April 2, 2026

Conspiracies & Sovereign

Conspiracies & Sovereign

It's conspiracies week at Bad Dads. All four dads — Sidey, Dan, Reegs and Cris — count down the Top Five Conspiracies before getting to Sovereign (2025), a devastating drama about a father and son in the Sovereign Citizen movement that made $63,000 at the box office and absolutely deserved better. In the Top Five: JFK — Oliver Stone's four-hour masterpiece of the grassy knoll, covered in fullAll the President's Men — Woodward, Bernstein, the paper that's now owned by BezosMichael Clayton — Cl...

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Season 28

It's conspiracies week at Bad Dads. All four dads — Sidey, Dan, Reegs and Cris — count down the Top Five Conspiracies before getting to Sovereign (2025), a devastating drama about a father and son in the Sovereign Citizen movement that made $63,000 at the box office and absolutely deserved better.

In the Top Five:

  • JFK — Oliver Stone's four-hour masterpiece of the grassy knoll, covered in full
  • All the President's Men — Woodward, Bernstein, the paper that's now owned by Bezos
  • Michael Clayton — Clooney, Tilda Swinton, Tom Wilkinson going off his meds
  • V for Vendetta — the graphic novel Alan Moore hated adapted by people he also hated
  • The Matrix/Moon Landing — Kubrick and the simulation, one or two topics
  • Zoolander — the fashion industry behind every political assassination for 200 years
  • Bubba Ho-Tep — Elvis, Black JFK, Egyptian mummy. Cris's nom. Correct.
  • Elvis vs Nixon — the real meeting, the badges, the conspiracy of what they said to each other
  • COINTELPRO — the real FBI programme that makes the conspiracy theories look tame
  • Sidey's friend's COVID/QAnon texts — read in full, genuinely extraordinary

Reegs' Conspiracy Quiz:

Real or made up? Finland, Denver Airport, Victorian tax avoidance, Tuskegee, government surveillance birds, and Wetherspoons underground tunnels.

On Sovereign:

  • Nick Offerman in an unexpected dramatic turn — really big and violent
  • Jacob Tremblay as Joe, the son, in what both Reegs and Dan consider career-best work
  • The Sovereign Citizen movement explained, and the real incident it's based on
  • Dennis Quaid as the sheriff whose son is killed
  • Martha Plimpton's brief appearance as a seminar devotee
  • Why Joe shoots the police: not madness, but inevitability
  • The baby at the end. You'll understand when you get there.

Verdict: Strong recommend all round. Heavy. Almost nobody saw it. One of those films.

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Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, the podcast that is to film criticism as a cup of polonium tea is to a business lunch.

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Put on your tinfoil hat and start following the birds back to their charging stations because we're here to count down the top five conspiracies, a segment that features more unsupported conclusions than the entire output of GB News and more things that don't add up than bat Dan's bar tab.

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We'll be questioning everything from the moon landing to the flat earth to the far more pressing mystery of why anyone continues to listen to this podcast.

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Our main feature this week is 2025 Sovereign, a solemn and devastating drama inspired by real events in which Nick Offerman plays a father, raising his son in the firm belief that the law doesn't apply to them, which turns out to be one of those beliefs that remains almost completely unchallenged right up until the moment it gets them both killed.

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Before we go completely off grid, it's important I tell you that the opin that the opinions on this podcast have not been approved by any government, intelligence agency, or shadowy global elite, though we do remain open to sponsorship opportunities.

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But if you are the sort of person who still trusts the official version of events, now is the time to return to your regularly scheduled programming.

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But for everyone else, it's time to meet this week's men who almost certainly appear at least on one government watch list, starting with Dan.

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He's so old he remembers when the Illuminati were just four blokes in a shed, with a dream and a triangle, and his fucks were classified, redacted, and quietly disappeared in circumstances that the coroner recorded as inconclusive.

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Good times, good times, yeah.

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And next up, beautiful Chris, a man so handsome, he's either proof that the simulation has a premium tier or evidence of a government prototype that escaped before they finished the personality.

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Unless there's at least one suspicious death in a cover up that goes all the way to the top, Chris dismisses it as mainstream media pro propaganda, which is either paranoid nonsense or nonsense or the most coherent film criticism we have on this podcast.

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That's me.

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Uh and doing his own research in third place, the man who told me the key to getting a source to open up is to know exactly where to apply pressure and for how long it's Sidey.

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Hello.

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And then there's me Riggs.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Hi, Sai.

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Hi.

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Yes?

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Or is it?

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Oh no, not necessarily.

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I like a conspiracy theory.

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Do you?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so do I.

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Do you?

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What what's your favourite kind of conspiracy theory?

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Uh I've got a few in a quiz later on, actually.

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So you can pick them from real or made up conspiracy theories.

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Oh, nice, I know.

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Nice one.

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Alright, well we'll save that one for later.

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Do you have any yourself, Sidey?

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Any particular go-tos that you just The Birds as Drones ones is a really is a really good one.

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Um we know someone.

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Yeah.

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I don't know that we should really like drop names because that's just mean, but someone did actually genuinely I think that's not less of a conspiracy.

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No, I was gonna say for me that's the one.

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These idiots with a flat earth.

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Well, there's the documentary where they they just get like it's this could be someone's nonsense, but you know, where they get completely like behind the curve.

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Yeah, but for me is uh like that that was that is the standard of conspiracy theory, absolute bollocks, that there's idiots out there that they've put so much time into try like effort, money, they quit their jobs to try to do this, and then it's such an obvious thing.

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It's just I don't even know why anyone's even uh can you imagine I I don't get it, so I I'm not gonna get annoyed.

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I just think it's just funny and what are they doing?

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Yeah.

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Well, should we get into the top five then?

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While the game's good.

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Well, I've got a joke, yeah.

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Well, it might not be a joke.

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Uh yeah, okay.

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Well, I think it probably is.

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Okay, well let's let's let's carry on then.

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Top five conspiracies then, Riggs.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Is it is a conspiracy that we might be getting through this quickly because the football's on?

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Because people are probably wondering how they walk in football.

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Uh that obviously goes without saying that we need an update on that.

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Yeah.

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It's not the best update.

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It's not the one that we wanted to bring.

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I was there to witness the game.

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It was not our best performance.

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Solid performance.

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It was it was solid enough, but we didn't get the result we wanted.

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We were playing we were joint top with this mob, but they played a game less, so we needed to beat them.

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I would say you played well until the last five minutes of the game.

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Well when I when I got subbed, yeah, probably.

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Yeah, the last five minutes of the game you could have lost the game, but you managed to draw it.

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You were gonna go.

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It was one-one, yeah.

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Well, in one hil down and then an equalizer from someone off the bench.

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Gomes.

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Gomes, yeah.

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Lionel came off the bench.

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And yeah, it wasn't the the way we wanted the.

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But we're still in it, we're still fighting for this.

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And I'll tell you something, I will love it.

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I would love it.

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I would love it.

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Love it if we beat them.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There's they they potentially may have had an eligible player.

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Oh well, their number two didn't look like a player, so they've very easily been.

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But that is just conspiracy theory at this stage.

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Okay.

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Um, so that's that's the update.

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One-one, still fighting for it.

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Still in it, still in it.

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Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar.

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You can't tell me that's just a coincidence.

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Very good.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I've got one about flat bread.

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Conspiracy theorists.

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About the flat bread?

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Yeah, they're the non-believers.

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Um there we go.

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JFK, Kevin Carson.

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Yeah.

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That was Ollie Stone.

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Yeah, Ollie Stone.

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It's it goes on for four days, this film, and it goes through every you know, grassy knoll and they showed it in the conspiracy, didn't they?

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Showed him getting his head blown off.

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They did, yeah.

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I mean, there's also the conspiracy theory that one of the CIA agents or FBI agents in the in a car behind actually shot him that it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald from uh said grassy knoll.

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Well, he had a lot of people.

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Doesn't JFK heavily lean into the second shooter?

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Is that is that the grassy knoll?

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Yeah.

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Obviously it's Lee Harvey Oswald, and then he was executed by I forget what.

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Jack Ruby.

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Yeah.

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Because, you know, he knew the truth, blah blah blah.

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So this isn't it's layered this one.

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It really is, isn't it?

