July 9, 2021

mother! & Charli's Crafty Kitchen

mother! & Charli's Crafty Kitchen
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75% of the Bad Dads wear glasses which it turns out is a decent representation of the general public according to The Vision Council who I've never heard of. That seems like an awful lot if you compare that to the number of characters in movies who wear spectacles; usually it's as much a personality trope as it is a wardrobe choice, eye wear bestowing nerdiness, intelligence or cunning depending upon the style of frames chosen. We're talking about the Top 5 Movie Spectacles and that means sunglasses are out which is a shock to some of the Dads. Will we have the vision to do it?

mother! is director Darren Aronofsky's 2017 anxiety-dream biblical allegory, a relentless crescendo of confusion, panic and horror and one of the most profoundly affecting films we've ever reviewed. Layers of subtext give meaning to virtually any interpretation you can think of with this film, though it's the strong environmental message which captures the attention in this incredible reinterpretation of the creation story. Unmissable though this may be it is absolutely not for the fainthearted as mother! contains some seriously shocking and taboo scenes so viewer discretion is advised.

We finish up this week with a visit to Charli's Crafty Kitchen, a YouTube Amazon Fire kids taste testing/baking show thing where the only discernible difference between this and any other version of the exact same thing is that they appear to leave all the mistakes in when they edit it. The food looks awful, the kids are atrocious and the whole thing is pointless. So basically I'm a curmudgeonly old man shouting at a cloud.



Reegs:Welcome to bad. Dad's film review the podcast, hosted by a bunch of beardy man children, some with exciting passes, professional athletes, some with tragic backstories, some who like to fantasize about Margaret Thatcher. We use the show as an excuse to catch up on movies. We missed when we were bringing up our kids and just for the absolute laws of it all, we talk about the things our kids watch too.

This week, we'll be discussing the top five movie spectacles, the feature film mother, that's a small

and an exclamation mark and Australian YouTube sensation. Charlie's crafty kitchen. There will be bad language and spoilers. And especially in the case of this week's movie, a trigger warning for some distressing scenes that we will have to discuss now where we are in Jersey.

We've had an 80% uptake of the first COVID vaccine dose for every person over the age of 30, which is really quite astonishing. Our local government It stated that all of the restrictions that were enacted over the last 20 months or so period I am voting to call the daft ages will not be reimplemented, Our test and trace capability is completely overwhelmed with testing taking days in many cases, and isolation is now required only for people who have a positive.

test leaving direct contacts and even those with symptoms who just haven't been tested, they can now roam free. And are in fact, obligated by law to go out and lick supermarket doorhandles and flop into public water supplies to encourage her to immunity. Fuck all of you as scared and vulnerable or confused.

You're just grist in the mill of economic recovery. So anyway all you guys out there in the rest of the world keep an eye on us because what we're doing is coming your way next, which is nice. I bring this all up because we're shaking things about this week. Dan Sidey and myself rigs are in the man cave.


Reegs:And Peter that weekend, you spent snowballing with right-side Fred and Ayman homes then setting all those 5g telephone, masts on fire turned out to be a waste of time because you've got COVID haven't you?



Peter, we have an actual COVID.

Pete:am a bit, yeah, I'm put I'm positive with it. And contrary to popular belief it's not bad in the slightest.


Sidey:tell that to the dead people. Yeah.

Pete:Well I can't. Okay. But now it's not dangerous to talk cause all the vulnerable people are dead.

Dan:And you used to work in contact tracing, so you would know?

Pete:Exactly. Right. I think that's why I was fired from contact tracing

Dan:no. The important for you as you are well with aren't you Pete you're. Okay. You're good

Pete:Yeah, I'm absolutely tipped off. I'm well enough to have a glass of wine or to join in remotely.

Reegs:Have you been watching much Pete with your enforced sort of isolation,

Pete:yes I'm in total self isolation. Luckily I at the beginning of COVID I manufactured like not quite as glorious as the man-cave, but I'm going to call it like a, a bloke Dan in in, in the back of my garage that has like a bed, a TV and a, and a desk and an office and so on.

So I'm isolating in there. It doesn't have any any sort of light plumbing. So I'm going to have to hold it in for two weeks.


Sidey:Are you sleeping in

Pete:that no. So I've been, it's been an opportunity to catch up on most of the things. So I've caught up on all of the things the list of films that society sent me to catch up on because he hasn't fucking sent me any.

So but other than that, I did break my pop, my cherry with karate kid.


the original,

Pete:the original. Yeah. I'd never seen it

Dan:that, that means you

get to watch Cobra. Kai.

Sidey:then my list was start with chronic at two and chronic at three then.

Pete:Well, that was going to be my first question is, are they other sequels worth


Pete:Okay that's fine.


Sidey:And then Cobra. Kai is fucking joyous.

Reegs:Get into Cobra Kai after that.

Pete:Cobra is what series

Sidey:Yeah. Netflix

Dan:And they seriously

Pete:I did. I did wonder I saw that one of the guys, I can't remember the, the bats the bad sensei guy. I've forgotten his


Pete:Yeah. But oh, it's crease. Okay. I thought it was like a like a, an empty Asian cause he's called John Creese.

So I thought

Sidey:he's he was a not so good. It's a good segue from last week's top five.

Reegs:it? did we have any top five nominations by the way, now that you mention it just, to


Pete:How we might want,

Sidey:I think

Reegs:Oh, Howie

Sidey:certainly mentioned.

Reegs:Wait, what was, Howie's


Sidey:Full metal jacket? Full metal jacket was definitely in there.

Dan:Mm, well, both of those

deserve a mention. But only one

Sidey:that can be any one Highlander wasn't in

Dan:No so I would go platoon just for the poster. You're dead.

Reegs:Well, it looks like Pierre in his isolation, cave is furiously Googling His fingers

are a blur. I

have you cracked the encryption yet, Peter.

Pete:no, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to find how he's thing, but I think I'm probably scanning policy, so yeah. It's  this is great

Sidey:but were you piped down and keep searching breaks or do you watch anything amazing this week?

Dan:just the homework for me this week. And obviously the the Associa have been following


Is coming

Reegs:Oh, We did come home for a little well, It was, It's on its way

Sidey:journey home continues. I didn't watch much other than the homeowners.

They hated week. I did start watching something called this could go anywhere,

Reegs:And where did, where did it go

Sidey:a sort of travel thing. It's Phil, Tufnell going to New Zealand to play golf with Brendan McCullum. They tour around New Zealand. Yeah. It's modeling amazing.

Dan:well, he's quite, he's quite good.

Sidey:toughest as it is. All right. Yeah.

It's I mean, New Zealand looks amazing. It really does look amazing. So that was quite nice. The travel log element of it. Wasn't that funny? I have to say, but I'm going to plow them that just because they look so nice.

Dan:I did actually watch a film with Chris pine and our CK


Reegs:Calvin Klein J K

Dan:J K C K J K. Tomorrow people it's called on Amazon.

It's a

Reegs:tomorrow war

Dan:the tomorrow war.

Is that what it's called?

Yeah. Yeah. So something tomorrow, tomorrow might remember the name of the film I watched last night. So that was about

two hours

Reegs:neither. It's Chris Pratt.

Dan:Yeah. What was it, Chris?

So so

Sidey:C P and J K

Dan:you want to piece all that together, there's a film on Amazon, which is okay

Reegs:And I've watched that actually. I haven't


Sidey:it's a time travel war thing, right?

Dan:yeah, yeah.

And it kind of looks at it slightly differently.

He's C K J K. He's not in at whole lot, but it's still, when he is in it, it's just great. Cause he, he elevates every scene.

Sidey:He is great. Pete, you going through for us?

Pete:no, I can't find it. So I'm going to give up, I have actually, there's one other thing that I've watched that I'd like to mention, which I've saw it's the same is what is rewatching game of Thrones, just cause it's amazing. I'm watching the Hitchcock hour,

Dan:Okay. Yeah.

Pete:it's it's basically which like really confusingly, none of them are an hour long, but it it's a load of just short stories about thereabouts 48, 45 minutes long. And they're kind of like murder, mystery, twisty. There was one of them that was fucking brilliant though. I watched the other day called the final escape.

Reegs:Sort of Twilight zone, but without the scifi,

Pete:yeah. Yeah. It's. The the actual like episodes themselves are brilliant, but the introductions by Hitchcock himself fucking bizarre, like

Dan:So this is an old, an old show. Is it you're watching or

Pete:Yeah. This is, this is

Reegs:welcome to Hitchcock's hour, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

Pete:Yeah. It's the one that we talked about leans forward and says good evening. And then thoughts and then introduces one of the episodes and it keeps cutting back to him in the middle of, yeah, sorry. One of them, he was like crushing grapes in a big barrel. Another other one.

He had his finger in a dike,



Pete:say, fuck your mental. But the episodes themselves are like, I'm not like I'm not really a Hitchcock aficionado, but you can kind of see where the like, I mean, there's this like 350 episodes or something mental like that.

Dan:this a Netflix thing, Pete or Amazon, or

Pete:I'm I'm, I'm doing it on a naughty box,

Sidey:it was probably originally broadcast with adverts, which made it an hour long.

Dan:Exactly. Yeah,

Pete:right. Okay. That'll be it then, because it does say it does actually say now we're going to cut to a message from your station or

Sidey:yeah. Station.

Pete:early sixties for run for about five years and brilliant lights. So I mean all black and white and some of it, some of the, you know, the acting isn't like top draw compared to like what you get today, but the stories are

Dan:Original ideas. Yeah. I bet there's some really clever, clever stories in there. I'll check that one.

Reegs:out. Yeah, that sounds


Sidey:That segues very nicely into this week's top five,

Dan:I didn't know until this morning didn't involve sunglasses

Reegs:Top five spectacles. It was, yeah. I was quite clear about this.


think that it's you said glasses.

did you


Pete:he's definitely said spectacles.

Dan:expect to call be some action movie. Would that be a


Dan:I mean how far how far, are we going to push?

Reegs:this? I did wonder if anybody

was going to go,

with that. So to help you out, a lot of dilemmas sunglasses are out,


out out, visors are out,

and less and less. you can make a really great case for them. I wrestled with allowing the pants you know, that the sort of armless glasses that just sort of rest on the end,


Sidey:Those anyways.

Reegs:They they're in, but not shades. So Morpheus

Sidey:that's the

only one I could think of

Reegs:Monocles are in. Basically their function has to be corrective cause like 75% of adults, I wear glasses 75.

Dan:Well, I guess so, because look,

Sidey:is that a real

Dan:three of the four here does,

Reegs:astonished at that.

Sidey:Where did you get that from?

Reegs:I Googled it.

Sidey:Okay. Cause the post I put up was just the us here, you know,

representative of

Reegs:right. According to the vision council, I don't know who they are. I think that The style council the same, Yeah. About 75% of adults use some sort of vision correction about 64% of them wear eye glasses, about 11% wear contact lenses, either exclusively or with glasses, about 164 million people in the U S almost 40 million in the UK.

I feel this is massively underrepresented in movies.


Pete:I'm misrepresented.

Reegs:Yeah. Because you know, glasses, I guess can be a pain sort of lighting or camera wise extra shadows or highlights on faces, that, you know, maybe reflections to deal with,

Dan:But they're absolutely vital in making some characters, the characters they are without glasses.

You just couldn't picture some characters,

Reegs:Well it instantly means

things in movies and films. Doesn't it. When somebody is wearing glasses, not that it does in real life, but

Sidey:Well, in that case, since you've got such stringent rules, do you want to faraway,

Reegs:bla bla bla bla bla bla. I could not blub. I'm going to talk about Kevin, the mute cannibal killer

who prays

on prostitutes in Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez, sin city so Elijah would I really liked this movie.

