Train Dreams

Train Dreams

Dan: You were just talking about The game of sperm

Reegs: become it was called.

it intrigued you, didn't

Dan: It did only because it made me think of a video game I've never played. Having been through immigration a lot in the last few weeks with my travels, there was a game.

That you got to play a customs guy. Did you ever hear that game?

Reegs: Is that the game that you're talking about? An immigration one where you

Dan: it may have been. It was like real basic graphics and things and you

Reegs: papers, please. It's called had

Dan: like decipher who was. Able to come into your country and who

Sidey: sounds awful.

Reegs: No, it was apparently really like gripping because Oh, really? Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. It was cleverly made and people, you, you

Sidey: I take it all back.

Dan: you just had to spot a few things were wrong in the form or whatever. It was the way that they spoke to you. And you didn't want, let it wrong vong an into your country and and let the right ones in.

Sidey: Yeah. Okay.

Reegs: Alright. Farage. Just

Cris: I was gonna say, this is very topical these [00:01:00] days,

Dan: No, that's it. You know, that's what we're all about, isn't it?

Sidey: anyone like a walking football update? It's been a while

Reegs: Oh, please.

Cris: do need to know

Dan: Tell you what,

thriller

Sidey: Dan and I have been away.

Yeah. And the results obviously tailed off while we weren't there. Didn't really get, they

Dan: actually really did

Sidey: They did. They had two drawers. And. One of those was a cup games that they did go through on penalties, but they didn't win the league game. So anyway, big guns were back yesterday and we were playing Madeira fc.

Oh.

Reegs: Oh, it's the top of the title.

Dan: Well, they're a good

Sidey: No, it's not. They're, they're fourth. I think we're second. But we started with strong. We against run. The play went one nil down.

Dan: Intensity levels were really high.

Sidey: We actually played well. And,

Dan: went one nil down.

Sidey: one nil down and went one nil down against run the play.

An error at the back and then deflected off me. Went in one nil. And it was one of those games where we were battering them and it looked like. You know, you could play all day. We weren't gonna score. Yeah. A penalty was missed. Oh,

Reegs: Oh,

Dan: sorry. Someone Yeah.

Sidey: ref's fault though. Ref, we're blaming the ref.

Dan: He, he, he did make me [00:02:00] move my feet uncomfortably. So, but it was a bad miss 'cause it's a penalty.

Sidey: And then five or so, maybe a little, a little bit more than five minutes ago, six, seven minutes to go. And we got an equalizer.

Yeah, we, the intensity went up another notch. And we scored, but the referee blew his whistle before the ball went in to give, I think he was gonna give us a penalty.

Okay.

Then because the ball went in and the keeper dive, he tried to save it. Like he had, I genuinely don't think it affected the keeper,

Cris: there's no bigger advantage than the goal. Right. So, so if he scored,

Sidey: then he, we were like, Pete was getting mentor, like, on the site. 'cause I was, I'd been subed by this point.

And Pete was like, I said, no, no, let's give it, he's give it. We were all surprised 'cause he, he had, he definitely changed his mind from whatever he was gonna do. He gave the goal. So they were a bit annoyed. A bit

Dan: They were just a bit

Sidey: It was just a bit annoyed, but it was one-on-one and we were on three.

Runs. So one runaway from giving penalty away, they hit the post. They were still in the game. They hit the post to, to make, to maybe make it two, one. Then like, so Hesi got the first, then Dan [00:03:00] scored a couple like bang, bang real quick, and then they were just disgruntled goat and completely lost it. Then we, we managed to get a fourth.

Dan got his hat trick. And they, they heads just, they stopped. They just fo, they literally fo their arms and stood on pitch.

Dan: Didn't even want to

Sidey: so when it, when it, when they kicked off, the one guy just did a few kick ups and booted the ball out. So we got it. Just walked, just walked round, just kicked in.

Dan: And then Pete

Sidey: and then Pete did the same for the last time. So from being wandered down with five to go, we went, we won the game. Six one,

Reegs: They conceded two goals in sort of protest, just standing

Sidey: with, yeah,

Reegs: arms. That's fucking

Cris: that's Portuguese. Even at the 11 aside, we've played numerous times against Portuguese teams throughout the year here

Sidey: general, they weren't all at it.

A couple of the guys were really annoyed with them

Dan: I did, I did try and say to them, boys is walking football. You know, you're not gonna get every decision. You're not gonna agree with every decision, but it's walking football,

Sidey: you're out here. You might as well play

Reegs: It's serious stuff, lads. Come on.

Sidey: So anyway back on track, basically thanks to me Good.