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I mean, it's crazy times you think you know, a a president being shot.

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We could move on to Donald Dr J and his recent kind of shooting.

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A lot of people that one was fake.

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That that one it was just a uh I think Jesse Ventura is recently he did um he said that he didn't do it, but he he reckons I've seen enough of those like in wrestling.

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That's uh that's a blade job.

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A square you know, it was just a a kind of do that.

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Although some people did die in that shooting, didn't they?

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Yeah, the shooter.

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The shooter died, didn't they?

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No, and and somebody in the audience as well.

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No.

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Is that just conspiracy?

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I said that from the beginning, and I'm not even a conspiracy theorist.

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I thought there was fake.

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I thought there was a couple of people that died.

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We'd have to just the shooter, I believe.

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Just the shooter, just the shooter.

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Yeah, blame shooter McGavin.

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Shoot McGavin.

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Live on the dead guy, and that's it.

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So this was Costner in his pomp, really, and Oliver Stone probably making his most influential films.

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This was on his own.

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Self-indulgent though?

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It it did, you know, he I think he'd just come off maybe the doors and Apocalypse Now and no.

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He'd done the doors and he was, you know, sitting kind of in the But he's an anti-establishment kind of guy, isn't he?

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You know, so he likes pushing all these buttons and raising.

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So it was it, I think, a little overindulgent and um it was his generation as well.

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It was like the defining event of it as well, wasn't it?

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Yeah, then my dad says, Oh, I know I was when I heard you know when I heard about that and blah blah blah.

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Yeah, it was big obviously big news American president getting assassinated, big deal.

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Well, that's it.

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I think a lot of those now it does nowadays though it does seem a bit absurd that they would be like, hi, just in this big open top car, like driving around everywhere.

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Well, a lot of those moments that you think about where were you, they are conspiracy moments.

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You've got Princess Diana.

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I don't ever remember seeing a film on Princess Diana's.

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I'm sure they've done documentaries and mockumentaries and dramas and things, but you remember where you were when you heard that news.

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Well, you can see I saw one the other day where people they try and start them, and it was a very brief video clip of Princess Di, and it said you can see and this is this is her last ever video of her, and you can see in her eyes that she knows she's gonna be taken out.

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And it's it's complete misinformation.

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It was a video of her on one of her landmine tours speaking to a child who'd lost their legs, you know, from Daniel Landmine, and she was fucking offset because she's talking to a kid.

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And you know, people try and spin this into something where she knows she's about to begin like, fuck off.

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Yeah.

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Well, th this is how you know it can be manipulated in even more days.

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I mean, in you know, in it but in the next 18 months to two years it will be pretty much indistinguishable from I would think.

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I'll need to to s see you, feel you, touch you, smell you, and lick you before I know it's real.

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Okay, well you go.

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Well, start with licking and then we'll go Yeah, yeah, okay.

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Riggs?

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I'll go for another real lifey one then.

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We watched all the president's men.

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Oh we reviewed it for this pod, and it was brilliant.

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It was a cracker.

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Woodward and Bernstein.

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What were their names?

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I've completely forgotten Robert Redford.

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Robert Redford and Dustin Dustin Hoffman.

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Fantastic as the two journalists who bring down the Republican Party.

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That newspaper now owned by Bezos.

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Yeah.

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Completely gutted, like got rid of everyone.

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Everything's gonna go up to a billionaire eventually.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, the destruction of the free press is one of the But a great movie.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, not a lot else to say about it.

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We really f absolutely loved that as a character piece, as a way to convey lots of complicated plot, just in a really interesting way, and the tennis of Well, they have to drill into bookkeeping and stuff.

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Yeah.

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Well, you you do, but you know, just how things have changed now, obviously, with the age of computers and with the age of communications, security cameras and fortunately politicians just find it tougher and tougher to get away with this stuff now.

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Has anyone seen this is like more like a criminal conspiracy again.

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Yeah.

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Michael Clayton?

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Yes.

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Yeah, okay.

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Yeah, I like that like Clundog.

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Yeah, Clundog is good.

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Tilda Swinton and what's the the actor, Tom?

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He's losing his marbles.

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There's to stay in his meds, or he won't comply with the sort of 'cause they've essentially a little bit like another one, Aaron Brockovich, they've been pumping out chemicals which has caused harm to humans, deformities and all the rest of it.

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And Tom Actor, I can't remember the sound for him.

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Sydney Pollock.

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Tom Wilkinson.

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He goes off his meds and sort of tries basically gives the game away.

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I think he might actually be the partner of the law firm and who who won't he won't stay on on track with the with the case.

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They didn't pay him enough.

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And Clooney's Clooney's the sort of he's he's never quite made it uh to partner level as a lawyer, but he's a good fixer and he's sort of there trying to pull pull all the pieces together.

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And in the end they do get them to certain sort of caves.

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Not before they've tried to off him, they've put like burn up his car and stuff.

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But it's not it's not like a huge action set of pieces, it's just you know, it's the careful, it's like a steady-paced kind of like not even courtroom drama, just a sort of I don't know how to how you really like a drama, just an ordinary drama for clearly doing his thing, but proper acting, well directed.

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I really, really I always think about nominating this, but I think it's I haven't seen it, you've talked about it a few times.

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I love it.

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I thought it was one of his best uh yeah for sure.

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Yeah, he's really good.

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And the the cast is really good.

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Yeah, it's excellent.

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I have seen it, but I don't remember it very well.

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I like it, yeah, it's brilliant.

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And it's it's a fairly two hour, two hour and ten.

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It's a fairly long.

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I loved it, yeah.

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It's good.

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It's good.

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So yeah, Michael Clayton.

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It's almost second series for you.

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Yes, I know, I know.

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I tell you what, it's not second series, but I have nominated this song before for something else.

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For I can't there was something to do with the way they speak, but this is V for Vendetta, yeah.

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Where it depicts a conspiracy to David Ike style, isn't it?

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Uh Lizard people.

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What?

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V for Vendetta?

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No, oh sorry, no, you're Guy Fawkes one.

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Yeah, Guy Forks, yeah.

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I was gonna say what what's the one with is it that's V, isn't it?

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No, the actual series V.

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Yeah, it's V.

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Okay.

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Oh yeah, that was Lizard people, yeah.

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Sorry.

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Is that a conspiracy as well?

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Well no, they just live.

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They live among us.

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They live amongst us.

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Ah right, yeah, yeah, the lizard, like the Queen and that.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, the the the guy totalitarian government and he there's a conspiracy where they poisoned a school at some time, and this guy that survived some fire, he Yes, becomes V.

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Yeah, becomes V and he's out to kill everyone and he finds Eevee.

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Yeah.

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And I've got a graphic novel somewhere, that's pretty good.

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Eevee Bike.

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Uh so yeah, I can I can have that, right?

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Yeah, so you go in the movie.

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Yeah.

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And he I think he talks only in alliteration, doesn't he?

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There's one scene where he does, yeah.

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Um it's yeah, him and Ashley Portman.

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Yeah.

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I I really like that.

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I watch it.

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John Hurt, I think, is the big brother character in it, isn't he?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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James McTeague, but produced by the Wachowskis and has some of their sort of Matrix aesthetic to it as well.

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And in the tradition of Alan Moore adaptations, he fucking hates it.

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He fucking hates it, yeah.

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Matrix.

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I don't think you can have a conspiracy week without mentioning that we're living in a multiverse, a simulation simulation and all the rest of it.

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Yeah.

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There was also just coupled in with this one, but not related at all, so not really coupled in with it.

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It's the Moonlanding film.

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There was a recent one with Scarlet Johansson.

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She was the PR.

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That was that was if they didn't make it, it was to spin it, wasn't it?

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That's right, yeah.

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And who was that?

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Was it Francis Ford?

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Uh yeah, Chanum Tate Tatum, but was it Coppia Coppola who was said to No, Kubrick.

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Kubrick, Kubrick, who who was said to um have staged it.

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He was apparently the after 2001, he was approached and did film it, yeah, apparently, and then spent the rest of his career hiding references to it in his films like Danny wearing an Apollo 11 t-shirt in one of the movies and other things that if you stare at them hard enough, you can't.

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I just think of all the directors to pick, I'd have to be the one that would have faked him.

