I'm No Longer Here & Wacky Races

I'm No Longer Here

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, a sort of weekly group therapy session where middle aged movie aficionados dissect, deconstruct, and occasionally destroy your favorite cinema. On today's episode, prepare yourselves for a cinematic gangbang as Peter brings us Gang Week. We've scoured the depths of the criminal underworld to bring you the top five gangs to grace the silver screen.

After that, we'll be bringing you the 2019 Mexican folk music drama Ya No Estoy Aquí. Or if you don't speak Spanish, that will be I'm No Longer Here, in which I predict we will spend a good 40% of the review describing the main character's haircut. And we finish things off by dropkicking our nostalgia square in the popcorn bag with classic cartoon wacky races.

Now, a quick word of caution for those of delicate sensibilities. Listen up, fuckheads. The language can get pretty spicy, and if you haven't seen the movies or shows we're tearing apart today, well, as well as misremembering them and possibly unappreciating them, we'll also be spoiling them. Probably just by talking about them.

All that's left to do is introduce the dads. Starting with Sidey, whose pen cap collection, I think we can all agree, is the envy of the pen cap collector's world.

Sidey: Yeah, I also still have a collection of an ink cartridge with the little glass balls in it.

Reegs: Ooh.

Sidey: Because I've got a fountain pen. Yeah, I think that is, well, it's Montblanc, but I think

Dan: Oh

Sidey: they, they fit multiple, they fit multiple, so like a

Dan: Shafers.

W.

Reegs: I know, he's in a different, he's

Cris: Do they fit, do they fit the Cartier pen?

Sidey: It will do, yeah.

Dan: Oh, Chris Knows.

Sidey: It's it's what I do my signing with.

Dan: Right,

okay.

Reegs: We've also got Peter whose family tree could provide shade for an entire village.

There's Dan and if you ever wanted to know what your grandparents were watching when they were younger, he's got you covered. And there is also I'm very glad to be able to say the returning Chris. And Chris, for a long time we've made reference to your good looks. I heard you once walked past a magnet and it started following you.

But you've recently, as a result of a nasty eye thing, you've had to slum it as one of us sort of regular, disgusting looking folks for a little while, haven't you? Yeah, I was. Yeah, what was that like for you?

Cris: Not great. What, to look like the rest of mortals or, alright, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was alright. I mean, I just, you know, sometimes...

Reegs: people weren't like opening doors for you

Cris: No, yeah, there was no red carpet. There was no, I had to actually book tables in restaurants and yeah, but

Reegs: Sad times. Well, you're back now

Cris: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: good.

Dan: Wow. We've been watching anything this week, Riggs?

Yeah.

Reegs: We've been watching Manifest, which is a sort of schlocky Netflix thing about a group of passengers who disappear on a plane and re emerge five years

Pete: re emerge five years later.

Oh, is that any good?

Reegs: It's got like, yeah, yeah, I'm watch, it's got that rewatchability and

Dan: far are you in?

Reegs: I'm about seven episodes into the first season so it's got me kind of hooked like I need a little bit more to happen but I'm under, to understand good twists and things are coming so.

Yeah, it's quite an interesting premise just because, like, one guy, for him, he's, like, literally just got on, got on a plane and got off again, and when he comes back, like, his wife is now with a different guy, and you know, his daughter is five years older, and all that sort of stuff, so quite interesting sort of dynamics, like, that sort of thing going on as well, but it's, like, all really schlocky.

Anybody been watching anything good?

Sidey: I haven't watched anything apart from the homework. Because we had a rad night out. All five of us here were out together on Friday night.

Reegs: we

ended up back here.

Sidey: wasn't it? Yeah, we ended up back here, didn't we? Yeah,

Dan: Yeah

it was. It was I was out on the town, though.

Proper out, out.

Pete: Yeah,

Yeah,

Cris: You've actually made it to a nightclub as well, which is amazing.

Reegs: I danced, you know, I hurt my hip dancing to some drum and

Sidey: I went to walk through a doorway which is actually a mirror.

Dan: I

Sidey: Yeah, that was cool. It looked really cool.

Dan: doorway which is actually a mirror.

Laughter That

was good.

Reegs: yeah.

Dan: It was a, a nice, fun night. And then we, we came here and,

Pete: retired to the man

Dan: Retired to the Mancave as, as sensible

Reegs: was

port and,

Pete: a we brought a complete attack novice in and even he still beat you

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. We beat everyone, didn't

Pete: No, it was just him and you head to head

Dan: It was well, that's how it ended. That's how it ended. It, it got down to that. He, he didn't really understand it. At first, but then he started rolling all kinds of unicorns

Pete: up here is a bit of a a thrashing actually still have 15 on the board

Sidey: Yeah. Well, anyway, that happened. But yeah, that did eat into my time for watching stuff, so I didn't get to watch anything. Anyone

Pete: The only thing I watched since I was last here, I think was the thing that you mentioned Reese, about that free diver woman.

Reegs: Oh yeah.

Pete: Yeah. Which you didn't, and you mentioned it in one of these from a couple of weeks ago or whatever, and you didn't mention the fact that she basically just killed her boyfriend and just carried on. You watched the same one, right? Where her boyfriend died trying to, like, get her under the big ice thing, or whatever.

Reegs: that seems like a different one, I think.

Pete: No, that seems like a different one. Okay, maybe I watched a different

Sidey: Yours is a

Reegs: This was ice diving.

Pete: right. Okay. This this was like basically like free diving. It was the same sort of thing getting down

Dan: it. was

Pete: Yeah, well, she yeah her boyfriend dies like trying to Rescue her and she survives and then just immediately like gets over it and just carries on doing it, which wasn't

Sidey: Sounds

Pete: I'm so I'm horribly claustrophobic, but I think it's more Out of my fear of not being able to breathe.

So watching it was fucking horrible. Because I was doing that. You know when you're running out of air. Trying to get back to the surface in a pool or something like

Dan: that. Thai cave movie, that's what that reminds me of, that was

Sidey: 13 GOs.

Dan: Yeah.

Wow.

Reegs: don't...

Sidey: you can just breathe though, while you're watching it and there's no

Pete: No, I know but it actually makes my chest like tighten and I, and I

Cris: Any lactates?

Pete: Yeah, I just squirt milk everywhere use milk

Dan: done. Easily done. I, I was I did watch the Guardians of the Galaxy thing. I don't know if I'd watched

Pete: You mentioned that last

Dan: Yeah. I didn't watch it again.

Pete: down

Dan: I didn't watch it again. So I haven't watched really much in between then and now then.

Pete: you have been not necessarily watching stuff because you couldn't see for a lot of the time

Cris: I've listened to a million movies and all the musicals that are available or ever invented. I've listened to all of them because I couldn't see. So it was,

Pete: I

Cris: yeah, I do have to apologize. I think the greatest showman is one of the best musicals that has been ever created. And I thought it was terrible at the time when I watched it, but I've listened to so many of them that now I'm

Reegs: You know, it's a

Cris: That is really good. And I've listened to so many movies. I've listened to John Wick 4. Which

Sidey: I did watch that this week. Sorry, I did watch

Cris: there we go.

Dan: John Wick.

Reegs: you've watched it and you've listened to it.

Dan: and actually, it reminded me, I watched John Wick last night.

Reegs: Right.

Cris: the first one?

Dan: first one. Right. Yeah.

Sidey: Okay, I have to say, a little bit disappointed with 4.

Cris: I told you.

that.

Sidey: Yeah, it wasn't as good as 3.

Cris: Extremely

Sidey: So going up, up, up, up, up.

And then it's just no

Cris: Extremely long and the fight scene,

Sidey: in it as well. I dunno if anyone's seen it, but he does die. He categorically does die at the end of

Cris: And the fight scene at the end, when he goes up the stairs, Is fucking

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: goes up and down.

Sidey: with, well they kind of trying to do that thing like the stuff with the, what's it?

But he does die. He does, does

Dan: This is James Bond hangover stuff, isn't it?

Cris: but I can tell you I've watched two movies that I actually remember recently that when I could kind of finally see, which one of them was called drag the cross the concrete or something like that drag the

Reegs: I'm gonna pick that for pod maybe.

Cris: Watched that and it's with Mel Gibson.

Sidey: friend of riggs people

Cris: and the tall guy Vaughan. Is it Vince Vaughan?

Yeah. And it's, I'll, I'll let

Sidey: I

never heard of that?

Cris: I'll let you decide

Reegs: There's another one of that

Cris: It's a serious movie actually.

Reegs: eye on as well Cellblock 99. He's, yeah, he's quite an interesting...

Sidey: I'm

Cris: not going to say anything about it because it's it's

Sidey: I hate it when people

Reegs: He makes quite, he like, sort, he, they're sort

Cris: No, no, no, because I can. There's no point for me to say now if we're going to watch it. And I've watched Sicario 2, which I thought because

because my missus went when we

Reegs: loved it? and

Cris: one. Yeah, my missus really loved it. And I thought, right, if we're going to do movie night, I'll put this on because I.

Don't really care. I'll watch it and there's ah, is that the one the second part of it? Yeah, and then it's really good. The second one is really good

Reegs: Is it the

Dan: Yeah, I watched it.

Cris: same yeah george brolin

Sidey: has her in it, but it has

Cris: it's not there's no yeah, it's george brolin. There's benicio del toro. There's no emily blunt and the english guy

Dan: I watched

Sidey: John Smith.

Dan: it soon after we watched Sicario. I watched the second one because, and it stood up.

Cris: watched the second one. And it is

No,

Sidey: No, I don't understand it.

Reegs: all live.

Cris: want to live.

Sidey: I could be winding you up about John Wick 4, but I'm not because he does die. Right, we had a Top 5 about tattoos when we last did a Top 5, which wasn't last week, it was the week before that, and we did them all.

But Pete and Chris have both got nominations to add.

Pete: Well,

the first one I thought of was George Clooney's tattoo as one of the geckos. Seth Gecko, I'm going with. In

Dan: still

Pete: Till Dawn. But we also...

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: tattoos. Yo.

Yeah.

Cris: Yeah, I've put it on Twitter, but obviously you ignored me, so,

Sidey: I think I did read it out. But say it

Cris: It's the tattoo from a guy that it's also kind of relates to this week's topic, but it's a movie called Prayer Before Dawn. It's based on a real story. It won loads of awards at the Cannes music sorry, film festival. It's about this scouts guy who goes to Thailand, gets in trouble, and he ends up in a Thai prison and the whole movies or most of it is, is filmed inside a Thai prison.

And in the first night, this guy who is a boxer. Originally, he's a boxer, a scout boxer, he the guy that's next to him, they all sleep on the floor and when he wakes up, wakes up, the guy is dead next to him and it's day apparently the dead bodies, he sleeps next to it for a week, but there's this gang in the prison that they all have full on face tattoos and if anyone watches that movie, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

It's brilliant. And the guy is actually a a criminal in real life, the actor, and he's been, when they went to Cannes, that you've got all the crew, all of them in three piece suits and all dressed up and that, and that guy that looks like he just escaped prison, which is, which is

Sidey: Thai prisons are apparently sound as well.

Reegs: well.

Cris: yeah, there's really nice,

Sidey: Easiest time you can do, yeah.

Dan: Bangkok Hilton,

Sidey: Yeah, that's like, segues like, almost too well into this week's Top 5.

Reegs: Yeah, but then where are you going to put the insert?

Sidey: Top five gangs?

This was your nomination, Pete. Yeah. So you might as well start us off, I guess.

Pete: Okay. Let me just get my list up, what, what I did just before was looked up what the dictionary definition of gang was, which kind of rules out a lot of the ones that I'd put on my list

Sidey: I could be in trouble here.

Pete: gang, right, so specifically it's an organized group of criminals,

Sidey: I'm

not sure. They're all minor criminals, to

be honest.

Pete: because you've got like gangs, I think it has a less sinister

Sidey: well, I guess

Pete: because

Reegs: Would you say like the, the, the guys in ET, were they like a gang of

Pete: yeah, I would, I would. I'll give

Sidey: you dangerous B M X

Pete: I might as well just kick it off with this.

I was thinking of the Goonies as a gang. Like,

Reegs: I've got the

Pete: they to me are everything.

Reegs: Yeah.

Pete: The sweetest song that I could sing. No, they to me are a gang.

Sidey: And. That was on at the drive in movie thing over here

at the weekend.

Pete: I saw some people, yeah. This is a film, and then

Sidey: It is, you're right. And then perversely,

Reegs: the

Pete: It is a film. Perversely, then, the Fratellis are more of a gang, because they're an organized, like, crime family. But, for me, I would have gone, like, Goonies rather than Fratellis, who are just

Sidey: Well, they probably break and enter into the...

Pete: They do. They've probably committed some sort of mild peril of of thing. They do, yeah. And they're hunting for treasure, which is larceny by finding, I guess. If they were to actually take it.