Although, [00:04:00] although when I was on the pitch we were losing

Reegs: Yeah.

But

Sidey: of course. Over that six

Cris: Look at the same time you can imagine a game if Pete scores, what, what's going on in the game?

Dan: I

Reegs: able to score when the entire team was

Sidey: had stopped.

Yeah.

And that one of our guys about was shouting total football. So that

Dan: Yeah.

So it was, it was all good lows and football was the real winner,

Sidey: guess.

It was. Yeah. Always. Flight in-flight entertainment. Did you watch

Dan: Yeah. Watch. DiCaprio new one.

Reegs: One battle after another.

Dan: bat laughter another one bat after another.

Reegs: I'm gonna do that for pod, so

Dan: Okay. Well, I, I'll look forward to chipping in more about that.

But it's a long old film. You are a captive audience on a plane. 'cause you can't get up and walk anywhere.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Particularly when you're in the, in the, in the middle seat. The

Sidey: from Laia was saying even if this on a plane, people would walk out.

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: No, I, I didn't, I didn't feel it was, any, I mean, I watched the whole thing.

There was other things to watch

Sidey: you know,

Dan: the best [00:05:00] movie he's ever made. No. But it certainly taps into something and probably quite topical. And although it

At times, maybe 'cause it, was it John Paul Anderson or someone like

Sidey: that?

Paul

Reegs: Thomas. Paul Thomas Anderson,

Dan: taught, yeah. So Hans Christian Anderson. It, it was, but also tried to be a little more Quentin Tarantino in parts, you know, I dunno, the writing just tried to.

Be a bit more punchy and,

Reegs: and

yeah. It's basically, I dunno, I haven't seen it a bit more jokey and a bit more violent as well.

Dan: Yeah, it was reminded me more of a, a Tarantino kind of thing going on, but decent. And the other one I watched was Palm Springs again.

Sidey: Oh yeah. The

Dan: just 'cause, yeah, just 'cause it was a nice, easy one to watch. And I watched the Bruce Springsteen movie

Cris: Yeah, I watched that.

Dan: I found out later that's on Disney, so I could have watched that at home. Yeah. But I really liked that. I know that it is, had some mixed [00:06:00] reviews.

Reegs: You didn't like it, did you?

Sidey: I mean, I, I already knew the story about the, the record and all the love story stuff they put in is fabricated. So and it's quite slow. So I think that I'd rather just listen to the album, but it does a good, like Bruce

Dan: he does

Cris: does a good impression.

Yeah. I, I don't know. I didn't know the story. I didn't know much. I knew a few of the songs because, but I'm not educated musically as we all know. But I, I did enjoy the film and

Dan: Yeah. I, it was I thought it was a brilliant performance by him. And I liked his relationship with his kind of a and r man, or his producer or his agent or whatever it was.

Just the way that.

An artist, you know, that he's, he's absolutely wasn't in it for,

Sidey: he just back him, you know? That's true.

Dan: Yeah. He, he back

Sidey: Jeremy Strong, they're from

Cris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Sidey: whatever. And he Yeah, that's true. Like, they were obviously the label, like, we need to hit, we need to, you know, we need to capitalize on your set's.

Like, nah man, I'm doing this like, acoustic

Dan: Yeah. Really running against the [00:07:00] grain.

And against, you know, he had, like born in the USA and they're all like fucking, oh, that is the, you know, they're just at that scene where they're just like shaking their head 'cause it did not sound like that on their demo track. And he's like, how the fuck has he got from that

Reegs: to that

Dan: to nah. And you know, the way he just sing.

Yeah. But he wasn't

Reegs: band in it. Yeah.

Sidey: Are they, well, I mean,

Dan: they're there,

Sidey: John Acter as the E Street band.

Reegs: Is it? Who plays? They're,

Sidey: they're sort of in it for a few

Cris: Yeah. You don't really get,

Sidey: it's really about the acoustic vibes.

Dan: Yeah. And just the way he lays his demo track and the way that he's just. Trying to get this sound that all the modern equipment can't get.

And eventually he gets this old vinyl kind of preist sheen doesn't, he goes, yeah, that's, that's the so it made me quite excited to listen. Excited to listen to some Bruce music again, to be honest. But I. Yeah, that was, that was pretty much the viewing over, I then switched over to [00:08:00] who wants to be a Millionaire on the, on the games.

'cause you know, when you have, you haven't got quite enough time to watch another movie. Yeah. But

Reegs: how far did you get

Dan: was I got 64 which isn't that. Great.

Sidey: They don't give you the money either, I

Dan: No.

Reegs: What, so you cashed out and you didn't

Sidey: a bit

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. I thought I was going up, moving up to first class.

