The Life Ahead

The Life Ahead

Sidey: Hi, guys. Hi. Hi. Everyone's a bit jaded today 'cause we're recording this on Monday. Yeah. Still the same day of England's glorious defeat of the Mexicans. At the Azteca Stadium. Yeah. Yeah, it's the same day in the United Kingdom. Where the- Shall we say

Dan: jaded today because we're recording this on Monday. Yeah. Still the same day of England's glorious defeat of the Mexicans.

Reegs: At the Azteca Stadium.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: Yeah, it's the same day in the United Kingdom-

Reegs: Where the-

Sidey: 4

Dan: say. At 4 million meters altitude. Yeah,

Reegs: where the hand of Gordon was f- first revealed.

Cris: Altitude- Yeah ... came up with the g- goods.

Dan: Yeah. So we,

Sidey: we we watched that, and now we're gonna talk about some movies.

Dan: And

Reegs: stuff. What have you been watching? Anything?

Sidey: I watched the, Well, I've been watching the World Cup. I watched The Armstrong Lie on Netflix. Okay. That, 'cause the

Dan: de France is-

Reegs: Ah, yes

Sidey: Tour

Cris: Saturday starting?

Sidey: It started... It's, it's day three

Cris: Oh, yeah, it started on Saturday. Was it Barcelona it started? Yeah. Yeah,

Sidey: yeah. So watched that. And I mentioned to you about Marco Pierre White last week. Yeah, yeah. And Breechy has dived in and been watching them all on YouTube,

Reegs: Oh,

Sidey: Oh, right ... fucking thrilled, yeah. Yeah, okay. She's really enjoying it. The life advice that you get whilst also being maybe told off.

Reegs: Told off, yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Nice. But b- but also being given, like, good cookery tips. Right ... it's good, yeah. So I wa- I watched more of that, actually, yeah.

Dan: What about you?

Reegs: I've been watching Cape Fear- Oh, okay ... which

Sidey: Oh, okay. Javier- ... on

Dan: Apple TV.

Reegs: Matt Damon ... yeah, he's brilliant in it,

Sidey: Yeah ... honestly. I watched the trailer. I thought, "Oh, it looks really good," actually. It's

Reegs: really, really, silly. It's unbelievable. It's Martin Scorsese and Steven Spielberg are the producers of it. Right.

Cris: Oh,

Sidey: wow, okay.

Reegs: So two pretty lightweights. Yeah. It's so, like, hammy. But it's got- Is it? ... loads of actors in that I really like, like Patrick Wilson and Javier Bardem.

Sidey: Is Amy Archer's the... Amy Adams?

Reegs: is the... Amy Adams? Amy Adams. Yeah. Yeah, as well. And they're all, like, fucking lunatics, basically. So

Sidey: Oh, cool. I go- I'm gonna watch that, because I've nearly finished The Pit, so I'm looking for another series after that. Oh, okay. So that might be it. Yeah. Is

Cris: just one season?

Reegs: So far, yeah.

Cris: is it called again?

Dan: Cape

Reegs: It's a rema- it's a remake of a remake of a remake.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: Right, okay.

Reegs: Mm.

Sidey: There were two movies, a Simpsons episode, and now th- now the- I

Dan: the De Niro Cape movie- Yeah ... with-

Sidey: Max Cady

Dan: Yeah, naughty And Patricia Arquette, is it? Or- Was

Sidey: it Juliette Lewis was the girl? Juliette Lewis. Yeah. Yeah. Juliette

Dan: Lewis, yeah. It was one of the films I remember staying up late to watch when I was a kid with, I think we'd rented it- Oh, okay ... you know, with Mom and Dad. And De Niro's got all

Sidey: got all those mad tattoos and everything. Yeah. And i- i- you know-

Reegs: yeah, so. It's quite a role, and Javier Bardem's a good actor,

Sidey: good actor, so.

Dan: Yeah. Okay. Oh, nice.

Sidey: You watch anything, Chris?

Cris: I randomly watched a film called sh- called Shot Caller. It's a, it's like a prison thing. I can't remember where, where. It was on one of these channels that I have. And I was waiting for the football to start, and I didn't really

Sidey: know what

Cris: put on, and it was... It, it just kinda popped... You know how you go through, like, Prime or whatever, and it's, "Because you've watched this, we recommend this." Oh, yeah, yeah. And it's, Been there. Yeah ... is that Coster-Waldau, Nikolaj Coster- Yeah,

Reegs: Yeah. From Game of Thrones.

Cris: him and-

Sidey: Jaime Lannister ...

Cris: there's some there's the Bernthal, Jon

Reegs: All

Sidey: Oh, yeah.

