March 5, 2021

Little Big Man & The Unlisted

Little Big Man & The Unlisted
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Sidey's relentless bullying campaign finally pays off as Howie dramatically quits the show!

Is just one of the ways the mainstream media would have wilfully misreported the fact that our favourite shouty ginger paddle boarder has decided to take a well earned break in order to recharge his batteries. We have a surprise guest instead and whilst I won't give away who it is let's just say that he has:

  • featured on the pod before; 
  • not directed an amazing movie; 
  • not starred in a fascinating low budget sci-fi movie opposite Scarlett Johansson 

so keep your expectations even lower than usual.

This weeks Top 5, Movies of Colour, allows us to talk about a whole range of movies we've never mentioned on the podcast before, from bizarre Lynchian dreamscapes to a director with an unnatural interest in Brooke Shields. Not to be missed!

Dan was just a young man, barely into his 40's, when Arthur Penn's seminal Western Little Big Man was released in December 1970. Following the early life of 121 year old Jack Crabb (Dustin Hoffman), a man caught between two warring cultures and his sometimes desperate attempts to survive that divide. The Dads have mentioned their love of the western genre on the podcast before and with Faye Dunaway providing some visual relief this was sure to be a big hit.

Netflix's The Unlisted is an Australian sci-fi series aimed at children and young teenagers and features a cast of convincing child actors who weren't universally awful and a solid enough mystery to grab the Dads attention. Stay tuned for our review!

We love to hear from our listeners! By which I mean we tolerate it. Try us on twitter @dads_film, on Facebook Bad Dads Film Review or on our website

Until next time, we remain...

Bad Dads 


Little Big Man

Reegs:Couldn't about dad's film review with a Sidey Dan and a surprise guest appearance. Really very surprised for at least Dan and I or Peter, Andre. Hello, Peter.

Pete:Hi, have you done?

Reegs:Yeah. All right. Those are some decent looking headphones you've got on there. What's

Pete:you very much. They are. The Superman had phones of a five-year-old.

Reegs:good. They do look good. And this is genuinely the only headphones you could find. Isn't it.

Pete:the, these, so one of the bad dads Daniel Craven, he stole my headphones there at his house. I think you've got them there down. Yeah, yeah,

Reegs:known for that type of

Pete:so I don't have any other headphones other than, yeah. My five-year-old son, Superman ones, which are slightly too small for my head.

Reegs:Yeah. They look good. Those strong.

Pete:It's a strong luck.

Reegs:Yeah, there's a strong look. We're missing how he, this week. How he, when you hear this, I really hope to God. You've watched mortal combat. Anyway. Yeah, we miss you. We love you.

Sidey:he is missing. Well, you say that rigs, but I think it's mainly down to your bullying.

Reegs:Well, no, I was going to say your relentless bullying, you believed into like smart and few

Sidey:They would just film opinions, but your intros basically bullied him off the pod. And Pete has only just recovered from the relentless bullying to be able to make an appearance today

Pete:I've been in a lot of

Sidey:to look at. You need to look at your behaviors.

Reegs:Okay. That was more personal, like, cause that was in WhatsApp group chat. So that's like much more personal.

Pete:Yeah. I wish it had been behind my back. If I'm honest.

Reegs:Yeah. So what's what's everybody been watching this week?

Sidey:Oh, I watched something today, actually, that wasn't part of our homework assignments. It was the King of faves or the Kings of feeds.

Reegs:How many Kings were there?

Sidey:quite a few. It was the old Cockney crime caper with Michael Kay and Jim broadband. Well, that is the true story of them ripping off, not then, but the cat just ripping off her jewelry store something rather

Dan:well, yeah. Okay. That's come out a year or two ago. Did it,

Sidey:not 28, JJ. Bollix to be honest.

Dan:was it like, okay. Cause I followed the story. I remember

Sidey:is more interesting. The films,


Sidey:to be honest.

Dan:Right. Oh, that's a shame because I remember watching years and years ago it must have been a television film kind of thing they put on about the Brinks mat robbery.

That was an old gold robbery. I think it was. And I was hoping this would be in the same caliber of class. We have a little more comedic value because they're all older boys when they, that ended up well being, just thinking, Oh fuck it. We're we're to the age now where. We're going to go for it.

It doesn't matter if we're thrown away for the, you know, the in prison for 10 years, 20 years. Well, I need looking after anyway, otherwise I'll be on a beach in Acapulco or something.

Pete:you talking about yourself

Dan:Yes. Right. It goes through my

Reegs:this your retirement plan?

Dan:I'm trying to, I'm trying to hook up a few other people to do it with me as well.

Pete:I'm gay.


Reegs:to be holding up a little and then just legging

Sidey:one King street. You gotta go. You're in.

Dan:Honestly, I wouldn't get anywhere with a getaway. If I had to run anywhere, I'd just be like hobbling bad knees.  I did start watching just today, actually just this afternoon, black books. Have you ever seen that? The

Pete:Yes, we bill Bailey.

Dan:yeah. We're bill Bailey.

Pete:really, really good.

Dan:yeah. So I'm catching up, you know, it's 20 years bolster it's The first outing, but I'll give it a go sunny.

And I started watching it and even from the boy had a couple of logs. So we'll probably carry on watching it.

 Reegs:Pete. How far are you in the Soprano's?

Pete:right. So this, this was going to be, so what I've done is I've been absolutely burying the Soprano's it more so to try and get rigs to like me because he said, I need to, he was horrified when I said I hadn't watched it. I have got three episodes left of the whole thing.


Dan:you haven't


Pete:massive spoiler alert.

The last episode was, was the episode where we're Tony kills, Chris,

Reegs:Oh my God. Yeah,

Pete:his nose and lets him choke to death on his own blood. And that's right at the beginning of the episode

Reegs:yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pete:blindsided me. I had no, because you think, I mean, you're getting right towards the end now and I still have no idea how it finishes.

Who, who, who ends up dead, who does it and so on. But I would have thought that if, if someone like Chris who's been a constant all the way through, was going to go, it would have been like in, in, you know, in, in a more far more sort of glorious fashion than just being like. Fucking

Reegs:whereas Tony just sees his opportunity. Doesn't it? He knows that he's always been a problem for him. And. A weak link and the drugs are going to, Oh


Dan:ju I'm just coming up to that episode that Pete's talking about. So if you want to spoil any more of it

Pete:okay. I've


Pete:got a few, few more as well. Here's a spoiler for you. You've got my fucking headphones.

Dan:I knew that.

Pete:yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'd already spoiled that earlier in the podcast. No, but what a show? Soprano's I,

Reegs:Hey, it's unbelievable. Isn't it?

Pete:I, at some point I've said to rigs, like, we're just going to have to clear an evening and just talk about it.

It's fucking unbelievable.

Reegs:Yeah. I watched kickboxer vengeance, which was really good, but not as good as the surprise.

Sidey:I've got a bit of podcasts, bad dad news. Some equipment's arrived. We've got our

Reegs:Oh yeah,

Sidey:thing. It's not the road cast. It's the

Reegs:it's the ha isn't

Sidey:Yeah. It's like a, basically a mixing desk and I was playing around it last night. It's fucking cool.

Reegs:You going to send us a video of all the lights and stuff? Flushing.

Sidey:we'll do, as soon as we get into the man cave, you will hear no discernible difference, but we'll be having a lot of fun behind the scenes.

And another news form of bad dad host meek, I this week signed him up to become a Jehovah's witness. pretty sure was a big surprise to him when he opened his emails. So that was fun,

Reegs:Has he had to visit yet or,

Sidey:but now he has to go and do the visiting. Now, I don't know if they have to train him or whatever, but he has to go to

door to

Dan:think they do. They just send you a straight out,

Sidey:Cool. Well, if you get a knock at the door, it may very well be me

right onto this week's top five. Dan, you are inspiring us with films of color.

Dan:That's right. Yeah. So any film with a color in it, the name of a color.

Pete:in the title, you

Dan:in, in the

Pete:any film with a cut with some

Dan:Well, good. It could be, I mean,

Sidey:black and white movies are out.

Dan:we know what are they? I mean, it's black and white, isn't it? You can have it. You can have it all.

Reegs:Black isn't technically a color. Is

Pete:no, there's white. There's shades.

Dan:well, should I start off with the short sank redemption?



Pete:the shore sank

Sidey:For so many reasons.

Dan:No. Okay. All right. Well, let me well, you know, I'm not good with words, never been a strong point of any podcasts, but I'm going to start out then with a classic, actually a modern classic is the green mile  which I probably seen. Two and a half times. And it's because it's one of those films you

Reegs:over how many? Over, how many sittings?

