Pockets & Den of Thieves

SPEAKER_05 0:12

Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, the podcast that is to film criticism as a pickpocket is to a nudis colony. This week we're going wrist deep into the top five pockets and pickpockets, a segment that promises to receive more nimble fingering than your mum and twice her dexterity. We'll cover everything from the breast pocket's purely decorative handkerchief shelf to whatever the hell a fob pocket actually is, in a countdown so transparently thin, you'll be amazed at how much filth we managed to squeeze out of it, which is coincidentally also what your mum said. Our main feature this week sees us hiding away in Christian Gudegast's Den of Thieves about a crew of ex-military thieves planning the impossible heist of the US Federal Reserve, and the morally bankrupt Sheriff's Unit trying to stop them. It's basically heat if the existential recognition between two men who understood each other's souls got left on the cutting-room floor, and the budget was redirected entirely towards protein shakes, tribal tattoos, and Gerard Butler's swaggering big dick energy. Before we get started, a quick note, nothing to worry about, let me just read from this. The following podcast contains spoilers, profanity, opinions that do not represent those of any reasonable person and Chris. By continuing to listen, you've waived your right to complain, your right to a refund, and all rights, titles, and interests in and to your current residence, motor vehicles, savings accounts, pension funds, and any any inheritance you were expecting but should not have been counting on because your parents were boomers. Dan is absent this week. Whether he's casing the joint or already in it depends on whether you're a glass half full sort of person, and if there ever was a glass half full around Dan, he'd have drunk it. So with that said, let's meet the men left holding the bag, starting with ravishing Chris, a man for whom watching films is less a passion and more a sentence he's serving with grim, magnificent dignity. Unless multiple people are being gunned down in a reckless shootout in a traffic jam, Chris considers it considers it whimsical garbage for people who feel things on purpose. Exactly. And caught with his hand in it again in second place, the man who tells me he's been practicing all week on a willing volunteer and she still can't feel him going in, which he's chosen to interpret as a professional achievement rather than than the most damning review a man has ever received from his own wife, it's Sidy. Hello. And then there's me Reeves. Hello. Hello. So it's just the three of us this week. New equipment as well.

SPEAKER_03 2:33

Got the new equipment. Do you want a quick walking football update? Because we didn't have one last week because there was no game last week. Yes, please. We had a game yesterday, Daniel was absent.

SPEAKER_05 2:41

He was in the He's the goal scorer as well, Daniel.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

He's goal scorer, so I had to step up. I had to step up, I got a goal. Doubled my tally for season up to up to two. It was the crucial sixth goal in our sixth nil thrashing of Rosa Rovers. That was the one that finally broke their spirit. There was tears. Yeah, there was tears. Played really well, actually. Yeah. The team, like not me. Yeah. It was good. Six goals.

SPEAKER_05 3:03

Really terrible haircut on the other team, you told me.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

Yeah, really bad. I'll show you afterwards because we got the goals videoed by one of their sons. The their goalkeeper's son videoed them.

SPEAKER_05 3:14

I'm sort of imagining something halfway from what you described between Chesney Hawks and Terry Nutkins.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Yeah, basically. So the guy has got ginger centre parting curtains, right? But has now got like the monk bald patch. Yeah. But is desperately clinging onto it. Or just in denial. I don't know. It's very strange because like I think blokes look fine when they shave their heads, so just do that. Or if you really have a problem with like not having hair, you could just get you could go to Turkey.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Um and those options are far, far better than what is currently going on. Anything is better than what he's got. If he she he doesn't have to shave it completely, right? If if he goes like three, even even two, three, something, so there's kind of patchy hair and whatever, but not too too much. This is just a a a horrendous looking kind of hairdo. I uh I don't even know. If you try to explain to someone, you can't explain it until you see it because it's just nothing you've ever seen before in your life.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

There was an old Reeves and Mortalness sketch on the Smell of Reeves and Mortal where they had like ludicrous haircuts and like one was like Stonehenge, like moved up and down his head and all the it could have been like a haircut from one of those sketches. Is that like preposterous? Anyhow. Six niles. They got an absolute punt, so that was good. I watched I didn't watch the main feature this week and have time with all the uh editing and golf that I watched. I didn't think I watched anything else either. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Rory Rory won the golf.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

Rory did win the golf, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Yeah. Are we happy with that? Yes. Okay, good. Yeah. I'm happy too. I don't really know why. I've never watched I've not watched it.

SPEAKER_05 4:56

Do you catch anything, Ruth? I can't remember whether I talked about I've been watching Bait, which is the Riz Ahmed thing. It's quite interesting that this is I think I guess the first thing that Amazon MGM are really doing with the bond license is to put out this thing that is basically a discussion around both the Muslim and British communities rejecting the idea of a Asian bond for various reasons. And yeah, it's quite interesting from that perspective to see that for Amazon.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

Is that what bait is about? Kind of.

SPEAKER_05 5:27

Yeah, I mean it's it's about a lot of stuff, but yeah, there's that going on.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Because I've seen it on the sorry to interrupt, I've seen it on the algorithm where you know it's kind of there all the time. But I've d I've not really opened it.

SPEAKER_05 5:39

So No, I enjoyed it. It's it looks fantastic. It's very much a drama, you know, a relationshipy drama as well. But it's very funny and it is a good actor, so yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:49

Strong recommend for that.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

How about you, Chris? I've watched a couple of more episodes of the Young Sherlock, but I think it's dragging out a little bit too much now. I'm starting to get annoyed. I will watch the end of the series just to kind of watch a lot. I think I've got two more episodes to go, one or two. So I'll wait, I'll I'll watch the whole thing and and finish it, but I don't think I'll I'll go back to it. It's got some nice actors and I like the way they speak because they speak proper English and it's quite fancy and it's in Oxford and it's like quite interesting. But I I don't know, it's just a bit now, it's a bit after it's quite a few episodes where it looks like you're not really getting anywhere. Yeah. Come on, let's wrap this up. It's one case. You start you start bringing the dad in, and then the dad's a bad guy, and then I was like, alright, come on, let's finish it because it's getting too long now. So that that other than that, I didn't really have time with between Champions League and work. I didn't really have time to watch anything else.