Like

Sidey: That's

Cris: when you get to a

Dan: Yeah,

Yeah. I did have a million a previous flight.

2 million? Yeah. Yeah. Won a million a couple of times on a previous flight, but that we were all chipping in. There was like four of us all going. yeah, that was flight time anyway.

Sidey: What about you, Chris? You've been not been around. Have you watched much?

Cris: Well, to be fair, this I watched the Bruce Springsteen thing, but I think I watched that at home because, only because now I remember watching it and I watched it with Kara because we went to your party, well, your other half's party on Saturday, and she made a new playlist for the car.

And there's six Bruce rinsing songs. And I was just like, what [00:09:00] is going on here? She's like, yeah, and there's only about 25 songs on the whole thing. So I was just like, she's like, yeah, I just like his music now. I was like, alright, okay, well, well done. So I watched that, I watched the DiCaprio thing on the, on the flight and I watched all the Batmans, Batman Begins Batman of

Sidey: Oh, the trilogy. Yeah,

Cris: yeah, yeah, yeah. All, all three of them. and I watched something else, but because I've

Dan: how long was your flight?

Cris: no, because I, I was in the hotel room for quite

Dan: long Oh, right, okay.

Cris: I was, and, but because I was on so many painkillers, I don't really, it wasn't anything into, I was just like,

Dan: painkillers drinking.

Sidey: Yeah. That's, well, I'm on the flight. I, I don't wanna watch anything new or anything that I really, really wanna

Cris: I didn't drink.

Dan: I know.

Sidey: I like something I can just sort of have on and not have to constrain

Cris: I watched the first three episodes of Landman. With bili Billy, Bob and,

Sidey: yeah,

Dan: Billy, Billy Bob,

Cris: to be fair Tino recommended he's, I look, mate, just watch that.

It's easy. It's not, you kind of breeze through it and it's fine. The only thing I I, [00:10:00] another oil thing.

Sidey: Yeah. It's the same dude that does all the Yellowstone all that.

Cris: is it okay? Yeah. But I don't, I don't, didn't do any reviews. I didn't read anything. And I've only watched three episodes. I'm probably gonna finish at some point.

What, whoever invented this, what they've done is every woman that I've seen in this series is fit and it's in their bikinis

Sidey: Hey, it's got Ally Lar, isn't it?

She was in

Dan: what's the name of this again?

Cris: Landman.

Sidey: Landman. It's on Prime, I think. What? Or Paramount? Maybe Oh, is it

now?

Cris: It's on

Dan: it's on tv.

Cris: was original.

Sidey: watch it on the screen? Yeah,

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: original Paramount. Anyway, that,

Sidey: Anything for you, Riggs?

Reegs: I dunno if I talked about this last time, but Wonderman, I

Sidey: watched Oh yeah.

Reegs: the Disney series. I enjoyed that. It's good little sort of the studio inspired, I think a little bit, right? Lowest stakes, personal drama, a little bit of superhero fair.

The actors are really good. And it's mostly just about the. The lead to in their relationship sort of thing. So that's pretty

Sidey: I'm gonna check that out. Yeah, I watched is this thing on. Oh

will,

Reegs: Annette, the John [00:11:00] Bishop story.

Sidey: It's weird. I mean, it it,

Cris: that the comedian? Yeah.

Right. Okay. So

Sidey: they take his story and they transplant it into New York City. And yeah, I enjoyed it. I don't. Enjoy the bits so much where they start talking like therapists about their fucking marriage together.

Right. I just don't, that's so American. I'm just not, I would never communicate like that. But anyway I love Will Annette, and that was good. And I've been watching the Lowdown, which I might have mentioned before, but I think you down, we really like it. It's Ethan Hawke.

Dan: Yeah. Okay. He

Sidey: on Disney's fucking brilliant.

And this week I started watching Barry.

good.

Reegs: I, I watched the first three seasons

Sidey: yeah, I think it's four. I, so I,

Reegs: There's four. I, sorry. Yeah, I need to watch the last one.

Sidey: It's funny's really good and he's great.

Yeah,

Reegs: Bill Haer is

Sidey: And the writing, and it's

Reegs: what's his is the the fucking bald guy.

I've forgotten his name.

Dan: Kojack, No,

Reegs: No.

I've forgotten his fucking name. The, he's really bald, so if he's not in it yet. But

Sidey: Well, there's a Chechen guy who's bald.

there. it's sort of like Camp

Reegs: Yeah. He's fucking brilliant. That guy. That character is so funny.

Sidey: Yeah, so I've been [00:12:00] enjoying that. That

was good.

too.

