The Life Ahead

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Hi guys. Hi. Everyone's a bit jaded today because we're recording this on Monday. Yeah. Still the same day of England's glorious defeat of the Mexicans.

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At the Azteca Stadium. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's the same day in the United Kingdom.

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Where the four million meters altitude. Yeah, where the hand of God and was first revealed.

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Altidude came up with the good goods. Yeah, so we we uh we watched that and now we're gonna talk about some movies.

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And some stuff. What have you been watching? Anything?

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I watched the well haven't watched the world, I watched the Armstrong lie on Netflix. Okay. Because the Tour de France has started.

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On Saturday starting? It started day three today. Oh yeah, I started on Saturday. Was it Barcelona I started?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So watched that. And I mentioned to you about Marco Pierre White last year. And Breachy has dived in and been watching them all on YouTube and she's fucking thrilled. Yeah. Yeah. Enjoying it. The life advice that you get, whilst also being maybe told off. Told off, yeah. No, but also being given like good cookery tips. Um it's good. Yeah. So I I watched some more of that actually. Yeah. What about you?

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I've been watching Cape Fear, which is Apple TV. Yeah, he's brilliant in it, honestly. I watched the trailer, I thought, oh, it looks really good, actually. It's really, really silly. It's unbelievable. It's Martin Scorsazi and Steven Spielberger, the producers of it. Right. So two pretty lightweights. It's so like hammy. But it's got loads of actors in that I really like, like Patrick Wilson and Javier Bardem.

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Is it Amy Archer's the Amy Adams? Amy Adams.

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Yeah, as well.

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And they're all like fucking lunatics, basically. So we're gonna watch that. I've nearly finished the pit, so I'm looking for another series after it.

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Is it just one season? So far, yeah. What is it called again? It's Cape Fear. It's a remake it's a remake of a remake of a remake. Right, okay.

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There were two movies, the Simpsons episode.

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I remember the De Niro Cape movie with Max Cady, I think Nolte. Um Petishaw Cat, is it? Was it Juliet Lewis? Juliet Lewis, yeah. Juliet Lewis, yeah. It was one of the films I remember staying up late to watch when I was a kid with I think we'd rented it, you know, with mum and dad, and De Niro's got all those mad tattoos and everything, and yeah, it's quite a role.

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And have yeah, by them some good actors, so yeah, okay, all nice.

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You watch anything, Chris? I'd randomly watched a film caught called Shot Collar. It's uh it's like a prison thing. I can't remember where where it was on one of these channels that I have, and I was waiting for the football to start, and I didn't really know what to put on, and it was it it just kind of popped. You know how you go through like Prime or whatever, and it's because you watch this, we recommend this. And it it's is that Koster Waldau? Nikolai Koster? Yeah, yeah, Game of Thrones. Yeah, him and Jamie Lannister. There's some there's the um Burnthal. John Burnthal is in it. They're kind of in prison. He crashes, he's like a stockbroker or something, he crashes into someone, kills his best mate who's in the car with him, goes to prison, and in prison he basically becomes this lunatic and he gets a white pride tattoo, like also he gets like proper white power, all that stuff, and it it's kind of like he goes into the yard first and he straight starts a fight to the black guy, and then the Aryan Brotherhood is like, Alright, wood, come here, we'll give you the ropes, you need to put this up your ass, you give it to that guy. It's like drugs and stuff. It's just a lot of ass stuff going on in prison, isn't there? Especially in that's the third pocket, no, yeah. So yeah, so there you go.

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Done if I did actually put on the boys again just while I was waiting for the World Cup. Yeah, just the first episode, because Swayze was around, a friend was around, and he hadn't seen it before, and I said, Oh, you know, if you're looking for something to watch, then see if you you like this. And we watched the best part of the first episode, and you've got that scene where Huey's just holding Robin's hands, like, and and the the the train what's his name? A train the A-train is is kind of laughing about it afterwards, saying he ate a molar, he went through it that fast and everything. Really kind of disgusting, and but at the same time it's got that dark kind of comedy value. Um quite like Jack Wade as well. Yeah, it's good. And you see, you know, Billy as well, sort of Keith Urban for the first time in in this as well, and knowing what you know afterwards from see having seen the series before. So I kind of enjoyed that again. I don't think I'm gonna commit to watching them all over again. I've only just finished the the last series a few months ago, but yeah, it's been World Cup content for me, basically. Shall we talk about dynamite?

