Gypsies & Apex

Apex

Dan: I got question today about Bad Dads not doing children's television recently.

Sidey: Yeah, that's true. We're not doing that.

Dan: And you know, just as my wife reminded me that rice and ice cream isn't a main meal for, for dinner I think there's still elements of bad dad in us

Sidey: Well, we decided to s- not do it regularly because we don't watch as much of that stuff.

Cris: It's not only that. Th- y- all your kids have grown

Sidey: I mean, Yeah ... That's why we don't watch it

Cris: children, and secondly,

Sidey: Mostly sucks ... between

Cris: 600 episodes

Sidey: Yeah

Dan: How

Cris: many kids stuff do you, realistically, do you still wanna w- watch as a, as a...

Dan: No. Well, I watched a little bit of Lego Masters today which ... Is it Arnett does that?

Sidey: Arnett does Batman's voice, Yeah, Batman. Yeah, yeah.

Dan: And he does the the Lego Masters, and they have, like, a competition, and they eliminate someone out every week. They're duos that build Lego cities- Okay ... and Lego towns, and they've gotta have some kind

Sidey: of

Dan: twist to it, I guess. Maybe they're trying to find a new Lego set. You know? Yeah. Whether it like Ninjago or Lego Batman or something. So they have this entertainment show where this last episode that I watched, it was one of the first ones I've seen, they had to build a city, and there was, like, eight of them doing it. And it had to have a twist, and the twist was there had to be some kind of You know, everyone was enjoying it, and then a snowman was attacking them or something- Yeah ... or a dragon was coming out, and it was sustainable city. Everybody was going well with up until the smog monster came and attacked him and things like that. And Nelly's been getting really into Lego which is easy to do 'cause Lego's bloody awesome. Yeah.

Cris: Are, are you still buying any more Legos?

Dan: You may have noticed we're recording outside, and that's the ambulance just going by

Sidey: why we're I- last weekend I finished my Soundwave Lego. Okay. Transformers one. So I don't have any at the moment on the go. Right, okay. But-

Cris: How long did that take you?

Sidey: It took quite a while because I thought I'd done it wrong and it turned out I hadn't. So it had just sat for months on the dining room table.

Cris: Oh, right, okay.

Sidey: And Then when I sat down to sort of fix it and finish it, I realized I just had to- f-

Cris: just have to finish it rather

Sidey: I finished it in one evening. So, but

Dan: like

Sidey: that one was probably about 140 quid. So-

Dan: How many pieces?

Sidey: A couple of thousand maybe.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Oh. It, I mean, it does actually transform. It is quite an impressive thing, but you can't be, like, buying them all the time Do you know what I

Cris: No. Yeah. And plus you have to keep them

Sidey: somewhere Yeah. They take up a load of, shit load of room.

Cris: you wanna take them all apart and

Sidey: pieces- No, I'm not gonna do that ... if

Dan: true, yeah

Cris: do them again, but-

Sidey: So yeah, so for those reasons I haven't- I haven't got any more on the go at the moment.

Dan: Yeah. just to reiterate for those of you tuning in it's been so warm in Jersey today that there's a bumblebee there. He's practically got a person on it. That's huge. Had a saddle on that one. It was huge. It's so warm in Jersey that we've decided to go out into the garden and record, and you may hear a couple

Sidey: may hear Birds tweeting and cars going past.

Dan: past. Ambulances and motorbikes ripping past. But other than that it's incredibly peaceful

Sidey: We're g- yeah, and we're gonna talk about- Our favorite travelers. Yeah. We're not allow- are we allowed to say gypsies? Is that- I think so, is that a derogatory term now?

Cris: call... They refer themselves as

Sidey: gypsies, Okay. so- so, I don't think what- Okay. So we're gonna do that ... people think, you know? The Romani. people.

Cris: Romani Romani people, travelers, gypsy. And as a, as a side note, in Italian, Zingaros or Zingari, it means travelers w- and is not necessarily a derogatory term. Anyone can be a, a, a traveler. Y- you, you've been a traveler. Right. I have. When you were traveling.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: You're not necessarily a gypsy, but you are a traveled- Yeah ... a well-traveled man wh- when you were in Nepal and you were in India and all that. It, it's not... I didn't mean it as necessarily Romani or gypsy people- Yeah ... as, as a nation. Unofficial nation, I guess. They're not really-

Dan: No,

Cris: really ... they don't have a country. But it's more like traveling people and

Dan: And travels

Cris: And travelers ... and travelers. And as far as I know, they don't take it

Sidey: they don't take offense- they don't take offense. Okay, cool.

Cris: They call themselves, they refer themselves as gypsies, so.

Sidey: Nice. We're gonna talk about that, and we're gonna talk about the Netflix movie Apex. Yes. Charlize Theron And- Taron Egerton ... And Taron Egerton.

Dan: And a little bit of Eric Banana.

Cris: Yeah, Eric Bana at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. He,

Sidey: Yeah. He, he's there

Cris: for a bit. Some other cameos from some other people, but generally they're them-

Sidey: two. The, Yeah, they're the leads. Anyone watch anything this week worth a read down?

Dan: What did I watch this week? I watched the end of The Boys-

Sidey: All right ... which

Dan: has-

Cris: were talking about it last week. Yeah.

Dan: About that, yeah. It's... That was dropping the last episode. And well, I won't spoil it for people that may have not caught up at,

Sidey: I haven't got up yet

Dan: but,

Cris: is that the end of it? Is it done?

Dan: it's the

Sidey: there is gonna be a spin-off series. but yeah.

Dan: I'm, I'm sure there'll be. There's lo- huge potential for a spin-off it and everything, but it does wrap that particular set of characters up in a bow quite nicely. Okay ... and I must say that the thing that annoys me most about it is the fact that it's taken so long to get to season five after a long, long time. But I didn't... I came to it late, so already the first three or four seasons had, had dropped, but the, the fifth season took forever to get there. But it was good. It was, it was a really cool spin on superheroes and, you

Cris: know-

Dan: don't know, people in- enhanced people and, you know, how drugs can, I was looking at the enhanced games.

Cris: And- Oh, yeah. The, the Greek guy won the, the... I've seen that with the- Yeah ... the swimming

Dan: He, he got a world record and he got over a million dollars setting a World Cup- Yeah ... world record. There was a, an English swimmer, I think, Andrew Proud or someone like that,

Cris: i-

Dan: Who

Cris: We're all proud of

Dan: We're all proud of him just just .5 of a second outside of the world record, which me- so he won, and he got 175 grand for winning, but he could have got a million for breaking a new record. Right. Okay. So he was that close- So he was a little bit frustrated that he didn't quite push it enough, didn't take enough drugs, I guess, to get him over the line. But it's it's not everybody's cup of tea, that kind of thing. But I think it at least allows athletes who decide that they wanna see how far they can go, and winning and fame and money means more to them than competing clean, they, they've got an avenue to go to. Yeah, yeah. And,

Cris: and the, you know, there's all loads of people that were labeled as cheats. Now th- that's allowed. You're not a cheat anymore. Do

Dan: Not in those games. You know, if you

Cris: drugs, you win them. We'll watch them. Or I, I didn't watch them, but I might do in the future and

Dan: you wanna go and win the Olympics, then, you know, you expect to do it clea- clean. But if you wanted to go and s- get a million dollars for setting a world record, then you can do it over here. And one of the things that this swimmer, you know, he said, "In my-" You know, it's really gonna help my family, that money. Yeah. The Greek guy, he goes- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... "It's really gonna set me up for, for the rest of my life. I, I just wouldn't get that in... if I-

Cris: Competing clean

Dan: compete clean." Yeah. "It would take me 10 years to- Yeah To be constantly at the top to get that kind of stuff. So why wouldn't I do it?" And he said, "I might come back and try and beat it again next year." It's another million for him, you know?

Cris: I- if he does it, yeah. Fair enough. I tried to watch that as stated earlier, the Peaky Blinders film. Oh, yeah. I've never watched the series, which I'm probably gonna try to watch now. I know there's quite a few seasons though, so

Sidey: against your rule I might-

Dan: gonna be out of your comfort zone,

Cris: I might, But look, I'll

Sidey: BBC though, So they're short, they're short series. th-

Cris: what does that mean?

Sidey: I think there's not, like, 20 episodes. I think it's, like, s- six episodes a

Cris: Okay. I'll, look, I'll give it a go. I, I'm not, I'm never... And, and I,

Dan: I, I was impressed by it. I liked it

Cris: I've said that n- numerous times. I'm never saying never. I'm never saying like, "Oh, I hate it because it's two seasons or three seasons or six seasons."

