Nov. 5, 2021

Paterson & Julie and the Phantoms

Paterson & Julie and the Phantoms
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Jim Jarmusch's PATERSON is not about legalised corruption at the hands of this disgraceful Tory government but is in fact a tone poem about a bus driver-poet by that name who lives in the city of Paterson, New Jersey. Paterson gets up at about the same time every day, eats his breakfast and walks to the bus depot where he works. He drives his shift, listens to the conversations happening around him then at lunch writes poetry in his notebook inspired by the works of his idol William Carlos Williams while sitting on a bench at his fortress of solitude, the Great Falls of the Passaic River. His evenings consist of eating some dubious dish concocted by his wife Laura whilst experiencing her latest artistic endeavour, being taken for a walk by Marvin, their pet bulldog and having a beer at Shades Bar where he chats to owner Doc who loses to himself at chess.
That's it, the whole movie. Essentially what I've written above is as big a deal as Sidey's horrible NO TIME TO DIE spoiler was and yet somehow this managed to be the most divisive movie we've reviewed on the podcast so far.
In retrospect there are more than a few clues that it might be. First is the general idea of the thing which might just set off some folks’ pretentious bullshit alarm too loudly to ignore. Then there is the admittedly slightly puzzling relationship between Paterson and Laura, who fulfils his role of muse but also requires plenty of indulgence or assistance, depending on how you see it (personally I didn't think a great deal about their relationship; it didn't necessarily feel authentic but was in keeping with the general resonance of the movie).
There's the 'nothing happens and it's all a bit boring' view, the first part being essentially true at least by common movie going standards and the second part being a valid subjective personal experience. I found there was always something interesting to look at or listen to: Adam Driver has an incredible face which is always compelling to look at. He's deliberately underacting against the backdrop of an already understated script, and we rarely experience emotion from Paterson other than dry amusement making him sometimes seem unknowable, and yet in his passion for poetry his everyman struggle for recognition and meaning feels true and real.
This one absolutely polarized us; Peter enraged both by the general navel gazing and whatever he was projecting on to the relationship between Paterson and his wife. Sidey fell asleep, Dan thought it might have gone over your head and no one knows what Reegs was talking about, least of all himself.
JULIE AND THE PHANTOMS sees the teen grunge band Sunset Curve dying after eating dodgy street food then somehow resurrected 25 years later when Julie Molina, a high school musician struggling to make music after the death of her mother, plays the bands CD. That's already the biggest plot hole right there; most thirteen-year-olds would sooner ignore it as a coaster than know how to physically install some media in order to listen to it. Anyway, with the teen band being 17 in 1995, this is expertly pitched to stimulate our collective nostalgia gland for the nihilistic grunge infused pop culture of the mid-90's which would have undoubtedly despised this cynical cash-in. This is actually well done, with at least two of the Dads enjoying the audacity and potential of the premise and admiring the talent of the leads.

Oh and there's a Top 5 Movie buses too, which might just be the best bit of the show.
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Reegs: Welcome to bad dads film review and welcome to you. Our loyal listeners and our first-time listeners and people who are barely listening or those who accidentally press play because they thought this was going to be about the series of books by David Walliams. But sadly not, this is in fact, a weekly podcast.

Co-hosted by Sidey Dan, Peter, Pete Teer,

Peter Andre

Dan: It's a strange pronunciation, but you've got it right.

Reegs: and myself rigs back from a week pony fondling in Dartmore. We're going to talk about movies and kids TV now chaps like most totally normal people in the world. I love. And what you can do with it. And what I have been doing with it is looking at our listeners not in an especially creepy way more out of sort of morbid curiosity.

See if you can understand a little bit more about who they are and let's be Frank without you guys were just some faceless men, howling our opinions into the. We reckon we've got at least about a hundred regular listeners, which is really quite something when you try to picture them all naked and you're in Maidenhead and Blackheath and Dublin and droid kid.

And you're in Darlington and Wesley, chapel, Florida, and Exeter and Barnet, or maybe you're in Sittingbourne or union city or San Jose or some Peter port. You were pleased by that Peter, where you Ashburn, Virginia, or is LinkedIn or Warsaw or Clovis New Mexico or Stockholm or Cairo or Johannesburg or Mexico city or Sydney or any of the other cool places you guys are all from all over the world.

And there are two things I've noticed that unite you all. And first, I don't think it's especially right to value people based on their physical appearance, but I must say you are very good looking bunch of people with excellent

Dan: that because you've stalked them through their windows and they've seen each and every one of them.

Reegs: And secondly, one thing you've been telling us loudly and clearly is that you don't give a shit about the free giveaways we're doing.

As we still currently have four copies of Cruella, five copies of Stillwater and a hundred thousand hours of Sidey reviewing crisps in his underwear that are unclaimed. But if you are a regular and you don't already abuse us on Twitter, why not email us at bad dad's Tell us what your favorite movie is.

Give us a ridiculous name for Dan to mangle. Something like that.

Sidey: I've got listener nomination for one of the things we're going to watch.

Reegs: Oh, that's nice.

Is that worth announcing now or no? Okay.


anyone want dad based news? Yes. Blippy is going to be a dad.

Hey yeah.

Sidey: Okay.

I hate, I really hate that show

really really hated That And other terrible news,

 poor patrol is back on, our regularly. It's worse

Yeah. Yeah. I thought we were well past


but it was fucking regular

Pete: Is it that, do you think it's the film that's reignited the

Sidey: going to say it

Pete: Oh,

Reegs: has it evolved

Sidey: Yeah. They're now super-powered

because of a meteorite.

Reegs: Okay. That makes sense. And what can they do?

Sidey: S Like

the same stuff as


but that pause glow. Yeah.

Pete: That's

Reegs: new toys to buy then

Sidey: Yeah. There was and there was, there was a, I watched one the other day that had two new pups in it. So there's a new twin pups. So you probably have to buy the toys together.

I hate it.

Dan: W N Nellie said to me that she's watched all the Simpsons now and I wouldn't put it pastor.

Sidey: Why would you why would you go past like series

Dan: a,

thousand. She just, the, I know they're there on all the time.

And I said, you couldn't have possibly watch them all. But whenever I put one on, she said, you have seen that one. I've

Sidey: I remember when we reviewed it and it was the worst thing we've ever done.

I don't want.

Dan: I watched a fucking fantastic or let it ride. It was the we did it was absolutely awesome. You know, it was, for some reason everybody's trolling me here and saying that it's not good, but

Pete: To find out why that's funny. Listen to our midweek convention episode.

Sidey: Pete, You must've watched, Oh, hang on. Let's talk 20 minutes, half an hour now. I've just sold it to

Pete: Right So I've, I've been, I've been watching fucking loads and loads of.

I watched I watched June the, the, the new one and the original. So I spoiled the second June, the proper one for myself. The, the original weird as fuck. And, but I did enjoy the the new one cause I,

Sidey: content in there

Pete: cause I, yeah, there is lots and lots of genes and we here in Jersey have some genes and I think that's where the film was, was shot.

Reegs: community.

Pete: Yeah. What else did I watch? I watched a sexy beast cause I'd never seen it. And it was inspired by the other midweek mentioned from, yeah, it was all right. It was a right. It was a bit, I didn't really kind of. Get it kind of, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Ben Kingsley is amazing. and then, and then it's inspired by that.

I went because I was racking my brains for a film that I'd seen. There was another, like British gangster in Spain film and it was the business with Danny Dyer.

Sidey: That was so close to me. My mid-week

Pete: I rewatched it. Oh yeah. I fucking got a soft

Sidey: yeah,

it's trash It's complete trash but they

Pete: I've watched that.

Sidey: nail, the eighties, ascetic in that

Pete: And then I went on a bit of a British gangster thing.

I watched the wrath of man

guy Richie this year, Jason Statham. It's a, it's a new guy, Richie Jay. It's the collaboration between those two guys for the first time in 16 years since revolver, which was a Turkey. I watched that and I might nominate it at some point, but I might not, I don't know.

Well, I have done is I am now on season two episode, 18 of twin peaks. I have complete. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in the midst of that. What I will say is this feels like it's just filling in, these are filler episodes waiting for a big crescendo to a finale

Sidey: Well what happened was

Pete: don't spoil it.

Sidey: no I'm gonna tell you the backstory is that David Lynch was never going to reveal who killed Laura Palmer and then they canceled the series a at the start of series two.

So he had to sort of change it around. So I don't know how tacked on the last, the post finding out who the killer is but is.

but it's great.

Pete: Yeah. Cause you find out who the killer is in. I think episode 10, which is fucking yeah. And it's kind of it's.

It's plateaued for me at the moment, but I'm really hoping it's building towards uh uh we've got, I've only got three, four episodes left, whatever it is.


Sidey: Mind when you watched the finale that that was the end, then that there was no follow on series. that was then. So when you

Pete: fucking series and genuinely rigs down, if you've not seen it or you're, you

Dan: not seen it, no one that I will get around

Pete: it is, it is brilliant. It's completely, it's the most genre bending thing. I think I've ever seen it. Just, it defies

Sidey: horror daytime soap, romance


Pete: But at no point, do you go like, you're not going, oh God, it, you jump on board with all of it.