SPEAKER_05 6:48

The only other thing I watched actually that's worth noting, because I think Netflix's first foray into professional boxing, they screened the Fury Fury fight. And the undercard was terrific on that. Had Connor Ben, Richard Riak Pore, I've not seen him before, but he was well worth watching, and their coverage was really good as well. So Netflix definitely moving well, way more than that. They're trying to line up Fury Joshua fight. Yes, well, they want that because it will make money, but who wants to see that fight now? Really? Who cares? Ten years too late or five years too late. Fury's like a million times better than AJ's, so it doesn't really matter.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

I'm sure a big trunk load of money will entice him to come back.

SPEAKER_05 7:28

Big payday. Um but they're going for the Premier League as well, I think, Netflix, aren't they? Okay. So you could start to see Premier League games on Netflix as well, which should be quite interesting.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

Well, you won't say Tottenham on that. No. Right. In that case, shall we get on to top five pockets of varying different varieties? Yeah. Okay. Right, Christian. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Do you want to set the pockets rolling with the I've got a pocket, an actual pocket, and it's a it's a man holding another man's pocket in prison break. Oh yes. Teabag. Yeah. That was the first one I thought about when I when I put pockets in films. Because obviously this is very niche, right? And the only reason why pockets in films was because the It was your prison bitch, wasn't it? If you held your pockets in prison wife. But my my I've done it.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

I used to do it at When you were in prison. Yeah. No, at work. There was a guy at work, Dan. I used to be like, come and hold my pocket.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

But obviously we've done the Midweeker, which was God's Pocket, and then I thought that the main feature will be the film that we're going to review later on. And I thought, pockets, pickpockets, thieves, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 8:40

So that would be No, but that's a good one. I'd completely forgotten about it. The guy's name was Teabag. Yeah, but the actor as an actor. He got quite a lot of work after that, really. He got loads, all kind of playing the same part. He's kind of Creole, is he? He's got that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Yeah, he would say good at pretending to be if he wasn't. He played as a Russian in in a film I've seen. Okay. Played the role as a Russian. I can't remember his name, but he's he's got quite a generic name, I'm gonna say. No, it's something oh, I would remember it if somebody said it, but anyway, that that is an actual pocket and someone's actually holding it.

SPEAKER_05 9:14

I didn't know that, but that's the thing they introduced quite early on, is it? Because he's horrible teabag.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Yeah, horrible violent prison rapers. Um teabag in prison.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

Well for what you get in his name.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Theodore Teabag Bagwell is Robert Kerr.

SPEAKER_06 9:32

Robert Ker, that's right. Yeah. Sorry, I had to Google that. Theodore Teabag Bagwell. Very good.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Can I Pass the baton? Pass the baton.

SPEAKER_05 9:42

Well, I'm going for Polly Pocket. Oh. She was the central character in a line of pocket-sized dolls designed in 1983. And you will know it if you're a parent because it has almost certainly clogged your hoover at some point. Its whole idea was to have these miniature playsets and tiny, mini, mini dolls in it as a perfectly designed choking hazard. And its real appeal lies in the fact that your child can instantly lose all of the pieces and get very distressed about it. It's great design. That the toy itself was adapted to a series of director-video animated movies and a TV series in 2018 that I think we reviewed on this here, very pod. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

We've got some vintage Polypocket at home.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

Have you? Yeah, and my daughter plays with or we used to. The wife got kept hers when she was a kid. It's big.

SPEAKER_05 10:27

My wife, like Arias pricked up at Poly Pocket, so it's obviously big in the girl community. It's like the G.I.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

Joe of the Action Force or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 10:35

Yeah, but it's very small. Tiny cover of Hoover. There's been a movie being talked about for ages that was helmed by Lena Dunham and is in Department Hell, but Amazon MGM are still intent on releasing it post-Barbie. Mattella likes strip mining their back catalogue now, haven't they? Obviously, Barbie became this feminist icon movie, and now they've got Masters of the Universe coming out.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

Yeah, but unless you're going to whole Barbie thing. The trailer, I I agree with Pete because Pete went to watch the Mario movie with his kids, and he said, hmm, but Masters of the Universe trailer looked a bit and I'd seen like a teaser trailer originally, and I have got a thing for Allison Bree, but I watched the trailer and it does look shit. I mean it really doesn't fit.

SPEAKER_05 11:20

It does look like it's embracing the full-on like goofiness of the whole story. He's gonna transform at some point into a muscle-bound guy with like pants on and say, I have the power and all that, it's gonna happen, which is quite good. A man at arms and stuff. But yeah, I mean it's they're not gonna have everything being these brilliantly self-aware like reflections of society, are they? Some of them are gonna be horrible, pointless cash grabs, and that's probably what those are gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 11:50

Yeah, sort of classical one, bit of all of a twist. Yeah. Fagan and his army of little shit bag pickpockets. Yeah. They're actual just real pickpockets. Brogue one, Jin Erso, she's nicking stuff at the start. Yeah. And then I think in her h solo colon, a Star Wars story, uh, when we first see him, he's uh he's a thief, low-down scoundrel. Yeah. In Corelia. So there's some Star Wars ones there.