Reegs: the guy who plays his handler as well is really good. They're all really good in that actually.

Sidey: Yeah, the writing's great. 'cause I've been watching loads of things ahead of just talking about stuff and I'm like, this guy's like fucking so clued up. And he is funny as fuck. So

Reegs: has it got to anything really violent yet?

Sidey: Well, he just like murders a chein, like hit crew in the second episode. Like ruthlessly

Reegs: some proper like, it's like, really? Have you seen it? No. It's like really funny. And then it's got like really

Sidey: is that he's a hit man and his, he's given a job at the start of series one and this guy is like some shitty actor in an acting class, and he follows him into his acting class and then just gets like hooked on this acting thing.

And he is obviously having like a bit of an existential thing about, I don't wanna just go around killing people. So then it's like this hit man. And, and he, he

Reegs: He was a former Marine, but it's got like, so he's, it's really funny. Henry

Cris: it called Barry?

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Henry Winkler's in it. But it's got great action scenes in it as well, like really well directed, like proper action scenes in it.

There's one later on where the guy from Chad Eski, whatever it was, Keanu Reeves' [00:13:00] stunt double. They have like a five minute one take fight in his house and stuff like, it's really good.

Sidey: Yeah. I'm enjoying that. It's good. Strong recommend.

We put up I think you put up example, a poll for this week's choice. And we landed on

Reegs: train Dreams.

Yeah. Chris said he'd already seen it. You're a massive fan of logging anyway. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. I love a good

Dan: and I read about it.

Cris: I

was gonna ask you, what do you mean by I read about it,

Dan: the people write reviews on films

Reegs: It was Oscar nominated, wasn't it? So

Sidey: this, this lot of Oscars, yeah. Upcoming. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: And I may have,

Sidey: it's

Dan: I dunno if it got reviewed by Kermode as well.

Reegs: Probably it's an Oscar nominated movie.

Dan: I might have

Sidey: Joel Edge

Dan: seen that as well.

Reegs: I like him.

Yeah,

Sidey: I do as

Cris: Yeah. Yeah, I like

Reegs: He's generally really good in anything I see him in

Dan: one. One other thing before we go on to train dreams is that I'd seen, I've just remembered on the flight over was with Bob Odenkirk.

Nobody too.

Reegs: I didn't like that.

Dan: No, it wasn't as good as the

Reegs: first one was really

Dan: I mean, the first one was just [00:14:00] surprising, wasn't

Reegs: it? Yeah.

Dan: you and this one lent into it a little bit more, but it was plain watchable. You know,

Sidey: that's probably the ideal scenario. Yeah. For that type of movie, I'd

Dan: yeah. Just don't want to concentrate

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: on anything too yeah, train

Reegs: Train dreams. It was based on a, a novel. Or a novella by a guy called Dennis Johnson adapted into a film by Clint Bentley and Greg Qar.

And

Dan: his act, his actual name is Den Jono, if you know him quite well. Yeah.

Reegs: Oh, Jono. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's a Netflix only release, I think.

Sidey: It must have had to get Oscar, Oscar must have had a week in the theaters. It has to have a theatrical release. Okay. So they would've like cheated the system by putting it out for a day or something?

Reegs: Yeah, yeah,

For it to get Oscar Noms and it's a kind of peaceful,

Sidey: meditative. Yeah.

Reegs: existential movie about a fairly unremarkable life of a logger in the sort of early 20th century.

Dan: It's like a a, a loggers Patterson.

Reegs: [00:15:00] Yeah. Yeah. And if I had to compare it to anything, and I don't, so fuck you. But it would be tree of Life probably.

Sidey: I think I always get this wrong, but I think it starts with a kind of like a dolly shot.

On the railroad tracks of a tunnel with a voiceover about the guy's life. And it's, even the voiceover is quite just like,

Cris: it's

slow.

Reegs: Will Patton is doing the voiceover, and if you've ever listened to any good audio book on Audible, will Patton will have almost certainly done it for you. Because he's got an amazing voice. This guy.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: have actually been listening to loads of audio books recently, but it's the BBC Ari ones,

Reegs: Okay.

Dan: With No, it's not him. It's not him, but it's good guess. And they were amazing. But

Reegs: He's really good anyway. Yeah. He is narrating and like you say, we come out that, I think the second shot is a pair of boots nailed to a tree that will get

Cris: That, that was kind of overgrown into the tree or the tree's overgrown on top of the boots.

Reegs: and we'll see later in the film the explanation for why those [00:16:00] boots are there and indeed how they got there earlier. Because this is a movie that's kind of about time and what it does, you know, you see the, the whole of time and all that sort of stuff.