Cris: it Oh, yeah They're kind of in prison. He crashes, he's like a stockbroker or something. He crashes into someone kills his best mate who's in the car with him, goes to prison, and i- in prison, he basically becomes this lunatic, and he gets a white pride tattoo. That's... Okay. Like, also he gets, like, proper white

Sidey: power,

Cris: all that stuff. And it, it's kinda like, he goes into the yard first, and he straight starts a fight with a Black guy. And then the Aryan Brotherhood is like, "All right, Wood, come here. We'll give you the ropes. You need to put this up your ass. You give it to that

Sidey: guy." It's like- I could be into that ... drugs

Cris: and stuff. I-

Dan: It's, it's-

Sidey: There's

Reegs: a lot of ass stuff going on in prison, isn't there? Especially in, well, only in

Cris: yeah, that's the third pocket now.

Reegs: it? Yeah.

Dan: I was like... So yeah. so- There you go. Dan? Yeah.

Sidey: for you?

Dan: I, I did actually put on The Boys again just while I was waiting for- Oh, starting again? ... the World Cup. Yeah just the first episode 'cause Swayze was around, a friend was around, and he hadn't seen it before and I said, "Oh, you know, if you're looking for something to watch, then see if you, you like this." And we watched the best part of the first episode. Yeah. And you got that scene where Hughie's just holding- Holding onto-

Sidey: Robin's arms, like, and-

Dan: arms like and, and the the, the train what's his name? The A-Train ... the A-Train is, is kind of laughing about it afterwards saying that he ate a molar, he went through it that fast- Yeah and everything. Really kind of disgusting and but at the same time it's got that dark kind of comedy value.

Reegs: I quite like Jack Quaid as well. Yeah.

Sidey: He's

Dan: And you see, you know, Billy as well, sort of, Keith Urban for the- Mm ... first time in, in this as well, and knowing what you know afterwards

Sidey: from

Dan: s- having seen the series before. So I k- kind of enjoyed that. Again, I don't think I'm gonna commit to watching them all over again. I've only just finished the, the last series a few months ago. But yeah, it's been World Cup content for me basically. Sam?

Sidey: shall we talk about dynamite?

Reegs: Yes.

Dan: Pa-ching. Cow. Wow. Pa-chang. Mm. Is that dynamite,

Sidey: Top five dynamites?

Dan: We're going-

Reegs: going here?

Cris: I, I said dynamites and explosions. I didn't really- Yeah ... I wasn't really sure.

Sidey: I have a feeling we probably did explosions before, but I can't- Yeah ... really remember. So

Cris: So it will have to be dynamite then.

Sidey: Yeah. What's your- Well,

Dan: what did we say? We were gonna do a slightly different approach this time. Are we just gonna do a quick-fire, weren't we? One

Sidey: We're just gonna, we're just gonna not even... That's gonna get edited out. We're just gonna put our noms in with no explanation. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Okay. What you putting in, Dan?

Dan: Well it's going to be Wages of Fear, La Salaire de la Peur which is the the 1953 black and white masterpiece. And it's it's l- the, the grandfather of tension if you like. And we've reviewed it for the pod before. You and I watched it one famous

Sidey: got your DVD at my gaff. I not watched it yet. Really?

Dan: good. Have you still not even... Oh, it is a, a classic, so-

Reegs: Sorcerer as well, the freaking remake

Dan: Right. Yeah, I've n- I've not got round to, to seeing that, but it's a bunch of, you know, broke, desperate European vagrants trapped in a horrible isolated- They're transporting

Reegs: nitroglycerin, aren't they?

Dan: American town and, and an American oil company, oil refinery or well catches fire miles away, and the only way to put it out is to cause a targeted explosion using this

Reegs: nitroglycerin.

Cris: this

Dan: nitroglycerin. And to get there they've got these trucks with- loaded with it going across a bumpy road. And it's wildly unstable. If it, if it hits a bump too hard or a tire slips, they vibrate too much, boom, they vaporize. And so they're sending out four trucks in the hope one of it, one of them will make it there. And yeah, it's there's, there's a few explosions in this. One, at one point there's a big boulder in the way of the road, and they take a little bit of this nitro to, to clear the path. So it ju- gives you an, an example how explosive it is. And they get to know each other on the breaks and everything, and they'll, they'll stop and and chat every now and again. And they like each other, but when, when one of them blows up, he goes, "I never liked that guy." Like, you know, they, they'll just... They haven't got time to feel sorry and down. Mm-hmm. They'll go, "That guy was an asshole. I dunno why he was..." You know. But really there's tears welling up in their eyes as they're saying it. It was yeah, a classic

Sidey: Rick?

Reegs: Napoleon Dynamite in honor of Chris's favorite ever movie that we watched for the pod. And

Dan: and yeah You, the, the, you're shaking your head like that's

Sidey: I've never

Dan: true. I've never seen anything worse in

Cris: Nothing. I c- honestly, I'd rather watch The Notebook. Cats.

Dan: What? The Notebook?

Sidey: Yeah. Than that. The rom-com one.

Dan: Wow. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. Is there anything, anything worse than that?

Dan: than that?

Cris: Well, Napoleon Dynamite is worse than that

Dan: for me. There we go.

Sidey: What you putting in then?