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Like, he would have fine of billionaires.

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It's just no.

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Yeah, right.

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I know, yeah.

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But yeah, um imagine him like to to like Buzz Aldrin.

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No, on the two under Cake of him getting off the step.

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No, one small no, no, no, no.

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Buzz Aldrin, if you ask him about it, he gets really pissy.

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Chiny.

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Yeah.

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Is he still with his Buzz?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Good on him.

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Yeah, so Matrix or Moonlandings.

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Nice.

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Do you want my quiz?

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Yes.

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It's it's a game where I read out a conspiracy theory and you have to tell me whether it's a real theory or that real people actually have made up and believe, or it's one that I've just made up right now.

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So question one Finland doesn't exist and never has.

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Is that a real one that people really believe, or is it made up one that Riggs believes?

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I I think it's a made up one that you think the Russians probably don't believe it, but I'm gonna go with it.

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This is a real one.

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According to believers, Finland is a fiction jointly invented by the Soviet Union and Japan in 1918 to allow Japanese fishing fleets to illegally draw the Baltic Sea.

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And then borders.

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So what we call Finland is actually just eastern Sweden, the Finnish people are actors, and Nokia is a front.

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This is a thing that people really believe.

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I think it's the it's also recently been described as the happiest place in the world.

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I've been there.

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Yeah, I've been there as well.

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But the it whether it doesn't matter with the borders or who do it, it the the landmass is there.

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No, it doesn't exist.

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It doesn't exist.

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Wow.

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Yeah, I didn't know that.

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Yeah, it's one that people believe.

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Question two.

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Denver airport is the global headquarters of the New World Order.

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Do people actually believe that?

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I've been to Denver Airport and I can confirm that.

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Is that why you were there?

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Well, if that I can't confirm.

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If you've been there, Dan, you will know that there are a genuinely disturbing set of murals depicting an apocalyptic genocide.

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A blue horse with glowing red eyes that killed its own sculptor when it fell on him during construction, and Masonic symbols embedded across the airport.

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So that is a real one that people do really believe.

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Well, I know that if you wander around the airport and collect people's trolleys and put them away, you get a quarter.

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Or you did back in those days.

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That was when a quarter could buy you not a lot.

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Brackerjack.

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Question three the Victorians invented children as a tax avoidance scheme.

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That is a false.

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Oh, is it?

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I was gonna say true, because that would have been a you know, you could see them writing off things like that and sending a few opportunity.

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How about I'll skip two?

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The US government ran a secret programme for decades in which they deliberately infected hundreds of black men with syphilis without their knowledge or consent and then withheld treatment to study the progression of the disease.

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That sadly is true.

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I couldn't believe that.

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Yeah.

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That is both a conspiracy theory that then turned out to be true, the Tuskegee syphilis study, which ran from 1932 to 1972.

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Is that what it was?

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I've heard of the Tuskegee experiment, but I didn't know that that was Is that what it was?

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Syphilis.

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It was ended when a whistleblower leaked it to the press and Clinton formally apologized in 1997.

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Jesus.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Number the seven, all birds in America are government surveillance drones.

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This is obviously a real one that people do believe.

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It was made up by Peter Mackindo in 2017 as a deliberate satire of conspiracy theories and as sadly.

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So these are snowballed now.

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Yeah.

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Perfect.

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It's actually the arguably the greatest ending to a story about conspiracy theories.

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I'm gonna say how stupid you would have.

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I actually have heard someone say this to me once, this bird conspiracy thing.

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So have we.

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The land of the and I I just couldn't believe my eyes that I heard that.

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Yeah, well, you wouldn't.

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I've got one more.

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It's every weatherspoons in Britain is connected by a network of underground tunnels built during the 80s for reasons that nobody at the company will discuss.

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No.

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You've you've made made that.

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There is, though, the weatherspoons thing that you I don't know if you post yourself on social media.

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Weatherspoons the game, and someone will they'll buy you a drink.

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So you've got that as well.

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How did I get that algorithm?

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And it had a little viral moment a little while ago, you know, a couple of years back where you've got to post a picture of yourself.

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You go and say like this weatherspin's.

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It's my birthday and I'm at Weatherspoons in fucking Wigan, and someone in like West Boratow would say sound, and they would like go, they would somehow contact that weatherspoon's and you'd get a drink center.

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Basically, right, have you ever heard of FinDom?

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Yes.

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Financial domination.

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It's not even it's like a sex relationship.

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You just give your money.

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All you're doing is giving somebody money and that's the thing that gets you.

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Oh right.

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Yeah.

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It's that for being married people on Facebook.

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Yeah.

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It's that for people on Facebook, isn't it?

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Because if you're a chick, you just go onto this weatherspoons and you're like, oh, it's my birthday, you can send me a drink.

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But if you're you know a 14-year-old man.

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Uh right, some other ones.

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I've got some secret society stuff, yeah.

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Eyes wide shut.

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We mentioned that it's a little bit sort of featured in the conspiracy uh in a way.

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Less sexy though.

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Well, there's a bit to that as well, isn't there?

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Because he died just after it was Well, Kubrick.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Is his last feature.

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And then they did some editing to it and took bits out and all sorts of stuff, and yeah.

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I mean, it's certainly not his best work.

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And the Da Vinci code, obviously.

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Yeah.

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PowerPoint the movie.

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Yeah, I still quite like that movie.

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Even though it's got Tom Hanks in it.

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I I like the book, really kind of enjoyment stuff.

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Holidays.

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There's a bit where they get saved by a pigeon, which is great.

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And then Freemasons, people like to think of those as being somehow bobbed and stuff.

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They're sort of talked about in the same breath as Jack the Ripper.

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But he was a Freemason.

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Yeah, possibly you're a member of the Royal Family.

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He was a surgeon, wasn't he?

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That was the Well, no, I mean, literally no one knows, but the theories, those are the theories that people put about.

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And that movie was uh from hell.

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So if you want the movie, tie in.

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Then I'm uh well I'll I've got a couple of others then on.

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Uh John Wick.

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John Dick.

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There's a conspiracy that there's all these the high table and there's all these uh shadowy elites.

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Yeah, the shadowy again, shadowy elites of all that people pulling the strings.

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Kamora, then Drageta, the Russian mafia, the triads, the all the the the Yakuza, all the I don't know, whatever mafia families or whatever underground criminal people have ever heard.

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Of they are all at a table and they run the underground world from the continentals, and you have coins and I don't know, all sorts of shit happening.

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So I think that's a nice conspiracy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, to to say if that's okay.

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It it's more than okay.

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I had also the Truman Show down there, which is actually a really good film.

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Right, fucking movie.

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It's it's I don't see ya.

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Just super.

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We mentioned They Live, which was reviewed for the pod here.

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Had stage 100, 200.

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May have been uh 300?

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A big a big one.

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Yeah.

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And when Rowdy Roddy Piper puts on his his sunglasses, he can see that they're being told to obey.

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They they live among us.

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My nom, I'm gonna have Elvis versus Nixon.

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I don't know if anybody's ever heard of the conspiracy about Elvis in a cage fight.

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That he's dead, he's not, obviously.

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And this was one about Elvis and his his interest in badges.

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Badges badges.

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Let's you know, let's not sully him.

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And it was he he collected badges and he went to Nixon and he said that he'd love like a diplomatic badge, you know, so he could just wander through passport control and and customs and things without a worry in the world because he was the king.

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Not these days, he was draft dodger.

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No, he went in.

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He went in, he did his he did his he did his service.

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He did it in Germany, didn't he?

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He was entertaining the troops and everything, and then came back at a hero, had his hair cut and all sorts, but thank you very much.

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Is that your norm?

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That's my nom.

00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:41.599
Nice.

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Well, just a couple before my norm, I just wanted to stop and talk about the Simpsons for a minute because they love a conspiracy theory and started a few.

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Obviously, they have their own version of the Freemasons, which is the Stone Cutters.

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The British Crown keeps who keeps uh who controls the British Crown keeps the metric system down.

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Who made Steve Gutenberg stuff?

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And then they stop for that and say, right, let's get drunk and have ribs.

00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.720
Yeah.

00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:14.559
In Brothers Little Helper, Bart on Rittlin discovers that Major League Baseball has been conducting mass surveillance on the American public in the computer war menace shoes.