So yeah, we're gonna get basically the life story of Robert Granger. And we see him, he doesn't even know what year he was born or who his parents were. His first memory is being shunted off on a train to a kind of frontier ish town.

Sidey: Yeah. So at first I, you know, it like, oh, it's a western, you know, it's like set in the wild west weather and he don't kind of know immediately like how, where you are in the timeline of like America.

Reegs: No, exactly. It's quite, it's very isolated

about

Sidey: that. And it's later on, like certainly towards the end when you see like. The progression of things.

Reegs: Yeah. Well, and they talk about the war and that sort of thing. So you suddenly realize

Sidey: yeah, I thought it was like right at the very, you know, like proper frontiers people.

Yeah. Yeah. But maybe a bit further on than

Reegs: he talks about his earliest memory being the sudden mass deportation of a hundred [00:17:00] Chinese people. Yeah. In his local town. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And he sort of just

He does nothing really with his life. Just aims, you know, ambles through it, working and that sort of

Sidey: doesn't know what he wants to do. He's not educated. Yeah. I guess like hardly anyone was at that point. He doesn't know what to do and eventually he meets a girl. And they have a romance.

Reegs: Gladys, it's Felicity Jones from rogue One. You any

Dan: get any Gladys these days, do you?

Reegs: no.

Cris: no, it's a,

Reegs: It's a, well this was back in 1917, so, so

Dan: an old timing name.

Cris: that was very fashionable probably then. Not now.

Reegs: They meet at church and she's fairly bold like talking to him and within three months, you know,

Cris: Well, yeah, because he's the new guy in town, right. So she's like,

oh. mate,

What's your name? Yeah. Whatever.

Sidey: Mm.

Reegs: And they're married and kid on the way and it's blissful love.

You know, they're building a cabin out in Idaho. They've got an acre of land and everything's perfect. And then he [00:18:00] has to go off to work.

Cris: Well, yeah, there's logging

Sidey: of a commute.

Cris: No, it's logging season. So he, he needs to go to cut the trees, make the money for them to,

Sidey: There's a cool shot where they've got the camera on the tree as it

Cris: Yeah.

As it falls down. Yeah,

Sidey: not like that. Yeah.

Reegs: he's working for the Spokane International Railway. They're building a railway line. He's logging and build laying girders and stuff. And he's working with, there's a load of Chinese guys working there. That was a, it was a thing obviously, that they helped build the American Railroad and then suddenly this guy that he's soaring with.

They, they working together is just carted off for no reason.

what? What's he done?

What's he done? What's he done? You couldn't help but think of ice and stuff. Could you, where are you taking him? What you doing? He's Yeah,

Sidey: To,

Cris: and even the guy

Reegs: there's an ambiguous,

Cris: dunno what he did. He must have done something.

Reegs: but there is an ambiguous moment where he goes to grab his legs and you're not sure whether he's helping to carry him or.

Trying to restrain him. Either way, it's not, and this moment it's important 'cause it will haunt him for the rest of his life. 'cause they cut him off and just throw him off the, the

Cris: off

[00:19:00] the bridge. Yeah. This

Reegs: guy and he, you know, this moment that he didn't

Sidey: hear him scream as he is thrown off. Obviously killed. Yeah. And never really gets

Reegs: rest of his life.

He'll have visions of the guy and all sorts of stuff. So yeah. That's, that was fun.

Cris: Yeah. And then he goes back, his daughter grows, keeps

Sidey: going.

Yeah. It's a kind

Cris: they have some nice moments where, and the narration goes through that as well. Like when he returns this happened when, and now

Sidey: they have sort of, I don't know how long the logging season is, but let's say they have six months at home. Yeah. That, you know, he is made enough money for the, and they, and then, but he's, he's getting annoyed.

Well, he's just. Unhappy because he has to leave and he misses so much while he is away.

Reegs: Yeah. And

Sidey: his wife feels the same.

Reegs: He feels disconnected when he comes back from working and he feels like he's missing out on his daughter's

Sidey: doesn't he? Say I, I've spent three months working with someone and neither of us spoke a word to each other.

Reegs: Well, there's an amazing sequence where you see these guys. Yeah. You see, because he likes the men that he works with.

There's a guy that didn't speak for two months and then they include him one time and he, [00:20:00] what do you think about that, Jerry? And he's like, can't a guy just manage mind his own business? And he storms off? That was it. That was his only interaction. Some of the other guys, there's the old guy played by William h

Cris: Yes.