Cris: putting in then? I'm gonna put in Train Dreams. We've done it for

Sidey: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... with

Cris: Tar- well, not Taron Egerton. It's Joel Edgerton or whatever he's

Reegs: yeah. And

Cris: he... There's a guy called Arny Peoples, the l- the old man who's an explosive master- Yeah ... or w- and he, he kinda tells the story of how we're killing the trees- Yeah that we're cutting down 500-year-old... He's, like, really connected with what they're doing, and he's like, "Look, we- it has to have an effect. We, we're cutting down 500-year-old trees, and no one's held accountable, and, and w- it will, all our time will come." And he's got a scene where the, where he, he-

Reegs: He's wired everything up,

Cris: wired everything up, and everybody's like, "What's going on, old man?" He's like, "Oh, I, I don't know what's going on." And then boom, the explosion. And then we also have the scene where he gets hit by a branch, and-

Dan: Yeah. Oh, yeah,

Sidey: yeah. And he,

Cris: he dies, which-

Reegs: literally as he's passing, it's just a falling branch, isn't it? Yeah. Just

Cris: and he's not, that, the, the dying scene is not related to dynamite, but he is- Yeah ... a dynamite expert, and he is- Yeah he's quite funny, and he's quite colorful in, in the film, which the film is really quite

Dan: bleak and quite simple and-

Reegs: liked that. It was good.

Cris: But I, I, I kinda thought that would be a nice addition.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: And it's William H. Macy, who apparently has a massive dick.

Sidey: Kinda funny looking. So, you know. Hmm. Ned Flanders. Yeah. Miss Dynamite. Yeah.

Cris: go. Done. Yeah. Easy.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: That's fun though. Done. Yeah. Easy. Yeah

Dan: Wow. Explosive

Cris: she still exist, Miss

Sidey: Miss Diane Warren? I think she exists. I don't know if she

Cris: I'm- I've never heard of any other

Reegs: be like the Mandela effect, where she never existed at all.

Dan: Maybe.

Sidey: Well, Nelson Mandela existed. Did he?

Reegs: did he?

Sidey: Oh,

Cris: okay.

Sidey: Right, we're gonna talk about The Life Ahead. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: This

Sidey: was on Netflix. It's a Netflix joint- Yeah I think. Dist- or distributed by them. 2020 film directed by Eduardo Ponti.

Reegs: Yeah, who is the... Oh. Son?

Sidey: Mm. Sister?

Reegs: Son, I think, isn't it? Of Sophia Loren. Sophia Loren, yes.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: I think this might be the only movie I've ever seen with Sophia Loren

Reegs: Yeah, I think you might be right. Same for, same for

Dan: she hasn't done a lot in a long time, has

Sidey: time. But the ones you know her for, like the one with the fur bikini and stuff- Yeah ... I don't think I've ever seen them, so this is my Sophia Loren debut.

Cris: And it's,

Dan: it's the

Sidey: story of a Holocaust survivor prostitute-

Reegs: worker who- Sort of an alter ego of- ... looks

Sidey: Division, what- Yeah they're- they're named after.

Reegs: who looks after the children of other

Sidey: prostitutes, yeah.

Cris: And then there's a doctor who looks after the- And

Sidey: ... Looks after the people in the- We, we first see the kinda end,

Reegs: we? We actually see the end first, yeah.

Sidey: Where Momo is spotted in a stairwell- Yeah by a lady and her child. A lady. And she knows... She obviously knows who he is, 'cause she calls him by his name. Mm. Yeah. And he looks at her and kinda panics, and drops these two empty big plastic water containers. That's right, yeah. And bolts, and then clu- shuts the door- In the basement ... and you just see him sobbing kinda behind the door, and then, and then it kinda goes back.

Reegs: kinda goes back. It's weird, though, 'cause he's running down this channel down to this, like, basement. And you're like, "Mm, what the fuck? That's

Sidey: like a fictional dungeon almost ... strange. Yeah.

Reegs: And then it cuts to six months earlier, and he's in a local marketplace, Momo. And he spies an easy target. He sees Sophia Loren's character, Madame Rosa.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: blue dress, and she's in- Yeah kind of a, like a flea market, isn't she? And, Or just like a market, but there's, there's different kinda bits, and she's got some candlesticks in there.

Reegs: They're the sort of, they're the kind of candlesticks you'd have on a Friday night in a Jewish household- Right ... for, you know, the dinner. But I think she, the, she was gonna go and pawn them, wasn't

Sidey: Yeah. She, to pay her rent. Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: what she was saying, that that would've covered the rent for the next however months or whatever.

Reegs: But Momo sees this as an opportunity. She's kind of frail, and he runs in, grabs the bag and legs it off.

Dan: and

Reegs: and doesn't even go that far away before he's, like, looking in the bag to see what he's got, isn't he?

Sidey: Yeah, and he meets his, It's not a friend, is it? It's some other boy.

Dan: A connection.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Who, Yeah

Sidey: who's, like, a local sort of low-level drug dealer. Yeah. And they they're talking and a guy s- sort of from inside the shop sees them. Yeah. And the other guy's obviously... He sort of beats him up a bit and tells him to fuck off, and he tries to take the stuff off him, doesn't he? And he, he pushes- With his motorbike. ... Momo pushes his, his pride and joy, his motorbike, over and does a runner. Yeah. And then he gets back to this... He's staying with this doctor who's, who's

Dan: Dr. Cohen ... I don't

Sidey: Dr. Cohen ... I don't know if he's officially adopted him, but he's certainly taken him in, in his house.

