Motorcycles & The Motorcycle Diaries

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Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, the podcast that is to coherent thought as a sidecar is to aerodynamics. This week we're revving up for the top five motorcycles, a topic that will generate more dangerous vibrations than a washing machine full of angry badgers, more inappropriate leather than a fetish club's lost property office, and more rarely used protection than a 1970s BBC dressing room. From Akira to the world's fastest Indian, we'll be going from naught to insufferable, faster than Dan's knees give out when he gets up from the sofa. Wow. Yeah. But true though. Yeah, no, saying that's fast. Our main feature is Walter Salas's The Motorcycle Diaries, the true story of a young Ernesto Guevara and his friend Alberto Granado riding a disintegrating motorbike across South America, aided at every turn by people who ho who have nothing, and finding a continent of breathtaking beauty ground down by poverty and the systemic exploitation of the people at the bottom of it. It's a warm and genuinely affecting film that has the audacity to suggest the s systemic exploitation of the poor is bad, a position that in 2026 apparently still requires some courage to hold, though not quite as much courage as it takes to charge 40 quid for a Che Guevara t-shirt at SportsDirect. Listeners are advised that the following program contains strong language, spoilers, and opinions travelling well below the recommended intellectual speed limit. Protective equipment is recommended but will not be provided. Before we get any further down the road, let's meet this week's collection of middle-aged men who have absolutely no business being on any vehicle more powerful than a mobility scooter, starting with Dan, that I appear to have not put your joke in. So Dan looks like he's lost something as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:53

I have. Oh, but they're on my head. I've had that old man moment where I was looking for the glasses that are actually on my head.

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I can sort of half remember it. It was a you were being middle-aged, and before the concept of like yours was a well, it was a monocle before. You had a middle-aged crisis, you had a horse and a bit of a horsepower of one he start in there. Next up, stunning Chris, a man who sits through films the way most people sit through chemotherapy. Grimly quiet and counting the minutes until it's over. Whose ideal experience, cinema experience, is subtitled Violent and above all short. This week you'll get subtitles and dismemberment, though quite a lot of friendliness and compassion as well. Yeah. And then attempting to get his leg over a massive chopper in third place. Uh man who's seen more middle-aged men's helmets than an enthusiastic urologist, it's Sidie. Hello. And then there's me beaks. Hello. Hi, Saiy. Hi. Hi everyone.

SPEAKER_04 2:54

It's it is a motorboating week. Not really. It's more motorcycling. Motorcycling week.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

You've owned a motorcycle, Daniel.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

I've actually uh had limited experience on motor vehicles, and the first time I ever did uh ever got on a bike, it was uh a moped, it was in Goa in Calumko. Um probably 21, 22.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

It's always battling to me that you can ride a 50cc motorbike on the road at 16 years old, can't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:26

But I would drive a car, not until you're 17, but I was in my yeah, early early 20s, and I turned on I don't know if it was a 125 or it was a a 50, probably a 50, and I just went straight over the road into the nearest wall on the other side. Um and the guy who was hiring the bike just kind of looked at me and I just kind of sheepishly wheeled it back there and said, No, I don't think I'll bother. Um the next time I picked up a bike was about a year or two later, and I was in Cambodia, and I thought I've got to get to the No, I've got to try and do this. So I took a moped again. Uh another guy had a big kind of scrambler, and I liked the look of it, but I just couldn't handle that. And I just got my and I took that across the south of Cambodia and I taught myself how to to ride. Fair play. And and I survived. Tell the story. Yeah, well done.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

What about you, Chris? You got any motorbiking experience?

SPEAKER_01 4:23

I actually do have motorbiking experience, despite the fact that I don't own a driving license. Don't incriminate yourself. I was in Madagascar, uh to be fair. That was lawless out of the island. There were lucky. There's not really any roads, really, is there well in in the way we hired a scooter was in Nossi Bay, which is one of the Northern Islands. And you can it's kind of the it's kind of the size of Jersey, so you can kind of just drive it around and uh the roads are shit. You can't really just give it gas, and I didn't really care about that either. And it was quite funny because uh they didn't ask for ID, they didn't ask for anything, they just wanted, are you gonna give us money? Yes. How much? This much. Are you gonna bring it back on Tuesday? Yes. My day. That's all they wanted. Yeah. This is 2019 though, so it's a while ago, but it was yeah, it was good. And the helmets that they gave us, I was with my girlfriend at the time. There were one was a cycling helmet, yeah, and the other one was a skateboarding helmet. Nice, that'll do the job. So we we just instills confidence, doesn't it? Yeah, I was I was I mean they take your passport or something. Nothing, not even an ID, zero.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

No, they didn't care. Those bikes were wearing jacks.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

They were stolen anyway. I don't know. I I didn't really care. I just because we went to a few of them, and you know, I think people in these kind of countries, that's my opinion, but I think they look at you how you are dressed or how you look, and they make a price.

SPEAKER_05 5:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

And the first two places I was like, I can hire that for that kind of money in Spain, not here. Yeah. And I just was I look I'm l I'm looking for somewhere cheap. And the guy we had like a guide, whatever, and the guy's like, oh, I know where you go. And these guys were like, mate, whenever are you gonna bring it? Yes, okay, fine. And that was it, job done. So I do have experience, well, despite the fact that I don't actually know how to drive.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

So we've got a two we're almost ready to get a biker gang to together. So No, I don't like them. Yeah, you ever been on one? No. Never been on one.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Don't like them. I don't like the people who are enthusiastic. Okay. I think they're shit, yeah dangerous, annoying, fucking loud twats. Either get a car or a push bike, don't combine the two. Okay. Fuck off. All right.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Have you been on any of them? When I was about eleven, I went to Alex Agalley's and he had a big field at the back of his place and he had a dirt bike, and he put me on this thing, and I grabbed the throttle and I went about 30 miles an hour across the thing, terrified, crying and screaming. I think I was about 11, so I think I got my mum and dad to come pick me up and take me home afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

I have another I have another one that I've been on a motorbike. One of the boys that I when I was growing up, I used to play football with. He was in his 30s and I was maybe like 18 or something, 17. And we used to play, they used to play for money, and he would get me to play with them because I was fit and I could actually play. And he had a Kawasaki ninja, okay, which was a powerful motorbike. And we would go sometimes to the when we would play on the 11th side, he would be on and I would be behind him. And long story short. No, yeah, no. He's not no, we was Polo. He we he's done it once where he was like, Oh, are you okay? Can we give it a bit of gas? And honestly, he just went from just driving normally to just flying, basically. And I nearly pissed myself. Yeah. And he did uh uh towards the end, he took his hands off the wheel and he kind of just did the shimmy, and the bike just kind of did a bit of that. I don't know how to say it. Wobbled. Wobbled, and I had a massive wobble as well. I'm pretty sure there was a little turtle head in my pants.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Yeah, yeah, and then scary bites.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

And then he went three weeks later, he went to the seaside with his this girl, and they ended up under a lorry in the motorbike. And apparently I I didn't see it, but apparently this girl's boob was kind of hanging off.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

Hanging off, like upside down like that because she fell and she kind of scraped on the Yeah, so both the things we watched this week, like Akira, obviously that's animated, but there's quite a few motorbike crashes in that and the motorcycle diaries. I've come off all the time. I've come off my pushbike a few times. Yeah it fucking hurts. You know, it needs to go these you know they must be in some fucking bad ways.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Well, I I've been in a couple of on the back of motorbikes that have fallen in Cambodia. I did run somebody else's bike, me, Yana, and this this other guy, and uh exhaust just burnt against my leg. I had a a massive kind of scar there for ages, had to stay in a hammock for weeks just recovering, relaxing as much as I could. Um tough times indeed. But you I'm I'm with you actually, Sido. I'm not a massive fan of him. In Thailand, they're everybody's really cool and they go out on them all the time. But I like a beer and I'm not gonna. It's right in Thailand, you can have a beer in the world. Yeah, well that's it. So that that's the problem. I mean, recently there's been you know, every every week people are dying on the roads out there in going out, no helmets, yeah, all the rest of it. So they they a little bit scare me as well.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

The what about do you know I know at least two men who hit 50 or above and then bought motorbikes in a like you know, obviously that is the cliche.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Well, that's when I bought mine. Uh I know a few have gone the moped route, like the proper mod run to Brighton type thing, which is equally tragic, I think. But yeah, that's not a joke.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

I prefer a moped to a motorbike. I like some, you know, the the Honda Hero bike. If if in India that's if I was gonna get one, that's what I would get. And you've got the the M field as well. I like the Lamborghini. I just know that I'm not a good enough driver, and there's too many idiots.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

And you do feel very you do feel very open, you know. You can make probably on one of those big bikes. You can't even make one mistake. You've come off that the high speed.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Oh yeah, this is cute. I like this. The Honda Hero, that's nice. That's good. Alright, yeah, I like that. That's yeah, but yeah, I wouldn't. I mean, if I haven't got a license for a car.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

I think I've got a license because when I pass my test, you've got loads of stuff bundled in, so I think I can drive maybe even a one two five. I think it's a one-two-five. This is crazy, but I would die. Watching stuff. I I guess we've all just really watched a bit of World Cup, really, have you?