We've talked about it a couple of times. Kevin lives at the rock family farm, and he uses the basement of the farmers and execution chambers for his victims He kills and eats them. And then he mounts their heads on the walls, like hunting trophies. It's, it's just fucking twisted. Kevin kills, Mickey Rourke's mom's one, true love.

So there's a, just a huge bloody fight between them. Eventually Marv overpowers him and feeds him to his own dogs. And he smiles

with a blissful

smile on his face. It's chilling. It's utterly like the comic book just brought to life. Although the characters are slightly different and the glasses are a key part of it.

Sometimes you can see his eyes. Sometimes you can't. There a really big visual feature is one of the first things I thought of when this topic came up.

Dan:Okay well, I'm going to go for the obvious one because why not?

Superman Clark Kent? Never has a character used his glasses to such effect really?

Sidey:but what Riggs just said was they had to be corrective.

And I don't think

that's Clark Kent needed the assistance of spectacles because I had that, but I was wondering if he was going to kick off.

Dan:Well, I dunno, he might, now that you've said

Reegs:I hadn't occurred to me and it was on my list, but I think they should be banned.

Sidey:They are an incredible disguise though. It has to be said.

Dan:it's, it's unbelievable. For mild-mannered Clark Kent to to Superman you.

Wow Re-examine it is.

as simple as

Reegs:disappeared. Where's he

Dan:are you in his place? As a kid, this never really convinced me that the world couldn't see who he was.

Sidey:Well, he did also kind of slick his hair back a bit.

Dan:yeah, there was, there was a few other minor changes, but I'm still was a as a six year old kid watching Superman. I still wasn't tricked. I knew that was him just by looking at him.


Reegs:Wait, if the it's not the glasses though, is it? it's what they represent Cause it's supposed to be that is so different that you would never ever.

I mean, of course that's just completely lost when in

Sidey:a bumbling. So

Reegs:Well, he is in the Christopher Reeves went in the, in the recent ones, he's kind of basically the same person, whether he's Superman or Clark.

Dan:But yeah,

I did actually mean the Christopher Reeve ones because that's

the ones

that I grew up with. And then I think there was the, the famous scene where he's, he's bumbling around the office. He's bumping into everything. He's constantly adjusting his glasses and then he hears somebody in trouble.

He runs downstairs into the telephone box and he's out. Brilliant.

Sidey:Oh, I feel like I'm going to have a battle on my hands.

You said no visors, unless there was a very good reason. Scott Summers is Cyclops in the X man and

Reegs:they are corrective

Sidey:wears visor because they are corrective and they also prevent him from just laser beaming, everyone in the room with his eyes. So

Dan:that would be

Sidey:that they're more protective than corrective probably. But I feel like they were an essential part of the character.

Reegs:Yes, I agree.

Yeah, go on. Let in.

Dan:We're just letting anything

Reegs:I think if I know, but if I had laser vision, like I correct my short and long sightedness, but if I had laser sightedness, I would also, want to correct


Pete:so rigs, can we, can we just get this straight? So you said they have to be corrected and they cannot be visors. And in the first two shouts from other people you've allowed non corrective and

Sidey:he did say unless you make a very good case for them. So you just got to make a good enough case, Pete,

Reegs:Superman never didn't go in, did it? I don't

think we, allowed it.

Pete:we start making strong cases for sunglasses?


Pete:What about corrective sunglasses? All the way to corrective sunglasses.

Reegs:Nope. Yes. Correct. If sunglasses, if you can prove the character at them is yeah. All right. Corrective sunglasses. I wear them as well.

We Yeah.

Pete:Oh, is it, is it my turn? Well, I might, I might as well go big because it's iconic and there's only other one guy. There's only one other guy in the room or not in this room because I'm by myself. But in, in your room who would give this character and franchise to love and that's Harry Potter

and yeah, he, he I think kids, I don't know.

I mean, Clark has right up there, but Harry Potter is he many more iconic characters who wear glasses? One question I have got is. Surely there must be a spell that they can use to just correct eyesight. Like he breaks his arm in one of the

Dan:Doesn't even need us. I think there's actual surgery. You could just go in for that good name.

Pete:yeah, but maybe not in the, in the in the Harry Potter world. In fact, I did actually do some research and there's, there's a loss of characters in the Harry Potter franchise that where the wear glasses, obviously Dumbledore has got them. You've got the half moon glasses. You've got a lot of professor McGonigal off the, we easily Percy where you see like this there's a lot of people.

There's Rita Skeeter with glasses as well.

Reegs:Rita Skeeter.

Pete:Rita Skeeter. Yes. That's

Dan:I do like the

Pete:by Miranda Richardson.

Sidey:I think. Yeah. Hydro is a great shout. And I think one of the tests of how effective the glasses are when they translate into fancy dress. So you can just put a gown on and you're just a generic. Which or whatever, but as soon as you put those glasses on, you know exactly who that person is supposed to be, so, yeah, exactly.

So I think that's a good one.


Pete:also I think if you're, if you're a kid at school and I don't know if bullying still goes on, but if you're a kid at school and you wear glasses, you're getting called Harry Potter


And if you're fat, so it's on the night, Harry porker or something like that?

Pete:Or you've got, yeah, you've got like a bed you're Harry Potter. And so, yeah, but

Reegs:Honestly there's billions of them guys just make your own up.

Pete:apparently the reason why Harry Potter has glasses is that JK Rowling herself wore glasses as a child. And when she, when she fed up with reading books where the characters that had glasses were always the brainy one.

So she wanted to create a hero

Reegs:He was an idiot.

Pete:a guy wearing gloves and do a moron, but like a main sort of protagonist with with glasses on. And I'll give five points to society. If he can tell me the spell that repairs glasses.

Sidey:have a clue

Pete:Oh, it's all keyless repair row, obviously.

Reegs:keyless repair Oh, All right.


Pete:So if I have you brought your glasses, just bring them round and I'll get repair them.


Reegs: will Smith turned down the lead role in the matrix to star in this movie that I don't think I've ever talked about on the pod before being a huge fan of the television series So it was based upon he later said it was the worst decision he made in his career. It's wild, wild west. It's amazing that in a steam punk Western where president Ulysses S grant must be rescued from the clutches of a diabolical wheelchair bound.

Confederate scientists played by Kenneth Branna bent on revenge for losing the civil war and a climax in which he terrorizes everyone in a giant mechanized spider. The idea that there might be a black man as a top government agent, four years after the end of the civil war simply cannot be made believable.


Dan:has done some stinkers isn't he?


Reegs:it's Barry Sonnenfeld it's. This is right up there with really awful shit, but there is a good scene in it where, Kenny parameter Artimis Gordon, he's got a device that can project the last thing, a murder victims. saw before he dies, when they tend to do it.

yesterday to Mount the victim's decapitated, head onto it, and then it's like a projector sort of thing. And at first it's like really blurry I this city, So he just picks up the glasses from the table and he puts on

their Donny beams.


Dan:okay. Well, I've got a film that I don't think we've talked about before.

It's called top secret with Val Kilmer. Can you remember this film is like a spoof film of a spy kind of story. And in one scene, Val Kilmer goes into a place called the backwards library, I think is where Peter Cushing is there Cushing Peter Cushing, the old kind of, yeah. And he played Dr.

Flammen who had the, the part I remember he's actually holding a magnifying glass up to his eye. Can you remember this part? And when he takes the magnifying glass away, so his eyes just look

Reegs:huge huge,

Dan:and then when he takes it away, he's actually nothing changes. He's just got a huge guy. And he does then reach for his glasses afterwards, which has got one massive glass eye,

Reegs:it's, Leslie Nielsen in this


I don't know. He may have a small part in it. Leslie Nielsen. There's a few. Kind of characters that, that jump in and it was a big one for Val Kilmer, I think at a time. Cause this is a young Val, but there's there's laughs in this, one of the ends is, as they're saying goodbye to everyone and she's going, oh, I'll miss you the most miss Mr.

Scarecrow, who hasn't been in it at all. Like, you know, it just goes on and on all these spoofs that weighs into different films that have been out around the time and, and big culturally. It's a funny one, a, a nice one to check out with the kids as well and great spectacles

Sidey:Cool. There's a kind of certain style of glasses that appear quite frequently.

And I've got a little team of them here. First up, it'd be Michael Caine and the  file. As Harry Palmer, they're the sort of black thick rims I'm sort of wearing something relatively similar, says Briggs. They are sort of kind of old fashioned the ones that Michael Kane is wearing. I buy Curry and Paxton.

Dan:I know the ones you mean they're really shit looking ones.

Aren't they

Sidey:yes. Yes they are. Yeah. Similar glasses worn by Austin Powers in the Austin Powers movie. And our team captain is that cheeky sexual perverts. Woody Allen also has the similar vibe going on with his glasses.

Reegs:That's a nice trio. Yeah,

Dan:you've just reminded me of, of another character.

That's got similar glasses. So I'll just wait you in it's Gary booty in the film body buddy, Holly. Cause they're very much buddy. Holly style glasses. Aren't they?

Reegs:um D fence from falling down where his, those style.

Sidey:I have not seen that yet. And it's on Netflix. I keep meaning to watch it, but I never get time.

Reegs:That should be a midweek,

or for sure.

Sidey:Pete. You're up.

Pete:Okay. Girl really, really cool. Well, funny character is a favorite of mine break top from a snack.

 he's strange in that he's kind of terrifying, but also laughable at the same time. He he talks about how he, when he walks into a room and there's, most of the people that don't know him don't think a great deal of him, but the one that does, who had just happened to be like the Yardi in the room is looking pretty sheepish.

Cause he knows that he's a, he's a horrible gangster. He keeps pigs and, and feeds, feeds bodies to them. But he's got some, some pretty hefty gloves with the plate by Alan Ford. And you've got, yeah, I think it needs probably like a bigger version of the, the Michael Caine glasses that you're talking about side.

And I think he must be, he must be pretty long sighted, so we can't see close up because the lens is convex. So they make his eyes look a lot bigger. So he yeah, it makes him look almost like kind of cartoony. They do quite a lot of shots of him in the film and he quite menacing.

Dan:he's a nasty character. Isn't he? He's a, if I fro a dog about, I don't want to narrow it fucking case and he's like really heavy.

Pete:Well he's got some great lines in it, obviously there's the, you know, do you know what nemesis means and stuff, and then describes himself as an honorable. But yeah, he he was one of the first people who have when it came to bespectacled people in film.


Reegs:In gremlins, in gremlins


when he takes the brain serum. Yeah. He sort of he's off screen for like a second and you can see a shadow, but it just instantly just like gets a pair of glasses out from nowhere. And that's part of how You can tell that he's.


Yeah. The joker says to Batman in the Tim Burton one, you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses.

Would you But he does smacks him right in the face? Similarly ACE Ventura, when nature calls, do you remember the, the monocle wearing guy and he's got a sort of like his message has got a Fox around her neck or something. So

Pete:Oh, the monopoly

Reegs:yeah, the monopoly guy. So he lays him, he lays him out, and then drapes him over his shoulders, like a scarf and he's singing and dancing.

And then he sort of hands this guy back to the, he's like a tiny little bald guy with glasses well, I'm on a call and he hands it back to the the woman. He says, it's lovely, but I fancy myself in autumn and he sort of swans off.

Dan:Poppy on the original puppy or had Dustin Hoffman playing Louis Dega, who was a financier sent to French, going on with Pappy on basically for the rest of their lives.

They're going to go out into devil's island and live the rest of their lives there and Degas glasses. Similar to the ones that Pete talked about earlier and, and kind of a mix with were very thick rim thick set glasses that you can see the eyes right through. But they've been kind of handmade as well.

So look a little bit like Harry Potter's with the, with the wires on and everything. And it really brings his character to life. Actually, you know, you can see that this is a guy who spent his entire life behind a book or behind a desk in a ledger. He's not a hard criminal. And he obviously is a. A high profile character.

