Gangs/Revolutions & True History of the Kelly Gang

SPEAKER_04 0:12

So, Dan, you were just about to explain a brief period in your life when you wore a nappy that was in your adult years.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Totally normal conversation we're having about wearing adult diapers. As you get to a certain age, you know, incontinence kicks in, and we're having this conversation. And for a joke, I was bought some of these nappy kind of pants a few years ago. But you thought you'd try them out? Yeah, 100%. Try them out. Like Siddy, how much do they cost on an apple? Pound of piss.

SPEAKER_05 0:44

Subscribe and save. Pound of piss. Is that what they're called? A pound of piss? No, no, but it's fifteen in a pack, and it's fifteen pounds exactly. So that's great.

SPEAKER_04 0:51

Is that don't isn't that quite hard to do to piss yourself as a as an adult?

SPEAKER_05 0:55

I'm more concerned about the aftermath because then you're sitting in piss. I know that it does wick it away, but still.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

But was it one he wants or is it more so you can do it so you let's say you're only one way to find out?

SPEAKER_04 1:10

Did you ever piss when I was in the room?

SPEAKER_03 1:12

In I don't think I'd used them with you guys. It was a it was a family affair. Of course it was the safety of his own. Yeah, in the in the safety of of my own tribe. Yeah. But yeah, I used them and it was quite funny because they're these big blue underpants, essentially.

SPEAKER_04 1:31

And sometimes, you know, you're watching TV, toilets like all the way over there, and you just be in your house from the TV to the toilet, it's got to be a good fifteen no, maybe ten paces.

SPEAKER_03 1:44

Yeah. And or you've got to go upstairs if somebody's downstairs, or you just let it go. And like being in a pool, like being in a swimming pool.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:55

Never been in a body of water, not pissed in.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

Yeah. Really? What like in a in a jacuzzi, you're just pissing it. Yeah. Plunge pool with me and Dan, just two of us.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

When we were in the jacuzzi in the I've been in the cold plunge.

SPEAKER_05 2:07

Did you piss it? I've been in the cold plunge. Yeah, of course. And someone else gets in and just dunks their head under water and I'm like, I've just bit Yeah. Avoid the hot spot in the cold plunge.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Sometimes people get in into the the cold plunge at the spa after the sauna when they've been sweating. Yeah. Or they deserve it. They deserve it. They've been straight away and they haven't had a shower and they're straight in there, and you think, you dirty bastards. I hope you enjoy the piss. But yeah, the the underpants are something I think we should definitely revisit and maybe do as a communal kind of is this the intro?

SPEAKER_05 2:48

Is there a proper intro? Is this it? This is it. Oh nice, okay, cool. We're not just going to talk about piss. No. We do have a top five to talk about. Yeah, top five revolutions. Top five revolutions.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Gangs. I'm not really sure. It was gangslash.

SPEAKER_05 3:02

I put bold sort of thing. I've just got I've gone all gang really. I've gone revolutions. Okay. Things that turn around a lot. Yeah. And then a movie which is the true story of Ned Kelly or Kelly History of the Kelly gang. The true history of the Kelly gang. And then an outro, probably.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

So has anyone watching anything else? I watched The Last House on Netflix. The Doctor's House. It's just called The Last House. It had a sort of intriguing premise of people being trapped inside their houses one day. Oh right. But it's a strong not recommend for that.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

Not the loot the Laurie Hugh Laurie thing. No. Where he's Doctor House.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

No, not The Last House. No.

SPEAKER_05 3:40

The last episode of that. Okay, see what you mean. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:43

So it's a not recommended. A strong not recommend for that, yeah. Because it's shit terrible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

I've I've been reading a lot. Which has put me not in the movie world and the film world lately. So you know movie of your mind, Dan. The movie of my mind. It's playing in it, I imagine one of those Well, it's all the the Len Deaton books that I've been reading. They did make, I think I might have mentioned in a previous pod, they did make a TV series of it, but it wasn't not recommended. Yeah, it w it wasn't a good faithful adaptation, so I didn't want to get involved and I've just kept to the films and the books.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Chris? I've watched a few bits because obviously I was away last week in Romania and I've saved some stuff. And again, because with the Netflix and Amazon Prime, you can download things on on my tablets. It's not terrible, but it's not it's an action crime film, whatever. Look like it was trying to be heat from the old. It does, it does kind of Chris Hemsworth. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting and it's it's slick, it's really cool made, but you can kind of see where everything is going and how everything is gonna happen. I watched the first episode of the short limited series, which is called Death by Lightning, which is on Netflix. Is it literally about that? I don't, it's about some I I can't really tell you because I was on the flight and guys with big beards set in the in America. After Abraham Lincoln or something like that, is is some guy who I think Michael Shannon's in it. Yes, Michael Shannon. Yeah, he likes him. He it it the first episode was really good. It's the premise of a guy who's in the Congress who's retired in his country estate in Ohio, and he does the for the for the for his party for the uh presidential candidate, yeah, but they all want him to and in the end, in in a in a in a really long way around, he gets put out as the next president, the the next candidate for this party, and then I think is the story of how that goes, and it's the story of Michael Shannon and this other guy who's pretty much a liar and a hustler, coming back to one what we've done midweek, and you can see that their paths will collide at some point, but I don't know yet because I've only seen I think it's a four-part series, so it's a limited series, not it's not big, but I haven't watched I haven't finished it. And I watched something else, but I can't really tell you now what it will be because I can't remember. There was there was obviously because I watched quite a few things that I downloaded on my I did a couple of cartoons as well, I remember.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

I did sort of Rick and Morty series nine. Is it nine or ten? The latest one. The latest one. And there was also a Batman Cape Crusader one, and there was a second series of that that's just come out, which is quite cool as well. So we did that for the pod along. We did, and so it was a first series, and now the second series has eventually come out like last year or or early this year, and I caught up with a few episodes of that. It was bad it wasn't bad.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

Like um Rick and Morty, I'd seen all of it. I haven't seen all of C R series nine yet, but I've seen two or three episodes of that. But it's just amazing that Justin Royland has been fired and it just keeps on going, all the voices and Sorry, I I didn't want to interrupt you.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

I just wanted to I remember I watched the Mourinho thing on Netflix. Well you did that, so didn't you?

SPEAKER_03 7:08

Oh, I did the first episode.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

I watched the whole thing, yeah. Sorry, sorry to interrupt. That was that was what I watched, and I have said I don't have too many high hopes, but it's a good it's a good three-part series, I think. And it's i it kind of goes to Chelsea, Inter Real Madrid, Chelsea again and something else. Not really the theory.

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Well he was already in the all-or-nothing, wasn't he? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:36

I watched The Invite. Oh, is that good? It's really good. Yeah, it looks good. Okay. Who? What? Seth Rogan and Olivia Wilde, and she directed it as well. They're a sort of bickering married couple, and they invite their neighbours from upstairs down, there's Ed Norton and Penelope Cruz. He can always hear them fucking kind of. They're not getting on, and he's ri Well they're both really annoyed because they've also got a daughter, and he's having to like try to explain what these fucking sex noises are from upstairs, and they're just always at it. And then you know, as the movie comes on, comes along, they have people over for group sex, sex parties, and all this sort of stuff, and they invite them up to, you know, do you want to get involved? Then obviously there's like Olivia Wilde's got the connection with Ed Norton, you know, and it's all like, how's that gonna play out? It's fucking good actually. Yeah. I feel I fancied that. Yeah, because it looks insane in it as well.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

Have you ever had that kind of invite?

SPEAKER_05 8:32

All the time, yeah. Yeah. But I've always got my appearance. Yeah, it takes the edge off.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Somebody had put it on Facebook recently. I want to get involved in swinging. In in swinging in Jersey. Facebook, that's quite anonymous. Like, you know, where do I go? And people were saying, Oh, pampas grass and upside down pineapple.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

Shopping trolley is the one, yeah. Or there's there's some of the dogging spots that are fairly well known as well. You've seen a few people don't. Yeah, I saw that uh the recycling at Grainville, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Recycling at Grainville's a dogging spot? Yeah. Okay, right. Anyway, I've got some glass.

