June 18, 2026

Motorcycles & The Motorcycle Diaries

Motorcycles & The Motorcycle Diaries

This week on Bad Dads Film Review, Sidey, Reegs, Dan and Cris get on the road for Walter Salles’s The Motorcycle Diaries, the warm, humane, politically charged travel drama about young Ernesto “Che” Guevara and Alberto Granado crossing South America on a rapidly dying motorcycle.

The episode opens with the usual Bad Dads detours — football, podcast housekeeping, dubious intros, David Walliams antipathy, and some listener follow-up — before the Dads rev into a Top 5 Motorcycles discussion. The nominations range from the iconic to the ridiculous: Arnie’s Harley-Davidson Fat Boy in Terminator 2, Tom Cruise’s Kawasaki in Top Gun and Mission: Impossible — Rogue Nation, the Easy Rider Captain America chopper, Indy and Henry Jones Sr. in the Last Crusade sidecar, Tron’s light cycles, Dumb and Dumber’s scooter, John Wick’s katana bike fight, Fonzie’s Harley, Judge Dredd-style sci-fi bikes, and Dan’s heartfelt case for Burt Munro and The World’s Fastest Indian.

That motorcycle theme leads neatly into the main feature, though Sidey admits that on rewatching he had misremembered the film as having one bike each rather than one battered Norton 500 — La Poderosa — carrying both men until it finally gives up. From there the conversation settles into why the film still works: the easy chemistry between Ernesto and Alberto, the light comic touches, the sense of real travel, and the way the journey gradually shifts from youthful adventure into moral and political awakening.

Verdict-wise, it is a strong recommend all round. The Dads admire the scenery, the performances, the warmth of Alberto and Ernesto’s friendship, and the film’s gentle but powerful account of a man changed by what he sees. The episode closes with Pete’s upcoming nominations — This Is England and Grimsby — plus scheduling warnings around football, because apparently even revolutions must respect the edit window.

This week the Bad Dads ride across South America with The Motorcycle Diaries, Walter Salles’s 2004 drama starring Gael García Bernal as young Ernesto Guevara and Rodrigo de la Serna as Alberto Granado.

Before the main feature, the Dads count down their favourite movie motorcycles, from Arnie’s shotgun-reloading Harley in Terminator 2 to Tom Cruise going full Cruise in Top Gun and Mission: Impossible, the Easy Rider chopper, Indy’s sidecar, Tron’s light cycles, Dumb and Dumber’s scooter, John Wick’s katana bike fight, Fonzie’s Knucklehead and Dan’s beloved World’s Fastest Indian.

What We Covered

  • Top 5 Motorcycles: a surprisingly rich category covering choppers, scooters, sidecars, sci-fi bikes, stunt riding and Tom Cruise’s apparent allergy to helmets.
  • La Poderosa: the battered Norton 500 that carries Ernesto and Alberto until it absolutely cannot, giving the film its comic engine and its road-movie shape.
  • Memory vs rewatch: Sidey remembers seeing the film at the cinema and discovers he had misremembered the pair as having one bike each.
  • Ernesto and Alberto: the Dads enjoy the friendship, the teasing, the appetite for adventure, and Alberto’s role as a funny, earthy foil to Ernesto’s more serious awakening.
  • A journey through inequality: miners, indigenous communities, poverty, illness and exploitation gradually turn the trip from lads’ adventure into political education.
  • The leper colony: the San Pablo section becomes the emotional centre of the film, especially Ernesto’s refusal to accept easy divisions between people.
  • Che without the T-shirt: the group discuss how the film shows the conditions that could radicalise someone without reducing Guevara to a poster, slogan or merch logo.
  • Show, don’t tell politics: Sidey praises the film for making its points quietly; Reegs notes the documentary-like authenticity; Cris reflects on education, knowledge and the ability to imagine different power structures.
  • Travel as transformation: Dan highlights the idea that any journey like this, at that age and through those conditions, would inevitably change you.
  • Final images: the airport farewell, the real Alberto, the closing text and the real photographs give the film a wistful, reflective ending.

Key Quotes / Moments

  • “I thought they had a motorcycle each.”
  • “I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.”
  • “Top five motorcycles. I’m amazed that we’ve not done this before.”
  • “He’s not the same me anymore.”
  • “It doesn’t ram his ideology down your throat.”
  • “A strong recommend all round.”

Verdict

A strong recommend from the Dads. The Motorcycle Diaries is praised as warm, funny, beautiful and quietly powerful — a road movie about friendship, privilege, poverty and the moment a person starts to see the world differently.

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Motorcycle Diaries

Reegs: Uh- Welcome to "Bad Dads Film Review," the podcast that is to coherent thought as a sidecar is to aerodynamics. This week, we're revving up for the top five motorcycles, a topic that'll generate more dangerous vibrations than a washing machine full of angry badgers, more inappropriate leather than a fetish club's lost property office, and more rarely used protection than a 1970s BBC dressing room. From "Akira" to the world's fastest Indian, we'll be going from nought to insufferable faster than Dan's knees give out when he gets up from the sofa. Wow. Yeah. But true.

Dan: Yeah. No, I was saying that's fast. Our

Reegs: fast. main feature is Walter Salles's "The Motorcycle Diaries," the true story of a young Ernesto Guevara and his friend Alberto Granado riding a disintegrating motorbike across South America, aided at every turn by people who h- who have nothing, and finding a continent of breathtaking beauty ground down by poverty and the systemic exploitation of the people at the bottom of it. It's a warm and genuinely affecting film that has the audacity to suggest the sy- systemic exploitation of the poor is bad, a position that in 2026 apparently still requires some courage to hold, though not quite as much courage as it takes to charge 40 quid for a Che Guevara T-shirt at Sports Direct. Uh, listeners are advised that the following program contains strong language, spoilers, and opinions traveling well below the recommended intellectual speed limit. Protective equipment is recommended but will not be provided. Uh, before we get any further down the road, let's meet this week's collection of middle-aged men who have absolutely no business being on any vehicle more powerful than a mobility scooter, uh, starting with Dan, uh, that I appear to have not put your joke in, in, so, um-

Dan: Okay. Well, well, Dan looks Dan looks like he's lost something as as

Dan: well. I am. Yeah, he is really confused. Well, I don't know. I often d- look around lost, um... Oh, but they're on my head.

Sidey: I've,

Dan: I've had that old man moment- Your glasses ... where I was looking for the, the glasses. They're actually on my head.

Reegs: I can sort of half remember it. It was a... You were being middle-aged and before the concept- Yeah of, like, yours was a, a horse. Well, it was a

Dan: monocle

Reegs: before- It was a horse ... you know. You had a middle age crisis. You had a horse and a bit- Horse Power

Dan: One ...

Reegs: of funny stuff in there. Yeah. Um, next up, starring Chris, a man who sits through films the way most people sit through chemotherapy, grimly quiet and counting the minutes until it's over, whose ideal experience, uh, cinema experience is subtitled, violent, and above all, short. Uh, this week you'll get subtitles and dismemberment, though quite a lot of-

Cris: Perfect ...

Reegs: friendliness and compassion as well. Yeah. It's

Cris: amazing.

Reegs: Uh, and then attempting to get his leg over a massive chopper in third place- ... a man who's seen more middle-aged men's helmets than an enthusiastic urologist. It's Sidey.

Sidey: Hello.

Reegs: And then there's me, B. Hello.

Cris: Hello.

Sidey: Hi.

Reegs: Si. Hi.

Cris: Hi, everyone

Reegs: Um,

Dan: It's, um... It is a motorboating week.

Reegs: Not really.

Dan: No. motorcycling. Motorcycling week. motorcycling. Daniel? Motorcycling week. Yeah Have you done any motorcycle, Daniel? I've actually, that long? I've actually, um, had limited experience on motor vehicles. Um, the first time I ever did, ever got on a, a bike, it was, uh, a moped. It was in Goa, um, in Calangute. And how old were How old were you? 21, 22. Because it's always baffling to me that you, you can probably 21, 22. Because it's 22. 22. Because it's,

Sidey: it's

Reegs: always baffling to me- 23 ... that y- you can ride a 50cc motorbike on the road at 16 years old, can't you?

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: can still drive a car.

Reegs: No, not until you're 17, but- Well, I, I was in my, yeah, early, early 20s, and I turned on... I don't you're know but-

Dan: Well, I, I if it was my, yeah, early, early 20s, and I turned on... I don't know if it was a a 125 or it was a, a 50. Probably a 50. And I just went straight straight over the road into the nearest wall on the other side. Yeah. And Yeah ... and the guy who was hiring the the bike just kind of looked at me. Um, and I just kind of sheepishly wheeled it back there and said, "No, think I'll bother." I don't think I'll bother." next time I picked up a bike was about a year or two later when I was in Cambodia, and and I thought, "I've got to get to the, you know, I've gotta try I've got to try and do this." So- Mm-hmm ... um, I took a moped again. A, another guy had a big kinda

Dan: big kind of scrambler, and I w- liked the look of it, but I just couldn't handle that. I just I just got my- Yeah And I took that across, um, the south of Cambodia, and I taught

Dan: myself how to, to ride. Ride that thing.

Reegs: ride. Yeah. Oh,

Dan: Well, fair play. and, and and I survived to tell to tell the story.

Cris: Yeah. Well done.

Reegs: What about you, Chris? You got any motorbiking experience?

Cris: I actually do have motorbiking experience- despite the fact that I don't own a driving license. Yeah.

Dan: Don't incriminate yourself.

Cris: I was in Madagascar. To be fair, that- That's all that's happening ... I was just... They were lucky. roads really,

Sidey: There aren't many roads, really, is

Cris: there? Well, I was in, in, in... The way we, we hired the, the scooter was in Nosy Be, which is one of the northern islands. Um, and you can... It's kind of the, kind of the size of Jersey, so you can kind of just drive it around. And the, the roads are shit. You can't really just give it gas, and I didn't really care about that either. Mm. Mm. And, uh, it was quite funny because they didn't ask for ID. They didn't ask for anything. They just wanted, "Are you gonna give us money?" "Yes." "How much?" "This much." "Are you gonna bring it back on Tuesday?" "Yes." Much. That's all they wanted.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: This is 2019, though, so it's a while ago. But, uh, it was... Yeah, it was good. And the helmets that they gave us, you know, I was with my girlfriend at the time, uh, they were... One was a cycling, um, helmet- Yeah ... and the other one was a skateboarding helmet.

Reegs: Nice. That'll do the job.

Cris: So we, we just-

Reegs: Instills confidence, doesn't it?

Cris: Yeah, it was- Yeah ... I was... I was I mean, look- your

Reegs: Did they take your passport or something?

Cris: Nothing. Not even an ID. Zero. No, they didn't care. Those bikes were worthless.

Sidey: They

Reegs: They're just

Dan: stolen anyway.

Cris: I don't know. Like, Like, I, I, I didn't really care. I just ... Because we went to a few of them, and th- you know, I think people in these kind of countries, that's my opinion, but I think they look at you, how you are dressed or how you look, and they make a price. Yeah. And the first two places, I was like, "I can hire that for that kind of money in Spain, not here."

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: And I just was ... I lo- and I'm looking for something cheap. And the guy, we had like a guide, whatever, and the guy's, "Oh, I know where you go." And these guys were like, "Mate, whenever ... Are you gonna bring it?" "Yes." "Okay, fine." And that was it, job done.

Sidey: So-

Cris: So I do have experience, well, despite the fact that I don't actually know how to drive. we've got two...

Reegs: We're almost ready to get a bike again to-together. Yeah. Andy, you, a

Sidey: So I don't like them. You

Reegs: we've got two ... We're almost ready to get a biker going to- together. Yeah. Sidi, you, uh- one? No.

Sidey: I don't like them.

Reegs: Y- you ever been on one? No. Never been on one. Don't like

Sidey: them. I don't like the people who are the people who enthusiastic about them.

Reegs: Oh, okay.

Sidey: Um, I think they're shit. Yeah. And dangerous, annoying, fucking loud twats. Yeah, yeah. Um, either get a car or a pushbike. Yeah. Don't combine the two.

Reegs: Okay.

Sidey: Fuck off. All right. Um-

Reegs: Have

Cris: been on any of them?

Reegs: When I was about 11, 11, um, I went to Alex Agalle's, and- In Seoul ... in Seoul. And, uh, he had a big field at the back of his place, and he had a dirt bike. And he put me on this thing, and I grabbed the throttle, and I went about 30 mile an hour across the thing. Terrified, crying and screaming. Uh, I think it was about 11, so I think I got my mom and dad to come pick me up to take me home afterwards. So- pick me and take me up to take home afterwards.

Cris: Right, okay.

