March 12, 2021

The Neon Demon & The Mysterious Cities of Gold

The Neon Demon & The Mysterious Cities of Gold
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Imagine a world without music. No jazz, soul, punk, funk or gospel, no rock, no roll, no hip, no hop. You can't do it can you, and not only because your brain has been reduced to little more than a paperweight by endlessly scrolling the internet on your phone but also because it's impossible. People have music literally embedded in them; the human heart is by design an organ which is supposed to tirelessly and constantly beat in rhythm just for you to survive. Given the seemingly culturally universal ubiquity that exists around music it's not surprising that we love movies about music and musicians. But which ones did we choose to chat about for this weeks Top 5?

It's a tense week as Bad Dad Peter Andre makes his first nominations and none of us were prepared for him to pick Danish auteur Nicholas Winding Refn's 2016 horror about beauty, The Neon Demon. The film polarised critics upon release, will it have the same effect on the Dads?

We round up this weeks show with a nostalgia filled look back at 1982's The Mysterious Cities of Gold. For those that are old enough, the mere mention of that title is sufficient to lodge the theme tune in your brain like the bullet that will presumably lodge itself in the back of Meghan Markle's cranium once Kate finally gives the order to have her assassinated. But does this show have anything to offer beyond the theme tune? Stay tuned to find out.

 We love to hear from our listeners! By which I mean we tolerate it. Try us on twitter @dads_film, on Facebook Bad Dads Film Review or on our website

Until next time, we remain...

Bad Dads 


Neon Demon


Reegs:Welcome to bad. Dad's film review, the film review podcast, where dads talk about movies and kids TV. We've got Sidey, Dan and Peter Andre here this week. How's it going? Chap. So everybody. All

Dan:Pretty good. Pretty good. Sounded a little, a tad flat that I would say rigs you normally a


Dan:bit. Yeah, a little bit chillier than that. I would

Sidey:But your heart wasn't in it.


Reegs:Well, I, I I'd done all those, those ridiculously long in trays for ages. I thought I'd just freshen it up a bit. Get straight into the chat.

Dan:both. Okay. Let's go with that.

Reegs:What people been watching this week?

Dan:Oh, we've got some

Reegs:You, you there with your hand

Dan:we've got a hand up.

Pete:I finished Sopranos.


Pete:Yeah. Finish

Reegs:us your emotions, Pete, because it's, there's a lot

Pete:Jen and you and Lee and I, I, this is not for effect or anything like that. My blood ran cold. I had no idea that was happening. The whole buildup to the end was so fucking intense and like irritating and not just disorientating and everything. Like who do I need to look out for?

What's going on? And with this car, why is she taking so long to park this car in

Reegs:it's some of the worse parallel parking you've ever

Pete:It's fucking dreadful. And then, and then, and then that whole light. He looks up and then that's it. And like my messes and I were just looking at each other and she was brilliant. Like how long does that to go?

And it's fucking it's ended and it's always broken.

Dan:bought it for me.

Pete:Oh, right. Well,

Dan:no, you didn't tell me much.

Pete:yeah, it was my blood ran cold and then straight away all the, like the thoughts of what the fuck happened, what the fuck

Reegs:It was a controversial finale. Really? I think a lot of fans were confused and maybe a bit angry and a bit not, you know it's taken me a long time to kind of. Come to terms with what it represented, but it's absolutely brilliant, but maybe at the time, it wasn't what you were expecting.

Pete:So, I, I didn't genuinely didn't know how it ended. I didn't know that that is what happened, but I had heard plenty of people like talking about, you know, you go out or whatever, and I'd heard people in the light, in the pub saying, Oh, it's yeah. All the ending was really bad or yeah, no. Yeah. I didn't really like the ending.

It was a disappointment, it was a let down. So I kind of knew that something. Different was going to happen, but

Dan:A little bit like the game of phones, where there's just such hype around how a series should end that you're never going to please all the people all the time.


Reegs:well, I think he went for quite, he didn't go for quite an avant-garde ending in some ways, because the last few minutes are really tense, but also really mundane. It's basically just a guy going for a meal with his family. But there's so much happened up until that point that it makes those scenes unbearably tense, and then it just it cuts to black, basically a long sort of 15 second cut to black.

And it's, it's, it's quite disorientating. It's only later that you come to it and think, well, I certainly thought, Oh, it's absolutely brilliant. It's a really clever way of ending it. There's a fantastic article online where somebody is completely deconstructed the last scenes of the Soprano's. If anybody's interested, I'll put a link up, but it is absolutely brilliant.

So thanks for listening to Soprano's chat this week.


Pete:no, no more on that next week. Yeah.

Dan:next week, it's over. I've just started watching marvels the Punisher on Netflix.


Dan:Just episode one. I'm watching it with a boy we're yeah. Too early to say really there's time. I haven't actually even seen the whole of episode one. So it is way too early to say, but promising.

Sidey:It does, it does have a big, low season one. But it does pick up again and I haven't seen series two.

Reegs:No same.

Sidey:Have you seen any of the other Marvel Netflix series?

Dan:Such as where my dead devil. No.

Sidey:Oh, that's fucking tiptop. Really

Reegs:I, infesting is not quite so

Sidey:I'm facing a shite. Jessica Jones is really good.

Reegs:Luke cage has got some good music in.

Dan:I like the Punisher though. . I remember it is one of those shows that  like real violence in it from a character, a Marvel character that

Reegs:Yeah, he's

a psycho.

Dan:they didn't

Sidey:Hey Kobe. He could be a real character. He could be a real person, cause he's just a guy with a gun. He, so he appears in, I think it's series two or three of Daredevil and he was so popular that he got his own series and there's a scene. Well, he stopped someone out of the sound effect, phrase, fucking brutal.

It really good, really good

Dan:how does it sound? Is it like that graphic?

Sidey:nearly as graphic as some of the stuff we saw watching our stuff this week,

Dan:Geez. Wow. Okay. Well, that's kind of what I've watched this week. And then the rest of it is been psyching myself up to watch what we've got to watch looking for what we've got to watch or or just getting my head around what we've watched.

Sidey:I watched, there was a lot homo to this week, I'd say. So there was that, and I've been watching a series on Netflix called. Bonded, which is about dominate tricks and gays and pegging and stuff is quite good. And the bird is really hot and the F says 20 minutes long, which is quite unusual for a grownups program

Reegs:Yeah. So you can probably crank two


Sidey:at least that's just the, the gay bits.

Reegs:I watched devs. I know you were talking about it. So ID, I binge watched the whole thing cause I was, I was yeah, up in the middle of the night and all sorts of stuff. I had brilliant,

Dan:Jason. Yeah, I like that.

Reegs:And the ending was like, Ray, I just thought he was, it was really clever. I mean, some of it was a bit cheesy, but the stuff they were talking about was great.

Really interesting. Yeah. Terrific.

Sidey:lots of stuff to look forward to today, like a top five, which has really captured the imagination of the Twitter. Twitterati.

Reegs:Yeah. And I've got a quiz as well.


Sidey:quiz. We've got we, we did a horror film, which was a real strange pick from Pete. Cause I don't think

Dan:I didn't,

no, I did not see this coming

Reegs:this was left-field choice.

Pete:I like to keep you guys on your toes.

Sidey:And for kids we're in a classic corner. This is this is a real throwback. So excited to talk about that.

 Top five this week, we're back on a musical theme. Peter, what have you done?

Pete:okay. So I was out, believe it or not. So I'm quite fat and I was out trying to run.

Sidey:Are you ready?

Pete:Yeah. And yeah, I was out trying to run. I downloaded an application, so my phone called couch to 10 K, which my Mrs. Genuinely thought was a way of making 10 grand from your couch. And she, when she said she was going to download it as well,

Reegs:20. K. What were you going to do with your money?

Pete:genuinely. So she'll, she'll never listen to this, but I'm going to rip her anyway. So I was out running and my calf went, but whilst, whilst I was walking, limping back, I was listening to some music and a couple of songs that came on on my playlist where. Songs that are from films. And I know you've done that, but this was specifically, both of these are kind of like, I guess, like biopics about musicians or bands or, or whatever it is.

And that was whilst I was

Dan:Just on your Walkman.

Pete:not in my Walkman. No, this was, this was on, this was using the power of Apple music and I yeah, it gave me the inspiration to come up with the top

Reegs:So, what were those, what were those tunes?

Pete:then I'm, I'm, I'm gonna end up going. Right. And so a couple of my picks, which I can do if that's what you want, but the, the, the top five is films about musicians, so groups or individuals and the first one of those, it was actually the song talking to my diary from Dr.

Dre, which is the film straight outta Compton, which is the biopic of NWA and a little

Sidey:what does that stand for?

Pete:Nutcases with almonds, possibly. Yeah, it was the film about a NWA. I think it's got references to what happened before. Certainly what happened toward the end and, and references other individuals and, and Dre solo stuff and Snoop Dogg and all of these kinds of things.

But also it was a really cool film. And it was one that I I've listened to the music of NWA, Dr. Dre, Snoop dog, this kind of thing. So for a, for a little while, and it

Dan:think you're a gangster now?

Pete:Not necessarily, no, no, I don't like I've put in a, an order for a gun. yeah, until that, until that comes down, I feel like a pretender.



Reegs:not seen straight outta Compton. And I really should, because again, similar to you, it's music that I really like. I think it's got a few decent actors and it's John boy Achor in it. Somebody's

Sidey:ice cube son. Isn't it.