SPEAKER_05 9:08

And I started, but I haven't finished Mortal Kombat 2, strong recommend. Oh, I've seen that. It's brilliant. Yeah, yeah. Johnny Kay's the movie in the movie is brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 9:16

Carl Keith Keith Urban.

SPEAKER_05 9:19

Keith Urban is Nicole Kidman's husband, I think. Is it? X maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But invite I would give a strong recommend to the invite, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:27

And Kano uh with the the South African guy, have you got to him in the eye? Oh, he's funny as well. He's like in a completely different movie to everybody else. Strong recommend. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:37

Right, should we crack on and talk about gangs slash revolutions? Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Chris.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Do you want to give us some of your I'm gonna say the Prince Revolution that comes to mind, which is is technically a rebellion revolution, whatever you want to call it, is I'm pretty sure there'd been films made about it, but it's the Romanian Revolution in 1989, of which I was alive, and I've Were you involved in some way? No, I was only five. I couldn't really guess. Yeah. In that phase. It was funny that last week I went to Romania to see my family, and I was kind of speaking to my mum and dad, and my dad was working for the metro. So he was he was obliged to go to work in that time. And he said that my mom reminded me, I didn't really remember. My dad used to always bring us the sh the empty shells. And my mum said to me, She's like, Yeah, in my head, I thought my dad always brought them. She's like, Yeah, do you not remember that he went to play in the field outside the school area, and you came home and you brought the the shells, and my dad was like, Oh no, don't touch them anymore, never bring them home. And I was like, Why? They're really shiny. You know, just as a kid. And I remember because we lived on the eighth floor and you could kind of see there was an army base, you could see in the distance, it wasn't very close, but you can kind of see in the distance, and you could hear the gunshots and stuff. We didn't live in the city centre, so we didn't really get involved in the action. But my dad had to go and because he would have to go to the metro, he would get searched like prison, you know, like they would do strip searches and everything because although he had this working card or whatever, they still had to check because it was such a turbulent project. And obviously we we shot Chaoscu on Christmas Day as well. So it went on. On Christmas Day. On very quickly it it uh flashed to a minge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It went really quickly, and that's probably the first one I er I remember, and I do remember it. The execution, yes. I don't know if it was live, but they showed it to twelve o'clock at night. Right. Because obviously there was the kids and stuff and they couldn't show it. Because that's the the first step that apparently if anyone wants to start the revolution, the first step you do is you take over government government buildings and the media, radio and the television. Yeah. There you go.

SPEAKER_04 11:57

Well, I've gone more gangy. So I've gone for what I think is one of the quintessential gang movies, Walter Hill's 1979 movie, The Warriors. Oh, I see. That been sampled in loads of tunes as well. It's just a it's about the charismatic what's his name? Cyrus. He's the leader of the Rifts, the most powerful gang in New York, and he's doing this big speech to them all at the beginning, and you really like going along with him right up until the moment that he's executed, and this gang, the warriors. They're no better than any of the other gangs that are roaming around, but you're they're the one that you're following, and they've got to make their way back across New York, pinned for the blame for this murder that they didn't do back to their home territory and go through all these other gangs to get there. And that's what's probably the great part of have you got it there, have you got the soundtrack? That's actually the the wanderers, not the which is one that I was gonna talk about. Yeah. So, yeah, it's just got a you know, it's great production design and all the different inventive gangs. You've got the Lizzy's, which is like this girl gang, and you've got the best one is the baseball furies. They've got this like kiss face paint on, and they're all dressed up in like baseball outfits, carrying bats and stuff. It's just a like a really grimy 70s exploitation. Not exploitation, but you know, grimy sort of 70s movie and about gangs and stuff. It's really good.

SPEAKER_03 13:24

Classic. So it's not far from this kind of era as well, The Wanderers, which had a brilliant soundtrack, Walk Like a Man.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Walk Like a Man.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

Yeah, he's the highest voice to sing it. And it was all around these kind of different dynamics. It's quite a look here, isn't it? There's a guy on the back of this vinyl record I've got in here. Yeah, he was he was one of the the heads of the the gangs and the the kind of characters that you you follow around. Sometimes you go up to their house and you realise their their dad is just an absolute arsehole to them and all the rest of it. And so going out and being part of a gang and being part of the wanderers as it as it was in in this kind of gang, who are a little bit like the Grease Lightning Lot, you know, Danny LaRusso and these kind of slip back teddy boy kind of fellas. It's a it's a really good soundtrack, as I say, uh a decent movie too. And yeah, they it was just all these different gangs in Detroit or wherever it was set, I can't quite remember to be honest, but a decent movie actually. It's one that maybe will all cross over on a on a pod one time.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

Yeah, yeah. I was gonna go straight in with the Rebel Alliance. Yeah. What's that thing called? Star Wars. Yeah. Well, and so we started off with the three movies, and then we've seen it through all sort of parts of its gestation, if you like. Yeah. From Rogue One right back to Andor. And now they've got what's it, Starfight or whatever that's coming. Well, you've got uh Ashoka season two.

SPEAKER_04 14:56

Yeah. The trailer looked quite good for that. Have you seen it's got three bits of lightsaber.

SPEAKER_05 15:02

Yeah, it's like it's getting like spinal chat. I've got eleven lightsabers. Yeah. And that one, Thrawn then declares war on Elon Thrawn, yeah. Yeah, the thingy. And it's quite interesting because they're the goodies, if you like. Yeah. But they are essentially terrorists, yeah, depending on which way you look at the story. From a certain point of view. Yeah, although the Empire are effectively like fairly fucking horrendous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:27

Do you see because they've got the the leaks from D23 or whatever it is, the Disney convention. Ryan Gosling has got another cool jacket because he's in that Starfighter. I wonder if he basically. Yeah, he's in.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

That's the first one that has no what is it, the first one has no scene's jacket in it?

SPEAKER_04 15:45

It's an upside-down Rebel Alliance thing with a like a it looks like a skull and crossbones. It's just another cool jacket. How does he do it? Where does he get these jackets?

SPEAKER_05 15:54

So that'd be good. He's also doing Ghost Rider, do you see? Yeah. It's hard to do, but yeah, Rebel Alliance.

SPEAKER_04 16:00

I think Marvel's just hard to do, isn't it? It's hard to give a shit about any of it, really.

SPEAKER_05 16:03

Well, there was some extra footage from Doomsday. Did you see it? Yeah, it looks dog shit.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Some people just laughing. It just looks awful. I mean, I'll probably see it, but everything I see of it just looks terrible. And everything I heard about it, that they were still writing it as they were filming it and all that sort of stuff, just sounds like a really bad way to make a movie.

SPEAKER_05 16:20

I still got sucked into that latest footage because when he says hell answers to me because I am doom, I'm like, that's pretty cool. Yeah. I know, exactly. So I will watch it, you know, no doubt, no doubt about it. I will definitely watch it. It's back to you, Chris, I think.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Yeah. I've got another Rebellion or Revolution, which is a failed one, but very close, came very close call. It's a 1960, I'm gonna say, film, and it's a three hour and seventeen minutes movie. Crumbles. Which I remember watching, and I remember watching with my dad, and I've watched it quite a few times. It is Spartacus. Oh, I'm Spartacus. I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus. Kirk Douglas and Lawrence Olivier, Gene Simmons, Charles Lawton. Gene Simmons? What from KISS?

SPEAKER_04 17:08

The guy from KISS. How are we spelling Gene? J-E-A-N.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Oh, okay, different gene. But that's how you say it, no?