Reegs: I

Cris: another, I have another one that I've been on, a

Cris: a, motorbike. Yeah. One of the boys that I ... W- when I was growing up, I used to play football with. He was in his 30s, and I was maybe, like, 18 or something, 17. And, uh, we used to play, they used to play for money, and he would get me to play with them because I was fit and I could actually play. And, uh, he had a Kawasaki Ninja- Okay ... which was a, a powerful motorbike. And we would go sometimes to the ... When we would play on the 11 a side, he would be on, and I would be behind him. And, um, long story short- on a motorbike. He's not... a side on motorbikes ... he's do- no, yeah, no. He's do- no, we, it was polo. Ah. Um, he, w- he's done it once where he is like, "Oh, um, are you okay? Can we give it a bit of gas?" And honestly, he just went from Mm driving normally to just flying, basically, and I nearly pissed myself. Yeah. And he did, at, at, towards the end, he took his hands off the wheel, and he kinda just did the shimmy, and the bike just kind of No, Nice did a bit of that. I dunno how to say it. Yeah. Wobbled. And, uh, wobbled, and I had a massive wobble as well. I- Yeah ... I'm pretty sure there was a little turtle head in my pants. Yeah. Um- Yeah. And then- Scary bikes ... and then he went, three weeks later, he went to the seaside with his, this girl, and they ended up under a lorry- lorry- Yeah with a motorbike. And, um, apparently ... I, I didn't see it, but apparently this girl's boob was kinda hanging off. Ooh. Hanging off? Like Ugh upside down like that because she fell and she kind of scraped Ooh the- Oh.

Sidey: Yeah. So both the things we watched this week, like Akira, obviously that's animated, but there's quite a few motorbike crashes in that. Yeah. And "The Motorcycle Diaries." I've come off my pushbike time. I've come off my pushbike a few times. Yeah. It fucking hurts. You know, and you see all these- these- Yeah. You're like, "They must be in some fucking bad ways." Yeah. Well,

Dan: I, I've been in a couple of, um... on the back of motorbikes- So

Sidey: riding pillion?

Dan: that- Oh, riding pillion that have fallen, um, in Cambodia. I did ride somebody else's bike, me, Jana, and this, this other guy. Um, and the exhaust just burnt against my leg. Yeah. I had a, a massive kind of scar there for ages. Had to stay in a hammock for weeks just recovering, um, relaxing- Yeah Bloody hell ... as as much as I could. Tough times. tough times indeed. Um, but you... I'm, I'm with you actually, Si, though. I'm not a massive fan of them. In Thailand, they're... everybody's really cool, and they go out on 'em all them all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I like a beer and, um, I'm not gonna- It's all right. In Thailand,

Reegs: you can have a

Dan: on a bike. Yeah. Well, that's beer on a motorbike. Yeah. That, that's it. So yeah, that, that's the problem. I mean, recently there's been, um... um, you know, every, every week people are dying on the roads out there and, um, going out, no helmets- Yeah ... all the rest of it. Um, so they, they a little bit scare me as well, um, there.

Reegs: What about,

Dan: motorbike-

Reegs: do you know... I know at least two men who hit 50 or above and then bought motorbikes like... You know, obviously that is the cliché. Well, that's when I bought mine. Uh, motorbikes in a like a... You know, obviously that is the cliché. Well,

Dan: that's when I

Reegs: bought

Dan: mine. know

Sidey: bought mine. a know a few who've gone the moped route. Yeah. Like the proper mod run to Brighton type- type-

Sidey: Yeah thing. Um, which is equally tragic, I think. But um, uh, yeah, I'm sure-

Dan: I prefer a moped to a motorbike. I like some, you know, the, the Honda Hero bike. If, if... In India, um, that is- If I was gonna

Sidey: get one, that's what I would get one. That's what

Dan: I would get and you've got the, um, the the e-scooter as well. How does it look like? Enfield as well. What, what as Tiny. But I just know- Can't go kerb

Sidey: on it The

Dan: Lambretta ... I just know that I'm not that I'm not a good enough driver, and there's too many idiots. And you do feel very- They're just open roads,

Sidey: aren't they? They're just open

Dan: roads ... you do feel very op- you know.

Sidey: You can make probably- I'd be- ... one of, one of those big bikes. big You can't even make one mistake. You've come that- off that- No ... in a high speed. I'd be fucked. You'd just be

Cris: Oh, yeah. This is cute. I like this, the Honda Hero. Yeah. That, is that that? Yeah. It's like a... All right. Yeah, I like that. That's-

Sidey: Yeah. Um-

Cris: But, yeah, I wouldn't... I mean, if I wouldn't got a license for a car. I

Sidey: think I've got a license 'cause when I passed my test, you got loads of stuff bundled in. So I think- Yeah ... I can drive maybe even a 125.

Reegs: I think it's a a 125 you

Sidey: 125 you can drive, yeah. die. crazy to die. Yeah. Um, watching stuff, I, I guess we've all just re-watched the World Cup, really, haven't we?

Reegs: I've watched a couple of things as

Sidey: well,

Reegs: though, actually. Have you? I've watched Widow's Bay. Oh, yeah. The, uh, the the first episode of the... It's the, it's an Apple TV sort of comedy horror series.

Sidey: Strong recommend?

Reegs: Yeah, it's quite funny, actually. I quite enjoyed that. I quite enjoyed

Sidey: that.

Reegs: Okay. And, um, I've watched... Last week, forgot I forgot to tell you about this, was, um, Ladies First. It's the Sacha Baron Cohen-

Sidey: Okay

Reegs: uh, movie- Oh, yeah ... on Netflix where he's, he's a-

Sidey: Yeah, he's, he's not been fully canceled, has he? He's come back.

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah, but they keep kinda canceling, you know, going for him. But,

Dan: what are they canceling him for? What has he done?

Sidey: Uh, he had a thing with Rebel Wilson, didn't he? And I've been watching that film next week they're with my mom.

Dan: Wh- what did he have with her? Sorry, I,

Sidey: I missed out.

Dan: one.

Sidey: was funny. Apparently it was- Oh, to

Dan: Oh, bullies.

Sidey: it's funny. Right. But I don't think it's ever reached a- Conclusion ... conclusion. No.

Cris: Okay.

Sidey: Just seems like an unreliable witness from other things that are going on. But on, I don't know. Is he only kinda getting into the whole victim-

Reegs: victim. Yeah.

Sidey: Anyway.

Reegs: His film... The film is terrible. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: Oh, I was gonna say, is the film good or is it- No.

Reegs: No. Okay. He's like this, this, um, like real toxic masculine Who's the chick in it? Um, Rosamund Pike is in it That's right. Yeah. She's in it Um, he's like this really toxic sort yeah.

Dan: Oh, yeah,

Sidey: together,

Dan: Pike.

Reegs: Um, he's like this really toxic sort of CEO of

Reegs: of an advertising company. Really, really like, um, hates women and pays lip service to any kind of feminism and that sort of stuff. And then he of feminism and that sort of stuff, and then slips on the pavement outside. Charles Dance is, is in it as well. Can you believe that? And it? And Richard E. Grant, honestly. And, uh, he he slips on the pavement, smacks his head. When he comes to, he's like in a world where women are in charge.

Cris: Oh, I've seen the trailer for this. Okay. But

Reegs: it's not, it's just women behaving like blokes. It's not like anything different. It's just- Not women just

Sidey: being sensible

Reegs: or like, yeah ... y- or not e- or just playing up tropes of- Yeah ... say, toxic femininity- Yeah, yeah or something like that. They're just behaving like blokes reversing the situation. So instead of he's a drama king, not drum- Right. Right ... you know, that sort of level of humor. It's like of humor. So like I watched it with like a sort of horrible fascination. Um, so yeah, strong recommend for that.

Cris: Okay. Okay. I've watched a thing, which I think I told you when we met in the pub during the week. Uh, I watched a film which is on Amazon Prime called Americana.

Reegs: Mm-hmm.

Cris: It's with Sydney Sweeney. Uh, and there's... Do you know what? I don't wanna, uh, offend him because I actually really like this guy. Um, and I was gonna call him fat, but he's actually just quite chubby. Um-

Reegs: You're gonna stand up for the guy in the film who- Yeah, I was gonna say that.

Cris: Uh, and I will tell you his name because he's got a really good- I, I love his accent, and he's Paul Walter Hauser.

Reegs: Oh, yeah. I, I called him a dick on, um... I said, like he he used to be cool because because his political views are really horrible, but-

Cris: Right ... he's

Reegs: really cool.

Cris: He's- I like him as an actor. I don't know, I don't, I don't know his personal-

Reegs: Um, do you remember the security guard I, in I Tonya? The, he was in I, Tonya, the,

Sidey: he was brilliant in that

Reegs: I'd have to look him up, but sure Oh, you'd, you'd really- I would thoroughly remember He's just, unfortunately he's all MAGA and all that sort of

Cris: thing There's Halsey, which I've never heard of this. Is, is this a, uh- Halsey? Halsey, yes.

Reegs: That's a rapper, is it? rapper, is it?

Cris: American singer-songwriter. I've never heard of this woman in my life, but she's in this. Uh, and, and this is how she looks like if anyone has ever seen her before.

Dan: Have I

Reegs: Okay. Have I seen her? I've seen,

Cris: yeah

Reegs: I've never seen

Cris: Halsey?

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: anyway, she's in it with that guy, with Hauser, Paul Hauser, and Eric Dane, blah, blah, blah. There's some p- actors- Yeah Yeah. and it's a, it's a... Do you know what? It's a kinda like a crime Western hillbilly film, and they all speak kinda Southern and it's qui- but it's actually- Oh ... I'm gonna say it was actually quite good. Okay. only thing that is really unbelievable is that Sydney Sweeney's got this... She looks the way she looks, and then there's no boobs. That only always sh- wears a shirt and like she's all tucked in. But, uh, she has a stutter. And throughout the film, it just makes it really hardly believable that she has that stutter. I don't know why. Um-

Sidey: Well, she was doing that thing where she wanted to prove that she could act, you know, for a little while, so she would maybe do that. She did the boxing one It a was a massive flop. flop

Reegs: Yeah, it was a big

Sidey: flop. Um, and then so she's just gone that was a massive flop and- Yeah, it was a big flop then so she's just gone back to Euphoria- Just,

Reegs: yeah ... playing a lonely fat girl who hits herself. So- as a

Reegs: baby- ... and

Sidey: and,

Reegs: sucking on a

Sidey: on a

Reegs: lollipop

Sidey: and- What was that, what was that particular Well, then what with the, fetish for the, sploshing or something with the ice cream drippings that- they that, Dan? kept talking about. Sounds like your sort of Sounds like your sort of

Reegs: area.

Dan: No.

Sidey: Don't remember. Sorry. Sploshing. I

Sidey: I don't can't remember. I think it might be sploshing.

Cris: Anyway, that, I watched that and, and it's, it's, it's good. There's a really good scene at the beginning where the kid... There's a kid that, uh, he claims he's the reincarnation of, uh, Sitting Bull. Okay. And, uh, he shoot... Well, he doesn't actually shoot him, he, uh, does- Bow An Arrow Yeah. He throws the arrow. He, he, he kills this guy, his, his mom's boyfriend. Shoots him with an arrow He kills the mom's boyfriend. The, the, the man has a gun, but he... and he's like, "Fuck, I can't believe you killed me, kid." He's, as he, as he dies with a arrow in his heart, so it's quite good. Um- Yeah ... so yeah, that, that. I watched that and that's it. It

Sidey: just woke up for me. We had, we were- Yeah ... like plowing through The Pit, and I think we've got six episodes to go of season two, but I didn't watch any more of it

Cris: this week. Mm. Okay.

Dan: Watched a little bit of that last one, Laughing.

Sidey: I'd bother with that. Um, it's actu- It...

Sidey: I probably followed that.

Dan: some, some funny moments. Just seeing it's actually...

Sidey: actually...

Dan: Oh, no, very, very, yeah. That scene on- Some funny-

Sidey: just seen Yeah funny. I enjoyed I've just seen the clips that I wanna see of... But I just really wanna watch proper one, but just really wanna watch Bob I'm not not interested in this. Um,

Sidey: Um-

Reegs: Should we talk

Dan: about some motorbikes? There is, there is- something, um, funny about not being able to able

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And, um-

Reegs: No, I really enjoyed it. Sam Chapman I think his name.

Sidey: I do like

Reegs: really strange guy. Yeah. Um, very funny. Have you ever seen

Sidey: him, yeah Really

Reegs: strange

Sidey: guy.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: I've never really watched any very funny. Have you

Sidey: aren't Oh, it's good. He's ever was kicking off seen him on, on Taskmaster? He was really good on Taskmaster. I've never really watched any Taskmaster. I think I might- Oh, it's good. He's Australian, right? Oh, everyone's kicking off about the new series because it's got, um- Richard Ayoade

Reegs: Ayoade

Sidey: and

Reegs: Matt Lucas

Sidey: Yeah. Uh, because he did blackface blackface 20-something years ago.