Dan: You just said it twice.

Cris: It's more that I generally find the second season, I never really got into the third, but I find the second season that it just kind of tries to just prolong it and make it more and more, adding uncles and sisters and all that. So we'll see how that goes. But I do wanna watch it. I did fell asleep on the flight to Turkey, but I wa- I tried to watch that. And I watched the, The Homework. I'm trying to think if I did watch anything else, but I don't... I, I had a lot of time off, but I didn't really spend time on my phone or my iPad or whatever. I watched the football as much as I could, and I'd generally been out and about when I was in Turkey. So that's-

Dan: Getting massaged by big men.

Cris: He wasn't that big, but he was, he was very strong.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: Well- Very strong man ... pin

Dan: you down, he's gotta be.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: I don't think I watched anything other than the Homework, so.

Dan: Oh, really? It's quite a-

Cris: a- Okay. Nothing. Not, not, not one thing.

Dan: a

Sidey: that I remember.

Dan: No. Okay. Yeah.

Sidey: Shall we just get into Gypsies?

Cris: Shall, shall... Let's do it. Yeah, yeah.

Dan: take it Take two.

Cris: I,

Dan: I did dons. Why did I do dons?

Sidey: Have I That was last week

Dan: you. Oh, right. Yeah. I was thinking I had, I had,

Sidey: I'll Quickly jot some down.

Dan: I'm gonna, I'm gonna just get... I, I, I was thinking the, the same gypsies you probably are. I've got Brad Pitt gypsy. Yeah. I've got My Great Big Gypsy Wedding those kind of gypsies. But I was thinking, I was being all clever going Vinnie Jones. He was a don, wasn't he? Wybbledom.

Cris: Okay. You did the dons last week. I listened to it. Yeah. Do we... Are we still recording or what are we doing? Okay.

Dan: Innit now? What have you been eating?

Cris: I actually, I have to say I do enjoy this concert with this little bird at the top of the house there. She's really happy

Sidey: Now we've lost Dan. Right, turn it off. So we need, we need to re-sync. Do you now have the correct top five topic loaded up?

Dan: Yeah, I think so.

Sidey: You, you logged in?

Dan: I've got a few-

Sidey: a few- Why don't you start us off with your favorite gypsy?

Cris: My

Dan: favorite gypsy. Okay. Well, the, the first gypsy that comes to mind is Brad Pitt's gypsy in Snatch. Yep. It's the,

Sidey: Mickey O'Neil?

Dan: Mickey O'Neil ... Mick- Mickey O'Neil.

Sidey: Do you like dog?

Dan: Yeah,

Cris: dogs.

Dan: it, it's that kind of Jason Statham, Benicio Del Toro, and Vinnie Jones, who was one of my dons that I didn't get to put forward. And it's about boxing promoters. And Micky, who is Brad Pitt, he's proper hard as nails. He's a bare-knuckle fighter. And

Sidey: in some nick in this film as well.

Dan: well. Yeah, he's, he's in absolute fight club nick,

Sidey: isn't he?

Dan: he? He's 0% fat on him. He's looking the absolute beast and, and he

Cris: Great tats as well

Dan: great tattoos, and getting hit in the face is just bread and butter for him. He, he doesn't mind it. He can take a punch, and he can get back up and then hit back twice as hard. They think they've... he's been beaten a couple of times within the other fighters that he's got, but he just doesn't quit, and he's got a hell of a strike on him. And he's-

Sidey: Is he supposed to throw a fight?

Dan: He's supposed to throw a fight. He's- There's no

Sidey: way in a million years he's gonna throw a fight.

Dan: a fight ... no because they bet on him, as we

Cris: They bet on themselves, yeah.

Dan: but he's up against a load of gangsters and things like that. But they don't understand, they're not gonna... You know, they're basically gonna fleece as many people. Their only loyalty is to themselves and their friends and family. It's to

Sidey: it started off they've, got involved because they- they've, like, fleeced someone off a dodgy caravan deal.

Dan: That's right, yeah And then, With Jason Statham ... same thing Yeah

Cris: Well, actually, Stephen Graham. Yeah. He goes to buy a caravan with the, the big guy, the Geo- George's, Gorgeous George. Yeah. And he, he just knocks him out Yeah ... and breaks his jaw. And then-

Dan: And, and Stephen Graham, like from this film, has just gone on, you know, to be becoming one of those national treasures as well,

Cris: He is a don.

Dan: yeah He's, he's, he's an absolute hero. I remember him on Soccer Saturday doing stuff like, you know, just being so grateful for the opportunity he was given

Sidey: of being in, films Then he's doing stuff with De Niro and fucking

Dan: And then he's done it, and he's like all the rest of it with Pacino and De Niro and and having this kind of... And I think obviously producers and directors and casting directors, they just know that, wait a minute, you bring something here. He looks like an- A, a real kinda everyday normality to, to parts and, and, and different sides. We've seen him in The Chef thing. This isn't about Stephen Graham. We could do a Stephen Graham week, to be honest, because he's getting to that kind of status that even the bad dads are, are standing up and paying attention. But within this gypsy role, Brad Pitt is your archetypal,

Sidey: Isn't it the the gangster lot come down and burn down their site?

Cris: The, with the mum in it. Yeah. The caravan with the

Sidey: So that's a fucking

Dan: badass Oh, so it's a world of

Sidey: So then they eventually when they come- out after the fight, the guy pulls up and they've got the shotgun through the window, don't they just fucking blow everyone away. in the car. Yeah.

Dan: a- and you've got that guy who's the, the London... It's worth watching again,

Sidey: isn't it? Brick Top.

Dan: He's the

Sidey: guy- The guy with the glasses

Dan: A- and he's he said, "If I throw a dog a bone, I don't expect it to tell me how it tastes afterwards." And loads, loads of great lines.

Sidey: Loads of

Dan: great moments is put together as Guy Ritchie put us together L- Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. I think this was his next best one after that, to be honest. I,

Cris: think first one was Lock, Stock, and then Snatch, no?

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. It was- Yeah, this is the

Dan: out of h- out of his films, I think this is... You know, they are number one and two. I really enjoyed Lock, Stock, but he, he's my... The first gypsy that came to my mind, anyway. Yeah. Mick- So- Mickey

Sidey: Got an animated one, Esmeralda- Yeah ... Disney, from Disney World

Dan: So yeah, what, what's Esmeralda? She was, she was a gypsy.

Sidey: Romany, Yeah. Dancer, outsider, tragic figure, Disney heroine. Thought we'd... There's one for the whole family, there, you see. Bit of,

Dan: It's a brilliant film actually. I've seen this. It is you know, great voice actors that, that put it, but great Disney animation as well, and obviously it's a, it's a well-known story of, you know, this misunderstood figure. He's, he's been shunned by the world, but actually he's, he's got a heart of gold. And he just rings the bells and loves Esmeralda. Esmeralda. Yeah, I like, I like him.

Cris: Would you like him or Esmeralda better?

Dan: I li- I like Quasimodo, Okay ... because basically he just-

Sidey: He was a real looker.

Dan: It... Well, he wasn't a real looker, but he had, you know-

Cris: A heart of gold ...

Dan: if you could, if you could Shallow Hal him- Mm he would be you know, an absolute blinder. He, he would be a Brad Pitt.

Cris: Yeah. My first one that I thought when I did this was John Wick.

Sidey: Right. Because

Cris: he was from the Romani school from the, the House of the Gypsies or whatever they're called. And that was the family at the seat of the high table or whatever, and he, the Baba Yaga or whatever it was called, he was originally a gypsy. Right. From the origin story that's who, that, that's where he comes from and how he comes from. After watching the John Wick series and the Ballerina-

Dan: The

Cris: Continental ... yes. Well, the Continental is about Winston.

Sidey: Right. So it, it's like- i- haven't seen that one ...

Cris: it's r- it's really good. Yeah. And it's like a three-part series, so it's an hour and 10 minutes or an hour. Right. So, so I, I, I really enjoy

Sidey: I didn't care for Ballerina, too much.

Dan: Me

Cris: neither, but they do have John Wick in it. He makes an appearance- Right ... not just her as a... And that's where, you know, the, the gypsies teach her to... And, and you kinda get that more of a background story where he was a gypsy, not just showing up from the films w- about him. And that's, I can't remember what she calls him. She calls him something in, in in Romani. I can't remember the, the, the name of him his actual name in, in the

Sidey: Yeah

Cris: spoken language.

