March 24, 2026

Midweek Mention... Basic Instinct

This week the dads tackle Paul Verhoeven's infamous erotic thriller — the fourth highest-grossing film of 1992 and quite possibly the most rewound VHS tape in rental shop history. Basic Instinct turns 33 this year, and it's still just as wild as you remember. In this episode: The legendary interrogation scene and the great Wayne Knight sweating debateWhether Sharon Stone knew — and whether Paul Verhoeven is telling the truthNick Curran: the "anti-Columbo" and arguably cinema's least heroic he...

In this episode:

The legendary interrogation scene and the great Wayne Knight sweating debate
Whether Sharon Stone knew — and whether Paul Verhoeven is telling the truth
Nick Curran: the "anti-Columbo" and arguably cinema's least heroic hero
Why Michael Douglas was paid $14 million and Sharon Stone got half a million
Verhoeven's Hitchcock obsession and the Vertigo parallels hiding in plain sight
The ambiguous ending, the ice pick under the bed, and whether the sequel tells us anything
LGBTQ+ representation and the bisexual villain problem
The 2001 collector's edition DVD that came with a replica ice pick
Sharon Stone's Barbie film pitch, and why it never happened

Verdict: Strong recommend. Ludicrous, overwrought, problematic in places — and still absolutely compelling.

Films mentioned: Basic Instinct (1992), Basic Instinct 2 (2006), Vertigo (1958)

Cast & crew discussed: Sharon Stone, Michael Douglas, Jeanne Tripplehorn, Wayne Knight, Paul Verhoeven, Jerry Goldsmith

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We're going to talk about the fourth highest grossing film of 1992.

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Wow.

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And it is just, you know, a basic instinct.

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Yeah.

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For everyone.

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Really, isn't it?

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We've mentioned this film quite a few times on the pod.

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Yeah.

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For various reasons.

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Yeah.

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I don't think we've done like an erotic thriller for the pod before, really.

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I think we did a top five sex scenes or penises or something.

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We did something sexy.

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Yeah.

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But we haven't done an erotic week.

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Yeah.

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This is it.

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This is not a week, but we did see that the Korean, Japan, The Handmade.

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That was quite sexy, I thought.

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Yeah, it was.

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Basic Instinct, though, I don't think we need to worry about spoils.

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I reckon out of every film we've ever reviewed, this is probably one that's most watched by listeners as well.

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Do you think so?

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It's got to be right up there, I think.

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A few minutes of it.

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Had you seen this before, Dan?

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I'd seen this a few times before, and parts of it I'd seen like 50 times.

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Just 50.

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Chris, had you seen this before?

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Yes, I have seen it, and I actually do have a funny story about this because the when I first seen it, it was on a cassette the VHS, right?

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Yeah.

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And we you go to the cassette place.

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I can't remember what.

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Rental.

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Yeah, the rental.

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And you rent it.

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Cassettarium.

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Yes, cassettarium.

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And you rent it, and the crossing leg scene has been rewind.

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You know when you rewind it so many times that the the scene was like a few.

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So you couldn't really see properly really what was going on because whoever rented it before that probably furiously masturbated to it numerous times, and you just kept going backwards and forwards.

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So talking about that scene, this with the advances in TV quality and the whatever source that it was streaming from for me, this is the most like graphically I've seen that.

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Okay.

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This was real high quality pussy for you.

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Yeah.

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So it opens this one with a sex scene.

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We're right in to uh The murder of Johnny Boss.

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Mysterious blonde-haired woman on top of soon-to-be murder victim.

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Yeah.

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I think we first see him reflected in the ceiling link mirrors, don't we?

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Yeah, it's Paul Verhoven doing like sexy stuff.

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Yeah.

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And she's got long blonde hair that obscures her face and they're having sex and she ties him up.

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She ties him up.

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Yeah.

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With little Hermes scarves.

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Yeah.

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And then she's writhing around, she sort of leans back and then reaches for something and then Right at the moment of orgasm, it seems, crescendo furiously brutally stabs him to death with an ice pick.

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Yes.

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Sharon Stone actually pierced actor Bill Cable's chest multiple times through the blood packs in this scene, and he was actually required to go to hospital afterwards and was left with permanent scars.

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Wow.

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So that's nice.

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I hope she made it up to him.

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Yeah.

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He looked like she did.

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Can you imagine that?

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Just well Sharon Stone gave me that in Basic.

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Oh, and that one.

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Because that could that could have very easily they could have used a body double there, because you don't see her face.

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Yes.

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So it was her.

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It was actually her, yeah.