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck's sake.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

So I was like, I got this right now, and then okay, yeah, that. And Stanley Kubrick joint. The the yeah, the Thracian Thra Thracian Spartacus, who was born and raised a slave, gets given to Batiatus, who trains him as a gladiator, and then he rebels against the It's a classic, innit? Yeah. And leads the rebellion, and it's quite a as he kind of got his son at the end there. Yeah. So it's quite I thought it's quite a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

Well, it's not you got Kirk Douglas, who else did you say?

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Lawrence Olivier. That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And obviously what a cast. Just those two. Yeah. Never mind.

SPEAKER_03 17:56

They're thousands of Peter Ustinov, Tony Curtis. Well the classics.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Woody Strode. Yeah. So yeah, it is a classic, 1960 as well.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

Kirk Douglas. I I really liked him. In the Vikings, I think.

SPEAKER_04 18:12

Is there that training sequence with the boy and he's fighting that for trying to teach that boy to fight and all that? Yeah, it's stuff.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

So it's a great apparently it's historically inaccurate, the whole film, obviously, but the film itself, I think, is a great film. So I thought I'll put it in there.

SPEAKER_03 18:26

Even better than the reality.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:30

A much more accurate representation of gang culture and life was afforded to us by 1985's Police Academy 2. Yeah. Their first assignment. And if you remember, it was the cadets of the first movie, the bumbling idiots, including like the fucking gun crazy tackleberry. In this one, I think he gets laid. He meets a girl that he hits it off with and they he prematurely shoots a gun all over it. So they're dispatched to deal with a a uh gang problem that I think Commandant Lasard's brother has in a in another precinct, and the gang is run by Bobcat Goldthwaite. Do you remember that guy? The crazy boy.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

Yeah. That guy. Yeah. He was Jughead.

SPEAKER_04 19:19

Jughead was his mother's name. He was he was the leader of the gang that was terrorising the place, and Mahoney has to go undercover if you remember. No? Steve Gutenberg. Yeah. Big fans of the police. I was back in the day I was.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

But um it's been a long, long time. We've never done one for the pod after the YCI.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

I might I would possibly do that one or three Citizens on Patrol. The first one is also really good. Is that the one where you go to the Blue Oyster? It's a recurring joke across the franchise. I think it starts to run out of steam by about five minutes. No, it surely does.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

But yeah, Police Academy. Yeah, gangs in New York. There's proper gangs. There's Daniel Day Lewis. Something like that. Um playing Butcher Bill, I think it was. What they call it's the something rabbits, isn't it? Rampant. No. Something like that. Yeah. What?

SPEAKER_01 20:10

So what? Did he actually go in a gang and start? Because he does that bullshit in every film he's in.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

It was the stories of how New York and the boroughs and everything.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

New York I've seen the film. I was asking about Daniel Day Lewis, though.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Yeah, he went back in time.

SPEAKER_05 20:24

No, I moaned last week about him pretending to be like quadriplegic in my left foot and making people carry him around and set fuck off. You should try acting like that. Try pretending.

SPEAKER_03 20:34

He's only got like four Oscars, so he doesn't really know what he's doing with. But he's yeah, he does know what he's doing. There's DiCaprio in that film, as well. DiCaprio's in it as well. There's a who's who of who's that in there.

SPEAKER_05 20:48

Uh I was disappointed with it considering it's a Scorsese film. I didn't like it. I didn't I didn't finish it, I turned off. It wasn't that bad. I thought it was crap. And it's not good enough for my time. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

There you go. There you go. A a scathing review. Yeah, that was as mid as you can possibly get. But it does have gangs in it. Quite a few of them. And the fucking title. It's got us talking. Yeah, for sure. Twalking. What you got? What you got? What do you you know?

SPEAKER_05 21:19

I've got the Fremen from June. Yeah. Soon to be trilogy, actually. There again again, that's like a jihad, they they rise up against the powers that be.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

But they're all blue-eyed, aren't they?

SPEAKER_05 21:30

Yeah, they're on drugs. Yeah. Yeah. Spice. On spice, they're spiced up to their tits. Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:36

It just so happens that the drug that makes them do is also the thing that is responsible for like jet fuel and stuff, basically. And yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:43

It does a lot.

SPEAKER_05 21:44

Yeah, and then they said they're going to get the third one that where he's got his literal like Messiah God complex and it goes out of control. But that's another chalome. It's hard to believe it's a milk. No, but the trailer this trailer's out.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

I've seen the trailer when I was watching the Odyssey the other side.

SPEAKER_05 22:00

Very cool, I have to say, but I think they're a bit kind of style over substance those movies, to be honest. And I've never read the test. I've never managed to finish one yet. I've started the first one a few times. I've read the book. But we need it done because then Jenny Villeneuve's doing the next Bond film, isn't he? After this, so we need that. Which looks like it might be a Jersey boy. Well, it's up to second, back to second in the but it it won't be they never picked, apart from Brosnan, they've never picked an obvious Bond. But this is Amazon Bond. I know, so that that does change it a little bit. But you see who the number one is, the number one in the top three. I can't remember who the number three was. Maybe it was still Kan Turner. Number two was Mr. Cavill, which would be fucking great, I think. But he's mid-40s now. Orties by the time. Yeah, but they yeah, I don't know. I would I don't know what I would love it. And then number one. He's taking he's good he's on a different path to acting at the moment. Making hip hop records. Frankie Pulitzer. Tom Hardy. Oh, number one. Tom Hardy, yeah, one in the running.

SPEAKER_03 23:01

Don't see him doing it. See him in Bond. I mean, I I I I'd love to see.

SPEAKER_05 23:06

Oh, Henry would be amazing. We'd get him on the pod. Imagine that we get Bond on the pod.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

Bond audition.

SPEAKER_05 23:12

I'd even put a clean nappy on.

SPEAKER_04 23:13

I mean, he almost he did a uh basically did a Bond audition in The Man from Uncle. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

I think that's literally what that was for. Yeah. Yeah. And it would be fucking great. It's fucking great, yeah. Yeah. So we'll see what route they go down with that.

SPEAKER_03 23:27

Wow, watch your space. Chris, have you done one more? Have you got anything else?

SPEAKER_01 23:31

I've got a gang in the film, and then I've got a nom, I've got the bike riders, which is the beginning of if you want the the Hells Angels or whatever. And it is inspired by real people and a 1968 uh photo book. But the plot and the club itself are a fiction, they're not necessarily the Hells Angels or anything else. But I really like that film, despite the fact that Elvis was so smouldering and he kept having that look. He didn't really get from Elvis to that. He kind of just transitioned. He had the same eye and that looking like Elvis but in a leather and riding a bike. But that's a Tom Hardy film. It's really good. I I enjoyed it. It's it's a drama. It's also a little bit long, but it's a good it's a good film. Obviously, it's about the the the story of how a gang of bikers rose to massive numbers. And and I I did like the same like anything else, as soon as you get guns involved, it all turns to you're not about shoot, you shoot, you shoot, you shoot stuff, but and and double crossing and stabby in the backy I I watched the Tom Hardy thing or started to Venom 3.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Oh, it's fucking awful. It's pretty good. I couldn't get I couldn't get as far as the Venom horse. No, I got as far as him being in a bar in It's about the beginning, isn't it? Yeah. And it was it was really catastrophe.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

Another one that wasn't worth my time. I got back.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

I watched the first one all the way through because I was captive audience on a plane.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

It's the third one it's got Woody Harrison?

SPEAKER_03 25:07

The first one, sorry. Third one, it's Carnage. Yeah, Woody Harrison's Carnage. But yeah, this this it was really, really bad. Sorry, yeah, just as you mentioned Tom Hardy. I thought for a fabulous actor, he's making some fucking awful films. He did Taboo, which was a series on BBC, which was excellent. Yeah, that was a good one. Oh yeah, that was really good. Tom makes some better choices. He probably made money that as well. What? Venom. Maybe. Not enough to carry it on. Well, he's done three. I mean, I don't think he's probably signed.

SPEAKER_05 25:41

I think they've said they're not making any more. Done it.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Rubbish. If he can't pull it off, I'm not sure. Sure anybody can. It's just not transferable into film. Did you have another one, Riggs?