00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:19.359
A shadowy cabal is spiking flu vaccines to boost Christmas shopping sales.

00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:24.240
A secret colony of superpowered elves run their influence through horse racing.

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Every time an Al Gore book is scanned at a bookstore, it sends a coded message directly to the Pentagon who tell him it's got a sale.

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All of those were in The Simpsons.

00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:36.960
But my choice is going to be Zoolander.

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Seen Zoolander?

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Yes.

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The ones with the models.

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The fashion industry has been behind every major political assassination for 200 years.

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John Wilkes Booth was the first actor/slash model.

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JFK was killed because his Cuban trade embargo blocked the import of Sansa Belt slacks.

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Lincoln was killed because ending slavery made cotton more expensive.

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It's all been related to the fashion industry.

00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:00.720
Yeah.

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Wow.

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I I believe it.

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Yeah.

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Makes sense, yeah.

00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:05.680
A couple of music ones.

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Muse, Matt Bellamy from Muse, is really into conspiracy theories and they're almost their entire discography.

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They've got a new one out.

00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:18.319
The Second Law, the Resistance and Absolution are concept albums steeped in New World Order and Orwellian surveillance type.

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Themes, Chemtrails Over the Country Club by Lana Del Rey.

00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:22.000
Yeah.

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Your pal.

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Chemtrails is a favourite of conspiracy nuts.

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There was in that uh thing we did the midweek, the con the conspiracy.

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There was chemtrails in that.

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Did they talk about that, did they?

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There was everything in it.

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Yeah, they were they had everything in it.

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And then if you could sort of dive into the hip-hop music, Public Enemy, NWA, they would talk about this sort of stuff, having their phones tapped and all this sort of stuff.

00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:48.960
And it turns out there was a real thing, Co Intel Pro Counterintelligence Programme.

00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:58.480
It was a covert FBI programme, ran from 56 to 71, designed to surveil, infiltrate, discredit, and destroy political organisations that the FBI deemed subversive.

00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:11.119
So they targeted specifically the Black Panther Party, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Socialist Workers Party, American Indian Movement, the Communist Party, Puerto Rican Independence Movement, the Women's Liberation Movement, and various anti-Book.

00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:12.480
The Judean Liberation.

00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:14.400
The Judean People's Front.

00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:23.359
So they would they would like actually put plants, infiltrate these groups and um forge letters, tip-offs, blackmail people.

00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:24.960
Pretty fucking grim stuff.

00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:34.880
Would you expect I don't know, the government to infiltrate, I don't know, subversive groups but do they not infiltrate the Kuk's Klan?

00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:43.839
Or they did also target the they did target the the Bizarrely, the K the KKK was also targeted, though not both far less aggressively than all those other ones.

00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.000
We watched that movie about them setting up the KKK Black Klansmen, that was quite good.

00:26:48.319 --> 00:27:02.880
But my NOM, I'm gonna get a bit off piste here, it's actually a real one that a friend of mine who I won't name because this is genuine, during so a lot of the stuff like escalated, accelerated through COVID.

00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:04.079
A lot, yeah.

00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:12.480
And a friend of mine, he really f went hard on conspiracy theories, and he would send me 10-hour long videos of stuff that may have a look at this.

00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:16.880
And I said, I go, I'm not I'm not interested anyway, but I'm not gonna watch a fucking 10-hour long video.

00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:17.200
No.

00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:20.240
Then he sent me one that was look up this guy, what's he called him?

00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:21.680
Just put the name of it.

00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:25.920
Oh anyway, XYZ blah on TikTok and let me know what you think.

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:31.119
And I went back and went, Well, it's some guy doing the impersonation of Robin Williams, like Robin Williams was dead at this point.

00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:32.720
And he's like, Is it though?

00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:33.680
Let's use our critical.

00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:34.960
Oh my god, it's like him earlier.

00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.839
Let's use our critical thinking hats and go and do this, blah, blah, blah.

00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:39.039
Honestly, that's what he says.

00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.160
And then and I put, what is it?

00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.880
Like some fucking global cabal bullshit, Pizzagate.

00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:46.240
And he put, so you do know.

00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:47.359
Honestly, that's what's for.

00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:57.519
And then the thing about QAnon, though, you did make right Pizzagate and all that, is it turns out there was a global elite of paedophiles doing shit on a horrendous shit.

00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:13.279
And actually, if you were minded to think of things as a conspiracy, you might think that somebody making up a QAnon style thing that talks about adrenochrome and sensationalizes all that other stuff may have been trying to master the fact that there actually fucking was a paedophile really.

00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.759
And the reason that there is a name for someone who's into fucking kids is because it exists.

00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:18.079
Right.

00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.480
And I I just said, look, mate, I don't buy any of it.

00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:21.680
And he put, yeah, totally.

00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:22.559
It's so unbelievable.

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:22.960
Right.

00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:24.000
Or is it?

00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.759
This thing extends far and wide, literally entire planet.

00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:42.240
I've seen underground dums, I don't know what he means, dums with electromagnetic trains, maglevs that do 17,000 miles per hour, taking the elites from the UK to the USA in 40 to 60 mins, seeing their geographical locations with longitudes and latitudes.

00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:48.480
They run the entire continent through Vatican, etc., and the Alliance have been taking them out there, used for nefarious purposes.

00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:56.240
When you search the global web for earthquakes around the world and congregate where hundreds have been happening weekly, they're all tracked around 10 kilometres deep, not coincidence.

00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.119
COVID isn't a virus pandemic, it's a bioweapon.

00:28:59.279 --> 00:28:59.440
Okay.

00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:06.640
But Alliance hijacked it and have been using this lockdown time where folk are inside safe to round up all the elites involved.

00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:16.000
That's why you see hidden comms with so many slips wearing ankle boots, claiming ankle injury, but really hiding a tag because they are under arrest, Obama, Clinton, Biden, etc.

00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:17.519
Yeah, mate, it's hard to swallow.

00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:26.640
Soon humanity won't have a choice, but to hear direct from the military, and what will help will be these people who seem to have died, but actually haven't and come out to expose things.

00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:33.359
Biggest thing ever to happen to humanity, and we're alive to witness it, but there's an amazing silver lining coming, bro, with a like prayer hands thing.

00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.000
I was like, I just went back and foot, I I literally don't know what to say.

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:37.039
Yeah.

00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:38.720
There was a lot in there, wasn't there?

00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.759
Because there was from one to another, it's just liberation.

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:42.160
Yeah.

00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.640
It's like so many of them pieced together into one thing.

00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.279
So the Vatican is a train station, then basically, is that what he was saying?

00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:50.319
For it's a amazing.

00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.039
He didn't say where it left from, but he did say that it went to the room.

00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:54.480
All rolls lead to Rome, right?

00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.000
17,000 miles an hour.

00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.359
Does this mean Harry Potter's real?

00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.160
That that that kind of I mean, anything's possible.

00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:02.799
Well he is.

00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:03.920
He definitely is real.

00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:15.599
Yeah, you can as as we showed in our midweek, you know, uh patterns can be seen anywhere if you look long enough at uh a wall and some newspaper articles and shape and stuff.

00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.200
That's my number, but it's also quite sad because his guy's clearly like mosquito a little bit.

00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:22.960
Let's hope that they can they can scrape scrape people.

00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:37.039
I've got one that I wanted to say Sanchez is commonly known as Carlos the Jackal, and he is an actual person who has can do conducted a series of assassinations and terrorist bombings between 1973 and 1985.

00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:42.160
He's on the cover of Black Great's debut album, It's Great When You're Straight, yeah.

00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.119
There you go.

00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.160
That and he has been portrayed in a few movies.

00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:54.720
Obviously, all of it is a conspiracy as to who made him do all that and was he working for the government, was he working for the government of Venezuela?

00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.079
He's a Venezuelan citizen.

00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.119
Was he working for Chile?

00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:58.400
Was he working for the Americans?

00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:00.000
Was he working for the Russians?

00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:00.880
All that.

00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:02.640
And he's been even Bruce Willis.

00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.039
We watched something and Bruce Willis portrayed him.

00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:05.920
There was another one.

00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.640
There was Eddie Redbane did a series, I think.