They're a high profile prisoner. Everybody thinks he's got money. Everybody wants him to, to, to shake him down a little bit and Steve McQueen and Pappy, or take him under his wing a little bit and protects him on the long boat ride to, to French going on or where they end up settling in. And without his glasses, he's completely lost.

You know, I think there's one scene where he's lost his glasses do get lost and he's one of those people that literally cannot see

what's in front of them. If they haven't got their glasses is a fantastic character. And it's, it's really just a wonderful, wonderful film that

Reegs:How, how bad are you without your glasses?


Reegs:Yeah. Hey, Well, what about you?

Pete:Yeah, I'm pretty shit on both short and long side. I said, I wouldn't be able to read anything without my glasses on. I'm all right. Driving without them, but yeah, no, I'm pretty terrible. I'm a, like a permanent window face

Reegs:Yeah, yeah, me too. Me too. I've worn glasses basically. Ever since I can remember, which is about when I was 16.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dan:No. So far so good, but yeah, I imagine it will, it will come around to me. Yeah. Mara time. Another 50, 60 years I'll probably be wearing them.

Pete:Yeah, it's just everything else that's filed


Sidey:Oh, I might get shot down here, but Spider-Man far from home. It's the film following


Sidey:following end and game and Tony stark has passed, but he has left some of his tech to Peter Parker of which includes a pair of glasses.


Reegs:They're not corrective though. are they, I

think that's going to have to be a

Sidey:Is that a no? Okay.

Well, let's go for cast your mind back. Not too far, but there was a briefly great, but ultimately disappointing series called heroes and they're sort of shady. Bureaucrat villainy guy was called Noah Bennett, but, but more often known as a horn rimmed glasses because he had horn-rimmed glasses.

Reegs:And those first two words were in the name of your sex tape. I think.

the horn rep yeah, it season one was really good.

Sidey:And then it was tired after

Reegs:it was just awful. Yeah. I tried to commit, I think I watched all of season two to convincing myself. It was like, okay. But it

Sidey:They even tried to bring it back. They rebooted it and it was turd again,

Pete:I've just just very quickly. I've got another TVs TV series one, just because it's mighty one and it's such a fucking good TV series. I wouldn't say the glasses are iconic, but those worn by Walter White or Heisenberg is another sort of main character that wears glasses. But the one I'm going to go for is the only member of the seven drawers to wear glasses.

Who was doc? I think again, just kind of perpetuating this. Well, I'm going to say myth. The people who wear glasses are more intelligent than anyone

Dan:all the reading they've done.

Pete:Well, that must be it. I guess, back in the day when glasses weren't as easy to come by or whatever, then the people who went to the bother of getting them so that they could see things, but be read books that would kind of class them as, as more intelligent than other people, I guess.


Reegs:What? A punch at Dick's reading books.

Pete:Oh, yeah, I can watch telly now. So it's fine. But yeah, so I talk is the only it's the only guy or the only dwarf to wear glasses. And he's also the only dwarf whose name is not an adjective.


there you

come. This is the kind of

content that we are filled Yeah, this is,

Pete:Well, that's, that's what, that's what you sort of deliver. If you've got lots of time on your hands that, that, and masturbating.

Reegs:No ice out is a movie that we reviewed on the pod and it has lots of close-ups and lots of characters. Who've got glasses in it. Jamie Lee, Curtis, you know, with the


Reegs:Yeah. And Daniel Craig he had them as well

Ben, why

blank. Thank you. What was interesting about it is when I was looking today, I saw that the way that the production had like sculpted to reshape the lighting equipment into the scenery.

So. To see things that you'd realistically expect to see reflected in the glasses, because there were so many characters wearing glasses and it's really clever the way they did it. There's a behind the scenes shot of Jamie Lee Curtis, shown in the movie where it looks like windows are being reflected back into her glasses, but it's taken from the other side You can see the lighting rig with this like fake window frame deployed in front of it.

Presumably it is a pain in the ass having characters, with and there are some famous examples aren't there even a matrix and stuff. of things being reflected like lighting and stuff like that, that you shouldn't have seen, but that was sunglasses. So,

fuck that. Do you remember anybody see the Charlie sheen?

Baseball movie,

major league?

Yeah. And he's

Ricky wild thing Vaughn and he's got shit eyesight, but he puts on glasses like buddy Holly style ones. And he's absolutely amazing. I haven't seen that movie probably for 20 odd years. I remember it being absolutely brilliant.

Sidey:Yeah. I

Reegs:I probably, I bet if I revisited it now, I, I wouldn't think so, but just leave that one there.

Dan:Yeah. Maybe it might be one of those that's Beth best left. I broke my glasses. Anyone get that from that brilliant impression. It was a cost piggy from Lord of the flies. Which is well, it's, it's a classic book and I think this film came out probably about 1980 or 1985 between those years. Because I watched it when I was quite young.

And it's about it's about loads of

boys that are find themselves alone on an island and eventually start learn. Yeah. They go Farrow in and start policing themselves and, and there's divisions within the campus. As some of the boys bully other boys and it gets worse and worse. And piggy is the, the, the portly young lad who wears glasses and those, you know, Strong glasses that if he loses much like a Louis Dega he's goosed without, and of course, during one of the raids in the fights, his glasses get smashed, which pretty much leaves Peggy

you know,

blind okay.

Across the island. If things get worse for Peggy as well, it doesn't, it doesn't go well for him. But it's, it's a classic film and a huge spectacle moment. I felt


Dan:it uses the, the spectacles is a bit of a plot

Reegs:device Absolutely. Considering what a huge part of culture it was. I I've neither read the book nor seen the film. I do know the story, but

Sidey:I spent in a different,

Reegs:I think We, were, yeah.


Pete:It's a film. Any good though.


Dan:it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Pete:already read the book, but I might give at the

Sidey:I read a book.

Reegs:Yeah. And the auntie's got


Was a nerd.

Dan:You didn't have to tell us, you read books. We could tell

Sidey:if I said the name, Martha Plimpton, would anyone know who she is?

Reegs:Sounds familiar, but I'm not going to get it. I don't

Sidey:She is an actress who played a character whose name I don't have in the Goonies.



not the,

Reegs:she's the one that gets off with them in the

Sidey:yeah, she has those kind of big ass, like really shit glasses that are like super fucking trendy.

Reegs:Jarvis Cocker style,

almost Like, enormous

Sidey:look like almost like the Dennis Taylor kind of Snoke glasses that like hipster, London types probably wear them, you know, empty frames with no actual lens in them at all. So she was ahead of her time in the trendiness.

Dan:Those glasses reminded me a little bit for no reason. They go out of Ghostbusters,

Reegs:Janine Melnitz

Jeanine Melnitz I had her on my list. Yeah. that's a good one.

Sidey:I've got another girly one, which is Rachel Lee cook. She plays Laney bogs in she's. She's all that. It's another sort of disguise because she is bogging when she's wearing glasses, but it turns out against all odds.

She's actually super hot. Yeah. She just needed a bit of a make-over yeah.

Dan:Clark Kent thing going on.

Pete:couple of quick mentions Napoleon dynamite obviously keeps getting mentioned and also his brother kept both of them work glasses. They're both cool or not cool, but the glasses I wear glasses. Love it.


Pete:Yeah. He wears like little oval glasses and a shirt, waist coat. And my son's names, POGIL. He yeah, he's, he's an amusing character in that for, in a lot of brilliant film. The one next we're gonna mention, I don't know if this counts actually, because I'm not sure if they're goggles or not, but all of the minions from the despicable, me franchise and vineyard, what we have in there.

Reegs:Well, it's, it's that protective? It's that like PPE rather

Pete:Well there's a lot of, there's a lot of like theories online about this. There's no actual concrete sort of evidence as to whether they glasses or goggles. Yet. There, there are theories that, that they're protective goggles. Cause obviously that they're like, you know, making things and, and it's protective eyewear.

And also because it seeming like you never see them blink, so maybe they don't have any eyelids.

there might be a protective, there's another theory that because they're minions and originally the, the, the minion now the word minion is, is like a worker for the devil. And so in order to like mingle in like around on without being kind of like suspected of anything, they, they wear glasses.

So that, that, I don't know, they're left kind of, they look less like the devil's henchmen or whatever.

Reegs:And this is in the movie. Is it?


Pete:Well, if you're not seeing any of these

movies no none of this is in the movie

Reegs:I don't these are the parts that I, that went over my head.

Pete:No, these are, these are not theories of the move. These are like theories that are not aligned. Remember again, I've had so much time on my hands. I've been researching. I've been researching why the minions wear glasses? This, yeah. Lots and lots of

Dan:Can we just roll this out? So all this research is wasted

Pete:Yeah. Like the creators have never actually got come out and confirmed,

but they all These glasses slash goggles, whatever you want to call them.

Reegs:I think until we get the word of God from the author,

Sidey:it has to be an honorable mention, then not a full nomination.


Dan:Can't have

Pete:okay. Fine. Well, move on. I've only got a couple more, but move on.

Reegs:Yeah, I'll just last couple. When I saw this on British TV, I think it was called a night on the town which is a really inferior title to adventures in babysitting. Anybody remember that movie with Elizabeth


She plays somebody called Chris. She's got a big night planned out with her boyfriend canceled.

So she has to babysit for these people. She settled in for a really Dole night when her friend Brenda calls her to say, she's marooned at the bus station and she's like last day she's had her glasses stolen and she's like wandering round the bus station, blindly. And she like mistakes of rat for a kitten and she drives to pick it up.

And yeah, so the glasses are like the driving part of the plot. It's got Vincent D'Onofrio playing Thor.

If Anybody

Anybody remember this movie? No, just me.

shame on you. it's a good eighties. Could sort of John Hughes, but not John Hughes, Clarence Bodecker. We always talk about a Robocop. He wears glasses he was made to resemble Heinrich Himmler. So I'm not friend of the pod Groucho Marx

Or any of the Groucho Marx movies really You just stick a grout you know, stick Like not even in like, oh, you must watch. this. No, it's just good. And my last one was going to be Gregory Peck in to kill a Mockingbird as Atticus Finch that, you know, his glasses are so much a part of his character.

Dan:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I I'm just going to rattle through three that I've got left.

Mr. Holland's Opus is one of the films that I actually really liked.


dry first plays a music teacher and it goes through his life. And throughout that film, he wears glasses or Ellie, I think he does take them off in one scene, but then he puts them back on because he wants to see something.

That's how I hate glasses work. The other one is is Ralphie from a Christmas story, which I made your watch,

I think

at Christmas or so back when he wanted his red wider carbine action, 200 shot range rifle. And then everyone told him he will shoot his eye out. And of course he did and smashed his glasses whilst doing that.

In fact, those glasses probably saved his eye and the other one is


Reegs:I hated that film. I hated that

Dan:Oh, good.


Dan:is from Groundhog day and a Ned will come up to the Phil every, every day. And Tell him, I miss you so much in everything. But I just

Reegs:so good. Those scenes,


Reegs:like one time he kisses him one time he lays him out.

Dan:He actually turns it white round on him. Two or three, sometimes he's just smashed him in the face and wanders off, but Ned bias in had some great glasses

Sidey:Oh, here's a list of some that you won't let me have.

Reegs:Well to save them for when the thing that we can have them in can we

Sidey:Well, I don't think that would go into this one either. One of Beth's cronies in back the features called 3d because he wears 3d glasses all the time.

Reegs:I think that's probably all right.

Sidey:They're not corrective though. I don't think.

Reegs:You don't

Pete:correct. Correct. The film for him.

Sidey:Yeah. Okay. Then my favorite Nicholas cage movie is national treasure where he destroys ancient documents and artifacts in order to save one document part of the plan he has to wear some 3d glasses invented by Benjamin Franklin, but they're just for that one part of the plot. They're not really corrective glasses in that sense.