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Yes.

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Top five dynamites?

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Well, I said dynamites and explosions. I didn't really I wasn't really sure. I have a feeling we probably did explosions before, but I don't really remember. So you know So it will have to be dynamite then.

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What are you putting in, Dan? Well, it's going to be Wages of Fear, La Celia de la Pieu, which is the 1953 black and white masterpiece, and it's it's the the grandfather of tension, if you like, and we've reviewed it for the pod before. You and I watched it one.

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I think I've still got your DVD in my guess if I've not watched it yet.

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And you still not even oh it's a key thing to do. Right. Yeah, I've I've not got around to to seeing that, but it's a bunch of you know, broke, desperate European vagrants trapped in a horrible nitroglycerine. South American town and an American oil company oil refinery or well catches fire miles away, and the only way to put it out is to cause a target explosion using this nitroglycerine, and to get there, they've got these trucks with loaded with it going across a bumpy road, and it's wildly unstable if it if it hits a bump too hard or a tire slips, they vibrate too much, they vaporise. And so they're sending out four trucks in the hope one of it one of them will make it there. And yeah, it's there's there's a few explosions in this. One at one point there's a big boulder in the way of the road, and they take a little bit of this night to to clear the path. So it just gives you an example of how explosive it is, and they get to know each other on the brakes and everything, and they'll they'll stop and and chat every now and again. And they like each other, but when when one of them blows up, he goes, Oh, I never like that guy. Like, you know, they're they'll just they haven't got time to feel sorry and down and go, that guy was an asshole. I don't know why he was, you know, but really there's tears welling up in their eyes as they're saying it. It was yeah, a classic.

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Right? Napoleon Dynamite in on her own for Chris's favourite ever movie that we watched for the pod, and yeah. You the the you're shaking your head like that's I've never seen anything worse.

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We've never seen anything worse.

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Not I honestly, I'd rather watch in the notebook. Cats. What? The notebook? Yeah, than that. The rom com one.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, was there anything anything worse than that? No. Well, Napoleon Dynamite is worse than that for me. There we go. What are you putting in then? I'm gonna put in Train Dreams. We've done it for the one with Tar not Taran Edgerton, Joel Edgerton or what he's talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he There's a guy called Arn Peoples, the l the old man who's an explosive master, yeah. And he he kind of tells the story of how we're killing the trees, we're cutting down 500 year old. He's like really connected with what they're doing, and he's like, Look, it has to have an effect. We we're cutting down 500 of the old trees, and no one's held accountable, and and we it will all our time will come. And he's got a scene where the where he he's wired everything up, he's wired everything up and everybody's like, What's going on, old man? He's like, Oh, I don't know what's going on, and then boom, the explosion. And then we also have the scene where he gets hit by a branch. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he he dies.

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Literally, it's past his falling branch, you know.

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Yeah, and he's not the that's the the dying scene is not related to dynamite, but he is a dynamite expert, and he is he's quite funny and he's quite colourful in in the film, which the film is really quite bleak and quite simple. I liked that, it was good. But I I I kind of thought that would be a nice addition. Yeah. And it's William H. Macy, who apparently has a massive dick. Kind of funny looking. So you know Ned Flanders. Yeah.

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Mr. NMIT. Yeah, yeah. Done. Yeah. Easy. Yeah. Right, we're gonna talk about the life ahead. Yeah. Yeah. This was on Netflix. So Netflix joined, I think. Just were distributed by them. 2020 film directed by Eduardo Ponti.

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Yeah, who is the ooh. Son? Sister? Son, I think, isn't it? Sophia Loren.

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Sophia Loren, yes. I think this might be the only movie I've ever seen with Sophia Loren in.

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Yeah, I think you might be right.

