Midweek Mention... Marty Supreme

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I blame Chris.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

For the noms?

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For for everything really. For not bringing back Danny Olamo for the cards.

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Could you have actually procured some?

SPEAKER_00 0:23

I could have if I would have had the imagination. Like the the you know, not just hi only had hand luggage, especially on the way back. I went through Amsterdam on the way to Romania, but on the way back I went to Luthen and I only had EasyJet and that. You couldn't smuggle some about your person? No, not no.

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It's quite big to conceal anywhere. Yeah. Um that is of course the bottle of wine that we look after. But we do have a bottle of primitivo up there.

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Which is which is now the summer's over, we can get back on the good one.

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That's it. One one cloudy day today is putting an end to the heat waves. Which links in just so nicely to this.

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Are we doing this is Marty Supreme, yeah. This is previously So there's there's been like maybe a divorce with the Safety brothers? Oh yeah. Because one did so Josh Safty did this, and the other one did the one with The Rock. Yes. Which was a big floppy, wasn't it? It was a big floppy.

SPEAKER_03 1:17

Um but this one starring in Christopher Nolan's movie now is I think Agamemnon, the really skinny.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Oh yes, I've yeah, I've seen that. I haven't. No, I've watched it. Oh that was amazing. I watched it with my mum and dad, and mind you, these are two people in the 70s, and my dad, after watching that, he's like, we should do this a monthly thing, and we just come here and to my mum. And I was like, fuck your old dad, calm down.

SPEAKER_04 1:41

Honestly, he loved it.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Three hours on the in you know, in the chair and that so for the nice comfy stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you know, like backseat. You you can do the backseat. I didn't really care about that because it was comfortable enough. Yeah, I didn't want to fall asleep.

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This is where all the kissing goes on it. I was gonna say in the back seat with your dad. I'm not gonna kiss it. Yeah, exactly.

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The chances of pulling are quite high.

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You get up to in Romania, stays in Romania on the back seat.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Yeah. Okay, but in any case, this is Marty Supreme. Yeah. I didn't watch it.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

I also didn't watch it, and I missed it on the group chat, and I was a bit gutted because I fancied this. It's got Charlemagne, Zendaya, and that title was quite intriguing. It doesn't happen to Zendaya. No, it's not Zendaya though innit? No, it's Gwynnit.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

We've got Odessa, Zion, they've got Kermin O'Leary, Abel Fra, Franischer, and Shamalai, of course, is the Yeah, Timothy Chalamet is the big drawer. Yeah, he's Marty. Well, talk to talk to us about it.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Come on, what's it is it? Well, I think you'll find that there is only one Marty and it's McFly, but we'll it's based around kind of Marty Mauser, right? Marty Mauser. Can you remember how it starts?

SPEAKER_00 2:55

Yeah, it's in the shoe shop. He's it's him and uh the other guy that works in the shoe shop. He's there's a woman that tries some shoes, and he's you can see that he's selling it to her. He's like, Oh, we don't have these, but I'll I'll get you the nine and a half or whatever. He's a great salary. Yeah, and then this young girl comes into the shop and he's like, Oh, I bought these shoes from you yesterday, and he goes to the other guy that works with him. Oh, can you serve this lady? I'll serve this new young with the young one, and just goes into the show. That's right.

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She she had left, she said, Oh, I've left my shoes, my old shoes. I think you might put them away. I walked out in the new shoes, so I can have the old ones back, and you go, Oh, I'll go and have a look for them in the back. But as soon as they get out there, yeah, they're getting it on, and it actually follows uh a spur going, you know, so that he's talking. Yeah, sort of that's and it follows out on the title one, doesn't it? And the egg and everything. And and you we learn that Marty's working in this shoe store, it's his I think it's his mum's brother's place or something. Yeah, they want to turn him into a his the manager, don't they? Go, look at that card, like he should be impressed with it. And he's going, Look, I told you I don't want this. I'm like, I'm literally just getting the money so I can go to the championship. Achie fame and he he wants to be the best of the best at ping pong at Table Chapter. Tell me all. And this is No Premier League for me.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

His ping pong all the way.