Reegs:They're ridiculous. Those movies aren't they? But they're quite good. Fun. Yeah.

Sidey:Yeah. The world is not enough. Is the James Bond film. It doesn't feature Timothy Dalton. Sadly. It has peers. He has some x-ray specs that he wears in a casino, which allows him to see who is carrying a weapon. And also you can see all the girl's underwear, but none of the blokes underwear.


Reegs:Specifically, they're only underwear, like deep. They can't.

Sidey:Yeah. They can't, you don't see any like Bursch or tits, you just see.


They only go one layer deep. It

Reegs:seems like a limitation to me. Cause if you were a gunman, you'd be like, I'm just going to wear the gun under my pants. Yeah. And then it'll, it'll be fine.

Sidey:And then one that you should allow is water soap check has some yellow tinted glasses and they're not sunglasses because he has them on throughout the entirety of the film, indoor and outdoor. So they're obviously something. Correctional color thing that he has. And he's one of the greatest characters of all time too.

So that's my list.

Pete:Okay. I'm just going to finish up really quickly with my list of glasses. Not anything else on big Patrick Bateman from American psycho, he has glasses. They are actually based on the glasses that Gregory Peck was in to kill a Mockingbird. And also I think like a quiet, like quiet iconic one, I guess is chief Brody from jaws is wearing some, I guess, aviators, but they're not sunglasses.

He's wearing those throughout the film predominantly. And the last one I like to finish on is I don't know if you're aware of the character full of McAllister, who is the cousin of Kevin McAllister in the home Malone franchise played by, played by McCone Calkins brother, Karen CalCare,

 Sidey:Excellent. Right then rigs, what are you going to put in the volt?

Reegs:I'm going to put sin city in


Dan:well, it comes back around to me. I'm, I'm torn between Louis Dega Dustin Hoffman in puppy on and Ned Bryson. I think I'm gonna have to give it to Louis Degas and Dustin Hoffman.

Sidey:, I will put in Walter subject

Reegs:Oh, nice

Pete:I'm going to go with Harry Potter.


Dan:nice glasses.

Sidey:I saw four eyes.


Dan:Char  is cheese.

Reegs:There's only one cheese board tonight. It's not in the man-cave, which is a bit of a shame, but what is on the G's board? Peter.

Pete:Yeah, I was lucky enough to still take a delivery of cheese before my incarceration. So I'm sorry to say for you guys. But not so much for me that this is probably the best spread that we've had. I'll hold them up to the camera for, for your viewing pleasure, but also describe them.

So we've got an Ash soft unpasteurized goat's cheese. As you can see, comes in a sort of a pyramid, which is is from the Lua.

Reegs:It's a lovely place.


Dan:down there once

Reegs:Oh, nice. I went there With

my wife before we had kids, it was blessed.

Dan:I remember those days. Yeah,

Pete:We've also got here a pecorino Al Tartufo, which I think is I think it's to probably means truffle because this has a it says here don't just take my word for it. A gorgeous score zone, the truffle aroma. Although it is, it is non-invasive ill, ill feel renos use found in the sea bound Hills of Mattermark.

And that's where this soft pecorino comes from.

Reegs:oh, it's so evocative The semen bound Hills

Dan:Yeah. The bee's knees of cheese you've got there really looks

Pete:We've also got, I think, I think one of the better blues I've I've ever had is but blue right here, which as you can see, it's quite quite, it's, it's a small a small round of blue cheese, which are, they're quite hard to come by apparently. And the, the bluing can be a little sporadic but the flavors that it brings permeate the entire cheese.

Reegs:all right.



Pete:I think definitely that, that now I like Brie is brief for me, but this, this right here is a greed, the mode. Which is and I will read the full description of it, the promise of soft riches that glide down the tongue


Pete:three demoed cheese eases away from its cross, from the ILD of France outside Paris and made by the donga family nine times winner of the coveted midday door, full flavored with a common bailout fruitiness.

Absolutely. The real


I would,

Dan:winner. You can't, you can't shake your head too much at that. I mean

Pete:no, I mean, it's, it's a nine times Medina door winner. So what are you going to do?

Reegs:if your hideous virus Laden hands weren't all over it, I would be all over that cheese.

Sidey:Just disappointing cheese update is that, that is the last delivery of the current subscription that you have,

Pete:that is, that is the last delivery of the current subscription. Although I think yeah. Mechanisms are being put in place to ensure that, that, you know, this can be something that is resurrected

Reegs:getting the finances

Sidey:me and Pete, you're going to read up on the subscription.

Reegs:get a, you know, just make it move if you you know, financial positions, that sort of thing.

Pete:exactly. Right, exactly. Right. Just sell some out release some assets, realize some assets. Yeah. The sad irony of tonight is that because I got COVID, I can't taste any of these.

Reegs:Oh is that a fact? Can you, can you.

Pete:No no no, I can't. I can taste them all. There's absolutely fucking nothing wrong with me, but I still have to isolate according to

Reegs:That is debatable, I would say.

Sidey:Do you remember the series of Alan Partridge where he was in the Nordic travel Tavern?


Sidey:There was a scene where he was having a meeting with a BBC exec and he got a massive slab of cheese and shoved it in front of his face. Do you remember what he said? He said yes.

And that segues very nicely into this week's movie, which was mother.



good. Very good. So mother is a 2017 movie about which I knew virtually nothing before watching. So that's my caveat out of the way. I knew a few things about it was by a director, Darren Aronofsky, who did PI Requiem for a dream nowhere, the wrestler black Swan he's a guy I like, he makes interesting ambitious movies that often deal with Jewish theology in abstract ways.

And this movie had absolutely polarized critics in the public, perhaps more so than any other movie I'd ever heard of. That was the, the thing about it. And I knew it had a great cast, Jennifer Lawrence, who proved her acting chops in the likes of American hustle and Javier Bardem who was obviously really great, but I knew nothing of the plot, What type of movie it was, et cetera, disclaimer, out of the way trigger warning, because this was something when this

was, this was a movie

Sidey:had sort of, as soon as it got into it, I had mid summer vibes and that sort of tense, I didn't know it was a horror at all. It was


Sidey:the day after you nominated Pete screenshots, the thing off his computer, where it said horror, and he put you horrible fucker or something like that, it's a fucking horror film.

So then you're going into the film knowing, and I was just sort of on edge thinking, you know, cause it's slow, not slow, but there's just, it's, it's a small setting. It's a house. It's a very, you know, it's a couple in a house is how it starts. So you're there. Like we've got, you know, you're waiting for something to start

Dan:Put me on the back foot

Reegs:actually it's not quite the house because the first thing you see is a woman burning in flames and smiling at the camera and she, she S there's screams and stuff, and then it all kind of melts away to Ash. And then, you see a crystal being placed in a bookcase and then, then the whole everything sort of regenerates. And you're like what, and then it does go into this sort of slow paced,

Sidey:but you are sort of eased in nicely by Jennifer Lawrence boobs.

Reegs:They were prominent. Weren't they? I wondered how much we were going to talk about this

Sidey:probably then. Fantastic as well.


She walks around the house. looking, she wakes up out of bed. She says, baby, I think

Dan:yeah she she's she's alone. Isn't she a bed and obviously slings out and arm looking to, to reach out and touch someone who isn't there. And then goes looking around the house for her partner.

Reegs:Yes. She finds the partner. The partner is him. The, the names in this are sort of all fairly abstract. She, is mother so Jennifer Lawrence, his mother, he is him heavier burden is him. I know she goes flip from outside and he startled. her. yeah. Yeah.

Sidey:He, he is a sort of, I think it was a poet and he is struggling with a writer's block. And which is causing some tension and some frustrations because. He just can't get any work done. And he has his sort of work shop, study area, which is like a forbidden private sanctuary where he does his work.

And no one is allowed to enter. It's also the room where,

Reegs:although it's not clear that he is actually doing any work in a particularly Yeah,

Sidey:it? No, but it's his, it's his man-cave if you like. And it's also where that crystal is sitting on a shelf and it's, it's, it's strictly forbidden for anyone else to go in there.

That's his private sort of sanctuary where he,

Dan:w which is the theme for lots of writers and creatives, isn't it.

They want a, a space where only they will be able to go and work, and they have the privacy of letting their ideas sit on a table, which aren't fully formulated and things like that. And she is fixing up the house

Reegs:she's renovating

Dan:Yeah. And it's a, it's a big, old, beautiful house out in the, out, in the middle of just some, some fields, which are all beautifully surrounded by trees and long grass


Dan:It's is absolutely idyllic and, and a huge house as well. Has when it zooms out and you see the house, it has every potential to, to be a house of horrors. Doesn't it? Because there is just remote. It looks absolutely fantastic. But

Reegs:it's the remoteness,  while she's painting the, one of the rooms.

She walks towards the wall and she touches it and she sees a vision of a sort of beating heart within the walls.

Dan:Yeah. She, and, and that's it. You get the first signs then that this film is a little different or there's something I'm not quite clear and it's early in the film. You don't expect it to be all laid out in front of you, but I must admit for about 45 minutes in this film, I just felt uneasy all the way through.

I just felt like that feeling that I'm going to get, you know, is going to be a jump scare or there's going to be something happened. I couldn't put my finger on it, but you follow mother around and as the film develops, there's a knock on the door and it's a, it's a gentleman. And I was a surprised, I don't know if you guys to see ed Harris said the door, you know, so ed Harris turns up at the door and it's a conversation you don't hear.


Reegs:you hear

bits of

Dan:hit bits of it through it

Reegs:be a doctor, he says something about he mistakes, their house for a bed and breakfast. It's all very confused, but he's welcomed into the house. Straight away.

Sidey:Yeah, man just is happy to have people around, whereas everything we've seen of, of mother, she, to me just seemed like she was constantly confused or wasn't quite sure where he was or what was going

Reegs:Well, she's taken it back though. This guy has turned up in

Sidey:yeah. But in everything she doesn't, she look she's lost. He just seems to be lost

Reegs:She's quite innocent

I think

Dan:besotted with with him. And she wants to do everything to, to fix the house, make it look beautiful. It was the house he grew up in.

It was a house that he, that his creativity needs and she felt that she wanted to, to bring that back to him and give him all that good stuff. So when ed Harris knocks on the door and just gets invited into the house and suddenly they're getting on like a house on fire and he's given him the attention that she wanted herself.


Reegs:it's not just that though. It is complete disregard for her

feelings. He

invites the guy in, they go off and have a lull and she's like wary and he never picks up on that. and talk to her about it, you know, it it's a theme.

Pete:I think because the the, the film sort of stays with her. Pretty much all the way through, I mean, it may break away from hub for some scenes or whatever, but the majority of the film stays with her. So you're in the same kind of sort of space as she is where this guy has just knocked on the door, total stranger, not known to either of them.

And yeah, you seem to just be kind of welcomed with open arms and then there are all these conversations and little things that you're missing is what as she is. So understandably she's really sort of like suspicious and taken aback by this guy's presence, but he kind of greets this guy almost like a, an old friend.

And and I think it, you know, the film really cleverly puts you in the same kind of also say like Headspace as her in the am I missing something here? Why is this, this person just allowed to just infiltrate our lives when we're clearly here trying to create this she's the one that's like, you know, quite sort of poignantly she's the one that's creating the, like the, the household and the environment.

And he's the one that's then using that as his creativity to, to do his like carry out his art.



Pete:I think

Dan:I was just gonna say, Pete, you you're right. I felt the same, actually that I was, I felt like I was seeing it through her eyes and I was feeling what she, she would felt. And that was on top of the, the anxiety of Ahmed about the beast, scared the shit out at some point, but I was starting to feel pretty pissed off that I didn't know what was going on.