It's done in such a good

Sidey: Having said that If you, if having recommended it and you started watching it, if you went, this is shit, I just because I'd be like, Yeah. totally get

Pete: Yeah. It's quite kitsch in parts. Um Oh my God. I watch her horn. She gives me the Audrey. Like you wouldn't believe

Sidey: anyway,

Pete: Yeah. What have you watched on

Sidey: nothing.

Reegs: Nothing really, but I wanted to contribute to last week's top five character names, because I thought that was such a great topic.

I don't know if we had any

Sidey: we had loads online.


Reegs: I had a few of my own. I wanted to submit if that was possible will Smith's character in after earth, which terrible was a cipher rage. But you could make a list out of just Jean-Claude van Damme ones. And I've got three of my favorites here, chance Boudreaux from hard target, Kurt Sloan from kickboxer and my absolute favorite Gibson Rickenbacker from cyborg. And I really want to put that in, if

Sidey: Telecaster

Pete: I made, I actually contributed on Twitter. Cause there was a couple of bond girls names, but plenty O'Toole was not named and that is a fucking winner, but go with rigs. Cause I know I get all upset and certainly if we don't

Sidey: Yeah, I think we only picked three last week

Pete: you're saying there's room for plenty.


Reegs: room for plenty of,

Sidey: we did also have a load of nominations online, so thank you for that. But I just can't remember They were, So there you go. That's professional with me,

Dan. I know you've worked really


really, really hard on these nominations for your top five this week. What was it?

Dan: It was the top buses in movies

Sidey: I mean we're talking hours hours and

hours. that you

Pete: Why did we change it up? And you just read off your 20 right now, then

Dan: well, okay. I could start as off certainly. I, I do realize that my first boss was actually an Airbus.

It's the it's the, the plane in romancing, the stone where they find the, you know, they huddle him for a night.

Pete: That's not an Airbus.

Dan: no, possibly not, but I try to wedge it in there because as you well know Miss, miss misunderstood myself. And and I didn't get it in there, but I'm going to this film. You might not have seen it.

It's it's it's quite a good one. It's about the bus. It doesn't, it can't slow down. And it's it's speed. So I'm going to start off with that because it is the elephant in the boss kind of playground, I guess. And everybody's seen it before. And when I say everybody, that's you out there, you've seen this film

Sidey: no to cruise control though

Dan: is no speed to

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: This was

Pete: Isn't it?

Reegs: No

stray son, Patrick, I think is, is the Keanu Reeves. Well,

Dan: Sandra bollix is in this, and she's one of the first kind of films that I'd seen her in that she was.

You know, famous for and Keanu obviously plays the king that is Keanu saving the world with the help of the bus drivers and all the passengers.

Reegs: well he's got Dennis Hopper.

He's good in

Dan: On the hopper bus.


Reegs: a great concept for a film. Of course, they used the 1966 general motors TDH.

Pete: three and


Dan: It's

Sidey: They did it did I mean, despite the buses age, at the time of filming, and even though Los Angeles transit companies and Santa Monica municipal bus lines, they'd started to shift to the RTS,

Dan: Well, what I really

Sidey: was familiar to the LA

Dan: And I think it's relevant to the film is a suspension in it because it works on two levels. You've got the bus suspension and you've got, yeah,

Pete: Creating

Dan: Yeah, exactly.

Pete: And going

Reegs: the um for the iconic jumping scenes, they actually used three groom in eight seventies. The last of which.

Pete: to the three,

Reegs: Yeah. And they sold the last of those two were sold for $30,000 a piece back in

Dan: which is a bargain actually.

Cause they're probably worth that

Pete: you know, but there'll be shot after that jump.

So yeah.

Reegs: So that's the movie speed though.

Pete: Can I just say Willem Defoe, even though I haven't seen it. He's in speed too. He's the bad guy. So fuck everyone.

Sidey: seen

Jason. Patrick is the Kiana replacement.

Dan: yeah, it comes down on off the green goblins kind of thing and

Pete: Okay. I'm going to start, this was a fucking real gem for me. I haven't seen this film. I didn't remember there being a bus scene in it. Star Trek.

Sidey: the

Pete: This is the voyage home. Yep. So this is the one. So they've yeah, they've got them found and resurrected spark and Spock still kind of like finding his feet, but they have to, in a really bizarre storyline, they have to travel back to 1986 to find some humpback whales, because that's the only way they can say the universe.

Dan: a humpback whale,

Pete: Thank

Reegs: There's a giant metal cylinder in space. That's going to destroy everything unless they get a

Pete: Unless they got a while to tell, to talk it down. Yeah. But the so as part of traveling back to 1986, they end up, so Kirk and Spock end up on a bus and which is why this is in the uh the, the top five bus moments.

Dan: liked this movie. It's one of my favorite actually of this

Pete: is it. Is it, does it fit in with the theory of the good, bad ones at odds and

Reegs: Yeah Yes, because wrath of calm was two. This one is four. in one in the first one, Kirk takes on God, doesn't it? Yeah. And he wins

Pete: Right? Understandable. Okay. So the bus scene is where spoken Kercher on the bus and there's because it's the ATS. You've got to put in some real life references for people. There's a punk sat on the bus and he's playing some like quite loud punk music and it's pissing Kirk off and it's pissing everyone else on the bus off.

Kirk asks him politely a couple of times. Would you mind turning your music down? The guy, cranks it up, gives him the middle finger. And then what you would want to happen is Spock just reaches across an Vulcan death pinches. The a, the punk guy turns his music over it, and then everyone on the bus gives them a standing ovation.


he does. Well, this is this. So I wanted to ask you a question cause it's called the Vulcan death grip. So did he kill that

Reegs: the nerve nerve pinch?

Pete: Is it I'm sure I've heard death grip. I've maybe I've added that bit oh, there we go.

Dan: I'm pretty sure he kills him.

Pete: so well. Yeah. But it's, that scene was inspired by a real life encounter for Lynn Leonard Nimoy, like exactly that happened.

Yes. Although he didn't Vulcan death pinch the fella, he just got pissed off with a guy on a bus playing his music really loud. That's why it was in the film.

Dan: Wow.

Sidey: Well, I really showed them Superman 1978.

What a great year.

He has to rescue some annoying kids from a school bus. So it's a school bus, the other standard sort of yellow, very iconic American school bus.

I found a thread online on the internet movie car database. where People were trying to surmise what kind of bus? This was someone positive that it was a 1961 Ford B series class school bus. Some someone said added a yes, and I think it has the word.


What are they talking about? Someone

no, this bus has the superior in capital's body with high headroom.

It is not award bus. It's very easy to tell. And someone then chimes in and says, but isn't the steering wheel from an international harvester,


which someone replies. It's very, obviously an old junk Frankenstein style school bus that the studio had lying around somewhere. Even in 1978, they would not have had a bus still being used without horn.

Dan: Th this is, this is a classic mistake. The studio is making, they do Franken kind

Sidey: Frank and


Reegs: you've noticed

this before

Dan: Yes. I have no classics.

Pete: Yes. If my

Reegs: There's a few in Superman because in Superman two, they throw a bus at him and man of steel. There's some sort of bus stuff as well, so,

Pete: Superman to its it's evil Lynn and Emile MAs throwing the bus at Superman with people on

Reegs: with

Pete: Fucking bastards.

Reegs: It's well, out of order I think the citizen Kane.

Being hit by a bus scenes is the final destination.

You've seen people hit by buses in movies before, but you didn't see this one coming. We must have sat and watched this like 2 trillion times just rewinding and watching the bird as she got splattered.

Um Yeah. Yeah,

yeah. It's great. Um the guys that I lived with, yeah, well, just us guys watching the horrible violence over and over again.

It's the survivor flight 180, you know the, yeah. You guys know enthusiasm for

this cause

Dan: I do like, I'll know I've seen this one and basically they, they come off a plane. One of them gets a premonition.

Reegs: Oh, if you've not seen it well, I'll nominate it at one point. It's a good one. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. It was a good one. And anyway, Def starts chasing them. And

Sidey: It just died really obscure weird wise.

Reegs: Yeah.

Pete: Do I need to watch

Dan: Watch out for the bus. You'll never see it coming. Never see it coming into the wild was a book I read and it's also a film. Jon Krakauer that is how you pronounce his name, but he wrote this book and it, it was based on the true story of a guy who went to Alaska.

I think we've mentioned it on the pod before.

Reegs: Chrisma candles Emil Hirsch. Yeah. Christopher muck candles, I think is the

Dan: And he, you know, ditches the modern life and goes into the wilds of Alaska to live off the land. And one of the the hideaways he's got, there is an old abandoned bus, which he tries to make home,

Reegs: it's actually a 1946, Alaska international harvester K

Dan: Well, okay.