SPEAKER_04 25:51

Are we do we I was gonna go for do you remember it? Let's try again in English. What about English? Childhood gangs. Yeah. They're always good. You see them your own childhood, you might do you have a gang when you were a kid? Like we thought we were a bit of a gang at one point.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

You know, there was uh a few of you where you live, hang around together a bit. Married men, we were in tights, we were you know.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

Yeah. Uh well the Goonies was one that I was thinking about. That's the old gang. That was my norm, right? Oh, was it? You've stolen it. You've got mouth, yeah, uh chunk, the fat one. Sometimes they're the same the upskirt. The the data. You've got yeah, the racial stereotypes, and it was all about freeing some. Hey you guys and getting some money to save the Goonies.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

Our time, our time is here.

SPEAKER_04 26:46

Another kind of childhood gang was in they were called the Cobras, and they were the bad guys in the Rob Reiner adaptation of Stephen King's novella, The Body Stand By Me, Sidey's favourite movie. They're a little gang that go out there, and another sort of childhood gang, and another Stephen King one was the Losers' Club in it. Sign me up a red duck. That's what they called themselves. They were sort of the down and outs of the town, and you know, the victims of bullying and all that come together to fight off this sort of cosmic evil that lurks in the sewers in their small town of Derry, I think it is. The film wisely decides to omit the scene where they have a gangbang, an underage gangbang. 1986's Stephen King was doing a lot of coke. So that's that's horny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

So a few gangs. Well, we had a gang up with angels and Angels with dirty faces the other day, didn't we? Dead and kids. Yeah, dead and kids. It made me want to watch the movies. What do you say, eh? And this was a little Hey Muggie, pleased to meet you. A little band of Street urchins. Street urchins, exactly, that were born on the wrong side of the tracks and never really had a shot. And they looked up to the wrong people, even though they had good influences around them, with the the the priest who's trying to make sure that they've got opportunities and chances to better themselves, and they follow James Cagney's kind of star as he is the gangster, he's the al capone that's on the street, and he pays a bit of attention to them, and he also gives them good advice and tries to get them on the straight and narrow, but he's he's naturally just caught up in his own star as well, and he follows his himself on the newspaper, and he he likes to to know that everybody knows him and he plays up to it a little bit. But these kids in the end uh see that he's actually gone to the electric chair yellow. He's gone there as a coward, but only because the priest is pretty much asked him to do it so that the kids don't follow him. So he doesn't become a symbol. Yeah, so he doesn't become a martyr for them and they kind of s you know slunker off at the end with the priest going to the back to the sports hall and and playing a, you know, a bit of basketball rather than going down this other route of crime and everything they might have otherwise done. But yeah, I'll c I'll take that as my norm as you've taken the Goonies.

SPEAKER_05 29:23

I've got a couple of sort of similar themed like the goal of the gang. So what the the I forget what they're called. Or Project Mayhem, that law in Fight Club. Yeah. Their ultimate goal is to blow up a load of buildings that hold all the.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

They want to wipe out credit card debt.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

Credit card. And it's similar in the Mr.

SPEAKER_04 29:41

Robot F society, and they're trying to erase all everyone's debts because that's in the first season was really good, and that's what it was setting up a kind of almost Fight Club-esque thing where he's taking down all the credit card companies.

SPEAKER_05 29:52

Which seems like a bit of a just complete ripoff. But anyway, I quite like the first season. I was with Chris on that one, that it was shit after the first series. Yeah. I certainly stopped enjoying it. And then we nominate? Yeah, it seems like it. Yeah. So I am sort of a big fan of the Bader Meinhof gang. Yeah. Like German domestic terrorist lot that sort of rose up against the state.

SPEAKER_04 30:16

You were a fan of them?

SPEAKER_05 30:17

I just quite like the idea of power structures being overthrown and people you know rising up, setting things on, blowing people up and stuff. I'm sort of less of a fan of that, but you know, people having enough and rioting, I think, surely can't be far off that these days. Anyway, there's a movie of it, 2008, the Bader Meinhof Complex. But there's also they've influenced loads of stuff. So The Clash, Joe Strummer wore a t-shirt at the 1978 what year? Rock Against Racism gig, which had the words Brigade Rosse, which R-O-W-C, which was the Italian Red Brigade, and it had the Red Army faction, which is what they also went by, the Bader Meinhof, on his t-shirt, which is pretty cool. And a band that I really like, the O'Tours, their main guy is a guy called Luke Haynes, and he changed or just had another band called Bader Meinhof, and he put an album out called Bader Meinhof. And he also, just as an aside, some of the song titles from the O'Tour stuff would be like Unsolved Child Murder and Light Light Aircraft on Fire. And he also had another band called the Black Box Recorder, which is what you played for Bozo Rovers walking football. So the Bader Meinhof gang. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

Wow, that is that was you think you've got the you've got quite a lot of gangs when you go to like crime gangs like that. You've got the Brinks Matt robbery, the great train robbery gangs and all those gangs.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Yeah, the I I had a few in mind in terms of series, which is like Gangs of London, Top Boy, Mobland, only the ones that are from Britain that they've kind of done.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Gang bang for Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Yeah. See them all. All all that. And but my norm is gonna be a film that is uh it's only because it's been quite popular back home, especially when I was growing up, is Green Street Hooligans. Okay. Only because there's all these, yeah, well, the hammers. The Danslow, they fuck. Uh and there was honestly, there was some of the boys that I used to go to watch the Albuquerque with, they would watch that film before they would go to the match. It's like inspiration. Just so they want to go and have a fight. And I just never understood that. But at the same time, I've seen it all around me, and I have seen this kind of bravado following the football and let's have a fight. I didn't really understand the fighting bit, but it's uh it's an iconic film for people that are.

SPEAKER_05 32:37

Well they used to have the football hooliganism like on the terraces, no, yeah. And they're like, oh, football's all cleaned up. No, they just arrange where they're gonna fight. And yeah, later.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

They they just don't do it in the stadium and they don't try to do that. But but that's So is that the one with Elijah Wood? Yes, yeah, and and Charlie Hunnam, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

Wet West Ham Millwall this season are playing in the championship or get extra policing on that one. Yeah, they've already sold out, I think, with the the tickets.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

Um but this is the story of a West Ham guy that he's got his American cousin over or his misses brother over or something, and he kind of I'll take him to the stadium, show him around, and then this American guy just becomes a legend on the terraces because he's fighting all these other hooligans, and that's it, that's my nom. Christy Hooligans.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

Joe.

SPEAKER_04 33:28

I'm gonna go with the Mad Max universe because I couldn't choose between Mad Max 2, the Road Warrior and Mad Max Fury Road, both George Miller films, both giving us iconic gangs, the marauders in Mad Max 2, led by the giant masked Lord Humongous, yeah, played by Ver Vernon Wells. And in the 2015 Mad Max Fury Road, the war boys, they had the chrome-painted faces. Oh, yes, yeah, yeah. Nicholas Holt from this week's movie was in it, and they rode their flaming cars to Valhalla in that crazy fucking spectacle, which is a movie I quite often put on in the background. It's a great movie, but you can just put it on in the background for visuals because it's so striking. And yeah, that's my gang's.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

Interesting, actually, Nicholas Holt. Where where he started? Because I'm I'm sure. About a store. Yeah. About a boy.

SPEAKER_04 34:23

Yeah, that of course he did. Yeah. I really like it. He's terrific in the sweet screen. He's done some really badly drawn boy soundtracks.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:31

Strong, strong recommend for that. Yeah. And we need one more gang slash rebellion slash gangs. Yeah, all that sort of stuff. Let us know.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

Let us have it.

SPEAKER_05 34:45

The it's not the it doesn't have a the, does it? This is called True History. True. True history of the Kelly gang. Yeah. And then it does that kind of far go thing where it says it's not true.