SPEAKER_05 12:17

Yeah, it's funny. The Oliver Twist one is interesting, isn't it? Because obviously it was Dickens's novel and it felt I've only read the book, I've never seen the film. Well, there was there's a few versions, isn't there? There's a 1968 one that was an Australian series. There's an Australian series, there's a Roman Polanski one. He he likes illegal things for children, so it fits right in, but it's right in, yeah. And also there was an animated one. And the reason I mention it is because the idea of criminals and animals is right up there in Stephen King. His work in both Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile, he has characters who represent their humanity in prison by keeping a small pet in their pocket.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Jack Door thing and uh the mouse. Yeah, Mr. Jingles. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

So Stephen King obviously Are the um Fagan and that law are they the are they like the sort of anti-heroes of uh Twist story?

SPEAKER_00 13:13

They would be probably, yeah. I've got a film from Colombia, 2018, and Netflix, no, it's not. That is from Mexico. But this is called Maestros del Robo, which for our dueling of friends out there means basically masters of thieving or stealing. And it's about these three young lads, well, three boys, two boys and a girl that I've actually seen it. It's I quite liked it to be fair. I I do like these random South African or South American or Nigerian or whatever these that are on Netflix, that they have the budget from Netflix, they don't really show the whole thing of how the country works. But this one was actually quite good. And it was 2018, 108 minutes, and it's in Spanish. Um a master of the art of pickpocketing teaches aspiring teen thieves about what it takes to be a master of the game, which is quite good. And again, it's kind of like the same old story like the Turtle Ninja and their master, the this and their master. There's always someone that kind of teaches you. The mentor. The mentoring bit, but yeah. A bit of left field, but it's better than a classic. It's good, it's it's it's alright, and it's not too long, it's it's quite interesting.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

There was a BBC TV series that ran for ages that I never watched called Hustle. Oh yeah. That was all about con artists and that sort of thing. But there was a spin-off TV series, reality TV show that you might remember, there was also on the BBC that ran for eleven seasons called The Real Hustle. It was written by and starring a guy called Alexis Conran, and they would carry out essentially real scams on the public each week to then show you how they did it and what works to kind of make you avoid it. Sort of watchdog stuff. Yeah, yeah, okay. I mostly remember it because the girl, there were two guys, one this kind of chubby guy with a beard pull, I think his name was, he was really the brains behind everything, but you know, he was like a real naff magician-looking type. There was Alexis Conran, who was the you know, s slick front man type thing, and then there was this girl called Jessica Jane Clement, who was just absolutely off the knockout, yeah. And she was she would feature in a lot of their scams, which all revolved right. They it was really interesting because they all pretty much had very similar components at the bottom, like being quite simple, and usually around people being able to sort of show their position of authority, so just wearing the fucking right uniform in the right place, having a lanyard, you know, around your neck in the right place, or standing or leaning in the right place at the right time can get you into places. So it was quite fascinating. And in their 11 series, only went wrong once when if you remember Caprice, the model, remember her, Shag Tony Adams, she ended up trying to do a counterfeit money thing, and a member of the public spotted it and so like it all crashed, but that was inked once in the 11th series.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

How about I've got a couple of coats for you? Okay. Inspector gadgets. He's able to get lots of things out of his pockets that don't seem like they should be able to fit in there. And then like an extension to that, it always seems like a magical one. It's Willie Wonka's coat. Yeah. He's able to produce like massively long objects out of what seems like quite a small.

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Well, what about the mask as well? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

And another one, technically it's a bag, but Hermione, it's an undertable extension charm on a bag, which means she's able to keep a Mary Poppins style style. Yeah, exactly like that, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:55

Hammer space, they call that. Where yeah, in cartoons and other things where you can bring out, you know, things that are bigger on the inside new that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Yeah. I've got a secret pocket in um Well, don't tell anyone about it. Well, no, it's it's not mine. It's in a film, and it's a secret pocket in the l line lining of a jacket, of a suit jacket, is in the Bradley Cooper irresistible or whatever it's called, the one where he takes the pill in the. Limitless? Limitless, that where he goes to the tailor's and he tells him to make a pocket in the lining of the coat where he can keep all his secret pills.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

And they do it, and then someone spots him and they steal the pills from his pocket, and that's a secret pocket in his in his jacket. I quite liked that film.

SPEAKER_05 17:43

They made a TV series of it as well.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Did they? Yeah. Okay, I didn't know. I like the film and I'd like the idea of it stuff, and he had Bobby De Niro as well.

SPEAKER_05 17:51

So it suffers from the big problem of whenever you write about a genius, is that what if you're a dumbass writer just writing something, for a minute you have to pretend that you're a genius. How do I do this? Do I make everybody else really stupid?

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Or how does that work? Yeah, how does it really work being a genius because I'm not gonna be able to get it? But that has a pocket scene in it. Yeah. And I thought that would be a little bit out there.

SPEAKER_05 18:14

Well, speaking of out there, I've got Superman 2025, which I was at first excited about and then skeptical of when I saw the trailer, but ended up loving it just for its depiction of like all of the sillier aspects really of the Superman mythology. But you know, you could tell James Gunn is a big fan and put it all up on the screen, bright colours, great tone, and like leaning into the do-gooder aspect, which is a bit of hope is quite nice at this time. But part of the plot sees evil tech billionaire Lex Luther unleash the hammer of Baravia, a supervillain, on them, and he unleashes that from his pocket dimension.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

Monkeys.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

Yeah, he has a Nexus portal of all these pocket dimensions linked together, one of which contains a troll farm of a thousand monkeys typing out abuse about Superman in like the most blunt repos to his critics of all time. I really liked that joke, I thought it was great. And also, the pocket universe is helmed by this weirdo humanoid thing called Mr. Handsome that for some reason Lex Luthor has a picture of like affectionately on his desk. But if you remember, it was like a hideous thing out of a Guillermo del Toro type movie. Yeah. So yeah, Pocket Dimension.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

And how about some songs? Supergirls have one called Pick Pocket. Sounds appropriate. Yeah. I've got Deep Pockets by Drake. We all love Drake, don't we? Pocket Full of Sunshine by one of your favourites, Rick Natasha Beddingfield. Oh. And just the Artful Dodger, the UK Garage Duo. Is it Garage Duo? Garage Duo. Garage. Yeah. Oh, speed garage.