Reegs: him. He's certainly taken him in, in his house. He'll explain later that his Momo's mother was a patient of his and she died basically in his care, and he was essentially left holding the-

Sidey: Yeah

Cris: But she was also a prozzie.

Reegs: She was a sex worker as well, yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. So he tries to stash it. Like, it- it's not exactly a, a very... 'Cause these are big old candlesticks. Yeah, they're huge. And he just puts them on top of a cupboard in the kitchen, and Dr. Cohen just looks at

Reegs: Cohen- And Dr. Cohen comes in ... "Where

Sidey: you get them from?"

Reegs: He goes, "Where'd you get them?" He goes, "Oh, I won them." And he goes, "Oh, did you win that mark on your face as well?" 'Cause he's been punched by the

Dan: lucky day. Yeah.

Reegs: His lucky day. And then he's like, "You know, if you don't tell me where, you know, where you came

Cris: you..." w- you're gonna get social services coming

Sidey: come for you ... and he says that, "We, I don't accept stolen property in, in my apartment." Yeah. So he's, he's obviously got form for, like, mischief and- Yeah ... doing this, that, and the other.

Reegs: Well, next scene he'll end up being dragged off, Momo, to Madame Rose's- Yeah

Dan: Yeah, forced to apologize, and he- Dr. Kern at first

Sidey: yeah ... when Dr. Cohen f- first appears at the door, doesn't he? And returns them and says, "I've got someone here to apologize to you," and he just really sort of dismissively says, you know, "Sorry," but he clearly doesn't, you

Cris: he clearly doesn't, you know- He doesn't care, yeah not,

Sidey: not a heartfelt apology.

Reegs: And she says, "I don't accept it." And he's even less, like, compelling the second time round. Yeah. So they don't got off to a great start.

Sidey: Dr. Cohen, what I

Dan: What I think- It's

Reegs: because he's like, he starts telling some story about, "Oh, I need... I'm gonna be away for a bit.

Sidey: Did he ever give any explanation of where he was going?

Reegs: of where he was going. No. No, I, I think he just-

Cris: I

Sidey: had

Cris: was just the plot to-

Sidey: but he's

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: But he's like, "Oh, I'm gonna be away for three or four weeks, maybe a couple of months.

Dan: You

Reegs: y- you're gonna look after it." She's like, "No, fuck

Sidey: that just fucking robbed me in the street? No. No.

Reegs: then, but as he walks out, he realizes she's left him in the house, and then he's like, "Okay, I see what's going on here." So they negotiate some price, 'cause

Cris: it's quite good though because he, he's like, "But what about if I give you 600 euros?" And she's like,

Reegs: "Absolutely not." Absolutely not.

Cris: And he's like, "700. 750." Yeah. Deal.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: And, yeah, 'cause she's got another lad in there.

Reegs: She's got two. She's got Babu- And Yosef ... a young kid, and Yosef, a Romanian Jew- Yeah ... that she's teaching about his Jewish- Yeah

Sidey: Yeah ...

Reegs: you know, sort of ancestry. And Babu, who is the daughter of Lola, the transgender,

Sidey: yeah, there's a lot going on

Dan: not gonna- Neighbor- Neighbor ... or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: Who is also

Reegs: a, sex worker. Who the, is also a sex worker, and is introduced with a shot that ogles...

Cris: I

Dan: I'm gonna be- Yeah

Sidey: ogles-

Reegs: I'm gonna be... I d- I got really confused about what pronouns were right here- Yeah ... because later on he'll refer to him. He says, he- 'cause he's, he's the father obviously of this

Dan: Babu. Of Lola. Yeah.

Reegs: Of Lara, yeah ... and 'cause the mother doesn't- The mother of the baby ... i-t- trust him anymore Yeah And as we'll also find out, he was a middleweight boxing champion. Which

Cris: is why

Dan: which is why they, they respect him in the street. Yeah. 'Cause he- they live in quite a, a tight community, as we'll, we'll go... is it Hassan, the shopkeeper that they go

Reegs: no. It's Mr. Hammal ... Hammal. Mr. Hammal,

Dan: down to? Yeah. Yeah. It's Mr. Hamel. Hamel. Yeah.

Sidey: It's just a Hamill.

Cris: Mr. Hamil. Hamil. Mr. Hamil, yeah. Hamil, Hassan, same thing

Dan: I knew it began with a H. And after a, a little while, he, momo's kind of-

Reegs: sets

Dan: his authority in the house and the other boys won't take it, and he gets moved into what is essentially the bathroom. Yeah. And he's got a bed under a sink. And he's, he- you see him drawing. He's actually quite a, a good artist, isn't he? He's lioness. He's drawing lionesses and things, but,

Reegs: because he'll occasionally have visions of a lioness.