SPEAKER_04 34:56

The story is not true, and then it keeps the the not part all fades away and it leaves true, and then and it segues into the title True History of the Kelly Gang. Yeah. It's a 2000 and something, what was it? 2019 Australian made directed film from a novel by a novelist. Yeah, it was a novelist. Somebody had written a book.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

The book was Peter Carey. That's right. It's a Booker Prize-winning book, as it happens. But this is directed by Justin Kurtzel.

SPEAKER_04 35:33

Yeah. You may have seen him. He did Macbeth and Assassin's Creed. I'd I hope Macbeth was a faithful adaptation of this sort of material because Assassin's Creed was pretty terrible, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Was that Fassman doing Assassin's Creed? Yeah, I've seen that.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

Does it it doesn't almost it doesn't immediately start off with this mum piping someone off, but it's running across you see like a guy right somebody somebody in a red shot from above.

SPEAKER_05 36:01

We get drone footage first, don't we? Yeah, running across a dress.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

A red dress on a white horse going across a kind of burnt-out forest landscape, which is quite apocalyptic looking, really, it's the bush.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

And we get where there is somebody narrating actually, but there was because he's writing a letter to his unborn child. Son.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

Yeah. And yeah, soon we see a a young Ned looking in on what is a very stark and basic hut through the window and his mum's blowing. She's dealing with Charlie Hart. She's philating the local police sergeant Charlie Hart. While Dad holds the baby outside and says, Stare away from the window, and Ned doesn't. He he gets a good look. He's trying to understand he's he's only young what the hell is going on.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

He's amazing, this kid, Orlando Schwert. Schweris Schwerter. Orlando Schwert, he's absolutely brilliant, I thought.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

And you you hear the the police sergeant say, Oh, that should be you good for another month, that won't bother you. That's nice. And she kind of wipes her mouth away.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

And and it's clear, you know, they've got they're they've got nothing. And they are many kids, young kids.

SPEAKER_03 37:24

And and they're being, you know, oppressed by the police and everything.

SPEAKER_04 37:29

And they you know, they came here as convicts, right? So they're already the lowest rung on the ladder, living out in the middle of nowhere, oppressed by absolutely everybody. Yeah. Doing what they can to survive. Doing what they can to survive.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

Yeah, and also the father, Red Kelly, John Red Kelly, is a a convicted outlaw anyway, so he can't get work and And what they're doing, they've got a little distillery where they're making booze, and that is kind of the family business, and and it they get as well a as a blowjob, the the captain or the Sergeant, the sergeant, he takes a bottle of this booze and he says something to young Ned saying, I seen your dad in a dress, what's all that about no you didn't. Yeah. And he goes, bloody did. And he leaves it like that and he's he's off on his horse soon. But there's a lot of tension within the household and Dad, you I wasn't sure anyway, he was he seems quite a gentle man, actually, although he's got all tattoos and he looks an absolute hard nut. Seems conflicted. He seems kind of conflicted, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

Well, and also his wife is having to sleep with basically everybody to sustain the protection that they need for their lifestyle. So and and he's emasculated everywhere, isn't he? Because his son even it talks about I can't remember if this is at this part, but he talks about killing a cow, doesn't he? And there's no food, and he goes out and he butchers a cow himself. Yeah, he's even struggling to get his back. Brings his back in the mother in a in a series of things, it's they're shot almost as lovers, the boy and the mother, you know, that like faces to face, really close, and she's quite seductive as she gives him the biggest cut of meat and emasculates the father who brings the plate and understandably goes fucking mad.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

The mother is, you know, right from the off nutter, really. You know, I mean she Well, it's an awful lifestyle. Yeah, she is, but she's she's one of those, you know, she just poking the bear of of everybody, really. She's just poking to to see, you know, you should I mean we'll see her later on in the film, you should be shooting people, you're not a man if you don't do that, you know, you know, all these kind of Well she'll sell her own son. I mean, yeah, we'll see what a terrible woman she is. And And that's right, because eventually, because of the cow that he's killed and brought home, he's found that that cow actually belonged to somebody, and the sergeant comes back and he sees that the skin has been cut out where the branding would have been, and they arrest the dad for it, even though Ned confesses. And they don't kind of believe him that it was even him. But they take him off to serve the time. Yeah, they they take him off to, you know, some hellhole to to serve the time.

SPEAKER_04 40:13

And I think again they reinforce the thing about by the way, your dad's a cross-dresser, because I had no idea really that there was this amount of cross-dressing associated with the telly kids.

SPEAKER_05 40:23

Like it's almost like a treasure chest.

SPEAKER_04 40:24

Yeah, it's his younger sister shows him oh, there's a pile of rocks that I played that dad's got some stuff there, and he pushed some rocks over and he finds a dress.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

He looks at him and burns them all. And you know why they did that? Because I did a little bit of research. Well, the son of Civ are you talking about and all that? Yeah, so it's they do go into this in the movie. Yeah, so they they basically We don't know at this stage, but as robbers, they they do it to as disguise and to freak people out, you know, and to to make sure that they've like second guessing them and then they'll talk about this later, won't they?

SPEAKER_04 41:00

Because the brothers get really into it. Yeah. But mostly it's just about examining all the horrible things that the mother and father have to do as a kid and the horrors that this actually is very young. Four, yeah, something like that. There is a bit where he's offered a chance to escape this lifestyle where he saves a rich kid from drowning, and he goes back and the mother offers to pay for his education, which they all know would be a root out of all this horror for him, and his mother sabotages it. I think she spits on it, doesn't she?

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Or yeah, well, she shows him the necklace that stole from the house.

SPEAKER_04 41:33

And then starts to reveal her tit, and it's like is there anything else you can do?

SPEAKER_03 41:36

And the other woman actually spits at her, I think. Yeah, but yeah, she says, in her mind, you know, I what the fuck you would send your kid away. Yeah, I couldn't bear not seeing him all every day.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

You know, I would never that they're English, she's Irish. So, yeah, they're like hated.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

But but that was a way out for for Ned that wasn't taken, and he wasn't too too bothered about it. In fact, I think he was kind of any different, and he was quite happy, I think, to to stay there because he gets this this sewn kind of band, doesn't he, Sash, which he runs and tells his dad about, goes to the prison, dad's not there, and dad has actually we find out is is dead soon afterwards. And no end of suit has then come to hover around Mum, who's quite a you know, a good looking lady in the bush.

SPEAKER_04 42:31

Sergeant is straight up there for a blowjob, isn't he? He's like, Right, I'm ready, you know. But th th the guy's not even in the ground yet, and he's fucking away. He really kisses.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

Yeah, but they're looking at him, aren't they? As he's and he's he's trying to get in there as the the body is is laying on the table and he's giving mum a kiss on the cheek and saying, Oh, I'll look in on you a bit more now. Like and do something to the city. All the kids are there and she's she knows, you know, I'm a woman on my own, I'm gonna have to do whatever it takes. And whatever it takes is getting Russell Crow in as a a kind of huntsman big beardie fucker. Harry Power.

SPEAKER_04 43:10

How is a real outlaw bush ranger as they call him? That's a great name. Yeah. Harry Power, yeah, his brother Max.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

And how Harry Harry Power is he's able to keep the rest of them, these suitors, all off because he's a hard kind of thing. And they know it.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

They're all intimidated by him. Yeah, you can see the heart and going with the flowers, then he's like he doesn't even get off his horse. He's like take the flowers.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

And at first it seems like he might be a a bit of a shining light, right? He's actually respectful to all the kids and they have this funny meal where he sings he's a cantius, cantius, cuntes. And he's getting them all to sing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:51

Oh by the way, we swear on this podcast. Yeah, that too.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

Yeah. Um But no, it's a it's a nice family moment, and you think right up until the moment What happened to the moment where he's got to go to hustle some hustling and he persuades mum to let him come with him and we find out actually mother is sold.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

At first it seems like they're going just on a sort of like toughen him up like hunting tour.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Well no, they were gonna get some horses from up north.