SPEAKER_06 19:50

Doddy Dodge Garage.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

So there's those.

SPEAKER_05 19:54

He was Dodger D-O-D-G-A, wasn't he? I think.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

The Artful Dodger.

SPEAKER_05 19:58

Yeah. In in the when from the R B group or whatever, from Garage Steam. He wine. That was then, wasn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

And then what about going back to a movie, Kangaroo Jack? His kangaroos have their own pouch pocket. Yeah. And then after that I'm just going to nominate.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Yeah, I've got we did a film I which I nominated called The Emperor of Paris with Vincent Cassel, and the character was called Bidoc. Yeah. And that would be that's going to be my norm, so I'm not going to keep it too long. This is going to be my norm. Only because I've seen this scene live when I was a kid. When I was very young. My best mate, one of my best mates' brother, he used to be, he used to fight for money, he would be a bit of a a scoundrel, let's say, in real life. And I him and his mates had in the basement of the building where they lived a mannequin with bells on the pockets. And that's how they would train how to steal people.

SPEAKER_05 20:51

And who Yeah, I've seen that before in another movie actually.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Whoever would would be able to steal the pocket from the shirt, like without ringing the bell. Inside pocket without the shirt, he would be the leader of the group. So they would each day that that's how they would practice with the pockets. And in this thing, the doc becomes the the Emperor of Paris because he's famously escaped prison 27 times, and he does a deal with the police, and the police is like, look, you go out, you cast thieves, you hand them over, and you basically have a free hand. Which has been done before with or after with other FBI informants and people like that. But this is in the 1800s in Paris, and they have a scene in in this film in a one of the Paris dungeons where they basically have the same thing, and the initiation of one of the young lads, again, mentorship and all that, is bringing him in. There's a table where everybody's eating and drinking, and on the top of the table is a mannequin, and while everybody's drinking and eating, this kid needs to take the wallet out or some money out of the mannequin's pockets without the bells being rang, basically, on the thing. So I've seen that live. I've seen it as a kid. It was Unbelievable to see really, like how these guys with two fingers would just take everything just like that.

SPEAKER_05 22:05

And you ever been fingered in a public place side?

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:08

Yeah. Good.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

I've heard loads of stuff about you know when you go somewhere like Barcelona when you're in a busy, like really touristy. It's like, oh, there's millions of pit pockets around. Apparently, Venice is really bad for it. There was a notorious group of old women who would do it. They would you wouldn't you would you know tourists would not suspect it from older women. From older people like that. You think you you're gonna want to help them out, make sure they're right, and they're lifting your bloody wallet. But I've never actually been been a victim of fevery skulldoggery like that. No.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

No.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Anyone else?

SPEAKER_00 22:42

No, no.

SPEAKER_06 22:43

No, thank goodness.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

My mum has when I was when I was younger, and I I knew the people that would do it, and I asked one of them, and he's like, Oh, I didn't know it's your mum, then we'll they they stole her necklace. He basically just pulled the necklace from her neck. It wasn't even it was like Turkish gold, it wasn't even like real gold, but Yeah, but so it's not yours.

SPEAKER_05 23:03

Well, a quick shout out before my nom for a a trope that I like, which is a character is given a keepsake, or sometimes it happens out of nowhere, but they are shot, and then you know, the keepsake in the pocket, the line. Oh, yes, yeah, or the Bible, yeah. Uh whatever stops the bullet going through. Notably, I think in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, they sort of subvert it because he's like, Oh, I've got a book there, and then he looks and it's gone straight through the book and into his heart. And that's Shane Black for you. It's obviously been done in a billion different movies, but my nomination is going to be season eight, episode four, of South Park. It's called You Got F'd in the A. And what do you have? Do you remember this, Sadi?

SPEAKER_02 23:51

No.

SPEAKER_05 23:52

He was involved in a terrible accident, his right shoe flew off his foot and hit a stage light, causing it to fall down and kill eight people in the audience while he sings the song I've got something in my front pocket for you. Which I as soon as you said it last week, I just got and it's like a mumbling or something. Well, don't you put your hand in and see what it is, and that over and over and over again. So that is my nomination.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Nice, wonderful. Um what's your favourite pocket side? My favourite pocket, well, pocket watches, yes, yeah, quick couple of pocket watches. The White Rabbit in Alice in Wonderland, yeah, yeah. Might McFly when he goes to Doc Brown's How's the Star, there's millions of clocks, and there's also some pocket watches. This isn't a pocket watch, it's not relevant at all, but Cogsworth from Beauty and the Beats is literally just a clock. And Flavor Flave has loads of oversized. I don't think you would they're clock, you would need an enormous pocket to get those in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:52

But I've also got Oh, but when a guy opens up his jacket like that and he's got a load of watches in his thing. Does that kind of count? That's all they're all as a pocket or is that a is that a jacket jacket watch.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Yeah. Yeah. From the Nintendo NES in 1991. Okay. A key piece of the actual mechanics of the game was that he could pickpocket.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Yeah. So v so m movie video game tie-in would featured actual, you know, video game pickpocketing.

SPEAKER_05 25:24

Yeah. This is a dime a dozen pickpocketing in games now though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Under a health mechanic. But this was retro. 1991. Yeah, that is it's bigger than that. Brilliant. So we need two more pockets or pickpockets. Or yeah. We haven't got any pocket squares. No. Top popp pockets?

SPEAKER_00 25:44

We've got none of those. What are they called in prison when they when they have the pig thing in the in the back pocket? That's something. Right? No, the when they bring stuff in their a-hole. It's called something like a prison pocket. Smuggler's pocket.