Dan: but,

Cris: But John Wick

Dan: Did

Sidey: we do, you know the the Sherlock Holmes films with Robert Downey Jr.? Did we review one of those? Did we do the second

Cris: the second one

Sidey: 'Cause in that when they, they do a runner after-

Cris: She's Noomi Rapace. I have her on my list as well,

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. So they go to her traveler community. Yeah. And they're getting everything

Cris: She's a fortune teller. He, he goes to see her and then they go to France where they do all that. Yeah. Yeah, I had her on my list as well.

Sidey: On my stag do when we were driving we went through some places that had a load of mad fucking gypsy houses that I'd never seen the like of.

Dan: Yeah. When, when Pete was driving through that,

Sidey: Yeah. The-

Dan: Yeah ... we missed our flight, didn't we? Or the flight was delayed and we- Well,

Sidey: the plan was always to drive, then we weren't, then we decided we weren't gonna drive, and then the flight got put back or something. so we decided we were gonna drive. So- So It was a six-hour drive and, part of

Dan: given us any

Sidey: Still Chris was like "Look at this place up here, there's a load of gypsy houses. And then it's like Footballers' Wives, but

Dan: like

Sidey: next level

Dan: Unbelievable, 'cause they're

Sidey: he's saying, like, on

Dan: of these tourist

Sidey: floor, there's, that'd be where like the horses and shit come out of.

Cris: are. Yeah, yeah. And there's marble floors-

Sidey: Yeah on the ground floor. So it's super lavish, but super, like, fucking tacky.

Cris: And it's all, the, it's all in, on one road because they all want to be their house on the road. Yeah. So there's, there's no s- you know how you go into a village and there's the main road where the cars go, and then there's other

Sidey: streets Yeah, yeah

Cris: back- Yeah ... and,

Sidey: like, no. they all wanna go on that road ... 'cause

Cris: all the villages on one road because everyone wants to be on the, on the-

Sidey: What, so they get the horse out onto it and shit?

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: But it was an eye-opener seeing all those gaffs. They were fucking mad.

Cris: Yeah, towers, gold

Sidey: Yeah. Just all that. So gaudy. Yeah.

Cris: And that's real life. That's not even a film.

Dan: Well, more real life, did you ever see the series My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding?

Cris: I

Sidey: was aware of it, but I never actually-

Cris: Yeah, I've never watched it,

Dan: but I know it exists ... I, I, I did actually watch an episode of this, so, I'm very well-placed to talk now about it as an expert.

Sidey: I watched it.

Dan: But it was real people- Yeah ... you know, real gypsies. And it was this British documentary series that explored the lives and the traditions

Sidey: and the

Dan: and the weddings of these Romani, kind of, and Irish Traveler communities in, in the UK.

Sidey: And

Dan: they were just so extravagant, you know? And they were very young girls sometimes- Yeah getting, getting married. It was a massive hit. But... And it really brought, I, I guess the, the Traveler community into the, the mainstream a bit, and people started to understand a little more about them. But these girls would get dressed up in dresses that were huge, neon, kind of, dresses to get married in. Oh, yeah.

Cris: it's a whole different world ... and

Dan: you know, the, the kinda life that they lived and, and just accepted as part of that, that life, you know?

Sidey: had Tyson Fury's daughter I was gonna say got married last weekend. She's 16 ... the king. He, he calls himself The Gypsy King, doesn't he? The boy king of the traveler community. And, but like afterwards, like, Google her wedding cake. I mean, it's like floor to ceiling.

Dan: high, wasn't it? Yeah. I mean, it's insane. Yeah. I mean, it's,

Sidey: it's, So They go all out ...

Dan: th- they really do, and th- this, this show I think just made a lot of people uncomfortable and made a lot of people- A

Sidey: It's A bit exploitative.

Dan: Y- yeah, but it's happening. Do you know what I mean? It's like, it, it wasn't just for the show.

Sidey: Yeah. They do it

Dan: didn't have to be. You know- Yeah ... it was that outlandish anyway. They didn't have to put on

Cris: That's just how they do it,

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: just how they do it, yeah ... that's just how they do it, and they don't they, that's the way they roll. They- Zero fucks ... they, zero fucks. That is their community. That is their history. That is the, the way that they wanna live life. They don't wanna get tied down into nine to five jobs. They don't wanna get tied down into paying bills for the councils and things like that. So they'll move, and they'll just set up and go, and they'll pick up and... There was recently in the, in the news, 'Cause very little that the UK law can do to prevent, you know, 40, 50 caravan houses and sites, and they come in. And it's a full-scale operation. Do you know what I mean? They're not like-

Sidey: Yeah

Dan: Yeah ... they're not pulling caravans with horses anymore. They've got proper-

Sidey: RVs RVs

Dan: and, and they're laying tarmac down and and suddenly this sleepy little hamlet in, kind of, you know-

Sidey: Sussex

Dan: or, or- Wherever it may be ... wherever it is is just they've got 300 families just moved in next door to

Sidey: them.

Dan: And who knows how long they'll be there. Probably in, you know, the councils know that they're in for a long law fight because nothing's clear. The families around them, suddenly their life, their quiet little kind of perfect life is, is very disrupted and that. But this was a brilliant show, and it showed their side of things a little bit more. And actually it ran for, for, like, five years and it was pretty cool.

Sidey: Okay.

Dan: And I, I maybe watched three or four episodes of it. Well,

Cris: look, you said you're not an expert. You're, you're definitely more of an expert than both of us because I've never watched any of it, so I can't really say anything. What I have watched was however and speaking of Romania and Romani gypsies, Borat.

Sidey: Yeah. I was wondering, I was g- I was gonna put him out there.

Dan: Borat ... he,

Cris: he's not necessarily himself a gypsy. He is K- well, he claims he's from Kazakhstan. But the film is the, the whole film is filmed in Romania.

Sidey: The first one,

Cris: And he does go and go into a village, and he's he's... it's all shot in, in proper gypsy environment-

Sidey: Yeah ...

Cris: i- in Romania. And, and the, the, the people he interacts with, they are proper gypsies. Yeah. And whoever hasn't watched Borat, they need to watch it because it's amazing. I've not watched it. The the main issue that apparently what the, what the Romanians have, the main issue is that the people that were filmed and the revenue that Borat made has never gone to these people.

Sidey: Oh, right. Okay.

Cris: Oh, right. And obviously these are people that they- they're just villagers. Pe- they... people that live in a village in Romania, they don't really know what a film really is or, or the internet or whatever. And now I think they're not necessarily suing the people that directed or created Borat, but they're a bit like, "Well, we've been exploited because we actually thought this is- these

Sidey: Made a load of money off our back ... w-

Cris: backs w- these are people with cameras- Yeah ... that brought this guy in, and we thought he's either a celebrity or a diplomat or something like that. And

Sidey: You're taking the piss out of us

Cris: Yeah. And he was just there to-

Dan: How wrong were you?

Cris: And yeah, exactly, and he's just there to take the piss. But

Dan: y- at, at

Cris: the same time, I think it's funny, so.

Dan: beware

Cris: So I can't really, I can't really say anything more than that. But

Sidey: But- one of the tropes that we've seen, you mentioned about Naomi Rapace's character in Sherlock being- a fortune teller as well, but they also use the Romani. They kinda can curse people.

Cris: Yes.

Sidey: And there's films where that crops up. We've got a couple of

Dan: yeah. yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. There's a Stephen King adaptation, Thinner,

Dan: oh,

Sidey: Oh, okay ... the curse is used for that. And there's a Sam Raimi movie called From Hell which is also- Blimey ...like kicked off by, A Romani curse Yeah. Okay So that's quite good. And Sam Raimi's rad. So any any chance of getting him in there, go with that. Do you want some music ones?

Cris: Yeah, we, we, we like that

Sidey: It's quite a lot where they, they just have a song title of Gypsy. Fleetwood Mac have one, that was a Stevie Nicks song. Shakira, if you're familiar with her work. she has a song called

Cris: She is Colombian, but...

Sidey: lady Gaga also has one called Gypsy. I'm a big fan of hers, been to see her live. But my favorite, I genuinely really like the song, It's a Cher song, Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves.

Dan: Oh, yeah.

Cris: Oh, yeah. That's a tune, that,

Sidey: I've seen that, yeah, yeah it's a real good one. From way back in 1971. '

Dan: 71?

Cris: when you were what? In your 40s, Dan?