Reegs: As far as I can work out, Richard Ayoade's crime- Which one? He's,

Sidey: he's, he- ... was

Reegs: not being horrible to Graham

Sidey: Norton ... he hasn't spoken out about Graham Norton, yeah. So- It's a bit-- So the, the righteous ones are saying that they should be not on the show. I'm not

Reegs: I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Sidey: And I don't find Matt particularly funny, but he did something 20 years ago when culturally it was very different, and he has apologized for it, and he has moved on, so get over it. Yeah. I

Reegs: don't remember people talking about it in

Sidey: that context. Well,

Dan: the,

Sidey: the, the Little Britain,

Dan: And I

Sidey: the Little Britain kind of thing- Yeah. Yeah ... was

Dan: the funniest thing in the world at

Sidey: the time, wasn't it? Yeah. Everybody was like, "Oh, look at this." Everyone looks through a different lens now, and you wouldn't do it. You wouldn't ma- you wouldn't make it now. So anyway.

Reegs: But there was still some of that stuff that was pretty sharp. I mean, even if you didn't like them, like I wasn't a big fan, but Andy and Lou, whatever it was, the wheelchair guy in impossible situations great.

Sidey: really got on with was great. Yeah. I've never really got on with David Walliams, so.

Reegs: No, and he is- He is weird, yeah ... a real weird sex pest-y horrible man.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Um-

Sidey: Anyway, should we talk about some motorcycles? Yeah. Let's do this Right. Top five motorcycles. I'm amazed that we've not done this before.

Reegs: Mm.

Sidey: Maybe we have and we've just forgotten about it. we've just forgotten about it, but But anyway, we'll do it again if

Reegs: I'm amazed that we've not done this before. Mm. Maybe we have and we've just forgotten it. But anyway, we'll do it again if... we have- We have to get our AI to parse out all the, uh, top fives from-

Sidey: Yeah. Well, we have got a new website.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Which What? Which I've been talking about. Yeah, we have, yeah. Universe.baddadsfilm.com.

Dan: Universe. So

Sidey: you can go into that, and you can ask it to give you a film recommendation. Right. If, things that Dan likes, and it'll tell you the films

Dan: Wow. the films that Dan likes. Wow, okay.

Sidey: Or films with monsters at Christmas. So

Dan: could- Things like that. You can

Sidey: ask it-

Dan: You

Sidey: it-

Dan: You could choose- and it'll do

Sidey: stuff ...

Dan: you could go to... to... to... that website again?

Sidey: Universe.baddadsfilm.com.

Dan: And you could go, "What is Dan's favorite film?" And you could then choose- And

Reegs: it'll say, "Cats" will come straight up. up.

Dan: It'd be

Sidey: right

Cris: up.

Dan: It'll be right at the top there.

Cris: And it will be a picture of you licking your own balls.

Reegs: So it's quite good. What is really

Dan: accurate-

Reegs: Is it does-- Well, because it has read all the transcripts, it does actually have genuine quotes and stuff that people have said for each movie, and it's picked out some quotes.

Sidey: And also in line with that we've recorded nearly 6 million words of gibberish throughout-

Dan: Yeah ... the

Sidey: years

Dan: of

Reegs: these

Dan: shows. No, and we haven't used AI for it. We've painstakingly gone through this so you can have it- Dan typed them all out- Yeah Ex- Yeah.

Dan: on a typewriter. Ex-exactly. Yeah. Tom Hanks

Sidey: style. Yeah.

Dan: So when people think that we've been working, we haven't. We've been doing this.

Sidey: Yeah. Um, one of the first motorcycles that I thought of was the of was Harley Davidson Fat Boy.

Reegs: It's a well-known motorbike.

Sidey: What movie we thinking of? I think you're thinking

Reegs: of a particular movie

Sidey: then. I'm thinking of, uh, I Need Your Clothes, Your Boots, and Your Motorcycle. Oh. Arnie in Terminator 2. Ah. Pole on in Terminator 2- Ah colon Yes. Yeah.

Reegs: Okay. I

Cris: I was thinking about... Okay, yes, yeah. T2.

Sidey: T2. Yeah. He

Dan: did

Sidey: have that helmet as well, yeah. Which he does the glasses, which I think he then does in 3 with the kid's glasses. Well,

Dan: I think he rips off on motorcycles on all the Terminators, all of the Terminators, isn't he?

Sidey: But this one is where he is tracking the T-1000s, and we get that fucking unbelievably great sequence through the- Like the- Viaduct?

Dan: Aqueduct? Yes, the

Cris: LA kinda,

Sidey: Like yeah

Dan: where Greece Lightning was filmed.

Sidey: T-1000's in the big fucking 18-wheeler.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And he's on his Harley, but he's also doing the one-handed reload- Yeah ... of the shotgun whilst riding it, it. shooting the gates so he can go through. Shoots the- Yeah ... um, the wheels out.

Reegs: And this is where you see some of the extent of the new Terminator's powers, when he's blown up in the truck and then emerges from the fire- Just

Sidey: regenerates Yeah, Yeah, he regenerates sort of metallic sort of- And you

Reegs: think,

Dan: "Oh, my "Oh,

Reegs: Yeah. "You You "

Reegs: You can't beat this guy." Yeah. You thought Arnie was bad.

Sidey: Yeah. I think at one stage he picks up the kid and just puts him on the motorcycle- Yeah ... as he's

Dan: 'Cause at, driving. Fucking great. 'Cause at, at some stage you thought, "This guy's never gonna beat Arnie." And then you realize, "Oh, wait a minute. Okay, he's got a few more tools in his, his belt than Arnie does."

Sidey: Pete, this is Pete

Reegs: Peak, this is peak Yeah, I think-- and has there was a peak Arnie role. ever been a more, like, perfect combination of actor and role-

Sidey: Yeah. That's

Reegs: at great ... than Arnie at that time to play that? And

Sidey: also- And no words Yeah from like- Yeah ... assassin robot to hero robot- Yeah ... is great as well. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: good. Yeah. that's it, because they blend it into the film, right? They all freak out, and they say, "No, this time," like, "I'm just a standard issue. They've sent me back-" This would

Sidey: have to be- "... I've, I've been

Dan: reprogrammed to

Sidey: be good now" ... in the same way that, um, Marvel did with Endgame. This would have to come out with like, "Please don't spoil this," people who don't... 'cause, you know- who don't... 'Cause, you know- 'Cause Yeah then you didn't really even have the internet.

Dan: No. Right.

Sidey: Um, so people would have probably still gone to the cinema, hopefully not knowing that he was gonna be- I think

Reegs: they gave away the twist in the trailer though, didn't they?

Sidey: Possibly, but I... It would've, it would've been... You could've maybe got in cold.

Reegs: But yeah, much colder than these days. Um,

Sidey: it, would've been cool to do that. So yeah, hi David the

Reegs: fat boy.

Sidey: Hmm.

Dan: Cor's going cold. Reid, what you got?

Reegs: I bought a vampire motorcycle.

Dan: Yeah. Move

Reegs: Where, where? Uh, and that is my film. D- I don't know if you remember this one. Um, uh, it was Neil Morrissey- ... back in the '90s. It starred, starred, um I remember watching this this Goodness Yeah, it's been the same ... one night. Who's Vincent? Yeah. It was, it was two years before he went on to do, um-

Dan: Men Behaving Badly Badly

Reegs: Behaving Badly. And, uh, this one starred Anthony Daniels, who of course was C-3PO. It was like, I remember watching this on a late-night sort of Channel 4 type thing, hoping to find tits and, not finding tits, finding a really bad- um, movie about a vampire, uh, uh, motorcycle that kills people in Birmingham. Um, because like, n- think just if in Birmingham, Birmingham, you just wanna kill people, I guess. Yeah. Uh-

Cris: of course. What else? Or if not people, yourself.

Reegs: Yeah. If

Cris: you find yourself there. yourself killed,

Reegs: So- There's like some comically bad one. I remember a tea lady getting crushed and, uh, some other bits and pieces. Um, the Norton Commando that they used in it was a genuine rarity, and the director was harangued afterwards for pranging it about- Oh, really? ... uh, on the set.

Dan: Harangued?

Reegs: Mm.

Dan: What does Hmm. What does mean? Hassled.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Okay. Right, well, this is no haranguing to talk about this one. Um, two bikers chart out their journey from LA to New Orleans.

Sidey: Easy Rider?

Dan: Easy Rider, Rider.

Sidey: That's the Captain America chopper, isn't it?

Dan: Yeah. You've got, um, Dennis Hopper, you've got Peter Fonda. Fonda. You've got, a young

Dan: Nicholson, um, making- Scene s- stealing, s- scene, scene-stealing moments even. Um-

Reegs: That was it had the, the stars and stripes painted on the fuel-

Dan: fuel tank- Yeah, the fuel tank ... didn't it? Yeah, the fuel tank tank, didn't it? Yeah. I've got a picture of it.

Reegs: Oh, have you?

Dan: The-

Sidey: I s- I looked at a picture of

Reegs: it earlier today, but

Sidey: it earlier today, it's,

Dan: it's

Sidey: a beautiful bike, isn't it? It's got a real, you know, Easy not necessarily rider, so it's proper l- lean back style with the wide but you've just got- It's got quite a lot of chrome handlebar stuff

Reegs: yeah, it's all chrome

Dan: on where

Sidey: you're just like- It's got quite a lot of chrome on it and stuff. Yeah, it's all chrome it? apart from the, the fuel tank, yeah. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. And you know, it's the, the hippie movement and it was real drugs- Counterculture ... real drugs used in, in the scenes. Dennis Hopper

Sidey: was in full psychopath mode during-

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: this this period of his life. It Um- was not nice

Dan: to be around him. He'd gone

Reegs: method on, on everything. Yeah.

Dan: And yeah, it was, um... I mean, the, the bikes were absolutely amazing. They were the Harley Davidson kind of things. Um, but it There were the Harley-Davidson kind of things, um, actually had dirt bikes and, um, they had a Bultaco, um, Persan. Um, so totally different, um, bikes. They had, uh, police bikes used in there as well. Um, and they all went on auction years later, and people bought them in auctions, and I'm sure they're all worth millions now, probably couple of million in, uh, in museums. Um, but the chopper was the one that, that everybody kind of remembers- Yeah ... because, um, Nicholson was was just cruising along, and he had that kind of bucket helmet on, um, looking absolute mad cap i- i- i- on the back of, uh, the bikes. And,

Reegs: It's Dennis Hopper drives it a it a lot, he?

Reegs: he?

Dan: Yeah. Dennis, well, Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda are- Mm-hmm on the bike, and it- they pick up Nicholson- Yeah ... hitchhiking, don't they? Um-

Reegs: I don't Don't remember it all that well ...

Dan: and it's, um, there's a really weird kind of, uh, psychedelic scene in there, um, which, you know, you think actually now going back to it how, how well they captured it and everything, but it was. I mean- Yeah when I was watching it, first watched it, it was- Yeah. ... they're absolutely, yeah, they're absolutely off their head. But, um, yeah, it was, um, you know, a, a classic motorcycle movie going through, uh, America, and there's that scene where, um, they're just taken out at the end on, on bikes as well. So, Mm Mm-hmm. Yeah, a classic. And the, the soundtrack is, is fantastic as well.

Reegs: well.

Cris: Christian? Um, I've got a, a classic. A classic from,

Reegs: Oh, no ... 1963.

Dan: Okay.

Cris: Okay. going with, with a great actor who is somewhere on these walls, I'm pretty sure Oh, Steve McQueen ... Steve McQueen jumping the barbed wire

Dan: The Great Escape

Cris: The Great Escape. Yeah Escape. Yeah. Uh, has to be done, it has to be said. Yeah. Apparently the motorbike is a Triumph TR6 Trophy- Correct from 1961 Yeah,

Dan: yeah, yeah.

Cris: Um, and, uh, this is what the internet told me. Obviously, I've seen the film, and I loved it. I didn't know this, but apparently the person riding the bike in the film is not Steve McQueen himself. Yeah. Yeah. Although- He was an

Dan: excellent motorcyclist ...

Cris: although apparently he was really good, and he- Well, he

Reegs: had a He has the original patent on the bucket seat. Does he? Yeah. Okay The racing bucket seat, that was Steve McQueen.

Cris: Okay. Wow

Reegs: He The racing bucket seat. That was Steve That was Steve McQueen.

Cris: He... Yeah, he, Wow. He had a

Dan: a big had a big passion for it

Cris: for it. he, he really loved it, but apparently the studios were like, "We're not gonna let you-

Dan: No ...

Cris: do it. You're the lead man, and you're g- And apparently there was, uh, the, the rider was a guy called Bud Edkins. Eakins. Bud Eakins, Eakins. Bud Eakins. who was a friend of him, and the California Off-Road Desert Racing champion. Yeah. Oh. So there you go. That's what the internet told me. But the film, that was pretty much the first one I thought when you said motorbikes, uh, just because- Fair ... I think, I don't think there's a more classic film than, than that w- has such a handsome man on a motorbike

Reegs: dad film that is,

Sidey: a Dutch film ending.

Reegs: Yeah. Bold act.

Sidey: dad. Uh, I've got a couple of Was that I've got a couple of Kawasakis for you for you. Kawasaki Kawasaki

Sidey: Kawasaki GPZ900R

Reegs: GPZ900R Okay.