Reegs: quite a lot of vandalism with those pipes as

well. There

Pete: is, yeah. Yeah,

Reegs: We could get him on several misdemeanours

Pete: Exactly. But this is a film which, until recently, I would have believed would have been, like, universally loved by absolutely every single person that had ever seen it,

Sidey: who are we having killed that doesn't like it?

Pete: So, a guy who doesn't, but friend of all the people on the pod but never listens to it, a guy who we know as Tino.

Sidey: Oh, what a dick.

Pete: no, no, no, no, no, wait for it. He loves it. His missus, Courtney, does not like the Goonies. Fucking hated it. Only watched it for the first time like five years ago. Absolutely hated it.

Cris: I can't say anything, I've not watched

Dan: guess.

Pete: Yeah, but he was already married by then, so there was very little, I mean, I think

Sidey: That is Gramsford's divorce

Pete: are, in the offing, but

Reegs: I... I

haven't seen it for a long while, I suspect the kids could be quite annoying now

Sidey: Have you not watched it with your kids? No. Oh, so I watched it with my daughter and she fucking loved it. Yeah. Straight away at the end, like, is there a Goonies 2? Like, if only.

Pete: yeah, I know, and you can lol at one eyed Willy as

Reegs: about Sloth? What did what conversations...

Sidey: know that she's that turned on by it, but

Dan: Ha

Reegs: Fair enough, yeah,

Sidey: Okay, yeah.

think she was on the fence.

Reegs: Okay.

Pete: Fair enough. So what I'm gonna do as the ombudsman of what qualifies as

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: us down?

Pete: No, I'm gonna allow things like that because I've broken probably like the

Sidey: Okay.

Pete: like let's say the modern

Sidey: It's a strong start, I would say that.

It's a

Cris: So, so why are you changing the definition to, from a gang to just a group of

Sidey: No, I think we've established that they did, they did commit

Pete: yeah

Reegs: they did commit crimes

Sidey: In an organized way, so that's fine.

Pete: so.

Cris: Okay.

Well, I don't care,

Pete: way are we going? Clockwise or

Reegs: Well,

whoever goes next, Dan's going to interrupt them anyway, so...

Dan: No, no, I'm,

Pete: Dan hasn't got any yet. So he's doing his re he's doing his research right now.

Cris: I've got, I've got one from, which could be a num, any number of, a few of them in this movie, which is one of my all time favorites is SUD or city of God, which it's whichever gang you wanna pick, you just pick one.

Or, or the story of the gang of Zeppe Kenyo, how he ends up being called or rocket. Is it reality? Yeah. And, and that's kind of the, the biggest one I can think of because it kind of tells the story of him being a child, starting, starting a gang when he's six or something like that. And then going on to, until he's an adult or a young adult, let's say.

So that would be one that I think we've all watched it. And, and we all come in agreement that's an actual gang. To the

Pete: It is definitely a

Reegs: a cracking movie. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah, and a great movie, so I've only got another one or two, so you can

Dan: Okay, well, I've got the five points gang. Which is from the gangs in New York is Amsterdam Ballen. He's Leonardo DiCaprio. I need to revisit this film.

Pete: the Dead Rabbits.

Sidey: we've had that nominated online, so we'll get to that.

Dan: Yeah. I think this is another

Sidey: That's that overrated prick Daniel Day Lewis

Reegs: Yeah, Daniel Day

Pete: yeah. I need to be honest,

Dan: Right.

Reegs: Is that in the time frame? Cause I only remember, I barely remember watching that movie, so...

Dan: Yeah, I need to revisit it to be honest, but being it was gang

Cris: yeah.

Sidey: didn't like it, I turned it off, I didn't like

Pete: Irish accent is a little bit

Reegs: Is it oirish? Like

Pete: It is a bit, yeah, yeah,

Dan: Always like Daniel Day lewis because he's just

Cris: a

Dan: yeah

Sidey: a king. He's one of

the Yeah,

Pete: one of the greatest actors there's ever,

Sidey: and Meryl Streep. Yeah, fucking hell, close the book on that, cunt.

Dan: You're not as keen, are you? But there's, you know, Gangs of New York. I've seen it once.

back

a while ago. I enjoyed it though. I I did and I thought it was Not one of those ones you're going to rush into again, but it's probably about time. I would say again We should maybe it'll be a nomination Maybe for this week pete is it was gangs, you know

Pete: It's not for

Dan: you chose something

Reegs: it can't be this week. 'cause we've already started

Sidey: we've done, yeah.

Reegs: We're doing this week now.

Sidey: this week now. I'll, I'll, I'll pick this up then with Ocean's Eleven, which is the name of the gang, I think. In

Reegs: No. Well it's the Ocean Crew,

Sidey: Danny Ocean's crew. It's like the easiest watch.

that you'll ever get. Obviously this is the, I'm talking about the remake of the Sinatra one, the Rat Pack crew. I'm talking about Clune Dog here who's cropping up again. And they, they like, they're criminals. So they are, they like categorically fit your definition Pete. And the first one, I'm, I'm really talking about the first film where they rip off Terry Benedict's casino lot.

Reegs: It's, it's

Sidey: night and they, so they got, the vault has to have an X amount of

Cash.

Reegs: in there somewhere? Somebody,

Pete: an

Sidey: No, it's Andy Garcia is Terry Benedict and the casino vault has to have X amount of cash to cover the bets that are going on whilst it's a big fight night. I think it famously costs what's the place the box of the title didn't it?

Cuz he was filming this rather than training.

Cris: Lennox Lewis.

Pete: Evander

Sidey: The English heavyweight

Reegs: Oh no.

Sidey: good one. No, that's a good one. Lennox Lewis.

Reegs: Lewis.

Yeah,

Sidey: Lewis played the guy that who's having a title fight which meant that they're they're there and

Pete: he British? He's got a Canadian

Sidey: Yes, he is. So there's an elaborate whole thing about how each member of the team has got their skill and they break into the vault and you can watch that film a million

times because

Reegs: skill is a terrible accent.

Sidey: Yeah, which kind of gets phased out through the three films.

Pete: Well, I can tell you I've watched... All of them zero times. I've never seen any of the

Ocean's

Sidey: 12 is not great, but Ocean's 13 is really

good.

Reegs: Didn't they do like a

Sidey: I went...

Reegs: of all chick reboot

Cris: Yeah,

Sidey: Ocean's

8. Ocean's 8. Yeah. I've not seen it. It's got Rihanna in it. So, I'd probably

masturbate to it but I went.

Cris: not that good in it. She's

Sidey: She's in it though. I went to the Ocean's thirteen with my friend Jim at the cinema and he fell asleep. So, if that if you're looking for a recommendation, there it is.

Reegs: Did you assault

Cris: Ask Jim.

Sidey: Yes.

Reegs: Of course I did.

Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. So

Ocean's eleven.

Reegs: The Warriors, anybody seen that?

Sidey: seen that? No, and Pete and I were having a discussion when we were doing this nomination thing and we were trying to force that in because neither Have you seen it? I haven't

seen it. So we were trying to, can we do Once Were Warriors and The Warriors but Dick couldn't because they're both

Reegs: Yeah. yeah, well, here we

Dan: I've seen it, I've got the soundtrack on vinyl

Reegs: Oh, have

you?

Pete: can we listen to it on your, oh no,

Reegs: It's a sort of John Carpenter sort of synth y type thing, isn't it, the Yeah, that's how I remember it, surely.

Dan: soundtrack's different it's it's very much.

Like uh, the shangri las and that kind of music

Reegs: kind of music. All right.

Dan: bebop It's

Reegs: Oh god, I don't remember that bit about it. But it's a it's a 1979 movie a Walter Hill movie I haven't seen it for years, but it's basically about a sort of charismatic gang leader who's uniting all the gangs in this like sort of cartoon almost version of new york and it gets blamed on the

This one gang, the Warriors, and they have to make their way back to Coney Island.

I think

Dan: that's right. Yeah,

Reegs: and

They, you know, it's populated by this sort of almost Tim Burton esque sort of array of gangs. You've got 21 gangs, at least as I read in an article today, including the ones I remember, the Gladiators, the Savage Huns. The Moonrunners, the Satan's Mothers, the Electric Eliminators, they had a really cool sort of neon yellow lemon jacket.

The Hi Hats, the Lizzies, as sort of an all female, maybe lesbian gang. The Baseball Furies, that were like Kiss, but wearing baseball outfits

Sidey: I hate Kiss,

so I'm

Reegs: you do. And the Gramercy Riffs, who I think were the bad guys

Dan: The Wanderers, I was thinking of, not the Warriors. Different. You

Pete: bebop

Dan: yeah, I was, I was,

Reegs: I was thinking, no, I'm

pretty sure I remember. everything

Pete: that Reegs is talking about is lending

Dan: is talking about

Sidey: soundtrack

Pete: and you're talking about bebop.

Dan: was more of, it was doo bop actually. Yeah, not doo bop. Yeah, yeah,

Sidey: yeah so that's the kind of film content you can enjoy on this

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: podcast. Yeah. Knowledge is power.

Pete: Okay, so right, so a couple of real life gangs are the Crips and the Bloods as we all know. And they feature famously in a film called Boyz N the Hood. Which features Cuba Gooding Jr. Lawrence Fishburne. Although everyone's calling him Larry Fishburne now. You especially, but he's called him Larry Fishburne

Sidey: now.

Well, they're Good.

good mates though.

Pete: Who, Lawrence and Larry?

Reegs: me and

me And,

Pete: you and

Reegs: La

Pete: Ladza. Yeah. Ladza lad. I...

Sidey: Cube

Pete: is in it. Yeah,

Cris: he's the, he's the producer as well.

Pete: Oh, is he? Who is Cube?

Cris: he wrote the script. Yes. He

Pete: quite young when when

Cris: Yes, he wrote the script for Boyz n the

Pete: Wow, I didn't know that but it's it's about so it's centered around Cuba getting Junior's character who gets it.

I think Larry. If, if I may call him that it's like he's his dad

Reegs: you, may not.

Pete: and when he, Oh, sorry, I'll call him Lawrence then. Or Mr. Fishburn to me he gets sent to go and live with his dad in the hood. Who's like a preacher or something like that. Just to kind of, I don't know, why would you send your kid by his mom?

Who's worried about him sends him to go and live with his dad in the hood, but he ends up getting involved in like gang related goings on. And there's some some of them get killed. Someone's called Cube's character?

Cris: think so,

Reegs: quite drive by

Pete: Yeah, it is this drive by. It's this, like, people who end up in wheelchairs because they've been shot and one of their friends gets killed.

It's a really good film and I can't remember much of the detail about it but it's a very, very good film. Although, boys

Reegs: And sort of treading similar territory is Minister Society as well. There's also gang stuff and that's a really good one as well.

yeah.

Dan: Well, the one that I was thinking about was, was Wanderers.

Sidey: was,

Dan: It was,

Reegs: Oh, has that got a really

synthy

Dan: yeah, yeah. And it does have a gang and it's it's a coming of age kind of drama. And it follows members of the Wanderers.

Reegs: Bolton, it's the Sam's team innit?

Dan: No.

Reegs: Sam's team,

Dan: And they, they kind of, you know, there's rivalry of other gangs and with his dad as well. There's some really kind of big scenes that his dad is like this huge alpha

Sidey: bigger than that, Dan.

Dan: he's bigger than that. You're right. And he, the music, the soundtrack is absolutely brilliant.

Sidey: Have you got it? Have you

Dan: I do. Yeah, yeah. And I'm vinyl because my record player is broken. And yeah, it's it's one of the, you know, more famous films from, from that kind of earlier. It was 1970s film. Yeah, it's probably a

Sidey: Back when you were in your 40s, something like

Dan: But yeah, back when I was just a young man.

Sidey: back to you, Chris.

Cris: Okay. As I said earlier, the movie, a prayer before dawn and is the gangs, the Thai gangs inside the prison that again, and this guy is, is as you can, as you can imagine the, all the movie being filmed inside the prison.

It's, it's a, it's an interesting yeah, it's an interesting take on, on life in

Reegs: It's

not a musical, is it? It's not one of

Cris: No, it's not a musical, no, but it's, it's, I, I think it's really good. I was thinking one, one day when we have, I don't know, something to do with more a violent topic,

Sidey: More violent than this week?

Pete: More violent than gangs.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. I mean, yeah,

Pete: You

Reegs: More violent than a woman being punched in the face by in our mid-week.

More violent than

Cris: she, she doesn't reply.

She doesn't

Reegs: she gave him a bit of lip, to be fair.

really that is why. Cut. Cut.

Sidey: That's

Pete: That's literally why he beats her, because

Sidey: She's too lippy, yeah.

Anyway,

Cris: Anyway, yeah, a prayer before dawn. I would say there's a gang in that. I can't really remember the name, it's a Thai name, so my Thai is not really on point these days, so that would be one of them, I think. Side?