Dan:Oh, many settings

Reegs:Yeah, two and a half times. Over many

Dan:Yeah. I think I probably got through about 75% of destination longest chunk, you know?

Sidey:it's, it's effectively the story. It's the story of a prison warden who was sexually assaulted by an inmate through the bars of his cell. We then has killed

Dan:So I've seen a few films like this, but I think this is the best of the genre.

Pete:Yeah, I've got to say I absolutely loved this film. Loved it. It definitely, apart from a film that I think I've mentioned before, when I've been on the mighty it's made, it's actually made me blub. It's so

Reegs:Which bit the

Sidey:go on a bit. Doesn't it.

Pete:Yeah. Yeah. Like a couple of times I forgot. I've forgotten that guy's name, the guy who has the mouse like him getting offed.


Sidey:Isn't it? The mouse.

Dan:that just makes you blob

Pete:Mr. Is Mr. Jangles, isn't it?

Dan:Mr. Bone Chang

Pete:Wow. Yeah. And, but it's, it's funny as well.

Reegs:Well, when he dies.

Dan:can't believe you just, yeah.


Sidey:The two dead

Pete:who was the first time I seen it. Is it Sam? Rockwell's in it?

Reegs:Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Pete:time I'd seen him. I hated him, but only because of how fucking incredible his performance was, he was there to be hated.


Pete:other guy Percy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan:it was the worst, but he got his, did me


Dan:and I ended up paying where he ended up. So Pete, that green mile, what you got.

Reegs:blue velvet.

Sidey:Oh, you fucker. That was gonna be my

Reegs:I was it I couldn't let it go straight without getting straightway calm. McGlocklin finds an ear at the beginning of this strange and often beautiful movie. And then things start to get strange after that. It's like all David Lynch movies. It kind of depends who you ask as to what it's all about, but it does have really good performances from Carl McLaughlin, Laura Dern Isabelle, Isabella Rossellini is Dorothy Valens.

And then obviously Dennis Hopper, that's the psychotic Frank Booth. Sid

Sidey:quite rapey in this one.

Reegs:Boothy. Yeah.

Sidey:He's raping. He's got that sinister sort of gas canister with him and his gas mask all the time. And it's fucking horrible bastard.

Reegs:Yeah, it's just a great movie. Isn't it? You get all these scenes of the idyllic America and then underneath it, you've just got at least her horrifying

Sidey:typical. So David Lynch themes of like what's, what's going on behind the picket fence. It's the best, is it better wrestling? He sings to the theme tune as well.


Sidey:It's rad. It's a good one.

Pete:Just quickly in, in researching this, I realized that there's quite a lot of, of like, I'd say strong films, prominent films that I, to my shame, I think I've never seen. So I've not seen blue velvet.

I'm going to, I can already guess a number of the films that are going to come up this evening. And I there's so many of them that I haven't seen and I don't know why.

I think maybe I'm just anti color or something because I, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I haven't. Yeah. I haven't seen so many buts ones that I have seen So if we are including black as a color, then Blackhawk down

Reegs:black cock down. Yeah.

Pete:yeah, it was a film that I really, really enjoyed.

Sidey:Is that the guy with a guy cut in half completely and they.

Dan:two guys, all the oil

Sidey:it's trying to talk to him, comfort him or something, and the camera pulls away and you realize the guy is completely

Reegs:Save it in half.


it's got, it's got the bit with the leg where they get in the they're having to get the main artery with light. Tweezers or whatever. And ah, so fucking Savage and goes on for way too long, but it's brutal.

Reegs:One of many hilarious scenes.

Dan:Yeah. I love a

Pete:but the cost is ridiculous. It's like, yeah, there's, there's 20 of it predominantly guys because of the, the, the subject matter and so on.

But it is, yeah, it's a real, I guess what would, if that was put together now, it'd be a massive like ensemble cast, but. I think

Dan:Good ridiculous or bad. Ridiculous. Is

Pete:no, ridiculously good.

Dan:movements? No,

Pete:Yeah. There's there's there's people considering it, it is it's 2001. So it's got like people who have gone on to bigger and better things like Tom Hardy and Orlando bloom and people like that.

Reegs:Isn't there a Hemsworth in it.

Pete:the, maybe I'm not entirely sure. There's it has, it's got what's his name? Lannister. Yeah, it's got Jamie Lannister in it. Not that would have, that would have been quite funny. But yeah, it's got like Jamie Lannister in it and loads and loads of other really famous people

Dan:should refer to people though. Now is, is the part of their characters names in other films. Rather than the actual actors names. I think that

Pete:Okay. Yeah. So

Dan:keep everyone on their toes.

Pete:it's got, yeah, it's got Lego last both the craze and and Jamie Lannister in it, which would be a great film.

Dan:What a great sound and movie, what a

Pete:Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey:well, another military one then with a massive ensemble cast, this one as a short film, it's the thin red line.

Reegs:Sure. One. Yeah.

Sidey:yeah, I think it was just a mere seven hours long or something. I think everyone who was in Hollywood at the time is in this film. But I don't remember there being a single red line in it.

So I feel,

Pete:Chris. It's got Sean Penn in it. Isn't it.

Sidey:I don't like him. He's got Clooney in it. I remember clearly being built like really big and he, I think he has one line in about 20 seconds of screen time in it. I remember this being a huge, huge, boring disappointment when I saw it,

Reegs:Terrence Malick. Isn't

Sidey:yeah, it's magic. Yeah.

Reegs:like it's most sort of normal movie.

Sidey:Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Pete:I've seen it, but don't really remember any of it. So it can't have been that great.

Sidey:It was mostly about, was it Ben Chapman's character? From what I recall? It didn't leave a huge lasting impression on me other than the fact that it was really

Dan:what was the the eighties or nineties comedy that Ben Chapman

Reegs:I was just trying to think of that. Samantha Jonas was the one game on

Sidey:skunk Percy's

Pete:Yeah, yeah,


Pete:Cheers monkey.

Reegs:didn't they change the

Dan:more and in the hand. Yeah,


Sidey:no, it was that. Yeah. My guy

Dan:cause he went on to

Pete:And how hot was Samantha? Janice?

Sidey:Janus. Yeah. She's fit.

Reegs:It feels like we've got a bit off topic here,


Sidey:Back to your

Dan:Well, well I'm convinced they're on a mission to save or a mission for God to save their Catholic orphanage. The blues brothers, Jake and Elwood, try and get the band back together in this film.

The blues brothers I'm getting farms down, I'm getting a thumbs up. Or maybe an index finger. No, that's a thumbs up from the bad dads here. Do, who does a lot of this film? You don't know this film,

Sidey:No for me. It's politics.

Dan:He's not having it. Okay. But as a few strange one, he just doesn't get, and

Pete:I fucking love

Dan:of those because the blues brothers is a fan fucking tastic.

Um, and it's got blue in it. So that fits right in this top five.

Reegs:and what great top five topic. This was as well. There was so many movies to talk about and because of that, I'm only talking about movies. I've never talked about. On the pod so far, as far as I can remember, which is how I've ended up picking the blue lagoon.

Sidey:Oh fucking hell. That's two in a row. You've done me.

Dan:we're getting a lot of blue aren't we?

Reegs:breathtaking scenery can't disguise the fact that Greece director Randal Kleiser made a really bad movie with the uncomfortable stench of child porn hanging over it. This weirdly romanticized story about a shipwreck boy and girl who were cousins, I

think exploring their burgeoning sexuality while savages across the other side of the Island.

They're on commit human sacrifices. It, this used to be on all the time in the late eighties and early nineties, and it

Dan:other weekend.

Sidey:Sheila gray is

Reegs:stunning shots of iguanas.

Sidey:Yeah, I really remember the iguanas.

Reegs:Yeah. So this movie really taps into the iguana file and P defile markets, which

Sidey:Well, I had, I had a one-line synopsis, which has Brooke shields has their first period on a tropical Island then bangs her cousin and has a son.


that was the, so that was the elevator pitch.

Reegs:This is a pretty weird movie to have been a completely mainstream thing. She was Brooke shields was 14 when

Sidey:I know.

Reegs:movie. And, and that they did a body double, but that doesn't make it right at all. This is really weird.

Pete:That's one of my first of many. I've not seen it that you'll hear tonight.

Sidey:Pizza on Amazon prime. And right now is just saying, if it's available,



Dan:Getting DVDs

Pete:typed in 14 year old and period, but I shouldn't. Yeah.

Sidey:Pete, you're up.

Pete:Okay. So I wanted to bring in some, these were films that I've watched with my family growing up and had me and my family in piss fits with the pink Panther films. But specifically, like if I'm going to say so if Peter Sellers was in say five films, I'm going to say like the middle three, the last one, I think he died before they finished it or something along those lines.