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Great commitment.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There you go.

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And then they next come in to investigate the crime scene.

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Soon it's Nick.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Michael Douglas, who was, you know, just the the man of the early nineties, I guess.

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Yeah, and in this, he's kind of he's this like loose canon that you know uh already known basically before he's even on screen for his drinking and taking of cocaine and embroiled in this controversial shooting of two not for the first time in his career as well.

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Amazingly, he shot two tourists, as we'll find found out.

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I think of him he's like he's like the anti-Columbo in this movie, and that he's always two steps behind everybody else.

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And he's like in where Columbo sort of like uses his sort of old man act to make the everybody underestimate him, he's the total opposite.

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He uses like all he compensates for his massive insecurities by being hugely masculine all the time and talking about how amazing he is.

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But being behind is where he likes to be.

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Yeah.

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Yeah by the looks of it.

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Janine Triple's gonna find that out in fairly.

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First of all, they they get a lead on who this guy's been shagging.

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Yeah, they're all laddish and blokish about the crime scene.

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Oh, there's a lot of jizz here, isn't there, or whatever they say.

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Don't they do a UV?

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Maybe they do some of the drugs at the time, whether they don't.

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There's like a UV scene, isn't there, where they're just kind of He talks about it.

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They they know who this guy is, who he's been with, so they go to Katherine Tremell is Sharon Stone's character.

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Yeah.

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And they go to one of her houses.

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Well, just before that, Nick is allowed back on active duty by Gene Triplehorn.

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He goes to see his psychiatrist.

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So that's where we find out about the shootings and there.

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Also, he makes a joke within about 15 seconds in there about wanking and says I've got calluses on my hands, remember that?

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That's right, yeah.

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Because they used to fuck and now they don't anymore, so he has to jerk off.

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But that's temporary as well, as is his brief sobriety, because that goes out of the window fairly soon.

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But they do go to her one of her houses and Roxy comes down the stairs, which they think is Sharon Stone at first.

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Yeah.

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Because she matches the description of a blonde.

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Leggy blonde.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Roxy's smoking hot and that turns out to be her partner.

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Yes.

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Who is okay with her fucking other guys.

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She's not really okay with it, but sometimes she watches.

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She wants to be part with Catherine, and that's the part of the deal.

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So and she says no, she's not here, she's fucked off to her summer house because it turns out that she's super fucking wealthy.

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Yeah, well, she's an author.

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Yeah.

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And yeah, authors are notoriously wealthy.

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Yes.

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Well I think she's especially ones writing utter trashy shit like she does.

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She had inherited some money as well, though.

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Yeah, because her parents died when she was young.

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So she's like north of a hundred mil.

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So she's not her motives aren't like if she is the killer, it's not financially motivated.

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No.

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So they do go and meet her, and she is pretty aloof.

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She's already She's not really giving them anything.

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Yeah, she's completely in control of the conversation.

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All of the men are shown to be bung bumbling and incompetent, basically, and easily manipulated by her.

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She just basically tells them to fuck off unless you're gonna arrest me and take me downtown, then you can get out.

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Yeah.

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She kind of brushes them off.

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It's very soon that we're gonna get to the famous scene.

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Yeah, we get a little bit of the background history where we learn about her parents died in a boating accident, and then she wrote a book strangely sort of anticipated, or was it after the fact, said the same thing, and she had a former boxer boyfriend who died in the ring, and there was all sorts she's got a crazy, like crazy, crazy history, really, hasn't she?

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She's a college professor who was stabbed with a uh that's gonna come in later, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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I think first of all, he f Nick fucks Gene Triplehorn, doesn't he?

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Is that first?

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I think so.

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They have an encounter in the bar.

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Or maybe no, maybe he's af after the interview where she goes, You can arrest me for smoking Nick in your back.

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Okay, so it's after that.

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Oh, okay.

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So this thing is he goes to see her then after she's already told him to fuck off once and says you need to come and answer some questions.

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And her response is, Well, are you gonna arrest me?

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He says, Well, if that's how you want to play it, but you might you know might as well just come along.

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So she goes to get dressed and puts on this like fucking knockout like looking white.

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She makes a it oh she dresses in the mirror so that Nick can see her and she's not wearing any underwear or anything.

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Yeah, and they do go downtown and I think like everyone in the world's seen this scene.

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Yeah, it's where she terrifies a room full of men through with using her Percy, basically.

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The fat guy from Seinfeld, I can't remember that actor's name, but he is Oh, I know who you mean.

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Yes, yeah, the curly is especially sweaty.

