Third Movies and Army of Darkness

SPEAKER_01 0:11

So we're doing kind of third thing. We did for our midweek, we did close encounters with a third kind. Yeah. And we're doing we're doing talk about Army of Darkness, which was the third movie in a franchise. Yeah. So top five is gonna be top five third movies in a franchise. Yeah. Might have bet the rules a little bit for my norm if I get to it. So all that to look forward to. We don't have the official intro style this week. No. I've been pushed for time as well. You've watched a few bits, weeks. I think possible.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

I've seen loads of stuff actually. I've seen Backrooms and we talked about, I've seen Obsession, which I enjoyed. I have seen Disclosure Day. I saw Finished Off Cape Fear. Oh right. Yes, but it is very ridiculous. Very, very highly, highly ridiculous. So if you know that going in, you should be alright. So yeah, I've enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

Nice. I finished off the pit finally. Yeah. Now that the World Cup is voluntarily done, I managed to finish that off. Second season, not as good as the first. Yeah. But still very entertaining. Chris's prophecy comes. Yeah, he's right in this one. Although it's still definitely worth the watch. I think I'm gonna watch Widow's Bay next. Yeah, it's brilliant. Yeah, it's just getting strong recommends across the board. I watched Backrooms and I've just started watching The Mandalorian and Grogu. Alright. But I'm not very far into that, so it's fine, it's the style stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

Slow horses, I'm telling you, that is an absolute treat to come. So I finished off the the fifth series of Slow Horses after a a bit of a a break on Apple TV, but was pleased to finish that one off. I also went to see the Odyssey at the cinema. Yeah. It really good, really good. I mean, three hours goes fast. Um my mum and nephew went to see it at a four max where the seats shake and the water.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

I saw some footage of one of those. It looked like fucking pretty violent, actually.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Yeah, they said mum said there was even wind, the arrows come through at one point. It said wind goes past. She was like, Oh, what's that? You know, so it it gives you that full kind of experience uh watching it all. But Slow Horses was something good.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Spider-Man. Yes, brand new day, is it? Yeah. That's filmed in X Vision or Total X or something. I can't remember. And what is that? It's where the screen goes round the corner. So there's only 21 screens in the UK where you can see that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

But I'd never even got to an IMAX yet, so Cinnamon just trying to do something different, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 2:48

I've seen documentaries in places like that. Some they have places in the US and France as well, where you go into like an auditorium. It's mostly happening in front of you, but obviously there is stuff. Remember a wildfire documentary and the guys who put them out, and obviously like the scale of it as it was around you, the world is quite incredible. But I suppose you could go all the way to the sphere in Vegas where it's just fucking everywhere. But how do they how do they do that?

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Like how they decide what to put at the side bits of the Well, you remember the World Cup. They were had the around the the stadiums in some of the World Cup, they had a kind of huge screen all the way around.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Yeah, because you still want to the focus of it to be from the centre, right? Otherwise, yeah. I don't know. Anyway, the cinema numbers this year seem to be seems to bounce back a bit the old disaster. Christopher Nolan always gets him in, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I mean, he's guaranteed boxes. Spider-Man was the second highest ever opening weekend. Was it? Yeah, mine's endgame. And I literally know no one who's gone to see it.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

No. I know, I know a few people that have gone and enjoyed it. So it's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

What I did watch as well was John Bernthal and Tom Holland on Hot Ones. Okay, I've seen a bit of that. It was kind of funny actually clips of it. Yeah. They're really our best pals then, too. Yeah. He does a good impression of him.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

They have a good value on it as well, actually. And then I went down a rabbit hole of watching people getting way too confident about the hot wings. Yeah. And then getting to the bomb and just like completely having one. Yeah. And that would be me on the first one, to be honest. But they tell you the scovel level. Yeah. The first one's 2,100 on the scobel scale.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Is that a lot? That sounds like a lot already.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

I think that would be like just some regular hot sauce that you could get in a Zig mic or whatever. That's probably enough. Which is pretty spicy. And then I think the bomb one is 135,000. And then there's another one where it's it's like crazy numbers, and like that's just gotta be pure pain, surely.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

I just don't want to be like filmed gagging and crying.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

Scarlet Your Hansen chandered on it.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Yeah. So if you're into that, watching Scarlet Your Hansen Chander?

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Maybe. I've never thought about it before, but so we're gonna be doing the top five films that have a third film in their franchise. So The Godfather Three, for example. Is that the That's what we're gonna do? We're brave taking that on, aren't we? I mean which other podcasts out there doing this kind of stuff. No one's ever developing this content. No. Do you want to get into that right now? Oh, I think so. Yeah. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Right, third films in a franchise. Yeah. Shadows might just pull it off. Because people when they get successful, they like to just hammer these things to the quote. It's true, isn't it? You know, you get ever you get diminishing returns, but sometimes the third film is still really good. Yeah. Not always, but sometimes. I tell you, I'm the I'm the start.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

Well on your list. I'm gonna start with a really strong one. Go on. Because it won eleven Oscars.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Titanic.