SPEAKER_03 10:32

I've watched a couple of things as well though, actually. I've watched Widows Bay, the first episode of the it's an Apple TV sort of comedy horror series. Strong recommend. Yeah, it's quite funny actually. I quite enjoyed that. Okay. And I watched last week, I forgot to tell you about this, was Ladies First. It's the Sasha Baron Cohen Netflix where he's he's not been fully cancelled, has he? He's come back. Yeah, yeah, but they keep kind of cancelling, you know, going for him.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

But what are they cancelling him for? What has he done? Yeah, he had the thing with Rebel Wilson, didn't he? And I've been watching that film next week, it's the norm.

SPEAKER_04 11:06

What what did he have with her? Sorry, I I'm I'm missing.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

But I don't think he's ever reached a meaningful conclusion. No. Okay. She seems like an unreliable witness from other things that are going on, but I don't know. Is the only kind of getting into the whole victim?

SPEAKER_03 11:21

Yeah. Anyway. His film, the film is terrible. Yeah, but I was gonna say, is the film good or no, no, no, no. He's like this like real toxic masculine. Who's the chick in it? Rosamond Pike. That's right, she's he's like this really toxic sort of CEO of an advertising company, really like hates women and pays lip service to any kind of feminism and that sort of stuff, and then he slips on the pavement outside. Charles Dance is in it as well. Can you believe it? And Richard E. Grant, honestly. And slips on the pavement and smacks his head when he comes to, he's like in a world where women are in charge.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Oh, I've seen the trailer for this. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

It's just women behaving like blokes. It's not like anything different. Not women just being sensible or that. Or not even or just playing up tropes of say toxic femininity or something like that. They're just behaving like blokes and just reversing the situation. So instead of he's a drama king, not you know, that sort of level of humour. It's like I watched it with like a sort of horrible fascination. So, yeah, strong recommend for that.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Okay. Okay. I've watched a thing which I think I told you when we met in the pub during the week. I watched a film which is on Amazon Prime called Americana, it's with Sidney Sweeney, and there's do you know what I don't want to offend him because I actually really like this guy, and I was gonna call him fat, but he's actually just quite chubby.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Stand up for the guy in the film that we watched. Yeah, I was gonna say that.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

And I will tell you his name because he's got really good. I I love his accent, and he's Paul Walter Hauser.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

Oh yeah. I I called him a dick on I said I he used to be cool because his political views are really horrible, but he's really cool. I like him as an actor. I don't know. I don't I don't know his. He was in Aetonya. Do you remember the security guard in Aetonya? The he was brilliant in that. I have to look him up, but oh you'd you'd really he's just unfortunately he's all MAGA and all that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

There's Halsey, which I've never heard of this. Is this a Holsey? Holsey yes.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

That's a rapper, is it?

SPEAKER_01 13:15

American singer-songwriter. I've never heard of this woman in my life, but she's in this, and and this is how she looks like, if anyone has ever seen her before. I've both seen her. Yeah. Anyway, she's in it with that guy, with Hauser, Paul Hauser, and Eric Daint, blah blah blah. There's some p actors. Yeah, it's a lot of things. And it's uh it's a do you know what? It's a kind of like a crime western hillbilly film, and they all speak kind of southern and it's quite but it's actually I'm gonna say it was actually quite good. Okay. The only thing that is really unbelievable is that Sydney Sweeney's got this, she looks the way she looks, and then there's no boobs, she only always wears a shirt and like she's all tucked in. But she has a stutter, and throughout the film, it just makes it really hardly believable that she has that stutter. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

Well, she was doing that thing where she wanted to prove that she could act, you know, for a little while, so she would maybe do that. She did the boxing one, it was a massive flop. Yeah, it was big. And then so she's just gone back to Euphoria's playing and OnlyFans going at it out the time.

SPEAKER_03 14:20

Pressing as a baby and sucking on a lollipop in a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

What was that particular fetish for the um splodging or something with the ice cream drippings that uh kept talking about?

SPEAKER_04 14:30

Sounds like your sort of area. No, don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Sploshing. I don't remember. I think I've been sploshing.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

I watched that and and it's it's it's good. There's a really good scene at the beginning where the kid, there's a kid that he claims he's the reincarnation of a sitting bull. Okay. And he shoot well, he doesn't actually shoot him, he does an arrow. Yeah, he throws the arrow, he he kills this guy, his his mom's boyfriend. He kills his mom's boyfriend, the the the man has a gun, but he and he's like, Fuck, I can't believe you killed me, kid. As he dies with an arrow in his heart, so it's quite good. So yeah, that that I watched that. And that's it. Jeff just woke up from me.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

We had we were like plowing through the pit, and I think we've got six episodes to go, season two, but I didn't watch any more of it this week.

SPEAKER_04 15:15

Um watched a little bit of that last one, laughing. I can't be bothered with that. Um it's actually I know very yeah, some some funny motions.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

I've just seen the the clips that I want to see of I just really want to watch Bob More than I'm not interested in the rest.

SPEAKER_04 15:30

Should we talk about some modern boys? There is there is something funny about not being able to laugh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

And I really enjoyed it. Sam Chapman, I think is named. I do a really strange guy. Uh very funny.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Have you ever seen him when he was on Taskmaster? He was really good on Taskmaster.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

I've never really watched any Taskmasters. Oh, it's good.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

He's the Australian boy. Oh, everyone's kicking off about the new series because it's got Richard Iowadi. And Matt Lucas. Yeah. Because he did Blackface 20-something years ago.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

As far as I can work out, Richard Iowadi's crimes not being horrible to Graham.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

So the the righteous ones are saying that they should be not on the show. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I mean I don't find Matt Lucas particularly funny, but he did something twenty years ago when culturally was very different, and he has apologised for it and he has moved on to get over it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:21

Well then the Little Britain kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Where it's the funniest thing in the world at the time, wasn't it? Everybody was like, oh, everyone looked at a different lens now, and you wouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

You wouldn't make you wouldn't make it now. So anyway. But there was still some of that stuff that was pretty sharp. I mean, even if you didn't like them, like I wasn't a big fan, but Andy and Lou, whatever it was, the wheelchair guy in Impossible Situations was I've never really got with David Walms.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

So no, and he is sex pesty, horrible man. Yeah. Anyway, should we talk about some motorcycles? Let's do this. Right, top five motorcycles. I'm amazed that we've not done this before. Maybe we haven't we've just forgotten about it. But anyway, we're going to do it again if we've got to.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

We have to get our AI to parse out all the uh top fives from the Yeah, well, we have got a new website.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

What?

SPEAKER_02 17:01

Yeah, yeah, universe.baddadsfilm.com. Universe. So you can go into that and you can ask it to give you a film recommendation. Right. If things that Dan likes and it'll tell you all the films that Dan likes or films with monsters at Christmas. So you think like that. You can ask.

SPEAKER_04 17:17

You could go to what's that website again? Universe.baddadsfilm.com. And you could go, what is Dan's favourite film? And you could then tune your lip. Cats will come straight. Okay. It'll be right at the top there.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

It'll show you a picture of you licking your own balls.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

So it's really accurate.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

And also alignment that we've recorded nearly six million words of gibberish throughout the years.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

And we haven't used AI for it. We've painstakingly gone through this so you can have them all out on your type, right? Exactly. Top neck style. Yeah. So when people think that we've been working, we haven't. We've been doing this.

SPEAKER_05 17:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

One of the first motorcycles that I thought of was the Harley Davidson Fat Boy.