And the first one's actually not really got P cell is in a great deal. It's more about David Nevin and the BA the Juul thief. I never said, but those middle three, because of the, like the, just the complete buffoonery, I'm not a big slapstick fan, but somehow he managed to manage this to get me rolling around laughing.

In those films and like the, you know, just playing off against, so the interactions with keto and Dreyfus and yeah, it's got it's, they're really fucking funny films.

Reegs:which is the one where he does the he's on the gym bars sort of

Pete:The pavlova of the parallel.

Yeah, it's straight down the stairs. It's just like you can't. I challenge everybody. I feel like, I dunno. There's probably going to be some hate thrown its way by society. But the, the slight, yeah. I challenge anyone not to laugh at how much of a decade. This guy is

Dan:So, so which ones would you recommend? Cause I probably seen them all, but I don't remember. I remember them being shit. So I've probably

Pete:of the pink Panther, pink Panther strikes again, I think revenge there's loads of them. There's they carried like the franchise going on

Reegs:Pink Panther strikes again. It's the one I always think

Pete:Yeah, I think the first

Dan:a good one.

Pete:pink Panther, but

Sidey:one of them is just a cut and paste of scenes from all the other films. Isn't it? Is that when he died.

Pete:Is there's some re they made some terrible there's one. That's got Joanna Lumley in the is the one more, I think he died. He's in a couple of scenes and the rest of it. There's just kind of like, it's his silhouette and somebody's doing a really bad clues have impression, but

Reegs:absolutely Panther lists. Absolutely Panther list. Does that work?



Dan:Wow. Wow. Can we edit


Reegs:can't not


Sidey:that's gone. DI's

Pete:never thought I'd say this, but let, let Craven stick to the jokes.


Pete:Okay. Yeah, so yeah, the three, three middle ones, let's say not the first, not the last with Peter Sellers in, but loved those films.

Sidey:what about then a bit of Stanley Kubrick. I don't remember us really talking about this one before a clockwork orange and the controversial at the time violent, I don't think it's really that violent. Well, especially by these

Dan:Pete's face says a story.

Pete:confession, both.

Sidey:Well, to be honest, like when we were. Young, which was a while ago, this was hard to find you could, you know, cause he had it withdrawn. W people say it was bad, it wasn't bad at all. There was some copycat violence go around.

Reegs:The rape scene, he was particularly troubled with wasn't he? How it

Sidey:it was his wife, wasn't it?

So he just had it withdrawn from just by distribution.

You just couldn't get it. So they were like pirate, copies guide around and I'd managed to say we had a copy at school. But it's,

Reegs:Furiously masturbating in

Dan:yeah. Just say, can you imagine what they're dishing

Sidey:signal's lodge actually  it's got its own sort of vocabulary with it. It's very, very stylish. The, costumes have been taken off in about a hundred thousand music videos. The soundtrack is like an electro version of Beethoven. It's it's a cool

Dan:he's still massively , influential. Isn't it? I it's.

Sidey:Oh yeah.

Even the post dryer is fucking code's

Dan:Yeah, it is. But it's a crazy fucking film. I've seen it a couple of times.

Sidey:Yeah, definitely.


Dan:it's, it's a crazy film. I, I've got one here that I think we can take anchorman the legend of Ron burgundy.

Reegs:Oh, very good.

Dan:Ron is the band, the anchor band San Diego seventies.

And along comes Veronica cornerstone who wants her own bit of the anchor desk and all hell breaks loose when Ron becomes threatened. This is a classic comedy. I like welfare. I think he's generally one of the funniest actors out there. He does a lot of hit and miss stuff. I think they all do, you know, comics do is going to be funny for somebody.

And other

Sidey:tend to write the sequel to

Dan:aren't going to be funny for, there was a few lofts in it, you know, it, it wasn't a as a film. Yeah. It, it was okay. But it, if it had come out first, it wouldn't have got a sequel, you know, it's so it was, it wasn't strong enough, but the first film was really clever and really good. And it was just A lot of, a lot of things to laugh at, which did string it together as a film, unlike the second one, which had a few miss jokes and things.

And wasn't that great. So it was a tougher log of watch, but still for the diehard fans, I think you liked it, but burgundy, they go, that's it. Carla.

Sidey:That's good. And we've not had that on the list before, so hats off to you for that one rigs.

Reegs:I've got a double dose of red for you. The bread balloon. Do you remember that

Dan:Oh, I love that

Reegs:I remember watching it that school for the first

Sidey:I do so.

Reegs:I think it was it's so

Dan:Absolutely beautiful film Peter again with a sh a shrug of the shoulders. Check that out. It's on YouTube

Reegs:on YouTube. A little boy finds a helium balloon. It develops a well of its own. It's so simple. It's got the bittersweet and yeah, it's brilliant.

Dan:It's a beautiful, beautiful book. It's only about 25 minutes long or 30 minutes long. Great watch with the kids and you'll go away feeling

Sidey:let down. What was your other one then? Briggs.

Reegs:Well equally good for the kids is 1985, fucked up revenge fantasy movie, red Sonia where Brigitte Nielsen playing a bad-ass warrior was sort of raped off screen at the beginning of the movie. Hopefully not liking, I spit in your grave, that type

Dan:That's all money. Isn't it. It's all on any of

Reegs:Arnie sort of briefly in it, although he's given top billing.

So spirit offers her revenge and awesome powers with the really very messed up catch that she can't cannot lie with a man, unless he can defeat her in. Combat first the villain is queen gastrin, who tried to seduce red Sonya's mother. Or I'm just going to call this Anya now Sonya's mother which dumps a huge amount of homophobia on top of the misogyny.

Just so just a little sprinkle of it right there. Conan the barbarian clearly a much better movie not only because of the bad-ass lines, but also because there's a part where Arnie punches a.

Dan:I've seen a guy do that before.

Reegs:Punch you Campbell

Dan:In India. I've watched him really ju yeah, it was, it was awful. It was, he really hit this camel. And then like later on the camel kind of spy him a little bit, but it was, it was a bad punch. Anyway.

Reegs:was really brought the meat down. Isn't it really it's funny when I needed it.

Pete:purely so that I could mention Conan the barbarian, which is the greatest army film. Maybe the greatest film of all time,

um, and is also setting the high bar in age, along with red Sonia

Sidey:What are you going to mention then?

Pete:what am I going to mention? I've run out. So I was hoping that there's loads of other films that I hadn't seen. So I was hoping that I wasn't going to run out, but everybody's talking about the ones that I have seen. Well, most of them I'm going to go with, I've only got two left, so I'm going to go with the men in black, French.


Dan:is that both of them that you've

Pete:There's three of them, I think.

Oh, there's four. I haven't seen four.

don't don't think I want to I think I, I remember the first one actually. I mean, looking back on it now, it's probably more kind of

Reegs:yeah, the first two I think are quite good. Aren't they? And

Pete:the, definitely the first one, I really actually enjoyed it.

It was kind of like a new idea, new concepts. I really, yeah, I did. I did like it. I remember having my mind blown by the very, very end. I think it might be post credits with that big light. It zooms out from the earth and then it's like, and then the whole universe is like a marble and then a big alien thing scoops up all the marbles and puts them in a bag.

That, that, that was like the bit I remembered the most actually, but yeah. Men in black work or films. And then I think the third, the third one was, was, was shiter. But yeah, Boris, the animal in which was

Sidey:Jemaine Clement. Isn't it.

Pete:it is indeed of flight of the Conchords fame. And he was, he was quite fun. But yeah,

Sidey:stories, the stories about the fourth one are quite interesting about just how much of a fucking disaster it was. Hellmann's worth. And Tessa Thompson had, they were quite jealous that one was getting top bedding over the other. So they both had scripts, writers come in to rewrite their own parts, but no one knew.

What was being written for the other person. So it makes no sort of coherent sense. I saw the movie it's

Dan:Just lost all control there. That director. Isn't

Sidey:cluster. Fuck.

Reegs:Yeah. There's no like one of the good things about the first one was the sort of buddy cop dynamic between I need to call him James Earl Jones, Tommy Lee Jones, and Whoever will Smith. I think he went on to do a couple

Sidey:Smith is

Reegs:Yeah. Um, there's nothing like that in here. There's no chemistry at all between them in the reboot stairwell.

Sidey:No it's killed it.

Pete:Earl Jones is in Conan the barbarian as well.