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Absolute you know, this is him walking on the moon, this is him, his NBA championship, this is his World Cup, this is everything, and everything he does is seen through a lens like that.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

And this is exactly that style of hustler, American hustler, New York hustler, where everything is that the next one, I'm gonna this is the next big hit. Isn't it I'm gonna this time I'm gonna make it, this time he's gonna have it like for him, it's whatever debt he gets himself into, the police chases him a couple of times, blah blah whatever. But he also that's that's the scene where he tells the uncle, I'm leaving on a boat tomorrow, I'm going for lunch, uh have my money ready for when I come back. And he takes a three-hour lunch, at least. Yeah. He goes for lunch, chats with this girl, chats with other people, comes back, the uncle's gone, no money.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

He's he's been chatting to these, he's trying to get sponsorship to so he's been chatting to the newspaper men and writing articles. I mean, some of the stuff he comes out with just like unbelievable. He goes, he makes some like remark uh about Auswich and says, I'm gonna give this guy worse than that's not the advantage. Yeah, but he's he's a real nasty character actually, like so selfish anyway.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

He's like so kind of driven and selfish you can't see anything other than his He He's got the He goes back to the shop to get the money because he's in on the next boat to Europe because he's uh or to yeah, to London because it's the world championships of ping-pong in London. Right. And he goes back to get the money, and it's only the his other colleague, his the the shop owner is gone, and the guy's putting the money in the safe. Yeah and as soon as he walks in, the guy locks the safe, and Marty goes, mate, I just want the money. I'm not uh if anything, and he pulls out the gun from his uncle's drawer. If anything, just tell them I robbed your gunpoint and you give me the money. And the guy's like, Well, no, I'm not gonna do that because he just points the gun at him, he's like, You do what I say, I'm not gonna shoot you, just tell them I robbed your gunpoint.

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And he shows him the card, doesn't he? He goes, Look, they want to make me manager. You should be manager. You you born for this, you actually motivated to get this done. He said, I want to be manager. He goes, I'm out of the way, I'm gonna be like it's the British championship he's going for, which is the biggest championship, like other than the world. He goes, I'm gonna be famous, I'm not gonna need this, but you can be the man. So this guy agrees to give him the money and uh and then he goes to London. And then he goes to London, they've all got their paddles on show, and he's representing America, and they've got everyone. At one point, he glances over to a guy next to him who's another American, I think, who's representing it as well, who was previously world champion, and he goes, Oh, Japanese are here. And he goes, Oh, they must have lifted the travel ban. So you know, like they've heard about the Japanese playing, and sure enough, as they go through the championship, it looks like it's gonna be it's like Cobra Kite. Yeah. You can see who's getting coming. He's he sees their Gwyneth Paltro though, doesn't he? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

What is the tone of this movie? I'm sort of getting all over. It's like comedy, is it? No, it's a drama.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Quite serious, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

It's 1954, I'm gonna say. Yeah, around that time. And yeah, no, it's it's uh gritty, kind of gritty, very dark.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

As well.

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Like that's it, very like lighting wise, very dark sometimes. You'd need to watch it in a dark room, so the the little light arbitrary piss me off. Yeah, sometimes you just can't see it. And what is it?

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Does it light up when Gwynna's on the on the screen?

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So when she makes her kind of debut through, that's when he's talking to these.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Yeah, to the journalists. Because sorry to interrupt, but because when he gets there, the all the athletes are put in a pretty much a shithole. Right. And he goes to the president of the ping-pong federation, he's like, I'm a world superstar. Um honestly, he talks like he's you know, like he's a NBA player or you know, or a film. Yeah, like he's already made it. He's like, Oh, you should be, where are you staying at the Ritz? He's like, Well, I should be staying at the Ritz. And next scene, he's at the Ritz. He's got the room, whatever. And then that's where she he sees Gwyneth Paltrow because she's not mingling with the commoners.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Yeah, she's actually a famous actress who's like had her best days, but everybody knows who she's gonna be. A bit like Gwyneth Paltrow. But as he kind of looks at her going through, he catches her eye and he gets her number and he calls her, and his confidence is off the chart. He's going, Hi, I caught your eye, you caught my eye today in the lobby. I'm just calling you, you might heard me. Look at page 12 in the Daily Mail. There I am, like, you know, they yeah, that's me. And she's just kind of won over, I guess, by the fact one, that she's got a really boring husband who's a businessman and a millionaire, and and two, that she's just bored of of this kind of life and he's a little bit exciting, and he's he's quite a lot younger than her. He's a lot younger.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