00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.920
The series, there was another one for the 70s or 80s, yeah.

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:13.599
That is D D the Jackal.

00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.640
And but my norm is I'm gonna copy Dan.

00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.359
I'm gonna come very close to it's a movie that we done for the pod, and we loved it.

00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.160
We put it on a pedestal, it's it lives in my heart.

00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.920
It's another movie about Elvis, and it's called Baba Hotep.

00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:30.480
Oh yeah.

00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:41.200
And the conspiracy is that he was gyrating so hard that he passed out, and then he woke up in an asylum, and uh we we've seen this movie, right?

00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.079
Yeah, with JFK, who is now black.

00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:45.039
Exactly.

00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:45.839
Yeah.

00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.559
So and they have to fight an Egyptian mummy.

00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:49.920
So that is my nom.

00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:51.759
Thank you very much, Greatfield.

00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:52.400
Yeah.

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.200
And then we just need one more conspiracy theory.

00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:56.240
Or do we?

00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:10.319
There's uh a wild array of munchies, um It's a real smorgasboard, isn't it?

00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:16.319
Special toffee chewy stuff, belters, munchies, gone.

00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.039
Tango belt, cream eggs, backlavers.

00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.759
There's even a glass of red wine.

00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:32.079
Well, that leads us effortlessly into this week's movie.

00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:33.200
Sovereign.

00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:33.920
Yeah.

00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.319
Yeah.

00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:36.799
A bit sovere it's all about rings, isn't it?

00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:37.200
Yeah.

00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.400
Had you heard about the sovereign citizen movement?

00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:41.680
I hadn't, actually.

00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:59.359
I was this was kind of new to me, although I was aware of I didn't know it had a name called the Sovereign City Citizen Movement, but I had heard of people who obviously believe I knew someone, we knew someone that briefly was a member of this.

00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:00.400
World Citizen.

00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.240
And and so uh tell us a little more about it, Reese, for those that don't know.

00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.359
What about the movement or this film?

00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:10.400
The the movement.

00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:21.359
It basically comes down to it doesn't can it doesn't recognise law in any sort of form, essentially, and that they consider themselves above the law, right?

00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:39.440
Exempt from government, and that there is essentially a sort of they call it straw man in this, but a kind of a corporate entity of an individual who is liable for things in the eyes of the like a bank is a separate entity.

00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:39.839
Yeah.

00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:45.359
If if the bank is going to prison to court, then nobody's actually going to prison.

00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.200
It would just be the bank is fined.

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:57.519
It's essentially a whole bunch of pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo that paranoid and desperate and desperate people employ.

00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:03.440
But it has had a more sort of it's it's gaining traction as a as a movement.

00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:08.000
I mean, this film is is based on a real life incident involving a follower of this.

00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.039
It does say at the beginning, right, that this is based on a true event.

00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.360
Yeah, and only this week in Australia, this is what had me thinking about it.

00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.519
There was an Australian guy called Do you see this, Desi Freeman?

00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:21.199
Oh yeah, Seven Months on the Run.

00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:22.719
Yeah, Seven Months on the Run.

00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:23.920
He did a similar sort of thing.

00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.639
Yeah, and was shot and killed yesterday or the day before, I think.

00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:35.760
And in Queensland in 2022, there was another similar incident, so it's a troubling phenomenon.

00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:40.000
Well, who's the famous Australian who Raoul Moat?

00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:40.880
No.

00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:47.519
The famous Australian who wore the iron kind of um crocodile dundee.

00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:48.559
The iron cross.

00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.039
No, going back, back, back, back in the day.

00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:52.320
Ned Flanders.

00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:52.960
Kelly.

00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:53.679
Kelly.

00:34:53.920 --> 00:35:00.159
You know, people like that would have not recognised not recognised the law in in various ways, you know, decided to be a few.

00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:05.199
By the Meinhof gang, the RAF, they said that in court and said we don't recognise this court.

00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.840
How can you apply your laws to us and we don't fucking recognise anything?

00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:08.400
Exactly.

00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:09.119
That's the same thing.

00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.519
I think the Nazis said that in Nuremberg as well.

00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:12.239
So I believe that.

00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.280
This one opens then with a sort of flash forward into the movie.

00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:26.159
Uh uh, it's a desperate call to the emergency services, a member of the public reporting that two police officers police officers have been gunned down.

00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:28.880
He's saying there's brains everywhere or something like that.

00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.920
And it felt to me like that was probably real recordings.

00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.840
I'm not sure of the of the genuine incident.

00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.000
The audio, yeah, probably.

00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:45.039
And then we cut to the Kane household where Joe, he was Jacob Tremblay in the room.

00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:45.360
Yeah.

00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.840
We watched that old room, I think it was called.

00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:48.960
The young lad.

00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:50.480
He was at home with a dog.

00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:50.880
Yeah.

00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:55.119
He's good in this and liked him.

00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:55.760
He's brilliant.

00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:57.119
Yeah, he's a great actor.

00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.440
He's home alone in their kind of quite run-down looking house.

00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:06.079
The house is actually not that bad, but the It just hasn't been looked after.

00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.239
You see how it look outside, and it's just it just looks like it's abandoned, really.

00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:11.519
It's unkempt, isn't it?

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.599
It's pretty clear that he's there.

00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.039
I mean, straight away it's pretty clear that he's there for long periods on his own.

00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:17.280
Yeah.

00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:18.400
When he's about sixteen.

00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:28.880
Anyway, the sheriff and the bailiff turn up at the door knocking for trying to find his dad, and they're gonna serve him a notice of eviction in 30 days unless he pays the minimum.

00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.360
And it's all a bit sad and desperate, isn't it?

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:32.639
He looks at his neighbour.

00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:33.679
He's a girl.

00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.840
And he's a good k he's a good kid cross.

00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:52.960
You know, you see him tidying the yard, he he can't get the the law mole working, but he he like tidies best he can and stacks some some metal behind a shed, and he hears a car coming and it's his dad, and you can see the smile on his face, and you realise these guys have got a good relationship.

00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.440
Yeah, and it's a sort of bit jovial at first.

00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.000
He comes in and he the dad just dismisses it.

00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.199
Don't worry about it, the bank has no legal authority over me.

00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:10.000
Yeah, around the bank, but uh and that part, but I was it was more the the initial reaction of him here in his dad's home.

00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:17.199
It was a smile, he was pleased, he helps him with the the shopping that he goes, Con, have you done this?

00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:29.199
Oh good lad, you know, and his dad's really nice to him, and you just think this isn't like a you know, an abusive relationship in those first kind of No, it's the scene is quite warm.

00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:37.119
Quite warm that he's i in a loving, kind of understanding parent child relationship.

00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:38.719
And have you done your homework?

00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.639
Have you test you know, done this good lad, good lad.

00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:53.199
Yeah, well it becomes clear that he's homeschooled and his dad is helping him do that, and at first, you know, you see him being very conscientious, looking through all his work and talking to him about it and discussing it sort of philosophically with him.

00:37:53.840 --> 00:38:12.079
But th there is little kind of interactions and things where you see him looking at the neighbour who's come back from school with a little sister or something, and he he kind of checks her out a bit and you think how interaction how how much interaction have you got?

00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:13.119
Yeah, how much how much more.

00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:35.519
So Dad, he occasionally goes on an internet show, a bit like this podcast, where he talks about debt elimination with other kooks, and he treat he goes on a series of seminars across the country which are almost evangelical in their presentation.

00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.679
They've got these white suits and red ties, and they sometimes even perform in churches.

00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.199
And preaching to the converted.

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:50.639
Yeah, well, they're preaching to the desperate, people who've got no money, people on disability, people who've been who who can't afford payments on all sorts of things.

00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.880
But he basically misleads these people.

00:38:53.920 --> 00:39:02.320
He tells them that basically he can tie them the pe the system up with knots and get, you know, for a thousand dollars a night.

00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:14.719
And these people have big beards and cowboy hats, and they're, you know, land at a free kind of people, and they don't understand how they're being shafted by a system they don't understand.

00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:28.960
They're being asked for bigger taxes, they're being asked to bail out banks for instance, and all these kind of things that he puts into his speech, and it's very easy to get them on board because they want to believe.

