Holidays & Aftersun

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Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, the podcast that is to a sunny day at the beach as a used syringe is to building sandcastles. This week we're packing our bags for the top five holidays, that annual ritual in which the British spend a year's wages flying to countries they voted to keep the population of out of Britain, only to confirm what they already suspected at home, that they don't like their children and increasingly aren't sure about their wife either. We'll be demanding chips with everything, insisting that everyone speaks our language and enduring more screaming children than a Gaza and border crossing. Lurching from that into our main feature, it's Aftersun, Charlotte Wells' devastating debut in which Paul Mescal and Frankie Corrio play a young father and his daughter on a cheap package holiday in Turkey. It's a film that takes the exact setting we're about to spend minutes mocking, and uses it to deliver a strikingly precise depiction of a parent's hidden depression seen through the eyes of a child who didn't understand what she was watching. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll shortly be commencing our descent into spoiler territory. For your comfort and safety, please ensure your seatbelt is fastened low and tight across your lap. Your dignity is stowed in the overhead locker or under the seat in front of you, and your expectations are set at a level commensurate with the price of the ticket, which is to say absolutely free. In the unlikely event of a sudden loss of interest, please do not attempt to operate the emergency exit. Simply close your eyes and wait for it to end, just as we'll be doing. He's so old he predates the concept of leisure entirely, having been born into a Britain where the only acceptable reason to lie down during daylight was to die of cholera. Well, back in my day they never had passports, you know. There you go. His last fuck was packed in a steamer trunk bound for Rhodesia in 1923 and was never seen again.

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You just let him know you're a British, you'd go anywhere.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that was enough.

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Then there's striking Chris, a man who approaches cinema with the same generous spirit and sophisticated worldview he brings to his Tinder profile, which reads No Fat Chicks. Unless there's a man having his fingers removed one at a time by someone calmly explaining why he deserves it, Chris watches films with the painfully resigned air of a man being euthanized against his wishes by a vet.

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Yeah.

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Slathered head to toe in third place, the man who explained at considerable length that you can't just spray it on, it has to be worked in by hand, ideally by a strange m uh stranger, and who assures me that the bottle clearly says apply liberally to the affected area. It's sidey. Hello. And then there's me, Riggs. Hello. Hello, Riggs. Hi. Hi, Simon. Hi. Holidays. You've just been on holiday. Yeah. That's why I thought of it. It was took me a long time to come up with the concept. A long time. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was fun. It seems like a distant memory now. It really was only holiday drums.

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We've got holiday drums. We're going around July and our flight's been cancelled. What? Yeah. Oh, when after the streets. Yeah. So we can get there, but we can't get back. Well, you're already there, so uh not for recording, but I'm happy for the whole thing to be cancelled.

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Wh w when's the where were you going? Malta.

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We are still going to Malta.

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There's a a f uh lady I work with going to Malta in eight days. Yeah. Yeah, she told me today.

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I believe there's quite a lot of building work going on because they they got ravaged by a storm, didn't they? Oh right. But I think the area that we're going to is okay. But yeah, I'm going so it's with the in-laws and extended in laws. There's nine of us going well. Wow. Family holiday with in-laws.

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Be the worst result ever if it got cancelled. I normally t get really drunk on those holidays. You know, it's all you can do. Yeah, that's not possible. Yeah. You know, you just hunk it down. Is it anyone you'll be able to hunk it down with? Probably just Mallon. Yeah. Yeah. We just get drunk together out. Yeah. Perfect. Okay, because I did a I did a holiday last time.

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My father-in-law's alright, actually. We'll have some beers. Recently.

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You you've just done the family holiday. Yeah. Just the the immediate family holiday.

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I realize I found out today. Because what happens, my brother-in-law will have to one-up you all the time. So if you say blah. That's what mogging is, yeah. Okay. And it's it comes from the term it's from the manosphere. Yeah. A mog. Alpha male of the group. Oh. So the the male, you know. Right. So yeah. So that's why I have to that's the kind of shit I have to put up with when I wear them. Mogging. Yeah. Yeah. Mogging.

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So I could do I can do without that in my life. It's just so cool. It's it's in comes from insecurity. Yeah. Really. It comes from that's why I do it anyway. Who's next on holiday here? When's your next holiday, Chris? Fuck knows. I don't know. It's not you then, I'd take it. Thailand and January.

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Thailand, January. You'll July. July. July, I'm going to streets beside. I don't think that really counts as a holiday, but then we're going to France at the end of August. Yeah, on the trains. Gonna train it around all of France.

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Nice. You got any trips off the rock before then? Anywhere?

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The streets in London. Streets, yeah. Yeah. 17th.

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Because I I go away in Are you mugging us? Is this all right? That's what I'm saying. I'm I'm getting good at it, I know. I'm going away in June to London London Town. Oh, go see your uncle's gaff. I'm going to see my uncle. Yeah, the world. Panama. Panama. The key anal.

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Nice. Okay, cool. Anyone watching anything this week? Wiggs? How about you? I finished off Spider Noir.

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Oh, yeah.

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Strong recommend.

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Yeah, I enjoyed that. I thought it took a little dip in the middle, but generally it's really good fun. Nick Cage is great in it, and the plot is nice and neat and interesting, and it looks a million dollars.

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Sufficiently different and not the visual Spider-Man. Things are gonna go and pan out. Yeah, really enjoyed that. A good recommend, I think.

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Really plays into the noari elements towards the end as well. So they'll do a second series. I don't know. I think it's good to just you've done something, it was good, just I, you know, leave it be crisp.

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But Spider Ham and the robot one from You did do that.

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Do that. Do all those, yeah. Does don't like this was good by an amazing coincidence or whatever, you know, because it could have been fucking awful. Yeah. It was good, so leave it at that and don't do it again.

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Different universes though, that with you know Spider-Man and I think that's got legs in it. Maybe eight. Yeah. I watched Is This Thing On? Which is John Bishop Bradley Cooper directed film. He's in it as well. Yeah, it's John Bishop. Yeah. It is John Bishop.

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Um it's the inspiration of Transported to New York. But it does play out, you know, he said John Bishop, you know, he got left her or whatever, and then was just walking around and saw an open mic night and went in, and that literally is how it started, and then they do that in the film. They'll keep it real like that. Yeah. And he just, you know, goes on stage without a fucking clue about how to do it and just speaks about having the fucking midlife crisis and stuff, yeah.

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About getting a divorce and then about, you know, how his relationship sh shit, it's a ten minute kind of skit and that turns into him getting really addicted to that kind of or really pumped up by that, you know, it gives him a little bit of joy in an otherwise.

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Do they do anything to make Will Arnett look more horse-like?

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No. Nothing.

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No.

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No, it looks really good, isn't it, actually?

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Yeah, I I I I really liked it. I watched it. It's not for somebody who's doing stand-up comedy a hugely funny film, to be honest. It's not got like No, it's not really about that.

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No, it's it's a dramatic film or is it a series? No, it's a film. And where can we see this?

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You can watch it on Disney if you have that Dizzle. Dizzle. So I watched that. Did you enjoy it? I I did enjoy it. I it actually it was one of those films that got me continuing to think about things afterwards. And I like Bradley Cooper and I like the way that he's He plays a kind of stone and a sort of dick, doesn't he? He plays a guy called Balls who's just his mate and he's just a bit of a fuck up and has got no wife just kind of tolerating him. Yeah. Loser. But he he's just one of those characters you know he kind of flips from one side to another. And he directed the film, as well. And he directed the film and I I just thought he he did it, he did w did it well and I enjoyed it, yeah. How about you, Chris?

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I watched two things this week. I'll sorta well which sadly I didn't watch the the main event for this week's, but I didn't have time. I've watched Heat, which made me realize I've never watched Heat. The movie?

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Yeah. Were you not here when we did it? Because you mustn't have been here when you did it.

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Yeah, I didn't do no, it was before my me joining the Or You're Alda or something. Yeah. Oh, it's good, isn't it? Before your kids how good is it? It was good, but I I've only I've got another 45 minutes.

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It's long and it's always So have you got to the show in the street?

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I've got to when they go You must be pretty much on it. They go when they go into the bank. Yes. Okay. Oh, that's exactly when it's about to really kick off. That's where exactly when you're gonna be able to do it.