SPEAKER_03 26:03

Okay, well we could get some of those.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

So I I didn't I I did find the thing.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

Let us know your favourite pocket.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

We are going to review is it 2018?

SPEAKER_05 26:22

Sure is. Yeah. Den of Thieves, starring Gerard Butler. And this was a bit of a passion project for him in some ways. He was a producer and it was written by the guy who did London Has Fallen. Yes. Oh, I like the Fallen series. Yeah, so that gives you a sort of flavour of what we might be talking about here. And it was in development hell for a long time. It was going to be nearly become a TV series, all sorts of stuff to it. But eventually it became a 140-minute movie starring Gerard Butler. And it opens with a bunch of on-screen text uh establish establishing us in Los Angeles and telling us it it's the bank robbery capital of the world. 2,400 robberies a year, 44 a week, 9 a day, one for 48 minutes. That's what it says on the crawl.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Yeah, that's what it says in the when yeah, at the beginning.

SPEAKER_05 27:14

Fucking hell, that's a lot, isn't it? Yeah. And it just shows it's basically zooms down from an aerial shop onto a armored truck. Going to get donuts. They get donuts, they pull over, it's all kind of normal, and then suddenly these two SUVs pull up out of nowhere. It's all at night, obviously, and uh these guys get out and they're like pro obviously paramilitary, like, you know, very high-powered assault weapons.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Gas mask, the bulletproof vest, every like These guys are not fucking about.

SPEAKER_05 27:43

They're like ordering the guys to the floor, they know they're gonna press the alarm, they do this, that, and they look very professional and all this sort of stuff. So you can already tell that they're military or trained in some capacity. Unfortunately, the job that looks like it's gonna could be under control with no kind of injuries, it a guy. It's not really clear. Does he reach for his gun? Does he drop his own cars? Yeah, he It's not really clear that the driver of the Armour truck, yeah. It kicks off a big gunfight. Well, a one-sided gunfight. All of the security guys are killed, and the guys in the black tactical gear fuck off. Taking the battery victim.

SPEAKER_00 28:20

One of them gets left behind because he's there. He gets shot, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:23

That's gonna kill it off.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

So one of them And they shoot quite a few police cars as well, like properly. As soon as and there you can see like straight away military jargon again, right? Incoming left or whatever, however they call it, but it's you can sorry, you can clearly see that they know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_06 28:43

Yeah, well trained, yeah. Not just a bunch of guys like being chancellors. This was a well-organised, planned thing.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

And then they disappear into a warehouse and you we see O'Shea Jackson Jr. looking underneath the truck, and we get to see kind of the We meet the crew. Yeah, we meet the crew.

SPEAKER_05 29:04

They're led by a guy called Merriman, Raymond Lo Schreiber. Thir he was in 13 hours. Yeah. And they're all kind of physically imposing, gym monster, you know, protein shake, tattoos, snake tattoos, that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Well, it's him, it's fifty cent is uh Yeah, he's in a Jackson.

SPEAKER_05 29:23

Yeah, he he basically only has two scenes, one of which is his death scene, and the other is a scene where it's basically a complete rip-off of the scene from Bad Boys 2, where he takes something off the daughter into the garage, he takes his daughter on prom night into the garage with her visiting boyfriend. Good morning. And it's like fifteen of the most enormous guys that you've ever seen in your life just done really tough. And the coaches are.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Yeah, he doesn't say much, but he is in quite a few of the scenes.

SPEAKER_05 29:52

Yeah, he doesn't have anything to do though.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Fitty Fitty is there.

SPEAKER_05 29:56

Yeah. So yeah, we meet them all, and like you say, we immediately latch on to O'Shea Jackson Jr. as Dominic is our Ice Cube's son. He's Ice Cube's son, and he's brilliant in this. And he's our kind of everyman sort of, you know, the character that you're supposed to latch on to because pretty much everyone's an arsehole in that.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Well, he's the only one that doesn't really, he's not really jacked. Yeah. He never takes his top off. He's he's boo. He's the one that gets a bit of a.

SPEAKER_05 30:19

He seems like a bit of an outsider to this impossibly macho lifestyle. So we see the this crew, and then we meet Gerard Butler's. This is amazing because Gerald Butler turns up, he's right on the verge of mega acting in this. Like he's going big with his performance, and his character is a total asshole. Isn't that true? All the time. They're they're basically a gang. Like they look worse than the guys that we're following. Yeah. And they're like hard drinking. The Sheriff's Department.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Big crime or whatever unit. Yeah. But he honestly just hard drinking.

SPEAKER_05 30:48

There's always a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Six o'clock in the morning, he tries to get home to not make any noise. He tries to go through the back door, the latch is on, so he can't get in, sneaks through the window, like in his own gaff, and then his missus goes down the stairs, he drinks milk from the carton, and his missus comes down the stairs, and she's like, It's six o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_05 31:07

What's going on? Yeah. I mean, and they're always like out with prostitutes and drinking it up and all that sort of stuff. So they they have worse.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Wow. And this is the first scene because it's the first scene where we see him, and basically she got a text from him in the night saying Well, we actually see him at the crime scene first.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

Because he goes, Yeah, he visits the city. First offer, yeah, yeah, okay. Because there's an amazing moment. Obviously, the cop was killed getting donuts, and he reaches, he gets a donut, like the box is covered in blood, and he gets a donut and starts eating it at the crime scene. It's fucking amazing. Yeah. And there's like a because there's a whole jurisdiction, like this movie just deals really in cliches and stuff, but in a great way. Because there's an FBI guy who's very straight-laced and they're constantly arguing about who's got the scene and this, that, and the other. And then you're right, he goes home, his wife kicks well, his wife leaves in with their two kids, tired of his drunken womanizing and coming back late covered in blood, I guess. Um so she fucks off to go and live with her boyfriend for a bit of um the movie. Yeah. So Nick, his him and his team, the Big Nick O'Connell or something. He's got yeah. That's his big Nick. Yeah, big everyone calls him Big Nick. And he's like, he's put on a bit of timber for this role, Gerald De not Gerald De Budgew, Gerald Butler. He has Gerald Butler, but he's starting to look, ironically, a bit like Deb Budgew because he gets quite big in this. But yeah. Anyway, he's been tracking Ray Merriman, this guy, because he's known to them. I think he's only been out of prison nine months or something.