Sidey:You've gone for men in black. I've got a couple of black films to nominate as well. The black Dalia was this one's directed by Brian DePalma. It was a murder mystery case. It's a true story of a still unsolved murder. And the, the actual murder itself is. Fucking grim. It's a proper like Jack, the ripper job they did on this actress.



film is it's all right. Yeah, it's good. I like it. It's sort of murder mystery like that car station, it's got scar Joe in it, which is always a winner with me. And then we've also got the black Swan, which we all love a story about ballet. And this one is the story of Natalie Portman's descent into madness and possible lesbian ism.

Reegs:No just possible is it is absolutely.


Sidey:don't, you never, you're never quite sure what's real in

Reegs:No, that's true. That is true. I really liked that movie, basically everything that Aronofsky does. I like it and I haven't seen the fountain.

Dan:Being that Pete hasn't got any left on. I'm going to

Pete:I've got one left.

Dan:Well, well, for a couple of these, I've got a couple more than that, but just take really but put you in pink. Remember that one? And doesn't fit in high school. She's poor a nerd is head over heels in love with her, and she's got feelings for a rich boy.

He said,

it's a coming of age. Yeah. It's a coming of age. Movie is kind of the followup to the breakfast club. Really? It was that same crowd. W it was pretty good. It was one of my sister's favorites growing up. Another one that I, I like is the Moulin Rouge. Bruce, you see what I've done there?

I've come in from a

Sidey:you like that?

The bass

Reegs:Yeah. That's what I'm mostly thinking about. Yeah.

Sidey:that shit guys. Fucking

Dan:you and McGregor and Nicole Kidman.

Sidey:I don't like either of them,

Dan:I thought it was.

Sidey:fucking cap rate. Bullshit.

Dan:thought it was super this film. I really enjoyed it. And I, it surprised me because I didn't think I would. But. I really enjoyed this. And I thought they both had really decent voices.

I liked the set. I liked the performance, the whole film and the story. Yeah. I thought this was really good. And I liked that the theme of the whole thing, Paris at that time, it just interests me. I think it was such a, it must've been such a wild and vibrant place. Paris in the, in the kind of turnover.

19 hundreds turn of the century there. And I thought this captured the

Sidey:Fuck the

Reegs:Yeah, it's such a


Reegs:dad. You're wrong

Dan:So there's so many of them. But then there's, you know, there's a beautiful kind of image of the. The flash, the rich, the money, and then the absolute slum and filth and dirt of Paris as well, which is still kind of true to this day.

You know what I mean? You can go to Paris and have the most opulent time in the most expensive restaurants and then see massive fucking rats down the street as you come out and it's full of crap down. So I'm laying, you know, it's I like this film,

 Reegs:Green lantern in theory, there's quite a lot to like about

Dan:Yeah. Okay. Well, let's let go of fucking Moulin Rouge. You can come in with green London. The next thing it's like the biggest bomb of a yay. That's why he went and did fucking a proper, super hero with Deadpool because he was so happy with

Greenland and calm. I don't want to hear this.

Reegs:No, no, you're you're

Dan:have the floor? Is yours.

Reegs:You're right. You're absolutely right. But there is a lot to like a large outdoor gathering for a start. But it's attended by a bunch of freaky, weird aliens. There's a training montage with a surly pig, man. You got Ryan Reynolds but it's a mess and it really starts with what you were saying down there, which is the character, which is I'm sorry.

And there's no way to say this other than to just be really blunt about it. But at green lantern fans, your superhero is one of the stupidest out there. Magic rings that help the hero, shoot green laser stuff out of their hands, and you charge them on a lantern. I just don't know how you could make a movie about that, which isn't totally balls.

Dan:They're clutching

Pete:all the other superheroes it's totally believable and not dopey



many to choose

Reegs:particularly stupid. And it's, it's like got horrifically obvious product placement in it and it costs $200 million and it was a wasted on really bad design, bad movie.

Dan:There's so many amazing superhero Marvel characters that you could go down and make a series form

Sidey:well not in

the DC

Reegs:if you're making them for DC.

Sidey:Pay, you got one more.

Pete:I actually have just got, I've just remembered another one. So I was just going to go because it's a classic with a snow white and the seven dwarves


Pete:last film that I had on the list. Absolute classic probably don't need to talk too much about it, but I just remembered the film that I have seen, which is color of money.

Cause it actually literally has

the word color in it. Um, spelled wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And is it, I think it's so that one is the one with Tom cruise and Paul Newman in it, but it's a remake of a

Sidey:the famous salad dressing guy



yeah, that was a good film. It's the Scorsese film color of money, isn't it?


Dan:is it? Wow.

Pete:No, I got a feeling. It is

Sidey:I think you're right. But we'll have to check that for, I put that out

Pete:do a fact check on that, please.


Sidey:Snow white is really the story of a privileged white girl in her enslaved, disabled minions that she has.

Dan:That's snow white and the

Pete:is it, well, I mean, I guess you can spin it as that, but it's, it's not, she happens upon the dwarves, isn't she?

Sidey:I know it's like an alternative takeout there

Pete:like it's, it's probably some like woke bellend is now jumping on that and, and making it a real thing. And now it's going to be called something different and not allowed to


Reegs:We talked about this before, but what were those who were those dwarf selling all of the profits from those mines too? That's the big

Sidey:well, blood diamond Sunday.

Dan:Snow white and the Huntsman. Did you see that one?


Dan:That I think that was


Dan:it was okay. Yeah, it was it. No, it wasn't

Sidey:Yeah, but you like me to that ruse, so it's hard to know.

Pete:Yeah. Yeah. You've undermined everything now.

Dan:No, he's okay. Snow white and the Huntsman for like

Sidey:Is Kristen Stewart or Kirsten's do whatever the fuck you say her name.

Dan:Yeah. And there was

Sidey:Didn't she fuck the director.

Dan:I'm just trying to

Sidey:Didn't someone fight the director.

Dan:are nudging. I think he's a father.

Sidey:There was some, there was some juicy gossip on the set of that one.

Reegs:Right. If you're listening Kirsten or, or possibly Kristen

Sidey:I think it's Kristen.

Dan:Give the,

Reegs:do let us know.

Sidey:How about red dragon? It's the best of the Hannibal Lecter trilogy of movies directed by the best director of the trilogy as well. Brett Ratner. It's a story about tooth fairy apparently.

 Reegs:Mrs. Jacoby changed. Do you see message to Kobe changing?

Sidey:Francis Dollarhide and this one.

Reegs:Yeah. Somehow he's got the same voices wherever I do for salads, the lamps as well.

Sidey:Okay. Buffalo bill.


Sidey:I've got a double bill of submarine, movies, hunt for red, October and yellow submarine as well. Yeah. Another animated number for you. And then how about Pete? You're like this one. It's gold and I. That it's the better of the pears Brosnan bond films, but would be a measurably Patrick at Timothy Dalton.

Pete:my confession. Right? So that, first of all, that's not true. My

Sidey:I fucking,

Pete:never seen that film all the way through. Never seen it all the way through,

Sidey:that's probably okay. Because it's not

Pete:think. Do you know why? Because that was straight. That was his first one. Wasn't it Brosnan.

Sidey:yeah, it was the first bomb for him for a long while.

Pete:the Dalton films.

And because of Dalton, I was like completely disillusioned

Sidey:It couldn't be better. It was the pinnacle.

Pete:I've seen it, but only I've never sat and watched the whole thing all the way through. I went around people's houses and played the, played the computer

Sidey:game was better than the film


Dan:have a BMW in that. Isn't it.


Reegs:Yeah, he's driving it from the back seat with

Pete:Brazilin was

Sidey:with his Sony Ericsson phone.

Pete:And it was a bad time for bond.

Sidey:Yeah. What else do you right.

Dan:Well, yeah, well, I'll just give a few mentions on rubbly. So the color purple.

I've got a white heat. James Cagney.

Reegs:Yeah, that's a good one. What's the name that she went,


Reegs:or was that

Dan:Turner. That was, yeah,

Reegs:Yeah, I think I'm thinking

Dan:buddy heat buddy.


Dan:and the Crimson tide.


Sidey:Is that

Dan:that in Israel

Sidey:is that like the blue lagoon again?

Dan:that's well, you know, if you want if. That's the, the nuclear missile submarine. Yeah. Gene Hackman ready launches missiles. After half of report comes through and then a young officer is Denzel Washington stages are muted.

You need to prevent it.


Dan:yeah, it was okay though. Yeah, it was a pretty decent film. But yeah, films of color.

Reegs:I just got one last one which is the man with one red shoe, which is Sunday afternoon, viewing encapsulated in an easygoing comedy, which is never really all that funny. Tom Hanks is a brilliant concert violinist who is mistaken for a Soviet spy. The CIA suspect them of passing on coded messages by means of the notes he plays at concerts.