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You're about to hit a hall of like absolute hall of fame sequence.

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Well that's the thing, and I I I I I'm gonna finish.

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Right, okay.

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I really enjoyed it. And I I'm thinking now that I might do it again in maybe a couple of months' time where I when I kind of know what I'm expecting, I'll finish it and then I'll be like, right, I'm gonna watch it again.

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You could watch that like once a year and enjoy it every time.

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To kind of just see a bit more and yeah, it was really good.

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What if that's the answer for you, Chris? You know, because these longer films are actually good. You watch them half two. Rather than watching two films of an hour and a half that aren't any good, watch one film for three hours but break it into two.

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Which is actually, yeah, which is today and tomorrow. Yeah, I'm probably gonna do that again.

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Like De Niro's keeping it like fairly like pared down, whereas Pacino's going full mega and they cut loads of stuff like he's a cocaine addict, but that you don't see that in the film. Right. It's fairly obvious because he's so fucking like beard. Yes, all right. But there was like great ass.

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You've got all these, yeah, all these up.

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I was kind of asking myself, where are these quotes coming from? Is this a tribute to something, or is he just him being fucking mental? Yeah, it's just him being crazy. When I think of a woman's ass, I just think of a woman's ass. Yes.

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And so he just kind of goes, does it all these things, and you're like, oh you can see how I was comparing Den of Thieves to uh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But also I am disappointed that De Niro's name is Neil. Yeah, yeah, Neil Macaulay. They're doing a sequel to it.

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It's not a hard man's name.

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No, I know what you mean. They're doing a sequel to it, just don't know how that's called it. You are the mastermind of all your I mean this guy you're gonna be. You're all kind of you know I don't know, mathematically brain mastermind, and your name is Neil. Yeah. It's just a bit of a I don't know. Well, it's the name they gave him. Yeah. Yeah, I know. And I've watched another thing which do you know what? I really enjoyed this, and it was it was a bit of a breeze. It's called How to Make a Killing. And Margaret Qually and the absolute chin of Hollywood, Glenn Powell. Glenn Powell, yeah. What a chin on the boy.

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No, Bruce Campbell.

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No, the it's the it's a thing. Glenn's brother. It's it kills all the family, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah, he goes up. Is it kind hearts and coronets? What's the what's the Alec Guinness one? Yeah. Kind Hearts Kind Hearts.

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Yeah, so it's I I really enjoyed it, and it's a it's a really good twist at the end where you kind of see it but you don't. With be i it it's good. I I'm not gonna spoil it too much, but I enjoyed it and it's a it's a good letter.

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So this got Kind Hearts and Coronets? It's the same story It's like sort of similar story. He's gotta kill everybody to get the heritage.

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It starts with him in prison telling a story to the priest, and he's on before his last meal. It's exactly that. And then he kind of goes through on how he's like, you know why I'm here, you know what I've done, let me tell you what I've done, and he goes through basically he's born into the the the daughter of one of the wealthiest people in America has an affair or gets pregnant, and the dad is wh who is Ed Harris, he's like, You need you know what you need to do, not in this house, we're not having that, we're not having a bastard kid. And she gets disowned, lives in New Jersey somewhere, and and then obviously her his mum dies, and he's the sixth or seventh heir to the family fortune, and it just kind of shows how he obviously it's hardly knocks them all off. Yeah, yeah, half it does it. But it's it's it's and and it's funny how Margaret Qually comes in to smoke. Oh my god.

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Um Thingy's daughter, Andy McDowell.

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Yeah, and Dennis Quaid.

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So if you like that quiz. She's great though, isn't it? If you like that movie, watch Kind Hearts and Coronets, what that was based on Alec Guinness. Okay, and one of the fucking smokes with as well. Oh my god, the chin on him.

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It's unbelievable. And she's got a few scenes where I don't know if because I've seen her in the Tarantino thing with Brad Pitt, where she's her feet are up and is like feed content. But in this one, it's quite kind of like that, and she just keeps doing the the move with the legs where you can. Have you seen her in the substance? Yeah, I've seen that, yeah. I know it's like they CGI, but still it's outrageous. So yeah, she's she's kind of the the is she's good in it as well, and it's it's it's a good film. I I enjoyed it. And again, it's I think an hour and forty minutes or something like that. Or an hour and a half. So yeah, so it's like right on it. It's I enjoyed it, I really enjoyed that actually.

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Nice.

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I watched Clarkson's Farm.

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Okay. The episodes of that that dropped, because my daughter's well into that and I quite like it as well. It's good. That was good. So four episodes of that, and I smashed through like another 11 episodes of the pit. Alright. It's fucking excellent. Yeah. Yeah, it's so good. I do hear how good that is.

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Have you seen the there was a thing on I've seen it went on my Instagram feed with the amount of stuff that people steal from Clarkson's pub?

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Yeah, we don't talk about it in the in the thing, in the in the show. He's like, fuck's sake, it's like the light bulbs, every day in the light in the bogs, the light bulbs are gone. It's like 400 pine glasses a week, like all this stuff. Because it's a destination pub and people just want to nick stuff out of there. The thing from the toilets. He said they spend 40 grand a month on parking attendance. Yeah. All this sort of shit. And then it's like, yeah, we're spending. Yeah. But they're making twenty-two million a year on the beer that they make, you know. So it's like, I'll keep crying, you know. Yeah. And you know, we went to the pub and it's not great. It's not it's not they they do a bit where they have they have a Christmas party in there for all their friends and family, and you're like, that's what I wanted it to be like. Not necessarily Christmas, but like just a good pub. Yeah. Where you're in there, you hunker down, you have a load of beers. When you go there as like just a normal punter, you can you can barely find anything to sit. Um we we had like a couple of beers on the terrace, then we're like, let's get the fuck out of it. It's freezing cold. It's just not a great pub experience.

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Yeah, it wasn't surprised with the outside bit that it didn't have heaters.

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You would think it had one or two, and you were like trying to get it.

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Yeah, everyone was kind of ha hanging around the it's a great view, yeah. But because you're on the wrong side on the on the terrace is not on the sunny side, it's at the back of the pub and it's covered because obviously it was dangerous to do it when it's raining or whatever, you can still sit outside. But it was and it's how the wind is howling. It's not obviously we went in November, end of November, but it totally could have been done. Again, this is me crying because I know that's a millionaire. If that would be just a normal pub, that it's a country pub and you end up in it, you'd be like, well, it's alright. This, you know.

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If it wasn't um if it wasn't, you know, something that'd been on telly and it was just a normal pub, it would have been great. You can go inside, sat by the fire, you know, stayed there all afternoon and had a load of pies, but you just couldn't do it. So burbler. But anyway, show's quite. More like a theme pub than a pub. Basically, yes. So that's what I watched. Um shall we talk about holidays? Yeah. Holiday. Top five holidays. It's quite a rich uh topic, yeah, I think.

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Well, it depends on how you interpret it as well, right? True doubt. True.

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We're talking vacations. That is mostly how I chose to interpret it, but like Chris says, there's obviously all sorts of ways.

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There's different ways you could do it. You could use Doc Holiday, couldn't you? You could. You could do, yeah. Is that what you're going with first? Is that your first No, well, it's not hey, you you're the you're the man that's that's bought this party. You kick us off with the first pineapple and cheese.

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I actually don't know a lot about Doc Holiday. Tell us about Doc Holiday.

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Let's not Well Doc Holliday was uh in Tombstone, wasn't he? He was Val Kilmer. Oh yeah, of course.

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He was a real Yes, he was a real outlaw.

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Real person, yeah. Yeah. And he had tuberculosis?

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Yeah, he he had in. Did everyone did anyone have Top Trumps of Cowboys? That's a real Huckleberry. No. It was had like Billy the Kid and all that, and one of them was Doc Holiday, he was quite good. Wyatt Earp was pretty good.

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And he he Val Kilmer was brilliant in Sharpshooting? Yeah.

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Age, because Billy the Kid was shit for that, because he was good at it was like notoriety and something else.

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Right. But yeah, he was he was peak of his powers, Val playing the sharp shooter that was Doc Holiday, and he'd go, Nether Huckleberry.