Yeah, he was, yeah. It was funny. There was the guy that gets chased by some black guy. He is like, ah, you saw, does anyone know so and so and so

Reegs: there's a talkative ex pastor

Cris: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

and

Reegs: suddenly this black guy turns up and just fucking basically executes him there for murdering

Cris: It was quite funny because after that he just goes, make sure he's dead. And he's like, if anyone has any problems with me, you, I don't wanna look

Sidey: You sort it out now. Yeah.

Cris: Tell me now. I don't wanna look over my shoulder for the rest of my life.

And everybody just kind of looks at him. He is like, I'll guess I'll be on my way then.

Reegs: And there's another guy on William h Macy's character, he's an explosives expert. He's like the oldest guy there. He is sort of almost Abe Simpson Onion on my belt type stories sometimes.

Sidey: he just sits there while they're grafting his own and just like spins yarns and they're like, you did some fucking work. [00:21:00] Yeah.

Reegs: And he grows close to him and, you know, they form a relationship and all that sort of stuff.

And they, he wants to be closer to home, doesn't he? So they're trying to build a saw

Sidey: is Gladys is feeling the same. And she, she says, well, why don't I come with you? You know, next time you go off to do your season, I'll come with you. And he's like, he, he's not, it is not that he doesn't want her to go, he does wanna be together with his family.

It's like, this is not like the place to be raised in the family, or, you know,

Cris: it's dangerous. There's, yeah,

Sidey: It's fucking lawless. Do you know what I mean? So they're trying to like figure something out where they can be together. So they do come up with this plan to. Do another season and she's gonna do a bit of extra baking and, you know, just like scrape as much money as they can and then they're gonna build a sawmill.

Reegs: But there's a tragic incident where on William h Macy's character, his sort of almost mentor figure, remember he is not had a father in his life. He's just given this great speech about how they should be careful of what they're doing. They're cutting down trees that are 500 years old and that takes a toll on the soul.

And then he's killed by a falling branch.

Sidey: It's really horribly slow [00:22:00] as well. Yeah. I thought he was dead instantly. And then they go to him and he is still conscious and he, oh, it's, but they, the, the narration makes it explicit that he is, this is what kills him. Yeah. But it's, it takes days of him just like deteriorating and like losing it.

And, but his speech, he died before he'd been hit by the bright stone. His speech about the trees and cutting down these things that are four or 500 years old had definitely had a, had an effect on Joel Ton's cat, I forget his name. He's thinking, he's thinking shit.

Reegs: Well, he's beginning to think he's a bit cursed, right?

'cause he's got visions of the Chinese guy. This stuff has happened. There's been a load of other deaths. We've seen some other horse people were killed with some as well. So there's a lot of it around, and it all, you know, on his mentor kind of thing is gone as well. So he'll go, he'll be worried and have visions and he'll race back home.

And the train on the. Train on the way back home.

Sidey: like a noise

Reegs: billowing smoke and that, and the whole town where he lives is burned

Cris: And the whole mountain is not just the whole town, it's like the whole mountain is on

Sidey: Massive

wildfire

Reegs: so he races back to his cabin, which [00:23:00] is just burning.

Sidey: it's a beau like I know it's like fire, but it's like beautiful shot of the

gaff is

Dan: family. The family.

Reegs: Yeah, well amazingly really, I mean, we'll spend the next 10 or 15 minutes of the movie sort of waiting for them, hoping they might come back, him losing himself and, you know in grief and all

Cris: it's also a combination of reality and hallucination for

Reegs: hallucinations as well.

Cris: because he, he hears them in the woods and he sometimes sees his daughter running behind a tree or, but.

They

Sidey: he says it's, but they don't

Reegs: off screen. It's quite a bold choice really. They could do just die in this thing off screen never resolved.

You feel as like unresolved as he does. 'cause you, nobody ever explicitly comes out. He'll just have a moment later where he accepts it.

Sidey: He meets another lady. He gives her a ride, doesn't he?

Cris: Yeah, yeah,

Sidey: yeah, yeah.

yeah. And it's not till he has, he goes back to see her, so he, he drops her off and they go, kind

Reegs: he has that conversation with this Ignacio, is that his name?

The guy who owns the shop. He's the one where [00:24:00] he finally sort of breaks down and cries in front

Sidey: yeah, but it, if it is with her though, when he says, is it with her? With him, when he says that he sees them, he sees, and especially his daughter,

Reegs: it to

Sidey: he says it to her and he says, I don't, I don't interact and I don't speak because I don't wanna scare them away.

And you're like,

Reegs: yeah, I know. Yeah.

Sidey: bad.

Cris: But then also after the fire, he builds the house exactly how it was.

