Vigilantes & The Bleeder (Chuck)

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Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, the podcast that is to cultural commentary as a headbutt is to a handshake. This week we're bypassing due process entirely with the top five vigilantes, a pursuit so overwhelmingly male-dominated it makes prostate cancer look inclusive. We'll be taking matters into our own hands more than a man with unresolved childhood trauma and a utility to utility belt, or more than Dan, who takes matters into his own hands an average of four times a day and has the forearms of a professional arm wrestler to prove it. Our main feature sees us taking a pounding in the bleeder, starring Leif Freiber as Chuck Webner, a man who fought Muhammad Ali, inspired Sylvester Stallone to write the greatest sports film ever made, and then squandered virtually every last drop of goodwill he earned from anyone else along the way. It's basically cocaine bear, except Webner got all the cocaine and the bear just had to stand there and get punched. Before we start, a quick warning: the podcast contains strong language, spoilers, moderate peril, and confident assertions about cinema from four men who are wrong more often than they are right. If you object to any of this, you're welcome to seek redress through the appropriate channels, none of which actually exist. Let's meet this week's collection of middle-aged men who've decided the world's problems would be solved if people just listened to them more, starting with Dan. He's so old he remembers when the Marquess of Queensbury was just an earl, and the idea that a fight should have rounds was for foreigners. Fuck yeah. He lost all his fuck Yeah, it's not me, it's Dan. He lost all his fucks in the great fuck crash of 1929, and has been operating in a post-fuck landscape ever since. Next up, Resplendent Chris, a man whose jawline belongs on a Greek statue, but whose film preferences belong before a war crimes tribunal. Unless someone is getting their kneecaps relocated with a tire iron by a man in a mask, Chris watches it with the enthusiasm of a man receiving a sponge bath from his father. And working the body in third place, the man who spent all week tangled up with a big, thick, aggressively hairy bear, and who told me once you've had one sitting on your chest you're never quite the same again, it's Sidey. Oh. And then there's me, hello.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Hello.

SPEAKER_08 2:22

Hello. Hi. Lots of innuendos and puns about vigilantes and bears and stuff, aren't there? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Easy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_08 2:29

Well, listen for more.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

The bear vigilante, is that is that a euphemism?

SPEAKER_08 2:34

Yes, a bear is a type of gr uh a hairy gay man, basically, I think.

SPEAKER_06 2:39

Yeah, so like a like a niche subculture thing of macho hairy dudes, isn't it? Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_07 2:45

Like that picture we shared on the on the WhatsApp message. Yes. Never for again.

SPEAKER_06 2:51

Didn't someone break into someone's house and get That was it. Is that him? Some bungling burglars broke into like a gay.

SPEAKER_07 2:59

It was the US's biggest sexual predator or something and got bummed to death. Bummed to burglary.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Well, not to death because the head to submission. They got yeah, they got held prisoner for prisoners for three days until the neighbor heard their screams. And uh the the mugshots, because they still got convicted for breaking into this guy's house and and trying to rob him.

SPEAKER_08 3:23

It wasn't the only thing that got broken into and entered there. Three months.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

Exactly. But the mugshots, that that's the beauty of the whole that's that's why I like the that's why I saved that thing on my phone. The photo is because the mugshots are on the day that they got released from this guy's house, they went straight to prison and they got the mugshots, and then mugshots are published in the newspaper, and the mugshots are you know when the eyes tell a story exactly and they looked they look like they did bum the deck.

SPEAKER_06 3:52

Humans are depraved, aren't they? Yeah. So anyway. Uh that segues very nicely into Would you like a walking football update? Please. Please do, yeah, yeah. We had our last, potentially our last. There is a there's an outside chance we might have another game, but our last league game. Which would be a playoff. Which would be a playoff. So your last league game of the season. Last play proper. Trinity, yeah. Who are good team. Yeah, they've won the league every year that it's been in existence. Okay. So they have set down. They needed to get a result to they could they could potentially have still won it, they needed to beat us, but they can't anymore because we put them to the sword. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 4:29

Put them to the sword. 2-0, 2-0. Did you get any goals, Daniel?

SPEAKER_07 4:33

I I claim one of them. Yeah. Well, I always claim one, you know, whether it's mine or not. But we were nil-nil at half time, everything to play for, defensively solid, and then second half. We just kind of stepped it up. No, we we took our chances, basically.