SPEAKER_02 5:57

Yeah, Titanic three. It's Return of the King, surely. Yeah. Lord of the Rings, Return of the King, 2003. There we go. Um and it it's three hours longs. Three hours long. Yeah, yeah. It it it literally brought its own broom.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Was it all like visual effects and stuff though?

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Did they get any like there's a really shit bit of visual effects in it where he have you seen it?

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Because you don't you don't necessarily vibe with these so much, do you?

SPEAKER_00 6:27

I think I went to see it in the cinema, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

But that you know when he commits as the ghosts of the former kings guys. Yeah, and they just sweep through like a fog and I thought it was lame for the. Oh, maybe I haven't seen it for a while. That was a good moment. But it did win, I think it won like director, don't everyone best picture.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

But no actory stuff. It was all like costume and music and editing and editing photography and gorils CGI and whatnot, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 6:51

Yeah, I think but best picture. I mean that's that's a really big one. Yeah. To win. They don't come a lot bigger than that. They don't come a lot bigger than that. And that's such a strong start by me. Well done.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Toy Story Jackson takes a lot of the credit there.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Yeah, does he? Partial. Toy Story Three? Wow. Which one is that lotso? Yes, that's the one where it's sad. Bits of sweet ending because the kid he gives up his toys and it's like moving on from his childhood.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Thematically, it felt like the end of the series.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Do you remember how he got really irate about it? Yeah. He was he refused to watch Toy Story Four. Yeah. And Valley Five is shite. Is it? Um I think I'm going to the cinema to see that.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Is he still on? Yeah. You kind of grew up with it though. That was him letting go of the toys and everything.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

It was a it would have been a very good place to just finish. But it's one of those things where it's just a massive money. Probably just been. There was a little bit of something though, wasn't there? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

The next generation of kids picking up toys and stuff like that. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Yeah, this was Lotso where they end up in They're at a daycare, aren't they? A daycare centre. They're donated, yeah, and Buzz has his switch turned on to Espanol, and he starts speaking in Spanish. Yeah. They have to bust out of there and Lotso doesn't want him to leave and ends up in the sort of scary kind of like recycling centre where they're going to go in the furnace and they manage to get out through the magazine. Lotto ends up being on the front of a trade wagon with like bugs going into his face and stuff. Yeah. That was that was really good twist with you. Strong recommend for that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

I'm gonna go for the Matrix Revolutions. There was another 2003 movie, and people really thought they hated the third one until the fourth one came out. But we'll get to that. But I I think what people didn't like about the Matrix Revolutions, which is one of the things that I've come to really love about it, is that it doesn't end with easy answers and Neo winning. It ends with this like uneasy truce and it and the guys fighting to a stalemate, which, you know, it just didn't go down well at all with audiences. But until they made the fourth one. I mean, it was They sort of made the fourth one almost like a protest, didn't they? They were gonna make it away. Whether they were involved or not. So only one of the Wachowski sisters was involved, Lana, I believe, and she wrote this sort of protest movie about why you shouldn't really make a Matrix sequel and kind of, you know, didn't bother with all of the stuff that you came to really love. Like the finely directed action sequences were much sloppier. I got so drawn in by the trailer, like I always do, and thought this is gonna be amazing. Well, because you're just desperate to go back to that world, it was so cool. There is another Matrix coming, and there's somebody good involved. It could be Drew Goddard or Matt Reeve, somebody quite good. Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

So that that would be the I think I've only seen it the one time at the cinema, and all I can remember is just shellcasing sitting on the floor for about two hours as I just got bored. I like it. Maybe it needs just a rewatch to I haven't even seen it at number two for a long, long time. Yeah. Sometimes just do them all back to back, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Reappraisal. Indiana Jones in The Last Crusade. Yeah. Could be the best one at the long. Yeah, exactly. And that's where we're going with thirds, isn't it? Where if you if you can say to all it was good, it was great. Actually, the third one's even better than what you gotta do, you've got to bring in Sean Connery. You know, that's what you've got to do. You've got to say who's gonna be Indie Jr. Who's gonna be Indy's dad? We have a Phoenix at the start as well. Yeah, we have a Phoenix at the start as a young indie, we know where he gets his scar from.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

He's Yeah, it's I'm a little bit of an indie three denier, just for that reason. Just because if they wrote a movie now about a beloved character who had several significant traits, like a scar on his chin and wore a hat and carried a whip, and then they revealed in a prequel that it all happened to him in about the space of about 15 minutes, that he got all those things. You'd go fucking bananas, you'd be like, What the fuck? How does that like if Neo found his trench coat and sunglasses and like in uh you wouldn't you wouldn't have so I think it just landed at the right time?