He's he's clearly 23 and she's I don't know, 40s, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

So it's a bit And so she's kind of flattered, I guess, by the attention in some way or shape, and he's saying, Look, look out the window there, there's a fruit bowl across the street, and he goes, If there's an apple that's gonna end up on that bowl, you go out with me or something. She said, No, I won't, but it appears like you know uh He throws the apple from his room to the other room, whatever and she goes Okay, well she they end up meeting and she's intrigued. He leaves a a ticket to her to see the the semi-finals of the the table tennis where he's playing his friend to get into the final and he's way up. Yeah. What are the table tennis sequences like? So it's you know, like raging ball, it's not like that. It's no, they're they're they're quite good and he's obviously practiced. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

They are quite good to be fair. I do think there's a there's a level of CGI in it because I don't think he plays all those.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

Or he's got a double. Or yeah, or he's got like some. It must have a double someone else's body or something like that. Those those shots are definitely possible to be played. And he plays, I think he's 20 points, 21 a game, you know. So he's 20 points to four up or five up against his friend, and he goes, Let's make the next point kind of entertaining. Because it's better. And yes, yeah, because that's the and he's doing it under his legs behind the back, and he's he sort of he loses that point, but it's uh being a bit flamboyant. They're they're getting flamboyant, he doesn't really care. And he he wins the next point, and they hug and he's friends, and it just kind of you know, he sees himself as kind of the politics historian or the transcendent, does he? Yeah, more than just he's had ideas about a different coloured ball, an orange ball. So he says, look, white against white, you can't see it, but an orange ball, and he's got one of his guys that he works with. Again, he's everybody he knows he's taken advantage for from in some way, shape, or form, and it's no different in a cynical way, or just in the pursuit in his dream. In the in the pursuit of his dream, in a cynical way, but he is selfish, complete selfish way. He knows what he's doing. Yeah, he has it like the the girl that he met at the beginning, yeah, she's married, but he doesn't give a fuck. He he's he's off, you know, the Kay Stone, Gweneth Paltrow. Yes, he's infatuated with her a little bit, or she's with him at the beginning, but he's just looking about you know what he can get from her. His friend that he plays table tennis, it's just uh he knows he's better than him, so he just wants to shove it in this guy's face. But then they get to the final against Endo, the Japanese guy, who's got this different paddle.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Different paddle, and also he holds the the style that we all uh like the professionals hold it now. Dan's demonstrating so the yeah. Whereas he's he Marty holds the palette or the whatever you call it. The paddle. The paddle, the way we would hold it, right? Yeah. But the the Japanese guy has strange upper grip and the professional grip. And what's different about the paddle itself?

SPEAKER_02 12:22

It's a different paddle, I think, has got some foam side, one hard side, you know, whereas you think in the 1950s it would have just been two kind of foam paddle sides. He's got a harder side. So is it?

SPEAKER_03 12:33

So is this a bit like when Ivan Drago's got all of the latest.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

Exactly, this is this is a different way. And as he goes on to lose this game in the final and get well beat, yeah. As Endo has done with everybody else, he he losing it.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

He's kind of Oh yeah, he throws a chair at the end, he he goes like four.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

He's had to realise he's not the best. Yeah, he basically does a flamboard. But he can't admit that he's not the best. He he hasn't got room to admit in his mind he's not the best. There's an excuse why he didn't win, he didn't have a real paddle, this, that, and the other. And so the film kind of goes through him then trying to battle to get to Japan for the world championships to prove to face Endo on his home turf.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

This really is like the karate kid now, isn't it?

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Yeah. And he's getting in all kinds of scrapes, so he's got a hustle going on to get the money back with a taxi driver friend of his, and they'll go in, one of them will pretend he's really shit at table tennis, the other one will he'll come in and you know, there's no internet around, nobody knows. No, it's like white man can't jump. Yeah. And so he's a little bit hustling. For a sports movie, you know, it it's I like a sports movie, but this wasn't that just because he is so unlikable as a character, I feel mighty supreme, and he ends up trying to, you know, do the scam to get more money in this, and he it works, but then there's that scene where it's inevitable, they catch up with him, they see them together, they're gonna beat the shit out of him. So is she funding him? So not at this point, but eventually she does. Yeah, because he's run out of options.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