Sidey: Tom Cruise missile. Yeah. Oh.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: Oh, Yes. In Top Gun, uh, riding around with his aviators on, uh- To Kerry- Kenny Loggins ... and yeah, in the photograph where he's not wearing a helmet. No. But he was, you know, something of a maverick. That, yeah. That scene as well, just I... E- you just can't think, uh, not think of Hot Shots. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where He's going alongside of the speed bumps and, speed bumps Yeah. Yeah. And then we have the Kawas- uh, hang on. It's the Kawasaki Z1000. Uh, that's the Toe Cutters gang in in Mad Max, the original.

Reegs: Oh, yes.

Sidey: They kind of look a a little bit like police bikes in a way. They've got that windshield that comes up. They call that the wind something. or other, I think they call I can't remember what they call them in bike world. or other. I've forgotten what they call it in bike world. Um, so they don't look quite as cool as Tom Cruise's, and the guy's wearing a crash helmet, which makes him a nerd. a nerd. Um, but a couple of a nerd. Um, Kawasakis. Nice.

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: Um, did anybody ever watch Street Hawk?

Sidey: Yes.

Reegs: Uh, that was a classic from the- Yeah ... childhood, 1985. 1985.

Sidey: that you could steer it at the bike at that speed. Who was in that? It

Reegs: was- Rex was the actor. I looked it up- today. Oh, he played- ... tonight. Jesse Mach, um, an ex-motorcycle cop re-reassigned re-reassigned desk duty after a serious knee injury sustained in the line of duty Flat tire. out. That one Um, he's secretly recruited by federal agent Norman Tuttle to field test Street Hawk, a government prototype bike- 'Cause they had Knight

Sidey: Rider

Reegs: Well, this... I'm built by Ryder. on a Well, this... I'm coming onto that. Okay. Hang on a second. But this thing was capable of 300 miles an hour- um, via a system called hyperthrust. Do you remember it went so fast it left its light behind? Right. As it went... Oh man, it was so good. I'm getting excited. It had a nose-mounted particle beam, machine guns, rocket launchers. Um, it ran for 13 13 episodes in a single season up against Knight Rider and spectacularly failed. It was a big hit though in India and Argentina, where in Argentina it was released as The Fantastic Motorcycle as part of a shared universe of The Fantastic Car, Knight Rider, and The Fantastic Helicopter. I gonna say was gonna say Airwolf. Airwolf. Airwolf was a thing as well.

Sidey: this

Reegs: film? there was,

Sidey: Blue Thunder as wasn't Blue Thunder as well? Yeah. Uh,

Reegs: might've That

Sidey: might be a film.

Reegs: That was a film, I think. So yeah, that... in Argentina, that was a shared universe of Street Hawk, What a um-

Sidey: be in.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: That's pretty good, I, I'm gonna

Reegs: say. Knight Industries too.

Sidey: Kit, well, Michael- Fantastic. 1000 on top of it. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah. And the bike they used was a Honda XR500 chassis. Wow. go. Okay. Okay. Well,

Dan: That's nice. Well, um, I'm going into the, the real world of Evel Knievel.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: You remember Evel?

Sidey: Yeah. I do.

Dan: He was literally the daredevil. Do you remember Evel Knievel? Yeah. Was it someone- Yeah ... got as far as, as,

Sidey: those wankers, like, jumping around the fucking White House lawn at the weekend. Yeah. But, yeah.

Dan: On the UFC kind of stuff. Well, he was, uh... Evel Knievel, put

Sidey: up a picture of the White House in front of the White House for

Reegs: for him to for them

Dan: to jump. Yeah. Fucking classic stuff. House- Um, didn't it's, Classic stuff. Um, it's, um... I mean, Evel Knievel would jump over, like, 14 buses and stuff like that, and I think he even went to jump over the Grand Canyon at one point, uh, he was- Did he do it? I'm

Cris: pretty sure he did, yeah.

Dan: Yeah. He, he had a go. Um, did he make it? I'm not sure. a parish- had had a parachute. Yeah, it was No, I It was kind of a No, I think he came a suits in it and, uh- Yeah. Hit the rocks and walked the planks there. He was trying to attach the parachute. Um, he used a Skycycle, um, X2 for the jump- Did he? ... but the parachute, he? But the parachute, deployed early. Um, and then the drag prevented him from reaching his landing spot. He survived, but everybody was just, like, shouting at him like, "That's rubbish." And it's like he just jumped off the fucking- Boo. Yeah. Like, amazing. But, um, he broke, like, every bone in his body at least once in his- Yeah.

Cris: Yeah, there's a famous X-ray of his... Like, there's an X-ray, and you can see, like, all the screws and metal plates and everything. It's just like-

Reegs: broken is his penis. I heard. He did Total Ducha as Like

Dan: totally- Well, that's Well, that's 'cause it's an organ. Um-

Reegs: Yeah And they, they, they had Duke Caboom in the Toy Story movie, if you remember Yeah. He was, Keanu Reeves- Yeah ... he was the basically evil, cannibal toy, wasn't he?

Dan: Yeah. was... Keanu Reeves. Yeah. He was the basically Evel Knievel toy, wasn't it? Yeah. Um- Great name, Duke Caboom Great

Reegs: name, Duke

Dan: Caboom ... yeah, they, they put metal rods in bones, and they said they would never be able to jump again. But as soon as he got to the hospital, he's ... he said to all the press, "Yeah, I'll be jumping the Grand Canyon." like. Like- ... I he just he mean, he just, he had no- All the strength and wheeling him in ... yeah, he had no off button. He, he was just an, an absolute daredevil and, um, certainly worth a mention in the, in the motorcycle bad dads dads episode.

Cris: That is correct. Um, you mentioned, uh, Kawasaki, and you mentioned Tom Cruise. Yeah. In Mission Impossible 3, there's a, a, a a chase, uh, in Mo- Mission Impossible 3, Rogue Nation, sorry. It's ... He's on a Kawasaki S1000RR, uh, uh, in the hills of Casablanca, and he's chased by the syndicate's people. Mm. Uh, and he is only in his Hawaiian shirt, sunglasses- Yeah and, and, uh, all these, obviously, and all these other, uh, dicks are on with helmets and leathers and also knee pads and all that. And he, he does his own stunts, as we all know. Tom Cruise is a legend. Yay. And, And, um, he ... On the ... There is a scene where he ... The way they turn in real life on a motorbike, there's a reason why they have the padded knees. Yeah. Because they kinda hit- Yeah. Yeah ... put their knee- Knee on the floor ... to, to hold themselves up or whatever, and he does exactly the same but with his jeans. His actual jeans. With his jeans. So he's, he- he- his knees are padded naturally, I think. Yeah. Nice. Um, so I've got that as a ... It, it's a quite nice looking motorbike really, to be fair. Um, and it ... That is also, um, a Kawasaki. And I've got another Kawasaki, ZZR250 ZZR250 in Kill Bill- Yeah Yeah ... uh, volume one,

Cris: when she rides in the streets of Tokyo looking for the crazy 88 and Oren Ishii. Oren O-Ren Ishii, that's Ishii, that's right. On a yellow Kawasaki ZZR250. ZZR250.

Reegs: It's painted the Bruce Lee colors, isn't it?

Cris: Yellow and black. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Just like bright yellow, flashy. Kinda. It's cool actually. And, um, it's, it's apparently this model is, uh, really comfortable for long distance riding.

Dan: That's

Sidey: Wow. what they said about your mum, wasn't it? Wow And that's why people That's why

Sidey: That's why people tune out people tune in And when you say

Dan: people, you mean Sidie?

Sidey: No. Yeah, um- What what about... Right, so there's a trilogy of films, uh, starting with "Batman Begins", and in that one he gets his car.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Batpod- I think it's The Batpod? I think it's the Tumbler, isn't it? The car he's called Yeah ... is

Sidey: or something like that.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Um, and then that carries through into the second film, but it gets blown up by, I think, I think a rocket launcher maybe by the Joker. Yeah. Yeah. and it

Sidey: says on its little display that, you know, it's gonna fucking explode- It's when

Reegs: he's chasing him with- in the semi, isn't it? And 'cause he comes out he- 'cause he comes out the Batpod the, uh... the, motorbike.

Sidey: Yeah. And he So it's, comes out on the Batpod thing, the motorbike. Yeah. And he-- So it's, it comes up on the display saying, you know, "The car's fucked," know, whatever. you know, whatever. And you know, whatever. And he starts to, like, maneuver- Go through side ... into Yeah ... into the footwell. Yeah. Uh, and then the kids are... I think the kids are watching, and it, it it of does then kind of like disintegrate, but from the, uh, ashes of it, he scoots away on his Batpod motorcycle thing. It's It's got two fucking enormous wheels. Yeah. And at one point he sort of drives it up vertically onto a wall and pivots it round and then drives off again.

Reegs: He's along the roofs as well and stuff, isn't he?

Sidey: He uses it to attach a wire. It's a great sequence. I wish I'd seen it it it IMAX. When the Joker's in the- Mm ... um, that great big 18-wheeler again- Yeah and he attaches a he attaches a a metal cable to it, around some lamp post, and then we see the whole thing- Oh Oh ... which they did practically- Yeah ... 'cause he does, Nolan does everything practically. Like flip this fucking huge thing, and then it crashes down, and he's there on his bike. Yeah. It's fucking rad. He's got machine guns either side, in fact, I can fact,

Reegs: I can see. He

Sidey: does. Yeah. Nice. Cool.

Reegs: Um, the Ducati 996 driven by Carrie-Anne Moss in "The Matrix Reloaded." Yeah. It's one of my favorite motorbike scenes of all time, when they're escaping on the freeway, and she has to drive, uh-

Cris: It's oncoming traffic, no?

Reegs: It's oncoming traffic at full speed with the Keymaker on her back, um, leading to an epic- In the Leathers little showdown. She looks so hot in her leathers and her, her, um- It's got that massive- Leathers. Yeah ... green

Dan: filter on the whole-

Reegs: Yeah ... back of it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. yeah. Um, absolutely brilliant. brilliant. Um, and, uh, don't know. don't know. Probably just coming up to nods

Dan: well,

Reegs: soon, I would think.

Dan: Well, I've got mine on, Well, I've got my Nom, and it's a beauty. I've seen this film probably two or three times, and it's not

Sidey: it's not-

Dan: one-

Sidey: movie?

Dan: Sorry? "

Sidey: Cabana" is the movie? I-

Dan: I watched it last week ... two or three, not five or six yet. Um, no, it's, um, a, a guy called Roger Donaldson. no, You may have heard of him from "Cocktail." Cocktail. he did, uh, The "The Bounty." He did "Dante's Peak."

Reegs: Okay.

Dan: He also did the Burt Monroe biopic Tell us more.

Reegs: Yeah, I'm gonna need a bit more information.

Dan: You don't know who Burt Burt Munro Munro is?

Reegs: Maybe, but give

Dan: me a Tell us bit more. Burt Munro Maybe, but give me a bit more Burt Munro is a motorcycle racer from New Zealand, uh, famous for setting the speed- Land speed ... land speed record. Um, and Sir Anthony Hopkins played him- Oh ... in Oh ... in The World's Fastest Indian. Right. right ... in "The World's

Reegs: There

Dan: we go which is a really sweet kind of film. Um, he was, um... His, his record still kind of stands. Um, he made it at Bonneville. They were just-

Sidey: He won

Dan: it, was ... he was, like, 60-odd years old, um, dibbering in his,

Reegs: his,

Dan: um,

Reegs: his

Dan: his garage, playing with sort of this bike and, um, he didn't know anything about how to enter. He just knew he had a really fast bike, and he wanted to do it for the purest reasons of, "I just wanna race it." Like- Yeah ... you know. And, and you go across these sand flats in, uh, in Bonneville 'cause they're, they're huge, just open- They're bigger than that ... kind of. They're, they're massive. You're right. They're bigger than huge. Um, and they're flat, and you can just keep on going and going and going. And, and so he gets there. He spends all his money he's been saving up. He gets on a boat from New Zealand. He takes his boat over, he goes there, and they just think he's some dibbering old man- Mm ... like who's got a bike. And he goes, "Oh, yeah, yeah." But he knows everything about bikes, and he's kind of zooped it up. I, I'm sure that's the right terminology. I'm

Cris: sure. Yeah.

Dan: and, um, he ended up going back years and years afterwards, setting new land speed records. He did 10 visits in the end, and he set spe- uh, three, uh, three, uh, speed records. As I say, w- one of them still stands. Yeah. Um, and he was, like, 68 years old when he, he did that. Just

Reegs: fast in the

Dan: street ... on a on a 47-year-old motorbike, um, that he'd just- Choosed zooped up. Zooped, I think. And, um, it was The World's Fastest Indian, a 2005 film. Um, and it was a bloody excellent New Zealand. Um, it cost around seven mil New Zealand dollars- Remember ... um, for the, um, for the film, and it made, like, 20 bajillion- mil- Bajillion you know, 20 bajillion mil. Bajillion Yeah, 20 bajillion mil. Um, I don't I don't know if we've ever done it for the pod. I think we have.

Sidey: We have not.

Dan: We have not? We have not? Then it's, it's... Have you ever seen it?

Sidey: No. You've

Dan: never seen it?