Reegs: Yeah. To wait for them to come back. Exactly on

Cris: Exactly on the same spot, the same way he just said, I think he didn't do the kids' bedroom or something like that. The rest, everything is done exactly

Sidey: the

Reegs: And there are a little, there's often things like thing that, not that notion of like things being revisited over time. Is there, throughout the movie all the time, the, the bridge that he's built that they, you know. Takes 11 miles off the journey and everyone is celebrating as this great triumph. A a few years later they open like another bigger bridge just down the road and his bridge was superfluous, that sort of thing.

Like all that labor and all that time and all that sacrifice. And because they transition from him talking about that to him driving in a car across, it's great. [00:25:00] So we are kind of. Coming near the end, he's met her. He started to rebuild his life a little bit.

Cris: And then

he has a vision about his daughter.

Reegs: He buys a horse and car, doesn't he? Oh, we've done that. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. The end, like towards the end he sees the vision of his daughter. He, and you don't know I, for me, I dunno, I didn't think if, if it's real or not,

Reegs: It's a very strange scene,

Cris: Yeah. Because he just shows a beaten up girl.

Reegs: He finds her out by fire, doesn't he?

Cris: Just outside. Outside his door. And it's a beaten up girl. That is a teenage girl. And he brings her in, caresses her, calls her, I dunno, Julia, Kate, Kate, whatever.

Reegs: She's credited as Kate in the in the

Cris: in the credit, in the credits. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: interesting.

Cris: then the next morning he wakes up,

Reegs: she's got a broken leg and he's like, oh, just hang on, I need to do this a minute.

And then there's a noise

Sidey: just for a second. Yeah. What the

Reegs: what the fuck was that?

Cris: And

then in the morning he wakes up and there's no trace

Sidey: it. Shit. No, no,

Reegs: No, but the window is open, so it's left very ambiguous as to what's happened.[00:26:00]

losing his mind

Cris: And that's just kind of him getting older, getting older, getting older

Reegs: well, he decides to live in his cabin that he's rebuilt for the, you know, waiting for his family essentially for the rest of his life. But he does go into the city. Yeah, he does see, there's a bit of March of progress time now. 'cause we're now 19, the late

Sidey: 19, oh wait, it is the space race. So they see them

Reegs: they see them in, they see John

Sidey: he's looking at a telly in, in a shot window or

Reegs: He says to the lady, what's that man doing?

Sidey: And he is obviously got, because everything's been just rural, just out in the, in the fucking, in the states properly in the woods.

Reegs: And it feels like a shock in the movie. 'cause the whole

Sidey: he's, and he's looking

Reegs: suddenly you're in a

Sidey: Like I, I don't think it's necessarily the moon landing. Is it? It's just

Reegs: No, it's the first space. Flight man. Space

Sidey: And he's obviously got no context. Like there's no fucking way he could possibly understand it.

Yeah. And he's just looking at this thing and he can tell, he is just have a fucking clue what's going on. Yeah.

Reegs: He's an old

Sidey: man out of time and space and whatever.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Just in, in a different, completely different era though, it sounds like, you know, [00:27:00] you've got people who have been working on the railways and,

Sidey: But then you think about, you know, how much

Reegs: happened in their lifetime, the

Sidey: So you've gone from like the 19, the teens to, to this late sixties and how much fucking boom of progress and, and technology had moved on in, in that. Probably similar for, you know, not, not the same, but

Dan: 10. Not that probably that much difference from

Sidey: first world war up to then,

Dan: or

1880 or something like that. You know

Reegs: it's about to

Dan: but then it booms. Yeah.

Reegs: about to

Dan: That revolution, you know, and it may happen in that same kind

Sidey: the trees. It look better.

Dan: We'll, we'll all be in a video game soon.

Sidey: And then he's, he has a flight. He gets in an airplane.

Reegs: He does. He sees a, a biplane there. And you know, there's some triumphant stuff here about it sort of allows seeing the world from this perspective of sort of allows him to it essentially.

And

Sidey: He kind of smiled the first time in since I think his family were around. Yeah. He

Reegs: And then we are told he died in his sleep, I think in [00:28:00] 1968.

Sidey: And then we see the cabin and the, it's all overgrown and it's all

Reegs: been

Sidey: reclaimed by the, by nature. Yeah.

Dan: Wow.

Reegs: and that was it.

Yeah. So

Dan: Oscar nominated a solid

Reegs: Not for Joel Eggerton, though, who I think would've

Sidey: like in

Reegs: the absolute reason to be Oscar nominated. 'cause he's superb in it. It looks great, by the way as well. It's sort of natural lighting the whole way through. Yeah. And big wide shots Lit well, lovely stuff. And romantic, not quite, you know, a bit melancholy, bit romantic

yeah.