Reegs:eyes keep sons

Pete:Yeah. It's and he's the absolute spitting image in like every way of ice cube. It's ridiculous. Yeah. There's really good performances by like the guy who plays Dre and easy and Snoop dog that it's, it's a really but I tell you who pro almost steals. The whole thing is Paul Giamatti. He is fucking unbelievable.

And then

Reegs:who's he? Who's he playing Eminem?

Pete:a, yeah. That's that's right. He's their manager and it's.

Dan:what was the spoof of that? They had

Pete:you see see before


Pete:what to film with Chris rock. I think it was Chris rock said, ah,

Dan:Straight out of Canton.

Pete:Straight low

Dan:Yeah, it was it straight out, low coast, crazy motherfucker named Gusto.

Pete:Yeah, that's, that's an incredible film. We should probably do that as a mid-week read and should at some point, cause it's, it is quality, but anyway, that was the inspiration behind the topic.

That was my first pick. Anyone else?

Dan:All add on to that we've one that I remembered and it was kind of defined the genre for me when I was growing up. And I watched this a biopic about the doors, all of the stones, the doors and I just loved it. I loved the film. I love the music. I loved Val Kilmer's performance. Meg Ryan was just so fucking hot in it.

Reegs:He really it's a dead ringer for a Jim

Dan:Yeah, he is. It's probably his best performance, certainly up until that point. I mean, I'm trying to think of other films that he's done. I, I know he did. Yeah. He'd been in heat. I mean, he's been in a loader, other things. What was the comedy did that was quite funny. Top secret or something. I think he was in wasn't a as a young man, Val Kilmer.

But this for me was way really got into the art of acting. I think he was, he, he tried to live like Jim Morrison. Didn't he? For the part, I think he was famous to go that he was really kind of method acting into, into this. And it's a great film. All of us don't know that he caught it of a, of a great band, a great time.

Sidey:I not sure if I necessarily got the interpretation of your top five. As just being biopics necessarily.


Pete:it isn't that? I think that, like I thought

Sidey:a bit of artistic


Dan:and anybody with a guitar in a film, that's fine with a harmonica.

Pete:are, there are films that are about bands that don't actually exist or didn't exist until the films existed and so on. So that, that would, that would get

Sidey:I've got a smattering of them, but this one definitely is a biotech. It's it's the in Curtis slash joy division Barbet control directed by Anton Corbin.   It's yeah.

it's an incredible fullness by Sam righty. Was it? This

Reegs:Brighton rock Sam Riley.

Sidey:yeah, nearly as it was nearly as good as that performance, but this was his day BU and he's fucking brilliant.

So I saw this obviously years and years ago, and it's be a bit weird watching someone have seizures all over the place now. But the story and just the, some of the stuff about just the little details of the band, I really liked. So the aerosol can. At the start of she's lost control when they're recording and spent the Morton's brilliant and this as well.

It's it's a fucking great one. I haven't seen it for a long, long, so I think I've only seen it the once. Actually. I definitely definitely do a rewatch, but one of the things that did occur to me making this mistake, there's so many of these biopics really good things that I've never seen him, you know,

Reegs:Yeah, that's a few I've not seen as well.

Sidey:a lot of been added to the watch list,

Dan:I, I gravitate towards East, so I've got quite a lot. I love these biopics. I love stories of, of musicians and bands and obviously sportsman and things like that. We've we've covered before, but yeah, there's some, there's some real good ones that he's going to be tough to make it top five.

Sidey:got one that I, I, Dan, talk about it. Cause I know it's, it'll be a real favorite of yours, Dan. So I'll, I'll maybe leave that

Dan:Okay. Well, if I don't mention it, bring it up.

Reegs:I've got whiplash which I just

Dan:Are you all right? Oh, okay.

Reegs:miles teller, generally not an actor, I particularly like, but he's brilliant in this. He plays a guy who idolizes old timey, jazz drummers, like buddy rich,

and he is at a prestigious music Academy. He wants to be in the top band they're conducted by JK Simmons is sort of crazy. Possible genius lecturer, but he, if he's not a genius, he certainly an asshole who screamed abuse at him sort of full metal jacket style the whole way out throughout the night.

It's a really incredible, you know, dissection of a serious look about what it means to be exceptional at something and whether or not that's worth the cost of your life. It's a really incredible performance from everybody. I think Simmons was nominated. For Oscars may even have one.

Dan:Yeah, I think he, it, boy, he definitely got nominated, but was it miles teller? The, yeah, I, I like him. I know that you're not a huge fan, but I think he's he's got an interest in face, you know, he's got one of those faces that I think really kind of suit some characters that any, he brings. I sat in gravitas to the screen as well.

I think he's is if, if his film choices are good, then I think he's got the talent to do some really good performances.

Reegs:Yeah. Well, he is exceptional in this and it is, if you haven't seen it, it's a great movie. Check it out,

Pete:The other, there was another song that was on my playlist. I know this isn't about playlists, but it was not, it was fairly hot on the heels of the track that inspired this choice for the top five. And this one I think is more like semi biopic if semi bioethical. Yeah. If that's a thing.

And it was, it was actual song eight mile from. Eight mile and

Reegs:lose yourself is the song. Wasn't

Pete:will lose yourself. But the, the, the song there is the song eight mile, which is, I think is the best song on that album. It's fuck.

It's a fucking unbelievable. So it's really good to run. So you get, it gets angry and anger as you get on. As I get.

Tireder and tireder  it's so for whatever reason, I avoided this film for ages. Cause I just thought it would be total bullshit. And I'm not saying it's like a, an old time or anything like that, but I actually, when I watched the film and I knew that it's kind of, I guess it's, it's semi-autobiographical the, the, the storyline or whatever, it's, it's kind of based on his.

Background and how we kind of like had to sort of fight to rise. So I love the fact that you know, the thing with him and the, and it kind of comes through in the film is that he he's, you know, he's the, like the minority in a, in a genre that you know, is, is like, not predominantly dominated by white guys, which is, which is a great thing, because it's not a, it's not a white guys genre, but the fact that he's risen to the top of it, I think on merit and fully kind of like validated and justified by his peers and everything.

I think that's a really cool song and it doesn't obviously the film itself doesn't go into all of that. Detailed, it, it, it doesn't go to the Heights that the m&m has actually reach, but I think it kind of like does do that in a, in an urban kind of underground scene kind of way. And I've really, really enjoyed the film and his performance as well.

I think he's just playing himself if I'm honest, but I've not really seen him in anything else, but I, I kind of, it, it changed. I liked some of his music, not all of it. But it kind of like changed my perception of him quite a lot. I thought it was a strong film.

Sidey:it was between him and vanilla rice for the lead in this one.

Pete:Which would also have been a great film.

Reegs:It's good in this. And it's a good underdog story. And also it gives us the terrific lose yourself, which really is a great song. It's one of only two rap songs we've ever won an Oscar. And it's the only one to win by a solo artist. I wish I knew that some of the songs let's say it was Rapper's delight by the

Dan:Yeah, that's what

Sidey:I was gonna guess Coolio.

Reegs:Gangster's paradise.

Sidey:Yeah. Cause that was off a film

Pete:he, but he's a solo artist. So

Sidey:true that have you seen the evolution of hip hop series on

Dan:I've watched part of it.

Pete:was that the, Oh no, I haven't. No, no.

Sidey:great. And there's a section on M and M you know, like you say, the story of this film effectively, him coming through the ranks and doing all these battles and these clubs or whatever, and you have all of these pairs, these, you know, really highly regarded to MCs and whatever, just saying. You know, this white guy gets up on stage and everyone's just like, what the fuck?

And then they were fucking blown away by his skills on the mic and they was genuinely fucking good. I'm really happy. I'm a bit on the fence. I'm not really a huge fan of all of his music. I'd probably just, I'm not a fan of greatest hits, but for him, I would probably rather just do a greatest

Pete:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey:but yeah, decent film.

I enjoyed it. Actually.

Dan:well, I'm going to add one here. Maybe it's the one you thought I was going to say earlier. Maybe it's not. I've seen this film a couple of times. I'll revisit it again. It's an absolute beast actually. Amadeus. Have you seen it? Yeah, it's a

Sidey:This, this is on my list, but it wasn't the one I was

Dan:Right. Well, maybe I'll go into that later, but this is just obviously Mozart the story of Mozart and around the composer, who is the, the favorite in court until Mozart gets there.

I forget his name, nothing. That's kinda the whole problem, Sally airy that everybody's forgetting his name because this young upstart called Mozart, who's having all the fun of. The, the times doesn't seem to put that much effort into his music yet can make a song to it. Just stand up throughout the ages much to Solari's disdain and earlier.

Yeah. And,  mess denari and any anybody else, you know, there's


schillaci yeah. Yeah.

1990 Italian side. Yeah.

it one eight. So, so there it's pretty good. Can anybody. Beat that an eight Oscar winner of IgGs one, the internet here.

Reegs:well, not Oscar winning, but In a field featuring in a film we discussed on the pod. So needy is prestigious is the sovereign refurbs from Frank,

um, which were an experimental band. I think it's difficult to really come up with, you know, you can box them in as to what they were exactly all about. I don't know if anybody has seen crazy heart, which is this a low key?