Sidey: Well, I can't believe it's got this far, but a clockwork orange. We

Dan: Ah, the

Sidey: the pods and the drugs. I think we're probably the first one I actually thought of because they're so iconic in the film, but they've also crossed over into like a million music videos and people copying the outfits because there's such a distinctive look but they were certainly doing naughty criminal activity, mostly violently beating up tramps and raping people.

certainly,

you know, it's a no no.

Did you miss that week? I think I nominated it specifically for you and you weren't there. Yeah, it's really good. It is really good. That definitely without question has a synth based soundtrack because I had

Pete: And, any doo wop in there, or?

Sidey: Not that I recall, but you really, really should check it out.

Pete: I will at some point.

Sidey: It's very good. Very, very good.

Reegs: I don't know if I'm allowed to nominate another podcast, but Athletico Mintz is a recurring thing around gangbangers. You gotta fucking love him. And the Mafia, they're a gang, aren't

Pete: Yeah,

Sidey: yeah. I got good feathers.

Reegs: Yeah, and there's, you know, there's all that, but when

they're

Dan: all the godfathers

Reegs: all of them, yeah.

But when they're Hispanic, they're the cartel and the cartel feature heavily in a Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad, don't they? It's the Juarez cartel. I think the sort of first two or three seasons of Breaking Bad is about the rise and fall of Tuco Salamanca. And then we see in Better Call Saul, the history of many of those guys. So, yeah.

They, they when, yeah, that's them.

Sidey: I've not done better. Course sa and I just,

it's brilliant.

Yeah, I know he saying that, but I think 'cause

it's a lot of stuff.

I know it's a lot. It's bad levels.

Yeah. I need to do it. I just need to do it.

Reegs: Yeah. Stop making

Sidey: easy. Anything to put off Sandbags? Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. . Yeah.

Pete: Well, again, another sort of, you mentioned like Mafia cartel, so another sort of group of bloody nice blokes are your Neo Nazis, so I've got a couple of entries for that.

We've got the Disciples of Christ, anyone remember? We didn't review it for the pod, or did we?

Reegs: I don't know what film you're

Sidey: we didn't. It's hard

to keep track

Pete: No, it's from American History X.

Sidey: Oh, okay,

Pete: yeah, this is

Dan: Edward Norton.

Pete: Edward Norton,

and Edward Furlong is his younger brother.

Sidey: was in there. Jedward.

Reegs: yeah.

Dan: Edward Woodward,

Pete: So, yeah, a pretty hard hitting film with a real happy ending to it.

Sidey: Yeah

Pete: But, yeah, this is, so it centers around Edward Furlong and his older brother who's in this gang and... He's he eventually gets sent down for some like pretty horrific killings of some, some blackfellas, one involving a pavement.

Sidey: yeah,

Pete: Edward Norton went to prison for...

Sheeran

Edward, yeah, yeah, Ed Sheeran. And then he

Sidey: disowned by its director, Tony Kaye.

Pete: he's... Why's that?

Sidey: He I think studio, there was studio interference and so he he panned it. He took out an advert in the, like the New York times or something, panning it.

And you can't, he wanted, then he wanted to have his name taken off. And I think it's Alan Smithy is the anonymous, when you anonymize the film, there's, there's like a union thing that the, the name you put on would be Alice, but you cannot have said something negative about the film publicly. Otherwise, it still has to have your name attached to it.

So he took out this advert, panning it, and then wanted to have his name taken off the directing credit. And he wasn't allowed to. I think the film's f ing excellent. I don't know what his f ing beef

was. I don't know the difference between his cut and what the studio interfered with. I think it's a really good film.

Pete: is a

Dan: I think with, there was something with the editors. Yeah.

Cris: Oh, right. That is,

Pete: editors, that's quite good, that's quite good. The, the other group of neo Nazis that, that I thought of were from Romper Stomper. So, Russell, very

Sidey: I've never seen that

Pete: film. Have you not seen

Sidey: No. hitting, Yeah.

Pete: Pretty grim. But it's, yeah, it's, I think it's set in like Melbourne or something like that.

So it's a

Dan: Skinheads and yeah violence

Pete: Neo-Nazis

Sidey: I need a breather from that sort of stuff

Pete: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely

Dan: it's sunday morning viewing

Sidey: definitely after this week.

Pete: But yeah, there's some, some nasty pieces of work in that, that all get there, come up

Dan: I'll tell you a decent gang 90s remember That was,

Sidey: Fuck shit.

Dan: yeah, that was one of Howie's, Howie's choice soon after Brighton

Sidey: was his next one after Brighton, he totally redeemed

himself for that, yeah. Amazing,

Dan: it was still one of the, the movies that I will recommend when people talk to me about the podcast saying Midnight is brilliant.

And he made this little kind

Sidey: skinny he

Reegs: is. I don't, I feel he has asked people not to comment on his,

Sidey: but it...

Cris: But, well,

Sidey: Well, let's not comment on it then, but

Cris: Yeah, who cares anyway? If

Pete: listening, we're

Sidey: well, I just, I

Reegs: of Jenny Hill listening and going, Thank God Riggs respects me.

Sidey: Well, I know obviously there's, there's like the stuff that he said and then he's like, is he?

Oh, I don't

Reegs: I know,

Sidey: And then, but I watched that film and I just want to really like him, because it's, obviously he's really

Dan: He's

Reegs: it might be okay to feel conflicted about it,

Cris: Oh, I think he's a bellend. I'll

tell

Pete: what,

it's okay to like films that he's in.

Sidey: Yeah, and I still think I like him. I still think I just like him as well. I think you can

make

Cris: marry him then.

Pete: this is his film that he,

Sidey: But yeah, mostly.

Dan: Well, this is his film that he, he kind of almost autobiography is

Sidey: Yeah,

Reegs: Yeah, one of them.

Cris: them.

Dan: of them.

it's

one of them in it. No. And Skateboarders in the mid 90s, I think it was around that time.

Pete: time.

Reegs: of time period, yeah.

Sidey: about right. Yeah.

Dan: And the characters that he pulls out the nicknames they've got, what was one of them called? Fuck Shit. Fuck Shit and they would say that in front of like, their parents and

Reegs: He used to,

Dan: This is

Reegs: he would say after every trick.

Dan: Shit.

Sidey: wiener kid obviously was the main star. Like he was actually a really good skateboarder in real life and you'd see him do all that stuff. And then it ends, I think it ends with all the Fish Island stuff. Like from, we've all seen a million skate videos when we were young and that's, it's

Dan: when we were really as all the, all the skate footage, it was really sweet as well. And their little gang really kind of stuck together. And there was some tough times with their families and, and different kind of rivals and things.

Sidey: you see that one,

Dan: stuck together. It

Sidey: Have you seen that? Because you obviously weren't in the pod at that time.

Really good

Cris: 90s? Is that an actual movie? I thought he was just taking the

Dan: And, no, and directed by Jonah Hill.

Sidey: It is really

Cris: Is it a fairly recent one?

Dan: Yeah, it's around. I think,

Sidey: I mean, It can't be that old because it's Jonah Hill.

Cris: yeah,

Sidey: less than 10

Cris: No, but I just thought, would it be one of them that is like the Stutz, or is it one of them

Sidey: before that

Cris: it? Oh, right,

Dan: 2018.

Cris: Okay. Yeah. Okay. Fair

Sidey: It's Tremendous.

Cris: Is it okay? I've, I've not seen it, but if, if it sounds good, yeah, I'll, I'll,

Sidey: it's a strong

Cris: I'll give it a, I'll give it a go.

The last one I have on gangs is from a movie called The Iceman, which is based on a real story is Richard Kuklinski. If anyone's really interested in their serial killers, this is a guy that you really need to watch because there's about nine hours of real footage on YouTube. With the real guy talking about his childhood and how he's fucking mental and they made a movie after him and is it James Shannon or

Sidey: Michael Shannon

Cris: that he plays him and in the movie there's also Chris Evans and

Reegs: guy with the glasses

Cris: No, not the, not the Top Gear guy.

The other one, the American actor is yeah. Captain America, him.

Pete: I forgot Chris Evans did Top Gear for a season.

That's, that was horrible,

Cris: He's in it, Ray Liotta's in it and Ray Liotta plays one of the lead. Members of the Gambino crime family and it is his actions and his orders are given from the world famous Gemini lounge, which was one of the headquarters in the late eighties for the Gambino crime family where apparently there were orders for over 300 people to be murdered.

And the Iceman gets allegedly the Iceman gets his name because he in order to avoid police detection, he would

assassinate people and keep them in his basement in the freezer. And then he would just No, this is proven, he's, he admitted

Sidey: can't get sued for that one. No.

Cris: and he would then release the bodies in, so they would disappear for six months, and then they would find the body, but they wouldn't know the time of death.

Reegs: So we are worried that Jonah Hill and this serial

killer might be listening to the podcast

lawsuits Yeah.

Sidey: podcast, who knows it's him?

No, I was more worried about the crime family, maybe. Yeah. They're big podcast fans, as we know. Yeah, that's right,

Cris: We've got two, the podcast

Yeah, so

Sidey: Okay, cool. I quite like it when the gangs are the goodies and I know we're all big fans of the fast

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: so i'm thinking about Dominic Toretto's crew

Reegs: not really,

they're a family side. They're

Sidey: are family I can't do it in his voice but yeah, we're all

Pete: They are a family. Can't do it

Sidey: Disappointed with Fast X, I have to say, but it was one of those where you had, you know, a constant increase in quality until 9 where it just, it, you haven't seen 10 yet, have you?

Well, I'm interested to see what you

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: But they are I mean, definitely, definitely, they break a million laws, kill a million people but they are the goodies.

Dan: of them.

Still

Reegs: Oh. They

steal

Pete: they're turd,

Reegs: and stuff

Sidey: the bank vault is the one specifically where I'm thinking they probably killed like a hundred people like on the road when they're dragging that vault, just crushing cars everywhere, going into pavements and stuff, but they're the goodies. So it's fine. It's absolutely fine. And also brilliant, brilliant films.

I mean, just incredible.

Reegs: top notch.

Cris: And actors.

Dan: I don't know. Maybe some of them are, but you would have to kind of filter through. I have seen one or two of

Sidey: we did one for the

Dan: One was right. Yeah. Yeah. And

Sidey: I think you were,

Dan: was, okay.

Sidey: I'd say you were on the fence for that one. I would

say it

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: I would say the, the one of the best ones is Tokyo Drift. Love that.

And that's three. And to be fair though, to get better off that by still, I've really got soft sort with that one.

It's kind of terrible.

It's fucking terrible. but I do like it.

Dan: Talking of

terrible is when like kids from an East end like council. Get up find an alien

Reegs: Ah, Attack the Block.

Dan: Attack the plot I watched that not probably one of those films that I've watched late at night And I've forgotten to right now because I watched it this week for the first time

and Yeah, they they find this Alien and they

Sidey: Boyega,

Dan: Yeah, they they take it back and they ask a mate who is Nick Frost at the top of the the building to look after it and then all the other aliens go looking for it because it turns out it's the The, like, the female of the species and it's got the scent.

Reegs: Are there any gangs

Pete: species

Dan: Yeah, there's a

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: of youths that are going to then, yeah, that are going to then defend this because they think, oh, we've just killed an alien, it fucking, we took

Sidey: gang in the vlog as well. They're growing the weed, aren't they?

Yeah. Yeah. It's Joe, it's directed by Joe Cornish of Adam and Joe

Reegs: That's right.

Dan: vlog the and they, they kill the, the female and they think, oh right, but the males are like... 10 times the size and, and 30 times more angry.

Reegs: It's got quite a neat effect on the aliens.

They, at first, they're a little bit silly looking, but they've got these like weird spikes and then they're like, really black, aren't

Sidey: they?

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: they're sort

Sidey: It was, you know, not that memorable, but it was, it was decent enough. But the gang

Reegs: much.

after all right. I quite like this.

Dan: It was, it was okay. Yeah, it was, it was, you know, not that memorable, but it was, it was decent enough. But the gang were all tied together. Classic gang where you've all got the different personalities.

They're all good at a little bit of something. You've got a funny one, a frightened one, a brave one, and all the rest

Reegs: an older

one.

Dan: An older one. And yeah, half decent.

Reegs: Me? Who Gang of Four, can I have them?

Sidey: The band? Yeah. Yes?

Reegs: They're an English post punk band from the sort of 70s, early 80s, I guess, that I liked, and they did Amateur Rifle in The Manchurian Candidate, which is a tune, and At Home He's a Tourist was in the brilliant horror movie St. Maud, that I talked about on the... pod a few weeks ago. So that's just really cramming them in.

I'm going to try and put in the entire trope of the rise and fall of the gangster arc which served the basis of basically like American gangster and American made and the godfather trilogy and hustlers and Scarface. They're all about casino, the departed, they've all got gangsters in, the Irishman, and it's all about the fallout.

So I'm having that entire arc. Can I nominate that?