SPEAKER_00 32:36

Six months or something, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he goes straight away, he's like, Do we still have a trail on that Donny kid?

SPEAKER_05 32:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

And the his crew is like, Yeah, yeah, we still got a track on him. And then he They grab him off the street. Yeah, they he basically just tasers him.

SPEAKER_05 32:50

They taser him and they take him back to their I didn't wasn't sure what this was another. It's a hotel room, right? Yeah. And then, you know, they they choke him, they beat him up a bit, they threaten him, and they say, We don't really want you, we want Ray. Yeah. So give us Ray.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

Because he's like, Look, man, I don't know, I just work in a bar. I'm the driver, right? He tells him some story about I'm the driver. And then he's like, he shows him a picture of him and Ray Merriman. So he just kind of goes, Well, we've got this picture of you speaking to him. Oh, he just comes to the bar and then he chokes him and he's like, Alright, alright, yeah, we we done this, we've done that, we hit this, we and what is the next plan? And also, why did they steal an armored car with no cash in it? Yeah. Because basically that's what it is, is the the the first scene of the movie when they steal the armored truck. Apparently there's no money in it. They just steal the truck.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

They just steal the truck. So that's the big mystery. But the mystery isn't gonna last for very long because Ray is gonna take his crew out to tell us what the big heist is, and the heist is for the Federal Reserve. And they tell us this this building's never been robbed in its life. It's full of like hardcore systems and people in there and you know it's got its own shit going on. And he's telling us all this. He's like, Oh, you can't even stand outside it for two minutes casing the joint because your face will be on a register and uh whilst he's explaining it for about five minutes, stood right outside of it.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Yeah, they're in a they're in a parking lot.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

Oh, I can't believe they never would have thought to check the parking lot. Yeah, it's silly, but yeah, they they're setting it all up for the big heist, but you still don't really know how it's all gonna play out.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

And this is the thing, by now we know that Donnie's been taken and he's been interacting with Big Nick when the police and they know it as well. They they see him with big Big Nick. And and and then but but Merriman makes a point of sending the guy, is it Dosco or Bosco or something, to see who shows up at the crime scene, who's the lead investigator, and he goes know your enemies, and then we get the scene where Gerald Butler kind of goes on a debrief of Ray Merriman, Fitti, all these boys is like oh, they're ex Marsok, they're all Delta Force, I don't know, whatever Marsok means, the the Navy guys, whatever. The hardcore Navy They've all been to Afghanistan, they've been to whatever, they all know what they're doing, and they all played football. Yeah. Because that was the the thing. They all played football at some college. Right. And this is one of them that uh Merriman asks Fitti, he goes, Have you seen uh Nick O'Brien? Have you ever played with against? He's like, Yeah, he was a defensive tackle linebacker at He was all straight versus the exact something at one of them, right? So and that's how they they kind of go. And then the the I think before anything else happens is the scene where they all kind of hang out at that restaurant and uh Well, just before that, Butlers has to go and sign the divorce papers, which he does very passively, aggressively.

SPEAKER_05 35:49

Honestly, wandering drunk into that place. Yeah. But it it's nice that the film has some lot other things on its mind other than just the ridiculously macho showdown between Nick and Bryce. But he's such a dick. He goes into this dinner party and he's just like exactly what you'd think a drunken ex-husband type would be like.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

But he's also a police officer and he knows he's like, ha ha, call the police. Like stuff like that, then you're like, What a dick.

SPEAKER_05 36:15

What an absolute dick. So yeah, then after that, seemingly a bit self-destructive, he goes out for dinner, and Ray and the boys are there, and he's there with his crew, and he's Donnie.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

He does it, they do it on purpose. Yeah, of course it does. And then obviously there's all all the Merriman crew and all the police crew, and the Merriman crew are all with the misses, like all with the women and that.

SPEAKER_05 36:36

And Jerry Some of them are the prostitutes.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Yeah, and Jerry Butler makes a point. He knows them. Yeah. And Gerald Butler makes a point of saying, Oh, we're not here for the food, we're here for the ass.

SPEAKER_04 36:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

And yeah, talking about his missus basically. And the guy's like, mate, we're here with our family. Yeah. If you want a problem, you know.

SPEAKER_05 36:54

And obviously, Ray knows who Nick is, and Nick knows who Ray is, but they have this like pretend conversation where he's like, Oh, I know you from the gym and all this sort of stuff. Like, it's it's again trying to be a bit like Heat with these two guys being each other. Yeah, it does sound a lot like you know, it's all the time this movie is the two crews, the police crew and the like violence that's in the place in public and all this sort of stuff. But anyway, so we get a bit of like backwards and forwards, so we don't want to get into it too much because there's still quite a few things to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Basically, they set up this job that's going to be happening at this bank, the the Well, uh we don't know that because all that we have until now is pointing to the Federal Reserve Reserve. Yeah, but then d then he goes Donnie Donnie they send basically Donny to to Big Nick and they say, on Friday, it's happening, I don't know where, and then they put a GPS or something, they follow them at the Pico Trust or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 37:53

Some tiny bank out in the middle of nowhere, which we kind of know is not the target here. So yeah, like and they go in real quick, but it's and they sort of like in broad daylight, these guys just turn up in a van and just like go into this bank and take it down really quickly. And they're being their their like modus operandi now is completely different from what we've seen in the rest of the film. Right. Yeah, and they do go and they're like they're immediately get the bank manager and go right, phone the police, don't get negotiated, we're gonna start shooting hostages.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Like it's a completely million in a helicopter, which is nothing like they've done before.