Redemption story, not unlike the wrestler in certain ways, which I recently bleated on about, on our website, but that's

Dan:the third Lebowski in

Reegs:It's got Jeff Bridges. That's right. It's bad. Blake. He plays an influential country and Western singer. Reduced to touring small bars while he feeds is a drinking problem and bangs the odd pound land groupie bridges is terrific in it.

Obviously the music is country, which has the potential to be highly awful. But it's actually the kind of country music I could actually listen to. it's got a great movie stealing performance from the uncredited and really very Irish. Carolyn feral is the ponytail, Tommy sweet bad Blake's former protege.

Dan:Yeah, I quite like this. I quite liked his low key. It did have tones of the wrestler about it, I think. Cause it's, it moves very slowly and there's, there's kind of a lot of meaning within scenes. It's a, it's a kind of bitter sweet film, isn't it? But I enjoyed this and yeah, if you hate country, you'll probably still enjoy this film because it's it's, it's.

It's good enough country music, Bihar.

Sidey:Cast your mind back to the year 2000 Cameron Crow, his.

Semi autobiographical, almost famous following.

Reegs:So the virginity. So I had just, as soon as I think of this film, I just think about the scene where he loses his virginity to light in a threesome. Yeah. Which is pretty similar to the same way that I did it. But yeah, I was going to say that actually happened didn't it?

Sidey:because this is him as, um,

Dan:They're different sexes though. Did they, was it order.

Sidey:Was he 18 or something like that. It just goes on tour as a rolling stone sort of journalist

Dan:film are we talking about here? Just

to almost famous. Okay.

Sidey:It's a fictional band Stillwater, but the story of him going on tour with following this band round is It's supposedly true.

It, they follow this bad rap. They're really kind of, no, hopers, they're, they're sort of B lists sort of just conventional sort of rock band, but they're never going to, they've got nothing about them to elevate them. But we do have a fantastic soundtrack. Your favorite David Bowie crops up in a

Dan:Joe B's mine now.

Sidey:week. And it also has, it made a hit out of the tiny dancer out. And John.


Sidey:don't think anyone was really bothered about until this film.


excellent. It's

Pete:it is a great June. Yeah.

Dan:But a little tiny dancer.

Pete:I'm going to go because a tiny dancer being referenced, segues nicely into my next pick, which I hadn't watched until. Two nights ago. And it was inspired by the, the, well, the misses. And I was sat there thinking let's watch a film. I said, what we were doing for the top five.

And I gave her the choice between. Rocket man. And another recent biopic. Yeah. Which, which I'm

sure we'll be, we're sort of, which I'm sure will be. Someone's now I had, I didn't really, I wouldn't say rocket man, partially by the reason why we picked it is because Cindy quite fancies Terra negative.

Although he's not at his like smoldering Matt show best

Reegs:And you quite fancy out and job.



so these two things went hand in hand. It was, I've really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. I kind of learned more about, I mean, I think some of Elton John's music is excellent and some of it, I guess not, no, I'd say I was going to say like Eminem, but some of Elton John's music really doesn't re like, you know, resonate with me in the slightest.

But some of it is really strong and

Reegs:he's got some absolute

Pete:He does have. Yeah. Yeah. And most of those are in this film, which is which, which is good. I mean, I wasn't really a fan of candle in the window. I thought it was like

fairly ma and I'm glad that there wasn't a massive, like big Diana Levin, like for like during this film, it was all about the early years establishing his career.

I never really appreciated that he kind of made his name in America more so than, than the UK. And obviously now he's he's a British treasure and rightly so, he's, he's, he's a fantastic, I didn't realize how talented he was. Obviously I knew he was talented, but the, you know, the stuff with just picking up like listening to other people, playing the piano and then mimicking them is, is allegedly

Dan:Interested and you find out he's gay as Woah.

Pete:Yeah. I mean, I didn't really, I didn't realize that

Reegs:So it's just an a,

Pete:yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think, I mean, I don't know how happy he was about that being revealed in the

film. But yeah, I, to be honest, I just saw, you know, you've got some crazy outfits as well down, so it actually made me question things about yourself.

Sidey:Well, you say that, But I just ordered a pink suit today.


Reegs:really. What kind of pink pastel pink or like

Sidey:Like pastorally it's for a wedding.

Reegs:Yeah, that sounds nice. Actually. I think that could work. Well, what


Sidey:I'm fucking boy.

Pete:But yeah, I really liked this film. I, I didn't even ask Cindy if she likes it or not, to be honest, but I, I really liked the film. I think it's just really strong performance from, from Tara megaton.

Dan:he's a brilliant character actor. He did Eddie, Eddie, the Eagle Edwards.



Dan:it was

Pete:seen that. I've not seen that. Cause he's fairly new.

He's fairly sort of new. I didn't realize like the Kingsman was like his first proper

Dan:well, I think he, he did a lot of stage didn't he? And

Pete:right? Yeah. You can tell he's stage school and everything. He can sing. He can dance. He can act. Yeah.

Dan:your wife. I mean, Elton is just you know, he's, he's a British national treasure. He's a creatively him and his writing partner


Turpin or

Dan:really interested in the way that he just kind of stays, you know, he's, he just stays behind the scenes.

He just does. It must be the best bit, you know, you get all the creative kind of side of things. You get to write the music and then somebody else does it. You sat in the back, take your checks. That's fine.

Pete:well, he just

wrote the

Reegs:sucked off by the groupies while they shovel

Pete:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. How

ho how hot was his birds in the, from the party?

Dan:Yeah. The, the some hot birds in

Pete:Yeah, whole, other than Nelsons anyway.

Dan:I guess. So I've, I've got one that maybe it's the one I'm I'm searching for the film society. So I'm going to be searching for the sugar man

Sidey:There it is. There it

Dan:is a documentary style film. Around a guy called Rodriguez who was pretty big in the 1970s to the point where he was starting to get a little bit of a following and a little bit of traction in his career.

He put his trust in agents and unfortunately his career never kicked off. And unbeknownst to him, he was bigger than the Beatles. In South Africa, he was bigger than Elvis. He was bigger than just about everyone. The agents kept it away from him. In fact, rumors of him burning on stage alive, circulate it.

And it just kind of grew his legend.

Sidey:you put me onto this because when we're at the man-cave, usually this is one of the records that you'll put on. Once we finished recording and it's

Dan:I bought the vide vinyl on the strength

Sidey:So I thought I'd give that a watch. I thought, Oh, this would be one that we could all sit and watch. So I put it on, I was with my daughter was like snuggled up on the couch mate.

And the first sort of thing they say is, yeah, this guy, like he never mattered to anything. And he poured petrol on his head one night on stage and set himself and I'm like, ah, that that's off. And that turns out to be just one of these myths that people have graded. It's not true. He's still alive.

But they, they talked to the, the record. Boss. It was, it was all Motown. And they're like, well, you know, everyone in South Africa had this record, so where'd the money go? And he's just really evasive about it. It's like, well, what are you taking them? I fucking took all the money. Well, yeah, like someone had to cause they show him live it now.

And he's just got like a wood burner in a, in a rundown and sort of like, looks like condemned, fucking

Dan:Yeah. Yeah. And it is it's crazy because he, he went on, he still just went to work. He went on building sites, but dress like a fucking rock star, his entire life. Like, you know, he turns up in a fucking velvet suit to go on fucking laboring down on the beach. You know, he's got glasses on it. He's just, he has that artistic natural street, one in Froome.

He was one of those guys that you just see, you know, he's always. Kind of just different to everyone else. You know, he, he just dressed differently. He acted differently, walk differently, held himself differently. That kind of, but he never complained about the fact that he never

Sidey:no, he didn't, it wasn't a father.

Dan:kind of Oh, okay.

And then somebody found out. That he was alive and brought him back to South Africa. South Africa didn't believe that he was alive. This guy was dead. And when he came out and struck the first kind of chord and did the first music, there's old grainy footage of it from some South African VHS video tape guy and the crowd go wild, they can't believe that fucking Elvis has risen again.

Or, you know what I mean? It's that kind of

Sidey:thought it was quite funny, cause there's not really kind of staging me like music, you know what I mean? It's more sort of quiet, contemplative,

Dan:Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's really,

Sidey:and then they're having to go to these big arena tours in

Dan:it, it was all around apartheid as well. And he would, you know, there was lots of bootlegging in the tapes. It's a, it's a really good film, really good documentary. I think it won an Oscar for best documentary one year. And he actually came over to Jersey as what would a sugar man?

He played. Yeah. Yeah. He played at the splash and he did some of that. Just down the road here. Hotel de France, I think he was staying there and that's where he also did a gig as well. And I live about 300 meters away and couldn't be bothered to go missed him.

Reegs: the wedding singer is one of Adam's son is best. I think. He's wedding singer, Robbie Hart. It's probably one of Adam Saunders, only likable characters. He's really good. This is a really funny movie. Somebody kill me is an amazing song. You know, that heartfelt chin.

Sidey:is that the, when he says I've been listening to a lot of the cure.

Reegs: it's the one with the chorus where he's screaming, but it was all bullshit. It was a goddamn joke. And when I think of you lender, I hope he fucking choke. I don't know if anybody's seen 1990 nines, Buena Vista social club. Then vendor's documentary about bunch of elderly and legendary Cuban.

Musicians, you've got this sort of amazing backdrop of the dilapidated, but vibrant Yvonna or Havana as normal people might pronounce it. You've got all these warm and talented musicians and then the course, the tremendous music the revival of the pre-revolutionary Cuba music scene the film finishes with this great performance from the bandit.