Sidey: Still no.

Dan: I think that's-

Cris: Is it the one where, where he, where his motorbike, he's kind of lying flat on it, and he kind of drives it like that? he kind

Dan: Kind of, yeah,

Cris: almost like, he's almost like he's-

Dan: He,

Cris: um- He's like- He's also

Dan: memorable

Cris: for- feet in the back, and he just kinda lays on it, 'cause I'm pretty sure I've seen that ...

Dan: pisses on his lemon tree, um, a lot, and he's, lot and he encourages the kid next door to do it while he's away. He goes, "Would you come and- Piss on my lemon tree Piss on my lemon tree ... piss on my lemon tree while I'm away?" Okay. Um, and, and, pears. What is it? The piss, it makes

Reegs: the lemons

Dan: tear, does it? Yeah, it, apparently. It might be pears. Um, but either way, there was- Is it nitrogen? Does

Reegs: it

Dan: have a

Reegs: lot of nitrogen in

Dan: piss? It, there might be nitrogen or some kind of- I've been told I need to add nitrogen of

Sidey: lemon tree 'cause its its leaves are yellow. Nitrogen. All right.

Dan: Oh, there there you go. Just go piss all over it. Piss it. it. Piss- There we go. Piss, piss, piss. piss. Well, there you go. Piss. Yeah. I'll do that when I get home. Piss, piss, piss. Um- yeah, that would be my nom. And maybe I will nom that then now that I know that you have not- Nommed

Sidey: it ... nommed it. nommed it.

Dan: Nom it. Nom nom. nom. Christian?

Cris: Okay. Um, I've got a few honorable mentions, then I have my nom. Um, a f- pr- a film called Priest with Paul Bettany. Yeah. Yeah. This... It's quite a lot of motorbike content in that because everybody's pretty mu- It's like a sci-fi-

Reegs: he's an angel, isn't he? A- Is he?

Cris: He's not a... No, he's not an angel. He's the... Oh. it's like a utopian future where he is almost like the Judge Dredd of these- Oh, Judge Dredd's a good one ... of this kind of-

Reegs: I thought it was all I thought angels were demons.

Dan: He's got some

Reegs: I thought

Cris: they were angels and demons and stuff There are demons, but the, the, the demons are dead. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: So, so they don't, they technically don't exist, and he's kinda just like a, a rogue ex-priest because he's, hasn't got a purpose. He doesn't hunt these creatures anymore- Right ... because all the hives and all that have been disused. But then, can't remember how, but he finds out that one of them is still in use, and there's a, a building of an army of all these zombie-

Reegs: a diner, isn't it, out in the middle of nowhere, I think, Isn't it? is

Cris: it? think, is it? Uh, it's a lot on motorbikes, and he- Yeah ... kinda goes in, into the hive, and it kills a lot of, of these zombie-looking creatures. Yeah. Um, and there's, there's a lot of them, and he has, like, really cool glasses, and it's kinda like a, it's kinda like a Mad Max meets Judge Dredd kinda thing.

Reegs: Okay.

Cris: I, if I remember correctly. I've seen it. I've definitely seen it, and it's... I actually thought it was quite good. It's filmed in almost, like, that sepia look as well, where it's, where it's almost black and white, but it's not black and white. Um, a shout-out to Ducati again. There's a Ducati Sport 1000 in Tron, the 2010 the 2010 one. Uh,

Reegs: Oh, Tron: Legacy.

Cris: Yes, in that one. And there's also a Ducati, but it's a newer model, in the one we did for the pod, in Tron: Ares- Ares, yeah yeah. where they leave the light behind, and that's a Ducati as well.

Dan: Well, we're Well, we've been sponsored by Ducati this, uh, this pod, so so thank you very much for the bikes, Ducati. Ducati. We We really enjoyed them.

Cris: Well, I've also got a Honda, um, CL in a, in a book that I know you've read, but it's a film called The Girls With the Drag- The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. Oh,

Dan: yeah.

Cris: And she drives a- Lisbeth

Dan: Lisbeth

Cris: Salander Her.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: She drives a Honda CL.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: Uh, and then I've got my gnome.

Dan: Well, the, the Honda Go for it. Let's hear it Hero- Hero ... 100 was a bike that I wanted to, to mention, um, which is you get heavily- But he's got nothing to do with it featured in, uh, in Indian movies. Oh. Um, and Salman Khan, I think, uh, I think, uh, was in an early advert for them, and they are the coolest bikes. I might have shown you earlier on, on the interwebs interweb.

Cris: Okay. My gnome. The gnome is, um... I don't actually know the motorbike. I think it's a Harley Davidson. It's, uh, in a film called, um, Pulp Fiction, and it belongs to Zed. Oh, Zed.

Sidey: It's Oh, Zed. not a bike, baby. It's a chopper.

Cris: Pardon?

Sidey: It's not a bike, baby. It's a chopper. It's chopper. It's not a

Cris: bike, baby. It's a Can I have that, though?

Sidey: Yeah,

Cris: yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Sidey: That's just what he says. says.

Dan: film.

Cris: I know, I know. And then who is Zed? Zed's Zed. Uh, so, so that. I, I, I didn't actually do the research on that one. I just wrote it down because I, I thought that was pretty much the first one I thought of, and I, I was surprised no one said that, uh, yet. We don't get to see it actually get, like, driven or r- I don't know.

Sidey: Just a little bit when he, he tears off with our... That's it.

Cris: Yeah. Yeah, just at the end, but nobody really... You can see Zed just parking it, and then you see the keys, and you see him at the end. But-

Reegs: But- I think you see him at the motel with it outside.

Cris: Yeah, when he's waiting for,

Sidey: dead,

Cris: you you Step, step ... for waiting for Adrianne ... for know, for Adrienne or whatever. Adrianne. Yeah.

Reegs: Fair. Um,

Sidey: forgot to mention, very remiss of me, but we did have a lot of, um, chat about holidays from last week's pod- Oh, did

Reegs: we? ...

Sidey: on Discord, yeah. Uh- Fun. Um- What did

Reegs: people say?

Sidey: Richie waded

Sidey: weighed in and said, um, can't comedy did mention Adam Sandler, whose entire Netflix Netflix contract is made of films where it's integral to the plot that he goes on holiday.

Reegs: Yes,

Sidey: that's true.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. So, um, um, she says-

Dan: Uh, Apart from that basketball one.

Sidey: Or or did he go on holiday in in that? They range from the extremely average, the rom-coms like Murder Mystery 2 et cetera, to some of the worst films that any human's ever made ever. Going Overboard, Grown Ups, et cetera. Grown Ups is is bad, yeah. The one exception is probably Hotel Transylvania 3, which is of course a masterpiece. which is of course a Okay. Yeah.

Dan: Uh, have

Sidey: What was What was the one that we did, uh- Haven't ever seen Just Go With It

Dan: where he was, um, um, looking at- It was- Uncut Gems Uncut Gems ... it was, it was Uncut Gems. That was quite a good Adam Sandler one. Maybe-

Cris: it wasn't Not on holiday It's not

Sidey: a holiday, though. No. So the, the... she's, Breachy says, "Have you ever seen Just Go With It? Probably the most egregious example of him going on holiday in a film just for zero reason." Nice. Uh, plus it's about eight hours long. Um, and then Darren said a holiday top five without The Long Good Friday. Um, and then Mel chimes in saying holiday's gotta rye, Wolf Creek. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's very rye. And The Beach. Um, and of course Apex, which we mention, did actually talk about.

Reegs: about. Yeah.

Sidey: Oh, that's all good, that. Um, so there's that's all good that. So there's that. Um, so you mentioned Tron, but didn't mention the light cycles. Yeah. Is that gonna be a no?

Reegs: No.

Sidey: Okay. 'Cause they are cool. They leave behind a trail of light, which if you go into it-

Cris: Yeah

Sidey: like a physical wall. Yeah. Or it can actually just cut you in half like a blade. Like a laser. a laser. which is pretty cool.

Reegs: Like a laser a laser blade.

Sidey: Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. Him and-

Reegs: The sidecar ...

Sidey: him and his dad in the sidecar.

Reegs: That's what I was thinking of in this week when I was doing this

Sidey: week's

Reegs: intro. week's

Sidey: intro. Yeah. Um, I like that, and they both look very handsome. Um, I think at one point has... he has... the father has to get out and waft his umbrella, um, to-

Reegs: I I I don't know if it's true, that he improvised the line, um, "She talks in her sleep."

Sidey: Oh, really?

Reegs: You know, when they're handcuffed together or whatever and- Yeah he's like, "Oh, I heard about..." She's the sexy German thing that Indy's been banging.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: And the father's like, "Oh, she talks in her sleep."

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. in her sleep." what were the musical ones? Yes. Uh, Leader of the Pack.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Leader of the Pack. of the fucks, gets it and the guy s- Yeah fucking stacks and dies, um, in song form. Um, Bat Out of Hell.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Uh, actually written by a guy called Jim Steinman. there's a lot of motorcycle vibes in that. Motorcycle Emptiness by Manic Street Preachers.

Reegs: Yeah. Shame.

Sidey: Um, Um, and and maybe... That do the, the thing in front. front. Uh, my nom is gonna be, um... it is, a, another Harley-Davidson. It's a 1947 Harley-Davidson Knucklehead, um, ridden by someone in a TV show that ran from 1974 to 1984.

Reegs: Okay.

Sidey: It jumped the shark.

Reegs: Oh, it's Fonzie. Yeah.

Sidey: Ah. Oh. And the reason I'm reason I'm picking it, I'm picking it, Ah.

Sidey: is because of s- uh, this one time that Pete misremembered the Fonzie and thought he had a catchphrase that said, "That's "That's the one."

Reegs: And I

Sidey: Oh, one." the one." And I just like to bring it up- Oh, Pete ... any possible chance I get. Yeah. Oh, dear. But also it's a

Reegs: super weird- Some neurons firing badly that day, isn't it?

Sidey: Yeah, it's and- Yeah, it's this isn't it? Yeah, it's a a super weird thing of this guy who hangs around with loads of really young teenage kids-

Reegs: Yeah ...

Sidey: who's clearly like in his 30s.

Reegs: Yeah, and he says, "Come into my office," and it's a toilet. office," and Yeah. He's this weird a strange guy.

Sidey: And just thought he was really everybody forgets he was played by a different actor. But yeah, that's

Dan: it. But he's actually one of, uh, the good guys, Um, and- Henry

Dan: in-

Sidey: Henry Winkler.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: His, um, Twitter feed is just him k- like straight off the fish that that he It's really good.

Reegs: good. Um,

Sidey: so yeah, that's a '47 Harley-Davidson Knucklehead.

Reegs: Nice. Uh, I've got a couple of honorable mentions. Um, Jeff Daniels and Jim Carrey on a scooter in Dumb and Dumber. Oh,

Sidey: yeah. Oh. miles to the gallon on this fucker." Or whatever

Reegs: as they can on this podcast. Or wherever

Reegs: is. Um, John Wick: Chapter 3, um, has the fight on katanas- Oh, Riker Oh, the Riker. Um, in the Paris- The

Sidey: Egypt ...

Reegs: streets. I think it In I think it is. No, it's New York, isn't it? And the,

Cris: the,

Reegs: um- twatting each other with katanas. Heavily inspired by the villainous, that South Korean-

Cris: after- I think,

Reegs: I

Dan: uh,

Cris: there was some of it was filmed in Chicago as well. Yeah. The John Wick.

Reegs: That was brilliant, that, um, sequence. Um- Was you

Dan: gonna mention... Oi, Bellboy. Quadrophenia.

Reegs: I was gonna mention that one. You're right, Dan. Um, that was Phil Daniels. Yeah. Can we put like 73 murals on that wall?

Cris: Kind of like

Dan: mirrors Jack,

Cris: Jack's cousin. Oh, Jack's cousin

Reegs: brother. Jack's

Dan: cousin.

Reegs: for some reason. Yeah. That was a- reason. all about two types of motorcycle people fighting, wasn't it? Yeah. Mods and rockers. Yeah. Um, with their other types of bikes, and had Sting as a really- Sting ... wimpy bellboy-

Dan: Yeah

Reegs: in it. And then I'm gonna go for my nomination. It's... I don't know why I'm picking this, um, because really it's sole job was, is in an old comedy to make straight men feel insecure. But it's the... If I was to go, "Da, da, da, da, da, da," would go, "Da, da, da, da, da, da," would you recognize that as the tango music to the Blue Oyster Bar-

Dan: Mm. ...

Reegs: in Police Academy? Um, which was the biker gang where, um, people would comedically find themselves-

Dan: Yeah ...

Reegs: uh, trapped. Oyster

Dan: The Blue Oyster Bar.

Reegs: The Blue Oyster Bar.

Dan: Yeah. The tool box.

Reegs: We used to t- Yeah ... sing it at school all all the time. Yeah. Um, so-

Dan: You went to an all-boys school though, didn't you?