Reegs: which is a, the ex

Sidey: I've got the coordinates where it was abandoned. You want that?

Dan: If we could have a little more detail on this, this would

Sidey: Well you can't because it was the Fairbank steady transit system bus 1


Reegs: that's right?

Sidey: there's there's a

website www dot friends of bus one, four, because They're trying to save it because it's been,


Dan: iconic

Reegs: historical

Sidey: suggest it's

Dan: It is. And it's actually used from time to time by hunters and gatherers and, and people that

Sidey: presumably you were talking about, the hunters and gatherers on the stampede trail near Denali national


Dan: exactly who I be talking about.

Pete: fucking hell.

I think, I think there's some bus facts in the room.

I've, I've got a couple of bus facts, only a couple because the rest were quite boring. So these two were interesting though. I'll give you one in 2008 magic Singh pulled a bus with his ear. How far do you think he

Dan: well, I, I don't work if it pulled it. I don't work in if he's pulled at less than 75 meters, we even talking about this

Pete: 6.1 meters with it, where there's is there's another one that we think we can be I'll leave. I'll leave. My other bus vote for later on. My next entry is a film that every it's almost becoming the one that I think I've mentioned the most in top fives, Napoleon dynamite, again, school bus, American iconic American school bus.

I think the opening scene and one of the earliest. He gets on the bus goes and sits at the back. Some kid just asked him, what are you going to do today in the podium? What are you going to do? So, and he's like, whatever, I feel like I want to do. Gosh. And then he gets his action figure on a bit of string and like throws it out the window and just drags it, but in the bus on the way to school.

And then there's another scene later on where he's waiting to get picked up. The bus pulls up, you'd sit, you see a farmer he's about to like execute a cow. And the bus, like the school bus pulls up. So it obscures your view from it. But then it shows inside the bus, you hear a big bang and all the kids on the school bus screaming, because they've just seen this guy shoot the cow, but brilliant fucking film.

A couple of buses in it.

Sidey: Oh. My favorite ever film, as we know is Forrest Gump and there's lots of bus content in that gym and he meets both his best mates. Bubba and Jenny on the bus


his whole story has been recounted as he waits our bus stop. God, that from his shit.

do you want a bus fat though?

Pete: Yeah.

Sidey: It's yours. The land speed record for

Pete: no cause I was really disappointed with that. I reckon we can break that as well. Yeah.

Sidey: know

Anyone that has a hazard a


Pete: This, is like a commercial bus or

Sidey: slight modification.

Pete: Oh, okay. Cause I cause the world record for a bus, like a commercial bus is like 79 miles an hour.

Sidey: This is marginally faster than that.

So anyone want to hazard a guess? I've got it in kilometers or miles per hour. So

Reegs: miles. I'll go for it. If it's done a ton.

Sidey: Well

Dan: I'm going to say it has done a ton. It's done 1 0 2 miles an hour.

Sidey: You're way off. Paul Stender a petrol head from the U S and his team of engineers modified a typical yellow American school bus, with a G E J 79 jet engines from a McDonnell Douglas F four Phantom

Uh So it set the fastest speed ever recorded by bus at 590

kilometers per hour, which translates to 367 miles per hour. For those

Dan: ticking along. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you've got the night in 20 feet, 4,000 series way, or then, you know, that'll help with the aerodynamics of, of any bus.

Reegs: Well, if you're open to TV shows, I've got the Simpsons and auto and just loads of different episodes that are really good that we should all talk about.

I mean, there's loads in there. Um

Dan: Character is any

Reegs: yeah, that's good.

not so good.

Pete: Have you got a particular favorite?

Reegs: Probably what's the one where it goes like Gilligan's island type thing.

Pete: I'll tell you what happened. So they're having a fruit race on the bus. So now Nelson Nelson challenges, but to a fruit race and the winner gets what's it Martin's. Nelson shells go orange, but let's go apple.

And then Ralph puts a banana on the floor, shouts go up and Nana, and then Milhouse rolls his grapefruit and it gets stuck under also his brake pedal in the, when he breaks the goat food juice, squirts, it is add burst and he crushes off a bridge.

Dan: I've done that in the car where someone just rolls onto the pedal

Pete: I fucking some, I told people at my last job that I didn't like pineapples and a policeman who I worked with, put a pineapple under my brake pedal in my car, a hundred percent.

Reegs: true.

So the Simpsons,

Pete: Sorry.

Dan: I've got another one that isn't speed and it isn't into the wild captain.

Fantastic. Did you watch this movie? Have you seen

Sidey: It's on my list of potential nominations

So I've held off watching it

Dan: so um

yeah, Vigo Morrison is a father of a string of kids who have all lived off the land in. Again, the forest in and on a bus and kind of just without all the trappings of modern life, I think something happens to the mother and they need to get into modern life.

And he's bought this rag tag of kids who are, who are fantastically educated in the real traditional way of educating children through books while then computers and everything. So they will super-intelligent notice stuff, but have no concept of what a hamburger is or anything like that in the, in the modern life.


Reegs: they're from Guernsey

Dan: like almost, almost not quite set that far back, but when they come in to, to real life they ride on a bus, which is really.

It's a good movie. You should check it out. Definitely. If it's on your watch list, push it up there. Cause it's, it's a

Pete: Okay, next, next bus. In fact, my, my final bus facts is the longest career as a bus driver.

It's it was a guy called Carl Fisher. He worked as a school bus driver in pleasant, hope, Missouri. You're going 72

Dan: going 72.

Pete: a bus driver career as a bus driver, 72 years,

Reegs: Oh 65.

Pete: and side.

Dan: to

Sidey: 80

Pete: So Riggs is taking it. It's actually 66 years. He

Dan: Did you say

Reegs: 65.

Pete: Yeah. So you'd obviously looked it up before, or you just knew this. Um Yeah, he began his career at the age of 16 in 1946 and retired in August, 2012. And I can't work out how old that was it all in all he covered more than 3 million kilometers.

On his bus routes. Not, not in one go. He yeah.

Yeah. Cole Fisher, God bless you. My next nomination is going to be for fucking brilliant film. The dark night and the opening of the film is this quite a clever heist scene where they're talking about the joker, they've got horrible clown masks on, and that they're, they're offering each other one by one, as they're going through the highest.

And it's just left with two guys. One of whom ends up, you know, you re reveals himself as the joker. So he kills all the guys that have helped him get the money. And one of the guys says to him at the end is that I suppose the joker told you to kill me. He's like, no, he told me to kill the bus driver and they're in the bank.

He's like what you're talking about. And a bus just reversed it through the wall and fucks him up and Zia, he then drives off on the bus. With all the money and he, like, he attaches a grenade to the bank, manager's mouth and drives out. But the grenade ends up being a smoke grenade because he's such a bloody joker.

That guy joking around, not a real grenade, just a smoke grenade. I mean, he shot him a few times already by then, but

Sidey: the bus pulls out and filters straight into a convoy of other school buses. but it didn't No one ever think like it's a bit weird. that It's just come out of a bank. And then if they're looking for a

Pete: no, I think he, yeah,

Sidey: school bus That's

Pete: a lot of resources, you know, he just, he set that up.

Sidey: nitpicking because that film is a 10 out of 10.

Pete: is brilliant.

Sidey: Yeah.


to, Rick Maraniss gets his, a full protein pack and Ghostbusters cost you went and asked to take the bus to go and.

Get to the scene of the crime And it's been driven by. Slimer but He has surely has no ability to what's that corporeal form.

Reegs: yeah, I, there ecto plasma can't they, they can't interact with.

Sidey: yeah.


I can

Dan: Well, because it's an articulated probably, you know, it was a, an ACS, M 3,300, then I'm sure Slimer would have had the,

Pete: more familiar

Dan: would be more familiar with the controls of that, because it was obviously a single deck and they, they came from Belarus originally.

Yeah. Which is where slime is from.

Sidey: Do you want to know when the first bus started operating?

Dan: Yes.

Pete: As

Sidey: Unanimous. Why don't you

just to make it a bit more interesting. I have a guest at the center.

Dan: Ooh. Okay. 15th.

Reegs: Ooh,

Pete: The second century BC?

Sidey: No,


Reegs: nice.

Sidey: Oh you were about to say 17,

Funny You would have been right.


Dan: Well I mean, that's the 16th century, isn't it? Why? I said,

Sidey: no, that's the

Dan: wow.

Sidey: It was a horse and carriage though. Not a traditional internal combustion. engine powered bus.

Pete: Definitely.

Technically a bus.

Reegs: Exactly

Sidey: Yes, it was.

Dan: stagecoach

Pete: probably before that a word bus had come about.

Sidey: Well, do you want to know the origin of the word, boss pay?

Because I can tell you that.

Yes, but do you know why it's the omnibus?

Pete: No,

Dan: because everybody's Omni on the, on the bus,

Sidey: pitch of the scene 1828

In-between Le Madeline and Labatt steel in Perry.

Dan: I was just a young man at the time

Sidey: the, This particular route terminating. Ah, ha shop in not called on omnibus.