The famous Carnegie hall, if you haven't seen it, watch it. But most importantly, listened to the soundtrack. It's absolutely super.

Sidey:cool. High fidelity is one that I really, really like it. It's got John Cusack in it, so that's the word I love John Cusack.

Dan:Scott drew Barrymore as well though. Doesn't it? It's not that one. Which one's. That is the other

Sidey:It's it's a sort of obscure Danish actress that I don't

think has done much sort of

Reegs:It's got jet black spans in.

Sidey:It sort of, it, it's the sort of arrival of Jack Black as a, as a big time actor, this, this movie, and he's this sort of really obnoxious.

Dan:Hornby book. Isn't it?

Sidey:yeah, they work in a, that, that music snobs effectively. And so you've been guaranteed to get a fucking kick ass on-track, but all along he says, he's going to perform at this show and you're worried that, or certainly drunk, who sets worried that it's going to be some fucking dreadful nonsense.

But it turns out to be I can't remember who he covers now. It was it. Barry is Barry jive in the uptown five.

Reegs:dive in the a five previously they were Sonic death monkey and a Kathleen Turner overdrive.

 Sidey:And there's the kinky wizards, that group, that John, that discovers they steal all the records out of his shop, but he mentors them the music, and this is fucking kick ass. Got stereo lab, be a band. Smiths is the clash. It's fucking brilliant.

Reegs:the silly band names in this were actually the inspiration for the quiz today.

Should I kick it off? Do you think?

Sidey:No, do it


Dan:well, I've got a couple more that I definitely like to mention before we wrap up too much yeah. I I couplers films. We, we regularly mentioned actually the blues brothers and this is spinal tap. Both of those get, get mentioned blinded by the light one. We reviewed it on an earlier pod.

Sidey:I was, I was going to double drop a Springsteen

Dan:What's the other

Sidey:Jiro Springsteen and I

Pete:So dreary

Sidey:it's fucking crap. It's it's fan footage of various different Springsteen, like East street band concerts, and it's fucking crap. I got about 40 minutes there and I turned it off, but blinded by the lights. Great.

Pete:and his music's bullshit.

Sidey:It's not none of your reasons for D for disliking it valid,

Pete:well, other than the fact that it couldn't be more middle of the road, like if my dad was a Dick, he'd listened to that,

Dan:Well, I'll mention one more than that. I won't elaborate on Quadrophenia it's and I'll feel staying was in it, there was a few others out of it did have a bang in soundtrack at the time, but besides the hate stinks, let's not go on.

Sidey:Fuck sting. Fuck police. They are

Pete:Ah, the police police. Yeah,

Sidey:they can suck a Dick all the way.


Reegs:police are good and their lifestyle is great. There are much, they're like a punk. Yeah, they were.


Dan:Okay, well, what you got better?

Sidey:Well, are we really going to just give spinal tap a five second throw away?

Dan:Well, we do talk about it a lot on the pod, but if you wanted to add another.

Sidey:well, it, it turns the mockumentary genre up to 11. Let's just say that Sid and Nancy

Reegs:Oh yeah. I forgot about that. That's a

Sidey:As I'm Sid vicious. I know that Jamie chambers would like that nomination as he's a huge, huge Gary Obama fan, but if he doesn't retweet us, he can go suck a Dick.

Behind the candelabra is the movie that we reviewed on the pod

music and music and gay sex based. But I think I have to nominate bill and Ted's excellent adventure. The often misunderstood

Dan:the wild

stallions. Yeah.

Yeah. I have you, have you is there a new one coming out? Is that

Sidey:yes. I've seen it.


mentioning further? No. Okay.

Sidey:I mean, it's worth mentioning that it's really disappointing and shit.

Dan:Surprise. Surprise.

Sidey:Interesting fact, the guy in charge of the, whatever their calls committee that they go to in the future, the big black dude that was Clarence Clemons from the East street band.

 Reegs:That thing you do, it's a kind of inconsequential rags to riches and back again, story, which the first film written and directed by Tom Hanks.


I quite like this movie. It's very slight it's about. They sort of speed up the tempo of one of their crap ballads, that thing you do. And it becomes an instant classic

pro she is. Yeah.

Dan:it's it was a kind of safe bet for his his first.


Dan:Yeah. For, from,

yeah, that's it, he went out there with this art house stuff again.

Reegs:but it's a really terrific song and it's a nice sort of pop culture looked back at the sixties. It's a slight film, but it's, it's enjoyable school of cock with Jack Black serious

as it

Sidey:old school.

Reegs:Yeah. It really, it's a cute premise. And you can probably probably think you might know more or less what the movie's going to be like, but you're wrong about that because it is actually it's never condescending or silly.

Sidey:Song performance at the end is fucking great as

Reegs:Yeah. It was the highest grossing music theme comedy of all time until it was overtaken in 2015 by sight. Lee's favorite pitch. Perfect.

Sidey:Oh, it's good.

Dan:Seen the pitch perfects.

Sidey:Midweek, man.

Reegs:Danny boy,

they were Himesh. Patel is a struggling musician who has an accident and suddenly he's the only person in the world who can remember the Beatles.

So he

copies all there. It's a very good idea that it falls apart really in the third act. It's such a clever conceit and there's so many ways they could have gone with it. And Hamish Patel is charming in it. But it's not and Dr. Teeth and the electric mayhem, which is the Muppet band which had Dr.

Teeth inspired by jazz keyboard is Dr. John on vocals animal, of course, on drums, Floyd pepper on bass Janice on guitar Zoot on saxophone. And then in season five lips joined the band on Trump.

Sidey:okay. There's another movie that I have blogged about before, which has stopped making sense.

It's the, basically just a concert performance of talking heads, which is fucking great.

Pete: he's been mentioned a couple of times at the high fidelity and school of rock, but tenacious D and the pick of destiny. I don't know why I watched that film, but I did, and I didn't turn it off. So it was that, that sorta got so about that in terms of like mythical, not mythical, but made up, I guess mythical is, is, is okay.

The commitments I, and a lot of bright, sorry, there we go. So side's face, there was a lot of hate for that. Lots of hate. But I, I

Sidey:every one of that is ginger.

Reegs:12, when that movie came out and it, my sister was listening to the soundtrack a lot and it just totally introduced me to loads of cool musicians like Al green and Otis Redding and Wilson


soundtracks. Amazing.

Reegs:to them. And you know, you can't forget Andrew Strong singing on some of those songs.

Sidey:Can try.

Pete:yeah, Sid just was one of the sheep and just followed the haters without one, but I enjoyed it.

Reegs:I really embarrassingly sang it like really loud to a girl though, is trying to chase it when I was like


Dan:that to have been recorded.

Reegs:yeah, like just absolutely belting it out. Like I was Andrew Strong, but it was more like Andrey week.




Pete:Did you just make up that whole story? So you could crack that joke.

Reegs:No, the joke came at the end actually, as I was thinking about Andrew Strong.

Pete:And that's, that's pretty good. Pretty good. And the last one, actually, we were talking about Oscar nominations and or Oscars one, I can't beat the eight or whatever it was that Amadeus had, but this had 10 nominations and won five. And it is, but it's, it's based on, but mostly an, an accurate representation of the music of the Von Trapp family, which is the sound of music.

Reegs:Hmm. It's

Sidey:So good.

Dan:Been a long, long time since I've seen it.

Sidey:Yeah, we are currently when I say we, I mean my daughter and I, because there's a new music teacher at my daughter's school and they are learning Edelweiss to sing. I have to say this quietly, cause she might hear the saying to the mothers on mother's day. So every day we've been sneaking away to stick YouTube on and watch Edelweiss.

And. You may not know this, but I fucking love the sound of

music. It's great.

Reegs:Hey snow.


Dan:Well, you can, you can

Sidey:get over the

Dan:you can, you can both

Sidey:get over the Nazis

Dan:You can both have it in your top five. But all these would be closer to mine. A LA Bamba. One of the first, yeah, one of the first bar picks I, I saw and Lou diamond Phillips knows it really, really good to do such a great story. It's such a a fantastic kind of Artists for 17 years old, unfortunately with buddy Holly, which is another film of mine, the buddy Holly story with Gary Boosie which is fucking immense.

If you haven't seen that at such a really great film reads has seen it and just looks like he does like it. Or have you seen that film weeks?

Reegs:No, I

Dan:No, it's really good. Really good Boosie. Fantastic

in it.

Pete:he, he, as an individual is amazing.


Dan:he's point break walk the line really enjoyed that as well with Joaquin Phoenix.

The story of Johnny Cash and get on up James Brown,


um, Chadwick. Isn't it.

Dan:yeah, another really decent biopic.

Pete:any relation to Lisa Stansfield?

Dan:Yes, They're sisters.

Sidey:All right. Then that's the shitload of films that we've spoken about. Let's reduce that down. Can we simmer away and just create a shirt, a zoo of, of four movies.

Dan:tough. I tell you to get it down, but for me, I'm going to go straight in with the doors. It was the one that really started my love for this kind of film. The biopic as I mentioned earlier Vulcan was brilliant. Meg Ryan was an absolute babe. I loved the music. I thought this was one of Oliver's stones, real top, top movies.