Sidey: Yes.

Reegs: And then if we're doing that, if we're allowing that, I want infiltrating a gang. I've gone...

Well, I was thinking more Frank Drebin.

Sidey: Yeah, hell of a shout.

Reegs: Naked Gun 33 and a third in the prison riots. He has to incite the prison riots. I think he ends up complaining about the shably being at room temperature.

Which is what gets them kicked off the most.

Pete: Donnie Brasco is a good film.

Sidey: squab gets the little kids. It is. Fugazi.

Pete: Fugazi, yeah. So I'll just, I'll just rattle off a few. I wanted to specifically reference, talking of aliens Dan, I wanted to specifically reference the Jamaican voodoo posse from Predator 2. Because I really, really like Predator

Reegs: Yeah,

Pete: And it's led by King Willy, who's got some great lines in it.

Reegs: I can't, I'm struggling to think of any, and there's, there are some really good ones.

Oh, we should revisit that.

Pete: Yeah.

The

Sidey: Okay.

Pete: spirit world man. But yeah, and plenty, plenty others. Also a film we covered in a midweek mentioned not that long ago, the Cash Money Brothers.

from New Jack

Sidey: Yeah, I got that one.

Yeah. with Wes, Yeah.

Pete: Ex presidents obviously from Point Break. They're a gang.

Sidey: Yeah, for sure.

Of course they are.

Pete: And just to troll you Reegs, the T Birds from

Sidey: Yeah, I had that one.

Pete: Yeah. they're, they're, they're enemies. Anyone know who their enemies are?

Sidey: The

Reegs: The

Scorpions.

was it? And there was the Pink

Pete: There are other pink ladies as well, yeah.

They, they, they weren't enemies. I think most of the T Birds are trying to fuck the pink

Reegs: Yeah, it was.

Sidey: Riggs, you did the gangster thing, but I also had Reservoir Dogs. Oh yeah, the gang. They're not

The gang. Isn't the Reservoir Dogs their name. They're unnamed.

We could maybe,

they're they're, just randomly selected, aren't they? By the

Pete: You did the

Sidey: that's... anonymous

Pete: the Colour Gang. They're

Sidey: But they have that kind of cool thing, even though they're like horrible criminals, they're walking down the street and it's a low emotion thing. And Riggs, you mentioned a band.

I've also got a band, the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club. Which is from the wild one. I don't actually I haven't seen that film. It's 1953. Dan was there when it was filmed but the black rubber motorcycle club are gang in it. Yeah, and I wanted to shoehorn a band in

Dan: so a band, yeah.

Sidey: Let's let's let's put five in because there's five of us here Yeah,

Dan: Well, I had city of God, just to mention as well.

Sidey: we could do it again

Dan: we could go again and

Reegs: Yeah, why not?

Bring

Dan: again? As my one that I would like to have put in, but you've

Pete: would like

Dan: I'm not going to.

Sidey: Okay.

Pete: Probably.

Dan: probably

Sidey: Pete, why don't you go? You started, so

Pete: Well, I'm doing a Reegs and I'm doing one that I haven't mentioned

Sidey: Oh,

Pete: because this is it like, and I know Reegs doesn't like Only Fools and Horses for some fucking bonkers reason. But if you can't lol at the Groovy Gang episode,

you have

Sidey: what a shout. What a shout, Rodney in

his

Pete: getting like a 20, like a late 20s, maybe even early 30s year old guy.

who's married, like, to,

Reegs: Pretending to be the kid

Pete: pretending to be a

Reegs: I do remember that, it's

quite

Pete: Boy puts his painting from when he was 12 into a, like a competition that wins them a holiday. Del Boy and Cassandra have to pretend to be his parents and he

Dan: He's got that baby face.

Pete: Gang and like, like just the bits where like he comes second in the skateboard competition.

Sidey: It backfires with the lotteries, doesn't it?

Pete: Yes, it does backfire with the lottery because he's underage and can't claim the winning

Dan: the groovy. The

Pete: I know! And he's so opposed to that, but like, it's like, and it's like, are you having a good time guys? And he has to go groovy! The groovy gang episode is

Sidey: What a shout. What a shout. Chris?

Reegs: very good.

Well,

Cris: Well, to be fair, I would've put City of God. But if Dan wants it, I can

Dan: I've got another.

Cris: we got, okay, I'll, I'll, that's,

Sidey: City of God, hell of a shout.

Dan: you. Well, that's the one I was going to have. Alright I'll have the

Sidey: Great soundtrack on that ooh, ooh, it's good. I'm gonna have to put in, it's kind of predictable, but I've got to put in Clockwork Orange, The Droogs.

Reegs: Yeah, I've got to put in The Warriors. Really predictable, but...

Dan: Okay, all five taken. Is there going to be a top six

Sidey: think we can have a top six if, if, oh, hang on a

Reegs: Oh, we haven't even talked about...

Sidey: have got...

Dan: We just taking all the

Reegs: to dump whatever

Dan put in so that we could put in what a listener put in.

Sidey: Let's have a little look. We'll go over to Twitter. Andy Jameson, he's pulling hard for Sons

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: of Anarchy. Seven seasons of just pure adrenaline, nail biting, and even tears. Honourable mention to Peaky Blinders. No one mentioned

Reegs: Oh yes,

Pete: that one.

I've never seen it

Reegs: I've never seen it.

Sidey: No, neither have

Cris: I've never seen it

Reegs: It's good.

Sidey: Ewan Campbell, he's mentioning Dead Rabbits.

York. Gangster New York. That's what we've had so far because basically we're like anonymous on Twitter now.

Fucking. piece of shit that it is. So there we go.

 

Sidey: We've mentioned before, Pete, that we've refined the cheese. And I think today we are at the Everest of cheese subscription.

Pete: Yeah, this is the pinnacle, like you say, the pinnacle of refinement.

Sidey: said, I said the Everest, but

Dan: He's right, he did.

Pete: we've reached the summit of of cheese. We've got, yeah, this is, this is a, just a turn out, a turn. Cheeseboard. There's, there's literally no passengers on this.

Dan: I'm spinning around because I'm closest. My, my nose isn't filled with, like, disgusting feet or

Sidey: get closer to that. Gogan

Pete: Yeah, we haven't. And, and we haven't got the, the, the two soft ones we haven't got on the go yet, which we, yeah, yeah, there's, there is more to come.

I'll start with the softies the I really like saying this, the Petit Tentation which is in the Rhone Alps that's where it's produced anyway. And yeah, it's, it's a, it's a creamy one, and ripened.

Dan: Creamy

Sidey: rind? Or is it,

Pete: it is, I think it's got a wash rind and No, no, no, it doesn't have,

Cris: No, you wash it yourself.

Pete: Yeah. It's not a, it's not a, a stinky, it's not a stinky one, but it's a very a very good soft cheese leor, which is a, about dad's favorite,

is about about

as good as it gets. It's got the three types of milk variety cows, goats, and ewes.

Sidey: We had an amusing incident earlier with the cure playing, didn't

Pete: Yeah. When it came out with

Sidey: ewe! Ewe! how we laughed.

Pete: Just as we'd said use.

So yeah, those two are a knockout and I'm a big fan of this Stilton. This is the Colston Bassett Stilton.

Which is someone mentioned before. Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's a protected cheese. That's how

Reegs: Well, it's like an endangered species.

Pete: yeah, yeah,

Sidey: very endangered in this room. 'cause it's, it's getting whittled down. It's

Reegs: hunted within an

inch

Pete: only now bred in captivity. And yeah, the the, the Gorgonzola Dolce,

Sidey: which there's a particularly ripe looking vein in it.

I can see from here. It's pulsing. Yeah.

Pete: it's pulsing and oozing. Yeah,

Dan: Okay. And, and you've got toast to go along with that, of course. There's two

Pete: types of toast,

Dan: don't waste that kind of.

Sidey: A and toast B.

Dan: Don't waste that kind of cheese on substandard crackers and

Reegs: next to it?

Dan: there's some walnuts.

Pete: walnuts because sides doing some like really wanky keto thing which you wouldn't catch me doing and It means that he can't eat the toast.

Cris: Yes, but gorgonzola dolce goes really well with walnuts.

Reegs: so what, you put the

Pete: Yeah, it does it even says it here Chris it goes with fresh juicy pears or with walnuts Yeah, and and we've got some red wine. We've got some port

Sidey: Yeah,

I'm excited for that. So we're gonna, we're just gonna muddle our way through this in double quick time

Pete: indeed. And we've got some local beers. We had some

Sidey: Yes, we foraged them.

Pete: Some stinky bay i p a and also a herm gold that was left over in my fridge.

Dan: been a night of riches, really, isn't it?

Pete: Absolutely. An embarrassment of riches. Yeah. Which talking of embarrassing.

Sidey: Well, yeah, that segues very nicely into this shit show that you've nominated for us, Pete, which is called, and we had a film a few weeks back that had a very forgettable name, and this one is right up there.

It's called I'm No Longer Here, but I can only tell you that because it's written down in front of me. If you asked me to tell you it without a prompt, it would be a real

Dan: I, I've forgotten already.

Reegs: I couldn't, I could not remember. I checked the group a hundred times to remember what movie we watched.

Dan: remember. What movie

Sidey: to remember. Let me, let me watch it. Yeah, it was a tricky one, but but the film was a lot more memorable than the title I have to say, so we'll get into it. Because this was a foreign language movie, and I think you mentioned to me when we were having sex or breakfast or one of the other things that you'd seen this before a few times.

Pete: I, I've seen the, the, I watched it again this week. This is probably about my fifth time of watching it, and it's, it, I think it's

Sidey: So that, that surprised me when I did start watching it and only because there's a very distinctive hairstyle and it's right up there in the poster for the film. Yeah. And we talked about

1. And it is, but, but, but what I'm, what I mean to say is that we had spoken about the hairstyle because you nominated early last week and we were able to talk about it. at least in the man cave after the pod last week and you Riggs were talking about his haircut and that's the only reason I knew I was watching the right film because when you had said that you'd seen it four or five times and you loved it and when it was a surprise to me because when I started watching I was like is this really the thing that Pete

is

Dan: like? It's like the Spanish Patterson.

Sidey: only because yeah but only because the hairstyle is like it can't be any other film because the haircut we'll get into it I mean you did say in the intro Riggs The haircut is so fucking distinctive.

Reegs: It's amazing. It's in incre. It is an incredible haircut to see. Let's try and describe it because it's, and it is

Sidey: Well, well, let's set the scene because it's a, it comes up with some text and it sets the scene and it's a gang of people, of youngsters that Turo

Pete: lost,

Turo.

Yeah.

Sidey: who are more than just fans of this particular style of music.

yeah. Colo. And so, That's their thing, the music's their thing, but they also have a distinctive look in that they're, like, hugely baggy, like, like Kevin Smith's shorts, baggies, like, stuff, but

Reegs: it's, it's sort of, a sort of black culture type

Sidey: but it has a kind of basketball y look.

Reegs: some

black people on the, and he's admiring their look, basically.

Sidey: like... Basketball shoes, really, really baggy shorts baggy tops, like a basketball kind of

Pete: Either shirts or basketball

Sidey: and kind of chains sort of

thing, like a bit of jewelry, but then you get to the hair, so the back of the head is shaved, but with a, like a

Reegs: Like a strap around

the back of the

Sidey: goes at the back of the ears.

down to where your hairline would be is shaved that line there like an inverse beard line like chin strap beard but at the back of your head then the back of the head is shaved up to the crown i

Reegs: of the head. Then the hair begins.

Dan: then

Sidey: the hair

Dan: like a short spike,

Sidey: the front is

like Bangs

like

Pete: yeah, yeah, yeah, harsh bangs,

Sidey: the Top the, the, the like crown then is like spiked up and died.

Yeah. But the sideburn like, kind of, that bit is

long, like extremely long and, and, but gelled so that it, it sticks all the way down to his

chin. the main guy has it.

Reegs: he saw a, a Jewish couple arguing in the, in the cafe and he had the,

Sidey: Yeah.

yeah, I did

Cris: Ultra orthodox.

Sidey: But he, there, he almost has it on his chin, like then

poking down off

Reegs: jelled,

Sidey: Yeah. Extreme gel.

Reegs: like, wink, like he looks like a bird.

Sidey: And he doesn't

Reegs: like wings coming down

Sidey: later on in the film, but because it's obviously important, he, he says, I haven't got my tools. He doesn't even say like comb or

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: tool, I need tools, like a toolkit to do it.

So that's the,

Dan: a little bit of blonde dye at the ends as well just to give it a bit of colour

Sidey: So when

Pete: Yeah, in case there wasn't enough going on.

Sidey: yeah, I'll do the, obviously the post for it. And the post will be the. For the film poster, you will see it, you know, and if you haven't seen the

Pete: you know,

Sidey: like

Reegs: an incredible

Sidey: be more distinctive if it tried. I don't know what else you could do to your hair to make it stand

out

Dan: you're talking top five haircuts

Sidey: It's right up there.