So he went to a hustle with Paltra. Yeah. He went to a hustle, he went to hustle these guys with uh with a to play table tennis in some area, and that's when they got uh found and beat. He tries to and also he's fined for all the events in London. He's banned from the world championships and he's fined $1,500 because he's gonna be able to 1950s. He wrapped up a tab of the writs because he was sending champagne to people and all sorts here. He refused to pay, and all the stuff that he did, it all caught up with him. Yeah, he tried to hustle to do all that, these guys beat him up, so the only option is now to just kind of hand.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

In one scene, he's having a bath at a really cheap gratty. No, you don't. You bet he's at a really cheap, grotty kind of hotel, yeah. And the bath falls through the floor onto the guy below washing his dog in the bath and breaks his arm. So this guy, he's like, Look after my dog, like is he wrapping up his arm and he goes, No, no, I've got a job, like I'm not gonna do it. And he goes, Look, look, he opens his bag, it's full of money, full of money, and he goes, Take, you know, fifty dollars, I'll pay you triple whatever your job was gonna give you, like, you know, and just look after my dog, it's like family. He doesn't do anything, he just sort of takes a dog with him, you know. Takes the dog with him, but he's just trying to turn that money into more money so he can get onto this trip and everything. The dog escapes during one of the fights. What kind of dog is it?

SPEAKER_00 15:50

It's like a mixture between a lab and a German shepherd.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

Yeah, like a leaf back is something like that, you know, something like that. A reach around. Um it was called Larry. No, Moses. Moses, Moses the name. Moses was actually his name, yeah. Yeah. So we'll we'll meet Moses later because this guy's a gangster that he's turned over.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Oh dear.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

And you know that's gonna be coming. Something's gonna happen. That's kind of always in the back of your mind as he goes through and he starts. He can only go on so long like this. Yeah, he's gonna get close to criminality.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Um Gwyneth Paltrow's husband comes to New York. Yeah. And do we see her naked at all? Not really. So no need to say this from a screen.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

There's some steamy scenes, but not really not hot hot. And he's yeah, he's having a an affair with her, her her husband.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

And he steals her necklace. Yeah, he steals pawn it or something. Which is just costume jewelry, he finds out. He tries to pawn it, but then when when he pawns it, he's like, Oh, actually.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

And then so everybody has a means to an end to it.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

Oh, everybody. Uh and then he goes back to her and says, Look, I stole this necklace off you. I'm so sorry. I couldn't do it. Have you got one that's more valuable? I just I just didn't, you know, and she goes, I think that you took that to the pawn shop, they told you it's costume jewelry. And he goes, It's costume jewelry? Oh, I didn't know that. Like he fucking knows fully well.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Is that because she doesn't have money and it's all a shampoo? Loads of money. Oh, loads of money. Or the husband.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

He's got no taste, maybe he can't. She's just in a loveless marriage and he's giving her attention and she's he's called her out. He goes, Well, look, I'm gonna be someone, he says, I can't think of like you know anything else. I'm not like you, I haven't given up on my career. Like, you know, it's just real kind of bad mouth and straight and doesn't give zero fucks. It gets to it. He gets to Japan, he gets to ja he gets to Japan despite all the bullshit, but despite the girl right at the beginning showing herself to be very pregnant, her husband pretty sure it's not him, despite him getting arrested for the armed wobbery at the beginning that he did, even though it was his you know family business or whatever, they still kind of scare him and beat the shit out of him to to try and get the money back. But he makes it to Japan by begging Gwyneth Paltrow's husband Give me the money and I'll leave your wife alone. No, give me give me the money. Look, I made a big mistake. He actually whacked, he goes, Okay, he's just been awesome. He said, I tell you what, his son died in the war. And he goes, Look, you know, just because your son's dead, it doesn't mean that my chances are a really bad kind of worse than that though. I can't remember what it's like.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Yeah, I can't remember the way he says this, but it's like at least I'm gonna I'm gonna be the people that killed your son or something like that, because he got killed by the Japanese, his son.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

And he's just like this guy, he's just like, look at him, he goes, You heard me saying I wasn't gonna be the best in the world, and I hurt you back, it's tat for ten. He's like, No, what he said was like you're not gonna be the best in the world at ping pong. You've said something about you know, his his son that died in combat in combat and shit. Yeah, so he begs anyway in front of all his friends and everything, please, look, please. And he goes, Okay, tell you what, go to the office, get me the paddle, come back. He goes, take down your pants. He just whacks him.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

He goes, he goes, Wait, do I know that you he whacked Marty's ass? Matty's ass.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

He's do you see his ass? Yeah, you see his ass. Yeah, okay. And he's actually getting hit and he's getting absolutely Oh, why did I miss this movie? And how many times does he get whacked?