SPEAKER_03 18:12

It's a well-known motorbike. What movie was that?

SPEAKER_02 18:16

I'm thinking of I Need Your Clothes, Your Boots, and Your Motorcycle from Arnie and Terminator 2 Cole on Judgment Day.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

Yeah, okay. I was thinking about okay, yes, yeah. T2. I did have that down as well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

He does the glasses, which I think he then does in three with the kids, glasses.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

Well, I think he rips off on motorcycles on all the Terminators, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_02 18:38

But this one is where he is tracking the T 1000s, and we get that fucking unbelievably great sequence through the like the viaduct, aqueduct, yes, the LA where Grease Lightning was filmed. T one thousand's in the big fucking 18-wheeler. Yeah. And he's on his Harley, but he's also doing the one-handed reloads of the shotgun whilst riding it, shooting the gates so he can go through, shoots the wheels out.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

And this is where you see some of the extent of the new Terminator's powers when he's blown up in the truck and then emerges to regenerate.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

And you think it's my lord, you can't beat him. I think at one stage he picks up the kids and just puts him on the motorcycle as he's driving. It's fucking great.

SPEAKER_04 19:19

At some stage you thought, this guy's never gonna beat Arnie, and then you realise, oh, wait a minute, okay, he's got a few more tools in his belt than Arnie does. I think this is Pete Arnie, I think.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Yeah, I think, and has there ever been a more like perfect combination of actor and role than Arnie at that time?

SPEAKER_02 19:37

And also the pivot from like Assassin Robot to Hero Robot is great as well. Yeah, it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_04 19:44

It's it because they blend it into the film, they all freak out when it's it no, this time like I'm just a standard issue. They've sent me back. This would have been reprogrammed to be good.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

The same way that Marvel did with Endgame, this would have to come out with like, please don't spoil this for people who don't because you know then you didn't really even have the internet. No, right? And so people would have probably still gone to the cinema, hopefully not knowing that he was going to be. Possibly, but I would it would have been you could have maybe gone in cold. Yeah, much colder than these days. Well it would have been cool to do that. So yeah, Harley Davidson, fat boy.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Cool to go in cold. Reigs, what you got? I bought a vampire motorcycle. Yeah, and that is my film. I don't know if you remember this one. It was Neil Morrissey back in the 90s. It starred I remember watching this. Then it was two years before he went on to do Men Behaving Badly. Men Behaving Badly. And this one starred Anthony Daniels, who of course was C3PO. It was like I remember watching this on a late night sort of channel four type thing, hoping to find tits and uh not finding tits, finding a really bad movie about a vampire motorcycle that kills people in Birmingham. Because like I think you just if you're in Birmingham, you just want to kill people, I guess. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Well else, or if not people yourself.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

Yeah, exactly. There's like some comically bad one. I remember a tea lady getting crushed and some other bits and pieces. The Norton commando that they used in it was a genuine rarity, and the director was haranged afterwards for uh pranging it about on the set. Haranged?

SPEAKER_04 21:27

What does harangued mean? Hassled. Yeah. Okay. Right. Well this is uh no haranguing to talk about this one. Two bikers try out their journey from LA to New Orleans. Easy Rider? Easy Rider. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

That's the Captain American Chopper, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 21:45

Yeah, you've got Dennis Hopper, you've got Peter Fonda, you've got uh a young Jack Nicholson making Steen sea ceiling steen scene stealing moments, even. That was it had the uh the

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Stars and stripes painted on the fuel tank, isn't it? Yeah. I've got a picture of it. Oh, have you? I looked at a picture of it earlier today, but it's it's it's got that real, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

I mean it's easy rider, so it's proper lean back style with the wide handlebar where you just got. Yeah, it's all chrome apart from the the fuel tank, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:18

And you know, it's the the hippie movement and it was real drugs. Real drugs used in the city. Dennis Hoffman was in full psychopath mode during this period of his life. He's got a method on on everything. And yeah, it was I mean the the bikes were absolutely amazing. They were the Harley Davidson kind of things, but it actually had dirt bikes and they had a Bolteco Persang. So totally different bikes. They had police bikes used in there as well. And they all went on auction years later, and people bought them in auctions, and I'm sure they're all worth millions now, probably a couple of million in in museums. But the chopper was the one that that everybody kind of remembers because Nicholson was just cruising along and he had that kind of bucket helmet on, looking absolute mad cap it on the back of the bikes, and Dennis Hopper drives it a lot, doesn't he? Yeah, Dennis, well, Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda are on the bike and hit they pick up Nicholson hitchhiking, don't they? I don't remember it all that well. It's there's a really weird kind of psychedelic scene in there, which you know, you think actually now uh going back to it, how how well they captured it and everything. But it was, I mean, when I was watching it, yeah. They're absolute yeah, they're absolutely off their head. But yeah, it was you know uh a classic motorcycle movie going through America, and there's that scene where they're just taken out of the end on on bikes as well. So um yeah, a classic, and the the soundtrack is is fantastic as well.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Christian? I've got a a classic, a classic from 1963. Okay. Um with with a great actor who is somewhere on these walls, Steve McQueen. Steve McQueen jumping the great escape. The great escape that has to be done, it has to be said. Apparently, the motorbike is a Triumph TR6 trophy from 1961. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is what the internet told me. I obviously I've seen the film and I loved it. I didn't know this, but apparently the person riding the bike in the film is not Steve McQueen himself.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

Who was an excellent motorcycle?

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Although apparently he was really good.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

Well, he had a he has the original patent on the bucket seat. Does he? Yeah. Okay. Racing bucket seat. That was Steve McQueen. Yeah, well. He had a big passion for it.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

He he really loved it, but apparently the studios were like, We're not gonna let you do too much study insurance. And apparently there was the the rider was a guy called Bud Edkins. Eakens. Bud Ekins, he was a friend of him and the California off-road desert racing champion. So there you go, that's what the internet told me. But the film that was pretty much the first one I thought when you said motorbikes. I think I don't think there's a more classic film than than that who has such a handsome man on a motorbike.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Such a dad film as well, yeah. Yeah. Full dad. I've got a couple of Kawasaki's for you. Kawasaki GPZ900R. Okay. Tom Cruise missile. Yeah. And Top Gun, riding around with his aviators on to carry Kenny Loggins. And yeah, in the photograph I'd got, he's not wearing a helmet. No. But he was, you know, something of a maverick.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

That yeah. That scene as well. Just I even you just can't think not think of hotshots. Yeah. He's going alongside with the speed bunts and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

And then we have the Karaz hang on, it's the Karazaki Z1000. That's the toe-cutters gang in Mad Max, the original.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

They kind of look a little bit like police bikes in a way. They've got that windshield that comes up, they call that the wind something or other, I think they call them in bike worlds. Uh so they don't look quite as cool as Tom Cruises and the guy's wearing a crash helmet, which makes him a nerd. But a couple of Kawasaki's nice. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

Did anybody ever watch Street Hawk?

SPEAKER_02 26:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

That was a classic from the childhood, 1985.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Seems very probable that you could steer the bike at that speed.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

Who was in that? Greg Smith was the actor. I looked it up to date his name. Jesse Mack, an ex-motorcycle cop reassigned to desk duty after a serious knee injury sustained in the line of duty. He's secretly recruited by federal agent Norman Tuttle to field test Street Hawk, a government prototype bike. Because he had Night Rider. Well, this is I'm coming onto that, I'm going to say, but this thing was capable of 300 miles an hour and via a system called Hyper Thrust. Do you remember it went so fast it left its light behind? Right. It went, oh man, it was so good. I'm getting excited. It had a nose-mounted particle beam, machine guns, rocket launchers. It ran for 13 episodes in a single season up against Knight Rider and spectacularly failed. It was a big hit though in India and Argentina, where in Argentina it was released as the Fantastic Motorcycle as part of a shared universe of the Fantastic Car, Night Rider, and the Fantastic Helicopter. That's because they're wolf, because there's wasn't there Blue Thunder as well. Was that a film? That might have been a film. That was a film, I think. So yeah, that in Argentina, that was a shared universe of Street Hawk. What'd he be in? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

That's pretty good, I'm gonna say the Night Industries Kit 1000 or whatever the fuck. Yeah, uh awesome.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

Yeah. And the bike they used was a Honda XR500 chassis. Wow. There you go. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Well, I'm going into the the real world of Evil Kinevil. Yeah. You remember Evil? Yeah. I do. He was literally the daredevil. Do you ever remember Evil Kinevil?