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And she said, Are you gonna arrest me for smoking nick?

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And you're thinking, Yeah, yeah, no, we can do that now.

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Like you know, you can't smoke in these buildings.

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It would just but those days it was ridiculous, of course not.

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They've never met before, but she knows all about him.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Um and she's like addressing him.

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She knows her power, asking him questions, and yeah, she's got her psychology.

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They put I think one of them just eventually puts her on the spot and said, Did you kill him?

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And she said all this stuff about I wouldn't tie him up, I like the way he used his hands.

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She's very comfortable talking about the sex they were having, and they just put her on the spot, and that's the when she She says, I'll do a lie detector.

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And she uncrosses her legs.

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Yeah.

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Like really a lot of chat about this scene because she later on said that she was misled.

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She was unaware that she was going to do a uh pussy flash, basically.

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Which seems really not right, doesn't it?

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Which doesn't I don't want to like say that I don't believe it, if that's what she's saying, but Paul Behoven says that it's bullshit.

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And she knew exactly what's going on.

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It absolutely skyrocketed the film and that scene has been parodied and you know written in history.

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Transcended history.

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The film, you know, all that sort of stuff.

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And you can just see because it she does it and you do see everything, and then it cut, you know, it pivots the camera around and you see you see all the fellows, especially the bloke from Seifel, just like it doesn't matter.

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Some of them are like look really turned on, some of them look terrified.

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He just gets up and goes to get a drink and just keeps carries on.

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He's so fairly comfortable with it.

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Sorry, I'm trying to get his name because I did have it written down.

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It's really annoying because I've known that guy's name several times.

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Oh, his actual name?

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I don't know.

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I think he is it Gus Moran in this film.

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Somebody shouting at his now with his name.

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Maybe it's him.

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Wayne Knight.

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That's because Spielberg cast him for Jurassic Park based on this.

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Right, okay.

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Yeah, okay.

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Well he sweats in that one as well, so it shows that I mean she's basically because, like you say, she's really comfortable talking about her sex and using her sexuality to basically get out of this conversation and then or frame it in the way that she wants and then ends it with, I'll do a lie detector test.

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And they do do one, but even afterwards Nick is like, well that's just bullshit.

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Anybody can pass that, apparently.

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Um she could, especially because she's a sociopath.

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Because she's got the powers, yeah.

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Then they they after this they go to the pub and Nick falls off the wagon here, starts drinking, his psychiatrist comes in and they have a she's sort of like given a lot of grief by the other cops.

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Yeah.

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And Nick's feeling a bit disgruntled, so he grabs her and gets her out of there and then rapes her.

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Yeah.

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He takes her back to their place and it starts off a bit they've had a history, obviously.

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They used to date or at least have sex.

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Yeah.

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Um and they start off kissing and it's quite passionate, and then he starts to throw.

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Yeah, exactly.

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He starts to find out.

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It starts off like it's a bit he's really quite aggressive.

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Yeah.

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And she's sort of you know, uh but she fucking categorically says no.

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Yeah.

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And he just bends her over, rips her under her off, and rapes her.

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Yeah.

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He's murdered two tourists whilst heavily implied to be on cocaine.

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Yeah.

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He's now raped his psychiatrist.

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Yeah.

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And this is the guy supposed to be the hero of the film.

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Yeah.

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It's a bit problematic.

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But the thing is, I mean, at l only he thinks he's the hero of this uh story.

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But so we're two sex scenes in and uh flashed vagina.

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And yeah, when we're halfway in.

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I bet I think we're even halfway.

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Or almost halfway um steamy.

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Yeah.

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Well then the guy from Internal Affairs.

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He ends up dying.

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Yeah.

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That's after he gets an argument with Nick.

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He goes to see Catherine and she knows so much about him, stuff that he couldn't she shouldn't she shouldn't know unless she'd seen his.

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Yeah, he gets one in the chamber.

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Yeah.

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Shot to the head.

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Not before Nick has actually physically assaulted making himself look you know, there's a lot of like people incriminating themselves or like having alibis set up pre-imposed things and that sort of thing in this movie.

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The herrings are all red.

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Yes, the herrings are all red indeed.

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So he's so he's And then he's put on leave, I think.

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After Nielsen's found out.

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After the Nielsen thing.

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Yeah, he's like obsessed with this case, but he can't leave it alone.

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Yeah.

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He's benched essentially, but decides to stay on, which involves him getting he does like a little car chase follow thing through, doesn't he?

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Follows them He goes up.

00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:34.159
I've never seen a car chase where the car goes up the stairs.