SPEAKER_03 19:27

Is it?

SPEAKER_02 19:28

He gets at least one for his son, another one for him, another one for the insults, you know. So he goes, he goes, I'm on a plane tomorrow, and he goes, How do I know if you you're gonna let me on the plane still? And he goes, You don't, you don't, Mary. He goes, 'Cause you've got no power here. Yeah. It's up to you. Anyway, he does get on the plane, he goes. And one of the conditions of him going is that he's got to play in an exhibition match pre-tournament against Endo. And he has to lose. And he's got to lose. He's got he's What do you mean? It's it's a fix. Yeah, it's an entertainment match. Because Rockwell Pence is going to be the promoter, and he's got to, you know, write his name into the history books or whatever this other guy like. Endo's gonna win. It's in front of his home crowd. And so it's kind of getting to the end now. So he's getting to this table at the front, they're in Japan, and he goes to Mr. Seti, who's the ping pong federation guy who he'd said about the hotel earlier in the movie, going, Why are you putting me in this shit? Oh, I should be in the best place you've got. And he goes, I'm here for the championship, Mr. Seti. I just wanted to say and he goes, fuck, you're not playing the championship. You're too late. You're too late. And he goes, We've made all the brackets. He goes, Well, you just redo the brackets. Like, I'm here. I'm actually here, I'm in Japan. Because you know what I took to get me here. And he goes, Don't give it away. I don't give it to you. Don't don't rules on the rules. So they play the the exhibition match, and he's got to lose 21 to 14 or 21. And and he actually loses 21 to 14. And they're like, But did he throw it? He did it, and I thought, oh, he's gonna try and play his way out here, like you know, but they go, No, he he he's played it, and they're all sort of clapping, and Endo's the best, and he goes, Right, and now the loser has to kiss a pig on on stage. And he's like, Sorry, what sorry was uh who? What? And he goes, Yeah, so we're gonna bring on the special guest now, and they bring out this big fucking pig, and he's got a kiss on his stage. That's like no no, it was a fix, it was a fucking fix. I'm not I'm gonna play you now for real, and nobody wants it. But he goes to Endo, he goes, Come on, let me, let me play you. I know, but we've already seen him lose twice, too. Endo's death as well.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Yeah, that's that's another one that they said that he's so well focused on the movement of token that he doesn't get distracted.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

He's a he's an absolute machine. But Endo goes, Okay, I'll play. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, he's gonna play me. So they play this epic game in which it's one little one one, two, one, two, three, you know, all the way through. You've got to win two points. And when he eventually gets to match a point, it's like twenty-three, twenty-four, and he's he's got the point and he wins. He kind of collapses onto the floor like he's you know the best of the best. To the best he's he's achieved for him. He's like, I've done it, I've proved myself. He wishes Endo all the best for the tournament. I hope you go and win it. Is he for the pig? He leaves the pig alone. Rockwell, Kay's husband, is looking in the thing thinking, you've totally fucked my plans here, and I'm gonna fucking hate on you for the rest of your life. But there's a small group of American GIs in the crowd that all cheering for him because he's he's American and he managed to hitch Hyker Left back.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Because he was mental with Rockwell, but he's like, fuck off, you're not coming with me.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Then then he remembers, oh, wait a minute, just before I was going to Japan, the the girl that I got up the duff was actually in a massive shoot, like there was a big gunfight and everything that had gone on. Yeah, so yeah, we just getting Moses back there with the gangster. It all kicked off. Is that as left-field as it sounds? Yeah, where it goes out there. Yeah, I guess. And it was, I mean, it was not as left-field as well. It's linear as I made it sound.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

No, no, it's linear in the film, but it happened.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