SPEAKER_02 11:07

This this is just indie. And obviously, there it I'm going with it because you see his ingenuity as well. His dad when he's got the the umbrella, Sean Connery on the beach and starts quoting poetry. I'm not sure who it is, Tennyson. Tennyson, I think it is, yeah. I'm just gonna reaching for that and sends all the the kind of birds into the into the sky that gets caught in the Well and the ad lib detor.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

Number two is dreadful, but not as bad as four or five. Which makes three even better. And number one, as we know The greatest film of all time. It doesn't matter that NJ Jones doesn't need to be involved, he doesn't he's contributes nothing to the film, yeah. It would have just happened whether he was there or not. Yeah, in fact he probably makes it easier. Whereas three, it does need him at the end to be the one who picks the right you know, chalice.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Yeah. Well that's it. Of course, he's he's he's a good scene. He he finally listens to his dad junior and he's I could have got it, Dad.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Although how fucking stupid were they not to pick the only cup that looked different to every single one of them.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Every time I'm I going to pick up my miss from work or something and she's like one nanosecond late, I send her the gif of the the night wave It's a ghost.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

The old night. And so we should. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a great third film though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Jason Bourne, the Bourne Ultimatum. Because it was it was actually uh kind of a trilogy at this point, and they did bring it back. This is sort of Peak throwing the camera around in fight sequences, so he can't really tell at all what's going on. Yeah. You get answers as well, don't we? You do get answers in his original. You find out his real name.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

You normally do on the third, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 12:56

You start to get these What happens in the third glass?

SPEAKER_01 12:59

He goes after Jessica Landy and she tells him what his real name was and how he starts to get more and more of his memory back, and he can remember the training and all that sort of stuff. Don and all that. He starts to remember. Yeah, it's the one with Oh Jesus Christ. The guy from Dead Man's Shoes.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Paddy Gonson, he's in a very sort of brilliant sequence and he's the journalist, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Let's say St. Pangras or whatever, and yeah, getting on the train, release the asset, and yeah, they take him out. So it does have some good snipery stuff, and it has some fights where yeah, it's just really kinetic and you can't really tell. Is it one or two maybe has some of the best chase sequences where he has to kill that other hitman? Who's it's what's his name, isn't he? From The Boys. Ubbin. Yeah. That's right. But this one was good and it did sort of bring it to a nice He fights him in the apartment and he comes through the window, doesn't he? That's a different French dude. Oh friend. He sticks the Byron right off his hand. That's really grim. So it did give you some closure, but then they did have to bring him back because it's just too successful to leave there. And they brought him back as Jeremy Renner for a little while. For one, yeah, that was the Bourne something. Legacy. That was Legacy. And then there was just Jason Bourne. Yeah. That one was alright. I watched that one. It's better than the Jane Renner one. It's just a generic film person. Yeah, Ultimatum. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Guardians of the Galaxy 3? That was unexpectedly good. What happens to that one? It's the one it's the way you find out what happened to Rocket, basically.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Oh, that's right. The second one was The Planet. Yeah. And then yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

The second one I didn't care for too much, Kurt Russell Ego, the Planet and all that. The third one was like about Rocket and this collection of CGI animals, and it could have been like or CGI monstrosities, it could have been terrible, but it ended up having like a real heart and soul, that movie. And I can't remember who the bad guy was in it. He was a geneticist, I remember that, and he was creating these animals basically for his aesthetic pleasure. Yes. Yeah, that was a good one. And then that was James Gunn's sort of farewell to the MCU. It was a really good movie, and then he obviously has moved over to DCU, and they've got the Green Lantern TV.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Lanterns, yeah. I watched the trailer for it. What do you think? It's never been an IP that I've been interested in. Yeah. But it has got that guy with the fucking mad hair from Superman in it. Oh yeah, yeah. And it's the Phillion, isn't it? Yeah. So I was sort of quite interested in it. It's just it can look really wank when they just create anything they can think of. Yeah. It's got so that they need to lean into it and make it silly. Otherwise, it's quite hard. It's a lot of heavy lifting to do after the Ryan thingy version. But I guess in a TV series they could do more with it. I don't know. I will watch some of it and see how it seems.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

We've also got Clayface coming out, it's quite interesting.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Could be into that.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

Sort of body horror movie.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Um I I I was looking at comedies and The Naked Gun, 33 and a third, The Final Insult. Nicole Smith in that one, isn't it? Yeah. It's just daft. Frank Drebin comes out of retirement to go under course. He does. Dead pan delivery. Yeah. Anna Nicole Smith.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Yeah, Anna Nicole Smith, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Yeah, and he's just got the Untouchables, I think, the baby scene on that as well, where he just spoofs that and an Oscars ceremony. There's there's loads of just stupid Frank Drebin lines just delivered brilliantly. And is that the one where he ends up in Big Brother? Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

He starts at right, this chateau that is supposed to be served chilled.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

It's his room temperature.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Yeah, that's right. It is it there's just different kinds of absurd parts of like interrogations and over kind of explained wordplay and the the crime scene where it's just like, you know, he's he's not just put a thumbprint, he's signed a confession, he's done a painting, he's done so uh a ton of stuff, and yeah, the bad news which he just doesn't seem to get. It makes me laugh just thinking about each each one, actually. And at that time, you just wanted more of the same. Have you seen the new one?