SPEAKER_06 4:50

They're a good team, and even even when we went up, they were still they were still coming at us here to but it was all stand up and decided against them.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

I don't know. It looks like it's it sounds to me like it was your advantage. It was on neutral ground.

SPEAKER_06 5:03

It wasn't where it was it wasn't at home of football, no, it was an it was almost an away fixture. Yeah. So we've got a hundred percent record there now, played one-one one.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 5:11

So that's and we've got them in the final next weekend. So it really like it couldn't be. Their star man came off injured in the second half. So he may or may not be available.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Was it a bad tackle or was it just I think probably one of the ones where I blocked to Champions? I think the pressure. Well, what does that mean for the league?

SPEAKER_06 5:30

It means that if we need them. So what we were when we were discussing this over pints afterwards, we're like, what would be the ideal scenario? Because they hadn't set a date at this point for the final. So the ideal scenario would be that the final is first and he's not available, and then they play Portuguese. Because we need them to beat Portuguese in the league, then they still have to play them. And if they do, then we would get Portuguese in the league.

SPEAKER_07 5:52

And hopefully the star man then is available for the league game and rams in a load of goals in the.

SPEAKER_06 5:58

So we beat them this weekend in the cup, we win the cup. If they beat Portuguese, then we would have to play Portuguese in a final league game decider. Right. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 6:10

Yes, they'd have to draw.

SPEAKER_06 6:11

If they draw, they're gonna be able to win the league. They've got two games. If they they need to drop then he's drop a league. I think they would win it by one point, then he's drop a league.

SPEAKER_07 6:24

I'm not expecting too much. They're a very good team. Both those teams are good. Anyone can beat anyone when it gets right at the top of the table. But we've had a pretty awesome season wherever we finish now. Vastly in the world. Played a team 11. Yeah. Drawn two, lost one.

SPEAKER_08 6:40

You're playing like champions, whether you're in championship. Well, you know, what a group. Yeah. With a team, what a squad. Yeah. Forged in the furnace of battle. Yeah. So yeah. Well that's so what's your space? You know, hopefully next Sunday we'll do next Monday. I could be sitting here with two champions. Yeah. I'm already sitting here with three champions, let me say that. But I could be sitting here with two official walking football champions.

SPEAKER_07 7:04

Well, as we glance over at the medal from last year, we're hoping to double up and retain it.

SPEAKER_08 7:10

It's hard to win it, but it's even harder to retain it, I think.

SPEAKER_07 7:13

That's what they say.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

Yeah, it's hard to reach the top, but it's even harder to stay at the top, right? Especially when he's, you know, you when you sleep in silk sheets. It's you know, exactly. Yeah. That's it.

SPEAKER_07 7:23

You're still gonna want it.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 7:24

Uh did anyone watch anything, Biggs? How about you? I've been watching Beef. Did I talk about this? It's the Netflix, it's the second season, but it's a completely unrelated story. Strong recommend for beef. Yeah. Carrie Mulligan, Oscar Isaac, they're a sort of couple in their 40s, and they have a really vicious they're married and they have a really vicious argument, which is caught on videotape by this other couple who they sort of end up they're a bit young and doofusy, and they sort of start manipulating them. It's just kind of really funny and quite shocking sometimes. And Oscar Isaac and Kerry Mulligan, I think, are really good actors. So yeah, good strong recommend for that. It's A24 as well, their TV series.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

Okay. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_08 8:03

It's always worth checking out something from them. Nice.

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Dan?

SPEAKER_07 8:07

The boys. The series five. So I'm up to date.

SPEAKER_08 8:12

Yeah, I feel really limping along. It's the same shit over and over again this season, I feel a bit.

SPEAKER_07 8:18

I mean, it's been long enough that I almost could watch it from the beginning again to understand where we've got back up to because it's taken me Yeah. Like I don't know, the gap between the series four and series five, and then the delay in me actually watching that. So the cancel or more. But I I'm quite enjoying it. I think it's yeah, it's bizarre, it's it's it's still got crazy. I'm I'm not sure I understand all the superpowers of of some of the people. Is it our father? Yeah, who's just kind of got a bellowing voice, yeah, and it can make the Did you see this week's one with Seth Rogan and Christopher Mintz Platt's or whatever his name is, the super good and Yeah, I'll watch the you know, I'll watch the next I don't know, is it Drip Feeding now every Wednesday one or Wednesday or something? So I will look forward to seeing the last series. I imagine it will be. This is the last series, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 9:16

There can't be many episodes left, so it's a bit difficult to work out exactly what's gonna happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:22

And that's why I'll keep watching.