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: Makes sense, doesn't

Dan: it? Ma- it does, it does. Um, okay. some great noms there.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: We're We're still on for another- Pink, Pink Floyd's

Reegs: still up for grabs as

Dan: well, I think. Oh, there's loads. Yeah. There's loads. There's, There's, um,

Dan: there's Freewheel on this way Movie chat? Are we doing the Movie

Reegs: Should we... probably

Dan: Yeah, get it Shall we do the movie? Should, probably do, yeah Should we... Do you wa- do you chat? Are do you we

Cris: doing the movie? Should, probably do. Yeah, get it done and then- Do you want, do you want to pause? There's the water break coming soon, so let's just-

Sidey: Let's just plow on with the movie ...

Cris: just go with the film, yeah, and then we're fine. The first quarter's about to finish, so

Sidey: Uh, Motorcycle Diaries. Yeah. This came out in 2002, I want to say. 2001.

Cris: 2004. You,

Sidey: wanna you might want to say it, and it might be right. Okay. And I saw it at the cinema when Did you? ... and I it was released- Did you? ... and I haven't seen it since. Um, and s- so how bad my memory is, is that I thought they had a motorcycle each when I was sitting down to rewatch this. Like, oh no, they've just got the one- Yeah Yeah ... that one bike. Yeah. Um, so that's kind of where I was with it. But I remember, uh, that I did enjoy it the first time.

Reegs: You didn't? I

Dan: I did.

Reegs: Oh. I also-- I saw it with a, a

Dan: chick that I really fancied.

Reegs: Hm. I really fancied. Oh. It's one of my wife's favorite movies, so I-- we watched this early on when we were were getting... So I saw Yeah, 'cause I saw this in about 2009. 2009.

Dan: 2010. Is it getting together. So I saw this in about 2009. Is it because she had the hots for Gael García Bernal?

Reegs: That certainly didn't hurt. Yeah, Yeah, she does have the hots for him a bit. I mean, as did I, uh-

Dan: This was- ... watching this because he's a

Reegs: hot guy ... well,

Dan: this was, this was him at his maybe hottest.

Reegs: Maybe. He

Sidey: does look really good in

Reegs: this. a little bit after Y Tu Mamá También, I think.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: He's, he's playing,

Sidey: um-

Dan: everywhere, This was shot everywhere, wasn't it? Argentina, Brazil, the States, Chile, Peru, um- Well, that's

Sidey: their, that's their road trip ...

Dan: United Kingdom, Germany, France. But it was shot in all those countries as well, which-

Sidey: Wow. And the film is gonna chart the sort of formative years of, uh,

Sidey: Ernesto Guevara de la Serna.

Reegs: Yes, Che Guevara. Che Him

Sidey: Him and his pal.

Reegs: Which Gael, unbelievably, he had actually played him before in a TV series. series.

Sidey: Really? So, uh, that's, that's- Wait, what? He got form for it. Knew him well

Dan: then. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: yeah. Um, and his pal, Alberto Granado, he's a biochemist.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And, um, Fusa, as as they call him in the film- Yeah ... is a medical student, nearly graduated, but kind of puts that on hold- Yeah to do this,

Reegs: uh,

Sidey: big trip.

Reegs: 23 years old, he is. Well,

Dan: they're heading to a

Reegs: years old, he is. Well, they're heading to a leper colony. colony it starts

Dan: starts with- ... is the

Reegs: starts with a, it? Yeah. Which is quite good. Mm. Uh, "This isn't a tale about heroic feats. It's about two lives running parallel for a while with common aspirations and similar dreams." And we'll revisit that quote at the end again as well because it because it will have a bit more greater meaning. But yeah, they're, they're these, like you say, they're these students who are going on this road trip. They wanna go to a leper colony in Peru, but I mean, there is that kind of altruistic thing, but there's d- I mean, he's definitely shoving condoms in his bag, right? Um- Yeah.

Sidey: Well, they're young,

Dan: they're idealistic.

Sidey: They're- He's got a girl that he already knows- Che does, Che does, yeah ... he wants to check in with. But Alberto, he just wants to get his-

Cris: Yeah, he just wants to- Che's after- He said he wants to, to just shag basically every w- uh, w- Mm. At at least a woman in every place

Sidey: Yeah. You can see they, they are ... They're pals, but they are very different. Yeah. And he likes his darts, and he's just constantly getting down. I think the first is he's just fucks, like, one of the servants- Yeah ... in that, in that gap. gap. yeah, the- when they're setting off, it's really funny actually when they, um ... 'Cause it's not a funny movie, but it does have some- Well, the first 45 Well, the first minutes to- Well, the first 45 minutes kind of

Reegs: is,

Sidey: I

Cris: think It has quite a few funny

Sidey: bits, yeah like I laughed out loud at the first bit when they, they're all worried about them 'cause they've got this bike's a piece of shit, and it's loaded- The naughty ponderosa ... with so much stuff, and they go about 20 yards, and then they crash into a bus. Into

Cris: a bus a bus. Nearly st-

Reegs: Into a bus. And, and it Yeah. It's ... And, and it looks really realistic as well- Yeah and it's definitely the definitely the two actors. Um, so, you know, we get a few scenes of establishing the fact that they are quite privileged, um, or s-certainly Che Guevara Guevara is, uh-

Sidey: Yeah, 'cause his, his father certainly looks well-to-do.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Um- And he's-- He just, he, he sort of looks disapproving, disapproving, and you can see his mom at the dinner table, she's really happy that he's sort of got his own ideas what he wants to do. Yeah. She sort of smiles at him at the table. I mean- I mean, his dad does confess, he goes, he goes, "If I was younger, you know, I'd wanna come with you."

Reegs: I think it's just jealousy. Yeah. You, you interpret it as disapproval, but then when he says to him- Yeah ... you know, "If I was Yeah, exactly. "If I was younger, I'd coming."

Reegs: I'd

Dan: be coming with you." Which is nice. And he's got- Yeah ... a, you know, he's got a, you know- uh, a approval, but yeah, they, they kind of want him to have a, you know, like get this out your wa- get this out the way.

Cris: Well, they also want him to finish medical school, right? Which, which is always a parent's thing, right? It's like-

Dan: Scratch

Reegs: the itch and

Dan: finish your uni.

Reegs: Yeah, come

Dan: your...

Reegs: that, yeah. Get that done.

Dan: Yeah. Get that

Reegs: done. So they go off on this bike, and like I say, a- again, it's not very long before they've fucking stacked it into a like river at the side of the

Cris: road. Into a, yeah, into a ditch, basically. Yeah.

Reegs: Into a ditch. So you come straight off the wall and there's water, and that's when you discover that, um-

Cris: There's a dog

Reegs: he's got a dog in his bag. Which is-

Cris: How did they even-- I don't even know how the dog was silent for that long and- Yeah ... oh, I mean, I guess the engine would be revving, but.

Sidey: Well, Alberto didn't know about it. No. He's like, "The

Reegs: fuck is that?" Yeah. And the, and the dog is called Come Back. Yeah. Which it loses a little bit in the translation, but you can see what the joke is, 'cause later he's telling Come Back to go away. Um,

Sidey: Uh-huh.

Reegs: So, uh, the first part of the trip is still in Argentina, and they just, they're going off to see, what's her name? Chinc- Chichina.

Reegs: So he's

Sidey: fucking-

Reegs: His

Cris: like that, yeah.

Sidey: Who smokes well.

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: She lives in, um, another like fantastically wealthy- Yeah ... place. They say, "Oh, it looks like Switzerland because of the European architecture."

Sidey: Mm.

Reegs: Um-

Cris: And the surroundings

Reegs: And the surroundings as well, Chintina Firera.

Cris: old- And like Big old- Yeah. And like m- the lawn is, is perfectly manicured ...

Sidey: big

Cris: old

Sidey: servants.

Cris: Yeah. Alberto Yeah. And

Sidey: Alberto fucks one, doesn't

Reegs: he? He He does, yeah, because there's a big dance where he dance. Um, and it- Chichina says, oh, basically, I mean, he's like... They're, they're horny. They're horny guys. He's 20 and the other guy- Yeah ... is 29. Yeah. Uh, 23, and the other guy's 29. Yeah. Yeah. He wants to get laid, and she's kind of basically says: "Look, I'm not gonna give you any unless you stay. Um, I want you to go

Sidey: don't want you to go on this little trip." First of all, it looks like they are gonna fuck, and then yeah, she does in the car.

Reegs: She cockblocks him. She blue balls him. him.

Sidey: Um, but she's like: "Well, you might not even come back soon."

Reegs: Yeah, exactly. So like, you know. And also you might just fuck me and just that's it. That's- Yeah Yeah. so. Um, although he does seem to be genuinely into her- Yeah ... uh, I would say. But anyway, it doesn't distract them, and they're soon off on their-

Cris: Well, that's the thing because the, the, the whatever the petrochemical guy is, a biochemist or... and He's like: "You said we're gonna be here for two days." Been a week. "We've been here a week." Yeah. "What are we doing?"

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: And they, they just-- Then he's just: "Look, I need to go. This is the journey that we want." And they just set sail again.

Reegs: They do. Uh, they fairly quickly establish that she's given him $15 to buy a bikini when he gets over. Which is big, big money for him. Big, big money.

Cris: If he gets to America.

Reegs: Yeah. And it's a rec- recurring recu- recurring source of friction. He says: "Oh, don't just think that this money doesn't exist." It's like not in our- budget." Not in the budget, yeah. It's not in our budget. Yeah ... budget. our budget. It's not in our budget. and but it becomes a source of friction all the time for Alberto, who just wants to spend it.

Sidey: And then we will start to get the diaries of him writing letters to his mother.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And his feelings about what's happening along this trip, and he's gonna start to, to, uh, change his, his views on what- Well, it's the haves

Dan: and the have-nots. Yeah. And he starts to see people that have- Well, Yeah Well, and he starts to see who have- that

Reegs: there's still some comedy first because they, they're pretty cata-catastrophic on the road, right? One night the tent blows away. Yeah. The bike is constantly breaking down. First of all, they're like leaning on the kind of... Well, first of all, they're trying to manipulate people. They find all those rich people and, um, Alberto is like, um... You see Guevara examine him and say: "Oh, I think he's got a got a tumor." Yeah. And the other guy's like: Nah, nah, it's not that," because just they just just want- It's just a cyst. It's just a cyst ... it's just a cyst. want- It's just a cyst ... "It's just a cyst, and we just need a roof over our head for a few days." And you can see a little bit of conflict because Guevara's a bit like: "Well, no, it's a tumor, and this man needs to be like- Well, it's man needs to be-" He's probably gonna die,

Cris: yeah. And he needs to be told the truth.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Rather than-

Reegs: He needs to be told the

Sidey: truth and exactly.

Reegs: And

Sidey: he's

Reegs: needs to be told the truth and exactly. Um, and educated.

Sidey: But this is the first instance of him- think it's the first instance of him- Not like he's ruthless or rude, but it, he doesn't necessarily like dress things up. He just says them very matter of fact. He's very blunt, yeah. Which is gonna be really blunt to the guy, the the author there or- Yeah,

Reegs: that's amazing that that Yeah,

Sidey: but he just says, "No, it's a tumor and you need to get to hospital," or something, which is true. Um-

Reegs: So, they... And it's all a bit, a little bit exploitative the next time they like... Because when they get over the border from Argentina to Chile, they end up in the paper, don't they? Y- they?

Cris: well, they, they make a point of being in the paper. Yeah, yeah.

Sidey: They embellish that a little bit. Yeah.

Reegs: They do. Yeah. And then they-- So then when they get to the first town in Chile, he can point to his picture in the paper and the guy's like, "Oh, he's famous. Come here. Let me fix your motorbike. We'll give you some food. Let's go for a dance. I'll get drunk so you can fuck my wife." The properly giving him the eye so

Sidey: him

Reegs: my you can fuck wife is properly giving him the eye. Yeah.

Sidey: She, but She, no, she's properly giving him the eye in that, in the second-

Cris: From the beginning, yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: Oh, let's go. I-- But it might be one of those where because she's sort of doing it in view of him, and maybe it's about him getting battered by her husband because that's nearly where it goes. Yeah. Um,

Reegs: chased out of there quite comically. He has to-

Cris: Well, they just

Dan: South

Cris: run straight,

Dan: that-

Reegs: they're-

Cris: the motorbike and just- Get the

Reegs: quite

Sidey: hot. and they go. Quite hot. Yeah. Um- And it's, it's-- I think it's, it's really after this because now they're, they're on foot. The bike, they... The bike just dies, and the next time they crash it- Yeah it's completely fucked. dies, they take it to the next, time- Yeah ... they crash it, it's completely fucked, and they, they take it to the next, um, place they, you know, where there's a place that he, you know, where there's know, a mechanic mechanic and he says, and he says, "Oh, you can sell that for scrap, but you ain't fucking-

Cris: Yeah ...

Sidey: you're not getting out of here."

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. "You're not getting out on the

Sidey: you're just no way." Um, so now they end up on end up on foot and then it's, foot and then this, this is where they start to just meet more people as

Cris: they- They get-- They end up on the mines, no?