SPEAKER_00 17:11

You seen the most recent one?

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Yeah, I did with Liam Neeson. Yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad at all. It's not bad. It's quite funny.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Yeah, but it gets there's some good bits in it. Yeah, it's it's not you know as good as the gag in the trailer where they'll look at the picture of their father and you have to sort of get past the thing of Liam Neeson in was it extras or the you know the thing that he does with Ricky Gervais where he's trying not to be funny? Yeah, and uh yeah, you have to get past that. But he's good.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

Yeah, he is good, it is good in it. It's Pamela Anderson as well, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

They had the they were sort of dating. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Was it just publicity for the movie or something? I don't think major in publicity, but who knows? Um, but yeah, 32 and a third.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

A three-quel movie that I fucking really, really genuinely love is Die Hard with a Vengeance. Yeah, it's a good one. It's really good. The first three are all really good. I I don't think I liked the fourth one that much. But this one's where he he teams up with Samuel L.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Zoo. Yeah. He's just dropped off in the really racist. Just trying to remember I I don't like He doesn't like people of African origins, something like that. Yeah. Maybe more crudely worded. And he was stripped naked and dropped off in downtown.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Takes him instead, and you're gonna fucking get killed. And then they go on this thing where And they end up having to solve some rudimentary like Simon says.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Well, yeah, some sort of math stuff, like you know, I've got five layers this and four layers there.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

You've got to get to a telephone box across town and you've got no turn.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

But the villainy is a sort of misdirect, isn't it? It's Hans' brother, but yeah, she doesn't give a fuck. She doesn't give a fuck about that. She's just robbing bearer bonds or something from where all about the money. Jeremy Irons. Jeremy's iron. Yeah. Jeremy's Robocop three? Go on, what's which one's Robocop three? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Is that the one with the robot or the robot robots better? Is that the one with the drugs? And uh I think that's two. Yeah, right. Which one's in the third one? It's for the I think it's really bad, isn't it? It's terrible, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

I'm not sure I've ever seen that one to be honest. Another one that's really bad is Austin Power's gold member. Yeah. One that one of the greatest franchise of all time, yeah, but this is probably not its finest. Oh, this is gonna be Tokyo Drift, is it?

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

But I really like it, it's Tokyo Drift.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

That's the one where they completely abandon all the cast and relo and everything about it relocates.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

It's that guy who's in NCIS New Orleans, he's got the that sort of American Southern accent. Yeah. And he is an expat in Japan. Yeah, he's been shipped out, he does something fucking naughty, and he has to get bombed out of America. So he goes to Japan and he meets little Bow Wow. And the scene over there is not just about how fast you can go, yeah. How well you can drift. It's about how you can drift, exactly. So lots of going through multi-story car parks and they're perfect at it, and his car's like completely wrecked. All the neon. But then there is the guy in there who's supplying him with cars who who becomes Han, are you talking? Yeah, who dies and comes back.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Well, no, that he he doesn't think it's revealed that this is taken right at the end, so they have to keep coming up with like completely elaborate things to t to prove why this guy's still alive in the continuity of the film, even though he died in the third movie. Yeah. So yeah, there's that as well. Don't let that get in the way, don't go like uh uh a death. But I think I haven't seen the most recent one.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Is that the one that's about space? No, that was nine, which is great. Ten is not very good, I have to say.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Are we we're gonna do the uh the best tenths in one day? I mean, there won't be that many, but there'll be a few.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Uh well I looked this up earlier. You've got the King Kong movies, you've got what other franchises were there that had ten or something. Well James Bond. Yeah. And Star Wars, Star Wars. There was a there was some horror franchises that had some good numbers.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Yeah. Yeah, so the the last Fast and Furious X is a two-parter finale. And so there's eleven. Gal Gado is supposed to be back in the last one. She was absolutely definitely killed. Yeah. And they just bring him back somehow.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

So there's eleven movies in the ten part series of Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Well, and then you've got the one with Hobbson Shaw or whatever, which is one of the better ones. Right, after that I will probably just nominate. Okay. Alright, well, I'm gonna break the rules as well for that now.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Couple Alien 3, David Fincher, enraged the entire world by killing off Newton Hicks in the opening scene. So they died, they died on the way back to their home planet. He poochied them. And and he's just spent the rest of his life apologizing for it, basically, hasn't he? It's not that bad. It's just different, isn't it? It's the one where it's on a prison planet. With Charles Dance and they're all rapists and murderers and whatnot. Charles Dun, you already had that one. John Wick, chapter three, Parabellan. So good. Three and a half hours. If only they had put another hour in. Have you seen that one, Dan? No, I'm not sure. Strong recommend.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

Yeah, yeah, really good. I must have seen it, actually. Some point. But I don't I haven't watched them in order. It's done a year in that one, isn't it? Yeah. I haven't watched them in order.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

Back to the Future Part Three as well. Weakest of the trilogy, I think. Wasn't it Mike's favourite Western song?