I felt like, what the fuck are you doing over there? Just coming into the house and everything. And.


Pete:There's confusion. This suspicion yeah, there's just, just like you

Dan:And a feeling of what the fuck would you do that for? Like, you know, I was pissed off for her that he was just oblivious to any think that he was doing was having an effect. And he just didn't pick up on it. Did he,

Reegs:part of that comes from the fact that he welcomed this guy in, because the guy turns out to be a big fan of his book.

This the, the, the poet, that, you know, you seen his book on the shelf a few times. And he loves the adulation from this man straight away, It like really massages his ego. And at the same time, as he's like having these big chats with this guy that he doesn't know, you know, mother has, has been absolutely adoring him and encouraging him been supportive in his work.

She's tried to be his muse she's you know, she's done nothing, but, but before him and her love and needs and wants and support is basically ignored



Dan:not appreciated.

Pete:a lot of

Reegs:And you feel that, like he was saying, Pete, that's why I was like putting on to that because you feel that's part of what you feel as well about his character, because you're so much in mother's business.

Pete:Yeah. And, and in a lot of ways, as well as, as the viewer, even though you're sort of very sort of sympathetic to her. Cause as the viewer you're looking at this as like let's face it, like she's, she's the perfect kind of like woman in, in a lot of ways in that, you know, she's, she's stunning, she's kind, she loves, she's providing love.

She wants to provide, you know, don't do it. You

Reegs:she's good with DIY, which is

really good. Cause I'm shit.

Pete:style. They are why she seems to be a good Curt. This is, I mean, it doesn't show many ironing scenes or anything, but there's definitely some, there's a lot,

Sidey:was given, that was a given

Pete:ticking every single box there. And yet he seems almost kind of

Reegs:he's ambivalent

Pete:yeah he's like I'm beveling to her because you know, he's, he's, he's so conceited that he's far more sort of intrigued by the, the sort of like the adulation that he's getting from a bloody stranger as opposed to from his light.

Stunning. Y

Sidey:They sort of frustration then escalates the next day when women,

Reegs:well, hang on. There's one bit just that's worth mentioning is that the man has a puking fit and then he's got, he gets too drunk and she goes to him. You don't really see it, but there's like a wound

in his side.

Isn't there and it just flashes and it gets covered it really quickly and then wakes up the next morning. Everything's fine. And then, like you said,

Sidey:it's Michelle Pfeiffer. Now you mentioned it before with ed Harris, but I, I knew the two leads in this film. We're going to be in it, but I hadn't, I knew nothing

Dan:weren't expecting Michelle

Sidey:Michelle Pfeiffer walks up and she still looks great. And she absolutely both.


Sidey:And she is even more.

Reegs:I think She is. And she is still,

Sidey:she is actively kind of hostile, not initially, but once,

Reegs:well, she she's like, oh, thank you to him. And she just ignores it. It's like the most passive aggressive thing ever.

She just ignores mother,

Dan:Oh she's just a major piss taker.

Sidey:the two lads, they go off for a hike or whatever. And so the two ladies that left in the house and she gets told no, that room, you don't go in that room and she's a bit put off by it. And when they come back and he's had a, he's had a sort of turn as me. Yeah. Well, he's been off hiking and is that when we get the reveal of his illness, but he is, he is dying, man.

It's hard without anyone having a name, not that we ever remembered them, but ed Harris is dying.

Reegs:It's actually easier for Dan.



I was just nodding along their thing and I never know anyone's names.


Reegs:man women. Yeah. That's who they

Sidey:Yeah. So man, man is actually dying here has a terminal terminal cancer. Doesn't he? And

Reegs:they just wanted to meet. him. Javier Bardem, the man, not the man him. They wanted to meet him before he died, basically. before it was too late. Then there's a bit of, flummoxing maybe they were trying to set up a podcast or something and then suddenly

men and women are up

in the, in his hallowed office and they drop the crystal, they're playing

with a crystal crystal and they drop it, Don't they

Dan:on the, on the book case.

Reegs:He's devastated.

Sidey:He crushes it into his own hands.


Dan:It gives her a real way

Sidey:but it doesn't cause you did see blood coming out, didn't you, but that's never really come back to that and then having some sort of injury in his hands, but things really start to escalate that man and woman's children arrive.

Reegs:well, they,

First of all, they have a shag don't they, They keep,

trying to get it on. don't they

Dan:Yeah, they've been, they've been asked by mother to, to leave the house. Now it's all got too much for her, but they act like it's their house and sit it in and just wait. And, and more to the point there, their family starts coming in starting with the, their two sons, one after each other who then have a massive, massive fight.

And it really, really kicked


Reegs:fighting over the, the will

Sidey:is one of them.

And he wasn't going to be left any of the money,

Dan:There was, there was upset in the

Reegs:the older, it doesn't

Sidey:get done. No Gleason. I didn't realize it was a Gleason's till

Reegs:And Brian Gleason

as well. So The other one is another Gleason.

Sidey:Yeah. They end up having a fight, the fight escalates and one brother kills the other brother.

Dan:So, so just, just so people can keep up with is if you haven't seen this film already, it's a house in the middle of nowhere, a couple live in there, then a man turns up uninvited. His wife turns up the next day and then two kids turn up. And the wife just doesn't, the woman just doesn't want them to be there, but they all seem to be pulled in.

And for him, he doesn't actually mind Javier Bardem doesn't seem to mind them


He goes off with the with the family. Cause the, the son isn't immediately killed in the house. He's like, sort of, well, at that point, mortally wounded, but then goes off with them to what you suspect is the hospital or whatever.

Reegs:But you don't know D cause there's no, there's no cars. There's no, like they just go out, they carry them off. and

Sidey:pick it up and carry them up.


You stay with, with mother. But again, like again, he's, he sort of, he's just completely, even though like, like his, his mum and dad, there's this guy who's dying or dead or at the time, like the mum and dad are there, him still chooses to go off with the son who has never met, has absolutely nothing to do with, he's only met the parents the day before.

He goes off to the hospital to kind of like, you know, with them and comes back like hours and hours later, a bit bloodied. Like she mother is still dealing with like the, with everything that's just happened because of how quickly everything has escalated. She's totally confused and bewildered by the situation.

And And,

yet still is, is still trying to then when he comes back, like she questioned the same about stuff, but then it's still trying to be sort of sympathetic and supportive as well.

Reegs:She's trying to clean stains.

Sidey:Well, she cleans up the blood from the head cause it's a head wound and I was being more practical and thinking, well, she's, that's a crime scene. Was that certainly it would be an investigation. She's just mopped up all the,

Reegs:it never, it didn't really cross my mind because it wasn't, it was clear that everything that was happening wasn't in a reality that worked like that, that the police weren't going to turn up and

Sidey:well, that's the other thing I was thinking.

No one ever questioned. Came to the house. Cause people are visiting and everything and no one's come and

Reegs:Not yet to be fair.

so there is one stain that she can't get out and it's like, it's like a wound in the floor, isn't


Reegs:it pokes through to the, Yeah. It was vaginal. for Sure. And it sort of goes to the basement, below and she goes down there and there's a cool moment that will make you shit, your pants at first with a frog, just for no reason.

And then the blood light goes on a light bulb in it shatters, but you see that there's this giant oil for where do you see the oil furnace yet? Or you see like the outline of a, of a sort of sh of, a bit of the wall it's going to crumble away. don't you?

Dan:And at this point, this film can still go anywhere.


still small scale.

You've only had what, six people in the film so far, it turns out that the son has died. And so for whatever reason, they come back to the house with a load of other people now.

Dan:Yeah. They, they start to have a bit of a weight the house.

Reegs:And then she's asked to give a

Sidey:speech, you have to speak first.

And they really like it. And they say they literally put on the spot and say, right, you'd say something.

Reegs:kind of in our scrubs as well. So All these people have turned up for a week and she's in her scrubs. If you're confused, by the way, listening to this, that's fine. It's fine. Yeah. So she's asked to do the, the way, cause she doesn't know, and she's kind of ridiculed and made to feel small for not knowing what to say It's preposterous.

Pete:And, and like all the tests that arrived at this, this sort of like impromptu, wait, they're all so presumptuous. They all, like, they all keep asking her anyone who like goes off to the toilet and she's like, oh, don't go in there. Don't touch that. They're like, who are you that like, it's, it's just, it's so, so irritating.

I imagine to a lot of people, this is kind of like the fun of their worst nightmares, where people, all of a sudden have just totally infiltrated your house and they're treating you like the outsider and just taken, like, treating it like their own.

Dan:Yeah. It's like when you have a party or something and

it just

gets so big, it's so huge that you just start seeing people, you don't know who they are and they're in your house and taking the pace.

Sidey:is a recurring problem with the sink. People keep sitting on the

Reegs:it's not braced yet.

Sidey:don't sit on that. And there's one particular couple who keeps sitting on it and they're being

Reegs:oh, that woman

Sidey:is real

Reegs:going and sitting on it,

Sidey:and they, they even start sort of forcibly trying to break it, jumping up and down on it

Dan:It's fine. It's fine.


Sidey:guy comes up to her and says something. And she says, no, I can't exactly what you said, but she shoots him away and he calls her an arrogant can't or something like that.

Reegs:It's really out

Pete:Oh yeah. He tried to come on

Sidey:We haven't had any sort of swearing or anything like that. And it's really. He doesn't shout or anything, but he just said, matter of fact, and just caused her right to her face in her own home, in a party that she doesn't want to be going on.

And he just drops a CBO man, quite taken away

Dan:this point she's, she's pregnant as well.


so basically date

Dan:the white Yes

Reegs:him and, and mother kind of have an argument and then they do end up clearing the house out. He gets

Sidey:breaks and floods everywhere. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs:So, yeah, there's a big flood.

And so they, they do kick everyone out of the house eventually.

And then they bang.

Sidey:Well, she says you won't even fuck me.


Sidey:Because they've obviously having trouble in the relationship. There's no intimacy there. Any sort of advance she make rebuffed,

Dan:It already said in the, in the way court or with a man and woman that odd like kids. And at that point, which she was a little bit taken

Reegs:Well, they clearly never discussed this.


She was happy about it seemed.

Sidey:okay. That that bit was where I started to get really on edge because the film was called mother and she was just mother and there was no children. And when there's that look on the, because especially a Pfeiffer, the conversation and she, and he says, oh, we really want kids.

And she looks. And so I was thinking, fuck, like, has there been a kid in it's dead or what's going to happen? You know? So I was on edge, looking at a fucking hell, you know, like triggers going off all over the place, like, you know and so later on, then on that, they're on the staircase and she says, I need you to say, you want kids, but you won't even fuck me.

And then that night they do have sex and she knows

Pete:almost, he almost like immediately

Sidey:he almost raped her. Yeah. She says, no, she says, no, well he's grabbing and almost strangling her.

Reegs:But she's so desperate for his affection, whatever it is that she, she, she

takes. that

Sidey:And she knows immediately that she is pregnant.

Reegs:Yeah. She wakes up in the morning and says, I think I'm pregnant. And you go, yeah. Okay. That sounds about right.

Sidey:That's how it works.

Reegs:And actually things are then, you know, we sort of time jump now towards the end of the pregnancy. Yeah.

Dan:inspiration really? Doesn't he, he races downstairs and jumps out of bed. Starkers goes downstairs, starts writing.

Sidey:She has to leave him alone.

Dan:Yeah. And she's so happy. She's so happy that he's writing again.

He's got this creativity and she sets the to work on the house and, and breakfast and everything else that will


keep him yeah.

Reegs:well. And then suddenly she's like nine months pregnant. Basically.

or a Seven months pregnant.

Sidey:He has written. The greatest poem of all time. It reminded me of the joke that they write in Monty Python. That if it's so funny that if you hear it, you die. And it's like, the poem is it's so perfect. Anyone who reads it seems to become obsessed with him.