00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:39.039
The crowd is very receptive and he's really charismatic, and his son's watching him with a kind of quiet awe, really, at like what he's gonna do and video, yeah, exactly.

00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:45.599
I mean it all seems like fairly not idyllic, but a bit strange, but also quite wholesome in a way.

00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:55.840
Yeah, and you also at this stage the views have become you don't know the situation, how unfair it is, what contracts they do have.

00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:05.760
Because he talks about, you know, I don't have a contract, they don't know my contract, and you think he's okay, like I'll give the film a enough at this stage, because I I don't know.

00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:19.199
But as it goes on, it the the bit that really ticked it for me was the driving licence part when he's so a little bit further down, he's been to a few and more of these evangelical type meetings.

00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:24.960
Really, the only thing of interest that happens before that incident is that Joe says, Well, why can't they earn a bit of money?

00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.280
And he's like, Well, we should we can pay back the bank now.

00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:32.559
And he's like, It's to your point, oh they don't have a car they don't owe me, why should I share?

00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:41.039
They loaned my money out at nine times the fractionalization of the debt, and I don't get back on that, so they can't have any of mine.

00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:45.119
And he's like, Oh, it's all fifty-fifty, and that's important later because it doesn't go 50-50.

00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:52.000
Yeah, and and obviously at some stage he's he's borrowed the money from the bank to buy the house or whatever whatever it is.

00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:53.679
But Well, there were happier times, right?

00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.840
He had a wife and a Was there another child as well?

00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.440
We're pretty sure there was another there was another child, a daughter, maybe.

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:05.519
Yeah, it's not completely clear what happened to them, but they're no longer around.

00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:06.159
No.

00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:13.840
And this incident where he's driving along and he gets pulled over by the police at uh Well, he's not driving Dan, he's travelling.

00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:14.320
Yeah.

00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.199
Well, this is it.

00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:26.400
And you realise, wait a minute, he goes, No, I'm this is my car, and he's saying driver's you know, license and registration, and he's saying, Well, this is what you're gonna have, and he brings it.

00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:34.000
Well, he escalates this situation in about 30 seconds from just completely normal to think like, oh my god, what the fuck are you doing?

00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:41.199
You need to have a measurement of are you safe and able to drive this vehicle on a road with other people?

00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.360
That's what you're being asked to to prove.

00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:49.199
A traffic cost for licence and registration is seems to be a fairly normal thing, at least in American movies, anyway.

00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:59.280
Yeah, but he he argues the point that there's some kind of old law that a traveller, you know, it's like he's got a horse and carrying it.

00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:02.320
You know, this is it.

00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:07.519
It would have come from like, you know, back in the day of the Wild West and you know, uh a horse and car.

00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:15.039
Or stuff he's like not really understood properly because he's trying to define his car as not a car and all sorts of vehicle is not a car, it's not a lot of cool.

00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:21.280
Well, it this it gets worse when he gets into into court, of course, but right there he he escalates it and he goes.

00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:23.679
No, because he's the first thing he says, Is this your car?

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.920
And he says, No, this isn't a car, it's a vehicle.

00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.079
It's like, oh my god, what are you doing?

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:28.719
Yeah.

00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:33.440
So then basically they he goes to stay the night in jail.

00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:34.000
Yeah.

00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:40.719
Jerry is taken away, he escalates this situation, and the cops quite rightly take him off, and Joe is sent off to a detention centre.

00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:42.320
And we meet Randy Quaid.

00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:43.679
Yes, yeah.

00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:54.320
And Randy just presses him gently on this whole sovereign idea, because he's like, Oh, so there's this fictional entity that's responsible for all this shit, you know, that's happening to you, is there?

00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:55.599
Why isn't he here?

00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.320
Because he it looks to me like you're here and not him.

00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.400
And I it j Joe has already been questioning, like we said, a few times.

00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.159
Yeah, he he's looked at.

00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:21.360
And he's looking at which is the opposite, sorry to interrupt you, but it's the opposite to I was saying to Kira, because we watched it together, and I was like, This kid is the opposite to any other kid in history, where generally parents tell you to go to school, he's actively looking to go to school.

00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:21.519
Yeah.

00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.760
And his old man's like, No, don't go.

00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.679
They're gonna grab you by the balls, they're gonna have all the information on you, and all that.

00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.719
And this kid's like, But I want to go to school.

00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:42.960
And he ends up through this detention centre social you know, services type situation in a school, he's playing a bit of basketball, they're clapping, they're encouraging, you see him smiling, you think.

00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.880
Well, don't forget he's been homeschooled for six years, between the ages 10 and 16.

00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.760
He's participating in a classroom environment where they're having a discussion.

00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.519
It's like alien to him, but he likes it.

00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.559
And he he enjoys it, and you think he's a smart kid.

00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:59.760
He he's he's kind of encouraging to the other kids by clapping when they score basket.

00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:19.280
Or something, and you just think that's the kind of environment, you know, around his own peers and and sort out your own way in life and and m make it but but all along the music is reminding you of those first 30 seconds of the fucking the the call, the phone call at the beginning of the death and destruction that we know awaits what's happening.

00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.840
And and Dad's on his way back, and this time he's got the girl from the Goonies.

00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:25.920
Martha Plimpton.

00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:26.480
Yeah, yes.

00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.400
She was in Pekka as well, wasn't she?

00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:28.639
Yeah.

00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.360
And she has bailed him out.

00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:32.719
Yeah, she's bailed him out.

00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:38.000
She's been part of the podcast followers and May Bad Film Review or something.

00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:39.199
Yeah, that's it.

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:48.480
And you know, is bankrolled the next few days of their lives and they go to little Reno Atlanta or wherever they're going gambling.

00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:49.760
And they've got a room.

00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:54.000
He's mentioned before just that he's been 18 years sober, hasn't he?

00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.119
And then suddenly you see him drinking and gambling.

00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.280
He's principally gambling the money that Joe had in this scene.

00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:02.400
Yeah, but that's it.

00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.320
He's he's gambling any money he can get.

00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.400
He gets her money as well.

00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.840
Yeah, she goes to the ATM and hands him some cash and yeah.

00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.519
And needless say, he's he's not on a lucky streak.

00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:25.440
He loses that money and they part their ways after a little while, but all on good terms and But it's pretty clear he's got like this fucked eye that he's come back with that looks fucked straight away after this.

00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:28.960
He's flipped after being inside.

00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:39.760
As something's gone complete drastically wrong with him because when they start the seminars up again, he's much more violent in his language, talks openly about his desire to or not his desire for violence.

00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.239
But yeah, desire for violence, basically, isn't it?

00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:44.639
He won't quit he won't quit.

00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.199
They go then to a gun range.

00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:54.000
And they're talking to people that love guns about guns and buy guns and Yeah.

00:45:54.639 --> 00:46:00.000
But he goes to with the kids, with Joe to the drive to the shooting range and gives him a machine gun to shoot.

00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.679
And he's like aiming more for the head.

00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:05.679
Yeah, that you would normally wear a vest, and you're like, only the police wears a vest.

00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.320
What are you talking about?

00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:14.559
And at about this point, Chris, it's a good the it's a good thing to say that the parallel story starts, which is Dennis Quaid and his son.

00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:15.199
Yes.

00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.039
A police, a young police officer in training, he's learning the job.

00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:24.400
You see him, he's it's still in the training phase, and he's got a young family.

00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:30.400
He's had a f an argument with his father about gentle parenting, essentially, about whether or not you should pick up a a child.

00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.760
And Quaid is is very firm in don't do that.

00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:37.360
You'll just soften them up.

00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.800
You never pick up a a a crying baby, you're too soft whenever he does.

00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:45.360
And it's part of a pattern of him being hard on his son, which his mother does.

00:46:45.760 --> 00:47:06.159
And you see him going through the training regime of a a state trooper being tasered, being taken down and armed behind the back and slammed into the face, and you know, being part of this kind of workshop saying, Look, you're practicing now, and one day you're gonna be in an unpredictable situation and this can happen.

00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:11.920
So he's some part of the training crew, maybe he's retired state troop or whatever it is, Dennis Quaid.

00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:13.360
But he's the sheriff, I think.

00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:13.840
He's the sheriff.

00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:17.519
He's got a rusty sheriff's badge.