And so they just took it from


Dan: said right now across the world we've

Reegs: are you going?

I'm going

Pete: So your bus that you said was in 16, something wasn't called a bus.

Sidey: No, it was probably called Austin cart,

Pete: but then, then

Sidey: but it was a fixed route where they paid a fair to go on that journey.

Pete: So there,


Sidey: but I nominate, somebody Ghostbusters too.

Reegs: Yeah. Good one.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: It terrified me as a kid going into blockbuster and seeing the poster for this movie. And then I saw the teaser for it as well. It was released in 1985 in the U S so I dunno when this would have been, I would have been a bit older.

It was a nightmare on Elm street to Freddy's revenge. And this was back before Freddy was a comedian in his movies and when he was actually sort of agenda.

Dan: when he was looking to come into your dreams at night,

Reegs: Yeah Well, in this one, he wanted to come into reality, which was a bit of a twist on it.

And then this one's also got this strong homoerotic subtext in it as well, which makes it a bit more interesting than your average one. And it's got a scene where Hey driver, that's my stop in the school bus, just barrels past it. And there's a freaky kid trying to open it. And then suddenly they're accelerating dangerously across the desert.

And it drops away as the sky turns red and black, and then they Teeter on a pillow made of rock. Has Freddy appears dragging his knives across the ceiling and it's pretty effective chilling stuff. And then sort of a similar one was do you, do you like an anthology? You ever watch an unfiltered.

Dan: Occasionally I do.

Reegs: I like a horror anthology. They're a mixed bag by their very nature. But one I liked was called trick or tricker treat and it's got Brian Cox, Anna Paquin, Dylan Baker some others. I really liked Brian Cox. You could probably say I love Cox to be honest, but one of the stories is the Halloween school bus massacre.

And it's this really horrible story where eight children with various mental health issues and disabilities are put on a school bus and their parents who were exhausted and embarrassed by them. We've come up with a plan to have them driven off a quarry into a lake it's absolutely horrendous. And the kids are dressed in the most terrifying Halloween costumes you've ever seen.

The premise is obviously really horrible. But you don't really see it, which is at least something you just see pumpkin's floating across the block. And then they come up the dead children come out the lake and shit ATS. Scary shit. Yeah. I like a horrendous.

Dan: Okay. Well this one's not a horror, but it is an absolute classic. I'm sure you've all seen it. This show in, I think on prime at the moment, a Bronx tale. I seen this movie fucking amazing.

So it Robert DeNiro plays an honest kind of guy who was a bus driver and his son has always looked up to him, but he's got to that age now where the gangsters in the street in the Bronx are becoming a little bit cooler than dad. Who's doing the honest job. And you've got Joe Peshy Chazz Palminteri Francis Capra.

There's a, there's a ton of people you would have seen in gangster movies and around. And it's just fantastic how he, that the sun is, is kind of conflicted between the, the two fathers in his life. Really one, the his father, Robert DeNiro and the honest guy, and then the head of the kind of crime family who runs the street and everything fantastic for really good.

Pete: I'm going to solve and you got two more. I might as well finish the finish up. Now the film eight mile is that like the bus has just used as in scenes, it's just him rabbit or M and M whatever, just getting on the bus, writing his lyrics.

It's got the the, like the title track eight mile, which is for me is stronger than fucking what the other one I've forgotten. Lose yourself. Yeah, fucking brilliant. And it's got like gaps in it because it's him, it's his, how he uses that time on his way to work, to kind of like put down his lyrics and he's just got like a scrapbook of ideas and stuff.

And it's a quite important in the in the film. And the last shout for me is of course the night bus from prisoner of Azkaban, which we've shown some love before.

Sidey: Lenny Henry

Pete: yeah, three and three quarter. Yeah, it's fucking great. Triple Decker with the chandelier. It,

Sidey: can sort of shape shift.

Pete: I think we should have all seen it, but I feel like you didn't watch the prisoner of Azkaban when I nominated it as the midweek mentioned.

Dan: I have seen it.

Pete: Oh, you did? Okay. Well, thanks for

Dan: I always watched the films when,


Sidey: There was, a band, a four piece knocking around a little while ago called the Beatles and they done a film called magical mystery tour it went on a tour yeah. for the mystery tour. That was, I don't know, you'll probably know this already rigs, but for the rest of us, it's the stun body 1959, Bedford Val Panorama elite bus with the license plate Euro 9 1 3 E which at the time was brand new

for the


the Fox of Hayes.

And the Beatles, licensed it from

them in


Dan: bus stuff.

Isn't it? I mean, there's going to be a few people where.

Sidey: probably not the strongest Beatles

Output, but

it's got some, it's got some good tracks in


I like the warriors is on

Pete: Definitely the bus bus related stuff.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely that

Reegs: I am. The walrus is terrible. The cat bus from my neighbor Totoro, that's gotta be in there

Pete: really?

Isn't it.

Reegs: Mrs. Doubtfire. There's a scene in there where the bus driver notices Robin Williams, hairy leg.

And he's like, oh, I like a natural woman, which is pretty horny swordfish. Did anybody see that one? The really stupid, yeah. Halle Berry's boobs. Johnny cordon had just switched it off. After that. He was like, it's about 25 minutes. And he was like, well, we've seen what we gave him up. But it's got a scene.

I think it's near the beginning where buses get lifted out the sky by helicopters, utterly, utterly stupid to fight, see any ones. We saw Shang Chi and that had a really kick-ass fight scene on a bus. And the camera's like oh, what's that a

Sidey: it was San Francisco. So

Reegs: Now? Let's say it was a bus. Cause it ties in with another one as well. So cause razor Fest, these fighting him and he S and the camera's moving in part of Marvel doing all their Kung Fu shit's rad.

And then we're a, was a Malaysian martial arts movie that I caught on Netflix. It's probably lazy to say that it's a bit like the raid, because this is Malaysian, but I think it's pretty much the only Malaysian movie I've ever seen, but it's got an unusual brother, sister fighting team dynamic and alongside like more established tropes, like the legendary underground Streetfighter returning to his hometown to get out, to get his family out of trouble.

But it's got a really great scene where they're fighting on a bus as it's moving and the camera's moving in and out, and it's all been done practically, and it's coming out the windows and people are being chucked out the windows and stuff.

Pete: Cool.

Reegs: So I would recommend that on netters.

Dan: cool. Well, I'm going to wrap up with the last couple I've got written down Shizam which is a superhero type movie.

Shizam guy saves the school bus when those typical yellow school buses that we mentioned Superman, save him before every superhero needs to save one of those school buses that at some point in his superhero world I've got some, a holiday cliff.

Sidey: and

Dan: I'm I'll I'll I'll save, I'll save you the song.

Super eight J J Abraham. Pretty sure. There's some bus content in there where they run off and hide in a bus at some stage. But midnight cowboy as we go into the, the last scene of that they're on the bus. And yeah, Hoffman with we avoid, yes, Jon Voight Angelina Jolie's father share that last scene

Reegs: And then Hoffman is also on a bus with what's her name at the end of the graduate,

Dan: Faye Dunaway. Is it? No, I'm Bancroft. Can't stay off a bus. He must have had an email said one of those all day tickets.

Reegs: He probably had in his contract. I must finish my scenes on a bus

Dan: makes him look taller

Pete: Nope, I'm done.

Sidey: I'll hit you up with one last bus fact. what is the longest bus?

route In the world

Dan: Oh, that would be somewhere big country

Reegs: America. Probably they do some big

Pete: Russia,

Sidey: Sydney America's

Pete: Peru is involved, isn't it?

Sidey: Between Lima, Peru, Rio did generic it's dubbed the trans

it's 2,600 kilometers long. and takes over a hundred hours to complete.

So there you go.

But buses, I've got the fugitive.

The train slams into it and allow.

Dan: the one

Sidey: to to run away.

And it's also taken off in the Simpsons, that it was really cool.

And almost famous has a couple of good moments on the bus, the tour bus that they're on. It's Cameron Crowe sort of autobiographical tale of his life. And at one point he's sort of

bummed out. He says, oh, I'm going to have to go home at some point. And penny lane system, no, you are home. And then they fuck. And then

they, there's a

better way, but the band aren't going on so well, and

they're all back there. Get back on the bus after having a Barney and we'll sort of start to get Paddy again. and Elton John's tiny dancer plays and It's really cool. I've got some others, but not as

Reegs: It's probably pick in time.

What if you what if you got Dan bus,

Dan: Well, okay. I will go into the wild, I'll go into the world.

I really liked that movie. And it's it's got a famous bus.

Pete: I'm going to go, I'm going to go dark night. Cause it's at the beginning of what is a fucking brilliant film.

Sidey: Just going back to the fugitive. Why I forgot to tell


was that had just called the corrections buses there, you know prisoner,


buses the remains of that one is still out there today.

It's located on the great smokey mountain railroad property. You have to stop at the office and sign a release form. If you want to go in to see it.