Reegs:Javier Bardem, his penis? It was close.

Sidey:you've got a very, you've got his ass and it, the shot cut just before you got, but I think he was walking around with a slab

Reegs:Yeah, I would've thought So Pete, you look like you're Googling

Javier Bardem penis.

Pete:Still of happy about him saying us

Sidey:I want to give at least a gift.

Reegs:So she's cooking dinner to celebrate the, the brilliant works and this is kind of a weird, that fans show up and then Kirsten wake shows up and she's like, oh brilliant. You sent me the manuscript or whatever you know of your poem. And it's going to be brilliant.

Pete:It's Kristin,


Pete:but again, again, when he gives her the poem, he doesn't read it to him. He gives it to her to read and she likes, she becomes emotional reading it and she was all, this is amazing. This is starting. And so, and then that, I don't know how it's kind of revealed whether it's a phone call or whatever.

Then he says, oh yeah, my, my publicist is like, you know, thinks it's going to, you know, sell out and sell it. And then she likes, she said again, she says, she's like, whoa. So you've already read it to her or you've already showed it to her. Like she's

Sidey:well, the first time, the first time she even reads it, she says, oh, I'm going to lose you. And she cries. She just, when she read it, she, she realizes it's it. Yeah, it's important. And she, she obviously knows that he, he craves this kind of thing and it's going to become so big that he will lose interest in her.


Reegs:And that is kind of what happens because the fan starts showing up Don't they,

Sidey:It's just a small group at

Reegs:at first. It is, just a

Pete:well it's the press of first, isn't it?

Reegs:is it the press?


Reegs:And then, and then, you know, he's obviously completely enchanted by the attention and his complete, like nonplussed reactions to everything that's going on about her.

is just now really unsettling.

Pete:Well again she's she's, made him she's made him a meal. You don't really see them it, but she's like made him like an amazing meal and wants him to sit down and then people come to the door and he's like, yeah, you know, I'll, I'll deal with them and I'll come immediately back. And then he just never comes back.

And the meal ends up.


Pete:By the guests, we will know the guests, but by the people who then arrive and then start again, infiltrating the house.

Reegs:And now they're getting a bit rowdy Aren't you. They're starting to break

Sidey:Well first of all, there's a, there's a lady with a child and she says, no, you can't be in here. You can't be here and she's over there. He just needs the loo. And I think the kid pisses himself and says, all right, okay, you can go in.

And then someone else

Reegs:she starts to clean it up, and then somebody else comes along.


Sidey:just goes from one, not zero, but from like 20 to a million, now it just fucking goes crazy.


Everybody's calm. Everybody's come to read this poem and to meet the man that wrote the poem and it's all

Reegs:Yeah. But now they're getting really rowdy. I mean, people are getting violent,

Dan:It's nighttime. They should have been having a meal going to bed and they've got thousands of people in their house or doing different things.

And it's really, yeah.

Reegs:well now you've got a SWAT team have entered the house and it's kind of a cult versus a SWAT team fight going on. But it's obviously disorientating, but clearly lots and lots of people are dying.

It's yeah.

Sidey:she's trying to make our way through the crowd. At one point and a SWAT guy tries to help her. He gets shot in the face.

Reegs:It's horrible.

And then she goes into labor.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dan:This is the point where the, the baby decides it wants to, to be born and and she manages to, with the help of, of him get upstairs to his sanctuary and give birth there. And she does. And she's

Sidey:just for a moment, all is kind of well between them, just for a very brief moment. He's happy with, to have a son


kind of exhausted and relieved, but he wants to

Pete:but who's over all day, the noise and everything outside the room kind of subsides, I thought because every time, so, so there was a, like a recurring theme that something would kick off and some nastiness and bad shit would happen. And he wasn't around him, wasn't around. And then he like him would kind of return.

And even though it was like fractious for a bit, it would, whatever it was, would subside. So whenever he came back to her, He then like remove her from the situation. And then it would be, even though like there was absolute chaos and carnage seemingly going on in the house, it would, it subsided. And like, you almost like, not forgot about it, but I was thinking, okay, there's no more noises and stuff.

They're going to open the door and everyone's just gone away now. And I thought that that would then move towards like a happy ending, you know, something a little bit kind

Reegs:Well, there's peace. Isn't there. There's peace, just for a moment. peace. and then she's, she's holding.

Sidey:Well, he, he, he wants to show off the baby and she's she's she's you don't fucking touch it. Yeah. And he just stares waits for her to fall asleep and she fights it off for as long as she can.

Reegs:my God.

Sidey:And so massive fucking trigger warnings for what happens



she wakes up to the, the cheers of the crowd as he lifts their son,


Dan:them all to see and.

And she runs out instantly obviously worried about the safety of the baby which has now been taken from the arms of him

Sidey:It's crowd

Dan:being is crowd surfing along, along the


Sidey:pissing at one point, isn't

Dan:Yeah. And it's upset, it's crying.

And it's a really odd scene actually, as you see

this very,

you know, it's a baby, a proper kind

of newborn baby crowd surfing off a load of people. And

Sidey:the crying stops,

Dan:the crying stops because

Pete:You hear

Reegs:a noise.

Oh my God, you hear a

Dan:is it's really, really horrible. It's, it's a, it's a really tough moment to watch. And it's the kind of thing actually, you, you fear is going to happen, happens.

But then it even got, it gets ramped up because

Sidey:it there's a, there's a sort of makeshift altar or candles all around it. And there's this sort of shaman priest kind of dude, they've all got this black mark on their forehead and he is sort of leading the group and then you get a shot of what is left of the baby on this kind of alter thing.

Hacked to bits effectively, and they are

Reegs:they're eating it.

Sidey:They are literally eating it. So that's where we are with that.


Dan:She's pretty

angry with this.

Sidey:Then says, well, we have to forgive them. You know, we have to, we have to, we have to find it in ourselves to forgive them for what they've done.

And you're like, what the fuck?

Dan:Well, that's


before that happened

Reegs:though. when the whole house,

shakes now, though,

Dan:she says you're fucking insane, doesn't


Pete:Yeah. Like she, she, I think she, like, she finds like a bit of glass and then just start stopping people. And then, and then everyone in the house start attacking her, the light Theranos close off and beating her and showing her in the head like, she just fucking, totally violated

Reegs:oh, it's Awful.



W which again again, again, when he then arrives on the scene, That kind of stuff that, that subsides, and then it's just back with kind of him and her, or be with people around.


Sidey:Going to be so naked in that bit, but she said, no, she saw the dailies or what it was and said, no, we should probably take the bra off and make it look. So she went for that

Reegs:you know what? I honestly, I, it didn't actually Dawn on me that she was naked. It's she's, it's such an intense, like everything that we've just described, this really shocking has actually only happened in the movies time.

Like that period with the SWAT team and stuff now has all happened over the period about 10 or 15 minutes. So this you've had this unbelievably intense, rapid ramping up of, of these events. Yeah. It's


Dan:Yeah. It's it's the whole scene is, is terribly kind of graphic and it gets to the point where her anger just consumes her and she shouts and screams and blows everything up.

Reegs:Yeah. She goes down to the furnace that we've seen. a be revealed in and she bloat. Yeah.

Dan:And she has this inner power that, that suddenly comes in and the entire house in order surroundings all in flames and everyone's burning and dead apart from him and dying her who's who suddenly becomes the woman we see right at the beginning, this, this woman

Sidey:you realize it's all a cycle. So she, he carries her upstairs and she says, no, just end it. You know? So he puts his hand through her chest, pulls out her heart, which then becomes this crystal that he has on the shelf, which he puts back on the shelf, the house regenerates. We wake up it's morning time.

And another lady, not Jennifer Lawrence, but equivalent wakes up and says, baby, and you know, it's Groundhog day it's it's Palm Springs. It's only more, more baby eating.

Dan:roll credits.

Fucking hell.

You know, we we've just watched all this. And I must admit after 45 minutes, I was just so fucking pissed off watching this film. I was so annoyed. It was just like, and the more I watched it, the more it irritated me, the more, it absolutely

Sidey:just the way the characters were behaving

Dan:way the characters were behaving, the way that it was, it was making me, making me feel like two ways, you know, w what the fuck is going on.

This is one of the most, I think, important environmental factors. You can go out and see, I think it's absolutely fucking genius film. It's Egypt blew me away. I've recommended it too. Just about everyone I've spoken to since I've seen it. Yeah, it just, I just was so blown away by how this approach overpopulation, how we approach climate change, how it approached all these kinds of huge themes in such a clever way in, in such I, I totally you know, off the cuff way

You look at this and using religion and using everything else.

Obviously we start to see all the metaphors afterwards. Don't we all the, all the people that

Sidey:Well, he's clearly a, a sort of God-like,

Dan:he's God she's mother earth you got Cain. And Abel, you've got, as you mentioned before, the flood, then you have the rib is obviously, you know, we see them and it's just so clever afterwards. I felt a bit stupid for it.

When it particularly at first sort of 45 minutes out, I just did not know what was going on. It was really pissing me off, but it should be shoe off because this is overpopulation is happening and people do not. Yeah, it is

Pete:it's highlighting the ignorance because what it's doing is saying like, this is mother earth and she's not only is she perfect in every way, she will create a completely delicate environment for you.

Dan:And repair

and repair everything.

Pete:not just a man, but for God as well. And then this, and then what it does is it massively highlights this kind of like obsession of humans with God.

But then like this it's hugely blasphemous from a, like a Christian or I guess any kind of like religious, like point of view and controversial. Because it, it basically highlights how God only gives a fuck about, you know, yeah. It gives, gives a fuck about. But ultimately people are fallible, fallible.

They're letting each other down there's this both, both the people and God, a totally ignoring

and destroying

Sidey:a total maniac,


Reegs:he is but he's also sort of, he's all sort of, unsettlingly sort of ambivalent to absolutely everything except adulation Yeah. that's the only thing that was so as as a portrayal of God. It is like the God that's in the Bible, you know, because Christianity is all about you ever read the fucking Bible.

It's he's gray. Remember that time when he was really awesome, and he did that really awesome thing. Let's all talk about our break. Great years. There's a lot of that in the Bible

Pete:it is. It is. But it's different in the sense that, because in the Bible, it's, it's God that fucking smites ruin on people and sends down the floods and the plagues and all of this kind of stuff. But he doesn't do that in this film. It's mother it's, it's just, it's people that do that to themselves. It's not about

Reegs:well free will

Pete:It's not about retribution for being assholes. It's just about this as it is. It's very much Dan said, Dan said it exactly right. I mean, I, I'm not you know, I'm not like a, an environmentalist in the sense that I'm constantly sort of conscious of everything that I could be doing for the environment, but as a film and as a message, it's unbelievable the way it approaches it.

And certainly there's this whole thing, right? You know, humans wasting their time, fucking worshiping something that actually is of no fucking use to them whatsoever and, and vice versa. It's just kind of like highlighting the futility of religion when nature is actually the fucking miracle and the thing that will make everyone feel better about themselves and more loved and valued and worthwhile and so on.

Reegs:but also, while all this stuff is happening, you've got this great environmental message. You've got this biblical Allah, this unflattering portrayal of, of God. You've also got a sort of thing about a marriage failing.

The husbands and wives do that don't make marriages work, you know, her sort of his constant seeking of things outside of her is, is like a real problem.

There's a load of stuff about motherhood, mental health, gender dynamics. There's literally anything you want to project onto this movie because it's such an allegory. You can, you can come up with a theory. And even though it is hugely unsettling, it's, it's really quite, it's quite something

to watch

Well, it,

Dan:for me.

What was really clever. It, it made me and Pete pizza up on it early saying, you know, you felt what mother felt, you felt pissed off. You felt a bit confused. You felt like what the fuck is going on here.