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And he was one of them that you would think he's actually not there or he's a bit like that, or he was always drunk, or underneath.

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But he would always have a He was quick on the draw.

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The unforgiven, are we talking about?

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No, we're talking about tombstones called.

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It's one of the best Westerns you'll ever see in your life.

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I saw a post by someone, I don't know if it worked on that film, but they were like, listen, people say you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead, but they're like, fuck that. Falcon was a fucking asshole. Oh really? Yeah. So it was a near total fucking dick, like. Yeah, I suppose different films. Someone just had a bad experience with him, I guess.

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I know he went full method in the doors and around the drugs and killed himself? He well, he he took a load of drugs and just kind of walked around the set insisting people call him Jim. You know, it was one of those full full method. But that's a great movie as well. I mean, I'll kill my week.

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We'll have to do that because he The Salt and Sea was another one that was really good. He would do Island Dodge Jamroe again.

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He did the what was the the comic one? Spy Hard, I think it might be. Yeah, Spy Hard. So there was the tunnel and the one with the whole sequences in reverse. Might have been. At the end, he goes, I I miss you most of all, Mr. Scarecrow. And he hadn't been in it the whole time. Yeah, it was it was kind of funny that. But yeah, that wasn't one that I was gonna start the holiday sequence with, but Dark Holiday came to my mind.

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And here we are.

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Over to you, Chris.

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Okay. Oh, I kind of thought uh a little bit differently on on this one with a few of them, not all of them, but just a few of them. Just because the the Valentine's Day is a holiday, at least in America, apparently. And there's obviously the great film that is Valentine's Day, 2010. There's the Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mine, based on Valentine's Day, real good. And obviously the cult classic horror, My Bloody Valentine. Great band. So that's which is uh from 1981. When I wasn't born yet, but that was the slasher movie, that one, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah so there's there's a few of them. I've got a few others, which is the I don't know, the New Year's Eve. There's New Year's Eve in 2011 when Harry met Sally and the apartment are based on on New Year's Eve, and one for because it's coming in a month's time almost to the day, Independence Day, on the 4th of July. Yeah, born on the 4th of July, yeah, and the Sandlot, which I have to say I've never heard of this, but it's it's about the 4th of July, and it's about Independence Day. Well, or based on Independence Day.

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And another one that has a key scene set on 4th of July, Chris, that I was going to talk about next was Jaws. Yeah, Amassy Island.

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Great great intro to that.

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1975, Steven Spielberg, Roy Schneider, Richard Dreyfus, Robert Shaw. Bruce the Shark. Bruce the Shark. Was that his name? The shark. Yeah. Bruce. Yeah, yeah. Did Spielboat turned up at Pub Quiz?

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What the shark hated that name?

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No, Spielberg hated it. They spent a lot of money on the shark and it looked terrible. So part of the movie's mystique and appeal appeal lies in the mystique of you not really seeing the shark until very late in the movie, and that happened because the prop was not very good. So that's Did you see that? He turned Spielbow turned up at Pub Quiz this week?

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No.

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He went to a Steven Spielberg themed pub quiz and was the guest, was the speaker. Wow.

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Yeah. Okay. There was a shark that two people didn't kill on the spot.

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Did you see that thing? The tiger shark. Yeah, yeah. No, there's one in the Mediterranean. That one.

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No, there's one on Griff Desert. Oh, right. Yeah. Four four meter long tiger shot washed up on the beach. I don't think it was a tiger shot. It was a tiger shock. There's a carrier's lot. Four metres. Somebody I then. When it first washed up, it was still alive and I couldn't revive it and eventually it went off like washed up again. Yeah, it was a tiger shop. I'll show you the photo of it left it from the fisheries. I didn't know there was a tiger shop.

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So can we have some some of it? Soup, something?

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Sharp fin soup.

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So there's loads of people. Well the mayor won't close it down, will he? Yeah, and Roy Schneider's telling him he has to, but then you get that awesome dolly zoom shot as he's in the deck chair as the the attack happens.

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And that fucking old hag who looks way too old to have a tiny little kid slaps him around the face. I don't think it was Roy Schneider's fault. No. But she's grieving, I suppose. Yeah flares. Everyone's favourite sex pest turn Christian Trump Grifter Russell Brand was forgetting Sarah Marshall, yeah. With Jason Siegel and Jonah Hill. I was thinking of Kirsten West. Oh yes, the romantic lead. The well, yeah. They are they go away on their I want to say it's to Hawaii, but I can't actually remember the destination. It's something like that. And then yeah, this is when Russell Brand was still popular.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

She used to basically she went out with him, didn't she? And he's now a big successful rock star with his Jonah Hill's his personal assistant.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Yeah, that's right. Jonah Hill was in it, yeah. And then but then all the at the start, Jason Siegel was just doing stuff on his own in his room and it was quite funny. He was doing like you show not passed.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

Yeah. He's completely bollock naked in that film. You see his cock.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Yeah. This is part of why it sticks in my memory.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Yeah, I like that. Yeah. I actually way funnier than I like. It was one of those where I the title put me off anyway. And then, you know, you think fucking Russell Brand, even before I knew what kind of he is like now.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

Well I used to really like him when he was when he had his radio BBC Radio 2 show, The Evenings. And that's when he actually started to become a real well obviously there was stuff before that, but he did the the phone call with Andrew Sachs when it and that was on BBC Radio's his show. That's when it all started to get a bit pitong when he just couldn't even control that. But yeah, I I I did enjoy that film as well.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

It was way funnier than it had any right to be.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Yeah, well it was Judd Apatow as well, wasn't it? Yes. Good track record of making it was part of that that sweet spot.

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Did you ever see the United States versus Billy Holiday? No. No, so Billy Holiday, Lady Day, as she known the jazz singer. Yeah. And it it was a movie, I think it was Academy Award nominated, with Andrea Day, who is an actor actor. And she meets with a radio journalist, because I really think you know Billy Holiday's amazing. I've I've got a load of her vinyl kind of records and things. And she did Strange Fruits, which was a song about human rights, which really rubbed people up the wrong way because it was basically about people getting lynched and hung. You know, that was a strange fruit. Like, you know, hanged, hung, hung, hanged. And and this movie was about that, and kind of, you know, a uh they arrest her and uh and put her into into jail. I think she ended up like being a drug addict and and kind of kind of tough, tough heroin-ish. Yeah, really about that. I read a book about that, actually. But yeah, it it's you know, her her voice is second to none. And the performance was absolutely amazing. I thought she actually had a a good shot of winning the Academy Award. I'm not sure what year it might have been around 2020, 2021. I've seen it, it's good. Yeah, it's you know, less vacation holiday, more name of the person holiday. Yeah, no, so I understood. Okay, too. Oh, did you get that? Yeah, I did.

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Yeah, I did, thank you.

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The holiday might have got but yeah, it it was, you know, she I think she she died after either drugs or alcohol. It was one of those. But she was absolutely amazing, and that would be another strong holiday choice for me. That's two. Two I've done. I'm just one upping you, I'm moging you all.

SPEAKER_06 25:34

Well, you have to know. Is it me? Yeah, has to say something. Well, I'm going to say I've about a film. Uh I'm going back in time when I was one year old in 1986. Mick Dundee travels to New York. Oh. What a film. Yeah. He is on holiday/slash vacation, depending on where you're from. He gets an invitation from an American journalist, yeah. And he goes out of the Australian bat Australian outback for the first time in his life to experience life in the big city.

unknown 26:06

Right.

SPEAKER_06 26:06

And it's obviously followed by a couple of them, Crocodile Dundee 2, and then Crocodile Dundee in Los Angeles in 2001, which is him and his son go to California, which I think is also a little bit to do with their own their own vacation. But that's that's a great film for me. I I remember watching it when I was a kid. Classic.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

It's like perfect movie. Yeah. So good. I love Crocodile Dundee too, as well. Fucking great. But the first one takes Rico back to the Outback.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Which is the one where they're in the on the subway and he has to get a message across. That's the first one.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

Yeah, when he goes to New York, yeah. He loves uh But the second the second one has been Rico the Colombian gets him out and does him with his own Aboriginal ways. Yes, that's right. He had super aggressive tax avoidance, Paul Hogan. Really? Hulk's brother. And yeah, I think it was all in jail time. He yeah, he got done. He I think he did jail time. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 27:06

Wow, okay. This is my money, you're not touching my money. Yeah. I mean, fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

Yeah, he went full uh Lauren Hill. Yeah. Yeah. Wednesday snipes, yeah. Yeah. Well, look what happened to them. Exactly. Went black.