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: yeah, I was, I was, I was well into it then. Did you ever hear of that that Romani fortune teller? She was... She'd just escaped from prison. She was quite short. She was a small medium at large. I

Cris: knew there was a joke coming, but I, I just wanted to know what, what's... Yeah.

Dan: The one that I would put even higher than, than that one is one that we talked about a little bit earlier and everybody's kind of fawning over Peaky Blinders. Yeah. There's, there's not just a film which has come out kind of recently on Netflix, there is also- The series The series that, that dropped on BBC. And

Sidey: I've--

Dan: I got to it late. I think there was already at least three or four series out before I started watching, which just meant that,

Cris: you can binge

Dan: I could binge, yeah. Because you can get into a film and a series a lot better if you can resist that first urge when everybody's saying, "Oh, did you see it? Did you see it? Oh, I can't wait for the next episode." Yeah, you're right, I can't wait for the next episode. That's why I'm not

Sidey: Yeah, I'm not

Dan: it now.

Cris: I'll, I'll- Give it all to

Dan: yeah ... I'll, I'll kick it a year down the line and start to watch it. And this was really worth watching. You got Tom Hardy, Cillian Murphy set in Birmingham.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: You know,

Cris: after- Yeah. Not the greatest place in

Dan: Not the greatest place in the world ... after World War I. And the Shelby crime family who have Romani heritage and and family on, on their side. And there's also, you know, they, they twist in into the, the ghosts and, and- The supernatural ... and the supernatural. Yeah. Exactly. And different members of the family have more power than other parts of the family, but they all respect it. There's, you know, there are illegal betting rings and high society and, you know, razor blade fights and crazy haircuts and peaky caps and everything.

Cris: all that, yeah. The blades in the caps. They have the blades, I think.

Dan: But yeah, it was, Yeah, they, I mean, they were, they were a nasty lot, and they were feared in Birmingham, and they ended up leading this this crime family right to the top of sort of the UK, I guess, and going into politics 'cause he was a, he was a clever fell-fella. The guy that what's his name? Cillian Murphy, but- Yes ... the, the-

Cris: Tommy Shelby ... Tommy

Dan: Shelby. Yeah, Tommy Shelby. Brilliant

Cris: T- Thomas, sorry. Thomas, I don't know.

Dan: I don't know. Brilliant character. Played brilliantly by Cillian Murphy,

Cris: I did hear a story about that. I don't know if it's true or not. I didn't verify it. I'm not mates with any of them, but apparently when they did the casting, the BBC... I think there was BBC initially that started it, and when they did the casting for the main character, for the Thomas Shelby, there was Cillian Murphy, a Tom Hardy, and someone else, and they were one of the other ones that is really good British actor, and they were r- one... They were m- the, the people that were doing the casting were more kinda inclined to give that guy the role. And Cillian Murphy at the last hearing, or whatever you call it, the last thing before he left, he was like, "I this is my last performance. You decide who you want, but please remember I'm an actor. I don't know who your other choices are, but do remember I'm an

Sidey: actor."

Cris: Rather than whoever the other ones were or, or what the

Dan: Tom Hardy's an actor as well, isn't he?

Cris: Yeah, I know, but I, I can't remember if it was Tom Hardy or someone else, but it was one of the, like, a pretty boy, right? Cillian Murphy's not necessarily a pretty boy. Tom Hardy is a, like, a more handsome man, if you wanna call him that.

Sidey: that. He ends up in it though, doesn't he, Tom Hardy? later

Dan: he does. Yeah, he plays a brilliant,

Cris: apparently. I don't... I've not seen the- the thing.

Dan: yeah ... thing that he does in it ... he plays a brilliant character in it, yeah.

Cris: I h- I've only got one more, and then I've got my gnome. Yeah, sounds. I have, w- which I... It's more of a documentary, and we... You've touched on it before, is the Fury family. Yeah. Because they have a, a, a TV show. And look, i- he's a gypsy king for a reason, especially here in the, in Great Britain. And I was gonna touch on the, on the subject of his daughter's wedding and all that.

Sidey: some mad name as well, hasn't she?

Cris: Esmeralda

Sidey: or, it's something bonkers like that yeah ...or

Cris: Argentina or something like that. W- which

Sidey: Just Google it

Cris: I'm, I'm just mentioning that

Sidey: because

Cris: this family of the Furies it represents... I, I'm obviously from Romania. We have a, a big Roma Gypsy community, and I used to

Sidey: to- Venezuela, her name is

Cris: Venezuela. Venezuela. Argentina, Venezuela, sorry, yes, one of them. And my, one of my second cousins was called Argentina in Romania. I know a few Mercedes. A few... I know a few Bentley.

Sidey: We know a Bentley.

Cris: I knew a few, like anything Diamond, Diamanta, whi- which is the Diamond but is the feminine Diamond. We- in Romanian you can do that. So when I was playing football as a, as a youth for, for, for the youth teams at Steaua Bucharest, we had quite a few gypsies and I've become quite accustomed to the traditions and the family and all that. And I briefly dated one of the girls that was in a Gypsy family, and luckily I didn't- Get? No, but I know a few of the traditions, and one of my mates we went on a night out. This girl went to his house, they slept together, and then the next morning there was about 20 people surrounding his building because he was expected to marry her. Mind you, this wasn't her first-

Sidey: Yeah

Cris: Yeah ... night sleeping at someone's house. But because she didn't come home, they asked her where she was. She was like, "I'm in this area. Give me the address." She asked for the address, and there was people outside, and basically, apparently we found out later that she would do that and if you were weak and you would just say, "I'm, I'll marry you," you would end up marrying this

Dan: really scared you were gonna get

Cris: by pure pressure and, and doing that. And this is a, a tradition that in the Gypsy family, in the Gypsy community. There's one of my friends here who's Romanian, he admitted to me that he kidnapped his wife To marry her. When she was 17, he was 23.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. And in his own words, he was like, "Oh, yeah, I kidnapped my wife. You know how it is, gypsy style." And that's how... He, he's not afraid to admit

Sidey: it. Yeah. He's

Dan: Crime unveiled on Bad Dads. Who

Cris: that's how he's done... Well, no, they, they, their daughter is now 17. They lived here for 20 years, and, you know, there's no more... They, they're happily married. They're still together and all that. E- even living here, but that's the tradition. There, there's no... And it used to be because in the gypsy tradition is, like, like any trans- transaction is, is available. So if you have a daughter, you have a daughter, and my son is of marrying age, and we're best mates- Marriageable. No, it's not necessarily that. We, as best mates, we do a deal. Yeah. Okay, well, I'll give her... I give my daughter to, to your son, but how much you gonna pay? Or how much is gonna be her dowry?

Dan: Mm.

Cris: And that's how

Sidey: these, Yeah ...these things are negotiated,

Cris: which is sad in a way because these people don't care about love. It's more about transactional.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: And you

Cris: end up loving the person or not later on in life. So The Fury's, on a long story short I think it's a, it's a good, Because now they're television stars rather than just- Yeah ... boxers, right?

Sidey: Arranged

Dan: marriage is certainly not only-

Sidey: a lot of cultures

Dan: yeah, it's, it's not only Romania gypsy kind of, style, is it? It, it does happen over a, a few different cultures and things. You mentioned travelers before, and not just gypsies. So I was thinking of the Leonardo DiCaprio Beach. You remember that film? The Beach? The Beach- Yeah ... where they had a group of travelers and things- Yeah ... who,

Sidey: Is that right you can't go there anymore? No, you can ... Or is it heavily restricted or is it? No, You,

Cris: can, but it, it is heavily restricted. I think it's only eight hours a day, and you can't go in the water anymore. Zero.

Sidey: Zero. Well, some people really go.

Dan: Yeah. They, I mean- It's

Cris: the best place I've ever been

Sidey: Yeah, I've been before it was restricted down here.

Cris: Is, is... I've never been to a place that looks so

Sidey: beautiful Mm.

Cris: like that Maya Bay. But-

Dan: Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, they, they still do trips to M- to Maya Bay where they're, they're making money from it and things. But it was obviously had a, a huge influx of people that did damage the biodiversity and everything, the, the nature of the area after the popularity o- of that film. My nom would be From Russia to Love, With Love.

Sidey: taken

Dan: Yeah. I thought I- That's a good one ... I thought I was gonna jump in there first because I knew that Sadie would maybe just jump in ahead of me. But this was James Bond. He's sent, set to assist a, a Soviet consulate clerk in escaping f- in Istanbul. And he goes to a heavily fortified camp, a Roma- a Romanian camp where a big brawl breaks out with SPECTRE agents.