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She hasn't done a lot in a long time. But the ones you know her for, like the one with the Arcadian stuff. I don't know I've ever seen them. So she's my Sophia Loren debut. And it's it's the story of a Holocaust survivor, prostitute, sex worker who's actual joy division, what they're named after.

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Who looks after the children of now projects? Yeah. And then there's a doctor of the first after.

SPEAKER_05 10:21

We've we first see the kind of end, don't we? We actually see the end first, yeah. Where Momo is spotted in a stairwell by a lady and a child. She knows she obviously knows who he is because she calls it by his name. Yeah. And he looks at her and kind of panics and drops these two empty big plastic water containers. That's right, yeah. And bolts and then clutches door, and you just see him sobbing kind of behind a door, and then it kind of goes back.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

It's weird though, because he's running down this channel down to this like basement, you're like, ooh, what the fuck? Yeah, like a friction dungeon almost. Yeah. And then it cuts to six months earlier, and he's in a local marketplace Momo, and he spies an easy target, he sees Sophia Lorenz's character, Madame Rosa.

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It's a lovely blue dress, and she's in kind of like a flea market, isn't she? And or just like a market, but there's there's different kinds of bits, and she's got some candlesticks in there.

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They're the sort they're the kind of candlesticks you'd have on a Friday night in a Jewish household for you know the dinner. But I think she the I she was gonna go and pawn them, wasn't she? Yeah, she's prepared rent.

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Yeah.

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That's what she was saying, that that would have covered the rent for the next half over a month or whatever.

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But Momo sees this as an opportunity, she kind of frail and he runs in, grabs the bag and legs it off. Um and doesn't even go that far away before he's like looking in the bag to see what he's got, is it?

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He's like he meets his it's not friends, is it some other boy? A connection who's like a local sort of low-level drug dealer. Yeah. And they they're talking, and the guy sort of from inside the shop sees them. Yeah. And the other guy's obviously sort of beats them up a bit and tells him to fuck off. I mean, he tries to take the stuff off him, doesn't he? And he he pushes Motorbices. His pride and joyous motorbike over and does a runner. Yeah. And then he gets back to this. He's staying with this doctor who's who's Dolphin Cohen. I think it was officially adopted him, he'd certainly take him in in his house.

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He'll explain later that his m Momo's mother was a patient of his and she died basically in his care, and he was essentially left holding the Yeah.

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But she was also a prozy.

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She was a sex worker as well.

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Yeah, so he tries to stash it, like it does it's not exactly a very because these are big old candlesticks. Yeah, they're huge. And he just puts them on top of a cupboard in the kitchen and Dr. Coach.

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Dr. Coach comes to it and get every property. He goes, What did you get? He goes, Oh, I won them. And he goes, Oh, did you win that mark on your face as well? Because he's been punched by the unlucky day. Yeah, the lucky day. And then he's like, you know, if you don't tell me where you know, you don't get social services together.

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And he says, I don't I don't accept stolen property in in my apartment. So he's obviously got form for like mischief and doing this, that, and the other. Yeah, well, next scene he'll end up being dragged off Momo to Madame Rose's forced to apologise. Well, Dr. Cohen first appears at the door, doesn't he, and returns them and says, 'I've got someone here to apologize to you,' and he just really sort of dismissively says, you know, sorry, but he clearly doesn't, you know. Doesn't care. It's not a heartfelt apologies.

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And she says I don't accept it, and he's even less like compelling the second time round. So he won't go off to a great start. Dr. Cohen. It's amazing because he's like he starts telling some story about I need to I'm gonna be away for a bit. Did he ever get an explanation of where he was going? No, no, but I think he just did anymore. Like, but he's like, Oh, I'm gonna be away for three or four weeks, or maybe a couple of months. Are you gonna look after it? She's like, nah, that just fucking robbed me in the street. Yeah. No. And then but as he walks out, he realizes he's left him in the house. And then he's like, okay, I see what's going on here. So they negotiate some price because all the time. But it's quite good though, because he's like, But what about if I give you 600 euros?

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She's like, Absolutely not. And he's like 700, 750 deal. And yeah, because he's got another lad in there.