Dan: this

Reegs: we've done that. Well, I think we have. and it's a real shame.

Pete: think it's been done. What I can say is it takes you till about the fifth watch in order to become like desensitized to the initial

Sidey: of got desensitized to it throughout the film.

Pete: Oh right, yeah, what do you do, but it's still striking.

Sidey: His is like, what's his name? The main character,

UIs. That's it.

His is the most pronounced in the group. A lot of them have baseball caps balanced, just very carefully balanced on the top of their head. Which take the edge off the, yeah. 'cause I, I think they all have it died, don't they? The top bit is the only because they got very dark,

Reegs: Well, but, and also the movie is presented non linear, linearly, linearly, which is easy for me to say, and so you see the haircut in a state of disarray and it's hidden as well in the second scene in the movie when he's, when we jump to Queens, New York some other time, and he's in a hoodie and the, and the hair is hidden, he's, the opposite, basically, of his sort of strutting self. We haven't really talked about the music as well, which is a weird thing. It's this thing, Cumbia, right?

Which is a specific type of Colombian music, but they like to listen to it slowed down.

Cris: yeah.

Dan: Yes.

Sidey: Yeah. It was really niche. I mean, I cuz the description is there when you this this is a Netflix.

It's on Netflix and so it has a little thing and II did read the thing before I started and it's you know something happens in a gang who are obsessed by this. So I was kind of expecting like. Banging hip hop or something, and it's like accordions

Dan: Yeah. It's

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah

Sidey: it's very old school, kind of traditional, but with a more of a beat,

They,

play some of it and they're banging

Reegs: And there's a distinctive dance. And the reason we're talking about this is because a lot of the movie is like a long sequences of seeing the gang in the industrial wasteland. Looking at their clothes, looking at their haircuts, looking at the music, looking at them dance. There's a distinctive sort of almost like mating ritual dance that the guys do.

It's

Sidey: Yes,

Reegs: like a

Sidey: like birds of

Pete: Yeah,

like swooping,

Reegs: And you know, the girls do like a little thing where they shake their ass. It's like a whole

Sidey: It's not quite twerking, is it? But because there is some twerking later on.

Reegs: And he's a bit disapproving when he sees

Sidey: but at first, it's definitely the fellas are more flamboyant when they dance than is

Dan: Because I was thinking, oh, this is going to be like a minority group that they're representing and, you know, this is part of their culture and everything, but it's not, it's just kind of these, these people that have gravitated together, all living up in this same poverty stricken

Reegs: Well, they pick up that one kid, Sweatshirt.

Dan: Yeah, so, so that's it. That's kind of how the gangs are formed, isn't it? We see a member being added is a friend of somebody who hasn't really got anywhere to go. They go, Oh, what's your name? Sweatshirt, right? There you

Reegs: No, it's because he needed to go

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: He didn't have

Dan: Yeah, that's it. So he. Kind of got that nickname, but

Sidey: this is like extreme

Dan: Yeah.

and and danger

Pete: so, so I think it's, it's worth saying that. So there are other groups. Because there's all these, it seems to be like every night, every other night.

There's these like gatherings where. They, they, the Los Turcos go, and then there's other, there's other groups, and they all hold up banners, and then there's like a DJ who's giving shoutouts to all these different groups and everything, but I think the thing that, that sticks out from this is that it's kind of like alternative gangs, in the sense that where they live in Monterrey, like, you know, huge amounts of like poverty, but specifically crime, there's a lot of very kind of like dangerous gangs, and a lot of, you know, gang related crime going on.

Like, in and around, like, where they're living. It makes reference to, like, the main character, who he sees his brother is not there, but he's, he's in prison, seemingly. And then you see that he has interactions with this other gang, who are

Sidey: His brother started

that gang.

Yeah. He brother

Pete: started that gang, and these guys are more, kind of, like, overtly like, dangerous, and involved

Sidey: gang as you would

Pete: and everything, so...

It's, it's almost like these, these other gangs that are just going down this like culture of, of listening to music and having these looks and everything that they're channeling it all into, I guess, way more passive, like interests and so on as a way of kind of like escaping, not just like the poverty and, and, you know, having something to do, but also avoiding the actual sort of like the proper gang life that is going on right Right alongside them, yeah,

Sidey: they might,

Reegs: mean, the most sort of egregious thing they do is a sort of thing that will kick off the plot. Is that where there's like a local, there's a load of civil disobedience, isn't there? And they steal a, officers

Pete: Right, but that's, that's sort of

Sidey: bit before that where

Pete: in the plot, yeah.

Sidey: five pesos off a school kid and a guy

Reegs: the shakedown like,

Sidey: don't fucking do that.

This is basically saying this is our turf. You don't fucking, you don't misbehave on our fucking, he doesn't say that, but it's kind of like,

Pete: it's kind of like... I thought the implication

Reegs: when I thought the implication was that that was under, like, their protection, so you can't go and beg there, because they're

Dan: go and beg there because they're... Well, what it was, they'd gone in to buy a radio, hadn't they?

They wanted to buy... And they said, wow, look, this one, it's going to cost a thousand. We're going to get all the money though. So they start, right. We can't buy any

Sidey: no drugs. No booze, no

Dan: No booze, no drugs. We've got to save our money. And they start shaking down kids from the school when this other kind of new lot get on and go.

I would say it

Sidey: does, I would say it does take a little while.

There's a lot of scene setting and not a bad way, but there's a lot of like showing them dance and they really do because I have to say, I'm guessing probably none of us before we see this film would know anything about this culture. There's a very, very niche kind of subculture of music. I listened to a lot of music, never heard this before.

So they do take their time to explain it to you and show you that there's different.

I've seen it in other, like, hip hop stuff where you'd have a sound clash and it's much better to battle on the mic than it is to fucking shoot each other, right? So it's that kind of thing with these guys. They have a few scraps and whatever, but they're not bad,

Pete: Yeah. Well, well, I mean, so, so there, there's an important interaction with I need to remind myself of the name Los , which is the gr which is the gang that his brother started, where the, the guy who's now the head of that gang, they walk past them early on in the film, like one night.

And and, and obviously like Uli is like the leader of Lost Kos, but the, the other guy stops him and says, To him, he was like, you know, like, how's your family? You know? And he's like, remember, I remember what you know your brother did for us and that, and like, you know, if if ever you need anything, we'll look after you kind of thing.

So there's kind of like protection there. And then he poignantly says, I wish I had someone, someone like you growing up. He's like, look after these kids, I wish I had someone like you looking out for me when I was growing up. And then he kind of does the star sign to, to Los Turco

Reegs: And the star sign is because the five points in Monterey, right?

And it's the five gangs, sort of. There's this sense that the gangs that are

there are a part of a greater good, actually, for Monterey.

Pete: Yeah, absolutely.

It

Sidey: for

Pete: down

that path. Yeah. So it

does

Sidey: Monterey. Yep, absolutely.

Pete: Well, should we, should we deal with it like linearly then?

Cause it's easy enough to do because you can then get into the New York stuff and, and how and why he ends up getting into New York. So what

Reegs: it's only,

it is worth talking about just the sense that it is really dramatic because the scenes in Mexico are really vibrant

Pete: colourful, yeah, yeah.

Reegs: many perspectives, like often with like a split down the middle and some weird stuff going on with perspective and that sort of thing.

And the Queen shots where this other story that will come in chronologically later, much more drab. Yeah. He's in a much, his haircut is not as kempt as it was. He hides himself. He's very alone and alienated and you know, so it's like a real juxtaposition as you see this vibrant culture Yeah. And his alienation later.

So yeah, that's what the experience

of

Pete: culture, and it's alienation later, so yeah, that's what the experience was like.

Like

the two settings, but also him and his like behavior.

I mean, he's a bit of a star in, in his local that, I mean, there's, there's gatherings where they go to and there's girls that are coming up and asking to have his picture taken there. And he's doing like the, the star sign thing

Dan: Well, he's got the dance moves, hasn't he? Out of all the,

Pete: the moves. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: the dancing, it's, it's kind of like, the Brazilian Cabrera or something

Pete: Similar. Yeah.

Dan: You know, hip hop moves and, and all kinds of stuff really and all to this very traditional, as you say, like, you know, woodwind instrument kind of drum beating bell jangling

Sidey: where they they just have them in the street and he kind of got like a band of them and one's on the accordion, one's banging pots and pans, one's there's more cowbell, there's a wood

Pete: Okay, have you seen, one of them, so they're doing like, one of them's got like a jotter, and like, you know, the rings that go along the thing, and a fork. It's like a skiffle

Sidey: It's like a skiffle band.

Pete: band. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, it has got that, yeah, yeah.

But the thing that's kind of like sets the wheels in motion is they go to this, like these, these markets, these stalls, it reminded me of like, you know, like Camden market back in the day when it's like, you're going to get like tapes and stuff.

And like you go in there and there's like a fella and he's like pushing his like vibe on you. And I said, Oh, you know, like you want to get onto this. So this is like your stuff. So he's got all these like, you know, vinyl records and tapes and everything, but then he's got this mp3 player sat there, which is apparently like a compilation of everything that he's got in there, all the different types of Cumbia, like Argentinian and Colombian and everything.

And they're like, well, that's, that's what we want. That's the motherlode right there, but they don't have the money for it. And that's why they, they start sort of shaking down. I mean, they, they do it in a pretty passive way. It's just like they stop a kid coming out of the school and it's like, you know, hey, can you give us

But that's when you see this, like, first guy from the, this rival gang to Los Perlonas, like, Los F.

And he's like, listen, this is our patch, like, don't be doing that here. And the guy doesn't even look that old. Yeah.

Sidey: is really carrying... No, it's the first time we've seen that. I I think the implication was that they definitely would have been, and because he does say if you ever need any blah blah blah, so you're like, okay, these guys are way more sketchy than the lads. They don't explicitly show the gun,

Reegs: but,

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then there's, there's a

Sidey: guns and stuff. Yeah,

Pete: so...

Reegs: bit of

Pete: Take the opportunity to steal this, like, police radio, which then they take off back to their, kind of, like, this, like, building they keep going, so it's just, like, a disused, like, massive granite, like, skyscraper, almost, like, that, that, that's where they sit there, and then they style each other's hair, they play their music, they, like, Yeah, they do each other, they do each other's fingernails and stuff like that, but they

Reegs: their, their family. Yeah.

Pete: And so yeah, there's a, there's a lot more scenes of stuff like that that that goes on, but it's sort of moving through, moving through the plot.

Cris: I'm pretty sure the, because I've seen, I've not seen the whole movie, I'm pretty sure that the walkie talkie that they get is actually from one of the gang members rather than the police. And that's, that's

Pete: Well, it's, it's a, is a police radio that's presumably been

Cris: The only reason why I'm saying this is because when we get to the...

Seen later on when he goes to hand over the walkie talkie, that's the reason why he's being

Pete: yeah yeah

Cris: because that's why I assume that and you can see that it wasn't the police radio. It was

Pete: yeah, it's so it's what it's one of the gang

Cris: falls from someone's trousers or

Pete: yeah because then later that night he'd like turns on the the turns on the radio and Pranks the like loss F or whatever by like playing them something off of a radio station or whatever it is

Reegs: That's right. Yeah

Pete: Which then alerts Los F to the fact that they've got this radio and then Ulysses and one of the other guys, Jeremy I think his name is, they get picked up by Los F, they get bundled into the back of it yeah, and they, they kind of like,

Sidey: Intimidate them, don't they?

Just drive

Pete: like put a gun to their head like, you fuck around with us and like, you'll be dead kind of

Reegs: Bring him away and they're like, you guys get in the car. Cause the little kid tries to

Pete: get and and he pushes it. Pushes him away. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: like just the two eldest go so yeah.

And he's pretty stoic throughout that exchange. Right. I mean, he's pretty much wordless, but

Pete: you'd imagine this isn't the first time he's seen like a gun

Sidey: it's a rough,

Pete: it is a rough neighborhood.

His brother's involved in gang stuff, right? So, but then the next day, I think he, it looks like, so what he does is he's going down to see Los Palones, like the guys that he knows he's got this radio on him. And just as he comes around the corner,

Sidey: like meters

Pete: yeah, two guys on a, on a, on a scooter, like a moped just come, come past and just gunned down the, the, like the Polonez guys, like his brother's friend,

Sidey: a vicious drive by, and,

Reegs: then we

Sidey: incredibly well done.

Pete: yeah.

Reegs: shot for ages because it happens really quickly and he,

Sidey: he's just cowering,

he

Reegs: just misses it cowering

Dan: round the corner. Well he's, he's only a step or two away from being shot himself and he still could have been.

Sidey: thought it was,

Reegs: feel the signi that's what the

Sidey: It was incredibly well done. 'cause they just come around the corner and the way they're taken down is a couple of head shots because it's a, it's a fully automatic

Yeah, You know, garden

Pete: isn't it? Yeah.