Reegs: oh if you're passing by that way, you just tweet us a picture of it.

Sidey: Yeah,

That would be cool. But film wise, I haven't got it in speed. We've got to have speed in

Dan: speed. Strong. I would say if you see a bus, just tweet, is that over the next week or so? Any bus would do

Reegs: Let's see what your bus is. Like, get your buses out,

Sidey: Yeah. It makes you, you mentioned The stats of where our listeners come from. We should have at least one bus from all of

those places.

Reegs: that'd be good.

Dan: I'd love to see detail on the bus. If you can get a rim, if you can get under the carriage there, if you can show me a bumper, that'd be nice.

Reegs: Yeah. He

Sidey: I've never seen an Australian bus. I think we should have, we should definitely get an Australian bus tweet.

Dan: That'd be amazing.

Reegs: I'm probably going to say the school bus scene in nightmare on Elm street. Cause it's so profoundly warped me as a youngster

Dan: and that's the 300 series as well. Isn't it? You bus freak.

Sidey: Just when you thought

you'd had enough bus

Pete: whoa that

Dan: we got some serious cheese to please.

Pete: We don't have a cheese jingle, but cheese to please I'm happy.

Sidey: Well, we've got a veritable selection a smokers boarder snacks. tonight.

Pete: Yeah. So Sid, why don't you start us off with what you brought to?

Sidey: I brought along while I've got some cake, some Halloween themed cake afterwards by also bought a couple of cheeses.

I've got a scent. Vernier Pasteurized cow's milk cheese from juror in France. I thought that juror was an island.

Dan: whiskey

Sidey: KLF bird, a million pounds, but it must be two places. Can you believe it? This is a soft and gooey with hints of fruit and wine. It's. a Washed rind cheese.

They washed it with white wine. which Seems like a waste.

Reegs: I

Dan: which one's that one point? That one out to me,

Sidey: the one in But a couple of things,

Reegs: looks like a flower. It looks like flower petals.

Sidey: It's decent

and it's

a It's

a medium strength. It's not too potent.

Reegs: really It's

Sidey: Well, it's three on the Waitrose strength.


Pete: they strengthened me too. I think only goes up to seven or eight though. It doesn't go all the way up to 10. So I think three is, is over

Sidey: as low.

well. Okay, well, I've got Moody's rosary Ash. This one is only clocks in it too on the string from me, sir. But it's fresh in and lemonade with a light airy texture.


Yeah, it's Ash coated in pizza ashtray, ham canned made by a small new forest.

dairy. It's a goat's milk pasteurized. I should say the


So any pregnant people amongst us are safe. Goat's milk, cheese from

a Southern England.

Pete: it's Really, the flavor is lovely that you get the lemon. It's a delicate but lovely flavor, but it's a bit too tacky for me in the mouth. I like the wetter, goats, Jesus, where like we've had the merit.

I've been spoiled by the marinaded goats, cheeses that we've had with. Yeah, the, isn't on the same, same level.

Dan: though. We've got a good selection. You did. You bring in

Pete: I brought a, quite a significant wedge of blue Dover, which has become a bit of a favorite of ours

Sidey: really


It's a nice accompaniment of Mrs. Pickle, pickled onion with Chile,

Pete: Chile,

Sidey: Mrs. Pecker port sounds like a sort of blatant

Pete: does indeed. Yeah. Yeah, probably.

Sidey: excelled us out

Pete: There's probably some, like, I dunno, like sexual undertones with that, where if it, where he needs concerned or some just flat out racism. But yeah. Mrs. Mrs.

Sidey: Pepper

Pete: pickled onions are a tour de force. It's

Reegs: time of year where I discover pickled onions. Again, like a God pickled onions are great and I eat them over Christmas and that, and then I forget about them for a bit

Sidey: from relish, where we get our Archie subscription, they do pickled onions in balsamic vinegar.

and a fucking


Pete: Let's

get some and bring.

So the, so the cheese party

Sidey: Yeah,

Pete: and it is that's, that's pretty much everything is that

Sidey: I just fakes from the garden.

Pete: oh yeah. Side is very infectious as well. So succulent.

Sidey: Yeah. But yes, getting back to our film content, it's yet more riveting bus content because he's a bus driver, Mr.


Dan: Ms. Patterson Patterson. So yeah, this is a film called Patterson. And I really like Jim , who's the director of this one and Adam driver, who is the main man.

And it's basically a film where we are going to spoil this so bad. I don't, when nothing really happens. It's one of those films where

Sidey: a week of a life of

Dan: it's the week in the life of a, a poetic. Bus driver who you kind of follow his life starting on Monday waking up in bed until he goes to bed Monday night after the pub, and then repeats that kind of day.

Basically I'm meeting slightly different people. We're having slightly different conversations and, and observing life in a, in a slightly different way. Um The end. Okay. So that was a short film

Pete: is not one.

I know we normally sort of walked through the plot. We have done,

we could not go into much greater detail because

Sidey: well there's a there's

a few sort of things that happened. He meets some gang members when he's out walking the dog and they sort of foreshadow that his is going to go

oh, that's a, that's a pedigree.

Reegs: dog.

Sidey: Yeah. So Careful, careful. homie. your dog's going to get dog. Jack Turla and he just leaves every night. He just leaves it outside. The pub where he goes and report it. And you're like, one of these days he's gonna, he's gonna come out and the dogs, cause there's gotta be some jeopardy. Something

And it's

no, that doesn't happen.

Dan: no, the bus does break down at one point. Yeah. But everything's okay.

Sidey: Just get another bus

Dan: just get picked up again. So it's a very sensitive, written and thoughtful film with, I think commanding performance of Adam driver. I think he's, he's fantastic in it. And it's just a bit like

that we

Pete: which,

Dan: which was rubbish, which was rubbish.

Well, this, this piece is on.

no, for being much, much better. I'm not saying this is up there. We'll let it ride. Or, you know, it's going to be one of the best films you've ever seen. But I'm, I'm saying that this piece is over. I'm a little Lilesa

Pete: the party with Anomalisa. There was a fucking point to it. Was it.

Dan: right?

Pete: It was, there was a very, it actually fucking that film that we reviewed.

And we're not going to go into detail about that for, but that, that film spoke to me in terms of, I actually have that condition where what it is. It's like people pet other parents at school pickup, all their faces are the fucking same. They are the same people. They are all boring and I don't want to get to know them.

And so I get that with Anomalisa. This didn't speak to me on any single level whatsoever,

Sidey: Ms Patterson

I should say

is very reserved.

Pete: never cleared up whether Patterson is his first name or his surname. He's just called Patterson

Yeah. The place is called Patterson.

Sidey: So He has this creative outlet of writing his poetry and his missus has a lot more get up and go. And she really wants to push him to try and get his work published out there, read by other people and for him, it's just for him.

And she has these sort of ideas about learning to play the guitar. She wants to become a star she's.

much more extrovert. Well, yes,

but she,

I don't know

Reegs: she's got these artsy flights of


Sidey: the more about

becoming famous or being successful Whereas his is just,

Reegs: not really, she's

Sidey: she does say that

Reegs: She does say that, but it's just a pipe dream.

Sidey: I know, but

Reegs: It's a,

Sidey: I'm just trying to like, you know, thinking about the film and what it's trying to say is that he, is it a comment on celebrity and like how I want to do something, and whereas he's just, I just want to create just for me. And it's just something that I enjoy doing. Because honestly

It makes you think it does make you


Pete: not a lot going on,

Sidey: that's the point though?

Pete: there's not a lot going on.

She's really fucking irritating. And there's, I mean, w w the, the, the, his P his performance, his acting is, he's a fantastic actor. And I was trying to work out because she constantly needs like praise and validation for like, the bullshit that she's coming up with all the time. Like that, that is the sort of person that would be so irritating to be with.

W w like everyday, she just like changes, tack on, on like what she wants to do. Yeah. Everything is black and white. Everything gets made back in white and she's like, okay, great. That's creative and everything. If you're into that sort of thing, but she needs him to, she's like, oh, look what I've done here.

And he, in every scene, he's almost like going like, oh yeah, no, I really liked that. But I don't know if that's meant to be in a way. I was, I was hoping at some point that he would just fucking flip and just go look, everything you do is complete bollocks. Like, just stop. You're fucking, you're not talented at anything you're terrible or it's all boring.


Dan: And it, it asked that question and there's a, there's a few moments where you wouldn't blame him.

Like he's had the day that he's had, or, you know, after the. down. No, they're not that bad, but he comes home and she's painted everything. Well, she's got a different dream. Like the first time it was a dream, she's going to be a cupcake maker the next day. She wants to be a big star in Nashville and he just kind of comes in.

He's very, even the whole way through. He's just very kind of, not really, not really down. He just kind of looks at stuff and looks at life in this kind of Zen kind

Pete: seems really unhappy.

Dan: while I don't think he is, I think

Pete: it looks like he's about to burst into tears in an almost every scene.

Dan: look at him and look at him differently to that.