Sidey: Well, First of all they get, they get their belly dancing. Yeah. And then it's a fight to death of the two girls. Yeah. Over the man.

Dan: And this this was took a, a couple of weeks because the director wanted to get it to feel really untamed compared to standard, you know, Hollywood accounts of fights and things at, at the time. Yeah. And just being really kind of gritty and, and everything. But yeah, Sean Connery is, is involved in,

Sidey: Doesn't he end up like one of the women pledging herself- Yeah to him? Yeah. Or the s- he saves someone's life? as you

Dan: say, you see the- this, these amazing belly dancers- Yeah ... first

Sidey: never thought that was- anything. I think he saves someone's life and he's, then he's like, "No, you then you must marry my daughter" sort of thing. He's like, "Oh, f- they know about me, I'm James Bond."

Dan: Yeah. I'm not sure about that.

Sidey: Yeah. Let's,

Dan: let's let it go. But yeah, From Russia With Love 1963 going right back, that would be my nom 1963. Geez

Cris: I

Sidey: know. Well, you've taken mine, so I'm gonna put in Mickey O'Neil from Snatch. It's got, you've got- You can't have a top five- Yeah,

Dan: no. No, I think it's a fairly solid choice.

Cris: I've got, Well, I've got two noms actually, because one is one is a traveler and one is a gypsy. The first one is Kwai Chang Caine Is David Carradine in Kung Fu- Yeah ... who is a traveler.

Sidey: The, oh, 'Cause I was thinking about Rurouni Kenshin, like, Blind Fury- and stuff like that. Yeah The traveling sort of- hobo type character. Yeah

Cris: so, so this is for me i- is... That was one of the first ones that, because I didn't wanna just put gypsies, and, and he is

Sidey: he auto-asphyxiate himself to death in a cupboard?

Cris: I think so. Yeah. I think so, like a, a p-

Sidey: What a way to go.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: It's how he w- It's how he would've wanted to. go.

Cris: Yeah. Who, who wouldn't- ...

Sidey: Yeah. Who wouldn't?

Cris: really? But yeah. Five. Kwai Chang Caine it, the, the series Kung Fu ran between '72 and '75, and the sequel in 1990s, The Legend Continues. The traveler American he travels in the Old West seeking, seeking his half-brother.

Dan: You- you've also got Monkey to put in there, haven't you?

Cris: I, I just thought of someone just, that just travels, and it's in

Dan: a series-

Cris: of just him being on the road and not... Pretty much like Sonny

Dan: Yeah. I, I, I, I tried, I tried... Yeah. I co- I could put Sonny Supertramp on YouTube in it there as well, I suppose. Whi-

Cris: which is a real person, and he's a descendant of the Craven

Dan: dynasty. Is it this, a descendant of Bad Dads?

Cris: But my nom is a film that we've done for the podcast, and it was my first nom ever on the podcast. Okay. A film a Serbian film, which was White Cat, Black Cat.

Sidey: Oh, yeah. Oh.

Dan: yeah. Oh.

Cris: Black Cat, White Cat, actually- Yeah by Emir Kusturica, and it was, all of them were gypsies.

Dan: Brilliant. I've got that on DVD. It's one of the few DVDs I've, I've hang on to. It's-

Cris: All the film was in, ... really, really funny ... all the film was in with gypsy... All of them. All of them were gypsy. The language used were gypsy. The guy wipes his bum with a geese. It's complete madness.

Sidey: It's complete

Dan: madness, yeah.

Cris: Yeah ... you can't, you can't beat that. Yeah. So that, that would be my nom

Dan: people with gold teeth and all sorts in it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It, it's,

Cris: Grga Pitic, all, all that

Dan: It's, Oh, that's a great, that's a great nom. Yeah.

Cris: So that would be my nom, and we're waiting for two more from-

Sidey: Two more noms required ...

Dan: From The great unwashed. Blessing you.

Sidey: Right, straight into Apex. Right, we're gonna really up to date, 2026, join Apex, Charlie Theron Yeah Taron, Egerton. I always struggle with his name.

Dan: Taron Egerton

Sidey: pretty much opens up with a- like, An intense climbing sequence

Cris: Well, there, that's where we have Eric-

Dan: Wall

Cris: Called Troll Wall ... Eric Bana in Troll Wall- Troll Wall, yeah ... in Norway.

Sidey: Trollveggen, Yeah.

Dan: And there's a bit of weather coming in

Sidey: S- Yeah, Eric Bana is there Yeah And I'm thinking, "Oh, right. Didn't know he was in this." No, I didn't know he was in this. Yeah. So they're climbing and

Cris: the first

Sidey: first of all- they're in a tent, I c- still, I think about this a lot. Like, how does that work? 'Cause they're in a tent on ... I assume still just a sheer fucking wall. No, you're

Dan: sat in now. You're in much like a, if you could see Sidey now- Well, like a birdcage kind of yeah, he's like in a birdcage- Yeah ... with an open side. Yeah.

Cris: Well, that's what they do. They've, they've got a, a, a base of six beams, where it's one across, two across, and four rectangular. It's a rectangular, like a base, and it's hanging on the cliff. Yeah. How, how they put, I don't know the name of these things that you- Carabiners ... the carabiners. So the carabiners are hanging-

Sidey: Could you get any sleep? on that? Fucking hell.

Cris: Apparently, because if you put it at the right

Sidey: Yeah, but I'd just be fucking nervous

Dan: now But well, I suppose they're wedged in so there's more than just one-

Sidey: climbing is, like, this is just not for me.

Dan: This is extreme climbing,

Cris: Oh, yeah. That's not for-

Sidey: Yeah. And

Dan: I- if you watched Free Solo, then you'll

Sidey: know Hans brother ...the

Dan: wall that we're thinking

Sidey: of. Yeah.

Dan: That's in Yellowstone or Yosemite National Park. But there's a few spinoffs from that where they climb in so long and

Sidey: Well, I think they had- And I think they had wanted to summit, hadn't they? They, do sleep in these- Yeah ...

Dan: Yeah ...in these bigger, you know, in these tents. So they're, it's, it's like a, a hanging tent. And as you say, they've got carabiners that, that clip into the wall face.

Sidey: I think they would reluctantly camp. They wanted to summit.

Dan: They wanted to summit. Yes. She couldn't quite make the,

Sidey: The- There's a bit she keeps getting stuck on, understandably, 'cause it looked fucking impossible to climb.

Dan: yeah. It is, it's one of those,

Cris: so like a lip that

Sidey: go. over. Yeah

Dan: It's a lip that you come around. It's an overhang that you have to kinda s- spring up and,

Sidey: like, "We'll do it tomorrow, We'll g- we'll get over it tomorrow."

Dan: she's fallen three, four times and he calls it. He says, "Look, there's a bit of weather coming in." And in the tent he's saying, "Oh, I don't really..." You

Sidey: know. This is my

Cris: also older than

Dan: getting to the end, I'm getting

Cris: He looks older than

Sidey: that.

Cris: I don't know if he is in real life, but he looks older

Dan: her. She's calling him, you know, she's calling him out a little bit and saying, "What?" You know, "It's just a bit... Don't, you know, we've still got plenty of this isn't it?" And he goes, "Well, you know, you don't wanna go too far." He's basically... He, he brings out some saying, I can't remember the words,

Cris: About the luck. Your luck will

Dan: Your luck will

Cris: run out. The luck. You go many times on this mountain, your luck will eventually run out

Sidey: Yeah, yeah. This is not the sort of thing you can push too far ...

Dan: and it is an, a terribly extreme mountain. It's just the two of them. It's cold, you know, it's, it's literally ice.

Cris: Yeah, there's a blizzard. It's not- And

Dan: their hands are cold, and they're having to pull themselves up. And she, on the retreat down as the weather has really closed in says, "Yeah, yeah. I've, I've got the, the thing in place." Actually, she doesn't. And he ends up falling and,

Sidey: think some ice falls down, doesn't it? Whacks him

Dan: some ice falls down She's holding it ... she's not sure if he's dead already. But she can't hold on in that current and she has to take the decision to cut the rope or, or let

Cris: She lets the rope go

Sidey: go. yeah she can't hold it. he dies. And you're thinking, "Fuck, Eric Bana's not in this for very long . Yeah,

Cris: he was just, yeah, the beginning

Dan: 10 minutes And next thing, it kinda cuts to her in Australia five, six, eight months

Cris: Sasha, by the way, in this film. Yeah.