Pete:I think I've got to go with my sort of first choice, which was the one that sort of inspired this top five, which is Australia or Compton. There's so many, so many strong performances in it. It's a really it's, it's you know, there's been other films about like, you know, rap and hip hop and suffering that, and they've tended to be a little bit more sort of rough around the edges and underground and urban and so on.

And this was like her. A really, really sort of cool film with great music loaded great actors. And I really enjoyed it.

Reegs:Whiplash. I think about that film all the time. It's really good. Yeah. Watch it.


I'm going to go for what did nominate pass? Yes. Yeah, let's do it. Let's go sound and

Pete:Good choice. Strong choice.

Sidey:right. Rigs. You have got a musical sort of quiz for

Reegs:I have I have, yeah. This is a true or false around or fictional or factional around bands that are in movies. So I'll start you off with one or two, and you just told me whether or not it's really in a, in a movie or not. The first one is the shitty Beatles.

Sidey:true. That's Wayne's world.

Reegs:Is a Wayne's world along with crucial taunt, which was Cassandra's band Munchausen by proxy.

It's also true from yes, man. The film itself is not that great, but the music was quite good. HIV and the positives. Yes,


Reegs:it's false. War, penis, false head Hedwig and the angry inch.

Pete:Is it, how is the Harry Potter reference? True.

 Reegs:it's true Hedwig and the angry inch from the eponymous musical, which I haven't seen, but when I looked it up, I thought it might make an interesting midweek at some sometime. It's the most successful film of all time, about an East German transgendered singer Dr. Finn K's hundred percent natural.

Good time family band solution.

Sidey:Arrested development.

Reegs:System of a Downey Jr.

Sidey:I'm going to say that false

Reegs:JJ, a coach's pursuit led procession of death.

Pete:No, I'm not having that one. That's


Sidey:Be true.

Reegs:No, it's not true. Citizen Dick.

Dan:That's true.

Reegs:That is true. That's the band from the movie singles having most of Pearl jam in it. During the making of the film, the guitarist, Jeff Amun produced a list of song titles for the fictional band citizen, Dick Chris Cornell, the sadly dead front man of sound and took it as a challenge to write songs for the film using those titles.

One of which was spoon man, which is a song that we've enjoyed a

few times,

Marvin Berry and the Starlighters.


Reegs:It's true. It's the band in back to the future that he uses feces PCs.

Dan:feces PCs. Oh, I hope it's true.

Reegs:Yeah, it's a false sex BombBomb.

Sidey:Oh, that's

Reegs:That's correct. And add off hipster and the vinyl solutions.

Sidey:True. It's got to be true.

Reegs:It's false. It's

Sidey:we need to be that, that needs to be our

bands then in that case.

Reegs:There you go. Congratulations. And none of you are the winner. We've all lost.

Sidey:Pete.  This was your first week of nominating and we were all very taken aback. When you nominated a horror film.

Pete:yeah, that's right. So there was a lot of pressure on, I think probably the best way to. Describe how I felt was that, you know, I liken you guys. You're a well-oiled machine. Let's say it's like a, you're like a formula one. Racing team and you've asked the guy that serves kind of like the mashed potato and gravy from the canteen to like drive the car.

That's that's what I like in this too. So I thought I'd have a bit of fun with it. Cause that's what you do. If you've got to drive the car and you worked in the canteen. So what I did is I spoke to somebody who I believe is. Knowledgeable and has an insight into a lot of films that have been made and would be interesting to watch and talk about.

And I won't reveal my source, but this was recommended to me. And as a result, I I recommended the neon demon.

Sidey:Yeah, you did. I'll I'll fess up. You messaged me, felt like you're under a lot of pressure and there were two films in the running almost completely identical films. The other one was Harry Pasa and chamber of

Dan:you really flummoxing with this, right. And you just choose one film in all the films you've ever



Sidey:it was one of the Harry Potter films that was right in

Pete:I wanted to, I wanted to nominate Harry Potter and the half-blood Prince

because it was it K it was released in the year that my mother first child was born, which was 2009. And also because there's a couple of real strong Harry Potter haters on, on this podcast, which is rigs. Yeah.

Sidey:just rakes. I think just rigs.

Pete:I think Ray, I think Dan's.


Dan:just not seen

Pete:Oh, you're just not seeing him. So it would have been a good opportunity, but coming in what is booked? Well we'll film six would wouldn't have really made a lot of sense. So obviously the natural alternative to Harry Potter and the half half-life prints is the neon demon by

Dan:what it's like. Hello?

Pete:by my fellow bad that Sidey.

So the neon demon, it's a it's

Dan:Nice family film.

Pete:I knew all of this beforehand, obviously, but it's a 2016 psychological horror film directed by the very famous to me, Nicholas winter ref.

Reegs:Yeah, well, it's the big question. Isn't it? Is it wind that blows or winding, like watch it's actually neither it's vending


Pete:Yeah. Again, I was, I was hoping you'd pick up on that rate because I knew that but yeah,



what do we think about the fact that he monographs with his initials, the beginning and end of his film? Is that cool or

Sidey:I really like it. No, I like it.

Pete:Yeah, I saw that NWR. I just realized what that, what that means now.

Reegs:I like it as well,

actually, but like a lot of his stuff. I think you can argue it either way.

Pete:Right. So I'd never heard of this guy. Albeit I've looked at some of his back catalog and I've heard of some of the things he's, he's done. I've not seen drive.

Reegs:Oh, drive is brilliant.

Pete:think I've think I've not seen any of the stuff he's done, but I have heard of some of it. So but this film in particular was essentially without going through the, the, the, the plot of it, you know, in, in any.

Drawn out detail was essentially the story of a young 16 year old girl, I think recently, or certainly was, was a, a, it was an orphan. I don't know if she was

Sidey:yeah, her parents were

dead, straight away. I'm getting flashbacks to, mid-summer a previous film with dead parents, which, you know, is always, it's always a lovely way to open a movie.

Pete:well, the thing is probably also a really good way for somebody to just go off on like a like a plot device to have somebody just go off and do something totally different, or, you know, it explains why somebody would just like land in. In a city like Los Angeles by themselves, age 16 and just, and be totally like alone and at the mercy of the, of the, the various predators that, that she happens upon.

I think probably the, you know, the main thrust of the plot is that she's, she's young and, and. You know, untouched. She has, I personally didn't think she was that attractive, but she had like a natural beauty in a, you know, an unbiased smirked kind of look that disappears pretty early on in I guess most of the other models lives and careers once they're in the hands of the, the makeup artists and the cosmetic surgeons is one scene kind of like refers to And I think really the, the film is, is designed to, you know, highlight the dog eat dog, or even catty cat world of modeling in LA.

Dan:Which nobody knew about ever.

Pete:well, I think we probably all suspected that it would be the case, but this is a, an interesting take on it. Yeah, because I think it's a, it's, you know, it's there's, there's some quite literal elements of,  as I say, eating like your way to, not at the top, but taking out your your biggest rivals and so on.

But I think over the course of the film, something that was a theme was, was that this girl was slowly kind of making that transition into the. Like the stereotypical, like the, look, the makeup, the hair, like I think over the course of the hair, sorry, over the course of the film, her hair seemed to straighten and just become long and blonde.


Reegs:well, she's exercising the power of her beauty. Isn't she? Because she doesn't really realize how a beauty at the beginning of the movie, she doesn't re I mean, this is kind of basically a vampire movie about female beauty. And, and vanity, and she's the innocent Virgin at the beginning of the movie.

And then as she moves through it, you know, she even specifically  references a few times or it's made pretty clear that the sexual experience she's talking about, she hasn't had. But as she she's using her beauty as power in the industry,

Dan:you're looking at about just over an hour before anything happens just to, just to get people up for watching this film.

Pete:no, I think, I think you'll, you know, there was about 10 minutes in, there was a scene where there was just. People stood in a room and some strobes going on that went on for about five minutes. So I think you're wrong. They're done. There was definitely the strobe, no dialogue weird scene that

Dan:It's an art house film. This isn't it. I mean, it's one of those is kind

Reegs:not, it's not, I, so audiences are used to very heavily narratively driven films and this isn't a particularly heavily, you know, the characters are not nuanced. They're all ciphers. It is not a traditional narrative film. There are long stretches of like weird blue. Triangles on screen and pumping since and people dancing and people collapsing into strange imagery and that's okay if it's all style over substance, what's wrong with that sometimes.

 Especially when it's done as well as it is in this movie.

Dan:But it wasn't the nice family film I was expecting. And I just said to the kids, as soon as she started climbing on top of that woman

uh, the, the dead woman and started kinda humping her. I said to the kids, look, this, this, isn't the kind of film for you.


Reegs:I must admit I didn't see that scene coming. So she

Sidey:no, I didn't either. So when, when we were watching the misses and I watched this and Ruby, the makeup artists straight away, my misses, like don't trust her. She's a fucking wrong. And I didn't pick up

Pete:What, what do you think gave you your messages? The indicators? Yeah.

Sidey:she was, she was on task straight away, but I, I didn't get that vibe that obviously then you've got the two models and stray.

I had heard a little bit about this being accountable

Dan:I didn't. I had fucking no idea. I'd like,

Sidey:I, I, I was straight away sort of thing. Well, they can be because the whole thing is they're trying to stay young and beautiful. There's a new guard on the scene that gonna take her life force or however you want to fucking dress up to stay young, which is exactly what happens.