SPEAKER_04 44:19

Yeah, but the whole idea was like a bonding thing. But then as it becomes clear, he's actually been sold to him and he's there to to work as an outlaw for him.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

And he's he's a partner, yeah, and they're he doesn't know exactly he hasn't been brought into the the secret of what he's gonna do. He says, Hold this horse in the middle of the the kind of track, and as another horse and carriage comes up, he doesn't know what to say, he doesn't know what to do. Well he freezes, he freezes, yeah. Harry's in the bushes and then shoots the guy in the head, all the blood's over young Ned, and he shoots the other guy, he robs him, and he's the guy's not dead and all that, and they have to finish him off, and he offers him pancakes and all the rest of it in this big posh hotel, and you can see Ned doesn't want to be involved in this life, and he says, I don't fucking want your pancakes, you know. I I you know, I just want to go home, and he says, You've been sold, mate. You know, there isn't and you gotta make $15 back. He he he legs it home and into the warm arms of his mother, who's an absolute sort of you've got to get with the programme, son.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Wait, is this we've missed a bit of chunk not before not before he takes him to find Sergeant O'Neill and to teach him the art of killing. Sergeant O'Neill is in the whorehouse, Charlie Hunnam I thought was terrific again in this. It's a full of great acting, this movie. He's in the whorehouse fucking this girl, and they just barge in and he just ties him up round his bollocks, isn't it? Around his because we've already seen a guy have his bollocks cut ring and shoved around his mouth. So they've tied his fucking meat and tooth edge up, and then he's going, go on, shoot him, shoot him. He does eventually shoot in the leg as he's escaping. And then Harry Power, he turns the gun on Power, and you think, Oh fucking hell. And Power's like, Yeah, go on, just do it, mate. Just gets on his knees, presses his forehead against the thing, but he he can't do it because Nick is not that kind of kid, really. The whole world is trying to make him like the world is trying to make him like that, but he's just a kid, and that's when he runs home to his loving mother.

SPEAKER_03 46:29

Who says, Yeah, you know, you've got to get the program survival, nobody's giving you anything.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

You gotta pull that trigger, yo, you've got to do it. Harry Power gets taken to prison. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:40

Yeah. It's sort of divided into three this film, because you just could I think they're called boy man monitor in one of the the sequences. So we've had a boy sequence and we're about to transition into the man sequences. The young Ned is like quickly taken away for his crimes.

SPEAKER_03 46:57

Um he makes a friend, doesn't he? He makes the the guy on the on the train on all the hair. And uh as as the narration sort of says, he you know, they're they're proper proper mates, these two Well the movie plays with just how matey they are.

SPEAKER_04 47:16

Quite often it'll show them spooning or being shot face to face again as if they were lovers, never really like fully committing to it, but definitely putting the suggestion there.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

Well all that kind of machoism of the Australian Outback in Ned Kelly is is played in this movie as kind of not that way. And as we as we go into his exploration of the upper classes and him going into different houses and and things like that. He's at a governor's house you're talking about, five, two, three like years later. That that's right. He he's brought into this yeah, he's a prize fighter, isn't he? For for rich people who are betting on him and he's beating the fuck out of people, and that's how he's making a a living at the time.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

He's filled out a lot now. He's played by George Mackay, who I remember from 1917, but he's quite a big guy now, isn't he?

SPEAKER_03 48:07

When he was in 1917, yeah. Yeah. And he has, yeah. So we we see like one scene actually when he it kind of turns that scene, doesn't he, from boy to man, and he's by a big English kind of flag. British flag, yeah. Um and stretching and stretching in a really weird way. Yeah, bending backwards, yeah. That's right, he's kind of bent over backwards, and then this kind of prize fight starts and he's he wins. It's brutal.

SPEAKER_04 48:37

There's blood and then and it's like the the upper classes clapping and braying as they get sprayed with these two guys' blood all over them.

SPEAKER_03 48:44

Yeah. That's it. And Nicholas Holt is is there then. I thought he might have been the young man that he saved. I thought that might be but it didn't seem to be that was played into it as part of the plot or anything.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

There's a different name as well, though. Oh, was it? Yeah, the first kid that fell into the river had something else name because I I I thought about that too. But then it it tells you the name of because he's the new constable. Right. Yeah. Yeah, he's I can't remember his name in the film. Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick, yeah. He's a new constable after Charlie Hunnam. So and then they meet up in the whole house at Mrs. Robinson's.

SPEAKER_04 49:23

It's an amazing scene.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Because that's where that's why he Ned Kelly goes back home to see the family with his mate. Yeah. That's when they're really close face to face and they're almost kissing or whatever. He goes to see his mum, and then he sees his brother Dan and his one-eyed mate. Yeah. That they're wearing dresses. Yeah. And he just goes, What the fuck? And his mom now has a a new lover because it's all nar narrated as well, right? So it's like, oh, the mum has a boyfriend or a new fella that is my age. Yeah. And he's American, he's got an absolute hairdo on the boy.

SPEAKER_04 50:00

He was a New Zealand singer, Marlon Williams, I think was the guy's name. I thought he was pretty good in this movie, actually. Yeah, yeah, he was. Great hair. Amazing hair. And he'll do a little song. But yeah, he's constantly talking to him, like, I'm gonna be your dad. And he is literally like a year older than him.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

But he makes a point of I'm gonna be your daddy. And and then he he's like, What the fuck? What are you wearing dresses for? And his brother doesn't really say anything. He's like, and he's in that's a great scene when he's in the bathtub with a fire underneath. Yeah. And his brother just comes over, he says, I just like the dresses, and he drops them on the floor.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

Alright, so it it's really weird you say the haircuts, but they're all and and the stylistic is quite punky.

SPEAKER_04 50:44

Like well, a few times they'll anachronistically play punk music. Most of the stuff is trying to be quite authentic, but occur occasionally it'll play punk music as about drop to fights and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

Just as yeah, just as the the wildness and the you know the not conforming to any uh Mrs. Robinson.

SPEAKER_04 51:03

It's brilliant the scene because Nicholas Holt's character, he's like this ultra obnoxious Victorian, repressed not repressed policeman, but he's like the absolute opposite. He just wants to make everybody's life miserable, experience all the all the things that humanity has to offer, all the drugs, all the women, he likes them young, or evidently, as he'll mention, that he's already had the prostitute that Mary that will end up being Ned's boys and girls. Yeah, it's an amazing bit where he's just got those suspenders on and this chat, suspend the socks. Yeah. It's incredible. And yeah, because he says to Ned, I d I wouldn't trust a man who doesn't have at least one vice. So he forces him essentially, really, into this meeting with Mary who takes his heart. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

And she's And then he tells him that's not someone you would want, and that don't tell me you're you're not gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_04 51:57

He's never really met a girl before, really, has he? I mean he's been in prison and looking at it. And then fighting. Yeah. And now she's got a baby, yeah. It will fucking turn out pretty quick. Everybody works it out way quicker than he does, but it's actually George, his mother's lover's baby, yeah, that he's impregnated her at the local whole house. So that's obviously gonna make things a bit tricky at Christmas.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

But as he as he as yeah, as he does, as he makes that obvious a little bit later on. But there's some really weird dance scenes where they you've got like rabbits' heads and kind of horses' heads, and it's it's a real mix of dark he's he's singing, isn't he? The the Yeah, it is it, but it's it's almost like occultish, you know, what's going on there and Holt there, Patrick, he's talking to this young boy and saying, Oh, you know, let me read your your palm. Oh that's your sister. Well, that was his sister with it.