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Yeah, absolutely. I was gonna mention that. I I quite like that. I watched that.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

I've seen it a lot, but it's probably the weakest of the trilogy, I think. But still a nine and a half out of ten. Yeah, and then it still has that thing where they keep playing where his mum or some ancestor kind of wants to fuck it. Yeah, which is good. And then just my nom, shall I go for that? Yes. Halloween three Season of the Witch. It's a crazy one. It's the one of the it's the only film in the franchise that does have nothing at all to do with Michael Myers and the iconic mask and the freed, you know, the shape as he terrorizes the people. This one no is about a Halloween mask manufacturer who's embedded fragments of Stonehenge into novelty masks and is planning to kill every child in America simultaneously on October the 31st, which I'm in fame uh a fan of and in favour of. It's really good. Well no, it's not really good, but it's worth watching just for the sheer craziness of its plot, and yeah, that's my favourite third.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Well it it's it's quite a tough one actually. I mean you've got the good, the bad, and the ugly. That was a pretty good one on the in the dollars trilogy. You've got the Cornetto trilogy that that was quite funny all the way through. But I think you've got Star Wars, it's like a set of threes.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Depending on wha how old you are. Yeah, I'm old enough. You'll think whichever.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

But I think Avengers Infinity War for was one that I'm gonna num because it I just getting a third, it that was the the third one, wasn't it? The Oh the third Avengers movie. Yeah, the third of it where there was like the You just had Avengers Age of Ultron, and then was it Infinity? Okay and and that one Infinity. There was also the Guardians of the Galaxy did as well, yeah. So that one. Yeah. We're in that world.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Yes, Brian Reynolds and Jessica Beale.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Yeah, and uh and Blade's been in sort of in the news, but Ma Herschel at Ali was being interviewed and he said, Yeah, they're definitely shit can that. Like it's completely gone, he's likely.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

He's gone a little bit further because he's basically said if they wanted to make it.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Well they said they've got billions and billions about so if they wanted if they wanted to make it, they would just make it. So But they even did a post-credit scene about it. They did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Eternals they obviously don't have a story, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Well, they don't think they had one for Doomsday most of them. That's I think gonna be fucking awful, isn't it? It's got it's it's it's a risk. Karate Kid Part Three, I remember really liking. And another one that I've seen probably way more than it deserves, is Ocean's 13. But I do always enjoy watching it. But I'm gonna actually nominate if you'll allow it's the third episode of a TV series. Okay. It's called this particular episode is called Zen or The Skills to Catch a Killer.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Ooh, is that in wait, that's the wire, is it, or the Soprano?

SPEAKER_01 25:28

No, it's something I know. No, Soprano's episode three was Denial, Anger, Acceptance. The wire was the buys. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

And what this one is just got a list of all of the top three. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

This is where Agent Cooper in the Red Room has his dream about who killed Laura Palmer with the dancing dwarf talking backwards and all the weird shit going on, and then he awakes.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

What was the name of the episode?

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Zen or Zen or the skill to catch a killer. And he awakes from his dream and he says, I know he phones up the police chief and says, I know who killed Laura Palmer. And you're like, fuck. When he gets to the next episode, he's like, I don't actually know, I need to interpret what the dream means. But the dream was really iconic because you were just watching this fucking completely mental fire-out stuff. Yeah. And then that's been obviously referenced a lot. Simpsons did it brilliantly in Who Shot Mr. Burns? So yeah, champions. I'm gonna change my number because I can.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

Well, because I was thinking actually, but like there's there's two others that that really stick out for me that I really enjoyed the the whole trilogy. The Rockies, obviously, you've got that's the Mr. T one. It is, yeah. That's not gonna be the one that and we didn't mention The Godfather, I think, or if we did, we're gonna mention it again or quickly just now. I know we mentioned it earlier, just talking about but Before Midnight, which is the the trilogy of Richard Link Later with Julie Deppey and Ethan Hawke, and I just think that was a lovely trilogy of films, and I followed that one through and that one came through it what 2013, I think.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

There's the three colours trilogy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 27:12

And there's a three colours trilogy as well. Never seen any of them. I'm gonna go for yeah, there's the three colours, red, white, and blue, isn't it? But before midnight. Nice. Nice. So we need two more thirds. Let's have them.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Army of darkness. Yes. Dan, I you've not seen this ever. No. No. Do you think it would be scary? No, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