Reegs: They do. I mean, before that there's a few things because they travel on boat and there's just a moment where, He's

Sidey: just looking at the people getting dragged behind

Reegs: totally. Yeah. And he looks across and- That's lepers That's leprosy he says for the first time, he's like, "Oh, I dream of opening a clinic there and letting anybody come in and treating them." Yeah. there's treatment for all, you know. So he's a bit of an idealist, I guess. And then other times Who? Che Guevara?

Dan: Che

Reegs: Guevara. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: And also he'll sort of not be able to treat an old woman. Uh, he gives her some like placebo type, asthma medicine in a way.

Cris: I think it's his asthma medication. Yeah. Just to say, "Look, take these because it'll be better." But-

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: And he, and he tells it- Well, he's heavily on it ... and the, and the s- the, the... It's like almost a narration from a letter that he sends to his mom. Yeah. Exactly, yeah. He's like, "I, I've, I've given false hope to this person that I know is not gonna make it to midnight," or something like that, so.

Reegs: But it is really like... The film is almost in like- A third and two thirds- thirds- because Yeah ... because the first third has got this coming of age buddy trip, like quite a lot of high jinks and lulls. And then-

Cris: Until it gets serious ...

Reegs: he's, has this meeting with this couple that they were at the miners. The mines. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: They're on foot now, aren't they? Yeah. And, and once they start traveling that- They really meet a lot of people ... kind of way, they, they meet people. 'Cause of way, who can afford a bike, right? You know. But

Reegs: they meet, the first couple he meets is he gives her his jacket in the end. Is that this is the way you were talking about the haves and the have-nots. Yeah. 'Cause he meets this couple, they were expelled. They were working at a mine, Um, they're communists, and they had been persecuted for their political beliefs. Mm. So they'd been working at the mine because it's dangerous work and nobody questions who you are you are for dangerous work or politics, you know. Yeah. Mm. Um, but they've been persecuted. They've been turfed off their land by speculators. Um, and he's outraged. And they say to him, you know, they've obviously enduring these tremendous hardships while they're traveling, and they say, "Oh, what are you doing?" He's like, "Oh, well, we're just like like fucking around."

Cris: Traveling. And you can see the, the couple, they don't understand. But- They don't understand ... but why are you traveling? Yeah. And, and he, he's like, "No, we, we're just kinda and

Dan: starts wandering around. Wandering

Cris: And they can look, almost look at each other as if to say-

Dan: Yeah ... "

Cris: These must be crazy. What are they doing?" It's, it's, it's a luxury- Just

Dan: traveling It's a luxury we've had in, you know, in our lives that, you know, when you go to India or you go to even Thailand or, or some of these places where their local people are just like, they're just miles away from- from-

Sidey: Yeah

Dan: going to visit any other countries, you know. Yeah. That we can just go, "Oh, we're, we're just traveling. Yeah, got a year off and-"

Cris: Yeah. That's not even in their, in their, in their view. Yeah.

Sidey: He's kind of saying that, you know, basically this is the land, and these prospectors have come, taken it just to mine it. Yeah. And, and then he, he says about he's being really haunted by this guy, and he does have this fucking haunted like just broken expression, this guy and his wife. Mm. Mm-hmm. Um, and then there's, there's just a, a, a bank where all these people, these fellas are these fellas are waiting to just maybe get picked to do a day's work. day's work. a and- Yeah he you know, he's just watching as the guy, the boss goes, "I'll take you, "I'll take you, and I'll take you."

Reegs: And then he

Sidey: just goes, "I'll take you, and I'll take you, and I'll take you." And then he says, "Right, van's full. The rest of you fuck off. Maybe come back tomorrow. You might be lucky or not." Yeah. It's

Reegs: maybe like 50, 60 guys who didn't get work. Yeah.

Sidey: and

Reegs: They're

Sidey: They're probably working for like, I don't know-

Reegs: Yeah, exploiting them pennies an hour.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Great Depression kind of stuff.

Sidey: And he's told, "You better get off our land. You're trespassing." And he logs lobs where gonna be a comeback

Sidey: to this 'cause he logs a massive rock straight into the, uh- Yeah

Cris: Into the truck. Yeah. The

Sidey: truck.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Um, and this is the first time you could say this has really like affected him. him.

Reegs: Definitely. Yeah. Seeing those workers exploited like that- Yeah ... has

Sidey: definitely- And then

Reegs: the film- ... lit a fire in him

Sidey: Then he Then he meet, he meets another guy, um- who-

Cris: That kind of explains it properly. Yeah.

Sidey: Explains it more about how, you know, we were just farmers, and then they just came and just fucking booted us off our own land and-

Cris: Because there's gold around

Sidey: and why didn't like, "What are you-" like, unionize effectively?" And he That's what we We do. We, we, we we... kind of all the farmers have got together and we try and cooperate and, but you know know, it's the tale of people just coming in- Mm-hmm. just getting super rich, and these guys here have got fuck all.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: a then these people just getting super rich and these guys here have got fuck all. Yeah. and then the film will, will sort of then just do s-shots of these guys' face as it, as it m- you know, just moving- Well,

Reegs: a bit, a bit like the black and white photos- Yeah ... that ...that are in his book.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah, of his actual travels. Yeah, Yeah,

Sidey: it doesn't wait necessarily to the end to do it. No. It, it does it sort of, keeps sort of flipping these guys up. In the moment, yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. A- and,

Sidey: Uh,

Reegs: and it's just people that he's met, moments of kindness, you know, food that he's trying. Um, just all the people that he's met on his journey, and then their stories as well, which are often stories of persecution or being, um, thrown out of their lands or- Yeah not having strength in their communities. And, then a kind of recurring thing about w- He's sort of starting to see the view of of Latin America being America as like a single-

Sidey: Yeah ...

Reegs: continent and

Sidey: one people. Um-

Sidey: Very idealistic. Yeah. Um, they do eventually get-- They've, they've pre-arranged, um, a couple of bits, and the first one is to meet up with this guy who's a, like a professor of leprosy something, he? it? isn't he?

Cris: Yep.

Sidey: And they go to his gaff. They- first of all, they're nicking the milk off his doorstep and he-

Cris: And he comes out he's, you think they're gonna get a bollocking,

Sidey: and he's like- They and he's like- They think get they're gonna get bollocking, but it's, no, they've actually arranged to be there. Um, and he gives them clothes, and he washes them up, feeds them, and then he's-- they stay there for a little while. And you can see they really bond. And At dinner, at the dinner table one day, he-- towards the end of their stay, he says- Yeah ... "This is my, this is my first love. Well, you know, after my wife, of course." And he brings out this, this pamphlet thing, and it's, it's the novel he's been working on. been working on. Yeah. He says, "I'd really love you to read it. I'd really love to know what you think." He obviously really respects them and wants to know what their opinion of it is. He, he thinks it's great. And, um, they start to look at it, and then it's kind of like shelved, and then-

Reegs: Yeah ...

Sidey: eventually they, they go to the harbor and they're gonna go off to go and find this, uh, leper colony. And he says, "Oh, I just want to know, did you read my book?" And you can tell

Reegs: that- Alberto's

Sidey: like, "Oh." bullshitting just bullshitting going, "I don't know." You can tell he's just bullshitting going, "I don't know." He read it. And he goes, he goes, um, "Yeah, it was, it was shit." Well, he g- he, he just goes, "Well, I, I didn't think it was very good. It was very clichéd." Um-

Reegs: Yeah, he says, "Too many cliches. It's badly written."

Sidey: "It wasn't very well written, and it made it hard to read." And made it hard to read. So the guy, he's absolutely crestfallen.

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: And he goes, "You're the only person who's ever been honest to me," um, about it.

Reegs: Well, deep down, that guy probably knew it himself,

Sidey: but- He probably... And he says, he s- and he says that thing, you know, "You should should probably stick with what you're good at," you know. "Stick to being a doctor."

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: But you can see he's genuinely fucking

Dan: hurt. If you're good at being a doctor, that's a pretty good thing to be, be

Sidey: good at, isn't it? But

Reegs: he, but he is, he is the guy, he gives him a load of literature, and it's really important because it, it starts to calcify some of those, um, feelings that he's had about the indigenous people- Mm-hmm and how they've been treated, all that literature that he's starting to read. Um- They

Sidey: go to Machu Picchu, which looks pretty nice.

Reegs: Yeah, it looks incredible. And then they, you know, they tour the ruins and the streets and talk to the communities afterwards to find out that, you know, know, they were decima- There's that great cut when he t- he shows from Machu Picchu, and he says, "How is it progress to go from this-" The Incas this to-" The Incas and the Incapables. to Lima-" um-

Sidey: Well, they had- "...

Reegs: Peru over the top of there." What

Sidey: does he say? The, the Incas, they, you know, they had deep understanding of astrology-

Reegs: Yeah ...

Sidey: um, of science, of medicine, and then Their civilization

Reegs: medicine,

Sidey: was so, you know- ... the Spanish got had it. time So-

Cris: So yeah, good luck with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. Um, So anyway, they end up on-- They need to get down the river to the leper colony, don't they? Yeah. I loved this bit bit because they're on a- The

Sidey: five-day boat-

Reegs: Yeah ...

Sidey: that they have to get with prostitutes.

Reegs: Uh, he has a really bad-- He's got asthma. Oh, yeah. And he snuffs it, don't he? And has to... And he has a really bad asthma attack on the boat and has to go down. Meanwhile, Alberto is chasing tail. He really wants the really wants the um, To

Cris: shag this girl. She's really hot though. I'm not gonna- Yeah. Yeah. She's the fittest woman there in, on a boat, and she's

Reegs: a- She sort of gets him all wound up, and then he's like, "I've got no money." And she's like, "So?" So- So then he goes, goes, he goes,

Sidey: He

Reegs: he goes down to gamble. Um, and he's got one peso- One peso- peso ... or sol or whatever it is

Sidey: that- Sol. Yeah, the sol. Like a pence. One pence. And

Reegs: he ends up winning enough to, he's like-

Sidey: And he's a mad, isn't he? He

Reegs: them.

Sidey: his load of cash. Drags her back to his place to, uh, to finish her off or- Him... Anyway, Uh, but it t- but it turns out that, um, Fuza had given the $15 to that couple at the mine.

Cris: Yeah. Yeah. Because he's like, "I don't have it. I gave it to the people at the mine." And-

Reegs: You fucking

Cris: what? What?

Reegs: Really?

Cris: I, I need to get laid, but- Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: know.

Reegs: Uh, so anyway, they do turn up at the, uh, leper colony, which is essentially being overseen by nuns. There's doctors that are there doing the work, but the nuns, uh, hold all the keys everything, and they're to pretty on

Reegs: early

Sidey: on

Reegs: it's not contagious, but the nuns don't want you to- uh-

Sidey: Well, even this has- Have- it's got massive, like, you know- It's

Dan: dry leprosy ...

Sidey: it's haves and have-nots. The, the separation of- Exactly ... the people. Yeah. Li- literally separated by a river. Yeah. And, um- Yeah, they're geographically separated

Sidey: and- He's like, "Well, if they're not contagious, I'm not wearing a mask."

Reegs: Yeah. How about

Cris: that? Yeah.

Reegs: And so And so-

Cris: Yeah, when they're under treatment, they're not contagious. Yeah. So, yeah.

Reegs: He treats these people like human beings, which is a bit-- I mean, obviously the people that are there are doing a great job, but this is another step above, and they

Sidey: obviously- There's the two, there's the two fellas just by the dock there, was they- Yeah as they come onto the, the south side or wherever it is. is. Um, and he hand- they hold their hands out to shake hands with him, and you can see the patients are like, "No one's ever done that before." done that before." And as they walk off, he's like, "He's a he's like, "He's a real gentleman," you know, 'cause it's really-- it matters a lot. Yeah. It's a simple gesture, but- Yeah. It matters, yeah. And because of it, they don't get fed, do they? They're not given- Well, they

Cris: don't go to church They don't much attention. They don't go to mass or whatever. They don't go

Reegs: to mass, and it's a recurring thing. Actually, his disdain for organized religion is there, like, straight from the off because he calls it Jesus PLC, doesn't he? Yeah. The early part, he says, "How's Jesus PLC doing?" And this obviously exacerbates it more when he sees the sort of hypocrisy, the moral hypocrisy- Yeah ... of the church not feeding these guys just because they didn't attend-

Sidey: Yeah ...

Reegs: mass. Um, and then again, the community kept rallying round, bringing them their food so that they can eat. Yeah. Um, so anyway.

Sidey: so anyway. There's a, there's a, a younger girl there.

Reegs: She's had a badly

Sidey: disfigured won't- disfigured arm, hasn't have the surgery.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: It's not to amputate her arm. It's amputate her arm, it's to take the nerve, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't really know what leprosy does.

Dan: No, I wasn't-- it looked a bit like, It's- It th-

Dan: Because it kind of scales pity just, it, it... Yeah, it, it-- leprosy is just like it eats away at your skin, and eventually it's like bits of you start falling off.