SPEAKER_05 38:28

They're more like really trained, get in, get out real quick.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Like And this is just a normal bank. Yeah, that's not really what they've been doing, but obviously we know there's something else gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05 38:39

And Nick has followed them down there with his crew, and then suddenly the police start turning up because they've run the police from inside, and he's like, What the fuck's going on? This is my thing. I'm trying to watch them. Yeah what's going on, and all these police, and he's like trying to suppress the scene, and then suddenly it clicks for him, like, hang on a minute, they're not in there. We also get because he he's he's like, No, fuck it, I'm going in right now, and like through the front door, and when he goes in there, it's empty apart from the hostages and the woman that they said that they've killed, you see her in the toilet, and actually they've escaped through a hole in the floor into the sewers. So they fucked it it was basically just to draw the attention for ages, put a load of police presence there and Nick there, and they fucked off somewhere else. Right. And where they fucked off to is the Federal Reserve. They've got the cash truck, and they've told us about this plan to like sneak. Um, well, basically, you watch it all unfold. Uh O'Shea Jackson Jr. is snuck in inside these money carts into the heart of the operation, and he's got an EMP in there that takes out all of the like cameras and stuff. Because you see, the systems, like, nobody's really allowed to be left alone with the money, and like there's counts everywhere, and all this.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

And the guards don't are not allowed in the counting rooms, it's only the counting people that have the key for the for the counting room.

SPEAKER_05 39:55

So there's a bit of like tension here as he gets out, and there's a brownout for the cameras, and they're trying to fix him. He's got two minutes and all this, that, and the other, and he's shoving money into these black bags and throwing them down to a very conveniently placed garbage suit that's right in the middle of the room. Yeah. And anyway, they do get it obviously all back together, and it's like quite tense, and this scene goes on for quite a long time of them infiltrating and going, but for the perks.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

And then they get stopped, let me see your paperwork. Yeah, all right. Donnie gets out, oh, you're not logged in, but you're logged out. What's happening?

SPEAKER_05 40:27

Well, we've seen Donnie sneak in once before as under the guise of being a delivery, like a delivery. Chinese, yeah, Chinese delivery guy. And that's what he's done this time. And then just as he's walking on his way out and you think it's all gonna be okay, then the woman phones back. Because I did think this, he's left it from the job that he did two weeks ago, the food in the roof, it's gonna be fucking disgusting. And when she opens it, she's like, ugh, and then call that guy back. I want my money back. I want my money back. So just as he's about to get away with it, the thing goes out about a guy in a red shirt, and Nick's team immediately comes up and takes Donnie off the off the road. Literally, like meters away from meeting up with the guys and getting away. So they put him in his car, handcuff him, beat him up a bit. They proper beat him up though, yeah. And they're like, Where's you know, where are they meeting again? Where's the re what's it called? The relay point or whatever. Yeah, the yeah. And they he tells them it's some salvage yard. So they head on down to there, and as soon as as they get there, they see the car pulling out with the crew, and you've seen them stuffing, getting there's been a whole bit with because they had to actually follow the garbage. If they don't get the money out, it actually comes out in the rubbish lorries, and they follow this rubbish lorry down. That's where you see Max Holiday as one of the rubbish lorry drivers. And anyway, so they basically follow Ray and the money and the rest of the crew down on this the LA motorway, and suddenly there's a traffic jam, and then it's just like Sicario, basically.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:53

It's just a traffic jam and then Nick makes the crazy decision to get out of the car all strapped up with like machine guns and all this stuff. There must be a hundred civilian cars.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

Or at least between them. And then they just that's it, we need to take them out now. Yeah, because this is the place you can. You see Merriman looking in the mirror and he just goes, Is that is that they look and then you can see them just putting all the vests on and that's straight out of the police procedural planning. Yeah, and then he just goes, like Merriman and his crew, he's like, give me the machine. And honestly, he gives the biggest machine.

SPEAKER_05 42:29

SAW it's called, and he puts it on the roof on this car, and he just goes like firing through everybody. Like I don't know how many people would have died there. They only show you about four or five of the people getting shot or whatever. But honestly, however many civilians were in the way as well. So it's this great big gun battle, which is actually really nice and effectively done. Again, very heat-like with the sound, you know, the real sound of the shots, and that shot seeming to have real impact, and members of the gang getting shot, and members of his gang getting shot, and eventually it comes down to just Gerard Butler running after Ray, and they have like a little standoff and catching the pistol.

SPEAKER_00 43:11

Merriman doesn't have any more bullets, he still has put the clip in and he kind of goes for him just to make sure. Because there's a scene at the beginning where when he gets out of prison, yeah, the prison guard says, See you, Ray. He's like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:26

Like, nah. So he he kind of compels, if you like, Gerard Butler to kill him. Yeah. That's it. And so then they go back to the back of the car to go and r retrieve the money and they open it up and dun dun dun. It's all the shredded money. It's just all shredded full of like cinder block stuff, whatever. And the guy's like, What the fuck? Are they making snow globes? And then it cuts back to you go to look to the car where Donnie was chained up with a handcuff and he's gone. And so that's it. And then he's been working at a bar, so Gerard Butler goes down to the bar, and this is When the movie turns into the usual suspects for the last five minutes. Yeah. And he basically starts looking around, loose lips, sync shits he sees. Then suddenly he looks around and he's like, oh, that's the guy from the count room, the Fed Right, walking in to have a drink. Oh, where's Donny? Oh, he left a couple of days ago, all this, that, and the other. And then he starts piecing it together. It was actually all Donny's idea. He was the one. And he looks, he sees the football team because O'Shea Jackson. They're watching Brazil, France. Yeah. On the football. And O'Shea Jackson Jr. was a goalie soccer.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

He was a bully for a soccer team with the Samoans. Right.