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She's got two, she's got Babu, a young kid, and Yossif, a Romanian Jew that she's teaching about his Jewish ancestry. And Babu, who is the daughter of Lola, the transgender Yeah, there's a lot going on here.

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Neighbor.

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Yeah, who is also a is also a sex worker and is introduced with a shot that Ogles I mean, people I tell I got really confused about what pronouns were right here because later on he'll refer to him. He says because he's he's the father, obviously, of this Babu. Of Lola, yeah. And because the mother doesn't trust him anymore. Yeah. And as we'll also find out, he was a middleweight boxing champion, which is why they they respect him in the street.

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Yeah. Because he they live in quite a tight community, as we'll we'll go. Is it Hassan, the shopkeeper that they go to? Yeah, no, it's Mr. Hamill. Hamill. Hamil Hassan, same thing. I knew it again with H. And after a a little while he Momo kind of sets his authority in the house, and the other boys won't take it, and he gets moved into what is essentially the bathroom, and he's got a bed under a sink. And he's he's you see him drawing, he's actually quite a good artist. He's lioness. He's drawing lionesses and things, but because he'll occasionally have visions of the lioness. Yeah. Which is all around, you know, his his mother and that those kind of abandonment issues and and things, although, you know, obviously.

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And also a bit bound up in his faith because he is from Senegal as well, the lion being the end building.

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And he's he says that he's been taught at school that he was Muslim. He didn't he didn't know.

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No, so when they go to Mr. Habel, then he's a Muslim as well. And well she kind of asked him for a job.

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Madame Roswell says you just needed to look maybe do like, I don't know, a day or week or a few hours here and there just to like give him some responsibility or something. Well, because he's had a f fight with the other kid as well, so he realizes it needs a bit of focus. He sort of takes to him almost immediately, really. He's a good source he's he's he shows him into the back because he's got a kind of shitty corner shop at the front, and then he's got his old sort of thing with the rugs and all the other stuff in the back, and he starts explaining to him about his heritage and what it means, and he's then he opens up about he didn't even know he was a Muslim until got to school or something like that. So he starts to get a little bit more set it calms down a little with him, but at the same time he starts drug dealing for the for the guy in the shop.

SPEAKER_04 16:31

It's like this fish dealer, yeah. Fish it he's got it runs his own fish. It's like a fish running hunger.

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Yeah, but he's obviously making more money on the side with fish.

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You can always smell the fish when they have those scenes, can't you? Like even through the TV, you can just like oh god, you're that memory makes him eat it, and you can see the actors like it's just like a spot we're he did raw, raw is the place you have to cook it.

SPEAKER_04 16:53

You get the taste. But he finds himself he's a bit of a drug-selling prodigy, I think, just because he's got a load of hustle, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:59

And he goes to a lot of different places and he's selling with his teachers at school, he's selling with the other kids, he's selling at the sports hall, he's you know, anybody that that wants anything, he's and he's got it down, he's got a good brain for for numbers, and he goes, What's he gonna tell? He's 60 for this, he's forty for that, you know. He knows exactly the way and the dealer says, Look, just don't ever fuck me over. That's that's number one thing, that's number one lesson. And he comes back a week later and he's tells the other guy who was the older guy who's got the motorbike that he had to go to to get through to the main dealer before he goes, Give me your phone, he's got that spot now. He's number one. As you say, he he made more money in a week than he did in a month, so he's got the job.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

Yeah. But the bond sort of grows between she's quite firm with Momo, but she is also there to empathise with him around and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 17:58

He's had a lot of trauma, a lot of loss in his life. He's very still obviously very, very young, and she gets why he's is the way he is, very guarded.

SPEAKER_04 18:05

He's and she's also starts to open up a little bit to him because he sees her, he follows her a few nights sneaking down to the basement and seeing her in this sort of old room that's full of sort of Jewish memorabilia and from her time when she was in Auschwitz. And he sees the tattoo and all. Then the tattoo, yeah. But so their grow their bond starts to grow even as she starts to succumb to kind of dementia and yeah, there's one the first time you see her, she's just staring.