00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:34.639
Yeah.

00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:36.639
It was fucking erratic driving.

00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:37.120
Yes.

00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:38.240
It's really bad.

00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.159
But eventually he's gonna fuck her.

00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:40.559
Yeah.

00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.080
Well he goes to the club first, doesn't he?

00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.639
So we get the amazing scene of him with the turtleneck.

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Uh green turtleneck in the club.

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Like the real nineties dancing.

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This is it, he's got a strong hair game.

00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:57.919
Um it's uh you know, he's just pure war nineties macho sex appeal.

00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.200
Well, yeah, Catherine and Roxy are sort of dancing together.

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Uh people are really throwing shapes in this place.

00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:05.200
Yeah, they're really going for it.

00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.600
And as soon as Catherine clocks him, she goes over to him and they start a bit of bump and grind.

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Yeah.

00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:21.360
And Roxy does this really exaggerated like you know, flounces off and she fucks off, and then they're gonna go and fuck, and it's set up to be exactly like the murder scene.

00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:21.840
Exactly.

00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:28.000
It's it's it's a it's a carbon copy of the first scene of the movie, and he gets tied up, and will she stab him or won't they?

00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:29.840
And she does the whole movement.

00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:32.879
Yeah, she leans back and then comes forward, but no.

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And then afterwards we get a really good shot of his ass.

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And he describes her as the fuck of the century.

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Yeah.

00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.759
To Roxy, who's been sat there listening to it all.

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Yeah.

00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:43.600
So horny.

00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.240
God, there's so much plot in this movie, isn't there?

00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:56.000
Because also at some point we're gonna learn that Gene Triplehorn, Garner is her character, Elizabeth Garner.

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She knew Catherine Tremell at they both went to university together and did psychology degrees, didn't they?

00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:05.120
There's a picture of her with blonde hair.

00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:05.440
Yeah.

00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:07.440
They all went wide hell high.

00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:08.639
Yeah, yeah.

00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:17.120
And they treat having a psychology like A-level as like you're some kind of fucking Oriarty in this, which I'm pretty sure is not the case.

00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:23.200
But and also there's like some suggestion of she was stalking her or she was obsessed with her or another.

00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.799
And then he goes, Yeah, but she said you were obsessed with her, and he said, Oh, oh, oh, that changed everything there.

00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:30.559
Yeah, yeah.

00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:32.240
The plot is kind of crazy.

00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.080
We get Roxy's death.

00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.159
She she dies in the car chase.

00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:36.480
Yeah.

00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:39.039
She goes over the bridge, doesn't she?

00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.600
And just like the car just plat, just hammers the floor, and then he's like, Who's driving it?

00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:44.799
And it's Roxy, she's dead.

00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:45.440
Yeah, yeah.

00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.000
And it sends Catherine spiralling into grief.

00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:48.720
Yeah.

00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:50.799
Grief lightning.

00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:55.519
I think they have sex again up against a wall in his apartment.

00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:57.200
Yeah, that's later, isn't it?

00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:58.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:58.080 --> 00:14:58.399
They do.

00:14:58.480 --> 00:14:58.639
Yeah.

00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.039
But like Is that when he's got an ice pick back at his house?

00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:02.080
He's like, every sound.

00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:08.799
But he's seen her, he's seen her use the ice pick before they fuck, and then he he's like really ham-fisted trying to do it, and she's like, Who's got an ice pick?

00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:10.799
I mean do you know what I've never seen one in the world?

00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:12.799
And everyone's got one in this movie.

00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:19.039
They just put a carrot bag full of water into the freezer and then they get that out and then they just hammer away it.

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What a fucking mess.

00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:20.159
Yeah.

00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:21.039
Barbarians.

00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:22.320
Have they not got ice trays?

00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:25.200
I guess it was before ice trays were invented.

00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:26.559
Ice trays in the 80s.

00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:26.799
Yeah.

00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:27.200
Yeah.

00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:28.159
I don't know.

00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.480
We had in communist Romania ice trays.

00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:35.279
So a machine that could even produce ice in in cube shapes.

00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.000
The man case just about everything.

00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.080
There is an ice pick up there, like you can see it.

00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:46.159
It's not for for the bar, but do you know you can use it for the bar if you want to?

00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:48.240
Big ice, if we had big ice.

00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:52.399
And I know we often bullshit, but there genuinely is an ice pick there, isn't there?

00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:52.720
Yeah.

00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:59.120
Do you know that there was a collector's edition DVD released in 2001 that came with a small replica ice pick?

00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:01.679
Wasn't the only thing that came with this DVD.