SPEAKER_02 28:02

Was it some of that got as far as wankers like jumping around the fucking White House lawn of the weekend? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:08

On the UFC kind of stuff. Well, he was Evil Kinevil. You put up a picture of the White House in front of the White House for them to jump. Yeah. The classic stuff. It's um, I mean, Evil Knievel would jump over like 14 buses and stuff like that. And I think he even went to jump over the Grand Canyon at one point. I'm pretty sure he did, yeah. He had a go. Did he make it? I'm not sure he had a parachute. Yeah, it was kind of a parachute. Um the skyscle X2 for the jump, but the parachute uh deployed early, and then the drag prevented it from reaching his landing spot. He survived, but everybody were just like shouting at him like that's rubbish. It's like he's just jumped off the fucking yeah, like amazing. But he broke like every bone in his body at least once. He was putting it on the bottom.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

Yeah, there's a famous x-ray of his like there's an x-ray, and you can see like all the screws and metal plates and everything.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

Yeah, the only bone he hasn't broken is his peen.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Well, that's because it's an organ.

SPEAKER_03 29:13

And they had Duke Kaboom in the Toy Story movie, if you remember he was Keanu, he was the basically evil canible toy, wasn't it? Yeah, um great name, Duke Kaboom.

SPEAKER_04 29:22

Yeah, they they put metal rods in his bones and they said they would never be able to jump again, but as soon as he got the hospital, he's he said to all the press, Yeah, I'll be jumping the Grand Canyon. Like, I mean, he just he had no stretch of him in. Yeah, he had no off button. It was just an absolute daredevil and certainly worth a mention in the in the motorcycle bad dads episode.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

That is correct. You mentioned Kawasaki and you mentioned Tom Cruise. Yeah. In Mission Impossible 3, there's a uh a chase in the Mission Impossible 3 Rogue Nation. Sorry. It's he's on a Kawasaki S1000 in the hills of Casablanca, and he's chased by the Syndicate's people, and he is only in his Hawaiian shirt, sunglasses, and all these obviously, and all these other dicks are on with helmets and leathers and also knee pads and all that. And he uh he does his own stunts, as we all know. Tom Cruise is a legend, yay, and uh he on the there is a scene where he the the way they turn in real life on a motorbike. There's a reason why they have the padded knees. Yeah, because they kind of hit their knees on the floor to hold themselves up or whatever, and he does exactly the same, but with his jeans. With his jeans, so he's he his knees are padded naturally, I think. Yeah. No. So I've got that as a it's a quite nice looking motorbike, really, to be fair. And it that is also a Kawasaki. And I've got another Kawasaki, ZZR250, in Kill Bill, volume one, when she rides in the streets of Tokyo looking for the crazy 88 and Oren Ishi E.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Oren Ishii, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

On a yellow Kawasaki ZR250.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

It's painted the Bruce Lee colours, isn't it? Yellow and black.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like bright yellow, flashy. It's really cool actually. And it's it's apparently this model is really comfortable for long distance riding. That's what they said about your mum, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_04 31:34

Wow. And that's why people tune in. And when you say people, you mean sidey.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Yeah. Um what about right, so there's a trilogy of films starting with Batman Begins, and in that one he gets his car.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

The Bat Pod, I think it's the Tumblr, isn't it? The car it's called or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:56

And then it that carries through into the second film, but it gets blown up by I think a rocket launcher, maybe by the Joker. Yeah. Um and it says on its little display that you know it's gonna fucking explode.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

That's when he's chasing him with the in the semi, isn't it? And he because he comes out the uh he comes out on the bat pod thing, a motorbike.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

Yeah, and he so it's it comes up on the display saying, you know, the car's fucked, you know, whatever. And he starts to like manoeuvre his way down into the into the footwell. Yeah. And then the kids are I think the kids are watching, and it sort of does then kind of like disintegrate, but from the ashes of it, he scoots away on his bat pod motorcycle thing. It's got two fucking enormous wheels. Yeah. And at one point he sort of drives it up vertically onto a wall and pivots it round and then drives off again.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

He's along the roofs as well and stuff, isn't he?

SPEAKER_02 32:42

He uses it to attach a wire. It's a great sequence. I wish I'd seen it in IMAX. When the Joker's in the that grey big 18 wheel again and he attaches a metal cable to it around some lamppost, and then we see the whole thing, which they did practically does it, no one does everything practically like flip this fucking huge thing and then it crashes down and he's there on his bike.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Fucking rad. It's got machine guns to either side, in fact, I can see it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Nice. Cool. The Ducati 996, driven by Carrie Ann Moss in The Matrix Reloaded. It's one of my favourite motorbike scenes of all time when they're escaping on the freeway and she has to drive oncoming traffic, man. Into oncoming traffic at full speed with the key maker on her back, leading to an epic showdown. And she looks so hot in her leathers and uh It's got that mad green filter on the whole look of it, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely brilliant. And dunno, probably just coming up to nom soon, I would think.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

Well, I've got my nom and it's a beauty. I've seen this film probably two or three times, and it's not Care Bears the Movie? Sorry?

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Care Bears the Movie?

SPEAKER_04 33:50

Uh two or three, not five or six, yeah. No, it's uh a guy called Roger Donaldson. You may have heard of him from Cocktail. Um he did uh The Bounty, he did Dante's Peak. Okay. He also did the Bert Monroe biopic. Tell us more. Yeah, we're gonna need a bit more information. You don't know who Burt Monroe is. Maybe but give me a big one. Bert Monroe is a motorcycle racer from New Zealand, famous for setting the speed uh land speed record, and Sir Anthony Hopkins played in in the world's fastest Indian, um, which is a really sweet kind of film. He was his his record still kind of stands. I mean he made it at Bonneville. They were just he was like 60 odd years old, divering in his his garage playing with sort of this bike, and he didn't know anything about how to enter, he just knew he had a really fast bike and he wanted to do it for the purest reasons of I just want to race it. Like you know, and and you go across these sand flats in in Bonneville because they're they're huge, just over kind of they're they're massive, you're right, they're bigger than huge, and they're flat, and you can just keep on going and going and going. And and so he gets there, he spends all his money, he's been saving up. He gets on a boat from New Zealand, he takes his boat over, he goes there, and they just think he's some divoring old man, like who's got a bike, and he goes, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he knows everything about bikes and he's kind of zooped it up. I I'm sure that's the right terminology. I'm sure. Um and he ended up going back years and years afterwards setting new land speed records. He did 10 visits in the end and he set speed three speed records, as I say, one of us still stands, uh, and he was like 68 years old when he he did that on a 47-year-old motorbike um that he had just zooped up, zooped, I think. And uh it was the world's fast Indian uh 2005 film, and it was a bloody excellent New Zealand. It cost around seven mil New Zealand dollars for the uh for the film and it made like 20 bajillion, you know, 20 bajillion mil. I don't know we've ever done it for the pod. I think we have. We have not. We have not? Then it's is have you ever seen it? No. Never seen it?

SPEAKER_01 36:22

Still not. I think that's is it the one where where he where his motorbike he's kind of lying flat on it and he kind of drives it like that.