Sidey: But it's like and one of the guys is, is wounded, probably fatally, but still able to, and he threatened, he says that your fucking, it's your

Pete: What he sees, he sees holding the radio and presumably recognizes it as like something that Los F would would have and just puts two and two together and assumes

Sidey: of you've called him

Pete: part of, he's maybe called in this like hit or whatever.

So that then sets the wheels in motion. He immediately like goes back home, says what's going to, you know, like this is likely to happen. Yeah. And it's like, right. We've got to get out of there. They go to like an uncle's place or

Dan: scene they're running down the stairs, aren't they?

Pete: Yeah. The whole family's now being moved out.

Dan: are running down... Keys... Yeah, out, out the house. I mean, they're

Sidey: and he gets, he gets the proper dressing down from the uncle or whoever they're gonna say is like, the only reason, you know, I'm doing this for your mom.

You can basically, you fuck off. Like, you know. Yeah. is

Pete: think the, the guy, the guy on the floor who's dying, actually, he says like,

Sidey: your whole family's

Pete: get, the fuck out of here.

Like, your family's gonna die, and all of this. So

Dan: But it's, it's a misunderstanding

Pete: Yeah. Wrong

Dan: Yeah, wrong place, wrong time. So, but.

It's written. They won't ask questions. There's no trial here. He will just be gunned down

Reegs: Yeah. So

Dan: So he's got to get out.

Reegs: he not before he gets the mp3 player from says goodbye to his friends.

It's the opening shot of the movie. Actually, he gathers the mp3 players and says goodbye to his friends because he's going to get in the back of her. That's why we're doing it chronologically, but it is, it's not, it's a completely different experience watching the movie,

Sidey: Yeah. We get some human

Dan: Yeah, he's smuggled through in a little kind of secret compartment at the bottom of a van which gets stopped and checked, but they sail through and he gets kind of dumped out in the middle of, was it New York, or

Sidey: just like drills and there's a little latch and he crawls out. Yeah.

Pete: So he immediately becomes, I think that like the suggestion is that like the uncle or whoever it was that the house that he went to with his mom where they're now living, like they've called in some favors. Obviously there's plenty of this stuff, human trafficking, like going on. So he like hooks him up with some light.

You know, Spanish speaking laborers in, in Queens. He's clearly not done a, you know, great deal of laboring in his life before. But then this is where, and it's, it's more stark in, in the contrast when you, when you're watching the film, you know, in, in the way it's meant to be, like. Viewed that like, just this fish out of water thing.

So he's gone from being this kind of like, almost like local celebrity and, and, you know, he's got a load of like contacts and respect and people look up

Reegs: Well, now he's, now he's living like with like a load of other guys on a sofa. They're coming back, listening to music, you know, four o'clock in the morning. It's not his vibe.

They're

really alienating

Pete: that they look at him and his style and everything. Cause he's still, at first he's got like the cap on, but you can still see the hair

Sidey: the

Pete: out. And they just keep peppering for his hair. Looks like he's got a chicken on his head, was one of the things that they say.

You get like that fun, like interesting scene where the guy's walking along, a photographer, and he's like, sees him, and is like, Oh, wow, man, can I take some pictures of

Reegs: some pictures

Pete: Takes his photo, like, asks, but like, you know, he's speaking to him in English, and they're like, Oh, you know, you're wasting your time, he doesn't speak your language, he doesn't speak English at all.

So and that's the only real kind of like recognition that he gets at any point for for his quirky look or whatever But the rest of the time he's just getting kind of like panned by by these guys that he's he's been working with they go to a bar one night and there's a colombian lady or like i'm guessing a lady of the night She looks like a like a bit of an old school prostitute or whatever they and they It seems like they've paid her to like have a drink with him.

I don't know if they're like

Sidey: Literally the worst doorman in the

Pete: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Sidey: no, you can't come in, and and then he, he like...

he just gives up after

Pete: goes, Oh, yeah, yeah,

Sidey: about 10 seconds. Someone more

Reegs: That was the problem, wasn't it? It was just like, some other

Sidey: He's like, okay, you go in because I've got to deal with this guy.

And then later on when he's like, no, you're like, it's only him, you're fired. And he's like, oh, I'll just get like, what? Does it again. He's like, this guy's terrible at his job.

Pete: yeah.

But he kind of rather than I think the setup is meant to be that he's he's going to have sex with this woman or something, but he ends up sitting down and talking to her and they're talking. He's saying, oh, this shitty music like. She's like, what do you like? Oh, he asked, what, what does she like? And she lists a couple of like different, you know, type of Colombian like artists or whatever.

And he's like, Oh, I like them. I've got them. And then he puts it in her ear and she's like, well, I think your batteries are going cause it's slowed down. Like, and he's like, no, that's how it's meant to be. If you, if it, if it's slowed down, then it lasts longer. You get to enjoy it for longer or something.

Reegs: think he might have been talking about sex there.

Pete: He might have been there was like a little metaphor in there.

Dan: Not sure, I think

he was just talking about the music. I think he was just that well into it.

And it was a really very niche thing, isn't it? You know, not just an obscure band, but now he's talking to her about slowing it down. But when you see him dance, you get it.

Sidey: she's Like,

yeah, thanks for the beer, now fuck

Pete: Yeah, yeah, that's it. So they go, they, they do. There's a party back. I think he's already sleeping and then like these guys, these laborer guys that he's living with, like they come back, they bring some girls back, they're putting some tunes on and it's just like, you know, bang average like house music or something and then they say to him like oh you're not gonna drink you know do you not like this music you know you're not going to dance and everything he's like not to this shit they encourage him to put his

Sidey: He puts it

Pete: He puts it on and then like just goes in almost like theatrical mode and just kind of like starts spinning around and thing But then like the chicks are into it There's a couple of girls that are kind of like fucking you know They're they're like dancing with him and then ball bag like just goes up.

No, that's shit It's like get it off or whatever and then there's like a bit of a set to isn't there? where again, you know, I mean he's

Okay, they're in Queens. I'm sure there's probably, they've seen plenty of action in and around there, but he get like the guy threatens him and he just kind of like shows physically that he's not frightened of him.

Mugs him off, calls him a load of names, like knocks over like a clothes rack that's in there and then then.

heads out the door, but then he obviously finds, you know, hears that they're coming after him, makes a dashroom, thinks he's got a wave. I think he's like asleep on like a train.

He's like a, a bench in like a railway station. And then as he comes round or whatever,

Cris: No, he's watching that guy with a guitar.

Pete: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the guy comes over, like, these guys come over and

Cris: Grab

Pete: grab him and like, you don't see him getting filled in, but the next thing you just see him getting on like train stations

Sidey: battered. Yeah.

Pete: One thing that we. Like didn't mention is previously one of the jobs that the labor guys has been with this like Chinese shop owner who just wants some stuff clearing from his roof And I think when they're originally they're saying oh, that's like three weeks work or whatever the guy the Chinese guy's like No, thank you or whatever.

He barely speak. Well, he doesn't speak any spanish doesn't speak phenomenal english either and so there's a language barrier there, but he goes back to that place and and even though he's like because now he's he's alone he's got nowhere to stay he's been beaten up he needs some money he goes to the to that place and was like oh do you still need that job doing so i'll do it for you

Reegs: And the Chinese granddaughter of

Pete: lynn yeah yeah

Reegs: She's maybe.

Dan: yeah. She's around

Pete: She is 17.

She is. She's 16 because she writes it on his hand.

Sidey: Yeah,

Reegs: oh that's right.

Sidey: she's sixteen, he's seventeen. There's

Pete: Yeah.

Reegs: straight away a sort of connection,

Pete: She's really curious about him. And I think that it's basically she's like this drawer is parallels drawn because she seems like a bit of a misfit, like a sort of a social misfit as well.

Sidey: country to another. Yeah, and she, when, when she gets invited, she's like, Oh, we've been, I've been invited to the party. You know, you can come in. So she's, she hasn't fit in, in her area, you know, and so they're talking and she's using her friend as like an interpreter and he's like.

He doesn't want to be there. It's like fish, you know, like I'm right in the middle of this shit. I don't need to, I don't need this in my life. And, and he's obviously like looking at his hair and whatever, going like this guy's fucking weird, like sleeping in

Pete: it's annoying that scene. 'cause he's not lit, he's not properly translating what the guy's

Sidey: doing it Right.

Pete: Yeah. And it's sort

Reegs: doing

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: right.

Sidey: But she, you're right, there's, she is a very, there's, she's clearly interested in him, in whatever way, I don't know.

Reegs: him, in whatever way, I don't know.

Pete: Yeah, he, he uses this word like verga, which I don't know if that's a common Spanish word or whatever,

Sidey: it means goril.

Pete: yeah, it does mean girl, but it's, it's obviously like a word that means like cool or that's good or whatever, but you don't overuse it, but she's like overusing it and using it out of

Sidey: He chastises her for

overusing

Pete: he keeps trying to sort of explain to her, but there's, you know, there's another scene where they go to the library and he's showing. First of all like footage of him when he's like really young like he's only like two or three not

Sidey: got, he's got like the proper like bandana, he's like a

Pete: Yeah, like as a little kid and then shows like more footage of like

Dan: They're having a connection, aren't they? You know, they're... And he's dossing by sleeping in this top roof building because he's, as in... Got anywhere to stay now. And the, the room that he was painting, he's, he's got a mattress down there at one point. She comes back in the evening and he, he seems to just be a little bit pissed off that she's there, doesn't he?

He's, he's had a long day of it.

Pete: Well this is where he comes up with the idea of effectively busking. So he's gonna go out and he's

Dan: these unrealistic. Kind of expectations of how it's going to be

Sidey: I know how it makes some money. I've got a deal. I'll,

Dan: Yeah, i'll go out and do that

Pete: he's bought a speaker from like a porn shop. You know, with the money he got from doing the job. And he like puts it down. First of all he gets that like crazy dude like

Reegs: I was about to say, he's immediately scared off by a crazy homeless

Pete: Yeah, and he, one of the things he says is that he can't do it alone because he can't kind of like watch his shit and dance at the same time, he almost like needs someone else to be there, and then there's another scene where he's doing it and he's getting a bit of a crowd and some guy walks over and puts like a wad of dollars like in his hat.

And then the policeman, like, comes over and is like, Ah, can I see, you know, you got your

Reegs: trying to help

him.

Pete: trying to help

Sidey: He literally says, cause he

Pete: Just call this number,

Sidey: he shouts, fuck off.

Pete: Yeah, yeah,

Sidey: guy's like, no, no, no. It literally just need to phone 311. It tells him the number. He just runs. He's like, no.

Reegs: Yeah.

Pete: So then, that's why he's tired and pissed off that night. And Lynn comes in and... You know, she's she's doing that thing which we've probably all seen at some point where like, you know, like maybe a guy does it with a girl or a girl does it with a guy where they take interest in somebody else. And then before you know it within like she started like dressing like him and and trying to use the words he uses and everything like

Sidey: that.

She's died.

Pete: She's Yeah,

Sidey: died with the

Pete: died. Well, he he he's like

Sidey: see the foils then, don't he?

Pete: Yeah.

Reegs: That's when he says he needs his tools, because do

Pete: And he's yeah, she's she's trying too hard, I think. But then After the after that night, he's like, listen, there's like an awkward conversation with the dictionary and everything. And it's like, you know, let me sleep.

Sidey: He's like, I'll catch you

tomorrow, you know.

Pete: gets the message, but then she wakes him up with this news that We've been invited to this party and yeah, they, they go to the party, she's like super excited. And then you just see over the course of like, you know, it must be like really? I mean, I dunno if we've, I mean, you've been plenty of like foreign countries, Dan, maybe by yourself where there's no one speaking the same language and you like, it's, it's a really like isolating kind of experience where you are like, you dunno what the fuck anyone's really talking about.

Sidey: Well, they're all talking about him.

Pete: Yeah, but he doesn't, he doesn't know that. Yeah.

Sidey: he's like the sub and he's just, he just can't get on with any other kind of music. So he's, he's there on his, not on his own. He's with her, but he's kind of on his own, like you say, because he's isolated by the language barrier. He can't get on with the music.

And so he's just like,

Dan: It's almost like unpatriotic to like any other music, he doesn't want to give it a go, he's just like,

Reegs: at the core of his

identity,

Pete: just like, It's almost like unpatriotic to like any other music, he doesn't want

to and

it's just completely like, like, you know, it's, it's such a, you know, it's not something that any of us are familiar with, or we've seen anywhere before and no one else has seen it in this, you know, in, in Queens, certainly.

Sidey: So he just, he just fucks the party off.

Pete: Yeah. So he get, he gets like super, like pissed. He's like spitting beer at the mirror when he goes for a slash and everything. And yeah, he, he ends up trying to reconnect with the, with the Columbia woman. 'cause I guess it's like the, the only thing, like, the only like interaction that he's had where someone has maybe there, there's, there's even like a little moment at the party where like, Lynn's now like trying to twerk with a girl.