00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:03.360
Nice memento to have at the moment.

00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:09.440
Mostly came on the DVD, but She's like, like you say, she's like grief stricken.

00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:09.759
Yeah.

00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:11.360
But still kind of manipulating him.

00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:11.840
Yeah.

00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:14.080
Which she just carries on doing throughout the movie.

00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:14.480
Yeah.

00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:15.679
Because he's a dick.

00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:16.159
Yeah.

00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:17.200
The moron.

00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:19.279
I just can't remember, like.

00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:26.320
It's it's still more red herrings of like when he finds out the he reads the book and it's about him.

00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:31.360
Yeah, so all the all the while she is simultaneously writing a book about him, calls him shooter.

00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:31.679
Yeah.

00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:32.559
Shoot him again.

00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:33.200
About him.

00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.919
And so the plot of the film is what plays out in the plot of her book.

00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:38.240
Yeah.

00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:42.960
And as soon as she has finished the book, she's she's claims to be finished with him.

00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:43.519
Yeah.

00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.480
And he's grown quite obsessed by this point.

00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:51.840
Someone his partner, so he's he's off the case, but his partner is into it.

00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.000
And I couldn't work this bit out when I was watching it.

00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:59.519
So he goes into this building to get her.

00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:00.320
Yeah.

00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:04.960
But both the psychiatrist and Catherine are there.

00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:06.480
Are they not?

00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:11.920
Yeah, well, because Catherine has set the psychiatrist up, so it's Catherine who stabs it, even though we're told, yeah.

00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:12.960
Do we know that?

00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:18.960
Well, because it's there ever because this I'm Yes, the shot of the ice pick at the end confirms it.

00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:19.440
Does it?

00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:19.759
Yeah.

00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:20.160
Okay.

00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:21.839
I think I'm pretty sure that they're not going to be able to do it.

00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.400
I still thought I never I still watched it this time, I wasn't really sure.

00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.400
Anyway, the the elevator opens and his partner is like ice picked to death.

00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:32.720
Yeah.

00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.160
By somebody in an FBI jacket or whatever their SBI jacket.

00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:36.480
Yeah, yeah.

00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:42.000
That's right, because there's a the wig and the jacket left behind as a sort of fake clue.

00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.799
But he's I didn't really still don't get this bit.

00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:49.599
Nick's looking up from the car at the building and realizes that his partner's about to be killed.

00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:50.240
He's been stabbed.

00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.079
And you're like, how do you know that didn't happen?

00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:52.720
I don't know.

00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:52.960
Yeah.

00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.599
It's because he's put together two and two about Garner because of all this stuff Elizabeth Garner that he's written.

00:17:57.759 --> 00:17:58.720
So he goes up there, doesn't he?

00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:00.319
And he sees Jean Triplehorn.

00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:00.559
Yeah.

00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:05.839
She comes out and she is reaching into her pocket and he's like got blood on his hands.

00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.039
He's just found Gus dead.

00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:07.440
That's right.

00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:12.720
And she comes round the corner and she doesn't say, Oh, she's law officer.

00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.599
She should know how to handle Exactly, she should know how to handle this situation.

00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:17.519
He's clearly freaking out, there's blood all over his hands.

00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:22.559
And she goes, Oh no, I've got this, and then puts her hand in her pocket and he just shoots her, shoots her dead.

00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:28.559
And then she realizes in probably the most unlikely part of the movie, she was going to try and return his keys to him.

00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:29.519
It's got a Bart Simpson.

00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:32.160
It's got Bart Simpson on it because he watches The Simpsons.

00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:39.359
This guy who's who is who's remember a cop who does cocaine and drinks and all that, but he has to be at home at 7 pm to watch The Simpsons.

00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:40.400
Yeah.

00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:43.839
Yeah, it's all totally believable.

00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:45.680
I mean he's a loose canon, wasn't he, Nick?

00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:45.920
Yeah.

00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:52.240
You know, he's if anyone could do his cannons, then I only watched it like the other day, and I still can't remember what happens next.

00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:53.759
Because I can remember that they fuck again.

00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.000
Well, they find that they find a load of clues.

00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:06.319
It's all sort of neatly wrapped in a bow that it was Elizabeth Garner and she was obsessed with Catherine Tramell, and she was the one who'd stabbed a boyfriend, the old one back 20 years ago.

00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:07.279
With the ice big.

00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:17.359
And so it's all gonna be they've had this thing about what is it raised rug rats, even though Michael Douglas looks about 84 in this already, he's talking about having kids settling down.

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