SPEAKER_04 36:30

He he kind of, yeah, goes on.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

He's almost like he's almost like it's also memorable.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

Pisses on his lemon tree um a lot and he's he encourages the kid next door to do it while he's away. He goes, Would you come and piss on my lemon tree? Piss on my lemon tree while I'm away. Okay. Um and um or maybe the lemons, doesn't it? Apparently, it might be pears, but either way. Is there nitrogen? Is there a little nitrogen in pears? There might be nitrogen. Oh, there you go then. Piss it. Piss, piss, piss. Uh yeah, that would be my nom. And maybe I will nom that then now that I know that you have not nomed it. Nommed it. Nom nom.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Christian. I've got a few honourable mentions, and I have my nom. Uh a film called Priest with Paul Bettany. Yeah. This it's quite a lot of motorbike content in that because everybody's pretty much he's like a sci-fi.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

He's an angel, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 37:31

No, he's not an angel. He is the it's like a utopian future where he is uh almost like the judge dread of the I thought it was angels and demons.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

He's got some bikes in there.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

There are demons, but the the the demons are dead. Yeah. So so they don't they technically don't exist, and he's kind of just like a a rogue ex-priest because he's hasn't got a purpose. He doesn't hunt these creatures anymore because all the hives and all that have been disused. But then I can't remember how, but he finds out that one of them is still in use and there's a a building of an army of all these zombies.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

He basically set at a diner, isn't it? Out in the middle of nowhere, priest, I think, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Uh it's a lot on motorbikes, and he kind of goes and into the hive and it kills a lot of of these zombie-looking creatures. Yeah. And there's there's a lot of them, and he has like really cool glasses, and it's kind of like a it's kind of like a Mad Max meets Judge Dredd kind of thing. Okay. If I remember correctly. I've seen it, I've definitely seen it. And it's I actually thought it was quite good. It's filmed in almost like that CPR look as well, where it's where it's almost black and white, but it's not black and white. A shout out to Ducati again. There's uh Ducati Sport 1000 in Tron, the 2010 one. Tron Legacy. Yes, in that one. And there's also Ducati, but it's a newer model in the one we did for the pod in Tron Harry's, where they leave the light behind, and that's the Ducati as well.

SPEAKER_04 38:54

Well, we've been sponsored by Ducati, this this pod, so thank you very much for the bikes, Ducati. We really enjoyed them.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

I've also got a Honda L in a in a book that I know you've read, but it's a film called The Girls with the Dragon The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo. Oh, yeah. And she drives a Lisbeth Salander. Her. Yeah. She drives a Honda C L. Yeah. And then I've got my nom.

SPEAKER_04 39:17

Well the the Honda Hero 100 was a bike that I wanted to mention, which is pretty much heavily featured in in Indian movies, and Salman Khan, I think, is in an early advert for him, and they are the coolest bikes. I might have shown you earlier on on the interweb.

unknown 39:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

The norm is I don't actually know the motorbike. I think it's a Harley Davidson. It's in a film called Pulp Fiction. And it belongs to Zed.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Zed on a bite baby is a chopper. Chopper. It's not a bite baby, it's a chopper.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Can I have that though? Yes, yeah, of course. That's just what he says, isn't it? I know, I know. I knew Zed says that. So so that I I I didn't actually do the research on that one. I just wrote it down because I I thought that was pretty much the first one I thought of. And I'm I was surprised no one said that yet. We don't get to see it actually get like driven or I don't know. Just a little bit when he tears off about that. Yeah, just at the end, but nobody really you can see Zed just parking it and then you see the keys and you see him at the end.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

I think you see him at the motel with it outside.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

Yeah, when he's waiting for Adrienne or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

Adrienne. Yeah. Forgot to mention it very remiss of me, but we did have a lot of chat about holidays from last week's pod. Oh, did we? On Discord. Yeah. What do people say? Breachy waded in and said, Can't believe you didn't mention Adam Sandler, whose entire Netflix contract is made of films where it's integral to the plot that he goes on holiday. Yes, that's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

So she's since Apart from that passable one. Or did it go on holiday? They range from the extremely average, the rom coms like Murder Mystery 2, etc., to some of the worst films that any human has ever made ever, going overboard, grown-ups, etc. With one exception, it's probably Hotel Transylvania 3, which is of course a masterpiece. Um have you ever seen Just Go With It's where he was looking at Uncut Gems.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

It was Uncut Gems. That was quite good, Adam Sandler one.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

So the the she's Vicky says, Have you ever seen Just Go With It? Probably the most egregious example of him going on holiday in a film just for zero reason. Nice. Plus it's about eight hours long. And then Darren says a holiday top five without the longered Friday. And then Mel chimes in saying holiday's gone awry, Wolf Creek, yeah. Oh yeah. But it's very awry. And the beach, and of course Apex, which we did actually talk about. Yeah. So we'll go. So there's that. So you mentioned Tron, but didn't mention the light cycles. Yeah. Was that gonna be a knob? No. Okay, because they're cool. They leave behind a trade of light, which if you go into it, it's like a physical or it can actually just cut you in half like a blade. Like a laser. Um, which is pretty cool. Okay. Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. Him and his dad in the sidecar.

SPEAKER_03 42:02

That's what I was thinking of in this week when I was in this week's intro.

SPEAKER_02 42:05

Yeah, I like that. And they both look very handsome. I think at one point he has the father has to get out and waft his umbrella.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

I heard, I don't know if it's true, that he improvised the line, She Talks in Her Sleep. Oh really? You know, when they're handcuffed together or whatever, and he's like, Oh, I heard about she's the sexy German thing that Indy's been banging. Yeah. And the father's like, Oh, she talks in their sleep.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Uh well, that's the musical ones. Yes. A leader of the pack. Yeah. Um guy fucking stacks it and dies in song form. Bat Out of Hell. Yeah. Yeah. But actually written by a guy called Jim Steinman. Um there's a lot of motorcycle vibes in that. Motorcycle Emptiness by Manx Street Preachers. Yeah. Um, and maybe that's doing the thingy front. My nom is gonna be it is uh another Harley Davidson. It's a 1947 Harley Davidson knucklehead written by someone in a TV show that ran from 1974 to 1984. Okay. It jumped the shark. Oh, it's Fonzi, yeah. And the reason I'm picking it um is because of this one time that Pete misremembered the Fronzi and thought he had a catchphrase that said, That's the one. Any possible chance I get. Yeah. Oh dear.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Also, it's firing badly that day.

SPEAKER_02 43:33

It's a super weird thing of this guy who hangs around with loads of really young teenage kids. Yeah. He's clearly like in his 30s. Yeah, and he says, Come into my office and it's a toilet. Yeah. It's a strange guy. Again, I think made in a different way. But he's actually one of the good guys in the world. Yeah. Yeah. His Twitter feed is just him like showing off the fish that he can't. It's really good. So yeah, that's a 47 Harley Davidson knucklehead.

SPEAKER_03 43:57

Nice. I've got a couple of honourable mentions, Jeff Daniel. And Jim Carey on a scooter in Dumb and Dumma. Oh, yeah. Or wherever it is. John Wick, chapter three, has the fight on katanas Riker. In the Paris streets. I think it's no, it's New York, isn't it? And they're twatting each other with katanas, heavily inspired by the villainess, that South Korean.

SPEAKER_01 44:21

I think there was some of it was filmed in Chicago as well.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

John Wick.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

That was brilliant. That sequence. Was you going to mention Oi, Bellboy? Quadrofinia. I was going to mention that one you're right, Dan. That was Phil Daniels. Yeah. 73 Mirrors on there. Yeah, for Jack's cousin. They put Jack Cousin for some reason. All about two types of motorcycle people fighting, wasn't it? Modern rockers with their other types of bikes. And it had Sting as a really wimpy bellboy in it. And then I'm going to go for my nomination. I don't know why I'm picking this, because really it's our sole job was is in an old comedy to make straight men feel insecure. But it's the if I was to go da da da da du, would you recognise that as the tango music to the blue oyster bar in Police Academy, which was the biker gang where people would comedically find themselves trapped.

SPEAKER_04 45:22

The blue oyster bar. Yeah, the toolbox. We used to sing it at school all the time. Yeah. You went to an old boys' school though, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense, doesn't it? It does, it does. Okay, some great noms there. Yeah. Really still. Plenty of bikes still up for grabs as well. There's loads, there's loads. There's uh it's freewheel them this way.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Motorcycle diaries. Yeah. This came out in 2002, I want to say. You might want to say it, and it might be right. Okay. And I saw it at the cinema when it was released, and I haven't seen it since. And so how bad my memory is is that I thought they had a motorcycle each when I was sitting down to re-watch this like, oh no, they just got the one that one bike. So that's kind of where I was with it. But I remember I didn't enjoy it the first time. You didn't? I did. I also I saw it with uh a chick that I really fancied.

SPEAKER_03 46:21

It's one of my wife's favourite movies, so I'd we watched this early on when we were you know I saw this with about 2009.

SPEAKER_04 46:29

Is it because she had the hots for Gail Garcia Banal?

SPEAKER_03 46:32

That certainly didn't hurt. Yeah, she does have the hots for him a bit. I mean, as did I. This was well, this was a hot guy.

SPEAKER_04 46:38

This was him at his maybe hottest.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

Maybe. He does look really good in this. Uh a little bit after Etu Mamatambian, I think.