Dan: She's like five, six, eight months later. She's, Sad face ... sad face- Yeah ... on her own. In

Cris: a camper van in the outback of Australia.

Dan: exactly. And she's going to canoe. To Rocky, I think it was called ... she's getting a, a, a few... Yeah,

Sidey: Wandara National Park ...

Dan: she's getting a few supplies in. And there's these couple of real, you know, Redneck- Rednecks, yeah kinda guys that are sizing her up in the, in the convenience store, which is just a store in the middle of nowhere, and saying, "Oh, you got everything you want there, love? Do you want a hand?" And she just says, "No, I'm fine." And-

Sidey: He makes his own beef jerky ...

Dan: and then one guy, Tara

Cris: a guy called Ben, we'll find out, that he's like, "I think he, she's all right, guys." And they just kinda go, "Oh, okay, we're gonna leave now." And she's like, "Oh, thank you," blah, blah, blah, and she sees that he makes his own beef jerky.

Dan: Yeah, and he goes, "Sorry, I just thought I'd say something." And she's going, "No, you didn't need to." She's very independent- Yeah and she is- Strong lady ... she's not asking for anybody's help, and she could've handled those two guys just fine on her own, but-

Cris: Although once she gets into the car, she pays for petrol, she does ask for directions, because the GPS doesn't work anymore. And she asks for directions-

Dan: To Ben- Yeah ... who's, who's pulled up alongside

Sidey: gives her a couple of options, doesn't he?

Dan: He g- he goes, "Oh, you can go that way, or you could take this option if you allow me." And, and he's saying, "But, you know, you shouldn't really go alone." "I wasn't suggesting we go together." And you thought, "Well, okay you know, on the face of it- Nice guy. Yeah ... he's, he's just trying to help." And she's being a little bit short with him, but she's not giving any kinda indication, you know, other than asking for direction that she wanted any help. So, she got the directions, and she sets off. She camps. She takes his advice, and she goes down to this creek. And there's a couple of guys there who are in the, in that convenience store that turn up a little bit later and- They're, they're being weird. They're skinning

Cris: A deer

Dan: A deer or a- A deer. Quite intimidating ... and they're quite intimidating. They go up to her window and say, "Do you wanna join us, love?" And he's, she just says nothing. She's not rude, but she's firm. And they eventually go, and she launches her kayak the next morning and heads down on some really rather gnarly rapids on her own. She knows what she's doing. She's got all her, her gear. She's left her, her van up at this

Cris: like- I was gonna say, though, is that what nor- Look, I, I don't think... You've been traveling the most out of all three of us, I would imagine. But is that what people do? They just leave the van, and then they just go rafting for seven kilometers. How do you get back?

Dan: you do that, well, you do that in the Ardèche, actually. There's one of the best trips I ever went on was in, in France. And y-

Cris: you,

Dan: y- you normally have a company that will

Sidey: kind of, Bus you back

Dan: will bus you back

Cris: will bus you back. Ah, right.

Dan: so they take, they take you back up to the thing. But yeah, you obviously take all your stuff. You take the river all the way down until you h- get as far as you wanna go. Yeah. And then they track you back up to- Right ... to where you started and e- and everything. So we didn't know that that was gonna happen. It wasn't obvious, but you assume because she was in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. And she'd just left her, her,

Cris: her van

Dan: Her van ... her van and, and all her worldly possessions apart from the basics, which she's got in this kayak. And she heads down, and she looks like she's, you know, really enjoying the, the challenge and the... There's a little bit of zero fucks, I think, because she's obviously lived through a really bad moment. She's got a lot of guilt- Yeah ... over the, the

Sidey: death Yeah.

Dan: of Eric Banner. And she's, she's doing things that are probably, you know, you, even if you do have two, three, four of you, they're, they're dangerous to do. If you're on your own,

Cris: Yeah, dropping waterfalls and rapids and... Yeah ... "

Sidey: I don't really care. you

Dan: know, I'm just gonna go

Sidey: and- Yeah, it's quite cavalier.

Dan: Yeah, it's very cavalier

Sidey: But we- as the viewer, know that Taron Egerton is a star, so we're waiting for his return. Yeah And he... She's getting intimidated by that, that, that group of guys, isn't she? Yeah. And, and it's him that fucks them off. He turns up, and he's t- tells them to shoo, basically.

Dan: Well, no, we, we don't see that. We, we see that... Oh, in, in the convenience store, he's kinda giving them the, "I think she's okay, boys." But when she's out in the outback area and they're skinning a deer we find out a little bit later as she's canoed through and she's... We've also gone to the ranger's office who's warned her-

Sidey: Yeah. Don't go on your "

Dan: Don't, wouldn't go on your own. A lot of people don't come back, like, you know, and there's loads of posters of missing people."

Sidey: Yeah. which is a fairly, like, Significant. w-

Dan: Yeah. Lo- lo- loads of c- And she's, she's, you know, not put off. You know, people get lost out in these outback things. A- and as she's canoeing down and she gets to this certain area she camps up for the night. And when she, she puts her stuff on a tree branch her phone and her important kind of- Her backpack, yeah ... backpacks and everything, and it's gone. When she wakes up in the morning she's like, "F- flipping hell, where the hell has that gone?" Like, you know, it's completely gone. She heard a couple of sounds in the morning, but she doesn't see anything, and she, she heads back down the river.

Cris: I need a wee.

Dan: we...

Cris: Can we stop for two minutes? Is that okay?

Dan: Let's.

Cris: Is that all right?

Sidey: Sorry, Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We just need to clap. no, clap when it's- So yeah, she's been kayaking.

Dan: Her stuff's been nicked. And she, as she goes through the next kinda sep- set of rapids, she hits a, a nice calm bit. But from the camera's point of view, she's shot behind a, an ID card of one of the missing people that we've seen a poster of in the ranger's office, and it turns out it's a bit of a kinda graveyard of,

Cris: it's almost like a shrine

Dan: a shrine. Yeah. That's a better word. Yeah, it's, it's like a shrine for, for people. They've got ID cards, not just of one, of like, you know, seven or eight, nine people there. Lanyards,

Cris: all the... yeah, stuff like that, yeah. And

Dan: as she goes down a little bit further she finds another little place to, to settle up for the night. And

Cris: there's like a little camping area.

Dan: yeah. And she sees, I think it's the next morning she sees Ben turn up And he's just kinda making his way down in his kayak and No,

Cris: sh- she, she goes past his boat, but don't s- doesn't see anyone. Goes past, ties her kayak, and then kinda walks around, and then finds this kinda hut in the middle of nowhere, and he's at the edge of the river. And he looks surprised, "Oh, you're here. Oh." Jesus. "You made it. Oh, did I tell you the rapids were really good? They just drop you dr- right down here. It's, it's really good." And she says, "Yeah, I had a great time, but someone nicked my bag." He said, "Oh, that's such a shame. Have some food. I've got fish, I've got this, you know."

Dan: Wombats, like, you know,

Cris: yeah, wombats are stealing. And she's like, "Oh, yeah, I, I thought I had it high up in the..."

Dan: Ah, no, they'll get you every time, mate. Yeah ... and he's kind of being nice. He insists that she sit, sits and has some food. And then I always pa- A piece of water from the tree ... I always pack double what I need, so- Yeah you know, you can have, But it doesn't take her too long before she notices the bracelet that he's got on is her bracelet. Yeah. And he doesn't spend too long in,

Sidey: With almost denying it. Yeah ...revealing-

Dan: Yeah ... the fact that he's got all her stuff. He throws her bag out, and then he starts playing this tune-

Cris: Chemical Brothers.

Sidey: on his phone.

Dan: And he goes, "You got..." "

Sidey: You got..." The end of

Dan: out a crossbow. Yeah. And he goes, "You got till this song

Sidey: to get away,

Cris: As far as possible.

Dan: and then I'm coming after you."

Sidey: Human Predator.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: And he's Human Predator. I mean, he's absolutely terrifying, this guy, and he's not joking, and he's just starts kinda dancing to the music, head's banging. The tune's going off, and she starts running through the forest the, the jungle, trying to get into the kayak, and starts going away. But of course he knows every inch of this place, and

Sidey: McDundee crossed with a predator

Dan: It's like the same thing as in Desert. Yeah, everything's set up. He knows how to those rapids are gonna run and where to catch you up. And, and so starts for the next sort of 40 minutes of this film, a real cat and mouse kind

Cris: it's a chase really, right? Yeah

Dan: where You know, she's shot at with the arrows. I think one hits her in the backpack, but it doesn't obviously go all

Cris: in the leg. Just a little bit scrapes her leg

Dan: the leg and everything. And he's loving it. And at one point, she's looking at the binoculars through the binoculars- She kinda looks up and he's looking at, he knows- Straight through, yeah ... he knows that she's looking at him, and he's just smiling at her. And oh, it was a spooky kind of moment again.