SPEAKER_05 18:33

In the rain, yeah. Just sat in the rain, just like completely almost catatonic. Yeah. And the two boys are trying to sort of rouse her, and they're just putting funny faces and like not mooning her as such, but just like wagging him with his bum back just being little kids, yeah. Starts to come round and she's very disorientated, and you start to realise oh, she's on the decline here.

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And it will happen again later, and he'll cover for her in front of Laula so as to save her embarrassment.

SPEAKER_05 18:58

But she makes him promise because she doesn't trust doctors because of what she's seen.

SPEAKER_04 19:03

Yeah, what she s what she experienced.

SPEAKER_05 19:05

Yeah, and so they they'll just torture you and experiment on you, and I don't want that promise, you know. She's asking, I don't know, what age is he? Ten, twelve? Twelve, yeah. She's saying, 'Promise me that you won't let them take me to hospital.' And he's like, Okay, I promise. And so their bonds become, you know, really quite strong. They also, you know, one scene, because he he gets a sort of whizzy like electric bike thing. He loves that. Where the fuck do you get that from? He's like, Well, I've been dealing, and she's like, If you don't like it, get fucked. He's like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

And Lola's kind of runs after him, but she says, Don't bother, it's not gonna do any good. Like, you know, you can't get through to him in that kind of mood. He's gonna do what he's gonna do. And obviously, she's not judgmental. She's had life and and now she's got her own. Well, she's looking after the and she's the children of transgender sex workers.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

She's probably seen a few things. But also that's the night when he goes out and meets the whatever the older drug dealer, and he's at this party, he's drinking, he's doing this, and then Yeah, they're getting him drunk. Madame Rosa uh gets to hospital. He comes back and he sees the ambulance is out of the way. He goes back home like early hours of the morning, and she's being put in the ambulance and obviously she said expressly to him, Don't let them take me. Don't let them take me, yeah. Yeah, and he kind of just goes a bit like, Well, what am I doing here? The night where I had fun and I've been doing all this, but this person that has been looking after me. And he that was his only place to live. Yeah. Because then he knows if I'm not staying with her where I had freedom and she let me do my own thing. Now what am I gonna do? Just go back, Dr. Corn's not gonna have him back. So social services not gonna let him deal with drugs.

SPEAKER_05 20:45

No. So he he goes to see her in hospital, yeah. And just basically just a jailbreaker, yeah. Puts her in a wheelchair.

SPEAKER_04 20:52

At first, he thinks she's like fabricating it so that she can sort of abandon him again, basically, his fear of the channel.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

She's also told him this story about she's got a photo she showed him in her little Heidi Hole place and explains about if I can make it if they do it. So I I'm you know, I'd be happy to lose all memories as long as I can keep this one. It's obviously incredibly special for her. And about the remote plant the mimosas. And he brings her a little bit after it's actually after he's broken her out, isn't it? He he puts her in a wheelchair in the hostel and then just like it's like looking around the corners and she's sort of catatonic at this point, like largely. But he's able to take her back and back to her sort of little special dungeon.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

He does put her in the basement rather than in her.

SPEAKER_04 21:41

Well, it's because she described feeling safe in a similar situation as a child, being underneath the floorboards to hide, basically, from Germans, but her parents had obviously made her feel safe. So that's what she's done. She's recreated her childhood in that room.

SPEAKER_05 21:56

And he has made this couldn't find Any real mimosa, but he's made this little like a fake like a fake plant, you know, and she's really sort of overwhelmed by how it's not something you would necessarily expect him to have done.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Yeah, but it's funny that he he's like, I'm really sorry, it's just plastic, I couldn't get the real one. And she's like, Oh my god, this is amazing, this is the best thing I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_05 22:16

She actually tells him you're a good kid, and he's like, probably never heard that before. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