00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:17.840
Yeah.

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:24.400
And yeah, well, he's that story uh, you know, they don't really go too much into it, but they give us enough to know that.

00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:26.960
It's going on in the background behind these characters.

00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.440
It's like a portrait of different fathers and their sons.

00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:49.519
In some ways, like Dennis Quaid's relationship is much colder with his son than the relationship we saw modelled at the beginning, but this is now going completely off the rails, really, because the bank's deadline arrives and they take the house, the father just completely abdicates all kinds of responsibility to the kid to like answer the door to these people.

00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.039
And then he's like, And then why did you do a load of shit for him when they're kicked out?

00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:54.559
And he's like, Why did you let them in?

00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:02.159
And then in an astonishing moment, he pulls two guns out the back of the car and tries to enforce a duel with him, like to shoot with a kid, yeah.

00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.760
He's screaming, Mendacity, mendacity, and holding.

00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.360
I think he takes a shot, does he?

00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.079
He shoots, obviously not at the child, but he does shoot the shot.

00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.480
He does shoot the gun and just almost simulates the duel and Fucking hell.

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.519
It's it's a kind of another moment.

00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:21.760
And this is when they go to court.

00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:22.239
Yeah.

00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.960
And he refuses to get a lawyer.

00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:25.280
Yeah.

00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:26.559
And he represents himself.

00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.760
He tries all that mumbo jumbo shit in front of the judge.

00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:30.719
Actual judge.

00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.599
Just like he's like, it's over in about 30 seconds, and he's like, right, that's it, done.

00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.000
Bailiff, take him out of here, and it's like Yeah.

00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:39.119
He's like, What do you mean?

00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:46.079
No, I have this, and and he just kind of he can't take his words out, and he just yells almost like he did with Mendacity.

00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:48.719
He just yells the I've got rights, I've got this.

00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:53.199
And the judge's like, Yeah, I I just told you who won the foreclosure, they're taking the house.

00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:54.320
You've got Mr.

00:48:54.400 --> 00:49:03.440
Bank there who's just saying we try to like looking at the judge, going, We try to torture him, and the judge just throws it out and he goes, I don't accept this.

00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.159
You're you're running away from your duties here.

00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:07.360
Make it be known.

00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.199
The judge is running away from his duties.

00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:10.320
The judge has just packed it.

00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:11.760
He's just gone to lunch or whatever.

00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.760
And then he picks up his bag and goes, We won that case.

00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.760
Like, you know, he's just absolutely blinkered in his view.

00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.239
He's really lost it now, really, by this point.

00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:30.079
And it's inevitable where it goes to next because there is another traffic stop, and we know they've got a lot of weapons in the car now.

00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:30.559
Yeah.

00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:40.159
And uh this one But this one is where I sorry to interrupt, this is where I found it really strange because I don't have a driving license, and uh my limited knowledge You shouldn't be driving.

00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:41.679
I I don't.

00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:42.960
I I I would never do it.

00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:53.679
But to my limited knowledge, in America, you can get out of the car in Romania where I'm from, and you can get out of the car in England where I've seen people when you're Yeah, but in America you get out of the car and soft.

00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:55.039
That is exactly.

00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:57.760
And and he unarmed initially.

00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.519
Well, but yeah, it's because it's the two cadets, it's the cadets that we've seen.

00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:13.360
Yes, but Johnny Quake's and uh the other guy shift, and they just stop this guy, and he walks out of the car like oh, what's going on, officers?

00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:17.360
I can't go I didn't do anything wrong, I'm just travelling the same kind of sentence.

00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.119
And they're like, Oh no, it's it's the first car.

00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:21.280
Yeah.

00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:28.480
The cadets come the second time, and the guy's like, and he waves that piece of paper that is like his legal document made by himself.

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:45.519
He's super, super aggressive, and yeah, he gives them this bullshit documentation and then goes, they they're like really puzzled because they're just cadets who start to phone it in, and he goes back to his car and just gets the machine gun out the back and just lies there, and the kid is looking at him like, What the fuck are you doing, Dad?

00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:52.239
Then he goes back out and they another copper turns up and he gets out without the machine gun and they start to arrest him again.

00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:59.119
It's just a recurrence of the first one, and then the kid leaps out the side of the car with a machine gun and then just guns down the coppers.

00:50:59.280 --> 00:50:59.840
Fucking hell.

00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:05.840
Because he's obviously had it drilled into him, he's seen his father, he's seen this go wrong, he's had all this message of violence at him.

00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:07.599
He's agitated already, yeah.

00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:15.119
So he's gunned down Dennis Quaid's son and his partner, and then they're off on a little sort of temporary manhunt basically.

00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:23.679
Yeah, they they go to a shop and buy a new shirt and Yeah, he washes off the gunpowder and all that and the petals.

00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:25.199
I mean they buy more bullets.

00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.719
Obviously gonna end in one way and they get to a parking lot.

00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:45.280
Just before that, he sees the girl from next door and she waves at him across the and he doesn't he can't by this point he's so broken he can't even there's been a thing of him trying to get in contact of the ad friend on Facebook and all that.

00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:56.239
I thought the dad might be I mean, this based on a true story, so you know, obviously not, but you you think the dad might try and, you know, shuttle the kid off to safety or something.

00:51:56.719 --> 00:52:10.960
Exactly, you know, but no, they're they're they're going down in an absolute blaze of glory here, and as soon as he gets into this car park and there's a car that pulls in front of him, he starts shooting first and and they don't stop shooting until everybody's dead.

00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:13.599
It kicks off like but it's quite it's Nick Offerman.

00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:14.159
Yeah.

00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:29.360
Normally known for his comedic roles, really, and it's so but he's quite big and violent in this, and it kicks off like a fairly good actually in the 10 or 15 minute battle scene, like lots of gunfire, so many people eventually.

00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.599
I mean, it's the van is just turned into Swiss cheese.

00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.599
Yeah, Quaid comes in and he he sets the the final few bullets.

00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:37.760
Does he know does he know at this point that his son is?

00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:44.320
Yeah, yeah, he comes he hears it on the radio and they go to the crime scene as it's happened, basically.

00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.880
His wife's in the car, his wife's in the car, she sees it.

00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:54.719
They were meant to go fishing or something, and because there was the first day of the sun, and they were like, Oh, we're gonna celebrate, we're going to the lake or something like that.

00:52:55.199 --> 00:53:07.920
The w the wife is giving him a bit of stick for being, you know, riding the kid pretty hard and he's he's a good kid, like, you know, and he says, Well, why don't you tell him that every now and again, you know, that he's you're proud of him and stuff.

00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:20.639
It it ends with all the funerals of you know, uh two st star spangled banner coffins in a in a church with the the girl that he's been looking at.

00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.239
The young girl, yeah, the neighbour.

00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:23.519
She's part of the choir.

00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:40.480
And there's a few, like a a few candles and homemade posters around four candles around around a a small kind of stand where they would have held a virgin uh vigil for for the other two because they did have their followers and things.

00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.280
But then it breaks to to Quaid at home.

00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:49.280
The wife of his son is is kind of breaking down, or his sister, I'm not sure if it's his daughter in his sister.

00:53:50.639 --> 00:54:04.000
She's breaking down doing the dishes, he takes over, and he hears the kid crying after a while, and you know, you just think, well, he's the kind of guy who's not going to pick up, you know, yeah, it's a strange, it's a strange thing.

00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:16.079
But it's changed him, obviously, and he does go and pick up the kid and he he takes him outside and he's trying to, you know, change himself a little soothing and he gives him a little kiss and it ends on that sort of thing.

00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:22.960
Yeah, and it it ends on that, but it's it's a really sad, sad story because it's even worse as well, because one of the things we forgot to mention.

00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:42.239
Well, it's true, and one of the other things we didn't mention was Nick Offerman tells this desperately sad story about essentially what pushed him over the edge into this sovereign movement, which was that his young daughter ha uh died of SIDS, and the government wanted to do an autopsy and he didn't want them to.

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:42.719
Yeah.

00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:44.000
And they did it anyway.

00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:44.400
Yeah.

00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:45.840
Oh Sakurai.

00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.639
Desperate yeah, I know you might have found that a bit tricky.

00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:50.400
It was desperately, desperately sad.