I didn't because I I did um a little bit of research into it and I didn't get round to watching it, but it seemed more of the comedy.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Which is quite surprised. I have seen this movie numerous times. The Evil Dead 2 is up there in the conversation for best movies of all time, in my opinion. And the Evil Dead, the first Evil Dead is really good as well. And this was l like you say, a big transition out to It sort of does a catch-up in the first couple of minutes of this film. Yeah, they recreate several scenes from Evil Dead 2. But in the first one, it's like a much more bleak horror movie. Second one Tree Rape. Yeah, with Tree Rape and Ash is is just at the you know, he's just a real he's put through the ringer and it's quite horrible, sort of thing. In the second one, he becomes it there's still a lot of horror. This is one that really cleverly balances horror and comedy because there's still a lot of real fucking freaky shit, but there's also him the sort of slapstick butt of the jokes. And by the third one, he's almost like Jim Carey-esque, yeah, sort of buffoonery on screen. So yeah, the the movie open and oh, just to talk a little bit as well about the people who cut their teeth on this. Obviously, Sam Raimi doing it, but the cinematography was by Bill Pope, who obviously went on to do he had a big religious yeah, a big hat, massive hat. He was the cinematographer for The Matrix and work with Edgar Wright and all sorts of stuff. And you can obviously see as well Edgar Wright's influence from Sam Raimi, particularly in the editing from this stuff. And the score was contributed to by Danny Elfman. So, you know, as a little guy, wasn't he? Yeah, tiny, tiny guy. Yeah. So just some of the people, and there were many, many more who worked on this that were like d you know, in the industry.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Um we first see it like some hooves. Yeah. He's in chains, isn't he? Yeah, he's in the like this sort of stock thing being dragged around with some other prisoners, and he's doing a bit of a voiceover, and he says he thinks the year's 1300 CD or something like that, as far as he can work out.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

And he he recaps the events of the second movie, which include So they they read from the Necronomicon, the Book of the Dead, bound in human flesh, inked in human blood, and having several bizarre incantations in them that will resuscitate the dead. And they read from it in a cabin and the evil comes for him, and in the course of fighting them off, Ash has to chainsaw off his own hand when it becomes possessed. It's one of the great moments in cinema where he's screaming, Who's laughing now? as he's chainsawing his own hand off. And yeah, so he he ends up becoming sort of his journey in the second movie, he becomes almost this action hero by the end of it. And you do see some of the things that become cartoonish in this one where he like gets a chainsaw on his hand and all that sort of stuff. Anyway, they manage to kind of open up this portal to suck the evil away, but it's too powerful, and Ash ends up getting pulled back in time uh from the from the second movie into this place. So that explains why he's there. Yeah. And he's caught up with in this sort of civil war that's going on, in this battle for local territory with Lord Arthur and Duke Henry the Red, I think the guy's name is, and he's sort of caught in the middle of this stuff. And Arthur thinks he's part of the these men, and Henry doesn't go on.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

He's just worried about how badly he's gonna die because one of the prisoners is chucked down the the well. Yeah, they take him to this well. And just like comedy of like levels of blood spray out like he could it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

It's good because the camera starts to zoom in and it leaves it, there's not you just hear nothing for ages, and then suddenly this fountain of blood. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

So over the top.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

And then yeah, Ash is is thrown down there and forced to fight. But he's a little bit more from the second movie to this one, he's got way more moves and he kind of kicks this fucking.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

He's also had an encounter with this sort of local clericy type person.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Uh the wise man. Yeah. Yeah. He believes him to be prophesized as the man who'll be able to fetch the novel.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

The man who falls from the sky, yeah, will be the one to and he he has seen him literally just like fall out and land on the floor. So he starts to fight this deade. Well, it's because it's that guy that chucks the chainsaw down. Yeah, isn't it? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

He fights this deade, which is what happens they when the evil possesses you, you get you look all weird, you get white eyes, and you're a dead eye. So he's fighting this thing, and the guy throws down the chainsaw, chosen one, and he does this like dragon ball less punch up into the sky, and the chainsaw lands perfectly on his stump, and he brings it down. Hey she bitch, let's go. So that becomes part of his arm, then, does it? This kind of chain chainsaw arm. Yeah. So he fights that thing as these because these spikes are crushing in as well. He um chops up and it takes her hand and it just lands on this guy's face. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Yeah. So the hand goes, and then he gets he might you think he's like chopped her up or what in fact I think he has, it's the second one, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 32:38

He beheads her and then he chops up the real mutant one.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

Yeah. Is the one he's and he climbs back up and he's like, now they're all a bit in awe of him, obviously. And he gets some water and he starts to boss them around. You want some? He picks on the weediest guy there. I think he was the guy that was whipping him. It was.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

And then the chain guy, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

And then he's got his boomstick. That's this is amazing. They all start like there's a rabble, and then well, one comes up and he just pulls it, pulls out his shotgun, which had been confiscated previously, and he blows this thing apart. And obviously, the crowd in medieval times have not seen this is my boomstick.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