Pete: maybe I'm projecting onto him, but

Dan: it he's. For me it was, it was one of those films. To be honest, I enjoyed the second half of the film more than I enjoyed

Pete: that.

Dan: first half of the film. It is really slow and it is kind of very thoughtful. But you and, and you you're right. You know, you will project your own feelings in your, what I would say onto that, because the film gives you lots of time to, to kind of think about what they're going to say.

Yeah, it gives you a week. You know, the it's just life, isn't, it, it goes through and the interaction interactions he has with the people around him, particularly his, his wife who he loves to pieces, but yes, like all lover, wives and relationships, you have, people are going to rubbish.


There's some times and irritate each other, but he just kind of handles it all and he's really supportive for, and then what he gets back in return from her then is this enthusiasm. She asked him back about his day and they just get on well, and they have a really nice day and

Pete: He does. He doesn't really sit, he doesn't want to open up. He doesn't really want to seem to talk about any of it.

Dan: he puts it down in his poetry. He he's right. He's got that outlet. I mean, the big moment really comes at the end where he, the dog eats the poetry book and has the reaction of him is just obviously disappointed. Obviously. He's well, he doesn't shout and scream because what good does it do?

Pete: but that's an unrealistic reaction. So that's like, if that's your life's work, if that's your passion and everything, like there's no way, like he doesn't even give it a fuck sake or anything.

He gives it.

That's quite sad.

Dan: he doesn't ramp up the emotions in, in a situation that wouldn't help to have ramped up emotions.

He just kind of takes it to. Right. Okay. That's happened. She can see disappointed. They talk about it. Do you want me to go out? Should I go out? I feel really bad. She takes it on. No, the dog's going out at one stage. He says, oh boy, back in from the garage. And he goes, no, that dog's going out. And she looks at it that way almost like I feel your anger, you know, I'm going to put that dog out.

I'm really. Pissed off about this. I know it's upset you. And then he goes out Disney for his walk and he meets this kind of other guy who just goes, aha. You know, it gives him this other notebook and he's a poet from Japan. Who's come to Patterson because there's a famous poet there called was it Charles, William, Charles, or William Charles Williams or something like that.

And his poetry,

Reegs: Carlos Williams,

Dan: William Carlos Williams. And his poetry is just about everyday life and things. I mean, I wrote a poem the other day I dig, he she digs, they dig, we.

It's not great, but you know, it's deep,

but there was nothing as good as this for you in this film. Was there, Pete, you didn't, I can see all over your face that it wasn't for you.

Pete: No, it's hard for me. Poetry is bullshit. It's pretentious. Bollix it's just, it's just saying things. And especially in this year, like, oh yeah, I could live with it. Get on board with a Limerick or something like that.

But when you just like, oh, there is a curtain and you put a space in.

Possibly one shouldn't be, and then it gets sorted and people go, oh, wow. Like it's, it all goes over my head. It's like art where not even as anything as controversial, you know, there's like some silly bitch, like gets a tampon and whacks it on a bit of paper.

And then like, and everyone goes like, oh my fucking God. That's like so good. Cause that's like a metaphor for like the rage. And so it's, it's not, it's just someone laughing at you for thinking that it's got any like depth in meaning or anything. And this wasn't even anywhere near as interesting as that it's like, poetry does fuck all for me.

Dan: because

Sidey: What's your take on this?

Reegs: I've slightly been watching completely different movie to me. I mean, just focusing so solely on that, but relationship that was just a small part.

Everything else that was not going on because there is, it's difficult to explain because it was satisfying to me, but there were only bits that you can recount, like when he walks past and he hears method, man, in the

Pete: lawn

Reegs: doing some lyrics or the dog, which is just amazing. Marvin is a character in the whole movie like it drags him off in different directions.

It leaves him outside the pub. You see, as part of the routine there's twins everywhere. It's just constantly in the background after she says it. The film itself is a poem and it's going to be pretentious to talk about it. And that's going to switch you off in some cases, obviously it did for you, Pete.

I don't know a lot about Jim Jr. Moosh, particularly, but,

Dan: he's done down by law, which was a filming in 86. He did ghost dog way at a samurai, which is a really great film coffee and cigarettes, which was like little vinegar sets of of movies and things.

He did broken flowers, which is a bill Murray one. He did a pattern. That's this one and a film.

  1. I haven't seen actually the dead don't die, but maybe that's one Pete is

Reegs: oh, it works that this

is like it's I think you can have like, quite a personal reaction to it.

And for me, this was just kind of about a guy who was doing his art for himself. And I didn't know whether it was any good or not. Cause I don't know that about poetry. So I felt the best poem in it was by the little girl

Dan: oh

Reegs: he kind of creeped the line from it. But yeah, it was sort of fascinating in a really mundane way.

And Adam, drivers' just an interesting guy to look at. He looks like a horse, but you know, he's just a huge guy with an interesting face and he barely acts in this and he's just listening to what's going on around him is the story of Patterson is being told. Yeah, I really liked this one. Yeah,

it was

Dan: Oh, did, oh

Reegs: yeah, I thought this was absolutely brilliant. The gun scene was a bit stupid in the


Pete: I took that as someone at some point, so that you better put something fucking in it. That's going to have some kind of light steaks or a change in tempo or whatever. And I was like, oh, he's pulled it.

I was waiting for. I could've lived with the rest of it. If something that you didn't see coming happen, if it come and fucking slapped you in the face, and it was like, oh, you fuck you, you, you had me.


Yeah. I thought something serious was going to happen. And nothing happened at all.

Even even the gun. And again, the, the jokes probably on me, because again, it's like a cap gun, it fires like little rubber pellets or whatever. And it's like, yeah. Oh, you you're fucking so shallow. Cause you expect there to be a gunshot in it or whatever, like fuck office. That's two over two hours of total wasted

Sidey: Well you could have done

like slept for 40 minutes in the middle, like I did.

Pete: Yeah. Do you want me to fill you in on the bit you missed?

Sidey: know I.

it got me thinking, which I think is what it's supposed to do. But it's, it's a completely neutral on purpose film with a few things that you remember, but It's a difficult one to articulate because I didn't, I didn't hate it.

I'm not, I'm not against it, but also I'm still thinking about what was it trying to tell me? What was that? what was the message on You know, there's an anchored meaning and then there's what you interpret from it. I don't know any of it, really.

Reegs: I don't think it matters though. Does it? Because, so I thought about like researching all of the stuff about, because there's, there's a whole load of backstory about William Carlos Williams, his Patterson's favorite poet who wrote a whole bunch of stuff about Patterson, New Jersey.

So there is a whole. Poetic thing going through it, but I just, I had like quite a personal reaction to it. Cause I saw things in it that spoke to me. I know that seems unbelievable to you to, but it did. It was about a man expressing his art in many ways. And and how the world, you know, noticing the world around him, inspired him to do that.

And he didn't do it for anyone but himself, which is a really incredible little story to be told in very mundane detail. And the dog is, was fucking, I honestly, we have not talked to, I don't like dogs that much, but this dog and the dog was called Nelly. And unfortunately she died but only after the shooting had wrapped, she would be nominated for best dog actor at Cannes in 2016.

This is true for her performance. She became the first Palm dog winner to receive the award posthumously.

Pete: After the D and dog

Reegs: it doesn't, but it could have been when I typed it out here that would have been better.

Sidey: really bad Those dogs they're really in bread and they had a lot of health issues.

Reegs: is that true or that sad because this was a really great character

Dan: find

Reegs: you're going to have, right.

You're either is great because we've got bored to death. Hated it, loved it, loved it, sort of

Pete: I

Dan: Really enjoyed it. I mean,

Pete: get for the life of me.

What, how you thought that this was interesting. You can't think it's exciting. It's impossible. How are you really into it? And yet you thought Anomalisa was boring. I just

Dan: Do you know, do you know what?

Well, Anomalisa had a lot of characters. I didn't like, and I had a lot of people and it suggested things on a theme that I didn't really connect with that, that much. And it wasn't something that I think you, you wanted to go out and enjoy. And like, those coaches were as these characters, I liked them, you know, and they were just normal.

Pete: you like his messages?

Dan: I liked his message.

Reegs: was kind

of his

Pete: irritating she's deliberately meant to be irritating, right?


Dan: Well, maybe

Reegs: No, you found her

Pete: like validation and like, oh, like if you just, you know, like,

Reegs: childlike but so is she so is he they're living this really simple life? It's she's childlike and he, so is he to some degree, but he's, you know, just mostly focused on his poetry.


Pete: but he seems inherently massively on her.

All the way through it. Like at any point in it, pretty much every scene, I thought he was going to just start crying about how fucking dull and dreary his life was about how he's stuck in this relationship where this

Reegs: chuckling on the

Pete: constantly there. It's like, oh, look, oh, look, you know, whatever. I made some cereal, this oh, fucking

Dan: laughing in the bar with his buddies and

Pete: He doesn't really laugh.