Dan: Yeah, which is all around, you know, his, his mother and- Mm-hmm ... that, those kind of abandonment issues and, and things, although, you

Reegs: that are like- And also a bit bound up in his faith, 'cause he is from Senegal as well- Yeah ... the lion being the emblem

Cris: And he's, he says that he's been taught at school that he was Muslim. He didn't- Yeah ... he didn't know.

Reegs: Mm.

Dan: No. So when they go to Mr. Habel then he's a Muslim as well, and

Sidey: she approaches him first, doesn't

Dan: a job- Well, she approaches the person she- For

Sidey: for a job. Miss... Madam Rosa says, "You, you just need to look... Maybe do, like, I don't know, a day a week or a few hours here and there just to, like, give him some responsibility or something."

Reegs: Well, 'cause he's had a f- fight with the other kid as well, so she realizes he needs a bit of focus.

Sidey: he sort of takes to him almost immediately, really.

Dan: He's a good sort, isn't

Sidey: He's, he, he shows him into the back, 'cause he's got a kind of shitty corner shop at the front- Yeah ... and then he's got his old sort of thing with the rugs and all the other stuff in the back, and he starts explaining to him about his heritage and- Yeah what it means, and he... Then he opens up about he didn't even know he was a Muslim till he got to school or something like that. And so he starts to get a little bit more set. It, it calms down a little with him, but at the same time he starts drug dealing- Yeah. Yeah ... for, for the guy- Yeah ... in the shop, just selling hash.

Reegs: is like this fish dealer. Yeah. Fish... He, he, he's got... He runs his own fishing- Fishmonger

Sidey: But he's obviously making more money on the side

Dan: with the- You can always- Yeah ... smell the fish when they have those scenes, can't you? Like, even- Oh ... through the TV- Yeah ... you can just like, oh, God, you, you notice. Bogging.

Reegs: makes him eat it, and you can see the actor's like,

Dan: it's just l- like a slobbery piece

Cris: raw. Raw is the best. Yeah. You don't have to cook it, and

Dan: You get all the taste ... ugh. Oh.

Reegs: he finds himself... He's a bit of a drug-selling prodigy, I think just 'cause he's got a load of hustle, right? Yeah. And he goes to a lot of different places and,

Dan: he's, he's selling with his teachers- Selling hash and- ... at, at school. He's selling with the other kids. He's selling at the sports hall. He's, you know, anybody that, that wants anything, he's... And he's got it down. He's got a good brain for, for numbers, and he goes, "What's he gonna sell? He's 60 for this, he's 40 for that." Yeah, he's really- You know, he knows exactly the way, and the dealer says, "Look, just don't ever fuck me over. That's, that's number one thing. That's number one lesson." And he comes back a week later, and he's... tells the other guy, who's the older guy who's got the motorbike, that he had to go to, to get through to the main dealer before he goes, "Give me your phone." He's got that spot

Reegs: He's number one. 'Cause

Dan: as you say, he, he made more money in a-

Sidey: In a week than you did in a month, yeah than he

Dan: in a month, so he's got the job. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: But the bond sort of grows between... She's quite firm with Momo, but she is also there to empathize with him

Sidey: Yeah, she gets it ... all the stuff that he's had. He's had a lot of trauma, a lot of loss in his life. He's very still, obviously, very, very young, and she gets why he's, he is the way he is, very guarded. He's-

Reegs: he's- And she's also starts to open up a little bit to him because he sees her, he follows her a few nights sneaking down to the basement and seeing her in this sort of old room that's full of sort of Jewish memorabilia and from her time when she was in Auschwitz.

Cris: sees the tattoo,

Reegs: Then the tattoo, the, yeah. But so their grow- their bond starts to grow even as she starts to succumb to kind of dementia and,

Sidey: Yeah, there's one- ... she starts, yeah ... the first time we see her, she's just staring.

Cris: In the rain. Yeah.

Sidey: just- Just outside ... just sat in the rain just, like, completely almost catatonic. Yeah. And the two boys are trying to sort of rouse her, and they're just pulling funny faces and, like, not mooning her as such- Yeah ... but just, like, wagging him- his bum paper. Yeah. And she sort of- Yeah ... starts to come round, and she's very disorientated, and you start to realize, oh, she's on the decline here.

Reegs: And it'll happen again later, and he'll cover for her in front of Lola so as to save her embarrassment. But it's clear it's

Sidey: She, makes him promise because she doesn't trust doctors because of what she's seen. Yeah. Which

Reegs: seen. Yeah, what she's, what she experienced. Yeah.

Sidey: And "So they'll, they'll just torture you and experiment on you, and I don't want that. Promise..." You know, she's asking... I don't know, what age is he? 10,

Dan: 12,

Sidey: Just saying, "Promise me that you won't let them take me to hospital." And he's like, "Okay, I promise." And so their bond's become, you know, really quite strong. Yeah. But he also s- you know, one scene,

Dan: one scene,

Sidey: 'cause he, he gets a sort of whizzy, like, electric bike thing that

Dan: he loves that, doesn't

Sidey: I, "Where the fuck did you get that from?" He's like, "Well, I've been dealing." And she's like, "For fuck's sake." "If you don't like it, get fucked." He's like. Yeah. Yeah. And Lola kind of runs after him, but she says, "Don't bother. It's not

Cris: dealing."