SPEAKER_04 46:46

Yeah, this was playing everywhere, wasn't it? Argentina, Brazil, the States, Chile, Peru, that's their road trip. United Kingdom, Germany, France, but it was shot in all those countries as well, which and the film is gonna chart the sort of formative years of Ernesto Guevara de la Serna.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Yes, Jay Guevara.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

Him and his pal.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Which Gail unbelievably he had actually played in before in a TV series.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

So that's that's the world then, yeah. And his pal Alberto Granado, he is a biochemist, yeah. And Fuzher, as they call him in the film, is a medical student, nearly graduated, but kind of puts that on hold to do this big trip. Twenty-three years old, yeah. Well they're headed to a left colony. It starts with a quote, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Which is quite good. This isn't a tale about heroic feats, it's about two lives running parallel for a while with common aspirations and similar dreams. And we'll revisit that quote at the end again as well, because it will have a bit more greater meaning. But yeah, they're there these like you say, the students are going on this road trip, they want to go to a leper colony in Peru. But I mean, there is that kind of altruistic thing, but there's I mean, he's definitely shoving condoms in his bag, right?

SPEAKER_04 47:58

Yeah, but they're young, they're idealistic.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

He's gonna girl that he already knows. He wants to check in at Alberto just wants to get sick. He said he wants to just shag basically every word at least a woman in the game. And you can see they they are they're pals, but they are very different. Yeah, and he likes to dance and he's just constantly getting down. I think the first it's just fucks like one of the servants from that in that gap. But yeah, that when they're setting off, it's really funny actually when they because it's not a funny movie, but it does have these little moments. They fucking laughed out loud that the first bit when they're they're all worried about them because they've got this bikes of piece of shit, and it's loaded with so much stuff, and they go about 20 yards and they crash into a bush.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

And and it looks really realistic as well, and it's definitely the two actors. So, you know, we get a few scenes of establishing the fact that they are quite privileged, or it's certainly Che Guevara is.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

Yeah, for his his father saying he looks very well to do. Yeah. He's he just he he sort of looks disapproving, and you can see his mum at the dinner table, she's really happy that he's sort of got his own ideas of what he wants to do. She sort of smiles at him at the table. And then his dad does confess because if I was younger, you know, I'd want to come with you.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

I think it's just jealousy. You you you interpret it as disapproval, but then when he says to him, you know, if I was 20, yeah, exactly, if I was younger, I'd be coming younger.

SPEAKER_04 49:15

Which is nice, and he's got uh you know uh approval, but yeah, they they kind of want him to have a you know, right, get this out you want, get this out the way.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

Well, they also want him to finish medical school, right? Which which is always a parent's thing, right?

SPEAKER_03 49:29

Scratch the itch and finish a uni. Yeah, come back and do that, get that done. So they go off on this bike, and like so again, it's not very long before they fucking stacked it into a like river at the side of the yeah, into a ditch.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

Into a ditch.

SPEAKER_03 49:42

You see him come straight off the wall and there's water, and that's when you discover that he's got a dog in his bag.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

How did they even I don't even know how the dog was silent for that long. Yeah, I mean, I guess the engine would be revving, but well, Alberto didn't know about it because it's like, the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_03 49:58

Yeah, and then and the dog is called Come Back, which it loses a little bit in the translation, but you can see what the joke is because later he's telling Come Back to go away. So the first part of the trip is still in Argentina, and they just they're going off to see what's her name, Chinchina.

SPEAKER_02 50:15

Absolutely Smokesville.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

Yeah, she lives in another like fantastically wealthy place. They say, Oh, it looks like Switzerland because of the European architecture, and the surroundings, and the surroundings is like m the lawn is is perfectly manicured. They've got sevens because he fucks one, doesn't he? He does, yeah, because there's a big dance where he won't dance. And it Chichina says, Oh, basically, I mean he's like they're they're horny, they're horny guys. He's 20 and the other guy's 29. 23 and the other guy's 29. So he wants to get laid, and she's kind of basically says, Look, I'm not gonna give you any unless you stay. I don't want you to go.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

First of all, it's like they are gonna fuck, and then yeah, she turns in and she blew balls in.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

But she's like, Well, you might not ever come back, so you might just fuck me and that's it. That's so although he does seem to be genuinely into her, I would say. But anyway, it doesn't distract them and they're soon off on their own.

SPEAKER_01 51:08

Well, that's the thing, because the uh the whatever the petrochemical guy is, a biochemist. Yeah, he's like, You said we're gonna be here for two days. It's been here a week. We've been here a week. Yeah, what are we doing? Yeah. And they they just then he's uh look, well, I need to go, this is the journey that we want. And they just set sail again.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

They do. They fairly quickly established that she's given him fifteen dollars to buy a bikini when it's sort of if he gets to America. Yeah, and it's a recurring source of friction. He says, Oh, don't just think that this money doesn't exist. It's like not in our budget. It's not our budget. Um and but it becomes a source of friction all the time for Alberto, who just wants to spend it.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

And then we will start to get the diaries of him writing letters to his mother and his feelings about what's happening along this trip, and he's gonna start to change his his views.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Well, there's the haves and the have nots, and he starts to see people that are. Well, there's still some comedy first because they they're pretty cat catastrophic on the road, right? One night the tent blows away, the bike is constantly breaking down. First of all, they're like leaning on the kind of Well, first of all, they're trying to manipulate people, they find all those rich people, and Alberto's like you see Guevara examine him and say, Oh, I think he's got a tumour. And the other guy's like, nah, nah, it's not that, because they just want to it's just a cyst, we just need a roof over our head for a few days. And you can see a little bit of conflict because Guevara's a bit like, well, no, it's a tumour, and that's many.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

And he needs to be told the truth.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

Yeah, rather than the truth, and exactly this is a first instance of him. Not like he's ruthless or rude, but it he doesn't necessarily like dress things up, he just says them very marriage, which is going to be really blunt to the guy, the author later on.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

Yeah, that's amazing, I think.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

Um but he just says, No, it's a tumour, and you need to get to the hospital, which is true.

SPEAKER_03 53:01

So it's all a little bit exploitative the next time they like because when they get over the border from Argentina to Chile, they end up in the paper, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 53:08

Well, they they make a point of being in the paper. Yeah, and they embellish that a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

They do, and then they so then when they get to the first town in Chile, you can point to this picture in the paper, and the guy's like, Oh, he's famous, come here, let me fix your motorbike, we'll give you some food, let's go for a dance. Our wife runs.

SPEAKER_02 53:26

Properly giving him the eye wife.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

Yeah, she's properly given him the eye in the show. Oh, let's go. I but it might be one of those where because she's sort of doing it in view of him, and maybe it's about him getting battered by her husband because that's nearly where it goes. Yeah. Chased out of there quite comically. He has to South American girls, though. Yeah, the motor bike the bike and they go quite hard.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

I think it's it's really after this because now they're they're on foot. The bike they the bike just dies, or the next time they crash it, it's completely fucked. And they they take it to the next um place they you know, where there's a mechanic, and he says, Oh, you can sell that for scrap, but you ain't fucking yeah, you're not getting out of the road, it's just no way. So now they end up on foot, and then they this is where they start to just meet more people as they're working. They get they end up on the mines and all. They do.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

I mean, before that, there's a few things because they travel on boat and there's a just a moment where um He's just looking at the people getting dragged behind. Yeah, and he looks across and he says for the first time, he's like, Oh, I dream of opening a clinic there and letting anybody come in and treating them. Yeah. And there's treatment for all, you know. So it's a bit of an idealist, I guess. And then other times of error. Yeah. And also he'll sort of not be able to treat an old woman, it gives her some like placebo type asthma medicine away.

SPEAKER_01 54:44

I think it's his asthma medication. Yeah, but just to say, look, take these because it'll be better. But yeah, sometimes it weighs heavily on it. And and the the it's like almost a narration from a letter that he sends to his mom. Exactly. He's like, I I've I've given false hope to this person that I know is not gonna make it to midnight or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 55:02

So But it is really like the film is almost in like a third and two-thirds, because the first third has got this coming of age, buddy trip, like quite a lot of hijinks and lols, and until it gets serious. He s has this meeting with this couple that they were at miners. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:20

Well they're on foot now, aren't they? And and once they start travelling that way, they they meet people because who can afford a bike, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:27

You know, the first couple he meets is he gives her his jacket in the end. Is this this is the way you were talking about the haves and the haves nots, because he meets this couple, they were expelled, they were working at a mine, they're communists, and they had been persecuted for their political beliefs. So they've been working at the mine because it's dangerous work and nobody questions who you are for dangerous work or what politics you have. But they've been persecuted, they've been turfed off their land by speculators, and he's outraged, and they say to you know, they've obviously enduring these tremendous hardships while they're traveling, and they say, Oh, well, what are you doing? He's like, Oh, well, we're just like fuck up.