It's almost like. She's moved on to like, Oh, that's cool. What you're doing on a latch onto that now. And he's just like, you know, so he goes and reconnects with this like Colombian woman and eventually like she takes pity on him and gets back. And at first I thought, cause she goes, Oh, let me go and sort myself out.

I

Sidey: thought they were gonna fuck yeah.

Pete: I thought that they were going to fuck as well, but he pretty much just like pass it, puts his music on and then passes out on the chair.

Sidey: Well he they do that in the diner, don't they? They go, they go for food and he's falling asleep. As she's talking to him, she's like, for fuck sake,

I've got, I've gotta deal with

this.

Dan: she says, look, one night and that's

Sidey: that's it, Yeah, she and and she kind of like looks up to the heavens and and says, don't don't forget, you know, I've done this, you know, done this good thing. And then the next day, she's like hoofs him back out on the street. He says, don't fucking contact me again and don't come and find me at work.

Reegs: Was there a, there was a baby crying or something in the background of that Yeah.

Pete: So,

yeah, she kicks him out the next morning, and now he's, he's broke, he's got nowhere to go. And before he cuts his hair, he goes to the, the hardware shop and gets some glue.

Reegs: Yeah,

that's

Sidey: right.

Pete: Yeah, and then he's just like, huffing a bit of glue as he's walking down the street, obviously contemplating, like, his next move, what he's gonna do.

He's got some scissors as well, from the hardware

Reegs: a clear head.

Pete: Yeah, yeah, on, on the Yoohoo. So yeah,

Sidey: He's he's also he's quite a few shots of them at internet cafes and whatever and he's looking at I guess it's MySpace or something.

Reegs: It's,

Sidey: Or some sort

Reegs: it was that travel one.

Sidey: some sort of chat room or whatever. And there's messages like, Oh, you haven't been in touch and blah, blah.

And he's looking at pictures of the old gang and some of them are now fully tooled up there's photos of them. They're, they're, they're like, I guess, like profile pictures, just like guns and skulls. And one of the younger ones from the old crew is now like fully militarized. It's like.

a fucking night.

Pete: F. I think he's

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. But he's like, got a fucking AK and he's like fully ganged up and he's ah, fucking hell yeah,

Pete: So he, he, he starts the, the journey back or he

Sidey: he does, but he does cut his hair.

Pete: He cuts his, cuts his hair, like, which is very

Reegs: How does he, he sort of gets himself deported back, but I

Pete: Well no, he, he, he, he gets on a couple of buses and ends up outside a bus station somewhere and he's just fucked sleeping on the stairs and the police just come along and he's obviously he's just a vagrant and I guess when they put him in they do some checks on him they know that he, he,

Sidey: They show the police in quite a sympathetic way, I thought, in

Pete: Yeah, yeah, throughout.

Sidey: quite often quite heavy handed, but this, they're quite helpful.

Pete: Yeah, well, I mean, he does a bit of bird first of all, so they don't let him off scot free, but he they obviously find out he's in the country illegally and and he spends some time in prison and then just goes in this like soulless room where there's like a kid on a little tricycle and everything and they're all just waiting to get deported back to Mexico.

Sidey: Just call his name

Pete: Yeah, I don't think that's, that's in Mexico when he, when he arrives, but he does the, the journey back the way in the

Sidey: Yeah,

Reegs: that's the bit where they just, you're literally down to just a number at that point.

They're just reading out a list of numbers, you know, nothing anymore.

Sidey: Yeah. but it does, it goes back One of the guys is like a born again,

Pete: He watches him do like a

Sidey: yeah, he watches him through the, through like a gate, like through the bars and watches him do a rhyme.

And I think he's quite, he's, he's quite impressed, even though it's not necessarily his musical, but he's like, you know, it's better that, better that than being a fucking gang, you know. And

Pete: Yeah, and the guy says, offers him, he's like, listen, this, this is my, where I live now. This is my community. And like, you're welcome here anytime. He's like, no, I'm, I'm all right. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Pete: And then, yeah, like he realized he goes to the funeral of, of that, the, the one that's been sort of like, you know, indoctrinated into last F he's obviously been killed.

And they, you know, they're, they're, it's like a, quite a serene sort of, like, funeral setting until, until all the, like, the gang members

Sidey: Yeah.

Pete: like, fucking firing, you know.

Yeah,

they're doing their desk pops. And they're just a couple of like, you know, really kind of like sad but poignant scenes, like one where he's just kind of like sat on those like concrete stairs that go up to the building and he's just kind of like sat there now wearing, you know, it's, it's, they're baggy clothes, but they're, they're more kind of like conservative clothing.

He's just got like a, you know, a bad haircut now, like, well, yeah, just like a bowl sort of haircut. This like piss head just offers him some beer and he's like, nah, I'm all right. And then it just. Goes to like the final scene which him just kind of like stood on this like concrete slab like overlooking the

Reegs: on the roof of something, isn't he?

And

Sidey: Well, there's, I think it's the building that they all used to hang out on, wasn't it?

And then there's just like a million police cars and sirens going off into the distance. He's just watching it from far, so he's out of it. Yeah. But he's still kind of isolated on his own.

Pete: Yeah. And then it's again, like poignantly the MP3 player finally like gives up and not runs out of battery but like just runs it, it just fucking wears down and That's kind of like the, the, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Cris: Is that how it ends?

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: So, so he doesn't die, he doesn't kill anyone, he just goes back, and that's it?

Right, okay. I, I, as I said, I didn't see the end, but, alright, okay.

Sidey: So, he's kind of out of it. yeah.

But I don't know.

Dan: But I don't know. Well, Pete's

Reegs: Well

he's,

Dan: five times you've seen this film. Yeah. And what, what draws you back to it?

Pete: Yeah. I mean, obviously like vi like the, the first, the first

Cris: the hair

Pete: the, the first one or two times I watched it was just absolutely captivated by like, like the, the music, the style, the look, the, the, the vibrancy of the, like the, the culture in, in Monterey and, and, and everything.

Just that more than anything really, like the, the, the, the New York stuff never really kind of like

did a huge amount for me

Sidey: Yeah, I think that's stylistic choice to make it like

Pete: Exactly. It was just, it was like part of the story and, and yeah, okay. I, you know, like you, Chris, I think the first time I was watching, I was thinking like this is going somewhere.

It's got like a I mean, it's nothing like, what do you call it, like city of God or anything, but like that kind of vibe to it. And I'm thinking like, oh, this is gonna take him this way or the other way and it's gonna finish and culminate in something either great or devastating or whatever it may be.

Reegs: But I do think because of the way it is presented. Like, and the way that we've talked about, we're not really getting over the fact that it is often quite a long meandering movie that, you know, takes its time in a lot of places. And, you know, the narrative does wander a bit when you're watching it when we've packaged it up nicely to it.

Yeah. To tell it like that, but while the experience of watching it I am really surprised that you have seen this like four or five times because spanish patterson is like the great explanation here because

Sidey: Well, the synopsis on Netflix says you know, a, a horrendous misunderstanding takes place with this you know, gang who are obsessed with me, right?

So, Like you say, exactly like that, it does absolutely deliberately take its time. And so I knew that there was some misunderstanding that was going to happen, but you're getting to like half an hour, 40 minutes in and you're like. Have I have I missed it? Like when is it going to happen? And it does and I'm not saying that in a bad way but it it absolutely you know the the stylistic directorial choice is to make it it it does take a time to set the scene and I have to say all the music stuff and all that exploring that culture side.

I really really like that I didn't love it, obviously, as much as Pete loves it, just because it, it kind of felt, I don't know, maybe this is unfair, but it kind of felt a bit inconsequential at the end, because there are consequences, you know, a lot of stuff does happen aside from the musical elements to it, I felt a little bit like I could take or leave it,

but I did, I would say that I did enjoy it.

I did really enjoy it.

Reegs: it. The struggle for identity is like a

really

Pete: it. I did really enjoy it. The struggle for identity is like a really blatant thing.

And what it kind of like the, the film portrays is that because of where he's

Sidey: from, What else has he got? What, what

choices he have

Pete: and, and ultimately where he's from and, and like his, his opportunities and everything, like the, the, the, the, the place that he's from takes that away from it as well, because, you know, he, he just happened to be walking down the wrong street at the wrong time and yeah, all the, the queen stuff and everything took him like a long way from it, but that's where he then almost like, recognizes like the futility of what it is that he's, you know, who it is that he's trying to be and everything because he doesn't come back and immediately start like spiking his hair up and trying to get the band back together or anything.

It's like he's realized like the, the harsh like reality of, of life is the. You know, that's, that's fancy. That's kind of like fantasy that he was trying to exist in and where he's from and, and, and everything is, is ultimately always going to take it away from him. And that, that's what,

Sidey: but no one else but no one else In that area where he was from who wasn't living in the back was doing any better anyway No, so you might as well have the fantasy.

Pete: yeah, yeah.

Sidey: enjoy that and I

Pete: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can see, I can see where, I know, I know that there's probably an element of trolling, but I can see where like, like the Patterson thing is, is brought into it, but like, this for me, so, I'm not saying that Patterson couldn't have been a really good film. It just wasn't a really good film, you know, because the subject matter was bollocks anyway, because let's, let's face

Reegs: I,

I, Marge, I preferred Patterson to this, but I did like this. All the

Pete: all the Cumbia shit is like far cooler than poetry, which is ultimately fucking totally wank.

Sidey: But,

not,

Pete: literally nothing happens in Patterson, absolutely nothing happens in Patterson,

Reegs: they're very thematically connected,

Pete: thematically, yeah, but I think that this is like, this is, A really good example of how you can take a similar kind of, like, theme and at least do something more with it rather than just have absolutely, just literally drive a bus around a

Sidey: Yeah. But like X doesn't have to better than y, they just do

Pete: Well in this case, X

Sidey: definitely

Pete: better than Y. Who's

Sidey: who's gonna be the first wants

Reegs: than Y.

Dan: I'm, I'm not far off. I'm, you know, a couple

Sidey: I can't, I couldn't grow it long like he does down the side of his face. Yeah.

It just doesn't, I couldn't do that. No, I couldn't, with without attitude at all. No. But I, I, like I could do the back bit for

Pete: there, for

Reegs: We could do it for you tonight,

to

Dan: like the, the Ronaldo, but they just kind of remember him in the

Sidey: Yeah, yeah. With

the triangle. Yeah.

yeah, yeah, yeah.

did

Pete: they, another short workout.

Dan: I, I

struggle to believe you've seen this four times. I must say

Cris: Or anyone. I

Dan: watch it once. It was it was okay. It was one of those films that I liked the dance and there was scenes in it that I liked, but the whole film from start to end, it. It wasn't one that I particularly followed with with great relish or excitement or thought of what's going to happen next.

I know you say there's a little bit that happened along in this, but, and there was, you know, there, there was good performances. The haircut was fantastic, of course.

Sidey: all non actors. But real

Dan: Yeah, right. Okay.

Reegs: any of

Dan: And I, I wouldn't have you know, blamed any of the performances and things it, it

Sidey: Oh, we're throwing blame around

Dan: Yeah, no, it's no, I, you know,

Sidey: it

Pete: wouldn't

Dan: just didn't, it, I think for me it just didn't work for me,

Reegs: What was the name of the movie? Nobody look at their notes. What was the name of the movie?

Cris: I'm Not Even

Reegs: I'm never here. I'm, I'm

no longer here.

Cris: Longer Here, yeah.

Pete: Yeah.

Dan: and, it was just... I don't know, I didn't really connect with it, you know, I know you have there is

Reegs: it's a slow burner. This

Dan: is a slow burner. But

I

I, just didn't really, as I say, he came back. I thought there might have been something that happened a little bit more in America and I

Sidey: I, I totally agree with you. That it, you know, it, it, to me it was like a slow burn. It was deliberate, like, it seemed like a deliberate choice make.

So, but I really enjoyed learning about this, like really like niche subculture of music that I,

Dan: That was the interesting

Sidey: vibe with that. I did

Dan: had that

Sidey: that. And I like the idea of, of people. You know, connecting and finding the identity within a group and, and having like dance offs or, you know,

Dan: There's that brilliant scene where they all dance, you know, it is on for about five minutes and they're just kind of dancing. The camera's just there in front across the street, and you see them all slowly building up into it.

I mean,

Reegs: there's loads of other interesting shit as well, because a lot of it is about cultural appropriation. You see all different cultures being appropriated by all different cultures in the movie. And you know, the themes of alienation and hope and despair and

Sidey: Strong recommend.

Pete: hope and despair and all that stuff.

Dan: No.

Sidey: Ha ha ha!

Dan: Go see Patterson.

Sidey: than Patterson. Let's not end on that because we'll never agree on that.