SPEAKER_04 52:58

Yeah, but she's just really, really young. It's getting like because the other one, Mary's really young, but this one in the movie is probably about twelve. Yeah, 14, maybe, yeah. Yeah, it's like fucking hell, and he's starting to sleaze onto her, and he's going, he's going, Oh, this this line says you're promiscuous. Yeah, oh, it's it takes it's really like making me cringe, actually, just thinking of him. But that's the good guys that's that's their wedding.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Yeah, it's meant to be the wedding between George. George and his mum, his mum, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

And that's the good guys, that's the the constable of the the police force, you know. So you can imagine what the rest of them are are like. Not that bad, actually. But yeah, he he's the one in charge. It's all gonna come to a head, and and Ned, as we know in the story, is eventually Well no, there's sorry, there's the promise that the constable says, Your brother, we know he stole some horses.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

Yeah, there's I'm gonna t I'm gonna speak to my superiors and tell them we'll we'll turn the blind eye if you let me court your sister.

SPEAKER_04 53:58

Blatantly they're pimping out the however young this girl is, yeah, on the promise that these charges are gonna be dropped. And then he just one day, like, as he's like, Oh, it's really horrible, he's like kissing and brings her a dress, yeah. He's like, try it on, put it on in front of everyone. Yeah, and he's like kissing up behind their neck, and then they're like, Oh, so what's with the charges like oh yeah, Saz can make that stick.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Well, I got I got you four months instead of it, and he goes, you know, I've got him to lessen the charges, not drop them, but I've got him to lessen the charges, which he thinks he's done a great deal with. But the Kelly's like, no, that wasn't the need. No, I know you you said nothing, and then it all gets a little bit shooty, he gets shot in the hand, not shot dead, but it it was heightened. The mother is having a go why you didn't shoot him, why didn't you kill him? Isn't there any memory? Emasculating him and saying, Oh, you're not the kind of man who could do that anyway, and all this stuff. And this then starts coming to a head then because yeah, they start to get a gang together, don't they? They start to go through this.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

I mean, it's really the the the brothers have stolen horses, haven't they? So there's warrants issued for that. So after this, they scarper off into the hills, basically, a way to get away from everything, whilst Fitzpatrick searches for them pretty much, is the is the And they go to what was his name?

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Russell Crowe, the secret heart yeah, Harry Power's Hut Lick Canyon or something. Yeah. And they hide there.

SPEAKER_04 55:26

The Wombat Rangers Is what he was called, the Wombat Rangers. And then we sort of get through a portion of Is it do they recruit the gang after the there's a sort of moment where because he's not done although they've done these they've always had horrible things happen to them, right? And been responding to it, but there's a moment where they confront and then kill those guys in the woods that feels like a turning point.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Well it is a turning point because they could go round them. Yeah. They don't have to, but Ned's had enough of turning around and also his mum goes to prison.

SPEAKER_01 56:00

His mum that's right, his mum's carted off to prison. So then he's and that's when she makes a point of you didn't kill him, yeah, now they're taking me. Yeah. Zero fucks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

Yeah. Zero fucks.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

So instead of going these people that are looking for them, instead of going around them, they just decide that's it.

SPEAKER_03 56:19

Gunned down the cops and he's gone full feral, he's even cutting off the ears of the city.

SPEAKER_04 56:24

Well, they've talked now about this concept, the father was in this, the sons of Sieve, which is like they dress it's like an Irish rebellion against the English. It has long-standing roots, and part of it is to scare your opponents by just dressing crazy, and then also to cover your tracks. So that's why they cover their faces in like mud and they get blackface basically, full blackface, yeah, and dresses on.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

And what was it cutting the ears over?

SPEAKER_01 56:51

Yeah, like you can't scare anything that's crazy. So that's that's the thing, right? That's what they'll that's what they say, that nothing scares you like crazy. Yeah. Because if you see someone and you think he's crazy, I'm scared.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

And Fitzpatrick is sort of on their tail. He has a horrible sequence with their mum in prison where he's naked. It's he's like wanking, isn't he? He pulls his like pants down, he's just cut off, and he's just sort of trying to get hard and like talk to her. She starts ripping him and clawing at him, and he punches her in the face, really grim. But he's starting to lose it as well, isn't he? Because he can't get close to them. Is there I mean, this part I felt was a bit rushed as they sort of become outlaws, they sort of recruit a gang, they sort of take some hostages.

SPEAKER_03 57:32

They rob a bank, they they kind of yeah, it's it's like a an ISIS moment where they've just got everybody in like hostages, as you say, and it all starts getting shooty and bloody and and they they end up getting him, don't they? I mean, you've got the Fitzpatrick loses it.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

I think is he removed from the case where after he he goes around to threaten the baby, he's got the gun and he's shouting at the baby. If you've ever wanted to hold a gun to a baby or shout at it, this is the movie for you. Yeah. Yeah, which is really strange. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:05

Well, yeah, he's completely he's completely scotted.

SPEAKER_04 58:08

He's absolutely lost it at this point, yeah. And so anyway, the big plan is to m to kind of they've recruit this gang together and take these hostages to draw a load of police out, and they're gonna blow up the railroad or take some some of the railings off the track, and the train is gonna derail, and that's gonna kill most of them, and then the gang's gonna finish off what's left. And they're gonna free their mum. Built then afterwards they're gonna go and free the mum, and they've built these suits of armour, they shoot each other as a test.

SPEAKER_06 58:34

The guy shoots himself in the head. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:35

Shoot yourself in the head to prove it.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

They look sort of like knights almost. And yeah, well, this this is it. It's all out of this this steel, isn't it? It's it's body armour and I think that's that's kind of what you know them for. That's what's the known engine for battery. Yeah. And you know, the the story that I've heard and even seen in there's a random time, aren't you? There's a Heath Ledger one. There's a Heath Ledger in Ed one that is obviously a lot more romantic than this one. It's a lot more than this.

SPEAKER_04 59:08

Well, usually the story is romanticised, isn't it? So this is a a a completely different examination of that legend or myth.

SPEAKER_03 59:15

Yeah, it this this is a lot sort of dirtier and and punkier and and um it's tied up in lots of themes about Australia's identity and trauma and all that sort of stuff. It's where it's got all these macho kind of men in in previous ones, they're they're very much, you know, confused in in this one. And they end up catching Ned, of course they do.

SPEAKER_04 59:40

And But this this bit again I thought was lost a bit, but he has this weird conversation because he's a writer and he he gets this class, the high school teacher, out of the hostages that they've got with them. And suddenly that guy, after critiquing his writing, finds himself free and he's able to warn the police before they come down, derail the train, before they derail the train. So with no host with just hostages, no gang members who've all fled now. It's just the f the two well, it's the two Kelly brothers, the hangers-on and Joe, yeah, and the hostages, and a real army. You do at first you can just see lights, their torches in the distance, and there's got to be a hundred men or more. And they start shooting at them and they're picking them off one by one, but those lights are getting a lot closer. And then it goes into like the full-on, this bit was like all strobes, wasn't it? And crazy like white cloaked figures outside and point of view shots from within the claustrophobic tin of the helmet, and a lot of blood and people puking, and also the police didn't care about the hostages.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

Nah, they just shot through. They set it on fire. Collateral damage. They're like, that's it. No, because by then the they're all out by then, but they just didn't give a fuck. But they were like, that's it, they shot through the whole wall, and they're like, There's hostages in there, we're gonna give a fuck, we're gonna kill all of them before we're getting him. Yeah. And he just put the armor at the end when he sees his brother choking to death in his own blood. And Joe, as well, I think, is already dead at this point.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

And he goes out and he does take a good few of them down, doesn't he just stood there like a fucking maniac shooting at these people? But he is eventually taken out and down, and then we get a series of like still shots, then don't we? Of the police like with the body of Joe tied up against the tree and them sort of solemnly standing there for a photo and the burnt corpses as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

Yeah. Grimtown. And he's then taken off to be hanged. Yeah. His mum gives him a shout-out. Yeah. Die like a Kelly.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:44

That's right. Which is interesting because we had the one last week. The opposite. To the execution where it's like, kill the mythology, you've got to go out like a coward. Yeah. So that no one felt and this is like exactly the opposite. The polar opposite, I was thinking the same thing after yeah. Yeah. You gotta go out like a hero and then the mythology lives on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

Just don't give them the satisfaction, is what she says. Yeah, don't say anything, you're gonna be weak, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:06