Eventually he is obliterated into a pile of meat and ground bone, along with eight other people by an American drone strike. Actually, I can't remember what happens at the end, which is quite rare for me. I do usually remember them by day. Remember what happens at the end of that movie?

Dan:I remember one scene where he's just in, on his bike in traffic and it comes to a red light and he just does that trick where you don't put your feet down on the floor, you know, you just can't and the people chasing him. But yeah, but I, I trapped relight, you know, that trick

is actually stationary balancing that tree balancing.

Um, It is really hot. And the people behind him just know then that he is a spy because only spice

could do that. And that.

made perfect sense to me when I was 11.

Reegs:Just I've got one. It's like a five second apiece moment, which was a short six minute film by Kenneth anger. I added it in, cause I never remember what the color puce is.

I looked her up tonight. It's like, purple-y ready? Brownie

Dan:Perfectly brownie. Ready? Green. Yeah.

Pete:Whilst we were talking just then I remembered another one, which I don't know if I've seen or not. And it's a short snugger film is

Sidey:Belushi, isn't

Pete:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the shitter Belushi, he wasn't in blues brothers, but I think how he's given it some love on, on the pod before and

Sidey:Yeah, I

think so.

Dan:we would have definitely mentioned


Pete:And short sneaker plays a Russian like sort of


Sidey:well, he's got this, got that range.

Pete:Yeah. That's it. That's it.

Dan:yeah, I would say he can play Russians

Pete:Incredible. Yeah.

Dan:can blame

Sidey:Other European nationalities.

Dan:you know, East Russia, West Russia.

Pete:North Russia.

Sidey:A couple of green ones, Soylent green, which we've spoken about before fried green tomatoes, which has had a lot of love on online bizarrely for a film about a fruit deep blue sea, which we always mentioned. And then I promised I would mention the pink flamingos,

the John, John, what was filmed, where famous drag.

Artist, divine eats a freshly laid dog shit on, on film. It's fucking horrendous.

Dan:I've also got a film here and I haven't jotted it down properly. It just says plane crash, Alaska Liam Neeson.

The gray.


Reegs:Yeah, it's a good movie.

Dan:which I think is about wolves attacking and, and that kind of thing. Isn't it.

Sidey:Let's get it down to a list of four. Dan, what you're putting in.

Dan:and the pressure going to go with my original one, which is the green mile.

Reegs:Believe Ellevet.

 Pete:Go, I'll go. Blues brothers.

Sidey:Ooh clockwork orange for me, solid list.


Sidey:We need one more from our listeners faraway folks.

This week's main feature, a family friendly recommendation. If I remember rightly from last week, Dan

Reegs:Gather the children round.

Dan:Yeah. I did say that that's true. It's funny how time distorts your memory, isn't it. And possibly a few heavy scenes. Not many times you'll watch people on a Sunday afternoon with the kids getting brutally gunned down in cold blood.

Reegs:Oh, jacked off in the bath.


Jack top in the bar But that's the kind of entertainment I was encouraging you to watch with.

Yeah.  so, this was the 1970s flick that you might've caught if you're like a hundred years old. At the time it was big little big man

Reegs:Which one children. Were you not able to, that you were you raising when



no, I, I remember seeing this quite a while back. I thought I must've been obviously a little younger than I actually was when I saw this, because it does have a cup. It's like a tragic comedy. This it's a Western, it's a, it's a, it's a tire. It's a yarn of

Sidey:whole, the whole setup is we don't know if he's telling a loader Porky pies,


Sidey:all this stuff.


Dan:well, he's, you know, when you turn a story of your life and you're 120 years old and you, you, you start off with what was the, what was the opening line? It was 111 years ago. And then he kind of re you're gonna, maybe even in real life, you're gonna forget a few things.

You're going to.

Reegs:I thought it was a little bit like a movie that we watched. I talked about a few weeks ago, called big fish where it's some big story being retold and elements of truth and elements of fantasy. And.

Dan:well, yeah. And, and th well, this film, little big man,

 You've got 121 year old Jack crab, recount in how his family was wiped out by a band of wild Indians to this historian and basically goes through his entire life. And he talks about all these different events and adventures he got into with.

General Custer with in the Indians and things like that. And there's a load of different facts and everything around the native Indians that this film has gone on to, to throw a light onto, I guess, a little bit. But it certainly isn't a Sunday afternoon. Like I said, they might be because there's a little bit heavy in scenes.

Isn't it? But it's a drama comedy, I would

Reegs:Almost structurally, it's almost like a series of vinegar threats, like we've talked about on this before. Isn't it

it's like

Sidey:bit Buster Scruggs,

Dan:big Buster Stokes.

Sidey:Mm. It's sort of, it could almost be divided into chapters. Like you say, cause you start off, you've got his childhood years their wagon train or wherever it was, was attacked and him and his sister were the only survivors.

Reegs:She's she's desperate to be raped. Isn't

Sidey:yeah, it's a weird type that it wasn't, that she was,

Reegs:She was like, Oh, I hope

Sidey:she was offended that

Reegs:was like looking around and they didn't even know she was a girl that she had thick lady squeezed her text. Didn't she? It was

Pete:I think that that was why she ran off in the end because there was just no rape.

Reegs:yeah. Genuinely what the story is. I mean, it's, we're

Sidey:Yeah. We're not exaggerating that for laughs. That is exactly, exactly how it played out in the movie, which was slightly weird to see, I

Dan:Well, it was a comedy, wasn't it? She was quiet, kind of a manly looking woman and she was desperate to get some action.

And, um, she had, she had heard all these stories of how Indians You know, wood savages and they've attacked the white people. They do what they like with them. And I bet, you know, so a small part of this character, she's kind of looking forward to having that attention for men, even if it is in this most Savage of ways.

And they still don't like it. They don't even recognize her as, as, as a woman.

Pete:she's ups. It's probably something that would have happened a lot to her, but she's quite upset when they like have a feel to see whether or not she's a woman or a man.

Sidey:yeah, shit. Fuck. They think I'm a man, but they would have, I think been, they would have taken her as a school probably

Reegs:I'm not big up on my native

Pete:What does that

Dan:I am not

Sidey:They take it out. They take, I read and make a, basically what they did to Justin Hoffman. They they'd raise her as their own Haider, probably got scalped and she would have been in school

Reegs:Is this in the porn version you're making or.

Dan:this is a different version of no big man. So basically what, what goes through as a Dustin Hoffman recounts his life is only like 23 when he starts this.

Reegs:He was

Dan:film, but 122, but he was 23 and we life and no, he wasn't even 33 in real life.

so yeah, 33

Sidey:a teenager, was I, it was in the Guinness book of records for this. Do you know

Dan:The longest, the

Sidey:the biggest age range and characters.

Dan:must've changed by now though.


Reegs:Benjamin. Button's got that. So not maybe, I

Sidey:I'd imagine.


Dan:some space, age film would have kind of twisted

Sidey:So the Indians, the Indians going to take him on though, don't they? And they, they,


Sidey:they call him his son.

Reegs:The old lodge skins.


Sidey:Did you see the list of actors that were lined up to play him before it was him? Brando Brando

Dan:Yeah. He loved the book, not the book that this was based on this film. So it was quite popular. And I think obviously the, the way that this pans out is that Hoffman. Kind of gets pillar to post and he just, wherever he ends up, whether it be on white man's side or the red, Indian side, as he goes through life, he, he kind of wins or loses battles, but always seems to survive.

Reegs:Why it's a survivor's story.


it kind of is like that. Yeah. That he goes through. He's brought up by a different tribe of Indians than the ones that savagely. Killed his family

Reegs:raised by the shine,




Sidey:the bone Tomahawk. Correct.

Reegs:but then he just drops them after there's a fight really, really quickly shouts. I love George Washington or something like that. And then suddenly he's in the U S army.

Dan:yeah. That's why in this one kind of battle where a is, is. T balloons in his trial balloons. And he, he remembers, he doesn't know where it's kind of come from, but he remembers those words, George Washington. So, and he gets taken in then as a white man on the American side and, and meets Costa,

Reegs:isn't but

Sidey:well before all

Reegs:just before this, this is a bit where he gets a hand job off of

Sidey:It gets taken in. Yeah, it gets taken in by the family and they're like devoutly religious and the old man says he's going to beat all that out of him. And then you've got

Mrs. Pen Drake, you got fade. Dunaway's Mrs. Penn Drake, who is very conflicted. She's sort of religious, but also

Pete:massively, sexually frustrated.

Sidey:she just wants to wipe him off in the bath.

And later on becomes a prostitute.