Reegs:It's like a panic attack simulator. this movie.

Dan:yeah, well, you know, I mean, environmentalist will feel that as well. You know what, you know, what the fuck is going on here is everybody blind to see what's going on here.

I'm trying to fix the world here. I'm trying to fix the house back together. And people are just tearing it up and people are sitting on the sink. Hasn't even been braced yet. You know, we're, we're fucking up and it's not, it's not been fixed repaired yet. And there's so much that I think this film could, could bring, I mean, it's 2017 and it was off my radar, you know, and I


Dan:would like to see this film.

So I think one of the failures in this film is the fact that it's it, hasn't got more views and I haven't heard it before now to be

Reegs:it's a tough sell.

Sidey:Have any inkling of what goes on in the plot. You'd be like, I'm probably going to Dodge that cause dead babies and cannibalism and all the rest of it is quite a, you know, they're quite hard

Dan:Yeah. I mean,

Sidey:We mentioned about the polarizing opinions on this. It was screened at the Venice film awards and that the screening both a standing ovation and booed which is wow.

Dan:It's a F as a filmmaker. That is what you want. You want to film that makes their, makes people feel something, whether it be really good or really bad, obviously really good is better.

But if you've got that polarizing opposite eye, you know,

he's hit a nerve there And I

Reegs:definitely art

Dan:it a

Pete:Yeah. I mean, th this is, this is controversial. It's going to be controversial. And a load of people are going to hate it because anyone who's religious is going to despise this movie because it's a pretty damning, like depiction of God is absolutely dabbing.

Reegs:He's my least favorite fictional deity. God, he's the one I've got the most beef with, if you,

Pete:yeah. Well,

Reegs:like at least at the, you know what I'm handyman is, a monkey, isn't he?

Pete:this is a particularly, you know, it's regardless of, you know, regardless of our own sort of personal feelings on it, this, this is a depiction is is a pretty negative depiction because like, basically the only thing that, that positive about him is that he is, if you fucking tickle his balls and up, he is good enough to do something really, really amazing that everyone had life, but you've got to absolutely fucking bow to him, do everything amazing and perfect, and everyone, and even then he still has a bit of a shit it's, it's a really, really negative trial about God, but it doesn't affect me or offend me in the slightest because I have absolutely no belief in that.

You know, mother earth as, as a, as a character parking. Now we do have a planet. We do have a nurse and there is a lot of light, total disregard for everything that goes on, including, you know, for religious reasons, as much as anything else. And it, this, this film, I'm glad it polarizes opinion. I thought it was fucking unbelievable once I'd got over.

I must admit, I really, really struggled with the, with the scene that like, after the bath

really struggled with that and I had to pause it and leave it. And I was going to watch this with my messages and I'm fucking so glad

Sidey:That particular scene was I was watching and the Mrs. Walked into lounge. I was like, no, don't come in now. Like Paul, as quickly as I, you don't want to see this,

Pete:it really isn't obviously, you know, you know, it's, it's just not the fucking


Dan:my nine year old was traumatized by it. You know, when we.

Pete:what fun thing, funny thing I did read about is like in production of the it said something about it, like for the development of this film, after he did know Darren Darren Aronofsky, I can nearly say that began working on a children's film. And during that process, he came up with this new idea for mother.


Sidey:they wrote it over a weekend.

Reegs:Brilliant. Also you can read a bit of personal content in this from Aronofsky, because he did go out with Jennifer Lawrence over the filming of this, and then they broke up at the end because he couldn't believe, you know, he, there was quite a negative press reaction and they, they really had some falling out about that.

And also he was married to Rachel vice the one in the mummy.


Reegs:Yeah, Rachel vice. And there's a, there's a thing here about like how artistic people can like exploit the people around them to deliver their content. And, you know, sometimes, you know, like put their art before their relationships with their people as well.

So just another thing that you can read in

Sidey:into Hey, got

Pete:But it's also there's a reference in the actual film. So the age gap between him and mother,


Pete:mother, and like, just so happened the age gap between Jennifer Lawrence and Javier Bardem is exactly the same as so I have no excuse to say, you may just have

Reegs:Oh, right. Okay.

Pete:So, but that was obviously, you know, that all of this was written and done before that, that came to pass.

So it's a massive irony that

Reegs:Life imitating art.

Pete:the yellow powder.


Reegs:Then I

Sidey:don't know. Don't know. Couldn't find anything about it.

Reegs:I mean, you can guess you could say it's like a miracle cure because she takes it and she feels better. You could say that it was 

yeah, you could say it was, you could say it was antidepressants.

Exactly. You could say whatever you wanted about it, you could probably come up with a convincing theory that it was monkey seaman.

Sidey:Then that's what it was actually. I said it on the label, but it was nominated for a few Razzies Aronofsky for worst director. Jennifer Lawrence, worst actress. And have you been in for worst actor and even the critics who, who didn't like this film said, well, that's, bollix like the performances

Pete:Religious people.

Reegs:what I think, right. When a movie is like undeniably good on a technical level, if you don't like the content, if it's a bit too, avant-garde for you just say it's not your thing and move on. I do watch a lot of movies now more than I used to. And I've seen a lot of car chases and gunfights and I've seen a lot of drama and characters, but I've never really seen anything like this.

It's really quite astonishing.

Sidey:I think, I don't think I've ever seen the film accelerate as much as this film did in the last 20 minutes. Just that's almost like the criticism I could level it was. I don't know if Nick is it necessarily, but it goes to a hundred miles an hour. So fucking quickly, you're just like, your head is spinning, but I suppose this is meant to be like that.

Yeah. But it's just, it's hard to take it in.

Reegs:Not for everyone. There is some people who would find the content way too shocking to watch. And we should really emphasize that point because I don't know, we described it.

Sidey:We're probably not articulate enough to get across just how fucking upsetting some of these scenes

Dan:No I would say if you like over,

you know,

18 go and watch this film because it's one of those that you won't forget, it will make you feel something whether you come out, like I have an thought, fuck me, what a incredible film.

And then gone and spoken to anyone that will listen about you should go and watch his film. You should watch his film. And I know some of the people, yeah. Well think fucking hell what have you put me on to here? That is just totally not my thing, but I guarantee you will make them think, you know, and I think that's rewarding in film.

You're white. How many car chases can you see how many, you know slapstick suppose this was a film that was tackling huge issues. Like climate change, population control the blindness of religion or, or what that, you know, can, can force people in and corral people into doing. And it really made you feel you know, that, that the pain and the, the disbelief and the kind of things that people who do care about the planet and can't understand how big businesses just churning up another, you know gas leak or gas oil, or whatever the


Reegs:see that picture of the F the C on fire.


Dan:You know,

there's so much exploitation

Reegs:we we've done something a bit when the sea is on fire,

Sidey:but us drinking through straws is the problem.


Dan:And, and it's there's just so many, there's so many things much like she's building the house. The house was, was huge, wasn't it? You know, there was so much, there was so much to do.

It's bigger than that. And and she was slowly, slowly fixing it or putting it all perfect. And it really didn't take long for the mob to, to rip it to shreds once they were allowed in. And and it just became too much, too many people in that


Pete:The fact that the house has like a how's it. So it's got a heartbeat has got a pulse. It's got, it's an organic,

Sidey:And we say that degree, we didn't mention that, but we see it several times in the film when you see it degrade over time until it stops being,

Reegs:oh, when they start, repainting the house and she's like, what are you doing? You know, I've just done that. And they're just like slapping patriarch. You just like

feel it when

the question of like, are you entertained or not?

It's an interesting one though. Isn't it?

Sidey:I mean, what I would say

Reegs:I pissed myself laughing.

Sidey:will absolutely have an emotional response to this film in some way.


Sidey:I mean, you won't be like me.

Dan:I felt annoyed, stupid, confused. Really come put my finger on it. I was pissed off. I was swearing at you rigs at one


for like, what the fuck is he making me watch this for?

I mean, it had twisted logic and metaphors all through it. It was really kind of weird. Some, some surprises, I would say before you listen to this, you should see the film, but if you got this far then go and watch it anyway.

Sidey:I think, I think the spoilers for this probably warranted because you might want to know about the end, the scene

Dan:well, I, I


Reegs:it Without spoiling


Dan:personally, I would like to have known of the themes that it was dealing with before going in.

And it probably made me enjoy it a little bit more from the beginning in that first, but I think that's an important part of the filmmakers intention to make you feel pissed off to make you feel confused to do

Pete:I think, I think exactly. I think you're exactly right then. I think it's

Dan:But I don't like feeling like that, Pete. So that's why I, you know,

Pete:no, no. But,


Pete:we are like, but that's the point. There are things that, you know, there were things that were all absolutely ignorant to right now that we're all doing right now that we're totally ignorant to.

And like we were 10 years ago and 10 years before that, you know, w we're all told and, and regardless of whatever it is that we want to then go and do with our lives or as individuals or whatever, we we're ignorant to things. Not that that's exactly the point. I think the fact that you, the fact that you said you felt like a bit kind of ignorant and stupid and it's like, what's going on, you're just kind of like watching it and going along with it.

That's exactly. I think how you were meant to feel, because that's what humans did. It's like humans just jumped on board with them. Like you got mother of one side and you've got a diety on the other side and everyone's just constantly jumped on board with the dietary side of thing. Like since the Dawn of time, really very given a total disregard to the us.

And that's how you were men of it's some fucking clever, and you, as someone who does give a shit and a big shit about all of these things, the fact that you were put in that situation of feeling fucking, you know, what's going on here. And like ignorant to it all is how fucking good and strong this film is, I think.

Reegs:Hmm I probably won't pick it for next family film. night though.


Dan:No, it's

Pete:the Cravens then?

Dan:it was it was one I did actually watch alone. And for obvious reasons is certainly not a kids film. The, the Mrs. She did sit and she did sit in and watch this with me for a little bit, but she had things to do and was doing anyway.

So she was, she, wasn't going to sit and commit to this, but what a film, I mean, I will recommend this film to, I won't forget it. And if anybody's asking me for a film to recommend, so was I entertained? I've got to say yes. You know, I was entertained. I think it is one of the most important films I've seen in living memory.

Really fucking good cheers weeks.

Sidey:Yeah, I obviously it was a challenge. Certainly the dead baby was difficult.

But like I say, important issues. Lot of talking points in the movie, some important messages And a different kind of entertained. It's not a comedy,

but when the, when the dust settles and you get to think about it in the cold light of day. Yes. Excellent. Really top notch.

Pete:Exactly the same as you guys and oversee. Yeah. There's a bit to not film the, again for personal reasons. I had a real struggle with, but the fact that I can sort of, you know, like a matter of days after having watched it, I can see beyond that. I think there's artistic value for it. There's a reason for it.

It's not just fucking, it's not just like, you know, it's not like another soar film. How can we make it more gory and more fucking fucked up than the last one? This is all

Reegs:It's not


Reegs:It's not out to offend you in that way. It's

out to offend you in a different way.

Pete:You know, and it is shocking, but I think for the right reasons and I, the biggest credit I can give this film is all I would, I'm not going to guarantee, but I personally think, and would certainly hope that in 20 years time, this will be a film that people will look back at.

And because I think religion will be less of a fucking big deal than it is now an environmental.

Reegs:it already

Pete:more of a big deal. And I say things like this as a bit of art will people will hop back to it. Almost like the, the, the, hopefully the fucking turning of the tide. That's how important I think it is.

It's a brilliant, brilliant film.


Sidey:Kate's TV was a sort of streaming sensation or YouTube thing.