Cris: And he keeps making these noises, like these animal noises.

Sidey: we're getting here.

Dan: Like the

Cris: bird. But not as nice as this, right? It's

Dan: like

Cris: like he- Yeah. He, he makes like proper... And then when

Dan: she hides in that little like

Cris: ravine, and he just does the, the pigeon like

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: And she's just right underneath it,

Dan: And it's like- ... oh,

Cris: mate. But because through the bino- bi- binoculars she can see where his boat is moored. Yeah. And where his

Dan: you get the feeling he knows this land so well. He is a step ahead the whole way. He knows... He's been through this a few times with different people as well. He's learnt from those what human nature will make you do a- and everything. There's one family, the Carter family that have gone missing.

Sidey: He

Cris: has a phone,

Dan: at one, one s- stage, he she hears some voices, and she runs up to it and she just finds the phone. And it's a trap, like- Yeah ... for, for him, and she's, she actually thinks, "Oh, are some people there. They can help me." But no, i- it's just a, he's lured her into it

Cris: it's a recording of Ben filming this family rafting down the river, and they're waving at him while he's

Dan: while he's recording ... yeah, take, taking them into his, his confidence and everything. And

Cris: she gets caught- She goes back to get the boat

Dan: Yeah. She get, she gets caught,

Cris: While he's out bollocko- He's- ... doing the dive in the river

Dan: That's right. He's, he's kinda swinging off a rope swing into the river. And she decides she needs to get the, Her kayak's gone, gone down river. She needs to get her kayak his kayak and, and escape

Sidey: It's a trap.

Dan: But she can't untie it in time before he finds out.

Cris: And she gets her leg caught,

Dan: bear trap- Yeah ... that's caught as she goes into into land to try and tie it o- untie it from, from land. And he's just, like, so happy with himself. He's caught himself another kind of victim, and he takes her into this,

Sidey: The Cave of doom ... cave. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. They, they, you know, they have to go down. It's quite an elaborate,

Cris: yeah, it's like a proper- ... walk ... pr- a proper hike, or what do you call it? It's called a hike.

Dan: hike. He's gotta climb down. But it's climbing down instead of climbing up. And they kinda go abseil down this this ravine, and they go in. He goes, "Oh, welcome to my bedroom." And he's got, like, a picture of his mum, one of those. Like, obviously a psycho just-

Cris: And you see the Carter family just hanging. The two kids are dead. Yeah. And the wife and the husband are just hanging, but like-

Dan: There's a few bodies, and you realize where he gets his b-

Sidey: Jerky his jerky

Dan: from.

Sidey: So she's eaten.

Dan: And she's already had a munch on

Sidey: She's, eaten Human flesh, yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: And it turns out so the reveal is that he is a proper cannibal. Yeah. And he's... he takes the liver. Liver, of his victims, and he believes that he can take on their Spirit and they will-

Cris: And whoever challenges him the most, those are the ones that will grow his spirit

Sidey: And his first victim was-

Cris: His mom ... his

Sidey: mother. his mother. So he believes she, she is still alive through him having consumed her liver. Yeah, So he's a pretty well a- well-adjusted young man.

Cris: And that's when we get the scene with the teeth

Dan: Yeah, we get the scene with the teeth, and he says, "You know that some tribes File away their, their teeth and and everything. And he shows this as she starts to try and, you know, get into him, "I think somebody must have really hurt you at some stage, and I think somebody must have really... And I'm so sorry for, for that to happen to you, Ben." And he shows his teeth and then he gets her hand and puts it in his mouth, and she kind of pulls it out, and he freaks out a bit and realizes, you know, that he's, he's weird and he's gross. And it, it

Sidey: Just a bit.

Dan: yeah, you know, he, he's, he, he runs off again. And as she's trying to soften him up because at this stage she's strung up and, and there is no way she's escaping.

Cris: Yeah. And, and we have to say she's... Her hands are tied together, and he has the chain.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: Like, they, they, they're... So it's, it's not like

Dan: could do anything, he could do anything to her at th- at this stage. What she does is bite his ear at one stage and,

Sidey: full Tyson ...

Dan: goes,

Sidey: yeah. He, Takes his ear off ...

Dan: manages to kind of get away. They

Cris: jump into the water ...

Sidey: this

Dan: jumps into the water ... rapids. They, you know, this almost Goonies kind of style rapids that spits her out and, Yeah ... is a huge drop into the river.

Cris: But before she drops, he connects the chain to his belt.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: So he can't, she can't get away too far

Dan: get away too far. But she does end up collapsing a, a rock on his leg and breaking his leg as they get onto,

Cris: kind of a fight

Dan: bit of a beach. Yeah. There's a bit of fight going on and, and she breaks his leg, and he's suddenly really vulnerable and goes, "Oh, I can't believe you broke

Cris: breaks her nose. He punches her in the, in the nose. He breaks her nose, and she breaks his leg with a rock.

Dan: Yeah. And, "I can't believe you broke my leg. Ah." And she's like, "Look," after a night where they're both exhausted and just, he can't move, and they're still

Cris: can't run away. He

Dan: still tethered by this kind of chain.

Cris: Psht.

Dan: she says "I could wait here until you die, but we've got to get that mountain today." Like, you know, I'm kind of wondering why she do- I suppose she just doesn't wanna wait four days until he dies. Yeah.

Sidey: Well, They have no supplies have they?

Dan: They have no

Cris: then she would be too weak to climb up that mountain. You're kind

Dan: thinking, "Well, go and find another rock, love, and, and just pelt him." Because he's, his leg is proper broken.

Cris: see the bone

Dan: sticking out. Like, you know, the bone sticking out. He ain't going nowhere.

Cris: And you can see the flies because that's what her point is, is like, "If we don't go today-" She's gonna get an infection "That's gonna get it, an infection. There's flies on it, and you're gonna definitely lose that leg, and you're gonna die anyway," so.

Dan: a wall similar to Troll Wall, I guess, that we came

Sidey: bookends the movie, isn't it?

Dan: and it's huge. And- She says, "Look, if I'm gonna lead this climb, we're gonna need this kind of harness-

Cris: A diaper

Dan: and you need, you need to, to follow me." He says, "Right, well, if I see you doing anything to, to that harness that's gonna be tethered to you, I'm gonna pull us both off this mountain." Like, you know. "Right, okay. That's the score." He said, "I promise I'll let you go when we get to the top."

Sidey: Seems like a trustworthy kind of guy.

Dan: s- you know, there's no reason not to think that won't happen. Yep.

Sidey: She uses a Prusik knot. Yeah.

Dan: Classic

Cris: Yeah, obviously. We knew that,

Sidey: yeah. Plus for the li- some of the listeners might not have known that, but-

Cris: but-

Dan: No.

Sidey: that's what she does, yeah.

Cris: We knew that.

Dan: Yeah. We knew that And they, they climb, and they climb bloody high. They must be three or 400 meters up, I guess

Cris: yeah. It's high, yeah. And

Dan: the bottom seems a long, long way down. And they've not got the tools that she had at the beginning. They've just got rope really. But they're, they're doing it. They're, they're making their way up, and even him-

Cris: using the carabiners. They're, they're both... She, she does at one point touches the, her harness. He pulls her straight down and he's like, "I told you not to touch it." And she's like, "Okay, whatever." And then when she climbs f-

Dan: o- o- Well, she's saying, "I was just, I was just kind of, you know-" Adjusting it ... getting... adjusting it Yeah ... I was getting it ready," like, but,

Sidey: She has got it all

Dan: what it is ... she, she is obviously finding a way in which she can release him. And at one stage they get to, like, this Mr. Miyagi tree branch at the at the top of... like, where Miyagi gets his bonsai from.

Cris: Yeah. He's- Yeah. But there's another, there's another kinda lip where she kinda goes on top, and sh- he can't see her, what she's doing. Yeah. So she attaches his rope,

Dan: the plastic- To that tree

Cris: prusik rope to the tree branch, and she tries to get the harness as soon as, as quickly as possible. Yeah. He pulls it, but he kinda... Instead of pulling her whole weight down, just kinda pulls the harness and then falls

Dan: She yeah It's kinda slipping, slipping off her then. And he realizes that his time is, is short, and we see him we see him take a terrible tumble and, and hit the rocks.