Dan: there was he did,

Pete: When does he laugh? I don't remember him

Dan: he lost at one point where well in the bar, there were,

Pete: the woman who's fella

Sidey: the guy with a gun. Yeah.

Dan: and they, they laugh about his his love woes there, the guy who brings out the gun eventually,

Sidey: Can we talk a bit more about the bus? Because he actually took his bus driver licensing.

Reegs: It was definitely him driving a few times.

Sidey: He went through the whole process of it's a very method of learning to drive the bus and passed his


to drive

the autumn auto bus


week before shooting started because he wanted it to look natural when he was driving the bus. So he did go through the whole rigmarole of blood is driving

Reegs: and they shoot the bus from interesting angles. They shoot Patterson from interesting.

Pete: wish they'd shot partisan.

Reegs: they do. And it's not just all awful. It's not

Pete: Right Well, I will say if I'm going to try and give it some, like, I, as much as I didn't like the film at all, or any of the characters, I didn't like his character. I could still, I like exactly what you're so mean. I could watch him all day. I could watch him act all day. Obviously he's acting, that's not him in real life.

He plays kind of like solid melancholy, really fucking well, but I've seen him in, in things where he's a little bit more upbeat as well. He's a brilliant fucking actor. Like, you know, in terms of, you know, delivery performance, you know, visually, everything like that I could have watched. I just wish I hadn't watched him in this.

Sidey: Did you see the photo of him on the,

On the shelf and his GAF and That's


foe He is he was a Marine.

Pete: Okay Yeah,

because he's, he's like obviously eludes to it when the guy does get the gun. Cause he's pretty nifty. He's off his bar stool and he's disarmed the feather in

Sidey: think he had some sort of like

PTSD. from coming back from.

Pete: Yeah. But he doesn't even elaborate on that.

It's just like, even when he's taught,

Reegs: it doesn't need to, it's not,

Dan: it's worth pointing out. Jim Jarmusch of often takes musicians into his films.

Pete: Yeah. A bit like

Dan: like I mentioned our, yeah, let it ride you, you could be walking around lucky and not even know it, Pete. That's what we've learned this week. And this film I really enjoyed, I, I thought it was you know, it, it does talk about life and poetry and things you wouldn't understand, but it.

That there is beauty, even in the, in the smallest of moments. And you can still you know, whether he got really angry at her for wanting to be the cupcake queen or because she suddenly decided she was gonna be a Nashville

Pete: he didn't get angry

Dan: No, he didn't because what's the point. Why, why not?

Pete: I'm not saying, I'm not saying he should, but like you say, so I didn't get it, stuff like this.

Dan: anyway, for me to finish my point before you, you, you go on, it's just, we, we watch you know, hear him go around and, and enjoy his week and

Pete: film

Dan: his, his life. I'm not going to go through the film again, but you know, it's it's beautiful. It's unique in its own kind of low key way.

It's. You're going to have to be in a certain mood in a, in a certain time, maybe a certain person to enjoy this movie is not going to be for everyone if you want. You need to stay awake. I think that's one of

Pete: them.

Dan: that which isn't tough if you're in the kind of mood where you don't need an action film to you know, spike, hear your thought process where something just very subtle and very every day can spark something that means a lot more than just a quick kind of shotgun.

Shitty film. I think this was really cleverly made it wasn't Jim Jami she's best film, but I still really enjoyed it.

Sidey: Well, they, They threw this together for a mere 5

million us


Dan: I mean, peanuts.

Sidey: but

Reegs: it was an Amazon

release I know it's that though I did notice it was an Amazon release, which can't be good for it.

Sidey: do

you think that it made money or not?

Dan: He's got a bit of a cult following. He's probably broke. Even

Sidey: Doubled up.

Dan: there you go.

Sidey: 10 mil

Dan: the money can't do, but

Pete: well

Dan: you give me five. I'll give you 10.

Pete: back then. It's doubled. It's like, for me, this is, this is the absolute, like dictionary definition of the word pretentious for me. This is, I personally like, you know, I, I speak to you guys all the time and I completely do respect your opinions and thoughts and feelings about things.

The very fact that Dan has just said to me, oh, like, just because it was over your head and everything. I think that this

Reegs: the best thing you can say to somebody

Pete: I think that this was made so that people would all just go. I bet the fellows at home go low ticket, thought that there was loads of reading of this and there will be people get, oh, well, so.

Oh, just like the way other ways that she did black and white stuff and like, oh, I know the way he just, you know, he just kept his cool when like the dog ate his book and stuff like that. It's just amazing. The definition of pretentiousness is looking for something that is thinking that there's something way beyond the actual, like value of something and it's, and that is what this was for me is pretentious bollocks.

Like poetry is for me, it's just people talking about something, but doing it in a way that they think they're doing in a really clever, unique way, but actually just fucking saying what you think is a far better way of doing it, rather than going all like round the houses and cloak and dagger. Like if you don't get it, then you're not as clever as I am.

That's what that film was saying to me. That's what you've just said to me as well. And

Dan: it's a solid eight.

Pete: out of a hundred.

Sidey: I start still, I think about it, you know, it was, it made me think.


Literally nothing happens so

to a degree for a film that I've watched, you know, and that is the point of it

Well, for me anyway. so then think about, the meaning of blah, blah, blah. I did fall asleep a little bit. I couldn't be bothered to go back and watch the bit that I missed.

I would find it difficult to recommend this to anyone to watch.

to be honest.

Dan: Yeah, fair enough. Well, I, I wouldn't recommend this to everyone, but if, if somebody who we, when we're talking about films seems to like these kind of movies and it doesn't necessarily have to be a big action film. There doesn't have to be, and it cause loves in it.

You know, there, there is you know, feelings beyond what the characters talk about is expressed through the acting and everything. Yeah, I, I really liked it. It's this kind of film that I watch late at night. And we'll just sit there and let it wash over me for a couple of hours. And it will help me to, you know, me help me not so much in, in this type of film.

I do that after late at night.

Reegs: but

Dan: but yeah, no, it's strong buck, strong bus action. And I liked poetry. So or at least I liked the poetry that I like, and I didn't think the poetry and this was particularly very good to be honest. It wasn't the kind of poetry that,

Reegs: I don't know whether I, I don't know whether I do like poetry or not, but I did like this film and it sounds like there's four different versions of this film that we watched it in this room.

And if you listen to it and maybe, maybe you, yeah,

Dan: easy for you to say,

Sidey: all watch it

Reegs: You should watch it. And then you will have, you know, your definition will be number five and that'll be equally. Right. Obviously. So yeah, let us, let us know your take on this weird film that got us all talking

Dan: we've got children's entertainment this week. Am I missing anything else out?

say entertainment. I mean, entertainment.

Sidey: Julie and the Phantoms.

Dan: Yeah,

This is big in, in our house. It's bigger than that.

Sidey: This was the sort of pilot, episode, which is a real treat cause it was 38 minutes long.

Dan: I didn't want you to miss out on the backstory as you inevitably work your way through this series with or without your children

Sidey: it starts off with, At performance by this band,

Reegs: sunset curve,

Dan: Hollywood,

Sidey: Yeah

Dan: and it's a band named sunset curve, performing theater. And it's a sound check that they're doing. And

Sidey: I mean, it couldn't be any more like nailed on the kind of immediate, like fucking hate.

Reegs: So it was sort of busted,

Sidey: Eve Yeah It was like a busted

McFly kind of

Reegs: What's that going in night? Cause this was 1995 and I, that was grungy. That was more proper.

Like this would have been a lot better if they'd

Sidey: Hanson and people around

Reegs: and

Sidey: I was, I was jealous of deaf people, when this was on. Cause this,


Dan: wow It wasn't, it wasn't like the music that I would turn to, but I wasn't at all offended by it. I was watching it with my

Sidey: you should be offended by it because it's the most soulless like

Dan: I

Sidey: committee driven money grab fucking awful anti-art shite.

Dan: Well, anyway, so we're, we're, we're just at the open now. And I can, I can sense that not everybody's enjoyed this quite as much as, as in my house.

Sidey: Well, the good news is that they die.

Pete: They

died a really funny

Dan: yeah. Yeah. They, they die after he in a hot dog

Pete: many questions about that. yeah. Like somebody's selling hotdogs his car boat.

dog No I've not, I've not. And they've obviously had them before and they know that they're

Sidey: got to stop doing this

Pete: Yeah. And then like you just see the, so it wasn't immediately obvious to me that they

Sidey: don't,

Pete: it just like,

Sidey: well, longer than it should have done to realize that they were going to be the Phantoms.

Dan: Yeah Yeah. It's

Reegs: whatever.

Sidey: Oh, really,

The First

time I went to New York it was pretty much, there was four of us, four lads, and we went to eat in a sort of not say Backstreet, but like side streets sort of diner. And we all ordered these burgers and there was two burgers on the plate for some reason.


that I was with they took one bite. I was like don't fancy that I'm fucking not, you're not so stupid me. I fucking worked the whole lot down and got fucking catastrophic food


and The whole trip was just a fucking write off.