Pete:did all kinds of things to me

Dan:She's 29 years old here, fade

down away. Yeah. And, and

she's looking absolutely amazing. She's on, on top top for me. She won an Oscar for a film network.

Reegs:who did she jerk off in that?

Dan:think, she actually did she go, I think she ended up sleeping with the bosses to get, it was like one of those television things to get to the top.

She's an anchor and she wants to get to the top. So she does do that. But she was also in the Thomas crown affair as Sidey. No doubt. We'll we'll work. We'll know. I know he likes the other one better. And she was in three days at a con condo and Bonnie and Clyde, which was by the same director.

As we got here, Allen. But she was so hot and she turns up a little bit later on as a kind of fallen woman. Really?

Reegs:She's a prostitute layer.

Dan:yeah. Yeah. If you want to say that, Y you know,

Sidey:well, she was it's the fact, it basically doesn't Hoffman bounces between this, that, and the other is, is, becomes a gun. So he has an attempt at becoming a gunslinger, the soda

Pete:want to shoot anyone.

Dan:the gunslinger period, you know, we talk about Buster Stokes and the Cohen brothers. There's no way on earth. They didn't see this film before, you know, and, and just though, because what they do in this film is that they kind of take all these, as you said, these vinaigrettes, these characters, these little stories, and they've got everybody in there.

They've got orphans, Indians, the drunkards, the hermit, the gunslinger, the widow. They've got

Reegs:eight somehow manages to wangle a a sort of hot room at one point where he's like shaking different.

Sidey:yeah, he

bounces between yeah.

Dan:got three. He's got the, the, his wife that. Just kind of this beautiful American Indian girl who, whose husband is killed. And he takes her on as his wife,

um, as, as payment for losing his own wife, Olga to American Indians. And then his new wife has three sisters that have all lost their husbands in, or two of them lost their husbands.

One of them wasn't old enough to have, has been yet,

Reegs:I know I've seen the plot of this part of the movie before.

Dan:then he's, he's kind of got to sleep with them all to make his wife happy as she goes to give birth


Sidey:I'm not sure she was super happy about it.

Dan:Oh, she was absolutely insistent on it.

Reegs:is this one of the scenes you were thinking of when you said it was appropriate for the,

for the kids?

Dan:This is what I was hoping.

Reegs:this is called a polyamorous relationship. Guys. Let's watch a little bit.

Dan:Yeah, throughout this movie are sort of famous Western characters that we've seen before. So you got wild bill Hickok in this who he meets in the town of Deadwood. I don't know if any of you guys have seen the series Deadwood,

Reegs:I've watched the first two episodes, but I've never

Sidey:It's fucking a it's really good. And you've also got, obviously Kusta who he has a couple of cause he kind of fits between one or the other is either with the end of the native Americans or he's with Costa.

Reegs:He's a

Sidey:quite know. Yeah. He's a massive fucking lizard. He was going to kill him. Wasn't he? He was gonna offend me bottled it.

Pete:The guy with like limbs and an eye and everything missing.

Reegs:That was the snake oil salesman guy, but I didn't

Dan:That was funny. That guy, when he,

he kept on

Sidey:his sister reappears

Dan:kept on turning up with what, like one less limb and you go that's business for you. You never know a good theater with a bad deal.

Sidey:, that was where his sister reappeared wasn't it, she, she sort of encourages them to become this sort of gunslingers type. And I thought she was supposed to maybe supposed to be calamity. Jane was on me at that

Dan:It's kind of hints of that. Wasn't there just to know demeanor. Cause she was a sharp shooter and she goes well, she's pretty disappointed when it turns out that he doesn't want to be a gunslinger because he actually see somebody get shot and he's

just like,

Sidey:it. He hasn't got the stomach for it.

Dan:Is that real like, that shit just happened.

I don't want any of that, but he liked being called the, was it the soda pop kid or something? He

Sidey:Soda pop kid. Yeah.

So this, I really like Western it's one of my favorite genres. If you like, this would be an example of the sort of revisionist Western Essentially the classical Western is a very simple story and it's usually it would genuinely be about a law abiding. Well, let's be honest, white man, who is the hero of the story and the Indians are always the villains.

You are usually the veterans and it's just played out about

yeah, they, well, there are obviously then lots of different takes people came along later on and thought That's probably a too simplified way of looking at the world. So people started to make films that took the Western genre and looked at it with a slightly different lens.

And this is definitely an example of that. We're not entirely sure who's good and who's bad. It's just people doing what they need to do to get by. And that certainly probably what frontier life would have been like. You know, you can't. I have a film where the hero is these, you know, white people going in and just taking indigenous people's stuff.

You know what I mean? That's that's just looking at it that, you know, whoever writes history is the one who determines how it is seen by people.

Pete:it seemed to me more weighted on the side of the Indians, from



Dan:Yeah, I think so. And, and which was for me, I think at the time I first saw it and probably why it stuck with me. It resonated a little bit, the fact that I hadn't seen many westerns like that, you know, that I was traditionally in the other side of that tradition where you would just see Indians as the savages and the, and the bad lot.

There was very few films that. Depicted an Indian has been such a cool way of living as well. You know, the way that they lived, the different tribes between them obviously wildly different, you know, as, as different almost as as you can get. And

Sidey:I did like the bit where is back in the camp, you know what he does, he call him grandpa. And there's a big battle going on. And he said, Oh, it's a good day to die. And it says, well, maybe, you know, maybe you're just invisible Giovan. You'll figure it out. And I was thinking he's just fucking high as a kite, you know, it's just, it's

Dan:They've just

Sidey:wander around the battlefield, just fucking off his face. They took that line though. It was good day to die there. Their star Trek took that and used it for the cling on race. Lifted it from this film.

Dan:Well, this, this was kind of I suppose the, the timing of this film. 1970s around Vietnam as well. You, you know, to put it into a bit of context, you've got that in the backdrop, all right of American soldiers going in heavy handed to go add massacre. Basically they're calling it a battle, but it's not a battle.

It's just a massacre of innocent people. And kind of that happens in the middle of the film. Really. It doesn't build up to this kind of crescendo there. It just happens in the middle as it does in life. You know, sometimes you get this white there, slap Bain, you've got this terrible kind of war and everything that's gone on.

obviously Jack has got many, many more years to live after that as well. You know, he's got a lot of adventures to go in, but I think it, it just showed maybe in and around that time as well. How. Crazy the world might have been, you know, the Americans are going into Vietnam, they're going in heavy handed.

They did it at this time. And I think this really got the emotion of, of the time up, although

I, yeah, I'm not sure how it did actually, in, in the box office and all the rest of it. I know we'll go through that at the end, maybe, but it's kind of a film, Dustin, Dustin Hoffman. It's not the first film you think of.

Dustin Hoffman making good.


Reegs:no. No, I agree. I'd never heard of this movie actually.

Sidey:Oh, I studied it at school.

Reegs:What kind of school do you study? This Hoffman movie.

Sidey:A-level media studies westerns was one of our topics.

Dan:So I suppose for the genre of a Western, this is Jewish. The other side of the Western genre coin. Isn't it.

Sidey:we watched this and good, the bad and the ugly as examples of a sort of different take on the Western. So, I mean the good, the bad and the ugly. You've got three characters, but they're all bad. You know, the boy, one of them might be explicitly bad who, you know, he hits a woman, so you know, he's bad.

But then as the hero he's as bad as any of the others, you know, everyone's out for themselves. That was how life was

Reegs:But they couldn't call it the bad, the bad and the bad could they

Sidey:No, it doesn't have the same ring to it.

Pete:Was, and the, the, the ugly was the ugly in character or in features or both.

Sidey:I don't think Eli Walla was particularly gruesome knife. This one is more, it's got more comedic touches, I think, than some of the other ones. Not an ad out comedy, but certainly lighthearted at times.

Dan:And it makes you smile. You've got chief Dan George there who actually got an Oscar nod for this,

Sidey:It did. Yeah. And he was like fifth choice to play the character, which is weird.

Dan:First native American to get an Academy award domination.

Sidey:Did you say how Dustin Hoffman. Prepared himself for the role as the 121 year old man.

Did you see that?


Sidey:would just, he would just scream for an hour in his dressing room to get his voice or raspy and then go and do all this.

Dan:Why don't you just do that? Why

Sidey:I don't

Dan:like that?



Sidey:it's not as gifted. It's not as gifted an actor as

Dan:Maybe. Yeah. Jump back in kids. So.

Sidey:he's actually four years older than Faye Dunaway who played his adopted mother as well.


you couldn't

Pete:So hot.

Dan:in that Boff scene? That was a great scene. Wasn't it? When she was just like singing down rashes?