SPEAKER_06 27:17

But I I think I I can say that's a good shout. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

In season two or three, I haven't got the exact one, of the Sopranos. It is the episode Commendatory. It was written by the Sopranos principal writer David Chase, and it's the one where Tony goes off to Naples with Paulie and Chrissy tagging along. He's going there principally to do business, but he ends up falling in love with the very beautiful daughter of the mobs. Or in fact, she runs the place. But the the main, you know, that's the sort of there's sort of two plots, which is him sort of falling in love with this mob boss, but there's also Chrissy and Paulie desperate to connect with their culture in Italy, and I think it's really standout some of the scenes. Paulie is just totally, you know, horrified by it. He can't talk the language, the locals don't connect with him at all, he doesn't like the food. When he has pasta, he's like, Where's the ketchup? You know, it's nothing more, you know, like dispiriting than the shot of him in a in Naples sitting in a McDonald's eating burger, looking really sad at the, you know, because they've talked about how amazing he's trying to connect with their heritage will be. Chris, he doesn't have a lot of luck either. He's trying to go clean, but meets one of Kamura, I think her name is, one of her underlings has got a load of heroin, so he just spends the week getting fucked on junk in his hotel room with these two guys, and then goes back on the plane with Tony, who's had this sort of life-changing experience as he does pretty much every episode with a woman. But it was a great episode, Commendatory.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

Yeah. What about some musical numbers? Yes. Madonna sings a song about holiday. I can't remember what it's called. Which I always thought was weird because Americans would normally say vacation. Yeah. It doesn't work.

SPEAKER_06 28:58

Well, she's she's English, no? No. Oh, she's American.

SPEAKER_03 29:01

Madonna Chicone. Sisoni, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:03

Italian, okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

And then you've got Pop Tropicana by Wham. We all love that. Yeah. I know you're a big fan of Drinks are free there, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah. Go and Dribetho, you've just been with the Venga Boys. Yeah. Did d yeah, we sang that a lot. So we we have month end drinks at work in the I let's say Kitchen.

SPEAKER_04 29:23

Every Friday. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

And the boss has got a massive, like fucking massive speaker, it's a bit like the start of Back to the Future. And sometimes the Bluetooth bit hooky on it, and one of the girls that really likes the Venga Boys have queued up the Venga Boys and amazing. But couldn't get it to work. But she turned the volume right up and then all of a sudden it just fucking blum blah blah and it was fun. The whole less like shadows outside the boys going off. So those are good. I guess the Beach Boys are kind of in like an eternal kind of holiday sort of vibe to them.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

That that links seamlessly on to my next one, which I actually watched. It was one of those things that I watched this week and I'd forgotten to tell you all about The Endless Summer. I don't know if you've ever seen that film. It's it's like 1960s, 1950s surf film. Oh, and yes, like Big Wednesday. It's absolutely terrific, let's say. It's around a true story, a documentary type film of these two guys from America who wanna endless summer. They they've been surfing in the waves in California, and they right, they're gonna go to all these different places around Africa and everything. And it's shot really kind of, you know, well, but old style cameras and everything, and Super 8 kind of stuff. And they're going surfing, they're meeting the locals, there it's really beautifully done, and it's they're going into like as I say, sort of places that nobody was going in in those days, and going on adventures and walks over sand dunes to get to waves, and and there was just like locals there that had never seen anybody surfing before. The world was a lot bigger then. And the world was a hell of a lot bigger, and they were just having such fun, it was such innocent, great fun, and they were going out and spent they went to Senegal and they went to sort of Hawaii and and went to the Caribbean Islands and went to all these different places. And it was fantastic, actually, a really classic, it's got a cult following. It allowed a lot of people, and it changed it's one of those films that changed lives, you know. So it's one of those films that actually made a difference because after people watching it, they went travelling as well. They went and did the same, and it started off. They went for their own endless summer, didn't it? Yeah, they it went off for their own endless summer and they went for the this surf culture, which is still running today, and people will go, you know, surfers will find the cheapest digs and they'll stay in like the most far off remote places as long as there's a wave there. They'll be happy, yeah. And I've always found there'd be brilliant travellers, actually, surfers when they're popped up in places in Indonesia, and you think there's no one, you think there's a wave. Jeez, actually, there's a couple of horse. There's a wave, there's a surfer. There's a surfer, exactly. That was a really good film I watched this this week as well. Endless Summer.

SPEAKER_06 32:23

Nice. Yeah. Is it me again?

SPEAKER_02 32:26

It's you, Christian.

SPEAKER_06 32:27

Well, I've got a film that I know you love, especially Riggs, and it's starts on uh St. Pathys Day is the Bondock Saints. I know you love this one, and it's also the horror flick Leprechaun.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Yeah, classic leprecorn for Leprecorn in Space is probably the best.

SPEAKER_06 32:41

I've not seen any of them, but that is a a good one, I I would say. And I'm gonna say uh Christmas, we all know Christmas, it's a wonderful life, home alone, blah blah blah blah blah. Thanksgiving. Home planes, trains, and automobiles. Well, the movie Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

The movie Thanksgiving. You seen that one? Eli Roth? Oh, it's good. It's about a bunch of people get killed on Black Friday. Nice, literally stampeded to death because they're trying to grab a ticket.

SPEAKER_06 33:06

Oh yes, I've seen oh well, not seen it all, but I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When there's somebody up, yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

It's a brilliant opening.

SPEAKER_06 33:13

Uh and Halloween, Halloween the film, hocus pocus, trick-or-treat, all that kind of stuff. And I'm going to say another classic in 1984, Axel Foley travels to California in disguise that he's on holiday.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

Like a busman's holiday.

SPEAKER_06 33:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:33

And he actually is not on holiday. He just wants to investigate his friend's murder. Hill's cog. Yes. He wants to investigate his friends. You see the new one? No. I've not seen the new one actually. I'm a bit disappointed with myself because I I enjoyed the the franchise. I thought it was quite good. Yeah. But I don't see the new one. Mostly because I find new Eddie Murphy quite censored. He's aged well though. Oh yeah, he looks amazing. But he's not. I don't know, he's not as as funny. I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

I was in such a lot of flack for it. Like Raw was really funny at the time. It's all about AIDS and gays. Yeah, and and and it was very funny at the time. People laughed at it. I that's definitely true because I was what a but it's aged really badly the humour. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

So I I was at CrossFit this morning and um they always have like they've just gone to your gym, put tunes on, and whatever this fucking mix was. I I was listening to it and I just fucking knew that no one else in there had a clue that it was Eddie Murphy. Michael, what's you say? I saw the DJ was like making it more of a banger, and I was like, no one fucking knows it.

SPEAKER_06 34:47

Well, is it him and Rick James, or is it just him?

SPEAKER_03 34:50

He looks, he does himself up to look a bit like Rick James. Yeah, he does, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:54

Well, apparently just sorry to cut into this, but apparently there is a the story that him and Rick James were best mates, and Eddie Murphy's brother apparently got slapped and by Rick James at the VIP room at Studio 54, and then Eddie Murphy had Rick James kicked out because he's like, you don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

Didn't he also get pulled over with a tranny prostitute in his car? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_05 35:19

Who hasn't done that? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

I've got some holiday-themed films, actors, directors, you think Sunburn After Reading, Flight Club, Coastbusters, The Towling Inferno, Pack to the Future, and The Package Holiday of the Christ, that's terrible. Ryanair Gosling would obviously star in it, along with Helena Bonham, Charterjet, EasyJet Lee, Factor 50 Cent, and Tom Luxury Cruise Liner. Really bad. And they'd be directed, of course, by Wes Sanderson and Martin Shawsazy. Yeah. But for a movie, let's have Itumama Tambian. Oh, yeah. Seen that one? Yeah. Classic Alfonso Quaron, who went on to do lots of great movies. The Revenant, Gravity, etc. etc. And it's starring Gail Garcia Bernal, Diego Luna, who went on to be in the Star Wars films, and the very sexy Maribel.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

They have a threesome at the end.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

Maribel Verdue. They do have a threesome at the end, and at some point you see Diego Luna jerking off into a swimming pool and he comes in it, which is pretty horny. They basically they're on a they're on a road trip across Mexico, these two teenagers, and they try and get this like 30-year-old woman that they met at a wedding with her. And they do, and it's sort of it's kind of sexy. It's about their burgeoning sexuality, and they both get off with her at different points. One of them fucks her, and then they kind of get off with each other, and they all get go together, have a threesome and stuff, but then actually it becomes sort of deeply melancholy and very tragic when you start thinking about why this 30-year-old woman would really be on this trip, road trip with these two teenagers, and it pans out all very sad, of course. Sidey?