Sidey: But They they did have a conversation where she's ... but she speaks about Tommy, about the,

Dan: oh yeah, yeah,

Cris: Well-

Sidey: She speaks about her guilt and all that, about sh- maybe she could have held onto him a bit longer and stuff.

Dan: th-th-that's

Sidey: even though they're, a, they're, you know, victim and fucking prey and aggressor, they do have this

Cris: They do have a moment of

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: cathartic moment, Yeah, we are still outside. If you can hear these background noises like we can, there's there's a few weird juggernauts going by. It sounded something like from Wacky Races, that, going by.

Sidey: Yeah, but he is now dead.

Cris: She's only in her jeans, a tank top, and no shoes. Yeah. That's her only... So this is free solo. That's Alex Honnold, eat your heart out. She's- Charlize Theron.

Dan: and won't you know it, she's got a very similar lip to, To climb ... overcome. Yeah. Yeah. With no rope, no second chances

Cris: It's just, it just shows you

Dan: what- It's brutal

Cris: what burning your bridges do, does to you. If you don't have any other option-

Sidey: Just

Dan: Yeah. Yeah, no,

Cris: gonna have to do it. Is it reminded me this scene to The Dark Knight when when he climbs out the, the prison.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: reminded me- And

Cris: you don't have a rope, you take the leap.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: It reminded me of a, a time that I was climbing up in Simbera, I was by some rocks, but I tried to get over this leap and I just ended up retreating down because I

Cris: was- You couldn't get over

Dan: I was, it just didn't seem worth the, the risk to me. But,

Sidey: but she does make it over the lip this time, thank goodness. And she eventually finds, She's stumbling around for a while, but she finds a vehicle.

Dan: Yeah, and they're nice people

Sidey: thank goodness, and they take her back. She, fucking loud, that bird. She goes back to the ranger's office

Dan: You know, he gets, gets dropped at her car, goes back to the ranger office

Sidey: Tells them where all these v- these, these missing people are. Yeah. she

Cris: looks really rough because obviously her nose is broken, eye's

Sidey: been through

Cris: all that.

Dan: ranger guy doesn't instantly recognize her, does he? He goes, "Oh, well, y- how you doing, love? Are you all right?" She's definitely

Sidey: she then- So she, yeah, she leads them back to the cave to find all these people

Dan: And it's over the- as she's kinda driving down one of those big Australian roads where there's absolutely no one apart from her car. She's on the ra- on the radio, it's like all those missing deaths that were reported to be of the outback and the dangers of it is now being attributed to one guy who's-

Sidey: a psycho cannibal These

Dan: who's died at, at a scene. And pretty much fade to black then, isn't it?

Sidey: the end, yeah.

Dan: It's a 90 minute, 97 minutes. Yeah. It's not- Yeah ... a, a really, really long film. I did watch it in two parts, this. Oh, did you? Okay. Because it gets a little bit heavy and spooky, and it was nighttime, it was quite late, and I wanted to watch- Really? the rest of it in the day. I get-

Cris: this was actually quite-

Dan: It's an action film, it's a thriller, but it does, you know, it makes you twist your stomach a little bit, this. It's quite

Sidey: stuff's always a

Dan: Edgy sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Cannibal stuff, but also, you know-

Cris: The noises and the, yeah ... the noises and the- She's g- got that snake in the tent, which is always a

Dan: with these kind of films. Like, I don't mind watching with people a little bit, but oh, yeah, it was it was edgy. I mean, it was, I didn't think it was that bad ... there was loads going on.

Sidey: a lot was- going on. No. this is an action film really.

Cris: I actually, l- l...

Dan: again- Once you've seen it and you turn the sound down, it's in the daylight ... you know, you

Cris: day ... you know, we've seen enough of these films to know that she's gonna survive. Yeah. Right? So, so it's not... And, and the first time, I, I've never seen anything about it. When, when I was speaking to Kara, she's like, "Oh my God, yeah, I can't wait to see that because I've seen that. Have, have you seen the thing with the teeth?" And I was just like... The, so the only thing throughout the movie, I was just thinking, "What is the thing with the

Sidey: teeth?" Yeah.

Cris: Because she told me that before the film. So I've never seen anything about it. I didn't know what's going on. Initially, I thought this Taron whatever, Ben- Yeah ... would've been-

Dan: Ben

Cris: there to help her or whatever because he tells the guys to leave her alone or whatever. And then I kinda, you slowly realize that he's the bad guy, really. Yeah.

Dan: But I,

Cris: I didn't really think that I was ... Because you, you know what the outcome is gonna be. Mm. She's gonna beat him. So you just kinda wait to see how it all-

Dan: All pans out ... pans, happens- Yeah, yeah, right ...

Cris: and, and that. But look, for 90 minutes, I actually enjoyed this film.

Dan: Yeah. Twists, turns you do know what's gonna happen, and it's almost like the beginning, you know, is gonna come

Sidey: didn't expect him to be a cannibal. No. I knew he was gonna come back and be something like

Cris: No. Yeah.

Sidey: But it's very much like-

Dan: Well, once he's making the jerky, you know,

Sidey: True. Yeah, I really enjoyed it as well. It was good You see his ass. It's g- his- Yeah, yeah.

Dan: Strong ass. yeah

Cris: It was actually quite funny when you say that with the jerky, because the only time when I kinda ... No, I, I, I n- I still didn't know he was gonna be a cannibal, but when she goes to his camp, and he's there, and he's kinda showing her the river, and talking about her backpack and all that. And he's like, "Oh, you make your own jerky." And I was just thinking, "Where the fuck does he find his beef?"

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Do you know what? Be- because- No- nobody was really questioning that in the Outback convenience

Cris: because he specifically said it's Jenna's b- or-

Sidey: Johnny's jerky

Cris: Jenny's jerky ... Jenna's jerky or whatever.

Dan: named after his mother.

Cris: Yeah. And I was just thinking, "Well, I've seen the guys with the b- with the antelope or the, the deer or whatever. So, so if it would've been deer jerky, I kinda get that, right? But if you say it's beef jerky, this is the middle of nowhere. There's no beef.

Dan: Well, in, in New Zealand, you know, there's like, you know, more- Sheep ... sheep and, and cows and livestock-

Cris: Okay. But, but this is

Dan: But no, no. The- nobody was questioning it.

Cris: And the only question I have, I really enjoyed the film. I think it was, is s- strong recommend. But the only question I have is I've never been to Australia, right? So, so I can't really say anything. You've been to Australia. Yeah. Have you been to

Sidey: Australia? No.

Cris: No. Does it rain that often? Because it rained every other day in this film.

Sidey: Dunno.

Dan: I think they've got a rainy season. Yeah,

Cris: I mean- Oh, is that how it works?

Dan: yeah. So, our summer is their winter. Okay,

Cris: Yeah. And- So now would be-

Dan: it would d- it would definitely have- No, but

Cris: in the outback, in the fucking

Dan: the out- in the Outback they, they would definitely- Does it rain? They would definitely have, yeah, the wet- Okay,

Cris: good. Because that was my question, because e- every other day. So she gets there the first day, then it rains. She gets the second day, then it rains. The third, then it rain. Then it rains. So it's just like, fucking how much rain? What's going on here with the rain? I thought Australia's ... No,

Dan: it's not not dry all the time.

Cris: Okay.

Sidey: don't have any financial numbers, but it was shot entirely on location, so it's probably quite expensive. Charlize Theron did quite a lot of her own stunts as well Yeah, I think. Which is pretty

Dan: yeah Really? Yeah

Cris: She's in good nick though.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: How old is she now?

Cris: 50, 50

Dan: Is she? 55 maybe. Wow.

Sidey: Don't enti- not entirely sure, but,

Cris: she's

Sidey: she's good in this. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I'm gonna give it a strong recommend

Cris: Yeah

Dan: Well, I'll agree with that

Cris: Yeah. Strong.

Dan: Wow. Strong week.

Sidey: Yeah. good

Dan: was. I mean, Sai Pan, the mid-weeker Yeah ... and then we've had Gypsies. Yeah. And we've topped it off with the Apex. Exactly.

Sidey: I'm not sure who is, maybe Reeve's to nominate next?

Dan: may be young Sai, who's-

Sidey: know ... if he's gonna be able to pull something together while he's away partying in- Ibiza. Yeah

Dan: Pete's in French France. But we will have some more noms for you next week. So

Sidey: will. But All that remains for now is to say Sidey signing out.

Dan: Lara var där inne. Dan's gone