Sidey:I think I preferred her taking her stockings off as you know, when it wasn't. So incestuous later on

Dan:Yeah, no, she was, she was hot either way for me. I don't mind being, being washed

Sidey:We've mentioned how well this may or may not have done the budget for it was 15 mil, which seems quite a lot for 1970.

So what do you reckon

Dan:well, Faye Dunaway, Dustin Hoffman, and the guy who did Bonnie and Clyde suggests a poll. A Marlon Brando was, was kind of interested in this as well. I reckon it made money, but over can, it made a lot. Because, you know, it's just not that well known the field

Sidey:Anyone want to hazard a guess? Tell me

your other

Dan:50, I would say 23 mil, it made,

Reegs:Yeah, I I'm going to say it. It,


Sidey:You're gonna say it. Yeah. Okay.


Pete:I've honestly, genuinely like it could have been a massive car crash or,

Sidey:state care. So feel free to just have a guess. Yeah,

Pete:it made it made $8 more than it cost to make.

Sidey:no, it doubled it. 31 and a half mil. It

Dan:double your money, double your money. Get rich quick. do you know? So We were just talking about your, your film school thing. And a while ago that this adds kind of connection. Yeah. Should we start yeah. Okay. She does not go

Reegs:I eat. Don't need to

Pete:Can you elaborate on that?

Dan:well, okay then why? Well, they're both kind of a little In unconventional westerns, really? You know, they've got gunslingers, they've got characters, they've got a wilderness settings in big kind of the tribes as well. So they've looked at it

Reegs:they both got a scene where a skyscraper sized four legged vehicle trumps through a snowy abandoned world. Firing lasers.

Dan:in many ways, in many ways they

Pete:but, but, but one of them is a Western

Dan:One of them

Pete:and star Wars is not,

Sidey:Yeah. If it's always just a rip off of the old samurai


Dan:and yeah, you've got the Curtis, our movies that it was

Sidey:And a lot of the westerns are rip offs, the samurai movies as well.

Dan:So there you go, Peter.

Pete:Thanks. I still, I still didn't get star Wars from this film.

Dan:Well, no, you wouldn't get it. You

Sidey:I have to say, though as a, as the film on the whole, it's just like, you know, I thought this was a little bit boring.

Reegs:It's it's it's quite long. And I wouldn't say it's slow, but there are parts where it drags. Inevitably.

Sidey:It definitely loved, there were some bits that I really enjoyed. I had forgotten quite a lot of it, and I just wanted him to be with the Indians, the

different bits. There were far more interesting to me than the, with the And the towns and all that. Although the bath wine King is always a highlight. I think two hours run time is getting on for two and a half hours. It was just a little bit

Dan:it was two hours, 13 minutes or something. Yeah, it was

Reegs:It, it,

It shared a little bit too much for me with Forrest Gump


Reegs:of episodic storytelling, and then unexpectedly meeting up with like big. Historical figures and a humble hero and all that sort of stuff. And once I'd made that association in my head, it sadly made me hate this film a little bit

that I hated the film. No, I didn't hate it. This was quite good. It's all right. It's it's.

It's all right.

Sidey:Right. Dan, I'm going to ask you that. Why are you not entertained?

Dan:Well, it is good to nominate a film that's so renowned, really loved and appreciated by you all. I was entertained. I watched this again for the first time in a long time. I think it's the kind of film that as again, it's influenced a lot of other films. You'll see a lot of, you may be a little bit bored, I guess, looking at it now, after seeing all those films and how they've grown from these original sparks of imagination and acting and And, and storytelling and things, but I tried to look at it as well and appreciate the times that these films were made in and the kind of message that they would have sent out at the time.

I thought the performances of Dustin Hoffman playing a character who's gone from 10 years old or, or, you know, teenage anyway, white to a hundred and twenties was fantastic of all. Faye Dunaway w was excellent, but a lot of the characters within it, just the guy as we, you know, old lodge skins you've got Mrs.

Penn Drake, which down a right lip, liberal horse burns red in the sun a lot. You know, you've got these younger bear, the, these different characters, the

Reegs:was even a, there was a gay Indian as well. Wasn't

Dan:Which, yeah. Again, you know, so it, it went into this, which was the American Indians way of saying, Oh, you know, that's, we appreciated that.

You know, we had different people that like different things and they had a place for everybody within their community where there'd be a warrior, whether they be gay or whatever. And I think it depicted this really well when it was quite a strong way of doing it. Certainly at the time, when not a lot films were we're doing this, it was Indian was a Savage, was a bad person.

They did this other Indian as well. The contract, you had a guy that went backwards all the time.

And he did everything backwards, which again was a really, you know, a point that films don't bring up. And, and it was a, it was a

nice point. So


Reegs:the people going backwards.

Dan:yeah. You know, the player backwards,

Pete:Or the Backwoods people.

Dan:look how I'm arguing, but it's just the best feeling I've ever seen.

And there you go. You're wrong if you say it shit.

Sidey:Paint where United States.

Pete:Okay. So I unlike you guys.


Pete:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I,

I felt like, I feel like I haven't, I've been able to express my feelings about the film just yet. So unlike you guys, I am not a fan of westerns. I rarely ever watch any westerns. Are they? They're all exactly the same. I am also not massively boned up on American history of any kind.

I don't really understand why people are like, I'm not re I'm not from America. I've been to America a few times, but I'm not really that boned up on like Namibian history either. So I don't understand what, what the obsession with like, you know, westerns and stuff like that is there's plenty of other, like more interesting histories in the

Sidey:How about back to the feature three, I mean,

Pete:Better than each other. Like that that's, that's a better Western than the most that I've seen. So this kind of passed me by, I think you have to understand, like, I don't, I know nothing I've heard of general. I know nothing about him. So I think in order to appreciate what is clearly like a spoof kind of

Sidey:He had a little back hole on.

Pete:I think to appreciate like the, the sending up of him, I'm guessing.

You have to know what he was like in the first place. I don't really know or care what he was like in the first place. So Faye Dunaway massive hit like really, really hot. Did you know, she was worth watching the film alone. The only thing I would say is that for two hours, 20 minutes or whatever it was, it held my attention.

Somehow. I loved Austin Hoffman as an actor. He was amazing, but the film was guff, but it held my attention. Yeah, nah, not entertained, but definitely having to talk over fight what.


Yeah, I did enjoy it. It was a little bit too long. But yeah, I, I did enjoy it. It was a good, decent yarn. I think I don't. Really like the central character, a huge amount in this. And I also don't like Dustin Hasselhoff or whatever his name is. Dustin Hoffman. Dustin Hoffman. He's not either my favorite actor either.

So that, that we can say a little bit, but yeah, this was, this was fairly solid.


Dan:this. I'm loving this. Go ahead.

Sidey:I enjoyed it for the most part was some laws in it where I, my attention was wandering, but overall I enjoyed it mostly because I do enjoy westerns. I do feel like it could have lost, could have doubled losing about 20, 30 minutes from its runtime. But I enjoyed it. It was decent. Just let me edit it down a little bit.

That'd be better.

We've had one bout of family entertainment this week, Dan, and we've got another slice coming


Dan:Yeah, there we go. The unlisted, it's an Australian Saifai drama. We'd been watching at home. In fact, we bagged the entire first season. That's out there on Netflix. It's

Sidey:Okay. Straight

Dan:children, young teenagers. And that's the kind of audience I'm watching it with. Just to give it a little bit of

Sidey:does it end on a cliffhanger? The salad, the whole series.

Dan:whole series kind of does kind of does it, you said it leaves it wide open for another series. Yes,

Sidey:cause they haven't committed. Netflix have not committed to a second series, but they haven't canned it either. So we don't

know we're in

Dan:W w we're limbo at the moment?

Reegs:So you're deciding whether to watch more than the first episode on East ID, unless you already

Sidey:Well, I would

Dan:up as the first, as the first kind of series stands up on its own. There's one of those predictable kind of last second things on the last episode that leaves it open for

Sidey:they all die.

Dan:No, nothing quite as dramatic. But this is it follows. The story of identical 12 year old twins drew and cow who, one of his really sporty.

One of them is a bit of a hacker dude and a nerd.

Sidey:rakes rigs with Burlingham

Dan:And they they kind of ended up working with a group of underground vigilante kids. Against a powerful kind of government agency

Reegs:They they're not at all Dodger Lee named global child initiative,

which was operating out of a pizza

Dan:who want to impose global control out of, uh, kids. They want to get kids to be the next workforce basically, but what really hooked me at the beginning of this was pink.

Floyd's the wall. And I chatted about it. I think on the last part, just as

what we've been

Reegs:out at that point.