And I think after that he goes, he goes to the gaff, no, and he's like, Right, I need to I don't I don't want to do this anymore, basically. And the guy, you can see even the guy is like, Oh, my missus was meant to bring my son, it's his birthday, but he didn't show up, she didn't bring him, so he wanted to have a glass of prosecco with him, and he's like Which is again, he's 12 and he's had glasses of Posecco, and he's like, actually, I came here because I want to give you the money and all the drugs and everything. I don't want to do this anymore. Yeah. And to be fair, he just lets him do that. Well, this is the thing, because for me there was there came a point where he kind of stood up and came close to him, which I thought he's gonna smack him or he's gonna be. But then we can't move on. But he just It was fairly chill though, guys. If you leave this here, we're done. Yeah. We're not that's it, it's done. Yeah. And he just that's it. He he goes back to He goes back to Canada for her. He's trying to get her to have a drink because she's gonna be a good thing. I think that's what Lola comes back. It is, yeah. Lola went back to Galicia or Spain, whatever it's talking about, Spain. To see Dad.

SPEAKER_04 23:23

The Cathol her Catholic father. Yeah. Because we've got to have all the ri major religions represented. And uh yeah, so she's g gone off to reconcile maybe with him and then come back. And that's when we join the beginning of the movie again with Momo.

SPEAKER_05 23:38

Yeah, because he's been trying to get her to drink. She's clearly like really on the decline now. She's barely drinking or eating, I don't think, and he's just getting her to take sips and he's refilling the water when he's sort of seen. And this is where you kind of see the bit where he's behind the door crying, and the camera just sort of moves just enough so you can see her and think she's dead. Yeah, well the next shot is the.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

She's passed away in her sleep, isn't she? I mean, she didn't want to go into the hospital, she didn't want any of that, and he's been able to keep his word as far as that goes. Uh and yeah, then the neighbourhood all get together, don't they?

SPEAKER_05 24:11

Yeah, as a as a funeral.

SPEAKER_03 24:13

And there's lots of And then at the end is Hillary.

SPEAKER_04 24:18

Yeah, they sort of walk off as a as a as a sort of new little family of people, and then the lion lioness comes walking up the gardens, and I think that's how it ends with the shot off the lioness. Yeah. Finn.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Yeah, and he's he's got you know, it's a uh some hope, I guess, for the future that he's got a brighter future than he would have done without that whole.

SPEAKER_05 24:44

I think he's learned enough and he's had enough kindness from her that's able to like elevate him out of a bit of a rut that he was in. So you kind of feel a little bit optimistic for his future.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

Yeah, I mean, for better or worse, that Mr. Hamil in Lola was as much as she's good or bad, is better than dealing drugs, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

And and what do you think of Sophia Loren then? I mean, because she didn't say anything really in the 86 she was in this. Yeah, incredible. You know, for 86 years old. Uh I thought. I thought, you know, what a great performer. I mean, still be able to get up and do she was even dancing in one stage. Yeah, you know, the acting, because she doesn't say anything in the final part of the film, really. She's just all with the eyes, you know, is that catatonics, you know, it's all very visual kind of stuff. She's still got it. Like, you know, I mean, she is a hell of a anybody doing anything at 86 years old. Yeah, but she's still got screen presence. And she's still got that screen presence, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

And you can see even when she speaks, like when at the beginning when she speaks with authorities, like everyone's kind of just like okay, it's just you know, she's eighty-six, but she's still got fire in her. And the kids, the kid's the the m master of the show, I I thought. He's really good in this novel. He is.

SPEAKER_04 25:54

Idris it's his it's something gay, isn't it, is his name.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Idrisagana gay. So it's a bit like that, but I think it does say at the end that is the first participation in a film. Ibrahim Ibrahimaguri. Ibrahima Gay. Ibrahim gay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

Might that was his debut, was it? Yeah. I mean, bro, that's some that's someone to to say you've done your first film with in it. Yeah, I I didn't Savia Lorraine.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

Who did you do your debut with?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:20

I thought it was okay. It's a bit trickly, a bit saccharine. There was so much thrown at it that none of it was examined in any kind of detail. Her Auschwitz survival, his mother being a sex worker, the transgenderism, the Muslim faith. None of it was really examined at all. So it was kind of a bit th nothing really went anywhere, a bit like the drug storyline, which kind of again went nowhere at all. But yeah, I mean it's good, compelling performances, and it'd be awful to say that you didn't like something as like well-intentioned as this. But as a movie, I think it's only okay.