SPEAKER_03 36:56

Some horror y ones. Yes. Wicker Man? Yeah. It's not really a holiday, but he does sort of travel over to an island and ends up in a wicker effigy, burned to death. Midsummer. Yeah. We all enjoyed that. That still gives me the horrors.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

He's got to do hereditary before this podcast finishes. I keep toying with idea like nominating it. Oh, please do. Because I've nearly pulled the trigger a million times, but I don't want to be the one Is that something to do with it? It's the guy who wrote it.

SPEAKER_03 37:22

This is not like this is not like Abigail where you're like, oh I don't know. This is like out and out terrible.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

This is the kind of thing that's a year later and you still wake up sweating in the night. It still has a scene in it that I would think I I still think about. But it's so powerful. When you come.

SPEAKER_04 37:36

Yeah, when you while you're trying to associate yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

And the shining.

unknown 37:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

The shining. Yeah, I mean you just start chilling hostel for a while. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

Well, this is another New Year's Eve one, isn't it, really, as well. Because there's a bit of New Year's Eve stuff going on in The Shining, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 37:52

There's parties going on, it's just got a good holiday vibes. After that, I think I'll just nominate.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Okay, well, if if I was gonna mention uh give a few honourable mentions, I would say in Bruges, yes, where they the hitmen go on holiday because they've done a lot of job. They've done a whip two, they need to get out of town. And they need to get out of town, they're told to go on holiday. And Brendan Gleason, isn't it? Yeah, it is, and we've Colin Farrell. Colin Farage.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

Out with Colin on Friday, weren't we? And yeah, Chris, we were out with Colin on Friday, weren't we?

SPEAKER_06 38:20

Yeah, I was. We were, yeah, we were with Colin, yeah. Megan's dog is called Colin.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

Lost in translation, it's it's a bit of uh working a working holiday for Bill Murray, but holiday romance, sort of. There's a holiday romance going on there. But I I've got my nom as well. If I should go now. Go now. Um for ages. It is that Gary Lineker film Before Sunrise, which isn't Gary Lineker. It's ri Richard Lincoln. Ethan Store. It's with Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy. I nominated this maybe more than any other film that I've nominated in our top fives. I've certainly given it a honourable mention. A young man and a woman meet on a train in Europe and wind up spending a a night together after their kind of holidays have collided in Vienna. They know that it'll probably be their only night together because they're not able to stay longer than that for various reasons, but they promise to meet back in a year right at the end of the film. And whether that happens or not, you'd have to watch the other two or three films to understand. But I remember coming into this film a little bit like we'd said earlier for our midweeker, where you come into a film and you know nothing about it, it's just something you turn on, and maybe it's already started after 20-30 seconds, five minutes, you're not sure, but it just kind of sucks you in. And we talked about Abigail being part of one of those films. If you know nothing about it, it's probably you're gonna enjoy it more. Whereas this is totally different film to Abigail, but it was just one of those films I knew nothing about and totally got enraptured by. And that would be my knob.

SPEAKER_06 40:12

Nice. I'm gonna give a shout-out to a film that I really really liked, Message from the King, it's a film from 2016 directed by Fabrice Du Welt, and it's got Simon Cornwell and stars Chadwick Bozeman, Luke Evans, and Theresa Palmer. Chadwick Boseman is a South African cop, which we find towards the end. And he once he kinda loses his connection with his sister who lives in Los Angeles, he flies into Los Angeles for th he's only got three days, and he's on holiday when they have to put the visa on and uh what you know, purpose of a visit, whatever. It's like I'm on holiday, what with six hundred dollars and uh three-day accommodation, he's like, Yeah, yeah, I'm just here to visit a little bit and whatever, and they're like, Okay, that's a bit of a short trip to LA for three days, but fine. And he basically turns into taken, but it turns out the his sister is dead and he just gets revenge on uh a hundred people kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

So when I went to LA and we I eventually got through immigration, that took fucking ages, and when we got in the cab, and the guy was like, Yeah, take us to fucking wherever the hotel was, I can't remember. And the guy's oh so how long are you guys here for? I'm like, a week, he's like, Why? It's three days like literally all you need.

SPEAKER_06 41:32

Well, okay, I well I don't know. That's just a film. I I've never been to LA, so I don't know. But but that's the film, and I honestly I really really enjoyed this. It's kind of kind of action-y, and he's he he's like a cop, but he's and there's obviously police involved, and why are you here? Oh, are you police? So no no, I'm just here, I'm just a message from the king. Message from the king, oh because his his surname is something king, and he's from South Africa, which he he's from a cop in Cape Town, which we've all heard about stories of Cape Town and how dangerous how dangerous it can be. But my norm movie is a film called The Talented Mr. Ripley, yeah, where Dickie Greenleaf leaves a lives a perpetual holiday.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

Yeah. At the expense of Jude Law's character, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_06 42:20

Yeah. So what is it called? Tom is sent to bring back Dickie to to reality, really. Yeah. So that kind of it is a holiday which this guy lives, so I thought that would be a nice nice way to nom, I guess. Nom it.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

I got a couple of honourable mentions. One is Alexander Payne Sideways, poor Giamatti and Thomas Hayden Church. Giamatti's a failed novelist, and Thomas Hayden Church looking for one last fling before his getting married. Very funny. I have also got the White Lotus TV series. Seasons one, two, and three, four set in Hawaii, the second in Sicily, and the third in Thailand. All absolutely brilliant, must-see TV. Mostly about how spending lots of money going on holidays will not make you feel happy and fulfilled, amongst other things. And what I strongly disagree. And my nomination is going to be Call Me by Your Name. We did it for the pod. It was Luca Guadagno. The Cannibals. Yes. Timothy Chalamet and Army Hammer. Timothy Chalamet is spending a summer in Tuscany and discovering a little bit about his Jewish identity and his homosexuality. I mean he ends up coming in a peach, which we've all done.

SPEAKER_06 43:42

It happens quite frequently, really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

But I really liked that movie, I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

Cool. Super Mario Sunshine. Okay. Mario goes on holiday to the Isle Delfino and that all goes. A lot of Super Mario Sunshine gets completely peaked home. Little Miss Sunshine, they go on a kind of road trip holidays to get her to the beauty pageant, which also Logo is completely peat tong.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

And he got the word sunshine in there as well.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

Yeah. National Lampoons Vacation. Brilliant. Yeah. Everyone's favourite fucking total arsehole, and I think complete racist. Chevy Chevy Shaseh. Chevy Shesh. Yeah, it's a total dick, apparently. Yeah. Yeah, not really.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

The cars are also good in that. The film is brilliant. That first one, 1985, where they go to Wally World.

SPEAKER_03 44:22

Yeah. And also in between his movie and Kevin and Perry Go Large. I was doing Do you remember the dance that he does?

SPEAKER_00 44:29

I was doing it on holiday because they had the song come on. It's that sort of weird skipping dance that he does.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

But my norm is going to be, I think it's a Christmas special.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

They say I'm a bit like Will for Winterfish. Do you know that?

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Who says that?

SPEAKER_00 44:43

You.

SPEAKER_06 44:45

Why are you smacking you, Cunt? Which one of them is Will? The one with the shit hair.

SPEAKER_07 44:51

I don't know. The one with the briefcase. I know. I know why you went there.

