yeah ... to go down. Yeah. To bring you down, yeah. I dunno.

cris: Yeah bring it down. To bring it down, yeah. I dunno, I, I, I enjoyed it. And it- look, y- we kinda know the story anyway, right? It's not, you're not really surprised. This guy

Sidey: does crimes and gets killed for it.

cris: exactly. You're not really- I didn't know the story- Oh, I wonder what happened

reegs: happened? to be honest.

Sidey: I didn't know about the cross-dressing stuff. I, I knew

reegs: knew about the, the helmet- Yeah ... and he had a gang, but I thought he was like a Billy the Kid or a Robin Hood

cris: Yeah, but you knew he was dead, right? So, so you knew he didn't- Yeah ... he didn't ride into the sunset. So I dunno. I, I didn't look into it before it either. It's not like I'm Australian or anything. It's not part of my culture, but it was just, I kinda knew that-

reegs: that accent's not Australian. No.

dan: Oh,

cris: Believe it or not. That's great. G'day.

reegs: G'day.

cris: There were a few... And obviously it's more cu- more cultural than anything else, but there are a few things with the... Whenever he speaks to, to whoever's English in the film, it's like, "Oh, you're doing to us what you did with the Blacks." And, or like the Aboriginal, right? So, or, "You're doing this." It's, it's, it's all in that time and the way it worked really, right? It's exactly what you said earlier. It's like this is probably how it was. Mm. The closest thing you would see is there's no romance, there's no- No ... sunshine and, oh my God, that's-

Sidey: None of

cris: that was not easy. And you eat socks and, you know- ... it's like, it's, it's just... And- It's always the socks

Sidey: it's just... And there was a sock- Did

reegs: just- It's always the

Sidey: did you look around and the first

reegs: first he saw

Sidey: saw was a sock? The first thing I saw was a... Yeah. But it's like, you

cris: the, the dad is dead. You get his shoes and

Sidey: you wear it, man ... that's it.

cris: You, you know, someone is dead there, you get his coat. And there wasn't, that wasn't a, a fiction. That was just how it was. Mm. Right? And I dunno. I mean, again, I'm not gonna- Get this as a gospel and as a... But, but for me it was the, the main reason why I put it as a nom was because it's based on a real person. Okay. I always like a film that is... And obviously it's a film, so it's not gonna be exactly about what happened, but-

Sidey: I mean, they tell you that

reegs: It is. Yeah. I think this is heavily f- like, deviating away- Yeah ... from what the story is supposed to be, but-

dan: There, there was one scene where they see the guy who's sat up on a chair on a tree with his bollocks in his mouth. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Nice.

dan: And they take the shoes

reegs: You'd do it too if you could.

Sidey: Yeah.

dan: yeah ... and they tie up the shoes- Yeah ... and there's like a string of shoes, and he throws them over- Misses

cris: Yeah. And just leaves them

dan: And there I thought, "He's gonna have another go, aren't you?" But he doesn't, he just goes back to the horse. No, he's gonna

reegs: fucked. That'll

dan: I was... Yeah, exactly. I thought, "Aren't you gonna... Would you just leave them there?" Everybody else's shoes up there. You'd pick them up and have another go and, you know. Yeah.

Sidey: One and done.

reegs: like the opposite of the pizza on the roof moment from Breaking

Sidey: Yeah.

dan: Yeah. There you go.

reegs: Strong

Sidey: Strong recommend.

dan: that spoiled the movie for me. Yeah. He didn't make the, he

Sidey: a mid recommend

dan: throw. Yeah. So, Strong recommend ... it's, it's another mid for me.

cris: Strong.

reegs: Strong. Strong. I really liked it. Strong.

cris: too, strong. Strong recommend ...

Sidey: Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong recommend. Strong. Strong. Let us know what you think Another week, another... Might be back to being just me and you next week. You're in France?

cris: if everything works out, yeah. You're going

reegs: I'm in France as well, yeah. Oh,

dan: You're in France? I'll be in France as well, yeah. Both of you in French France? Frenchies over there.

reegs: Yeah.

cris: Yeah.

Sidey: So w- well, let's do wolf week.

dan: do a, a French movie.

Sidey: No, we'll do wolf week.

reegs: what's in

dan: Wolf Week? Wolf of Wall Street.

Sidey: Yeah. And- Teen Wolf. Oh, that's a shout. But it was gonna be- Yeah. What else? Yeah. It was

cris: Yeah, what else

dan: It was gonna be Jack Nicholson Wolf.

reegs: All right.

Sidey: No, I think we, I think we've done that or something else. Anyway, it's gonna be top five wolves.

reegs: And Team Wolf too.

Sidey: And ooh. Hmm. Oh, go on. Who are you- There will be, there'll be a lot of wolf content. Yeah. It's wolf week.

dan: Okay. There you go. Yeah

Sidey: all that remains is to say, Sidi signing out. La riva de. Reese

reegs: left the building.

dan: Dan's gone