00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:51.199
And uh yeah.

00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:53.920
He also has a story about him and his dad.

00:54:54.320 --> 00:55:02.239
At the beginning, when he tells the story to to the kid, there is a story about him and his dad that what he pushed him away from school.

00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:09.280
And I can't remember exactly what what the story was, but it was a a thing that triggered him in in that way with his dad and against school, yeah.

00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.559
And then the the the autopsy of the of the daughter.

00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:12.960
Yeah.

00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.679
Homeschooling's a weird kind of thing, isn't it?

00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.400
Because I get like there's uh There's quite a few people do it over here.

00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:19.039
Yeah, it's quite big.

00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.360
There's a lady at work and her daughter just wasn't getting on at school.

00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:31.920
So she's been to school and she's now just at the time GCC's decided that you know that wasn't working for her, and so she's but she's still still been around other kids and stuff.

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:41.039
I just find that if I don't know, being almost isolated away from all these different other relationships and stuff is a bit odd.

00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:41.440
Yeah.

00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:43.920
But I know that the system isn't for everyone.

00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:49.199
I think it can work well, but there is a thing with the social side that you've got to get right for the kids.

00:55:49.519 --> 00:56:03.119
I wouldn't personally be able to do it because I didn't know how to so Pete and I were having a coffee in in your cafe, and he's like, I'm not gonna obviously say that the guy's name, but it's like, oh because the kids were there, this was you know during turn time.

00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:04.960
Yeah, he homeschools that.

00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:06.559
And I was like, why why what's going on?

00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.199
He's like, Oh, do you not know about this?

00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.159
And I was like, No, because they're homeschooling, okay, well, fine.

00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:21.360
Because it I think the the requirement is that you have to give me something crazy, like an hour and a half a month of like structured learning, that's all they have to have.

00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:21.840
Okay.

00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.719
By law, you have to provide an education, that is it.

00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:25.039
Yeah.

00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.760
And then there's tests that you have to hit a standard of EGM.

00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:29.440
And I'm like, okay, but what's the end game then?

00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:35.039
It's like, so it's got a son and a daughter, the son will be a professional footballer, and the daughter will be a professional dancer.

00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:35.360
That's it.

00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:35.840
That's the plan.

00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.519
There's no there's no longer there's no like fallback or anything.

00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:44.719
Well, that's probably foolproof, that plan, I would think, because pretty much everybody who wants to be a professional footballer.

00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.719
It's gonna make it no professional dancer, does it?

00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:47.360
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:54.639
Sounds like the movie's almost like also maybe saying something about gun violence and yeah, almost certainly.

00:56:54.800 --> 00:57:04.960
I mean, there's a lot of doubt about how easy it is for these fucking nut jobs to and then the fact that he's able to buy ammunition like hours after like After he's just gunned down some police officer.

00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:11.280
But it's also the fact that he when he gets arrested the first time, that's what Dennis Quaid says to the kid.

00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:16.239
He's like, he's not he's not allowed to carry you do know he's not allowed to carry to carry a firearm.

00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:17.039
A firearm.

00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:19.280
And there was quite a few of them.

00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.480
He's got quite a long list of crimes as well.

00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:25.440
Really very sad this story.

00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:48.239
I think it also talks about a a particular sort of community of people, probably very much alive in America today, who who do are frustrated at the laws and how they're being, you know, eked out of the way of living that they want, that freedom and everything.

00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:59.840
Well, a lot of these people as well were sold that they couldn't really afford because the banks wanted them to have it, and then it all fell apart, as we all know.

00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:01.519
The American dream, yeah.

00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:02.400
And and this is it.

00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:05.360
They bought houses that they couldn't afford, basically.

00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:13.280
Not that that was a particularly aff affluent house or whatever, but he he did mention I was a roofer, but there's not a lot of you know, work.

00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.800
Well, his full-time job became avoiding paying his mortgage.

00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:17.599
Yeah.

00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.639
And and teaching other people how to do that as well.

00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:27.519
But that was because he kind of fell into that rather than that was what he was doing, if there'd have been enough.

00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:37.920
And and so, you know, this does speak to maybe a a MAGA movement kind of uh community of people that are frustrated with you know how Trump got in.

00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:43.840
He tapped into people like this that, you know, it's all against the system against it is, of course it is.

00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:51.760
It's all against his systems or the g vote for uh vote for me and I'll change it all, and you see right now it's worse than it's ever been.

00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:53.840
Well, I mean I'm not in America.

00:58:54.079 --> 00:59:01.440
Maybe our American listeners will feed into that, but it it doesn't sound like it's going particularly well from what we get.

00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:06.400
Yeah, but this sovereign citizen thing seems to transcend geographical boundaries.

00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:07.679
Yeah, it's not you're right.

00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:13.760
I mean, this was based in America Knows Someone, like I say, but this one but it all has a link back to violence.

00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:17.199
And people are frustrated by corporate systems as well.

00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:24.239
And you know, around at one point he says, you know, what is you know I'm I'm here.

00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:28.320
He's talking about why they put your name in capitals on a birth certificate and stuff, isn't it?

00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:29.679
That he was talking about.

00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:34.880
But I think when he was in the diner at one point, he was sort of I'm here eating this burger, you're here eating this burger.

00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:35.679
Where's the bank?

00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:36.559
Where's the bank?

00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:46.639
Yeah, you know, but if we go to court, we're against the bank, you know, and then no there's just faceless people that don't have any kind of responsibility.

00:59:47.199 --> 01:00:00.719
Is that the extreme edge of what we all feel, which is a bit of a mistrust of big institutions and fucked over by the systems and like you know, but it's for just right at the fucking extreme edge of that.

01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.920
Strong recommend for this film that barely anybody has ever seen.

01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:05.760
I think it made sixty-three thousand dollars.

01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:07.039
Okay.

01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:14.960
But I'll have to say the two actors, like the the the kid and the dad, Quaid is is quite good in it as well.

01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:24.960
That the his son, with with the way he he kind of portrays the the more shy son as well, I think it's got the the acting is really good, but it's a bleak, sad film.

01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:25.599
It is.

01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:39.360
But and and again, the fact that it's based on a true thing, it was it was quite there's no it's heavy by the end, I was like, and to be fair, it was also the fact that really everyone isn't no one's really very clever.

01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:41.440
Everyone's the best America.

01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.079
Well yeah, look, I don't want to offend anyone.

01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:46.159
Well Joe was, that's the tragic thing.

01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:57.280
Yeah, that's he's probably the only one that you could kind of see the potential for him to actually at 16 to be the one that sees beyond all this kind of fog of words, basically.

01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:11.440
But everything else, and to be fair, until they start shooting at the end, which is the last 15 minutes of the film, it's quite monotone and just quite one pace, just everything just kind of goes like that, and you're a bit like fuck out.

01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:13.280
Come on, a bit of light in this.

01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:20.159
And I think obviously the the score and the the way it's shot, there's not a sunny day in the whole film.

01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:21.199
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:22.400
It's not a happy film.

01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:25.760
I don't know where it's based in, I can't remember the the Arkansas.

01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:26.159
Yeah.

01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:30.480
I don't know if they have sunny days in Arkansas, but in this film, zero.

01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:33.360
Yeah, it's all dark clouds and grey skies.

01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:33.920
Yeah.

01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:35.840
But strong recommend.

01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:37.679
Strong recommend, yeah.

01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:38.800
Enjoy it outside.

01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:39.920
Strong.

01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:40.559
Yeah.

01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:48.159
Another wonderful week, or was it?

01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.199
It's gonna be sort of out of order.

01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:51.679
Yeah.

01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:52.880
In in a sense.

01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:56.639
I don't know how much time I'll have to prep for a proper episode this week as well.

01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:00.480
Well we can do an abbreviated because conspiracy will be next week's.

01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:00.800
Yeah.

01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:03.280
Well, there's all kind of reasons we might have done that.

01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:04.159
Yeah, exactly.

01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.239
So we'll figure out whose norms it is.

01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.639
All that remains is to say sidey signing out.

01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:10.480
Reeg's is gone.

01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:12.719
No, I don't say that, do I?

01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:13.840
Dan's gone.

01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:14.320
Yeah.

01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:15.840
You say whatever you want.