Yeah. And he he he doesn't. He he kind of goes to the the gallows, it's a long circular kind of climb up to the top of a uh a kind of tower which he's then dropped down on the long rope and he doesn't last too long, although it looks incredibly painful if his I can't believe his neck never snapped, but And it's a bit the shot lingers on it, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:31

Whereas he's convulsing and a shot from afar, so you can see the whole thing twisting.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:36

And then it cuts to like what would be the parliament, I guess, and uh a politician talking about how the teacher, sorry, yeah, yeah. Talking about how, you know, England have Disraeli, American have got Lincoln or or whoever it was at the at the time I can't remember, and Australia needs to have better role models, basically. Because we're all looking up to Ned Kelly like he's the hero, and until we kind of make a better role model than that, then we're gonna be going round in circles here. And then it kind of just kind of There's just a little text epilogue at the end.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:17

He was before his death, he was requested that his mother was released, which was denied, and he requested that his body be handed over to his family or family for burial in consecrated ground, which was also denied. Yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:32

And then that's it. Everyone's a winner, baby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:38

Nedley yeah, Nedley Kelly, Ned Flanders, um found this a bit of a tough watch, to be honest. Yeah. Found this a bit of a tough watch. It's a long film, which is bleak, isn't it? It's very bleak, yeah. I I just come off the back of Marty, which was an in Marty Supreme who wasn't a very likable character. Yeah, there's not a lot of speaker. I could have yeah, I could have done with a bit more of a laugh than thanks. That was funny. Yeah. Uh there's I mean, some of these films I remember, you know, they stay with you, these films. I think there's certain scenes that even when you've finished watching them, you're like, wow, you'll you'll go back to uh I remember watching Nil by Mouth with you know, yeah, it's like Megalols. Yeah, you don't get this isn't as bleak as as maybe I say nil by mouth and the Requiem for Dream are the two most like appallingly difficult movies I've ever seen. Yeah, and this is this is a a tough watch. Brilliantly acted, I must say. There's some great performances in there in the mostly an English and Irish cast. And I thought the the kind of cameo almost that Russell Crowe plays is good. Is is is really good. I'd like to have seen his really strong beard. Yeah, I'd like to have seen what a beard. Um I'd like to have seen that character a little bit more but and played around that, and you although it's not true to the story, you would like to see of him being a role model for for Ned and brought him through being a bigger one.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:11

But just in a marble film, you get you get maybe like a a power spin-off or maybe a a series. Yeah, you know, if it's but no, not in this point.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:20

Well I've as as I say, I've seen the Heath Ledger one where actually it's romanticised and there's a lot more to enjoy about Ned Kelly and his gang and this is probably more like what it was like to survive, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:34

I don't know, you know, the outlaw stuff, whatever. Yeah, when you when you also think when you go into when you there gets a point where you've committed enough crime and you're a full on outlaw where it's zero. You know there's you're not getting out of this life. No, how long can it go? It's like suicide by cop or whatever. But you just you're gonna do enough damage and then you're out.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

The local police sergeant, I guess, in the first few minutes of the film to realise this could be This kid's not getting out of here on the skating. And it is a case of despite his own natural self, which you see is a a pretty good person up until that's the point.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:21

If he'd had a better chance at the start, you know, there's a totally different outcome for him, but it was kind of trapped in that cycles of generational trauma going on there.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:33

And that and that was one of the things I liked about it because that's part of what the movie's about Australia's identity through that and its roots in the Catholic and the the you know the i Victorian England's oppression of them and all that.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:44

And they lost a test match the other day as well. Did they? Yesterday, yeah. Lol. Yeah. Mega Lol. I would be I would like to know what Mel thinks were, because she's been in touch a few times on Discord recently, chatting away. So I think it looked amazing.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:59

Yeah. It had like it it had lots of visually inventive sequences and s flashes of colour and painterly skies and all that sort of stuff, so had that going for it too.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

I mean that first scene, white horse, red dress, yeah. I mean, we could be in in dresses and nappies. That could be quite funny. Money details, do we know money?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:23

Not consistently reported budget figures for it. But we're looking at really no money taken for it box office-wise. I don't know what the uh distribution of it, was it just local, you know, Australian market? But it's all British and Irish cars, isn't it? So a lot. You think it was film four? Film four with an Australian card. Because we're talking about we're talking about only half a million box office. Yeah. Oh right, okay. And you think without cars? We lost a crow in there and Charlie Huntington. It must have it doesn't say, it's not really reported. But irrespective of that, I think the film looks great.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:55

It is bleak, but I think it's terrific as well. Really well acted and looks amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:01

Is it the kind of film you'd watch again?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:03

Maybe. Yeah. I mean, I I'd have to be in the right mood to, you know, watch all that trauma and mum sex and really a really good mood if you wanted to lay down.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

I don't know. I I I enjoyed it and i it look, it y we kind of know the story anyway, right? It's not you're not really surprised. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:26

You're not really a story to be honest. I didn't know about the cross-dressing stuff. I knew about the the helmet and uh he had a gang, but I thought he was like a Billy the Kid or a Robin Hood.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

So you knew he was dead, right? So so you knew he didn't he didn't ride into the sunset. So I don't know, I I didn't look into it before it either. It's not like I'm Australian or anything, it's not part of my culture, but it was just I kind of knew that Wait, that accent's not Australian. Oh believe it or not. Good to hang. There were a few and obviously it's more c more cultural than anything else, but there are a few things with the whenever he speaks to to whoever's English in the film, it's like, oh you're doing to us what you did with the blacks, and like they're aboriginal, right? Or you're doing this, it's it's it's all in that time and the way it worked, really. Right? It's exactly what you said earlier. It's like this is probably how it was. The closest thing you would see is there's no romance, there's no uh sunshine, and oh my god, that's life is hard. That was not easy, and you eat socks and you know it's uh it's it's just always the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:33

Did you look around in the first time? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

But it's like you know, like the the dad is dead, you get his shoes, and you you know, someone is dead there, you get his coat, and it that wasn't that wasn't a a fiction, that was just how it was. Right? And I I don't know. I mean, again, I'm not gonna get this as a gospel and as a but but for me it was the the the main reason why I put it as a norm was because it's based on a real person. I always like a film that is and obviously it's a film, so it's not gonna be exactly about what happened, but I mean they tell you that.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:08

Yeah, I think this is heavily f like deviating away from what the story is supposed to be, but there there was one scene where they see the guy who sat up on a chair on a tree with his bollocks in his mouth.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:21

Nice. And they take the shoes off. You'd do it too if you could. Yeah. And they tie up the shoes and there's like a string of shoes, and he throws them over. He misses. Yeah. And just leaves them there. And then I thought, you can have another go on you, but he doesn't, he just goes back to the show. Director can be fucked out, yeah, exactly. I thought, aren't you gonna would you just leave them there? Everybody else's shoes up that you'd pick them up and have another go, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:43

Yeah. Well and done. It's like the opposite of the pizza on the roof moment from Breaking Bird. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:49

Um recommend. That's more than a movie for me. Yeah, he's a mid shoot rope. So it's it's another mid for me. Strong. Strong, strong. I really liked it.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:00

Strong recommend. Strong. Let us know what you think. Another week, another might be better to be just me and you next week. You're in France? Yeah, if everything works in the world. You're in France? I'm in France as well. Well, if you go in French France. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

So we'll let's do Wolf Week. Let's do a French movie. We'll do Wolf Week. What's in Wolf Week?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:24

Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah. And Teamorph. Shout. But it was going to be a woman. Yeah, what else?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:30

It was gonna be Jack Nickels and Wolf. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:33

No, I think we I think we've gone that for something else. Anyway, it's gonna be top five wolves. And Teamorph 2. And ooh. There will be there'll be a lot of wolf content. It's Wolf Week. Okay. There you go. All that remains is to say sidey signing out. A lot of a delay. Reese has left the building. Dan's gone.