SPEAKER_01 56:02

Traveling, and you can see the the couple, they don't understand. Well, why are you traveling? Yeah, and and he's like wandering around, and they can look almost look at each other as if to say, Yeah, these mods are crazy. What are they doing?

SPEAKER_04 56:15

It's a luxury, it's a luxury we've had in you know, in our lives that you know, when you go to India or you go to even Thailand or or some of these places where the local people are just like they're just m miles away from going to visit any other countries, you know, that we can just go, Oh, we're we just traveling, yeah, got a year off and yeah, that's not even in the in their in their views.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

These guys are saying that you know, basically this is the land and these prospectors have come and have taken it just to mine it. Yeah. And and then he he says about his being really haunted by this guy, and he does have this fucking haunted, like just broken expression, this guy and his wife. And then there's there's just a a a bank where all these people these fellows are waiting to just maybe get picked to do a day's work. And and Fuzair's just watching as the guy, the boss just goes, I'll take you and I'll take you and I'll take you. And then he says, Right, vans for the rest of you fuck off, maybe come back tomorrow, you might get lucky or not. And it's maybe like 50, 60 guys who didn't get work. They're probably working for like, I don't know, yeah, exploiting them. Yeah, great depression kind of stuff. And he's told you better get off our land, you're trespassing. And he lobs. I thought there'd be a bit of comeback from this because he lobs a massive rock straight into the uh truck. And this is the first way you could see this has really like affected him. Definitely seeing those workers exploited like that, it's just fit lit a fire in it. I think he meets he meets another guy more about how yeah, we were just farmers and then they just came and just fucking boot us off our own land and because they're all around. He's like, Well, why didn't you like unionise effectively? And he says, Well, we do, we we kind of all the farmers have got together and we try and cooperate, and but you know, it's just a tale of people just coming in and then these people are just getting super rich and these guys here have got fuck all. Um and then the film will sort of then just do shots of these guys' face as it as a m you know just Well a bit a bit like the black and white photos that are in his book. Yeah. Yeah. Of his actual travels. It doesn't wait necessarily to the end to do it. No. Does it sort of keep sort of flicking these guys?

SPEAKER_03 58:21

And it's just people that he's met, moments of kindness, you know, food that he's trying, just all the people that he's met on his journey, and then their stories as well, which are often stories of persecution or being thrown out of their lands or not having strength in their communities, and and then a kind of recurring thing about his sort of starting to see the view of all of Latin America being America as like a single continent and one people.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Idealistic. Yeah. They do eventually get they've they've prearranged a couple of bits, and the first one is to meet up with this guy who's like a professor of leprosy or something, isn't he? Yeah. And they go to his gaff. They well first of all, they're nicking the milk off his doorstep, and he comes off, he was no, they've actually arranged to be there. I mean, he gives them clothes and he washes up, feeds them, and then he's they stay there for a little while, and you can see they really bond. And at dinner at the dinner table, one day he towards the end of their stay, he says, This is my this is my first life. Well, you know, after my wife, of course, and he brings out this this pamphlet thing, and it's it's the novel he's been working on. He says, I'd really love you to read it, I'd really love to know what you think. He obviously really respects them and wants to know what their opinion of it is. He he thinks it's great, and they start to look at it, and then it's kind of like shelved, and then eventually they they go to the harbour and they're gonna go off to go and find this leper colony. And he says, Oh, I just want to know, did you read my book? And he can tell well. He tells he's just bullshitting, and I don't know. He read it, and he goes, Yeah, it was it was shit. Well, you got he he's he just goes, Well, I I didn't think it was very good, it's very cliched. Yeah, he says too many cliches. It wasn't very well written and it made it hard to read. And the guy, because he's absolutely crestfallen, yeah. And he goes, You're the only person who's ever been honest to me about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

Well, deep down that guy probably knew it himself.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

It probably and he says and he says that thing, you know, you should probably stick at what you're good at, you know, stick to being a doctor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:09

But you can say it's genuinely fucking.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:11

If you're good at being a doctor, that's a pretty good thing to be being good at, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

But he is he is the guy, he gives him a load of literature, and it's really important because it it starts to calcify some of those feelings that he's had about the indigenous people and how they've been treated, all that literature that he's starting to read.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:26

They they go to Machu Picchu, which looks pretty nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:28

Yeah. It looks incredible, and then they you know they tour the ruins and the streets and talk to the communities afterwards to find out that you know they were decimated. There's that great cut when he took he shows from Machu Picchu and he says, How is it progressed to go from this to the incapable over the top of it?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

What does he say? The Incas they you know they had deep understanding of astrology, yeah, science, medicine, and then civilization. The Spanish had gunpowder. So yeah, good luck with that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

Yeah. So anyway, they end up on they need to get down the river to the leper colony, don't they? I loved this bit because they're on a five-day boat that they have to get with prostitutes. He has a really bad he's got asthma. Oh yeah, he needs snuff nest though. And he has really bad asthma attack on the boat and has to go down. Meanwhile, Alberto is chasing tail. He really wants the fifteen dollars. She's really hot, though. Yeah. He's the fittest woman there in on a boat, and she sort of gets him all wound up and then he's like, I've got no money, and she's like, I can send that a little bit. He goes down to gamble and he's got one peso or a soul or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:37

One soul. Like a pence, one pence.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:39

And he ends up winning enough to Rayman's isn't he? Drives her back to his place to finish her off with him anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:47

But it but it turns out that Fuzher had given the fifteen dollars to that couple at the mine. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:51

Because he's like, I don't have it, I gave it to the people at the mine. And you fucking what? Really happy. I need to get laid, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:01

So anyway, they do turn up at the leper colony, which is essentially being overseen by nuns. There's doctors that are there doing the work, but the nuns hold all the keys to everything. And they're told pretty early on it's not contagious, but the nuns don't want you to Well, even this is it's got massive light.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:19

So dry leprosy. It has and have not. The separation of the people you know, lit literally separate by a river. Yeah. And yeah, they do because they're not contagious, I'm not wearing the gloves. Yeah. How about that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:31

Yeah, while they're under treatment, they're not contagious.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

He treats these people like human beings, which is a bit I mean, obviously the people that are there are doing a great job, but this is another step above and they obviously There's the two there's the two fellows just by the dock there whereas they as they come onto the the south side of wherever it is, and he hands they hold their hands out, just shake hands with them and you can see the patients are like, no one's ever done that before. And as they walk off, he's like, he's a real gentleman, you know. See it's really it matters a lot. It's a symbolic gesture, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

And because of it, they don't get fed, do they? They're not given. Well, they don't go to church, they don't go to mass. They don't go to mass, and it's a recurring thing. Actually, his disdain for organized religion is there like straight from the off because he calls it Jesus PLC, doesn't he? Yeah. The early part. He says, How's Jesus PLC doing? And this obviously exacerbates it more when he sees the sort of hypocrisy, the moral hypocrisy of the church not feeding these guys just because they didn't attend mass, and then again the community rallying round bringing them their food so that they can eat.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:33

Yeah. So anyway. There's a there's a a younger girl there. She's had a badly disfigured arm, and she won't have the surgery. Yeah. It's not to amputate her arm, it's just taking the nerve, isn't it? I don't I don't really know what leprosy does.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:45

No, I wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:46

It looked a bit like uh it kind of just it it yeah, it leprosy is just like it eats away at your skin and eventually sort of like bits of you start falling off.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:56