SPEAKER_05 44:33

And the rest of all these other characters that have been in the movie sort of periphery.

SPEAKER_00 44:37

And most of them are lorry drivers or tech something.

SPEAKER_05 44:40

They're not really blue-collar workers. Like even the women that complained about the food were in on it. Yeah. So suddenly he'd like Gerald Butler's just looking around like, holy fuck, you got away with it. And then next we cut to London. London. And this guy who I didn't recognise, I recognise the face, he comes in, oh I govern it's scared pint and all this. And the guy's like, you hear him off screen with a really bad English accent. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

To do it.

SPEAKER_05 45:08

Oh, hello, mate. How do you see that? Alright, mate. So the big reveal is that he's bought a pub and he's like, Michael Bisping's like, oh yeah, I work at the Diamond Exchange. And he's like, the beer's on the house, and they're setting it up, and all the crew are there, and they're gonna do another job at the thing. It's thoroughly fucking ridiculous, this movie. And like I say, the comparisons to heat are there because they're in there, but I really enjoyed this. It's good fun, it's really entertaining. It's two hours, 20 minutes, and it fucking zips by.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

And it's but it's full-on high octane. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

But there is enough in it, like the scene where you know you remember like Gerald Butler's a really fucking good actor. The scene where he goes to see his kid on the day like he doesn't know whether he's ever gonna see his kid before, and he like he's got his hand through the school fence and they just chat for a couple of minutes, and then he goes back to his car and he cries quietly for about a minute. That's fucking top quality acting.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

And then he goes back to being an absolute asshole. Yeah. And also, in one of the ones that we didn't really mention, there's a lot of little bits that kind of make the whole story. In one of the the whole little bits is the fact that Merriman's missus is a stripper and Jared Butler goes and shags her. Yeah. And Merriman goes home and Jared Butler's in his gaff. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 46:25

Yeah. So he turns up, he comes home, Ray, and Butler's already there shagging his misses. But then it turns out that Ray Merriman knew that was gonna happen and fed him some false information. So you get that.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

And he gets the phone number and he calls him, he's like, Oh, do you like what you see? So it's it's it's done quite cleverly. Obviously, there's ridiculous scenes where the guy shoots through a crowd of cars and all that kind of stuff. But look, it's an action movie, you know what you're gonna get after 30 seconds of the film, right? Well once they start shooting the police at the beginning.

SPEAKER_05 46:58

But all those scenes are done really, really well. Like it looks great, the budget's good, the acting's strong, it's silly and very entertaining.

SPEAKER_03 47:06

It was one of those movies that critics didn't like, but audiences did. Well, audiences were right. Yeah. The budget for it was 30 million US? Yeah. It must have made enough because it got sequeled, didn't it? It made just north of 80 million. Okay, that's good that's good numbers for Gerald Butler because he put up quite a lot of the money for it, I think. Um certainly some of it. So that was good too. Would you watch the single? Have you seen the single?

SPEAKER_05 47:31

I nearly, if I'd had time, but I would have gone.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Because obviously there's at the end, everyone dies except for Donnie and Gerald Butler.

SPEAKER_05 47:39

And Gerald Butler. And those are the two characters that you'd want to see again in your life.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

Yeah, and this is the thing, because everyone else is I like don't get me wrong, Merriman is good.

SPEAKER_05 47:46

He's good, but he could be changed with another muscle head.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Yeah, he could be, he could be any big fucking yeah. So yeah, it's I I like this though.

SPEAKER_05 47:53

And and O'Shea Jackson Jr., I I remember him in Ingrid Goes West that we watched, and he was really funny in that. He was playing the guy who was always high all the time. And this is again a different sort of role for him. I think he's a good actor as well. Yeah, he is actually, he is good, yeah. Yeah, very good. I couldn't remember whether I'd seen this before, but it was definitely a strong recommend for it. And if you like MMA, Max Holloway, Michael Bisping, Oleg Tarov.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Taktarov, Oleg Takhtarov, who is another one of the drivers, he's a legend. Taktarov. He's a legend of Rest of the United States.

SPEAKER_05 48:22

And there's probably more in there that I missed, but you know, for that point of view, it's worth seeing as well.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

Yeah, it was quite funny to see all of them and just kind of, oh, oh, you're in it. What are you doing? Yeah, it's it's good, yeah. I like that.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

Five Dens out of five? Yeah, for sure. Strong. Strong.

SPEAKER_06 48:41

So Dan's back next week?

SPEAKER_02 48:43

Yeah, I don't know what day I think.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

He said he's back.

SPEAKER_06 48:48

So who if we could get Noms out a bit earlier, it might help me. Well, look, it's I've done this week. Is it you? It's probably you.

SPEAKER_05 48:55

No, it's you, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 48:57

Well if we're out of the group. But yeah, yeah, the early the better, because I two weeks in a row I've only watched one of the things, which is shit. But I did sort of enjoy the the God's pocket. God's Hot Pocket was was sort of bleak but quite enjoyable. And that Dennothe sounded excellent. I think you'd really like it. Check that out.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

Oh yeah, I I honestly I think you would again you know what you're gonna get, right? It's not you're not gonna win any Oscars, but it's a good act.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

Well, I know someone that listens to the pod will be pleased that we watched uh Jared Butler. Yeah, Jesus. So that's good. But all that remains is to say Sadi Sunny out. La revedere. And Reeks is gone.