It was always gonna happen with the gangster in the Moses. It was always gonna kick off, and it had just before. Instead of going to the hospital with her to see that she was okay and the baby was gonna be okay, he's fucked off to Japan. Yeah, I see, it's the way that so he's just so focused on being the when he gets back, right, he hasn't got the big money deals, he hasn't got the promotions, he hasn't got the thing, but he knows himself that he's won, and he goes to the hospital, and for the first time you see a bit of humanity in him that is seems to be genuinely not thinking about himself when right at the last scene, isn't it? He's just looking at the baby and through the glasses, they do in those days, you know, sort of mouse of mouths, like and they show him he's he saw a few tears come on and end off. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Well, what are we to think then? That he's what, grown up or so? I don't know. What we Well the the film for me was I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Think of Cristiano Ronaldo like in arsehole kind of ego ego-driven way, yeah. Where he doesn't give a fuck about anybody single-minded dedication, but he obviously Ronaldo isn't anywhere near his guy.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

He's no good at ping pong.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

He's just uh he's no he's nowhere near his level of ping pong. And but he's got absolutely pinpoint focus on what he needs to do to get to Japan, what he needs to do to get to the championship, what he needs to do to get to the best, and he'll fuck over any of his friends, he'll manipulate him, he'll he's a really intensely unlikable character for me, yeah. And so then does that make it hard to watch?

SPEAKER_00 25:07

It could be hard to watch a movie that follows or dislikes for daily nice. I don't know. I thought for me it was more that it was quite interesting because you you want to see when it all catches up because you know that there's there's something gonna happen because you can't just keep doing that. You can't just keep it And well, you wanted to catch up on him. Well, yeah, of course. But but it's also you you know, any anyone that comes in in in c initially you want him to you're like well his uncle doesn't want to give him the money. There's a relationship with a mum, he still lives at home with a family, he's sleeping with his high school with his childhood friend who's married to another guy that's actually his friend, and the guy knows. Yeah. So it's it's all these kind of things where you're like initially you cheer for him, then you're like, this guy's a bit of a dumb.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

All the tough conversations around that relationship he leaves to her to do. He he passes her off as his sister, he says the kid's not mine, he he Jeez, you know, he's really, really unpleasant. He's a real piece of work, and it did for me make it a less enjoyable film because he's a distinctly unlikable character. I've liked serial murderers more than him, like Hannibal Lecter, you like more than he's had a bit of a Well, you do like it, don't you? Yeah, no, exactly. So, but maybe that you know, he's not a serial killer, he's just somebody he's and that he wants to be the best. And actually, he is very, very good at what he does, you know, at at table tennis. There was this kind of paddle that was brought in that maybe wasn't, you know, regulated in the way that all the other paddles, it was different to everybody else's. So and he knew that given relatively a short amount of time he's he's managed to get this guy's number and and beat him in a game, albeit just one in a in this kind of entertainment game rather than the the the championships. But for him, that's justified it enough, almost everything that he's done.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

But for for a movie that's like about a sportsman dedicated to reaching the pinnacle of his career, there's like very little about the actual sport, right? It's mostly about him fucking over people.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Well, there's a bit of both, right? Because the journey is towards his goal, his goal being the ping pong, and there is the tournament in London, then there's the exhibition, he also performs at the halftime for the Harmul Globetrotters. He performs these tricks, he plays ping-pong with the animals and all that are beneath him.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

He because he has to. And even going back to Rockwell's, you know, he swallows his pride so many times. He embarrasses himself, he does, you know, he he can't enjoy all that he's done, but he is zero focus on getting to Japan, being the best, proving he's the best, and he'll do whatever it takes. It's a film about somebody who will do whatever it takes to make sure that he comes out on top and fulfills his potential and purpose. Yeah. And he can't see and he can't understand people that aren't seeing the same as him. How's Chalamet in it? Is he good because he's the darling?