SPEAKER_05 26:55

I quite enjoyed it. I like the performances. He was good, and it's the first time I've seen Sophia Loren properly in a movie, and you know, obviously you've seen her at the obviously the very end of her career. Is she dead? Did she die after this? Or is she still going? She's still going. I remember this being a thing about her being in a film directed by her son. Yeah. I think her husband passed away. Right. But like you say, it does it just sort of screw a few sort of things that just don't go anywhere, especially the drug bit and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

I think it's more and and this is me having an opinion. I quite enjoyed it. This again is not, is it a masterpiece gonna win any Oscars? No. It was a breeze, it was not too long, it was a it was and nice scenery, nice colourful language, dresses, all that, and it's also in tune with the Italian kind of culture, because in Italy, nothing is taken too seriously until it's football, religion, or or drugs. So so they they kind of touch, except for the football, they kinda touch on everything. And you've got pretty much all the sides of the culture in Italy where you got some people that are Muslim, you got some people that are gay, you got some people that are transgender, you got some people that are uh uh Catholic, you got some people that are on the street, you got immigrants, you got this, but in the end everybody's trying to make it somehow and make a living. I think if they would have gone on on either one of the religion or maybe it was a bit too much of all at once. They would have need to focus on one bit. Especially with Italy being such a political country, divided by the North and South. And also this was in Puglia. It was done by it was done by Netflix. Daniel conscience. It was done by Netflix with the the the Puglia Association of Film or something like that. So that's where they where they've done it. It was so I think being an Italian film made in Italy, they didn't want to make a a political statement or or a gay statement or a track or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 28:47

Yeah, there's no statement at all, really, apart from just it's you know, be nice and be excellent to each other. Be excellent to each other, which is a nice one.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

Just being a bit of a breeze through everything that everybody gets in Italy, but at the end of the day is let's all get along. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Did you dig it, Dan? I did. I I I I liked it for different reasons, really. I liked the the the settings, the scenery, I liked the fact that the the culture did ooze through the film. I liked Sophia Loren in it. I must say I thought she was excellent. For 86 years old, I thought, you know, n never mind she was 86 years old. I I thought for, you know, I don't think she was anywhere near that age to be honest, until, you know, I thought sort of late 70s or something, maybe. Thought you could be like on 41 or something. No, she I mean you can see that she's an older lady, but uh I thought she's as you say, screen presence. She's definitely still had the the screen presence. It it didn't have any kind of, you know, overriding theme, as we said. There wasn't anything that you would hang your hat on and say it's a film about this, but it was just around the community, around people, around this little lad who had such a difficult life and that actually could have gone just off the rails if it hadn't been for the people around him, it hadn't it been for people taking who had probably had a shit lives themselves up to some point, but they've kind of all just tried to do a little bit. Even the drug dealer, you said he wasn't that bad a guy, you know. It was just a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

But even his story was a bit about letting him go because, like you say, he could have been so being distanced from him.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

And and then you go and just try and do a little bit better than you otherwise might have. And yeah. So I c I kind of liked it for that. I thought it was it was probably not the kind of film I would I would have seen.

SPEAKER_04 30:34

With really dirty lyrics in it.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Oh, there's a few of them.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

What was what was that about? It was was that just Italian music?

SPEAKER_01 30:40

It's like really filthy because it was all like some of it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

It's a seem like English, like in England there there's maybe when it was but this was all kind of soft and then but the words that were coming up in the the uh the subtitles were like, oh right, okay, make my what and do what now.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Overall, strong recommend. Strong recommend.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

I don't know whose turn it is next week, but it's definitely not mine anymore.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

Okay, well, we're gonna figure that out.

SPEAKER_05 31:13

Uh 12 Angry Men was you.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

It's you. Simon. It's Daniel. If it's not me, it's you. It's Daniel. It's me. Wow. We're in for 12 Angry Men. I was.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

You had sex with 12 Angry Men. I did.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Before that was Pete, actually. Before that was me. So it's yeah, it's Daniel.

SPEAKER_05 31:30

So we look forward to that. All that remains is to say sidey signing out. Reese left the building. Dan's gone.