SPEAKER_05 44:58

Yeah. Yeah. No. Okay, thanks. That's an insult, no.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

It's an insult to Will. You know, it's an insult.

SPEAKER_06 45:04

Go back to shit hair, what we're now thinking about it, none of them has great hair, really. That guy probably has the best hair. If I'm the rest of it is not that good. Strong hair. Strong hair. The rest of him is not that good, but it's hair.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

My norm, I think it's a I think it's a Christmas special of Only Frozen Horses, where they go to Miami and Delboy gets mistaken for a guy who's like a mafia head of head of prime boss. I think it has the scene when he gets stuck on the jet ski and just gets out to stay.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

I was thinking of Rodney when they go on the holiday.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

That's also amazing. He has to go to the kids' club. What's the kids club called? It comes back and he's got a skateboard in it.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

I came jacking in a skateboard. What went wrong? You're winning.

SPEAKER_03 45:49

That one, actually, that one, they they win the lottery. Yeah. But they had to fuck it up. Yeah, Rodney has the one who's got the ticket and they can't give it to an underage. That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

And the the other one they've got um the busman's holiday when he he goes out on the is one of the early ones, you know, and they go out on the bus. You remember that one? Yeah. Yeah, I mean so.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

The Miami one's there's obviously two Dell Boys, one's the Mafia Crime Boss, and then this Daleboy, and he he actually ends up doing like the full Miami Vice thing with the suit. Yeah, he gets on the jet ski and gets stuck out to sea and all that stuff. It's fucking brilliant. Really, really strong.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

They need to put all them out again. And I know those characters you need to have invested in like we did when we were kids, and we watched like, you know, episode after episode after episode to get to those Christmas specials when you would literally just cry laughing because maybe just seeing them on their own, you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

It'd be an event you'd wait for it. But you know, you have the series and you'd well, there's gonna be another one at Christmas, it's gonna be like a long episode. Yeah, a long episode.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

Yeah, because you were so invested in the character, they were literally, you know, they'd make you cry, they'd make you laugh, all the rest of it. If you watch them just in a one-off, maybe they wouldn't like uh watch them with the kids, like you know, it's that's because they're shit though, isn't it? Let's be honest. You didn't like it when we do it because pod you weren't into it, but rest was the taste are really. Yeah, good stuff. So we need one more vacation.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

Yeah, give us your holiday. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

We're talking about the movie After Sun. Yes. You can watch this on iPlayer. BBC iPlayer, yeah, it's currently on.

SPEAKER_02 47:36

Do like an iPlayer movie. They normally pick very well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

Well, spoiler alert, they did. This is Charlotte Wells' feature debut.

SPEAKER_03 47:50

My sister-in-law is called Charlotte Wells.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

There you go. I don't know. It's a sort of autobiography or an emotional autobiography as she describes it. And her father, for the record, did not take his own life, but she was inspired to write this film.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

Is that definitively what like real spoiler? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

I would say it's my interpretation of what you mean. It's not explicit.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

It's not explicit, but there's lots of clues and breadcrumbs and very But you don't see that happening in any any part of the film, it's just kind of face to black kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

Yeah. So structurally, it's sort of pretty simple, and there aren't really chapters or much of a plot. It really is a as a through line. Like a holiday film. It is, yeah. It opens with flashbacks. Well, it's it's actually it's it's it's actually her as an adult, Sophie as an adult, watching Camcorder footage of the holiday that she took when she was eleven with her father Callum to Turkey. And in the film that we see, she asks her father, it's his birthday in a couple of days, what does he think he'll be doing when he's 31? And he's doing his Tai Chi and all that sort of stuff. And he tells her to turn the camera off and the footage freezes, and then we briefly cut to a rave with flashing back to it, it will continually flash back to this rave of the adult Sophie standing in a rave at first, looking across the dance floor at someone who we don't know. And then after that, it's an impression of a holiday, really. So they arrive, they get on a tour bus, don't they? Yeah, it's one of those holidays where you've got a rep, yeah, the front of the bus. She's talking about Torumelina's and la they're laughing at her. And it's you know, the shots are very much from a child's perspective as she looks out of the bus windows at the sort of signs going past and and all of that stuff. And he they go to the ho hotel to check in. He's instantly a bit sort of embarrassed because the room doesn't have two beds like he was promised, it only has a small single, and she's knackered, so the girl goes to bed, he sleeps on the floor next to her. But we see like in this shot a bit of an establishing of the sort of main themes, which is how much he really loves her. Yeah, at first I was like, oh, is he gonna do something like really erratic, like going No, not he just tucks her in. He really tucks her in, you know, genuine warmth, and we've seen that in their relationship, and then he goes out on the balcony to smoke because he hides that from her. It's the first of many things that he hides. So and we only hear her breathing in the dark, and we can see him like in the background smoking.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

So after that he doesn't want to smoke in front of her. Yeah, I I take it like that he he knows smoking's bad, he doesn't want to set a bad example. Exactly. So he he hides that.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

And he's very young, remember, this guy is 31 and he's got an 11-year-old daughter. So we can already draw a lot of inferences, like he's mixed up, but he hasn't fair. There's no wife around, he hasn't. And they're amicably spit up because we all hear from them. Never cool, do they? Never cool, yeah. So yeah, now it's just like a series of vignettes. Sophie, the girl, meets a guy called Michael in a in a arcade. Yeah. I think it's pronounced vinegates. Yes, I think you're right. She befriends or sort of attaches herself to a group of teenagers. There's there's some younger kids there, and Callum's like, Oh, why don't you go and play with them? And she's like, Why don't you go and talk to the dad? Like they're just kids, they're rubbish. But she sees this group of sort of beer drinking, kissing teenagers, and it's sort of part of her. She's starting to grow up and just start to understand the world. That's you know, pretty clear too. They go they go and play pool, don't they? And the teenagers come across, that's when they really meet them for the first time. And they think Callum is her brother because he's so young looking, and he's like, No, I'm her dad, and then she chooses to spend her time not with him but with the teenagers for a bit as well.

SPEAKER_03 51:53

Which is Yeah, one of the teenagers gets some drinks. She's got the yellow wristband, and it's one of the first moments we realize he hasn't got much cash. Like, you know, they're there on an all-inclusive, and then and him and his daughter are not. And there's a few bits now where they sort of show you that you you're struggling, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 52:13

Yeah, well, there's they they go scuba diving and it's not clear at first, but Sophie drops the mask. She loses the mask, yeah. And Callum is a bit off with her, presumably because it was very expensive. Yeah. And she's sort of emotion. She actually has to be emotion, she's like the adult, really, to sort of talk him round and to get him to come out of his shell, really, that he's gone into. And that's also when you sort of get hints at his depression, he's talking to the guy on the boat, and the guy's explaining his life, and he's just had a young daughter, he's nearly in his forties now. He's like, I think I'll lost it. And he's like, I'll never get to forty.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

And it it is, you know, it's not a happy kind of film in the sense that these themes like coming through, like the the mask that's dropped and and understanding that they're on a poorer kind of level of of holiday.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

There's that that kind of I didn't initially that didn't really it just sort of showed that there was a difference between she didn't quite fit in with these ones. She's a little bit younger and also there that but I never went on all inclusive holiday. It never bothered me. Do you know what I mean? No, there wasn't. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

No, I mean it it is uh and just becoming aware of it that there are differences because they sneak into the nice place where these kids are. They're not supposed to actually be there. Their place is a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

That's all part of the adventure when you're a little kid as well. But from the dad's point of view, you know, he's like he's embarrassed.

SPEAKER_00 53:35

I mean, they they make light of it, but you because one night they they do a runner at dinner and that sort of thing. But obviously he's embarrassed. Yeah, the wimpy run. And later he will go shopping for what is clearly a very expensive rug that he can't, you know, when he's told the price, he balks at it and he doesn't do it, but he'll later go back for it.

SPEAKER_03 53:55

How the fuck's he getting that home?