Sidey: I get that- You know? Yeah, 'cause we see loads of people with their fingers have gone and stuff, but they-- I thought the operation would be to, to just amputate her arm, but it's not. Yeah. It's to take the nerve, and and that stops- I think it's

Reegs: just because it gives her pain. Pain. Right? Because of the swelling-

Sidey: Right ...

Reegs: and all

Dan: of

Sidey: the nerve- 'Cause she's then, she's sort of carrying her arm almost in a sling, I guess, when we see her later. But she's-- it- it's here, it's Fuza that's gone in and just sat with her and, and just spoken to her. Not necessarily saying i- initially, "You've got to have the op."

Cris: Yeah, it was more just chatting.

Sidey: chatting, yeah. Yeah Just checking on her. Yeah, yeah. And just being you know, just a person talking to her. And so we, we see her then, you know, know, you have the operation. looks fairly It looks fairly crude, to be honest. Yeah. it's,

Sidey: looks very good to us. it's, it's like a field hospital, you know. It's not, this isn't like, you Yeah. Um, it's, it's like

Cris: a field hospital, you know. It's not This isn't like, you know, Harley Street or whatever. It, it's still, it's still better than, uh, the First World War- Yeah ... but it's still not ... Yeah, it's still not great. Not the beauty standards. Yeah.

Sidey: yeah. Um, and so he's there. I think they're there for three weeks, and they, they have a big impact on, on everything. Yeah. Yeah. We see them playing football with everyone, getting involved. Well, they create a social structure- Yeah ... between the people the people that wasn't there before.

Cris: Um. Yeah, especially with the separation of the- Yeah ... the river, the, the river banks, right.

Sidey: out the windows He's just looking out the windows and he sees them over there. He can see the lights when he's there, and he just doesn't like it. He doesn't like that they're segregated they're segregated away. And

Cris: then it kind of culminates with the party with his birthday.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: You know?

Sidey: He suggests to do the wrong dance, which they all ... Everybody-

Cris: Yeah. ... every

Sidey: man piss themselves laughing at him.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: 'Cause he-

Cris: The mambo tango. Mambo tango. He

Sidey: ...he remembers the tango. He go- yeah and they're like, "Right, we're gonna fucking lol we're gonna fucking lol at you." Um, he He does a big speech, some of it. When, when he's doing his speech, you can see, um, Alberto's looking at him like, "What the fuck?"

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: I think they're- he's a

Sidey: But, well, I wouldn't say he's like completely out 'cause

Reegs: he followed him eventually, but he's like, "Well, that was a bit full on." Well, he talks about-- This is where he talks about we're a unified people.

Cris: Yeah, it's a bit more political there. Yeah.

Reegs: It's definitely more political. Yeah.

Dan: and-

Reegs: it's his first time-

Dan: He's

Reegs: talking about a united America ... it's,

Dan: it's his first political

Dan: political speech really, isn't it?

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: it? He's, he's talking about uniting the people and, and and, uh, say this obviously a, a, a trip which helps

Dan: develop his, his later- His moral core working and moral core and his, his, his, um, his thoughts that change the world really. You know what I mean? It's, it's, um, certainly in, in large parts of it and, um-

Reegs: Bill act on that desire for that united America that he's just talked about by literally going to unite it it, by physically swimming across the lake. lake. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. Well, ac-across the river, which I thought it was fucking mental.

Reegs: It's-- Considering he's got very bad asthma, which

Cris: we've seen- And currents, and it's a river. The rivers are not... And y-you see it a couple of times where he's like, "Is this deep?" "Yeah, it's deep."

Reegs: I don't know if this bit is true, true... Like, I don't know exactly-

Cris: Yeah. I, I, I didn't- ...

Reegs: symbolic to me than-

Cris: I, I thought it was more symbolic. Yeah. But you never know. I mean, he was-

Reegs: Eventually Like he's everyone's- Like he's choosing that hardship, that struggle to get to those people that need his help, basically. Yeah. need his help, basically. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Um, yeah. Um,

Sidey: the both, both banks of the river are cheering him on mostly 'cause they don't want him to drown-

Reegs: Yeah

Sidey: I think. Um, and he does eventually get to the other side Well,

Dan: he's

Sidey: and-

Dan: asthma is,

Sidey: he's got of at the time

Sidey: his asthma. He's, he's coughing- 'Cause he wants to celebrate. 'Cause it's his

Reegs: birthday and he wants to celebrate his birthday with those people too. Yeah. yeah.

Sidey: Which

Reegs: he does.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: And then the, the final is just so bookended again, we get the quote, we get them at the, um, airport.

Cris: Yeah. W-which he's on a cargo plane. He's not actually- Caracas ... yeah.

Reegs: Um, which is Yeah Venezuela, is it? is it?

Cris: Yes.

Reegs: And, um, there's been something about-- We've had some chat about the birthday and when it's been and all this stuff, and Alberto's birthday going, and he tells, "Well, by the way, it was bullshit. I was just using it as it as a thing to kind of spur us on and keep us motivated." He's like, "Yeah, I, I know about that. It was in April," whatever. know He's got, It was It was in April," or whatever. and then he's got, um- He talks about ba-- He says he's not the same me anymore. That's what

Sidey: That's what

Reegs: "Because I'm not. I've,

Sidey: you know-

Reegs: you know,"

Sidey: he says. Yeah. I'm not... I've, you know- And Alberto's got, I think, a scholarship to somewhere, hasn't he? Alberto's a

Cris: Alberto's

Sidey: got a, you know, a pretty sweet deal to go somewhere. Yeah.

Cris: Well, I think to stay in Caracas.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. And he's like, "Come stay with me. You know, you can, you can finish the university here," or whatever. He's like, "No, no, I have another journey. I need to do this." And he just gets on the plane and-

Reegs: And then we zoom out from that to the real Alberto.

Sidey: first of all we get the text, do we? Yeah. It bookended. Um, about what had happened and, um, how the CIA's helped him- 1967 he 1967 when he was- ... murdered in the 1967, he

Sidey: was- in in the the '60s ...

Reegs: executed. '60s ... executed ... um,

Sidey: but that Alberto had followed him to Cuba.

Cris: Is

Reegs: Is that Is that Bay of Pigs and

Cris: all that? No.

Reegs: Is that what they're saying? No. right. So.

Sidey: not. Um, but Alberto, they'd, they'd set up but Alberto, they, they set up a, a hospital or some sort of medical outpost anyway, and then Alberto had followed him out there and stayed there. Yeah. And then we get the shot of him as what present day in 2000. I suspect he probably must be dead now. Yeah. But it was, you know, an old man and you just see him sort of wistfully looking off into the distance. Yeah. Um, yeah.

Reegs: And then we see some real photos that photos that were taken as well, including the one of them stood in front of the Mambo Tango, which was their raft that they made for them. them.

Cris: Yeah. Which looks like it wouldn't make it across

Reegs: Yeah

Cris: pond, let alone the Amazon, but there you go.

Reegs: So yeah, it really interesting like watching the conditions that might create essentially radicalization really, um, or a huge, you know- Mm. political influence on that part of the world. And then obviously his actions after that. There's lots and lots of lots of different feelings about and dissent about what actually happened well, isn't it? It's

Reegs: isn't it? It's far too complex I think to sum up. But it was a really interesting film. Beautiful scenery as well.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: exactly. I was- Like unbelievable-

Sidey: Thinking I love to cycle

Reegs: it. scenery and they do some mileage as well.

Cris: Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. It does give us, it gives

Reegs: you the, it gives you the kilometers ... it

Sidey: location and it gives you the tally of how far they've gone.

Cris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They, whatever the how many kilometers and the location, yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Terrible roads

Cris: and, and everything back in the, '50s, yeah '50s.

Dan: '50s. Um,

Reegs: and like and like any trip- But it's interesting to see him as like a, as a sort of young, idealistic man- but you don't Yeah but you don't quite see him as the revolutionary that he will become.

Dan: No. But any, any trip in the, you know, that kind of

Reegs: age,

Dan: kind of that kind of trip- Mm ... it's gonna change you. You know, he comes in the Mm you.

Dan: know, it comes at end- Totally ... he's "I'm not the same me anymore." Yeah. You expect not to be, you know. Uh, uh, particularly when he's taken so much to heart and he's had those kind of conversations and really gone in through privilege and

Cris: seeing so many then seen so many people struggling along the way. Well, I think that's-- the Sorry to interrupt you. I think that's the main point for me is that he's actually an educated man. Mm. Mm. I- if would be just someone that doesn't have any knowledge, like the people that he-- some of the people that he meets, he doesn't know the possibilities of, of what a, a corp can do. Mm. A, a group of people, uh, let's rally together, let's work together, let's do this, let's do that. So, so when he sees these people just have been pushed... A- and these are all indigenous people, right? Regardless if they're from Peru or Venezuela or Chile, they're still from there, right? That, that in-- to his point of view, he's Argentinian as much as... A- and he's South American, the same like everyone else. So why- why- power structures to fight back against the stuff that's They don't to them. the power structures to fight back against the stuff that's happening. Exactly. Yeah. But, but also- They can't do that themselves ... the, the, the way I see it is because he has knowledge of the way it could be. Mm. Whereas if you don't have any knowledge of that, you would know better. Mm. You just accept your fate kinda thing. So th- think that influences a lot, because I've seen that obviously. I'm not trying to cry that I'm Romanian and we've seen communism, but there is a point of that because if you don't know what the other possibility is, you don't really have an idea of- Mm ... of all this, right? So I, I think that made a big difference Side? Did you enjoy this? Yeah, I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. It was

Dan: fucking great. Really, really good. And since the, since you saw it at the cinema back in the day then, um, and your more recent viewings, viewings, is it-

Sidey: No, it's, it's just great. Still

Dan: is-

Sidey: Yeah. still as as amazing as you could possibly- 'Cause it doesn't... Of course, it makes all these points, but it doesn't ram his-

Dan: Ideology

Sidey: down your throat. Yeah. There's none

Reegs: of that. There's-

Sidey: At all It just kind of and it's hard to argue against it. Just tell, just shows you how he feels about stuff. Um, and of course, you know, I don't know really enough about what happened later- Yeah ... really. Just know the fucking posters posters and the T-shirts that people wear, they probably haven't got a people wear. They probably clue either. clue either. I

Dan: Well, it, I mean, all those posters- But it just shows you- ... is just exactly what he would've hated. Yeah. Yeah. Course he would. have hated. Yeah. Yeah. Of course he would. Yeah.

Sidey: He

Reegs: would've... Th- that was literally what he that was literally what he was fighting against.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: There's a massive irony there.

Sidey: Mm.

Reegs: Um, but yeah, like you say, just watching... Because it's a lot of show, don't tell-

Sidey: Mm

Reegs: storytelling, so you- Well, it's

Sidey: a life

Cris: story, no? At the

Sidey: end of the day. It does have some real n- nice and lighthearted touch to It does have film.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Um, and his,

Reegs: his mate is a great foil for him as well. And it has a real sort of authenticity and sort of almost documentary-type feel with particularly the bits where they're interviewing the indigenous people.

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: Um, and yeah, so just a strong recommend all round. Really strong.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: strong. Yeah. Yeah. Strong.

Reegs: You said Pete has got nominations for us Pete, we might have, we might have dusted off the old mics 'cause we've only got

Sidey: Pete has got nominations for us ... Pete, we might have to dust off the old mics 'cause we've only got the the four or, or I might drop out, uh, and just sit. Uh, but anyway, we'll figure that out. Well, let's- Films are- But Whoa,

Reegs: okay.

Sidey: Don't know what the top five is actually, but the films are, This is England.

Reegs: Right.

Sidey: Shane Meadows one. Mm-hmm. And Grimsby, which is- Oh.

Reegs: I've seen it ...

Sidey: which could be a zero- Sacha

Reegs: Baron Cohen ...

Sidey: could be a zero out of 10 for me, but-

Reegs: It's got a really good sequence towards the end, about two minutes worth watching.

Sidey: Mark Strong, Okay. Right. Well, Right, right, so

Dan: we all drop out.

Sidey: Uh him. Mark Strong. So we all drop out. Um- and Pete coming back ... something to do with some stuff. Um, that, so just, like pre-warn you, uh, we're doing that on the Tuesday. We normally record on a Monday. That's on the Tuesday, and then there's the England game, so I won't be editing the Midweeker for the Wednesday.

Reegs: Oh, when will the episode come out? Thursday?

Sidey: Probably Thursday. It might, if I work from home Wednesday, I might do it. It'll just be out late on Wednesday. It'll be way out of usual time. Just to pre-warn everyone. I know you get very upset if it's not out- Yeah. Okay ... you

Dan: know, crack of

Sidey: dawn, but.

Dan: They'll be thinking, "Which Wednesdays? Is it Thurs?" They won't know what day it

Sidey: Pe- many actually be- ... very concerned if you mess around with these scripts. Evelyn will write if there's no episode. She'll get

Dan: very worried. People will often set their calendars by us.

Sidey: Yeah. 'cause we're

Cris: Yes. Yeah. That's how, yeah. That makes,

Sidey: yeah. Yeah. Um, but all that remains is to say something, something out. Reese has left the building.

Cris: La revedere.

Dan: Dan's gone