I didn't see. Basically this, this film's got a trifecta of necrophilia, cannibalism and pedophilia. So ticking those boxes

Pete:they, they were the

Sidey:uh, I didn't see the necrophilia bit coming at it fucking gruesome.

Reegs:Was she she's rebuffed. Isn't she by Jessie

Sidey:but if you

Reegs:And so she goes to work and has a Wayne Conner course.

Sidey:That same, well, I can improvise. She was only supposed to kiss her and she fucking basically nearly fingered it and was groping her and fucking full on Melissa.

And she fucking improvise that, that freaks me the fuck out.

Dan:that's yeah, that's taken it to another place. Isn't it

Reegs:But, I mean, this is also a movie where in one of the climactic scenes, she has a sort of she gives birth. In the Moonlight or she has some enormous menstrual blow out in the Moonlight. So, you know, whilst the, the occult

Dan:loads, loads, or metaphors and things going through here, you know, is it beauty against. The very ugliness of society as well. You know, you, as you mentioned, all those, you know, necrophilia, Peter failure and all the rest of it against this very physical beauty, this, this look that everybody wants to take apart of all the photographers or the agencies, you know, there's no care for the person.

It's, it's pretend you're older than you are. Just we can get our way, we get our piece of you, you know, it. You know, pretentious self-indulgent or, you know, a, a hypnotic work of suspense. It was plot probably caught in too, for me. There was certainly. Compelling viewing, you know, there was, it was really well shot.

And even when there was big lulls of no dialogue and things you want it to watch and, and yeah, and carry on. So I watched this for, I know why it was just over an hour before anything happened, because that was about just over an hour to that scene where the girl is on top of the dead body. And I heard the boy coming down the stairs and then moose has just said to me, she's going to have sex with that dead body.

And I could hear the boy coming downstairs and I fought, I don't want, you know, he's just comes down, wandering food, say good night to his, and we're watching this. So I turned it off at that point and we never turned it back back on again until the next night. When there was

about 30 minutes left.

Sidey:She properly

Dan:It was, it


just not so fucking hour to yeah, it was.

Reegs:crime. Honestly, go

Dan:it, it went a little bit dusk till Dawn, after that, you know, it was like, it had been one film and then it kind of turned into another

Sidey:I mean, a lot of the stuff that happened was kind of either screen. Or I was going to say implied, I think it's implied. It's explicit, but it's not that there's not. That was probably the most at that point, the most visually disturbing imagery on the screen, the next thing is they're in the mansion and they attack, they just full on attack Jessie and she, you know,


Sidey:there's that scene where she jumps out and punches her.


Sidey:punched her for real. They actually. She, but she, you know, that scene where she jumps out and she fucking leathers her. They actually got her right in her face and they kept that as the shot for the movie.


Dan:they've gone crazy on this film set Evan. They they're like one of them just going for it on the go. Anyway, somebody else's punching them in the face. This is all gone. Fucking

Reegs:she falls doesn't she, she falls into the swimming pool and you

Sidey:they put her in the pool is where it culminates, but then it cuts straight to. Ruby in the bath in a bath of blood with a hair

Dan:Not obvious to me still what had happened at that point. Did you have your ink inkling on what

Sidey:I thought, I, I wasn't sure if the whole, the bath was just her blood, but I was certain she was dead. And then you've got the two models just cavorting around in the,


Reegs:was A scene. I could only watch for a couple of hours.

Dan:if, if, yeah. Which if, if you think actually um, yo, you got two beautiful models naked in the shower, you think, Oh, that'd be a moment they're covered in blood. They've just

like, you know, it's not at all. Not



Sidey:all. It was disturbing. Um,

Reegs:erotic as the necrophilia anyway.

Sidey:fucking out that scene was just off the fucking chart. Then we've got the final there. They're back working with this. I think he supposed to be a really sought after photographer that they, they were, they were the seeds of that jealousy was saved when he had picked the younger model Jesse.

And so they had now got the gig working for him, but something's not quite right with one of the girls. I think it was at


or, um, she didn't feel very well. So she disappears off to the bathroom. And eventually after this long drawn out sort of retching scene, Throws up Jesse's eyeball.


It's fucking great.

And my message when the other girl comes in, like I remember her name. Is it

Reegs:well, she, she, she throws up one of the, she she's desperate. She says, I need to get her out of me, stabs herself to death with a pair of scissors. After she vomits up the eye and then

Sidey:My is like, she's not going to eat it. She's not going to fucking pick it up and eat it. She's not going show.

Dan:Fuck. You know, so I had a mate come around line or and we watched the last half an hour. So he hadn't seen the entire first

Pete:Did you give him any sort of context or do you just read it straight in

Dan:I've I filled in, I filled in a couple of bits and pieces when characters came on. Oh, he's the photographer they want. Yeah. You know, that kind of thing, but otherwise he just got that last sort of 35 minutes of necrophilia.

And then stopping around the house and, and come cannibalism. Yeah.

Pete:Wow. Yeah. I think it's probably worth mentioning that there was a massive surprise cameo from Ted Theodore, Logan.

For me, I, I D I, I was like,



Sidey:I had no idea. It was weird. I don't know that. I don't know why he was there. It didn't need to be him. I dunno. It was just weird. I didn't, it was almost a bit

Reegs:he forces her in a scene that you think might be a dream, but might not be too basically deep throat a

knife, which is a

Pete:I just, I had forgotten about that as well. I mean, he, he's a real, he's a real asshole, isn't it? He basically gets young girls who come into LA presumably for modeling and then just tries pimping them

Dan:What'd he say real Lolita shit, man. They go

Pete:yeah, yeah,

Dan:14. It's like what?

Reegs:And there's also a Cougar. I think it is in Jesse's apartment, which I assumed was possibly one of the feline models, Sarah or GG that had been transformed.

because obviously it devolves into a Colt vampiric shit towards the end.

Dan:I never really picked up on

that, but, uh, it


Reegs:was definite witchcraft and all sorts of stuff going on.

Pete:Yeah, but th the only sort of supernatural bit for me was, was the blood coming out.

Sidey:Yeah, I think there was definitely some sort of supernatural stuff hinted at, but it wasn't, it didn't really matter. I think the overall themes were pretty clear that it was about them stealing her. Whatever it was,

there were scenes, there were other scenes there. Do you remember the bit with the gold pain where she originally worked with that photographer?

Reegs:was so uncomfortable. That scene. Cause he's just staring at her,

Sidey:but it was, she was supposed to be nude like on camera, but then they were, Oh, she is actually under-aged like, we can't do that. So it was all implied nudity, but then you did have the scene with her just in her underwear. Doing the walk and you're a bit like, fuck

Dan:old is this actor in real life?

Sidey:I don't realize how old she was. She was supposed to be playing a 16 year old. And you know, the guide during the casting has just nonplussed by all this, this bevy

of women that walked past until, until it comes to the 16 year old girl, you're

Pete:she, she was 18 when the film came out. So she would have

been in and

Dan:were, what they were implying is as we kind of alluded to is just this pure purity around this, this gal, and they're all. On it like bees round the honey pot. I mean, they are, they just on it. They all these predators, all these opportunists or these people that just see this beauty, this girl and what their piece of uh, and slowly it changes her a little bit.

But these are animals that and then she, she didn't really ever have a chance.

Pete:it's kind of like a lot of scenarios. I don't know whether we've experienced them or not, but like, Whether it's an office or, or done with like football or whatever, with there's like a new kid on the block and somebody's coming into an environment where, you know, you're, you're the season pros or you're the, the people who you've been you know, getting selected or your, you know, the, the, the boss's favorite or whatever it may be.

Reegs:the new guy comes in and you kill and eat

Pete:Yeah. Yeah. But, but metaphorically, like all of them are, I wouldn't say that like nice. Like I think Ruby kind of like, you know, offers some, some kind of friendship at the beginning. And the others, I wouldn't say they're nice, but they're not, you know, immediately hostile to her necessarily.

But you can tell that there's a lot of green-eyed monster that

Dan:yeah. Not possibly too to her face, but I think anybody watching it as we work, where we always kind of invite it to just look on aren't you and, and, and see these characters, their behaviors. They're, they're horrible. They're horrible people. You can see it

Pete:Yeah. The PR like predators and you know, and I th I think you know, a recurring theme of this type of industry is, is like the, the predatory nature of, of, you know, like the, the managers, the photographers, the designers, like the rival models.

Dan:you know, just to get out there

Sidey:Even, um, Christina Hendricks, he thought, you know, as the woman in charge of the model, that she might be slightly more compassionate or,

you know, but she was just as

Reegs:she's the one who tells her say you're 19. Cause to cause eighteens too on the nose.

Sidey:She just goes into the reception as well. And just looks at one of the girls says, now you fuck off. Like,

Reegs:Well, but that's what that industry is like, I guess.

Sidey:I know, but it's just, it's kind of surprising to see it from a woman doing didn't really one of the girls. I don't know. Maybe that's just some silly stereotype idea I've got money-wise the budget for this was $7 million.

What do you reckon?

Dan:just, no, I will lose

Pete:the director's like, I'd never heard of him, but I'm guessing he's a big deal and it's got like, he's got. Can reads in it. So they must have been, I don't know whether that would have been a lower or not, because no one knew is going to be an art VAT, the same breakeven.

Reegs:Mine a winner, I would say,

Sidey:nah, but shit, the bed on this three and a half mil at the box office.