SPEAKER_02 53:56

But yeah, but i he he kinda wants to leave something for her, maybe, or you know, like something that's got some value, you know.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

Well, and also as we flash forward to Sophie in the future watching these videos, we'll see that rug on the floor as and know that it came from him. And she's So really the movie is about her trying to piece together what happened on this holiday as she sits and watches video footage, and and the movie is very like clear about showing you that this is a lot taken from the child's perspective that some things are maybe not fully understood, or some things that you're seeing maybe didn't happen exactly the way that they are, because it's a child telling a story.

SPEAKER_02 54:35

But there there are those recollections of of a kid that kind of shape their ideas of of family. I mean, I I just think back on my family holidays, and you know, you don't know any better. You know, we went on lots of holidays. We were very, very lucky to to go on holidays, but when we went on them, we were looking for we used to get a a car from the airport and we would go to maybe four or five different hotels looking for the best discount for the for the hotels because my dad would, you know, he was taking four of us away to Brazil or somewhere, like, you know, in the 19 early 90s or late 80s, and um he he worked for the airline, so we would go into and it was a game to us, like you know, he'd go, what do we get? He'd go, he'd go, eighty he would say it's it's 20% off. And we go, has it got a pool? And he'd go, yeah. And he goes, but not enough. So we'd go off to the next place, like you know, and he'd go, it's 25% off. Has it got a pool? And he'd go, yeah, but it's not enough. You know, so we we'd end up going and he'd go, it's it's got a pool, and he'd go, yeah, and he'd go, and it's 60% off. We're in. You know, and then we'd all we'd all pile in there. But those those kind of situations, I mean, we didn't think anything else of it at the time, right? We don't know anything better, right? So that's that's your that's your reality. That was our our reality and things, and we'd be, you know, saying it's some lovely hotels with with kind of people that didn't need that discount, you know, or we would be in in places that we couldn't get the discount, so we're in like lesser hotels and it had Mopal. And we were like, what are we doing here? But yeah, it's just from that child's point of view, it was it was interesting to me.

SPEAKER_03 56:33

In the film doesn't pick up on that side of it. It's only the the older Sophie looking back, yeah, figuring it all out.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

Well, she is beginning to understand though, because there are a few things that she says, we'll come on to him. But we next the next scene is is basically a repeat of the opening scene, but from the perspective of when it was actually recorded. So we see that Camcorder footage and he tells her to put it down, and then the rest of the scene is almost done with his face just reflected in the TV screen. With the red lights on. There's like some Tai Chi books and some mindfulness stuff, so we can see, and we've seen him practicing Tai Chi in the morning, she calls it his ninja moves. So he's obviously reading self-help, he's doing Tai Chi to try and fix his mental health. And he'll talk about a little bit about his own childhood. He'll she'll say to him, What did you get on your 11th birthday? It's just been hers. And he says, Oh, well, like no one really remembered. And then when my mum. It's terrible. When my mum remembered, she sent she shouted and hit my dad and sent him to the toy shop to go and get me something. I got a phone. So obviously he's seeking to connect with people. And after that, what else have we got? Oh, he's got a plaster cast that he's been wearing on his. Well, he dives in he's they take a photo underwater. I'm like, well, that's not going to work with a cast. But then the next sequence is him trying to cut it off. And again, you'll get that thing because it's a split screen, the girl on the left side talking about the book that she's reading, and on the right side, the dad in the bathroom cutting the cast off, and he cuts his arm quite badly and it bleeds everywhere, but he doesn't tell her. So again, hiding stuff from her as it's going on.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

All done from a place of caring and and love.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

Doesn't want to worry her and doesn't want to she's eleven. Well, he he was struggling with his own demons, I think, a lot of the time. And that's when she talks to him later about she likes to look up at the sun when he's not around and think, you know, that's it. Aren't we lucky to aren't we lucky to share the same sky sort of thing, which will make it all the more poignant later when they don't. And then she talks afterwards, they've had this great day, but she comes back to the hotel and you can see how worried Callum's face is as she talks about what a great day it was, but still feeling tired, like you're sinking, she says, and basically listening to eleven-year-old describe the early symptoms of depression, basically. And he's worried that he's passed that on to her. So that's where he spits on the mirror. It wasn't clear to me whether it was like a revulsion, self-revolting type thing or not. Anyway, they go on to sing karaoke, losing my religion, she sets them up for, which they've apparently done on every holiday, but Callum is sort of a bit mired in his depression and doesn't join her, and she sings really tunelessly. Yeah, it goes on and I'm like, make a stop. But the lyrics are also quite relevant to what's going on as well, so that's it's really cruel, really, this scene.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

Have you ever done karaoke on holiday and been as No No. I I I did I did What did you sing? Trick It to Ride from the the Beatles, and yeah, it was I I got asked to sing again and to write the wrongs of the first attempt. But no, like somebody actually enjoyed it and and asked me to sing again this this old lady, and actually it was her son who was told by the mother to come and ask me to sing again, and then I did another Beatles song, I can't remember what it was, but it was fucking awful, and they never made me do it again. Like as bad as that one, like tuneless, just really, really bad. Like I'd had too much to drink by that stage and it gone. But I'll forever remember that that cringy moment.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

So at the end of the losing my religion thing, he offers her singing lessons, and she says, Well, don't offer things that you can't afford to pay for. Stop doing that, she says. Yeah, and they both are really like he's really wounded by that, and they actually go their own separate ways. He goes off back to buy he picks up a fag off the floor, he's smoking cigarettes from the floor, and then he walks off into the sea, which is you've ever seen a film, you know, is shorthand for somebody who's gonna kill themselves, really, isn't it? While she goes off, I've got more home. It doesn't come back. Yeah. It doesn't, no, I know, so very suggestive. And then she goes off to do her own thing, which is mostly she's seen these teenagers kissing, and she's heard one of them's given the other one a hand job, and she's been very interested in this. So she goes and meets Fat Michael from the arcade and goes and has her first kiss with him. Yeah. But we've already seen in the future that she's got a baby and is in a same-sex relationship, and after she has her first kiss, she does actually spy the two teenage boys kissing each other, which I think is probably just opening her eyes to the fact that possibilities, of course. Oh, right. That's a thing that you can do as well. Eventually she goes back to the room really late, she can't get in, so she goes and sleeps downstairs in the hotel lobby until the night porter comes along to let her in the room. And when she goes in, Callum's asleep completely bollock naked on the bed, and in a sort of echo of the first scene of the film, she puts the blanket over him and he's in there. So now then towards the right, towards the end of the trip, it's nearly his birthday. They they apologize after the karaoke disaster, and they sort of make up and they go to this mud pit place, and then some kind of like amphitheatre or something, and she gets the other guests that are there to sing for he's a jolly good fellow to him as he's stood at the top, and it's just pure pain on his face, like he does just doesn't want to hear it, you know, there's no positive emotions there, and then the next shot of just him crying on his bed. It's like properly howling, yeah, absolutely sobbing because he does not believe he is a jolly good fellow, I guess. He's got a postcard to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:14

Yeah. Saying it says, I love you very much. Don't forget that I always love you or something. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

So the last bit is the final No, no laughs at all. Final night, it's another dance night. Yeah, they're dancing to Under Pressure by Queen, which was actually a placeholder for the music until they realised that it like worked perfectly. And it then this scene of them dancing at the at the end of the holiday is sort of cut against the scenes of her in the future at the rave, and it's been made clear what she's been doing is trying to get to her father that she's seen across the dance floor. Not literally this, but she's trying to get through the crowded dance floor to see her father that you can only ever see in strobe lights. I think it's sort of saying that she only ever got an impression of him, not the real, because he died when she was so lucky young. And then they they get offered a photo and he pays for it straight away, which is the only time that he does do that, which shows you again what his mental state might be in. Got no fucks left to give. And then the last bit is them going off to the airport, and she kind of waves goodbye to him at the departure gate. She's going back off to meet mum, she's back to school on Tuesday, and he'll turn around slowly and walk down the corridor, and he'll open the departure gate door, and inside the door is the rave, but you only see it very briefly, so he steps into it. So I think we're supposed to believe that after that holiday he went home and killed the departures. So that is the ending, it's all a bit ambiguous, really, although I think it's all there on the screen.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:48

Ambiguous, but it's pretty bleak. Still pretty clear that he'd kill himself, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