Shop Esmar.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

He tells them all about the features of the gun from the mall where he works from the supermarket where he works. And uh yeah, he calls them all primitive screwheads. So pretty much straight away now, he's gone from being the the whipped guy to being I mean, like grotesque. He's lying back, and the all these women are like feeding him grapes, and he's not got a chicken. He's the new leader, yeah. Yeah, and uh he's he's basically completely insufferable about it.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

And there's Sheila um who's like the princess or whatever, and she Her brother's just been killed in this battle, but they're telling Ash, you're gonna you're gonna be the one. Your quest is to go and find the Necronomicon.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

While she's sort of simultaneously hating him and falling in love with him. First, you want to kiss me, then you want to kill me. Blow. Yeah. As he says to her. So anyway, he because Ash is like completely self-interested and motivated, he learns that this getting the Necronomicon back is the path for him to return home. So the wise man's like, if you get the book, I'll send you back. So sends him off, they go to this path and the horses get all spooked. There's a few bits of comedy we don't need to bother with, but the horses get all spooked and won't go any further. And he's like, Right, when you go into that cemetery, only you can go there, chosen one. And you have to say these three words klatu, barada, nicktu. He's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the words. It's like, no, go on, repeat them. Klatu, barada, nicktu. No, I fucking know them, right? And then off he goes into the to go get it. He there's a brief stop via a windmill where like the evil chases him, and he ends up in this windmill where the evil's like pounding on the door. It's good, like proper horror stuff, and then it becomes just stupid comedy where he smashes this. Did you get to this part? He smashes the mirror and he sees all these tiny reflections of him, and it becomes like Gulliver or something, and these tiny little versions of him, and it was all done with like them standing in front of big screens and refilming, so it was all done in the viewfinder knot post, which is quite interesting. So, yeah, it manif basically at the end of it, all these tiny little guys, and it's really three Stooges-esque humour, him falling around and like gets his face on a stove and he's having to lever it off with like a sort of fish slice and that sort of thing. Like it's really silly. And the one of the they tie him, they knock him out, and one of the little guys jumps into his mouth, and it's so and he's pouring boiling water down, going, ah, who likes that, like boiling water, trying to kill him, and then the little guy suddenly like he gets a little itch on his this is all important, because he gets a little itch on his shoulder, and then he looks and there's a little cut and he sort of scratches it, and then there's just an eye looking out, and so suddenly this like new version, the completely full-sized ash, starts emerging out of him. It's really horrible, but sort of quite comedy special effects. They end up having a fight, and Ash dis this is like good ash versus bad ash, basically. Goody goody two shoes, goody goody two shoes, as he says to him. And he chops him up, he ends up fighting with him, chopping him up, and killing him. This guy will end up coming back as the leader of the dead when Ash now goes to go and get the books, and he has to go and there's three books, so there's a bit of jiggery pokery with that. But on the third one, when he picks it up, he's like, Oh yeah, I've got to say the magic words, claatu, barada, and then he's like, I know it begins with a nice moment. And then so he oh, it's just amazing. He's just like, Well, it's three words, begins with an N. Everybody knows that, right? He's like talking out, he's like, Clatou, barada, like he just does a sort of cough, takes the book, he's like, I said the words, it's all alright, and he fucks off back to the castle. But this unleashes an army of darkness, the titular army of darkness, led now by the sort of resuscitating. Couldn't remember that third word. Uh yeah. And so it becomes a sort of big action sequence finale set into the castle. It's an amazing bit where they get his car that's been confiscated at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Oh, yeah, because that went through the thing as well, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 37:14

Yeah, and they open up the boot and he's got he's got a copy of Fangoria in there, which is pretty cool. And then he's got three books. One is Chemistry 101, the second one is How to Build Your Own Steam Plant, and there's something else. So he ends up like making all these like weapons and he turns his car into a sort of helicopter-bladed tank. And there's a big like Ray Harryhausen-esque finale of of skeletons fighting against Ash, and eventually evil Ash is killed, and the guy gets holed over the Necronomicon, and blah blah blah, everything's put to bed. Then it gets to the end where there were two endings, if you watched it. In the UK and the original director's cut ending, he is given, he's like, Oh, I've got to get back to my old own time. And so the wise man's like, right, you have six drops of this stuff, and you'll sleep for a hundred years for each drop that you take of this, and you'll wake up back in your own time. Okay, not right sure how the maths works, whatever, but anyway. So he goes off to this cave, thanks. See you all later. One, two, three, four, five, five, six. So he does one too many drops and ends up in a horrible post-apocalyptic future where there's like a ruins of Big Ben for some reason as he comes out as well as other buildings. And then in the US release, he does five drops, six drops, he does end up going back to his own time, and he's in the S-Mart, yeah. Um, with Jane Fonda as his girlfriend, and he's recounting the story of so, yeah, I could have stayed to be their king, but I decided to come back here and work in the S-Mart, and everybody's a bit like, mmm, and then suddenly a deadite emerges and he fucking it's like a real Hollywood. He pulls out the the shotgun and he's like sliding along on a tray thing, shooting them. I prefer the other one where he finally fucks up once more time.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