Sidey:Plus marketing, they fucking lost. And actually he's not made a movie since this, which was five years ago. He has had a TV series. I think it's called too old to die or

Reegs:well, he's flirted with some big projects. He reportedly turned down, making the bond movie Spectre. And


Sidey:would be a

Reegs:I think, well, in, in you know, he, he admits himself in an interview that he's not a particularly good writer. And I think his strong point is visual style. If he teamed up with a really good writer, it could be something interesting.

Sidey:Do you remember? There's been an occasional feature of inanimate objects that have appeared in multiple films. So the Batcave, the road that was in speed and Lala land, the mansion at the end of this film was also the mansion in scream three.

Reegs:I knew it. I knew it when I saw the mansion. I said, I've seen you

Pete:Yeah, it was two or three. I knew that. Yeah.

Sidey:Let's bring this to a close though. Pete, were you not entertained?

 Pete:Yeah, I wouldn't say it was entertained necessarily. I'm glad I've watched something that's totally out of my normal kind of comfort zone. And it's, it's good for me to sort of go outside the box sometimes and see things that are, that are different. I did it based on a recommendation. I'm not. I'm not, I don't regret that, but ultimately the film didn't really do a lot for me.

I think other people who know a lot more about movies and how they're made and directed and everything will, will appreciate this more. So not really.

Dan:Yeah, it's film that I didn't get on with, to be honest, I can understand and appreciate some of the the, their themes and. The the way that it was shot. I think it was really nice. Nothing to do with the performances. Just didn't have a lot going for it for me, somebody on the daily mail journalist said banned this sick filth, which kind of makes me then like it more.

Sidey: Yeah, daily

mail. They probably said

that about Thomas the tank engine or something. Fuck Ben.

Dan:It was at times really compulsive view and kind of hypnotic. Yeah. Had that, that part about it. Wasn't enough for me to say that I was entertained. So not for me.

 Reegs:Uh, I watched the entire film and there's not a single fucking demon, which leads me to believe it's probably a metaphor. I think I did really enjoy this movie. It there's definitely, you can throw the critique at it that it might be cryptic, artsy bullshit. But for me it was like a more abstract approach to a horror movie, creating the sort of moods and emotions of, of scariness through imagery and strangeness without the sort of shackles of a normal plot.

The. There's a sort of distance because the sort of underlying themes and concepts, the modeling business is beautiful on the surface, but ugly underneath and LA is full of superficial and phony people, pretty fast I'll stuff. So that distance actually gives you. the space to appreciate the visual and oral parts of this movie, because it's constantly changing.

You're never too far from something coming on at you that you'll like maybe the pumping score, which is really good. Maybe a few scenes of a symbols made out of neon triangles. People dancing, maybe it's a woman lying menstruating in the Moonlight, someone consuming an eyeball that another character regurgitated only seconds.

So that all kept me quite engaged. Amazon prime suggests it's a superior next after I've watched

this. And this definitely shares a lot with Dario. Argento is Irv. This sort of stylish slow burner and the vibrant, colorful design. Yeah, I like this. It's not for everybody. Which is not me being. Sort of pseudo intellectual.

It's just, this is sometimes not your jam. But I did really like this cliff, Martin is his score is great.

Sidey:That the score, the soundtrack is great. They, they described it as a, as, as a kind of Saifai score

actually. it shares a lot of similarities with drive in the sense that. Drive has these long sections of a dialogue free. And it has a great soundtrack to the film we made.

In-between only God forgives dollars, the dollars, the violence up to beyond even 11. I think it's just off the fucking chart. I was going to nominate that, but I thought when I read about it, I thought, no, that's too

much. So he's dialed at that year. He's dialed it down for this one too. Maybe like seven on the Richter.

I enjoyed it in the sense that, like you say, Dan, it was, it was compelling viewing. I'm not sure we learned anything about what it was. Maybe it was trying to say about that industry or that lifestyle because you know, everyone knows that

Reegs:I don't think it was really trying to say anything about the lifestyle. I

think it was mostly talking about beauty and actually how beauty itself can sometimes be a horrific thing or a thing that leads to horror. So yeah. Anyway,

Sidey:the the necrophilia scene

is, um, is not something I'm going to forget in a long time. That stays, that kind of stuff stays with you. Um, So overall it was, I entered at was I entertained. I'm not sure. But it's not a movie. I'll forget in a hurry. That's for sure.


 Kids TV. We're going back to a classic. And this one, I remember watching the first time round, Pete, what

Pete:Right. Okay. So this was a massive nostalgia Fest for me probably I'm I'm hoping all of us in the, it was something for that I

Dan:I'm a bit young. I don't

Pete:Yeah, yeah. So it was, yeah, it was, it was something that I remembered from my childhood watching. I'm not sure what sort of age I'd have been.

I'm going to guess around the sort of, you know, six, seven, eight kind of Mark watching.

Sidey:It's dated at 82 slash 83.

Reegs:If your kids watch this now, or why are we watching this for the.

Dan:Well, I'll confess I haven't seen this because it's a bitch to find. I couldn't find it.

Reegs:I found it in Turkish in the end on YouTube.

Dan:it's, I, I got, I got the volume of, , the mysterious cities of Los gold.

Pete:Well, that's not what it is. So that's probably

why you can find it. I mean, I, I don't think we've yet mentioned the title. So, so Daniel, you're going down the route of like, why this was not an, this was not anything that you knew about, or it wasn't

Dan:Oh, no, I watched this big time when I was a kid.

Pete:it's, it's not, it's not that a left field then if, if you'd actually bothered your ass, he could have found this. um, it is the mysterious cities of gold

Reegs:I thought this was just called cities of

gold. So that

Pete:mysterious, it's the mystique.

Sidey:great point because. I used to have, I've still got out. I'll dig it out for you. It's one of those XL quizzes where it's a, it's a picture or a screenshot I've loads of different things. So I've got film ones or whatever. This was a kid's TV one. And the only one I could never get, even I fucking knew it was this was the mysterious cities of gold.

And I tried everything. Fucking different variation of the name and it wouldn't come up and the fucking screen, the spreadsheet was protected. So I couldn't get in to see the set. It was referencing. They had the answer and motherfucker, I hate not a hundred percent in these things and I'm going to find it. going to complete it. Cause it's, it was the picture of the golden condo. So I


Pete:yeah, yeah. I mean, it is, it is. And always has been the mysterious city, mysterious cities of gold, and its original release in

Dan:It's still very emotive.

Pete:And its original release in, in Japan, it was called Esteban child of the sun. And in France Le Mystere, he is a city door, which I think literally translates as mysterious

Dan:is it French or is it, is it

Pete:It was like Japanese, French. I think it was like a. it might have originated as a brainchild or someone in France or something like that, but a lot of, a lot of animation of a C was, was

Sidey:It, it certainly wasn't English language originated because the dubbing, I, I hate to say it

Pete:it was, yeah.

Dan:What was it like in Turkey, shrieks?

Reegs:Well, in the end,

in the end, I did I did manage to flip it from Turkish to English.

Pete:Oh, there we go. See a man with a little bit of, you know, resourcefulness, right? Let's so let's, let's get the thing. Let's get it out of the way. First of all, before we even talk about the episode or anything else, this is the best theme tune of all time. Nothing

Sidey:Yeah. With you.

Pete:our challenge, anybody to hear this.

Theme tune and not like my, my messes never

Reegs:that's a top five for another day, but,

Sidey:as soon as he nominated it, it was the

Pete:Yeah. My message has never seen it. Never seen this before. Never seen this before. You didn't watch it as a kid. Didn't, hasn't watched this with me now. I put on, I actually not binge watched the entire thing  you know, middle of last year and she would.

Walk around the house, singing the theme, cheer without ever having even watched it. That's how,

Reegs:can you give us, can you give us a little, few, couple of bars?

Pete:No, I know, I know all of the lyrics and all of the, the, you know, the harmonies. Um, but no, no, I'm not, I'm not going to do that. I won't do it. Justice. It's a, it's a

Reegs:Uh, I think if you've, if you've heard, if you've seen this before any of the listeners, it's already playing in your

head, the theme tune, so you're ready to go.

Pete:It is. And there was some the

Reegs:There's another one as well, though. The song of mysterious, awesome nurse which does play during the reveal of the golden condo. As well as earlier in the series with the butterflies,

Pete:Right. Okay. Okay. And there's, there's also the, I there's loads of good music in this, this, this is the one that the bed at the end of it, which is like the, you know, the, the historical kind of like lesson

that you get with the Brown, Brown, Brown, Brown, Brown,

Dan:the, the problem with this for me when I was

Pete:There's no problems with there.

Stan winder in.

Dan:Well, yeah, but there was a problem. The problem was it would, I would never catch the whole episode or see consistent enough to have followed the whole season back in those days, of course, eighties, you were  then you didn't have all this stop start technology once it played it,

Pete:yeah, you missed it. If you missed an episode then, then, but what they

Dan:you. We're not catching up. Like

Pete:They, they did. They always did a little refresher. Yeah. There was always a little refresher. And then there was always a little kind of like, you know, prelude to, to next And so on, but

Dan:it was easy to kind of miss it an episode or two, particularly if you  you know, anything after

Sidey:well, this was on going live or one of those things. Cause it was Phillip Schofield and Gordon, the gopher that


Sidey:So they wouldn't necessarily have a time slot. It would be on, you know, cause that was like a two, three hour program on a Saturday morning. So you could easily miss it because they wouldn't say like 10

Dan:no, it was always really unclear

to me this when it was on actually as a kid, but I fucking loved it. And when it, when it was on, when you'd hear that music, when it would pull you in and you'd be like, Oh, I hope it's just starting, not just ending. Cause they'd play that theme it at both the beginning and an end.