Dan:but you had nearly out, it was like 30

Sidey:friend of Rick's paper on it, Dave

Dan:But yeah, it's this

Sidey:well, it, it starts that, and it also is very marathon, man. The, the opening bit is Dentist torturing scene which everyone loves

Dan:that's how they get their implants.

Sidey:And it's also coming out at a time where people are, well, some people are paranoid about vaccinations and in this, we can see what happens if you do vaccinate an entire population you're, you're under control.


Dan:being put under control on an app.

Reegs:I didn't really understand what the hell was going on. So you get these set up scenes and it's always hard when we're watching

Sidey:always hard when you're watching kids

Dan:Well, I, I, that's what I

Reegs:hard. We watch a lot of season one episode, one. And it's a hard episode to do because you've got the concepts to introduce.

You've got to hook people in. You've got the main characters to introduce and give some idea why you might come back and watch it again. I thought this was fairly successful at all of that. The family weren't automatically horrific. And so I didn't hate them. The children actors were pretty good. So I didn't hate them either.

And then the storyline chugs along a fairly brisk pace. Cause we're looking we're w we're sort of watching them do normal kid stuff, and then suddenly there's a test and everybody stops and sort of goes on pause almost. And then one of the

Sidey:It was very sudden wasn't

Reegs:it was really sudden, I was like, what's just happened here.

Is it drew? Drew is the only one who seems to be. Able to sort of function normally during this period and it happens and you've got no idea and I thought, all right. Okay. This is interesting actually.

Sidey:they did. They're the classic twins switcheroo,

but surely they knew that there was two of them. So they should have been both that they should have been taking off on a list that both twins had been

Dan:Yeah, well, they did, they swapped glasses didn't they? So he went in as his brother.

So, yeah.

Sidey:Hey, double

Dan:so what, yeah, I've seen the whole, I've seen the whole series. So I guess the as you, as you kind of pointed out, if you watch it just the first series of there. The first episode, first series is a little bit difficult to, to find out.

The, you know, it's a hard work episode, a lot of the time, isn't it. You're putting in the groundwork on the first episode. You're

Sidey:It's about the same saying.

Dan:There's a lot of scenes saying. So I'm pleased to hear that it grabbed your attention first. Cause it's. What's your with a tough audience. I'm watching with the messages I'm watching.

We have a nine year old and I'm watching with a 15 year old, you know, so this is a tough crowd to please across

a series


Pete:one of your children is the it's the fan.

Dan:So none of them are none of them like watching anything with me, you know,

I'm forcing them to

Pete:So who's watching the whole series of this with you.

Dan:so this is, this is the entertainment bit is. If it's good enough, they will come back, you know? And we'll watch it together. We try and do some family time. It is tends to be forced. You know, from all of us, none of us really want to be there, but we all feel like we should, we all feel like we should turn up, you know, so we try and do it close off the dinner because we're all there anyway.

Sidey:I think if I was watching the tele, so you'd have to talk to each other.

Dan:exactly. So,

Pete:feel like you haven't answered my question. Like who's watching, like I know, like I don't mean who physically is watching this. Who is this for?

Who's just being put

Dan:for? Who's the audience for, I would say it's families of our type, you know, people that want to watch stuff together or possibly somewhere between the ages of nine and 15 which

Sidey:Yeah, it's for older children. You know, this is, I wouldn't watch this as my daughter. I think she's still a little bit, possibly a little bit too young for this. There's no fucking horses in it or dragons for a


probably a little bit sinister as

Dan:though. You know, it's got those kinds of themes, but there's nothing you see or hear that would make you go Oh, competent eyes

Pete:thought some of the opening scenes, right? Like the bit before you realized it, that the kids sat in a dentist chair and everything, there's like the dentist kind of sat over. I think, I don't know if you see that it's like a child or a teenager or whatever, but like with like mad staring eyes and that it was quite sinister.

Dan:Yeah. Yeah. They got to stuff

Pete:was, it was, it was edgy at the beginning. Yeah.

Dan:but it doesn't really make

it doesn't really make yeah. Anything. Too bad happen, you know, it's within it's control, but it will raise the, the heartbeat a little bit, certainly for younger kids, I think who would see that and go, wow, that was a bit scary. If they're a bit sensitive, things like that, it might, it might not be for them, but for our kids, I've got a nine year old, 15 year old.

And so finding someone that we could all sit down. Together and me and the misses as well, and actually watch and think. Right. Okay. So as it goes through, and I'm probably jumping a little bit ahead, but it ends up that cow takes his brother's injection. So does the old switcheroo, as you say, Andy injections, which are being hosted and stop sponsored by the global child initiative actually putting in implants where they learn to control the children and to, or there, you know, so yeah.

Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's exactly that.

Reegs:Yeah. We didn't realize we were going to be watching your documentary, but.

Dan:Yeah. You know, I bring it, I bring you very much more than themes. So it's all kind of set in the suburbs of Australia and A real kind of, as, as you go through this, this whole series, it kind of changes as the children, more of a Lord of the flies kind of attitude towards each other, you know, there's

Sidey:did I kill the fat


There is a real hierarchy. They don't, they're not killing anyone cause it's, it's like that there's

Sidey:How many upsides we got in this

Dan:So I think there's eight.

For the


Sidey:Like I could watch it all.

Dan:yeah, it, it's not, it's not bad at all. Honestly, I really enjoyed this. I thought it's tough to find stuff that will appeal to a wide range of

Reegs:I think I'd have liked this as a slightly older kid. It reminded me a little bit of I always talk about this. Do you remember Tim Tyler? The boy who had his laugh stolen?

Does anybody remember


Sidey:I don't remember you talking about either. You just made that

Dan:think this is somebody you've just made up.

Reegs:Yeah, well that as well, but anyway, Tim Tyler?

Sidey:10 Brooke Taylor.



Sidey:Yeah, it's complete horseshit. I thought there was enough guide on here that I actually quite enjoyed it or they. Yeah, like you say, series one, episode one, it's hard to kind of pin down. Is this actually good or not? You need to, I think I will go back and watch another one just for myself,

just to

see how it goes.

Dan:of the kids? Because

Sidey:I thought they were respectable enough.

Reegs:No. Yeah, they were pretty good, especially.

Dan:I'll tell you it gets better as you go food.

Reegs:we've seen a few pretty awful performances.

Pete:they were old enough for, for them not to be like the kind of light, you know, like, but I know, I know what you mean. I've listened to enough episode Sidey to know what you mean. When you say you hate like child actors and stuff. And it's because it's all kind of like that stage school where he like forced singy, like acting and everything like that.


Sidey:on the website when we categorize this sort of stuff, there's a category called overly precocious child actors. I don't think we'll categorize this one is that

Pete:no, th these, these, these axes were, were old enough to kind of actually properly act as got, they were very believable characters. I found,


Dan:I tell you what, there's a lot of good stuff coming out of Australia at the moment. I think they're

Sidey:I really want to slag it, but we get a few lessons over there as well.

Dan:Yeah, no. Well,

Pete:Can I I'll slug

Dan:because I think this is this goes along with what there, the film industry and the television industry, they're building over there in Australia. They've obviously got some really good actors and I think they do this kind of stuff really well. Just pitched at that teenage kind of level.

Cause they're

Sidey:It's not hybrid away. That was it.

Dan:is no I'm in a way, but. It's it's a little wider to dinner. I think, you know, the fact that they love Floyd over there and they've got all that kind of undertone. There's a darkness around LA similar to pink Floyd's music, actually that there's a darkness to this just.

Tinge is everything, you know, it's, it's hacking it. It's implants, it's injections, it's global power and everything. There's children involved that are on the run and hiding from the authorities. I think that certainly for an older kid, a teenager, young teenager, something like this, there's enough to hold the attention and the parents themselves as well watching this.

So it's a kind of cohort.


Right. Thanks for tuning in everyone. Please do subscribe. Review us comment on our stupid inane posts on Twitter.

Dan:sorry. Sidebar even changed my Twitter handle and nobody's

liked me since. Yeah. So

Sidey:have you actually posted earlier today? Oh, okay. Thanks for joining us tonight at Dan solid nominations this week.

Dan:Good. Yeah. I'm, I'm pleased that we managed to give it an okay. I mean, this is, this is high

Pete:Six out of 10.

Dan:six fucking well place.

Sidey:Don't forget to tune in to our midweek. Episodes, which is coming up on Wednesday, which we'll be talking about something that I don't know, cause we haven't actually agreed on it yet.

Dan:We've got a special guest haven't we.

Sidey:we have, we have, we got, we got a couple of guests specialists coming up which will be shouting about on Twitter soon.

So all that remains for now is to say Sidey, signing out

Pete:pay your own dries out.