Reegs: It's like one of those where you like passing out your bum and

Sidey: Yeah we had we, we did a helicopter trip and I sort of, I sort of tried to man up and go on that and cause it was four lads and the helicopter was doing all these fucking stunts and like pointing.

us into the

Hudson. I'm like,


Dan: well, you're then lucky that you, you didn't join a band called sunset curve and and die because that's what happens to them.

And then it kind of flips Y over to

Reegs: it's been so hard though isn't it? It's a bizarre set up. I mean, we can't just skip, skip over that.

It's a bizarre,


Dan: It's just a vaccine. Isn't it to, where did the fandoms come form? Who are they? What's

Pete: They die.

It's a fucking tragedy. It is a tragedy. I know, like, you know, into the meeting, but like, this is, I, you know, for, for young good looking guys, like all regardless of the type of music or whatever, they, I think that they must be the band. Those guys are there, they're there, they're playing the instruments and performing.

So like, they, they have, when I say talent and they've spent time learning how to sing and play instruments and so on. And they, they cut down and that there's an audience for that type of music, regardless of like, yeah. Yeah. And so what happened to the other guy? The one who went on flirting and didn't eat the

Sidey: he was vegan. So

Because he was vegan, He didn't

Pete: right. Okay. Does he come, but does he feature in the rest of the series?

Dan: He's actually bill fatter. His name is and he's um he he's yeah. He's he actually does lots for charity and he's a really nice guy.

Pete: okay. Yeah. I was kind of keen to find out what happened to him.

Reegs: what happens in this show though, is that we get a flash forward 25 years later to Julie who has post-traumatic stress over the death of her mother. And isn't able to perform

Dan: musically.

Reegs: musically yes.

In the uh

Dan: And when she's asked to in, in in music class at school so we, we then have the, the protagonist. So I guess we've got the Phantoms and we've gone to,

Sidey: she she reaches for the Necronomicon or something. and someone's them Somehow

Reegs: she puts their CD in and it summons them.

Dan: She's clearing out mom's attic and that's an emotional kind of period of time for their dad's wants to sell the house.

And something, yeah, there's

Sidey: to me as though I was saying got her. mother's the lucky one in this


list Of Jewish,

Dan: Of mother's rose. So she was helping the band originally do the sound check. That was the mother there. So.

Reegs: She was a groupie basically.

Dan: No, no. Cause they all they all died before they got to know each other so well, but she had the the CD and then played it and boom, the Phantoms appear and they

Pete: This was like their studio

25 years before. And so that's why they have been resurrected at that

Dan: that place.

Reegs: didn't understand Did they immediately like teleport from being dead to

Dan: They were in a kind of waiting room. If they talk about this, they were just, they went to that room for like 10 minutes. And they were talking about, are you quiet the whole time and

Reegs: for 25 years,

Dan: then he realizes it's been that long that he's been crying

Reegs: I'm 25 years see so lot going on.

Dan: there's a lot going

Sidey: like it was 25 years

Dan: And then well it appears that nobody can see the sunset curve, the band, the ghosts, apart from Julie,

Reegs: Yeah. But they can occasionally play their instruments that


Dan: be heard. Yeah. So,

Reegs: are a bit iffy in this.

Dan: it gets, as you go on to the series, then more happens and more

Reegs: oh, they

explain it

Dan: they explain a little bit more, I mean, this just the pilot, but it's, that's why it's got all this backstory in.

But as the, as the episodes come a little bit shorter and.

Sidey: bless



Dan: as this goes on,

Reegs: there's bonding over a connection to the past, through music.

Isn't there with the band and her, her connection to her mother and their connection to their big break they were going to get. And they, they talk about their love of music a lot in this

Dan: That's it? They're just so happy that they're back and they can be heard when they realize that actually you can hear our music still. So

they want to work with, yeah, we're going to have tons of it. I'm going to see if I can get, get it on vinyl the next time you're in it. Now we can spin it out.

Reegs: This big epic wake up. It's a kind of a Dell sort of style

Sidey: they do this thing

in this that I fucking hate. Right? So it's her a piano and she's playing in all these other industries, there's loads of drums and stuff where

the fuck

is all that coming from? I hate all that

Dan: Oh, well, yeah, no, even Nellie asked that she goes where, where the drums come from.

So yeah, even, even, well, that's what I was, you know, I just said, yeah, they, they try and get away with it, but you know, it's just the song.

Reegs: Oh what is wrong with you? People?

Dan: it's, it's you know, it's big in our house. We've watched it all now. I think, well,

Sidey: than that

Dan: watched three of them. So that's invested into this kind of show.

Reegs: Who would like a little bit of trivia? Alex, the drummer, he was in an episode of Henry danger. We all hated that. Didn't we? Jeremy Sharda, he played Reggie, who was the shirtless guy. He was transported and suddenly didn't have a shirt for some reason. He was in team America as the little French boy who sings for Jacka, inadvertently discovered the terrorist at the Eiffel tower.

That is genuinely a true

thing That's yeah. Yeah.

Dan: stars in this.

Reegs: I quite enjoyed

Dan: belt out a tune. Why at the end there she sings this song that they believe is, has been written by her mother. And you know, she can hold a tune. She's obviously

Reegs: she's a great

Dan: the, from the show school kind of, you know, talent

Pete: actress.

Reegs: this is pretty slim. I get the feeling there's probably better episodes to come. There was a lot the absurdity of the premise though. It just really, you


Pete: just sketch it over, like the, the horrible tragedies of like three young people being killed by

Sidey: That was my favorite bit.

Pete: she had a mustache. I've got a thing about like, kids was mustache is like, no, no, like

Dan: Well, as it, as it goes on, as it goes on, I'm pretty sure the band,

Pete: she gets electrolysis

Dan: and her, they team up and with her,

Pete: I didn't see that coming.

Dan: they can, they can, they can be seen, you know, they can be back again. So I dunno, wherever they're kind of in

Sidey: would have to culminate in some sort of performance where they're all because it's called

Reegs: spoiler alert, fucking house

Pete: Yeah.

Sidey: I will never know because I,

I will never watch another second. There's I

fucking hated it

Pete: watch it, but I did. I watched this after Patterson. And so this was some light relief. This was actually brought me back from like the, my, yeah. Yeah.

Dan: your patterns and blues. What about you?

well into this as well,

Reegs: well into it, but I thought this was well-made. I could see why people liked it. Everybody was pretty likable in it. I reckon it was a bit of an iffy, a bit of an iffy pilot, but I reckon there's scope to sort of expand on it.


Pete: sure the idea, the concept is, you know, it's kids TV at the end of the day.

And so I, I can see why kids would jump on board with

Reegs: as soon as we introduce them to the concept of death, the better as well. Isn't it


Dan: They're not, they're not trying

Pete: Yeah. They Ram it down. Your throat is right. See these three guys dead. This girl's mom dead. Like that's in the first 15 minutes is

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. It will get better from then now, you know, it's all about kind of moving on and

Sidey: I mean visually it did look good It production.

values were


Reegs: Oh, I just her dad was played by a guy called Carlos ponds.

Dan: See, it's just gets better and better. They

Reegs: man The facts.

Sidey: I I will, I will avoid this in

the future.

I have to say

Pete: I'm not going to watch any more, but I w I didn't hate it as much as a person. So

Dan: when I watched three before I gave up and I just kind of, you know, wasn't up for the four fifth binge-watch that my daughter was, but she, she zipped through this series. She really liked

Reegs: Yeah. I'll never watch any more of this, but yeah, it was pretty good.

Sidey: Right, Dan I make that a solid zero.

from three

Dan: three from three. And you know, it, I'm just, I think it's my strongest week.

Sidey: Do you want to know what we're watching for next week? Because after Judy and the Phantoms, you're going to be quite surprised what I've picked, kids were going to go for and correct me if you've done this before top five movie.


Dan: Okay Boyd

Sidey: don't think we have a midweek mentioned is the boondock saints.

Reegs: Ah,

Sidey: You see that one?

Reegs: no,

never seen it.

Sidey: call your man crush it. Willem Defoe main feature has gone

I think you've probably seen


I have

Dan: this at the cinema

Sidey: And our kids' choice is going to be high school, musical the series.

Some Disney plus

Reegs: take your episode

Sidey: Oh, we'll go right into the start.

Reegs: I might have to come around your storage that

Sidey: we can, we can double-team it.

Dan: I'm scared of the can of worms. This could open up if she's into Julian, the Phantoms, how bad is it going to get

Sidey: It was, it was a toss up between

high school musical or glee. Glee's 49 minutes long. And this is not so That's

why I went for this Okay,

Pete you can watch it as well.

If you'd like, I know you're not going to be with us next week.

Pete: Well,

Reegs: What's happening

Dan: He

Sidey: Jake I

Pete: on eating a hot dog, so

Dan: one of the Phantom.

Sidey: But that was cool. So we've got some giveaway stuff, but no one seems to give a fuck about


All that remains really is to say Sidey signing out,

Dan: Dan's gone.