Pete:I think using the power of technology and, and editing side, he's going to play a little excerpt of the theme tune right now.

Sidey:Pete you've obviously then recently rewatched, the whole series does a kid die later on when they were up the stairs.

They're going

Pete:Yeah. Okay. So , when I say watch the whole series, I've still got a few left, so I haven't seen,



it here, OODA

Pete:the last, the last few right.

Sidey:So I remember watching it and I, one of the seeds that sticks out in my head was that one of the characters, someone, one of the kids

Dan:I think I, yeah, I think this is

Sidey:on the stairs and I was fucking blown away at the time, thinking this is, they can't kill someone like this is a kid's program, you know, being like just fucking shocked, but watching it again now, this is so fucking rad is just fucking great.

Pete:I know we're not going to go through the plot and everything because it, it would. It will take some time. But the reason I chose this episode is that actually, if you watch like the episode one, it's kind of dreary, it doesn't really go anywhere.

Reegs:as opposed to the rest of it, which is absolutely fucking amazing.

Pete:It is. It absolutely is this one. I think that, so this is the first time that we um, tower who's like the, I I'm going to get the name. No, but I think he's just, I mean, he's,

Sidey:Because he randomly fell

Pete:He's a, he's a child that has lived by himself. Most of his life and only had a

Reegs:did you think he was a bit, if he was drawn a bit of a racist caricature?

Sidey:was wrong with his head?

Pete:Yeah, he did have a poor haircut. It he's going to be cutting his own hair or maybe his parrot does it, but there's, he's been alone for a long time. So he's going to be sort of like quirky, , yeah, he's a. I think he's from the Hiva people or whatever. So he's what, what this episode does is it brings together the three children who then are the ones that go on to, to have the adventures along with.

Esteban is, is, is the main kitty. There's the girl who was Zia, , who she's got like incur kind of, heritage and has ended up in, in Spain. And it's like the, you know, they, they then go on voyages and discovering the sort of the new world, but this towel kind of, he links them into this like technology , of this slight lost kind of like kingdom

Reegs:some old junk, which includes a diagram of a bike.

Sidey:yeah, it was, DaVinci. It

Pete:Ah, Right. what we see like this episode is called the ship's LRS and that's the first evidence of this sort of like ancient almost alien technology that you see in the sea in mysterious cities of gold going forward. , I've really read it. The condo for me was like absolutely iconic it's in like the opening credits that he even referred.

In the theme tune, but it's, , it's quite a way in it's about sort of 25 episodes in before you even see the

Sidey:but the ship's Alerus that motherfucker was Nazi worthy. There was no fucking way

Pete:The golden ship is going to just go

Sidey:Yeah, I had a fucking massive temple. It just, it was idiotic,

Pete:But I think you'll find that the, the heaver people actually knew more about that kind of soft light, ballast and stuff, then the new , and even though their kingdom just drops into the sea at some

, that their boats are right.

Okay. but th this, I think that it, you know, it was real and that, that was very sea worthy


reverse racism or whatever it's called, isn't it? Because this was a lot of, this was about the evil white man,

 Sidey:Is that the Spanish conquistadors coming over and basically giving everyone AIDS and cancer


Pete:being decks to all that. Like the natives. Yeah.

Reegs:Towel had forgotten to feed his power. It, I think it was, it was an absolute nightmare bird, wherever it was that it was squawking

Pete:uh, Cocker petal is his name,

cook cooker petal, but he's quite plump. So I dunno.

Reegs:bad guy in this who is attending did two by two, sort of do first henchmen. One of them that as a monkey face, but the bad guy is called Mendoza.

And I just kept thinking of the Simpsons

Mendoza. He was a kind of, was he not a kind of evil gene slash architect? Because there was one point where he went and he said, look at that tunnel that kind of been made that was made by human hands or whatever. And he's saying the angle of the. Angle of the stones meant, you know, so he was an evil genius slash architect. I'll tell you what I remember about this as a kid, I remember the amazing thing tune, and then I remember being bored as fuck by it and wishing to avoid it. And


just end to end exposition really annoying characters talking to each other. This was a really typical example of the sort of thing that I'd remembered about this program.

Wave after wave of explanation about what was happening and then a Komodo dragon comes out and shoots lightning from his head. And, and that's


Sidey:your dad is the worst take ever. That is

the fucking worst day. This was an educational piece. Your

Dan:I think in many ways, as I remember it is somehow held the meaning of life, uh, for, for 25 minutes, it was, it was just brilliant. I absolutely loved this. always, I really want to just hook myself up for the full season. I'll I want to

binge on

Pete:To do it. And I sort of just started watching some other things because it was difficult to, because my kids were not interested in this. My Mrs. Was not interested in this. Um, that's, that's just not true rigs. I think, I think that this is, this is deliberate, just because like, you know, you want me off this podcast and the fact that I've now been

asked to pick some

I didn't pick the neon demon as, as we've established um,

this evening.

so yeah, I know, I know, I

Reegs:Nearly killed me.

Sidey:Interesting point though. Is that in the. Other versions of this, the heaver era that you mentioned was actually known as

Mo, which I think is a


Pete:uh, the justified ancients of Momo

Sidey:Yeah. The copyright liberation front, I think have something to do with this, which probably explains why the soundtrack is

Pete:yeah. Yeah. If the KLF did this soundtrack, it wouldn't surprise me.

Sidey:I knew even as a kid who I would have been. Dead young. So I don't know. I can't see this in 82 because

Pete:No, but I think, I think the original release was in like France and Japan and stuff like that. I don't think it came to the UK until like 85 or something. It would have been.

Sidey:Yeah. So I, even then, as a young kid, I knew that this was like elevated above all other cartoons because. It's just so fucking good. And then the animation style, it really reminds me of other stuff that I didn't realize that it was originally Japanese. I thought it was I've noticed some other foreign fucks, but the animation style really reminded me of things like 

Pete:yeah. Oh, that, uh,


Dan:what about dog? Tanyan, you , member that ACE got that same kind of softness , of character and everything obviously different,

with less dogs, less speaking, fewer

speaking dogs.

Sidey:Overall for me I had kind of forgotten about it. But when you nominated it, it was sheer joy and I was not, there was no element of me was like, Oh man, I wish I'd just left us in the past. I was so fucking happy to

watch this

Pete:Hey, Steph it, I promise you. It's definitely worth continuing with, I wouldn't go back to apps one to five because it's just establishment

Dan:Where can we find this easily, Peter, just to watch for all

Pete:Well, I I've, um, like I say, I'm, I'm a, I'm a reasonably talented and resourceful guy, so I had no bother whatsoever.

Dan:Well, I missed this episode. I do remember it from when I was a young growing up

Pete:you'd have been about 15 when

Dan:I would would've I would have been.

Reegs:well, it was set in 1532. So


Pete:Yeah, yeah. 15

Dan:certainly well into my

Pete:You were. Yeah.

Dan:by then. , and , I've no reason to think I still like it. So, yes, I won't sit on the fence. I like this one.

Pete:Yeah, you can try to not like it,


Dan:love the music. I have listened to stuff , on YouTube, just. Just dabbled in a few times and looked at the  , animation and stories and things. They don't have episodes easy to get on. There it's will be a nightmare to find, but I will find it. I yeah, I think it was stand up, but we actually don't,


I didn't like this as a kid.

Dan:you are wrong

Reegs:as an adult. Uh, the music is really good, but anybody enjoys, this is probably a fascist

Sidey: And dusted for another week. Pete. I think you just about got away with that. Despite all the Flomax saying that's gone on throughout the week.

Well done rigs. If you've got nominations for us for

Reegs:I have a next week is going to be a terrific one-off Baghdad's Marvel's special which is going to be great. We're going to have a top five Marvel, something or others, and a kitty Marvel, something we've never done. Marvel, a listener requested that we do something Marvel and we've got the perfect.

Collaboration here, cause we're back in the man-cave next week, which we're all very excited about. And Pete also hates all the superhero movies, so it makes it perfect for us to review a superhero movie with him. So we're going to be watching Avengers end game, which is the culmination of years and years of, of world-building.

You've got 22 films to catch up here, Pete, for you watch Avengers end game. But yeah, we're going to do a Marvel special. I'm really looking forward to that and we've got.

Dan:I was going to say shit just about Mike is quits there. P I think if you watch all 22.

Pete:uh, Nah, this is just Riggs tactics to get me off the podcast again. I'm

Reegs:And as a little warm up to that as well, we're going to review a real favor of society and ours is to open up the Marvel week. We're going to start with the mid-week mentioned of Howard the duck, which is really

an absolutely mentally good. Maybe that we'll talk about. So I think I'm afraid Peter, you're going to have to pay for both of these.


Pete:I'm just ringing Howie to see if he's available for next week.

Sidey:Right. That's going to be awesome. We've got. Loads of cool shit going on. So thanks for listening. And we've been having lots of interesting chats with people over our nominations on Twitter, which is great. So please do continue to talk to us like subscribe and review us and do all that stuff.

We really appreciate it. All that remains is to say Sidey is

signing out.

Reegs:Weeks out.

Pete:Pay her Andre out.