Dan: If you don't like it, get fucked. He's like- Yeah. And Lola's kinda c- runs after him, but she says, "Don't bother. It's not gonna do any good. Like, you know, you can't get through to him in that kinda mood. He's gonna do what he's gonna do." And obviously she's not judgmental. She's had her own life and, and now she's got her own kind

Reegs: looking after the-

Sidey: after

Dan: the- And

Reegs: looking after- ... the children of transgender- The children, yeah ... sex workers. Sex workers. She's, she's probably seen a few things

Cris: also that's the night when he goes out and meets the, one of the older drug dealer, and he's at this party. He's drinking. He's doing this, and then-

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: they're getting him drunk and

Cris: Rosa gets to hospital.

Dan: that

Sidey: He comes back and he sees the ambulance.

Cris: back home like- No doubt ... early hours of the morning, and she's being put in the ambulance, and-

Reegs: And obviously she said expressly to him, "Don't let

Cris: "Don't let them take me." "Don't let them take me." Yeah. Yeah. And he kinda just goes a bit like, "Well, what am I doing here?" Yeah. The night where I had fun, and I've been doing all this, but this person that- Hasn't ... been looking after me, and he... That was his only place to live.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: then he knows if I'm not staying with her where I had freedom- Yeah ... and she let me do my own thing, now what am I gonna do? Just go back. Dr. Cohen's not gonna

Sidey: have him back, so social

Cris: services is not gonna let

Sidey: him deal drugs.

Dan: not gonna let him deal drugs. Yeah.

Sidey: So he, he goes to see her in hospital- Yeah ... and just basically does a jailbreak. Yeah. Puts her in a wheelchair and- At

Reegs: he thinks she's, like, ma- fabricating it so that she can sort of abandon him again, basically, his fear of abandonment.

Sidey: she's also told him this story about she's got a photo- Yeah she showed him in her little hidey-hole place. Oh, that place. And explains about i- if I

Reegs: bat cave, they do

Sidey: like, "I, I'm, you know, I'd be happy to lose all memories as long as I can keep this one." And this is obviously incredibly special for her.

Cris: From Viareggio. Yeah

Sidey: and about the, the wherever the plant- The mimosas the mimosas. And he brings a... Well, it's, it's a little bit after. He's ... Af- it's actually after he's broken her out, isn't it? He, he puts her in a wheelchair in the hospital and then just, like, he's, like, looking around the corners and just, like seems quite funny. Yeah.

Reegs: She's sort of catatonic at this point, like, largely. Yeah. She's

Sidey: she knows exactly what's going on, is she? But he's able to take her back and back to her sort of little special-

Cris: But

Sidey: he- ... dungeon-y thing ... he

Cris: does put her in the basement rather than in

Reegs: flat Well, it's because she de- described feeling safe in a similar situation as a child- Yeah ... being underneath the floorboards- Yeah. Yeah ... to hide basically from the Germans, which her parents had obviously made her feel safe. So that's what she's done. She's recreated her childhood- Yeah ... in that room.

Sidey: And he has made this, He couldn't find any real mimosa, but he's made this little-

Cris: a fake- Like a fake plant.

Sidey: a fake plant, you know. And she's really sort of overwhelmed by how it's, it's not something you would necessarily expect him to have done.

Cris: Yeah. But it's funny that he, he's like, "I'm really sorry, it's just plastic. I couldn't get the real one." And she's, "Oh my God, this is amazing. This is the best thing I've ever seen." And

Sidey: tells him, "You're a good kid." And he's, like, probably never heard that before. Yeah.

Cris: And I think after that he

Sidey: caring for her, but she's

Cris: drug dealer's gaff now, and he's like, "Right, I need to... I don't- I don't wanna do this anymore," basically. Yeah. And the guy, you can see even the guy is like, "Oh, my missus was meant to bring my son. It's his birthday, but he didn't show up. She didn't bring him." So he wanted to have a glass of Prosecco with him, and he's like ... Which is, again, he's 12 and he's having glasses of Prosecco. And he's like, "Actually, I came here because I wanna give you the money and all the drugs and everything. I don't wanna do this

Sidey: and everything. I don't wanna do this anymore."

Cris: And

Reegs: To be fair, he just lets him do that ... well,

Cris: this is the thing, because for me there was... there came a point where he kind of stood up and came close to him, which I thought he's gonna smack him- Yeah ... or he's gonna,

Reegs: But then we cut and move on ... but

Sidey: he just- He was fairly chill, that guy, for a- 'Cause I

Cris: just remember, if you leave this here, we're done." Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: "We're not... That's it. It's done."

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: And he just, "That's it." He, he goes back to- He goes back

Sidey: goes back to caring for her ... to the hospice and- He's trying to get her to just have a drink 'cause

Cris: think that's when Lola comes back

Dan: It is, yeah.