I get the yeah, because we see loads of people with their fingers have gone and stuff, but they I thought the operation would be to to just amputate her arm, but it's not, it's to take the nerve, and that's just I think it's just because it gives her pain pain because of the swelling and all of the because she's then she's sort of carrying her arm almost in a sling, I guess, when we see her later. But she's it's here, it's Fuzaire that's gone in and just sat with her and and just spoken to her. Not necessarily saying uh initially you've got to have your just connecting with her and and just being, you know, just a person talking to her. And so we we see her then you know have the operation. It looks fairly grim to be honest. Yeah. Um it's it's like a Fields hospital, you know. It's not this isn't like you know, Harley Street or whatever. It's still it's still better than the first world war, but it's still not yeah, we'd be used to nowadays, no. And so he's there. I think they're there for three weeks and they they have a big impact on on everything. Yeah, we see them playing football with everyone, getting involved.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:54

Well, they create a social structure between the people that wasn't there before.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:58

Yeah, especially with the separation of the river, the river. He's just looking out the windows and he sees them over there. He can see the lights when he's there and he just doesn't like it. It doesn't like that they're segregated away. And then he kind of culminates with the party with his birthday. Yeah. Which he gets the the wrong dance, which they all f everyone after a man hisses themselves laughing at him. Yeah. Because he The Man Ball Tango. He rumbles the tango, you get yeah, and they're like, right, we're gonna fucking lol at you. He does a big speech, some of it well when he's doing his speech, you can see our bird's looking at him like, what the fuck? Yeah. I think uh he's a bit well, I don't say he's like completely like because he follows him eventually, but he's like, Well, that's a bit full on.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

Well, he talks about this is where he talks about we're a unified people.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:43

Yeah, it's a bit more political than it's definitely more political and it's his first political speech, really, isn't it? He's he's talking about uniting the people and and say this obviously a a a trip which Which helps develop his his later his moral core and moral core and his is his thoughts that change the world, really, you know. I mean it's uh certainly in in large parts of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:15

He'll act on that desire for that united America that he's just talked about by literally going to unite it by physically swimming across the lake.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

Yeah, yeah, well across the river, which I thought it was fucking mental.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:29

Considering he's got very bad asthma, which we've seen across the room.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

Currents and it's a river. The rivers are not in. You see it a couple of times where he's like, is this deep? Yeah, it's deep.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:37

I don't know if this bit is true. I don't know, because it's more symbolic to me than anyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:42

I I thought it was more symbolic, yeah. But you never know.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

I mean he was like he's choosing that hardship, that struggle to get to those people that need his help, basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:52

Both banks of the river are chewing him on, mostly because they don't want to drown. Yeah. I think. And he does eventually get to the other side of the city. Well he's got his asthma and his cargo. He wants to celebrate his sister's birthday and he wants to celebrate his birthday with those people too.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:04

Which he does. Yeah. And then the the final is just like the book ended again. We get the quote, we get them at the port. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:12

Which he's on a cargo plane.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

He's not actually at us. Which is Venezuela, is it? Yes. And there's been some thing about we've had some chat about the birthday and when it's been and all this stuff, and Alberto's birthday going, and he tells him, Well, by the way, it was bullshit. I was just using it as a thing to kind of spur us on and keep us motivated. He's like, Yeah, I I know about that. It was in April or whatever. Um and then he talks about basic he says he's not the same me anymore. That's what you said. So I'm not I've you know, and Alberto's got a thicker scholarship to somewhere, hasn't he?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

Alberto's got a you know a pretty sweet deal to go somewhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:48

Well, I think to stay in Caracas.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Yeah. And he's like, Can't stay with me, you know, you can you can finish the university here or whatever. He's like, No, no, I have another journey, I need to do this, and he just gets on the plane and then we zoom out from that to the real Alberto.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:03

I think first of all we get the text, do we about what had happened and how with the CIOs how to do that? But that Alberto had followed him to Cuba. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:20

Is that the same sort of noise?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:23

They'd set up a hospital or some sort of medical outpost anyway, and um Alberto had followed him out there and stayed there. And then we get the shot of him as well, present day in 2000, I s suspect he's probably must be dead now. Yeah. But he was you know an old man and he just seemed sort of wistfully looking off into the distance.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:40

Yeah. Um yeah. And then we see some real photos that were taken as well, including the one of them stood in front of the Mambo Tango, which was their raft that they made for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:48

Yeah. Which looks like he wouldn't make it across a pond, let alone the Amazon, but there you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:56

So yeah, it's really interesting, like watching the conditions that might create essentially radicalization, really, or a huge you know, uh political influence on that part of the world, and then obviously his actions after that. There's lots and lots of different feelings about and dissent about what actually happened as well, isn't it? It's far too complex, I think, to sum up. But it was a really interesting film, beautiful scenery as well. Yeah, that's okay. Scenery, and they do some mileage as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:31

Yeah, it does keep it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

It gives you the location, it gives you the tally of how far they've gone, you know, and that yeah. Yeah, they whatever how many kilometers in the location, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:40

Yeah, terrible roads and and everything back in the the fifties, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

It's interesting. And like anyone as like a as a sort of young idealistic man, but you don't quite see him as the revolutionary that he will become.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:54

Any any trip in the you know, that kind of age that kind of trip, yeah it's gonna change you, you know, it comes at the end, he's I'm not the same me anymore. You'd expect not to be, you know, particularly when he's taken so much to heart and had those kind of conversations and really gone in through privilege and then seen so many people. Well, I think that's coming along the way.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:20

Sorry to interrupt you, I think that's the main point for me is that he's actually an educated man. If he would be just someone that doesn't have any knowledge, like the people that some of the people that he meets, he doesn't know the possibilities of of what a a co-op can do, uh a group of people, let's rally together, let's work together, let's do this, let's do that. So so when he sees these people just have been pushed, and and these are all indigenous people, right? Regardless if they're from Peru or Venezuela or Chile, they're still p from there, right? And to his point of view, he's Argentinian as much as and and he's South American, the same like everyone else.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:57

So they take the power structures to fight back against the stuff that's happening.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:01

Exactly, yeah. But but also the the way I see it is because he has knowledge of the way it could be, whereas if you don't have any knowledge of that you would know better. You just accept your fate kind of thing. So I think that influences a lot because I've seen that obviously I'm not trying to cry that I'm Romanian and we've seen communism, but there is a point of that because if you don't know what the other possibility is, you don't really have an idea of of all this, right? So I I think that made a big difference. Did you loved it? Yeah, yeah. Looking great. Yeah. Really, really good.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:37

And since the since you saw the cinema back in the day then and your more recent viewings, is it? No, it's it's just great.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

Because it doesn't it makes all these points, but it doesn't ram his ideology. There's none of that. There's and it's hard to do. It just shows you how he feels about stuff. And of course, you know I don't know really enough about what happened later, really. Just know the fucking posters and the t-shirts that people wear, they probably haven't got a clue either. Um Well it I mean all those posts exactly what he would have hated.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:12

Yeah, of course it would. Yeah, it would have been that that was literally what he was fighting against. Yeah. There's a massive irony there. But yeah, like you say, just watching because it's a lot of show, don't tell storytelling. So you're not sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:26

Well, it's a light story, no, at the end of the year. And it does have some real nice lightheart touch to it certainly at the start of the film. Yeah. And his his mate is a great fool for him as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:34

And it has a real sort of authenticity and sort of almost documentary type feel, it's particularly the bits where they're interviewing the indigenous people. Yeah. And yeah, so just strong recommendable round. Really strong. Yeah. Yeah. Strong. You said Pete's got PNA's voice.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:56

We might have to dust off the old mics because we've only got the four, or I might drop out and just sit. But anyway, we'll figure that out. But the NOMs are I don't know what the top five is actually, but the films are This is England. Right. Shane Meadows one. And Grimsby. Which is it? Which could be a zero.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:17

Which could be a zero out of tone for me. But it's got a really good sequence towards the end. About two minutes worth watching.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:22

Mark Strong.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:24

Uh so we all drop out and something to do with some stuff. That so just like pre-warn you. We're doing that on the Tuesday. We normally record on a Monday, that's on the Tuesday. And then there's the England game, so I won't be editing the midweek for the Wednesday. Oh, when will the episode come out? Thursday? Probably Thursday. It might if I work from home Wednesday, I might do it and it would just be out late on Wednesday, but it won't be out easier time just to pre-warn everyone. I know you get very upset if it's not crack it down.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:52

You'll be thinking, Wednesday? Is it Thursday? They won't know what day it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:58

Everybody might. If there's no episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:00

People often set their calendars by us because we're that ready. That's how it works.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:05

But all that remains is to say signing out. Reese has left the building. A lot of a delay. Dad's gone.