But they got the alternate endings. That's the the second one we've done this week because we did mention on Close Encounters on the midweeker that alternate ending that Steven Spielberg made for Cl Encounters. But oh, interesting. So it's not so scary as in spoofy.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

It's it's almost parody, spoofy. I th I have a lot of affection for this, but I don't know that it's a terribly good movie, not in the same way that I genuinely believe Evil Dead 2 is a masterpiece. So where's like tonal shifts to be just really out and out comedic? It's like it's a spoof, pretty much, and that's quite yeah. And and this that then became the persona of Bruce Campbell and the Ash character into the TV series and the comics and all that sort of stuff afterwards when he wasn't like that to begin with. But this is where it all started. Although the recent Evil Deads have gone much more like I haven't seen any of those. Gory. Oh, I quite like them. I haven't seen the very most recent one, but yeah, the last couple of weeks from there. Yeah, I haven't seen that one yet, but I've seen all the others. They're very violent, so super structural. I started watching the series, I was quite enjoying it. Yeah, I watched that and my name is Bruce. Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

Is that good? My name is Bruce.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Yeah, I quite like that as well. But I do I d I like Bruce Campbell. I've got if Chins Could Kill was his biography upgrade. Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

I think you would like this, because it almost It does remind me a little bit of the Princess Bride in the setting. But chucking some Ray Harryhousen into that and some sort of comedy horror, you I think you'd actually get a kick out of this.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Oh, it's funny, man. I've I still laughed at it.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

It was the Roddy, Rowdy Roddy Piper one we watched The Thing. Is it The Thing Day Live?

SPEAKER_01 40:43

They Live They Live Did you see that someone had you know the meta glasses, yeah, the purvo glasses, but it's Kylie Jenner doing all the advertising for it. Someone had got one of the like bus shot yeah, it's on the side of the bus, and as you walked round, it went from Kylie Jenner to being a They Live poster, like Meta's always watching you. It's really good, really, really clever. That's good.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

Well, it gave me it gave me hints actually when you were talking about that of both They Live and I was also thinking of Princess Bride as well when you're talking about it. I think that's not a bad comparison.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

It doesn't look, you know. I was thinking when the princess arrived, it's like, God, it's you know and then the cast and stuff, like it's got the same sort of aesthetic as Princess Bride.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

I think they they did so I mean considering what the budget was, which I don't know, but it will not have been very much compared to what was on screen. Eleven million. Yeah, and I mean they have full-on massive battles in this. If you look really carefully, you can see the guys at the back, their costumes are fucking terrible and that sort of thing, but don't look at that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

No, right, get the stuff on It made nearly 22 million back, so decent. Double its money. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

If you're ever gonna watch an Evil Dead movie, watch Evil Dead too.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Yeah. But just watch them all.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

Yeah, all that.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Strong recommend them. Okay, right. I'll go and out and watch it. I'll go and do that now.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Another week in the can. Yeah. Yeah. Christian obviously hasn't been here this week.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

No, he's he's away and and Pete is still recovering from the pool party.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

So we had a fairly lively Saturday night. Um he's Pete's an athlete now, do you know that? He's doing he's doing he's taking up yoga.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

And he's also walking like 20 miles every week.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

Well, he's he's accepted a bet from a good friend of ours that he's gonna do the island walk.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

In Pete's favour, it's it's definitely in Pete's favour. So Pete alone in the wall, Paolo in his favour. They're both gonna do the island walk next year. Okay. Paolo is saying he'll give Pete eight hours and still beat him. Like, you fucking won't.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

Paolo's lost his mind. And what's the bet? How much for?

SPEAKER_01 42:51

To buy him a barbecue.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

Okay. Yeah, and maybe he just wants to buy him a barbecue.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Paolo's just betting that Pete's not gonna finish. Yeah. Yeah. That's basically what's gonna need to happen. But Pete, we've seen Pete get injured at walking football at warm up. There's every reason to believe he could just pick early and go eat.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

He's already started training for it.

SPEAKER_00 43:15

He's did a 20 mile last last last Thursday. So maybe we could injure Paolo if that happens. Yeah, I just quite like that. We we can see who as long as I get round uh invited round to Pete's barbecue. Their barbecue at some point, then that'll be fine. In fact, everyone's invited if you're a listener, you're invited to Pete's house for a barbecue.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

Anytime you like. Yeah. Someone's nom s next week's will figure all that stuff out, but for now, all that remains is to say sidey signing out. Reeds has left the building.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

And Dan has gone. Yeah.