Cris: 'Cause Lola went back to Galicia or, or Spain, wherever she's from, from Spain, to see her dad.

Reegs: the Cath- her Catholic father. Yeah. 'Cause we've, we've gotta have all the r- major religions represented. And yeah, so she's g- gone off to reconcile maybe with him, and then come back, and that's when we join the beginning of the movie again with Momo. Yeah, 'cause he's been trying to get her to drink. She's clearly, like,

Sidey: Yeah, 'cause he's been trying to get her to drink. She's clearly, like, really on the decline now. Yeah. She's barely drinking or eating, I don't think, and he's just getting her to take sips, and he's refilling the water when he's sort of seen. And this is where you kind of see the bit where he's behind the door crying, and the camera just sort of moves just enough so you can see her and thinks she's dead.

Cris: Yeah. Well, the, the next shot

Sidey: is the funeral. The next shot is the funeral. I don't know if

Dan: passed away in her sleep, isn't she? I mean, she didn't wanna go into the hospital, she didn't want any of that, and he's been able to keep his word as far as that goes. Yes ... and yeah, then the neighborhood all get together, don't they?

Sidey: Yeah, there's a, there's a funeral.

Dan: And there's lots of kind of-

Cris: then the

Dan: end is him- ... coloring out ... Lola and Mr. Hamel.

Reegs: Yeah. They sort of walk off and- As a, as a, as a unit ... as a sort of new little family of people. Yeah. And then the lion- lioness comes walking up- Yeah the gardens, and I think that's how it ends, with the shot of the lioness. Yeah. Finn.

Dan: Yeah. And he's, he's got, you know, sort of a, a, some hope I guess for the future that he's got a brighter future than he would've done without that whole

Sidey: I think he's learned enough, and he's had enough kindness from her that it's able to, like, elevate him out of a bit of a rut that he was in. So you kind of feel a little bit optimistic for his

Cris: Yeah, I mean, for better or worse, the, Mr. Hamel and Lola was as much as she's good or bad, is better than

Sidey: The str- ... dealing drugs. Yeah. For sure.

Dan: Sure. And and what do you think of Sophia Loren then? I mean, 'cause she didn't say anything really in the fi- 86

Reegs: was in

Dan: Yeah. Incredible, you know, for 86 years old. I thought, I thought, you know- Yeah ... what a great perform- I mean, still be able to get up and do... She's even dancing in one stage and everything. Yeah, yeah. But, You know, the acting, 'cause she doesn't say anything in the final part of the film really. She's just all with the- Kind of just the eyes, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's that catatonic s- you know, it's all very visual kind of stuff. She still got it. Like, you know what I mean? She is a hell of a ... Anybody doing anything at 86 years old,

Reegs: Yeah, but she's still got screen presence

Dan: still got screen presence ... and she's still got that screen presence. Yeah

Reegs: Mm.

Cris: And you can see even when she speaks, like when, at the beginning when she speaks to the authorities, like everyone's kinda just like, "Oh, okay. This is..." You know, she's 86 but she's still got fire in her. And the kids, the kids, the, the master of the show,

Reegs: think. Yeah.

Cris: thought. Yeah. He's really good in this, Momo.

Dan: Idris

Reegs: Idrissa, his, his, it's something Gueye, isn't it, is his name?

Dan: does say at the

Cris: gay?

Sidey: name? Idrissa Gueye.

Reegs: it, it's a bit like that, but,

Cris: but- it does say at the end that is the first participation in a film by

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Imi- Ibrahima

Cris: If I get, yeah

Reegs: Might

Sidey: He might...

Dan: that was his debut, was it?

Reegs: think they were-

Dan: some, that's someone to, to say you've done your first film

Sidey: with- Yeah

Dan: isn't it, innit? Yeah, I, I

Reegs: Yeah, Sophia Loren. Sophia Loren. Who did you do your debut with?

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: I thought it was okay. It's a bit treacly, a bit saccharine. There was so much thrown at it that none of it was examined in any kind of detail. Her Auschwitz survival, his mother being a sex worker, the transgenderism, the Muslim faith. None of it was really examined at all, so it was kind of a bit nothing really went anywhere. A bit like the drug storyline, like, which kind of, again, went nowhere at all. But yeah, I mean, it's good compelling performances, and it'd be awful to say that you didn't like something as, like, well-intentioned as this, but as a movie I think it's only okay. I quite enjoyed

Sidey: I quite enjoyed it. I like the performances. He was good, and it's the first time I've seen Sophia Loren properly in a movie, and, you know, obviously you're seeing her at the obviously the very end of her career. And is she dead? Did she die after this, or is she still going? No, I think she's still- Don't know. Think she's still alive? ... going strong.

Reegs: don't know. I think she's still going. I

Dan: I think she's still going. Still alive? Yeah.

Sidey: just couldn't remember. I remember this being a thing about her being in a film directed by her son. Yeah.

Cris: yeah, because it's like, that's how she got out

Dan: retirement. I think her husband passed away. Right.