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yeah. And it seemed like a three-year campaign of trying to get trying to get the best actor nod. So yeah, how was the? I thought he was good.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Well, if you I say I didn't like the character, it wasn't that he wasn't a bit you know Well that sounds like he was being successful to me. He was being successful in in the sense of the the film and the way but I could see why this didn't get him the Oscar Nod. I think he tried too hard. It it was yeah, I mean sometimes the uh the Dylan film I thought was a better representation of a character and everything in and maybe that's just because it's me.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

I like Dylan and I think it was so obvious that it was such a big campaign to try and get that, and then that kind of turns people off a bit.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

And even the the the love interest with him and Gwyneth Paltrow, I mean there's lots that we've missed out. 'Cause it's quite a long movie, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Two and a half hours, yeah. Um I have a bit of a problem with Timothy Chalamet because he's such a fucking little He's an ethereal little. He's like a little pixie or something. Yeah, this guy can't be the fucking like leading man for our age.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

He he was he was really good. I'm I'm gonna read it short. But the film itself I thought was really good in terms of the way it's filmed and in as a time period, uh the the whole thing. The ping pong scenes were good, but then you can't really say they were CGI or not because you can't tell. I don't care about that. The the the difference in the age is is what it is, and that's the here who the actors were chosen. For me, it was more pfft not strange, but the way he's portrayed as it's just for me, that's just ping pong. Someone that has this this illusion of grandeur that I'm gonna be the best ping pong player. I I understand there's the ping pong community, and I understand there's people that is massive in Asia or is massive there, but this is the 50s in America where even the there's a lot of people that are like ping pong.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

Yeah, I was thinking it's really niche.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Why are you so and he he has this almost like like a baseball player that let's say uh uh you know or or someone that's some sport that's big in America, yeah. He acts like he's like an MVP in basketball.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

He's already uh uh I'm gonna be on a Wheaties box. No, not an American.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

I'm gonna be on the Wheaties box, and you would think that he's the sprinter for the hundred meters, like whatever the Jesse Owens guy, whatever. You're playing ping pong, mate. No, and and because the whole thing is, oh, is this a ping pong for uh association? I I want to stay at the writs. And I'm not saying this hasn't happened because apparently it's all based on a book about a person that was real. Marcy Reisman was the real guy, yeah. The needle they called him. For me, it was more that that was where it was a little bit not at the level of of such a film because this guy's confidence in himself and it the arrogance of what he thought he was in the film was just I'm like, alright, okay, let's ping pong grow up. The film itself was really well made, and the action is for for me, especially for a two and a half hour film, it kept me I didn't stop, I didn't go watch a cup of tea or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

And Safti, the Safti brothers, and then obviously individually they're obviously good filmmakers and A24 as well. It's A24 studio and there's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Actually, a few times, yeah, can you say the Safties? It was reminding me a little bit of just the way you're describing it of uncut gems a little bit in the way that's a very good thing. Well, that's hustle constant hustle, isn't it? It's gonna fall apart, you know, and all that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

It has that kind of pacing for it, you know, where you feel that it's gonna catch up with him, the pressure's gonna be there, there's such there's something that's gonna come down. I think what what Chris said, you know, it you could take ping pong, you could put anything in there. Somebody who wants something as bad as Marty wanted it, yeah, they can attain it.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

I guess he just wanted the fame and the rewards that go with it, and he just happened to be talented at ping pong. So if he was talented at basketball, he would have gone down the basketball. Exactly. It's just this is the thing that he was half decent at. Budget for this between let's say let's say it's 70 million is between 60 and 70 various sources. Do you think this was a hit or not?

SPEAKER_02 32:15

I think it probably would have made money. The fact it's gone quite quick to prime video makes me think that.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

I think this was a bit of a flop, probably.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

I think it probably made that back though.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Well, I agree with you that the fact that it's gone s is it quickly though? Because it was it does seem when you said it was on prime, I was like, wow, that's gone quickly too. But it it made 191. I was gonna say it down. Because there was a lot of hype around the Oscars. A guy, a friend of mine at work, Jamie, he said this was fucking shit and it was pure Oscar bait. But he's very he's very extreme with his opinions. So I I will check it out. Is it this is Josh, is it? Josh Samsung.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

This is Josh Samsung. And another one, there's there's Josh and there's no, but there's someone else that is not a C director with it. Yes, Ronald Bronstein.

SPEAKER_03 33:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

Oh, okay, right, yeah. And he's the same writer for Ancon Jones.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

Oh. Well there you go. Collab. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Frequent collaborators. Okay, so would on the on the level of like recommend, where would it be? Strong. Mid for me. Mid recommend. Yeah. Mid and a strong. Strong and then.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

Have we ever had a mid recommend before?

SPEAKER_01 33:24

We've had moderate recommends before. And then Riggs and I to be to be decided.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

I s I still think the best Marty in in movies is McFly.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Yeah.