But really superb and a great song by Nick Cave at the end.

Sidey: Yeah, I was gonna say, the score is excellent. Really, really good.

Dan: You might. Okay. Yeah. It,

Cris: yeah. I like this. Yeah, I like this. I, I don't really like necessarily slow films and that, but I do always like, because like you, I thought it was a Western at the beginning, and I was like, oh, I'll, I'll, I'll watch this because it's, it must be good [00:29:00] because it's a western calm go wrong with a western for me.

And then when it kind of went like that, I was like, okay. But I've also read stories about. The life in the west and frontier and all

Dan: that. Well, it's a different type of life in

Sidey: it's, it's still a Western, I would say. And they nick, they or they use the, there's like the famous shot from the searches where John Wayne's outside of the doorway and it's framed of him being outside of it.

Reegs: of course. Yeah.

Sidey: use that motif quite a lot in this. Maybe just a little nod

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: Yeah, sort

Sidey: of stuff. So,

Reegs: Oh yeah. That's

Dan: and it, yeah. I mean, it, it's, it's an interesting. You always see like the, you know, the Cowboys and Indians side of Western, I guess. But there is those people that have had those real jobs and, but what a hard life.

What a, you know, a hard

Cris: this is why when you say, oh, he's not doing much with his life.

But again, that,

Reegs: on. He's

Cris: was the time. No, it's not. It's not. You can't move on

Reegs: No, he couldn't 'cause of his

Cris: he couldn't move on. But those were the times you, you were, it's a hard life. You, you grow up without a family. You find a woman, you settle [00:30:00] down and you, you know how to cut trees. It's not like you go to school and you learn, or you sign to a computer

Dan: just gotta

Reegs: Well, you see that moment, right? Where he, as an older

Cris: Oh yeah. When he gives the

Reegs: back and they give him a chainsaw. He doesn't know how to use it. He needs, uses a saw, you know, and, and some younger guy comes past is like, you know, fuck it, granddad, I'll start it, or whatever.

Sidey: But it's also like all the graph that you are doing is really for the next generation. You're not even really gonna get to

benefit from

Reegs: even for the next generation. For

companies, they're pretty explicit

about that. When that guy dies and they're like, well, the corporation

Sidey: can't, yeah, same day. I would love to, I would love to give you a day off. But you

Reegs: they just like, all that stuff's in there about working for no fucking reason and all that stuff as

Dan: well,

Reegs: and it's only one hour, 48 minutes as well.

Dan: the bit you, you talked about there with William h Macy talking about trees being there for four or 500 years

Reegs: knew you'd resonate

Dan: You would think that people, there's no tv, there's no, you know, they might get a radio if they're lucky, and that would be sort of.

[00:31:00] Maximum entertainment, but otherwise you're in with nature. And when you are around huge trees like that and just in it does have, you know, a, a feeling, it does bring something to you. So it's nice that they mentioned that and you can almost feel that, well who else other than these people who are going through but have a heart about it still, you know, and reflect on,

Sidey: there's one of the younger ones that said, well, we just fucking plot more trees. And there's, I've been somewhere and there's a million trees and there'll always be trees and think, well,

Dan: 500 years old. Yeah.

Sidey: I think you'd

Reegs: well, you

Sidey: think you'd really enjoy this.

oh,

Reegs: oh, in fact, we didn't even talk about those shoes that were nailed on at the beginning. They're put there, when a logger dies, they nail their shoes to a tree. And so we've seen over the course of it, somebody's, somebody die, their shoes get nailed to a tree. The tree be reclaimed by nature, and the shoes, and then the tree be chopped down again.

again.

Cris: Yeah. Because he goes, he goes to the same place and he walks past and he sees the, the shoes, yeah, the, like the boots nailed to the tree, but kind of over the [00:32:00] tree overgrown.

And he just.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: you know, yeah, it's

Reegs: Lots of, lots of great touches like that. So I think you would

Dan: Yeah. Sounds like I would. Yeah. Okay.

Reegs: And it was a strong recommend from

Dan: me. Strong recommends.

Okay.

Reegs: recommend.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. Are we gonna be back to like normal service

Sidey: to normal next week? 'cause all the traveling and all the ING is over now for

Reegs: to get stuff in early so that

Dan: Hopefully we'll have another three walking points to talk about as well.

Sidey: do. Bottom of the league we're playing next week. Is it? Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Okay.

Sidey: But so yeah. Strong recommend for that.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: that's where it's at.