Reegs:Yeah. My kids discovered this as part of the, you know, when you get a Kindle for the kids and they get the Amazon


Reegs:Not Amazon prime what is it? The kin kids Kindle thing. Yeah. And they get the app and it's largely safe and you know, there's very few PE dos crawling around there. So you can basically let them run wild and they both kind of discovered this thing called Charlie's crafty kitchen. The music's good. Isn't it

Dan:skip to the loo I've skipped to the lumen.  Like through the whole


Yeah. Welcome to Jelly's crafty kitchen, where are you going to eat

It's very low budget. It's clearly the theme tune recorded. the first one. We watched two episodes. I treated you to two. I was recommended these by my kids. So one where they thought they'd made something really brilliant, which was the gummy bear surfboard


Reegs:And the second one, I said, well, what's like the funniest one on one where they don't like what they have to taste. And they recommended the second one, which was tasting Japanese sweets

So I feel they chose good episodes to represent the brief. Although those gummy bear surfboards looked fucking disgusting.

Didn't they

Sidey:that's today. They, they were, it was sort of an Astro about that. They didn't call them that.

Reegs:What did they call them?

Sidey:They didn't know where they were wrong because it's an Astro belt.

Dan:Yeah. I think they call it a rainbow whip or something. Yeah.

Sidey:they? Yeah, it was very much something.

And they didn't edit out when they fucked up. They just left that in and a go time for this shit. So that was kind of

Dan:it's it's mom and dad filming their two kids tasting food.


just a static


It's like so low budget.


a YouTube video that they've done a reveal, but they're doing on sweets and things. They haven't

eaten yet

Sidey:less irritating.

The Ryan's world I'd have to say. So that had that going for it

right from the get go.

Pete:Although Australian accents are never, ever going to help anything

Reegs:No, that's true.


Reegs:We do have quite a few, Australia this year.

Dan:I I'll tell you what I, I, I kind of liked that the girl was actually, and they were making cupcakes with sugar and it was the bluest icing which I'm not massive on, but I

like you I I love it. I love an Astro belt. And and you know, a fizzy lace or something they were getting, they were tucking into them and you obviously there.

What I liked about the fact they didn't edit out the stuff and they, the kids just laughed at it when they made a mistake,

didn't they they?

would just carry on and away you go.

Sidey:So if I was the parent behind the scenes, I'm like, no, do it again.

Dan:Yeah They hadn't tried the Polish this too

Sidey:They really

Reegs:There is. There's only so much you can Polish a turd though, isn't


I mean, cause it is just like banal observations and kind of annoying noises and stuff.


can get that with you. If you could go and sit and talk to your kids, so you can get the same same thing. So

you know,

as an adult watching this, this is fairly hateable. I mean, there's no reason at all to watch this

It's like, cause my

Dan:know I

Reegs:watch this. So

Dan:quite liked that that surfboard recipe,


Dan:no that was two minutes long.

Then we went into this longer session where they got the sushi out

Reegs:Yeah. Well, it was Sweet

Dan:Sweet sushi. Yeah,

it was, it

Sidey:Have you ever tried any of that stuff?

Reegs:They were a bit older now.


Sidey:Yeah, I did.

Pete:a lot older.

Sidey:I did briefly subscribe to a Japanese sweet subscription service.


Sidey:And I ended it fairly quickly because our fucking rancid, some of them

Pete:Oh, I've got I get, I get I've been to China and Hong Kong quite a bit in the sweet fucking diet.

Sidey:there's, there's the occasional, like good


what they, what is so foreign

Sidey:they've got Kit-Kats in about 50 different flavors. So they'd be like, cheers

Pete:Japan Japan actually do it better then, but like I can, yeah.

Some of it

Reegs:like actual seam. Yeah.


Sidey:And they just like crisps that are, you know, like bubble gum flavor and all this fucking weird shit. It's just,

Reegs:is it it's like weird for the sake of being weird.


Dan:chicken flavored crisps.

Reegs:So in the second one, yeah. They're trying this stuff. One of them, she really dislikes and she fucking GAAPs it into the lid of the

The plastic thing and it takes like about 10 seconds and there's quite a lot of it coming out

Pete:what's noticeable about the second episode that you made as well much is that it's now it's no longer things that they're making for themselves. It's just

Sidey:things that being paid to put on.

Pete:just now Ryan's world, but with food. So they're just like, these things are put in front of them and now they've got to like say some silly stuff and do things about it and they're quiet

Dan:I wasn't, I wasn't sure. Yeah. They are a bit older and I wasn't

Reegs:Yeah Not old enough. Peter.

I'm afraid if that's weird.

Pete:Well, th th the good news is I think we only have to wait another year.

Sidey:Do you have any subscribers stats or anything like that for us from that channel?

Reegs:I do. But they're, they're back in 2015. So they were bringing in 127,000 Aussie dollars a month, which I think is about 15 pounds.


  1. Yeah. But they

Sidey:was in 2015. Yeah.

Reegs:And there are 29 million visitors a month. So seeing an eight year old girl pretend to be a walrus with some just chopsticks like in a, maybe in a task,


Yeah. Potentially that might be


Dan:my major thing was, do not watch this with my daughter.

So I wasn't sure I wasn't taking the brisk because it looked like the kind of stuff that I might find

on the on the TV So they went out and I thought I'll put this on. They came back before I'd finished going through the second one. So, ah, she knew it straight away. She'd she'd watched this before and she said, oh, he's really good.

I used to watch this when I was little, makes you always laugh. Cause when she's only letting her now, like when they say, oh, watch this when I was little, we thought how much Leila, where are you? But yeah, she was really into this. She said, oh, I like these girls. And they did this one once and they did that one.

I made some of this stuff. We had those ice pops and everything. So,

Reegs:where were you in in their lives when this was happening.

Dan:apparently not, no, I I um

Sidey:So 2015.

Reegs:29 million visitors a month.

Sidey:So now it's probably like a billion

Reegs:Let's just

Sidey:people seeing it. Like I'm not, I'm not going to completely hate on it. Cause this kid stuff for kids fine. But you could watch a brilliantly animated and written thing that we've watched like Shira or spirit or something like that.

Or you could watch completely amateurish, two kids with like fuck-ups in it and stuff. And that brings in like fucking huge numbers. I just don't get it.


Dan:in So yeah, I don't, I don't know what sticks it because there's probably a thousand of these shows on the internet and not all of them are going to be pulling in 29 million views a month. They probably, some of them got nine,

Sidey:We exploit our kids for money.

Dan:Well This is

what I was going with it.

So maybe we can do something

Pete:of their episodes. I can see here watermelon Popsicle's always slowly block pop. I see where they're basically

Dan:it's ringing a bell a few

years ago Yeah I'm thinking,

Pete:105 million views

Reegs:So they're set up for life. That's good. in it It's worked out well.

I actually

Dan:seem nice kids.


Dan:They did to me,

like, I mean, I'm going through Ryan's

Sidey:Yeah. Well, the natural comparison obviously for us

Pete:Where you love, you love Ryan's world.

Dan:yeah. Well, you know, like light wine, they're raking it in P


but I agree with, So I,

Pete:So like McDonald's like Coca-Cola, they've raking it in. Tell me the difference now. Go

Dan:no difference. Beat your right

Pete:exactly right. Exactly. Right.

Dan:all he wanted to hear.

Reegs:I agree with Saudi that I find it. But we'll during the popularity of this content. And I honestly can't believe the goal of these people delivering their free content, LP out to the world, hoping to catch the attention of some strangers, share their creativity.

approval, chasing they'd sell out in an instant if there was even a half decent lump sum of money on the table and I'm talking about, us, not

Sidey:yeah, listen, listen to us.

Dan:no, I mean, it's one of those things that I looked at very quickly and thought this would be popular with my daughter. I don't know what it is, but it's just the kind of stuff that she would watch because she will stick it on and it's just loads of it. And it keeps on calming and it keeps on calming and, and it's, it's dealing with sweets and they don't really say anything.

They don't really do anything. But you, his compulsive view in all the same, certainly if you're nine years old.

Sidey:well, I don't get it. And I wouldn't have liked him when I was a kid, because when I was a kid, I didn't really like anything live action.

So why don't you any of that shit that had like real people in it? I wasn't interested. I just wanted transformers mask, you know, anything animated. That was good. You know, I wasn't interested in seeing like real life people. That's boring. I can see that

Reegs:wants to actually do stuff.

Sidey:fuck off like put the guns and the lasers on.

Reegs:I th you mentioned the bloopers? Did you watch any of the blooper? Right? It's a blooper reel. I did watch about a minute and a half of one. And there's one that starts, she says good day. The main ingredient in this is a spatula.

Sidey:That's a, that's a highlight that says everything about it. I mean, to be honest, I was instantly in favor of this overrides world. That's what I can say about it. Yeah. They

Reegs:honestly don't watch it.

Pete:Mike. My question is this so much of this shit. My fucking boys are watching not this. Similar things to Brian's well, to this, you know, where, where are we going to draw the line and just say no more in terms of like reviewing them because


Sidey:you know, in Japan.

Pete:oh, it's buttocks


Reegs:just the stuff people watch though.

with it may it be welders me. The popularity of it makes me feel like an old man, but it's my kids love it.

Sidey:It's very little distinction between one or another of it though.

Pete:exactly. Yeah,

Reegs:though, Cause otherwise

Sidey:a video.

So as well, don't forget. Yeah.

Reegs:Yeah. It's

Pete:yeah But kids will like it just because it's, it's slightly. Well, one's about toys. One's about food. One's about fucking ice cream, whatever it may be. It just that that's like what their kind of

Dan:I mean it's, it's pitched is a, is a cooking show for kids. Isn't it?

Reegs:slept like kids reviewing horror movies.

to get our kids to sit

down and watch mother.

Pete:reviewing dildos.

Reegs:Yes. I

Sidey:they did that on this show. one of the ones we haven't seen.


Sidey:so overall I was not entertained and I don't understand it.

Dan:Yeah. that's a, that's a trio of his in that position,

Pete:Well, a quadrant quadricycle.

Reegs:The quadricycle here.

Dan:take your chances.

Sidey:But we are in a minority of 29 million monthly visitors or something.

Dan:Yeah. 29 million people can be wrong,


Sidey: Right. That's another episode done with a slight remote element to it. Pete, when, when can we expect to see back in the man cave? Have you got another month of isolation

Pete:Yeah. I'm, I'm not out till the of July, which is I think.

Sidey:after it's come home?

Pete:Yeah, yeah, yeah. But by the time I next, see you would have come home. I think I'm, I think I'm isolating for another recording. And then after that you can see me in the flash and I'll be a lot fatter.


Reegs:So Women of Jersey can feel safe up until the 16th. of,

Sidey:Other kids.

Pete:Yeah. Yeah. Those, those impose curfews can be lifted.

Sidey:Uh Well, to keep you entertained while you're in isolation, I've got some nominations for you and everyone else. The top five is going to be a movie scenes at a grave.

Our mid weaker is blood simple. It's the Cohen brothers, the Koch brothers debut. We've never done a comb by the thing.

Let's hope we do a better job of it than it did with the Simpsons when we did that,

Reegs:that was awful. when that,

Sidey: the main feature is going to be I Tonya.

Reegs:Oh yes. Excellent.

Up for this.

Sidey:Yeah, very cool. And the kids thing is a Netflix one. It's called zero chill also about ice skating. So that promises to be fucking dreadful from what I've seen of it so far.

Reegs:It animated


Sidey:live action,

Dan:live action stuff. This

Sidey:I reckon. So if you're listening to the show, please recommend us to all of your friends and family and tell them to give us a try.

I'm sure they'll enjoy it as much as you do. Like get them to like and subscribe and to leave a review would be lovely. That would really help us out. And maybe we can also get to 29 million unique views a month.

Dan:It's only a matter of time, you know, give it a couple of thousand years we'll be up there


Sid is definitely prepared to send nudes.

if that

Sidey:Absolutely. Yeah, not of me though. All that remains is to say Sadie signing out,

Reegs:weeks out