Sidey: But like you say, it does, it does sort of scar- there's a few sort of things that just don't go anywhere, especially the drug bit and all

Cris: I think it's more, and, and this is me having an opinion I quite enjoyed it. This, again, is not, is it a masterpiece that's gonna win any Oscars? No. It was a breeze. It was not too long. It was a, it wa- And nice scenery, nice colorful language, dresses, all that. And it's also in tune with the Italian kinda culture, because in Italy, nothing is taken too seriously until it's football, religion, or, or drugs. Mm. So, so they, they kinda touch, except for the football, they kinda touch on everything. And you've got pretty much all the sides of the culture in Italy, where you got some people that are Muslim, you got some people that are gay, you got some people that are transgender, you got some people that are g- Catholic, you got some people that are on the street. You got immigrants, you got this. But in the end, everybody's trying to make it somehow and make a living. I think if they would've gone on, on either one of the religion or, Yeah

Reegs: or it- But maybe it was a bit all too much

Cris: would've been too much of one

Sidey: thing. They would've need to have focused on one bit. Yeah. Too

Cris: It would've needed to have focused on one, yeah ... especially with Italy being such a political country, divided by the north and south. And also, this was in Puglia. It was done by- Was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it was done by Netflix.

Sidey: Dani in my country.

Cris: done by Netflix with the, the Puglia Association of Film or

Sidey: like that. Right. Okay.

Cris: so that's where they, where they've done it. It was ... So I think

Dan: being

Cris: an Italian film made in Italy, they didn't wanna make a,

Dan: a

Cris: statement- Yeah ... or, or a gay statement or a tran- whatever.

Reegs: There's no statement at all, really. It was just- Apart from just it's,

Sidey: know- Be nice and be excellent to each

Reegs: be excellent to each other. Which is a nice one, but-

Cris: being a bit of a breeze through everything that everybody gets in Italy. Yeah. But at the end of the day is

Dan: let's all

Sidey: get along and- Yeah. You dig it, Dan?

Dan: I did. I, I, I liked it for different reasons, really. I liked the, the, the settings, the scenery. I liked the fact that the, the culture did ooze through the film. I liked

Cris: Loren

Sidey: Sophia Loren

Dan: S- Sophia Loren in it, I must say. I thought she was, she was-

Sidey: getting your numbers up?

Dan: excellent. For 86 years old- ... I thought... You know, n- never mind she was 86 years old. I, I thought for, you know... I didn't think she was anywhere near that age, to be honest, until, you know... I thought sort of late 70s or something, maybe.

Reegs: thought you were gonna be like, "Oh, 41," or something.

Dan: I thought you were gonna be like, "Well, 41" or something. No. She, I mean- No, no ... you can see that she's a- an older lady, but,

Reegs: but,

Dan: I thought she's... As you say, screen presence. She's definitely still had the, the screen presence. It, it didn't have any kind of, you know, overriding theme, as we said. It, there wasn't anything that you would hang your hat on and say it's a film about this. But it was just around the community, around people, around this l- little lad who had such a difficult life- Yeah ... and that actually could have gone just off the rails if it hadn't have been for the people around him, if it hadn't have been for people taking... Who had probably had a shit lives themselves up to some point, but they've kind of all just tried to do a little bit. Even the drug dealer, you said he, he wasn't that bad a guy, you know? It was just people getting by-

Reegs: bit about letting him go because, like you say, because of his own son- Yeah, his son was, yeah being distanced from him.

Dan: And, and then you go and just try and do a little bit better than you otherwise might have and- Yeah ... yeah. So I, I kinda liked it for that. I thought it was it was probably not the kind of film I would've, I would've seen-

Reegs: wasn't there? With really dirty lyrics in it.

Cris: Oh, there's a few of them. What

Dan: what

Reegs: that about? It was... Was that just Italian music is, like- Yeah ... really filthy? 'Cause it was all like- Some

Cris: of it is, yeah. It's the same like English or, like, in England. There, there's-

Reegs: Maybe when it was... But this was all kinda soft and then, but the words that were coming up in the, the,

Cris: In the translation, yeah in the

Sidey: the

Reegs: were like, "Oh, right. Okay. Lick my what and do what now?"

Sidey: Overall?

Reegs: Strong recommend. Strong.

Dan: recommend. Yeah

Cris: I don't know whose turn it is next week, but it's definitely not mine anymore

Dan: Okay, well we're gonna figure that out 12 Angry

Sidey: anymore Okay. Well, we'll figure it all out. 12 Angry Men was you. It's you. Simon. It's Daniel.

Dan: it's not me, it's you

Sidey: It's Daniel. Then

Dan: it's me. Wow. We're in for a absolute- You were a

Cris: were 12 Angry Men

Reegs: I was.

Cris: sex with 12

Reegs: Men. I did.

Dan: 12 Angry Men I did We're absolute- I thought that was

Sidey: that was Pete actually, and before that was me. So it's you, it's Daniel. Okay. So, we look forward to that. All that remains is to say Sidie signing out.

Reegs: Rhys left the building.