Yeah. So mega lols. Lots and lots of lols. Obviously, suicide is the biggest killer of men under fifty in the world. It's the you know, heart disease after that, but suicide. So s seeing suicide depicted on film, male suicide, and dealing with it is clearly a serious issue, especially the impact that it has on the people that are left behind.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:16

So you see her with the camcorder plugged in, watching it on the tele, and it's obviously like, fucking hell. It reminded me of do you remember there's an old drink driving advert? You know, they just do the really grim fucking drink driving advert at Christmas. It was a mum with a camcorder watching a video of her daughter who'd been killed in a and it was like, Thank you, mummy, and she was just winding it back and kept watching her daughter say thank you, and I was like, fucking hell. You know, it's it's fucking about as bleak as it gets.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

Yeah, the these They are important films, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

And I think this one's brilliantly made as well. Her the kid is so uh Paul Mesgell, we already know is brilliant because Hollywood's fallen in love with him, but the kid is fucking amazing in it. Yeah, absolutely like one of those beyond their age type performances. And then the cinematography is really good, it's very dreamlike, and it leads you into a lot of stuff, it lets you fill in the gaps yourself, it doesn't tell you things, it might just show you things and let you work stuff out. So it rewards an intense viewing, and like I say, brilliantly acted and on a very serious subject. And if you're the father of a young daughter, like three of us are here, and if you've ever suffered with depression, you will find yourself really connecting, I think, with the subject.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

Yeah, I I I must admit I've found it kind of hard to watch in in the kind of sense that it's even talking about it, actually, you know, it it ju it just evokes a lot lots of kind of memories and lots of thoughts and things that that I don't really want to go into. You know, it they are so it it was brilliant brilliant, you know, his acting and everything and and the the stories. Also my you know, my own holidays and, you know, the it's one of those films that just pulls out emotions, you know, and that's what films should do. They should pull at your emotions and they should make you think different things and they should make you think about memories and the timeline is complicated in this one, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

Because obviously you've got a lot of empathy for a guy who's that distressed and who's missed out on so much of his life at such a young age, but also you're like, that's really s you know, selfish. And look what you've done to the people in your life.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:30

There's the sort of overarching emotion of people who have suffered that is they get fucking annoyed that someone's done that.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

Yeah. I think it's possible to hold both those ideas that you know, but you can really feel for Callum who's you know portrayed very realistically and authentically, and also think, gosh, it's a terrible, awful thing you've done.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:47

Yeah. Bad decision. Yeah, yeah. Because it is as you say, the the people that are left behind that that really need to pick up the pieces. But it's yeah, was it wasn't full of laughs, and I struggled to watch this the whole way through in one sitting. I said to you, like I I it was on. It was on like it played through in one sitting, but I got up and made myself a cup of tea, and then we'd come back in and I'll be listening to it and I'd look through. I think probably because of the the content as much as anything else was I found quite difficult to mess through, yeah. You know, it really is it was like that. Not because there was a lack of quality in the film or the acting or anything. So it you have to be in the right frame of mind, I think, to watch these kind of movies. You need to be able to be in a in a place where you think, right, okay, that's because as I say, the the the storyline, the the the actors in it was superb, faultless, but for me it was just hard viewing because it was, you know, I was looking for something a little more you gave me Annabelle in the week for Abigail Abigail, sorry. Yeah, I gave you Lol's. Yeah, you gave me Lolz. But I was already anxious, like you know, because Abigail seems to be like a horror film, and then this one was not full of laughs. This was way more disturbing to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

Yeah, yeah. It was, yeah. Yeah, this this this made you you think a lot more than Abigail.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:24

Did it? Oh me, I loved it, but yeah, but I think I'd be quite clear about that. But what about you?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:28

Do you get on with it or Yeah, no, it's like really well made like for a directorial debut, the performances are really good. It's just not it's not fun watch. It's not obviously not that kind of movie. You kind of want to stick on like He-Man or something else, like Daily Edge Off. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's like powerful.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:44

Yeah, yeah, it is powerful. That's right. Yeah, I think that's but Mrs.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:47

Straight away who like check is like, I know what's like kid trauma. Because you think it she didn't know whether it was gonna be because then the the very first bit when he's complaining about Rummer's like, oh no, is he gonna be like a dickhead dad? And straight away you're like, No, he's not. But it's not, you don't know going in like how is it gonna play out. Because the the tagline is like, you know, the girl watching her stuff back and and re figuring out, you know, oh god, what is he gonna do?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:15

I'll probably watch this again. You know, and no and knowing what it it ends up like, you know, that those elements are taken out of it. Because again, like you, I I wasn't sure, but you knew something was gonna happen. They don't give away there was an edge on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:31

Other than like you get the rave bit of like her trying to see him and trying to get to him, but they don't when she's she's quite stoic when she's watching it, they don't give away like what is she annoyed, you know, fucking annoyed she's guttered that he's gone, or is she annoyed that he's gone?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:45

But I think she's trying to work all that out, right? Yeah, I guess. That's literally all she's trying to do. She's yeah, it's all of those things exactly. And she and she's trying to figure it out because she's got no relationship, she hasn't seen her father for 15, 20 years. You think you check it out, Chris?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:59

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:00

No, it's not for you, Chris. This one has you know genuinely connection in it.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:04

I I told you I put it on, I I went for a wee, went back, fell asleep, woke up, film was done. So I I couldn't tell you what happened then by the sounds of all this. I have to say though, I watched the Hamlet a few months ago. That sounds hard going as well. Pardon? That sounds like hard going as well. That was hard going, but do you know what? I was glued to the telly. Really? He was really it's the same actor, right? This Mesco. Yeah. He was really good. He's brilliant in this. The Rayleigh the Rayleigh, the lady that was in the Hamlet as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:38

She won the Oscar, didn't she?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:39

I don't know. I I I have no idea. She was really good, so now when you said like, oh, Hollywood's falling in love with him, I've seen him in Gladiator, the and I was a bit like Because obviously I loved the first one and you're never gonna get a g as good as that, but he is a great actor. From what I've seen, even in The Gladiator, he's still a good actor. He's just uh you can't compare to to obviously the first one. But then just by hearing all this and w the way you say it's good. He's really good. I'm not gonna watch it because if you're gonna tell me the bleak kids, he's gonna the the the the injuries like that. It's got real depth to it though, the movie. And plus because generally I'll try to watch stuff with Kira because you know, the telly's there, you know, even if she's on a laptop doing things or whatever, she's gonna be in the room.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:27

Yeah, and anyone who's got like a difficult or sort of weird, complicated relationship with their parents probably would like freak out watching this, maybe I don't know. But yeah. Strong recommend for me. Very huge recommended.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:38

Huge. Yeah, go for it. Why not? Strong.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:46

Who is next? Is it you, I think? I have got NOMS ready, if you want them. I'm pretty sure it's you because it was me with the I'm looking at you, and you're looking at me. It was me with the apex and and all that. Then it was Dan because it was meant to be read.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:00

But it's the it should have been me. I went out of order. Well out of order. So it's now you were on holiday. Yeah, do you want them? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:08

Top five, I don't know if you've done this before. Top five motorcycles. I don't think we have, no. Yeah. Oh, okay, we've already got an idea. And then midweeker is Akira. Okay. And the main feature, although it's slightly years don't really work, but who cares, is the motorcycle diaries.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:24

I'm in Che Guevara. Yeah. I'm in. Okay. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

I'm cycle week. Join us next week. Because there is a strong the strong cycle.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:33

Uh Garcia Bernal is. Yes. Yeah, when you're talking about it's like, oh no, not there.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:37

And it's uh Ernesto Guevara. Because a strong motorcycle I've never seen Akira, but it's a strong motorcycle vibes. It's kind of like a futuristic thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:43

I've never seen Akira either, but I've seen the motorcycle diaries and it's Ernesto Guevara has to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

I I thought you were gonna talk about the the movie that you mentioned earlier, the bear suit, not that one though.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:57

Yeah, but the Reddit. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:01

That's why I was kind of looking at you sort of just gripping onto the side of the yeah. I'm not ready yet.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:07

White knuckles. I'm not ready yet. But all that remains is to say tidy signing out. Reeds has left the building. A lot of it. Dan's gone.