Strong recommend.

pete, when you nominate a kid's thing, it's quite often a nostalgia vibe, and that's no different this week, because we're doing Wacky Races.

Reegs: you could actually be helping us out, because you've got, your kids are younger than ours now, so you could be bringing some new shit to the table that they're

Pete: No,

no, because it's all bollocks, so I'd rather...

Reegs: of the show, though! That's the fucking point of the show!

Pete: Yeah, but we've done hundreds of episodes and like there's nothing new that is not something that we've already done

Reegs: Get out of town, surely.

Dan: something new every week.

Sidey: Oh, there's plenty more talking animal stuff. Yeah. And horse

Dan: Wow.

Sidey: notate. Yeah,

Pete: like a load of cow shit,

Sidey: Anyway.

Reegs: your youngest in front of the telly, put something new on, and then we can do it for

Pete: what, what I did have to do is, is find something that tied in with the gang theme and obviously the Wacky Races features. The, the Ant Hill Mob, who are very much a gang, so I needed to get some

Dan: Who, who win this race, spoiler.

Reegs: No they don't, they come second, the Ant Hill Mob. It's the Creepy Coupé comes first, because they were barely... I don't think

Dan: Okay, so now you've actually spoiled the, the non spoiler.

Sidey: A friend of mine, Andy when he was at university, they used to bet they used to watch wack races and bet on who was gonna win . Yeah. Which is pretty cool.

Pete: ha ha! Well, a safe bet for who's not gonna win...

Is Dick, Dick

Dan: Well, this

Sidey: Did he ever win one?

Pete: No.

Dan: Rancine.

Reegs: never won one. Is that, you, is that a canon? We know

Pete: Didn't, didn't even come in the top three.

Reegs: Oh.

He

Pete: once,

Sidey: I've got a grid of all the results in all the episodes and who won and who didn't. I'm not going to read

Reegs: Who got the most wins?

Sidey: was going to do a pivot table of all that sort of stuff. I just couldn't be bothered.

Dan: Lazy. Four

Pete: Who got the most amount of wins. Joint first. With four.

Reegs: Teams?

So does that rule out Peter Perfect and Penelope Pitstop and Professor Patton pending?

Pete: No, because the Penelope Pitstop's car was the compact pussycat, and she's obviously an individual, but I was yeah, I'm calling it

Cris: team, is that

Pete: some of the, could be one person, could be like the Ant

Reegs: You don't see him

doing maintenance

Sidey: Slag Brothers.

Pete: Yeah.

Dan: The

Slag

Reegs: The Slag Brothers.

Yeah. they

say like UGA booga, which I couldn't work out if that was racist or not.

Pete: No, only, it's now, you've made it racist

Sidey: They were called the Slag

Reegs: No, because they were making, you know, being derogatory about cavemen.

Sidey: One of the

Dinobots

was called Slag as well. If you want another cartoon,

Reegs: Yeah,

Pete: Great animation style.

Sidey: Yeah.

it.

Great animation style.

Dan: and and for those that don't know what we're talking about the wacky races was a wacky race of automobiles from one side of a place to another

Reegs: based on a movie, Dan. The Great Race. Jack Lemmon movie, which

Dan: The cartoon was based on the movie

Reegs: the concept was basically based on it, yeah.

Pete: Yeah,

Sidey: So what came first, Chase the Pigeon or...

Pete: Yeah, that was a spin off.

Sidey: Of this?

Pete: the

Reegs: What did yeah, Chase the Pigeon.

Dan: Catch the Pigeon. Nab him, grab him, catch that pigeon, now!

Sidey: There's a guy

that I see, this is unkind, but there's a guy that I cycle past every morning on the way to work who is, let's just say, neurodiverse, and he, like, walks along making all the noises that that guy in Catch the Pigeon does.

Pete: Oh, the...

Sidey: Yeah, he sort of does that as he walks along, and I was thinking, he's fucking happy, is Larry that guy over there? Like, he's loving life. Yeah.

Pete: Yep. So yeah, we've got, we've got some teams. And we get, we, we don't really need to talk about the episode a great deal because.

Reegs: Well, we start off with the Arkansas Chugger Bug in the lead, pete.

Dan: Yeah. There's all kinds of,

Sidey: They

I'm sure they have, there's, I'm sure at some point they have a different vehicle, or it at least has a different name.

Reegs: Well, we see it get ruined in this one, because the stove goes... It's powered by a stove.

Sidey: I was thinking of the Ant Hill Mob, sorry.

Reegs: Yeah, no. Theirs is... The Ant Hill Mob is... They're in a hearse? Are

Cris: I think it's more like a limousine. That looks like a hearse, but

Pete: It's called the bulletproof bomb, their car.

Reegs: And when they want to accelerate at top speed, they pop their legs out the bottom and run

Sidey: It seems like it would be the other way around, doesn't

it?

Cris: Yeah, Flintstone style.

Pete: definitely not going to make them go faster.

Reegs: And, you know, a few that you want to talk about, Professor Patton Pending, he's normally, it's like His thing I remember was like he, he,

Sidey: it's the converter

Reegs: boat that looked like a car and it would like go up on stilts or something, or

Pete: There's a lot of incredible technology in

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: a, I have a robotic arm come out in this episode and he, he flipped round a, yeah that's right, he flipped round a torpedo.

Reegs: And then of course you've got Dick Dastardly and Mutley.

Sidey: Howie

Reegs: can, yeah. Can anybody other than Howie do the

Sidey: No.

Cris: can't No,

Dan: I

can't, Harry's also the

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: We never did that gang, the Scooby

Reegs: haven't done the Scoo. Oh yeah. We, and we've never done Scooby-Doo loads. Seems a bit

weird. It,

Pete: Howie do the Scooby Doo. Yeah, so that guy, he basically ran out of, he stopped getting work when he quit smoking because he didn't

Sidey: he didn't have the raspiness to

Pete: to his voice, so the muttly laugh and the scooby kind of

Sidey: If only vaping was around back then, he

could have

Pete: he could have carried

Dan: then, he could have that story, and then he didn't get any other, well he didn't get any other work and he died so it was actually quitting smoking that killed him

Pete: So keep smoking kids. That's, that's the message there.

Reegs: here. Yeah.

Pete: But yeah, I mean the, the technology at everyone's disposal is pretty incredible.

Sidey: we just, should we just have a list of the... The, the grid

Reegs: Peter Perfect's car Looks like a

Sidey: It does like a dick. Yeah. And it, it like, it's like a hardon, but in this particular episode it crumbles up like, like a

maggot.

Sure. Yeah.

Reegs: gets, it goes all flattered.

Sidey: we've got the slag brothers the gruesome twosome which is tiny, big gruesome and Bella, little gruesome professor Pat pending the red. He is a Nazi, I

think. Yeah.

Reegs: He flies, doesn't he? He's got a plane. I

Pete: He's got

Sidey: surname

Pete: a plane. His surname's Von Richthofen, isn't it?

Sidey: Manford Von Rick Hoven.

Pete: There we go, yeah.

Sidey: He it's called the crimson hay baler his vehicle Penelope Pitstop in the compact pussycat sergeant blast and private

Reegs: The Army Surplus.

Sidey: the army surface special if you don't mind the anthill mob which is led by Clyde

It's him ring a ding rug bug Benny Mac Danny Kirby and Willie law that yeah Like you said weeks there in the bulletproof bomb you got lazy Luke who's a hillbilly and blubber bear.

That seems like ill advised

Reegs: What, letting a bear

Sidey: To have a co pilot who's a bear

Pete: Yeah

Dan: Well, he took the blast, didn't he, of the the stove. He's ashes. Yeah, yeah, he had to go and douse it on a water,

Sidey: Yeah, they're in the Arkansas Chug A Bug Peter Perfect in the Terrific the Turbo Terrific, Rufus Roughcut, who's a lumberjack, he's in saw, he's, he's got Sawtooth, the beaver, again, I don't, that seems ill advised in the Buzzwagon, and Dick Dastley and Mutley in the Mean Machine. Definitely looks like the best car.

It

has, like, multiple jet engines.

Pete: Well, the, the, no, it makes that pure sort of sound when it goes past, like other cars. What, what I took from this was that if it wasn't for Mutley, Dick Darley probably would've won most of the races.

He seems to have the most like equipment and technology.

Reegs: I think if he stopped trying to fuck over everybody else,

Sidey: about to say, he's too obsessed with stopping the others rather than winning the race.

Reegs: really

the message of...

Pete: but it always seems to be motley that like fucks it in the air for him.

Sidey: Only under orders.

Reegs: He definitely fucks it in this one because he slow motion bombs him, doesn't

Pete: he?

he? yeah, he slow motion gases himself. Yeah.

Dan: And, then he ends up throwing a grenade a little bit later on because he's... Catapulted into the leading car to slow him down. He joins their, their band of me Merry Men and then is tasked with taken down Dick Dastardly. Right. Which he does. And

Reegs: He blows him up and he loses he has a leg amputated and we see there's months and months of

painful

Dan: before that leg grows

Reegs: the bit where he's howling in pain and cursing and asking to die.

Sidey: was always pulling for Dick Dastley to win one of these,

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: and watching it, watching it back now, knowing that he's not going to, it kind of like, it took the edge off it for me.

Reegs: also,

it's kind of offensively shit

Sidey: as

Reegs: too.

Pete: well,

1. Overwhelming sense of nostalgia that even if it is now, shit, I still sort of feel all like warm and fuzzy inside. And I didn't get that with

Reegs: contempt from the beginning, wasn't it? Basically,

Sidey: had aged quite considerably.

Pete: it is incredibly old. It's like 19 68,

Sidey: 68 to 70 this round. Four. Yeah. And

Reegs: it's

got like a two minute intro

Sidey: Doesn't need it. I would say that the names of the characters and the names of their vehicle are like, you could just read them and then you'll have as much fun just from reading those names, as you will from watching the thing. Yeah. Just wasn't that

Pete: If you want, if you do want some stats, The Mean Machine, Dick Dastley and Muttley they came, their best finish was 11th, so last. They did that four times. They were disqualified in the second race,

Sidey: I think I think everyone should be disqualified Every time, shouldn't they? They all

do something. Yeah, everyone's

Pete: everyone's cheating

going on. And then all of the rest of them, like, did not finish,

Sidey: Who's the governing body of these races?

Because the

Pete: I don't know.

Sidey: the

Dan: wacky racers,

Sidey: in this is fucking awful.

Dan: Races, Inc. You

Reegs: like in Formula One the

whole

Pete: wasn't Bernie Eccleston. I know that

Sidey: Well,

Reegs: They push the limits of technology and slowly that technology filters down to the popular Yeah, but so what's gonna happen with like firing magnets and slow motion gas and stuff

Dan: in the post, it's in the post.

Sidey: My car can't do any of that. It's

Reegs: No, mine

Dan: use magnets so you don't crash, they'll just kind of push you away from other

Pete: so you don't crash. They'll just kind of push you

Sidey: Festival of Speed

Pete: cars. Might be that. And over a number of years, there's actually like life size replicas of all of these cars have now been built and are displayed at this,

Sidey: Probably more fun than

the cartoon. Yeah,

Pete: would be more fun than actually watching the cartoon. This is, this was something that you engaged with in, in Romania many years

Cris: we, we've had it on Cartoon Network when television became color and we had, I dunno

Reegs: What a glorious time.

Cris: American western capitalism, and, you know, all this beauty coming into the country.

It was actually quite good. When I'm watching it now, it's shit. But when I was a kid it was actually quite funny compared to

Sidey: Well, strap yourself in for Pigeon Week because you know what's coming on the kids.

Pete: long distance Clara. Yeah. I'm well up for that. Top

Sidey: Top

5 Pigeons. Etc, etc,

Reegs: Yeah. It writes itself.

Sidey: I don't know if this is a strong recommend, but it's a strong recommend nonetheless.

Reegs: yeah. I'd agree with that.

Dan: Go for it. Yeah. Well, we'll have all we can of that.

Sidey: Yeah, something about things with stuff because it's a bank holiday weekend, so I don't know if

we're going

Dan: a

Sidey: we might have, there was talk on Friday night that we might have Cravenfest this weekend.

Dan: Well, I'm not sure about that, but we can definitely record a pod.

Sidey: Well, possibly Monday, possibly Tuesday, but I certainly don't know what any nominations are going to be or who, maybe it's Chris to nominate, I

Reegs: I don't even know if I'm going to be

Sidey: even know

if I'm the name of that film already. no longer here. I'm no longer here.

Reegs: no longer here,

Sidey: weren't even there. Yeah. So, we'll, we'll have episodes, I mean, don't, don't worry about that. I just don't know what the content will be or who it will be curated by. Yeah. But all that remains is to say, Sidey's signing out.

Reegs: is to say sidey side, yeah.

Yeah, with nothing if consistent, I mean, that is one of our, yeah, rigs out.

Pete: Toodle

Cris: Bye.

Dan: you,