SPEAKER_06 9:24

It can't be the same as the source material because it's really different, really different, because Black Noir is. Yeah, because that was the thing, and that was the big shock in the book. Yeah. What about you, Chris?

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Not really watched anything You've had family over, haven't you? Yeah, well, not my family. Yeah, but and not only that, in the week there was Champions League, so evenings was I just watched football. I've managed to watch one episode of that thing. I I've committed to it, um, how to get to heaven from Belfast or something like that. It's a Netflix thing. It's not great, but I've committed to watching it and watched that, and then I've watched one more episode of the Sherlock, the young Sherlock thing. I want to finish it, but again, it just gets it's I at this moment in time I'm just trying to finish it. I think I've got one more episode of each of these two. That was really it. I didn't really have time for anything else but the the enough the films that I had to watch for the pod.

SPEAKER_06 10:19

I watched Apex. Alright, Shalisa Ross Ron and Taryn Egerton. That's on Netflix, on Neta's.

SPEAKER_08 10:27

She must be like a foot taller than him.

SPEAKER_06 10:29

Yeah. You see him naked though.

SPEAKER_08 10:31

Him?

SPEAKER_06 10:32

Yeah. He's really buffing this. She's he's not very tall though, he's not. No, he's not, he's like my height. She is an extreme sports enthusiast who kills Eric Banner right at the start. You know, you're thinking, wow, he's a big star to die in the last five five minutes. Yeah. In a in a uh big climbing sequence. And then she like later on, you know, if she's dealt with her trauma, she goes do some extreme sports in Australia. And she gets harassed by some locals, and Tan Eggman steps in to help, and you're like, Well, he's gonna be the psycho one, isn't he? Yeah, he is it says Predator. He he basically captures her and then says, Right, you've got to the end of this song to get as far away as you can, and I'm gonna chase you with this crossbow. Alright. It's his thing, is it?

SPEAKER_05 11:18

He likes to hunt them.

SPEAKER_06 11:19

And then it turns out he's fucking killed like fucking loads of people in the outback. Right. And she has to find a way to survive with her extreme sports expertise.

SPEAKER_05 11:28

I mean survive away from it and he's the apex proletary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:31

I was hoping he does he swings across into some water like in the bath and you see his ass, and he's like super, super buff. No dick though, unfortunately. Yeah, it was a shame. We can imagine. I would give it a moderate recommend. Okay. Yeah. I keep seeing it being pushed at me on that. Yeah, it's their like big letters released, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, they're they're pushing that hard. Should we crack on with our top five vigilantes? Yeah, let's brace some heads.

SPEAKER_02 11:59

Top five vigilantes. Yeah, in in in cinema, as they say. I've got all kinds. Alright, Chris, come on then. Well there there are quite a few of them. I I think this is quite a rich theme in in films and and stuff. There's there's quite a few of them, and and I'm not gonna mention all of them. The first one that I thought about, and it obviously it comes from the the Elliot Ness, as I said, shooting first before someone draws a gun, things like that. The first one that I thought about was Law Abiding Citizen. Okay. With obviously a friend of the pod, Jerry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:35

Elliot Ness and the Intouchables, you mean midweek this week.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, sorry, yes, yeah, sorry. And but but the the one that I had in mind was a law abiding citizen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 12:45

Because he's he's not a police officer, he's not a cop, he's not an FBI agent, he's a It has one of the most is that it has like a really brutal scene where his wife and kid are like at the beginning of the film, yeah, they they're killed, like right in front of forced to watch it.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Yeah, Ray Ben Motor while while he's on his way out to because he gets injected with some sadity.

SPEAKER_08 13:11

Oh, it's good, man.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

It's brilliant.

SPEAKER_08 13:13

It goes completely unhinged, and he he turns out to be a complete maniac. If I remember correctly, he's an architect, isn't he? And he's designed the prisoner.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

He is not only an architect, he is a uh inventor. Yeah, engineer. Engineer, he has patents for different things and blah blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_08 13:32

But he basically runs a sort of cr a uh vigilante crusade from within prison. Yes. Basically, as you find out at the end of the film. At the end of the film, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

And it's it's a great cast as well. It's Gerald Butler, Jamie Fox, yeah, and some other people. It's uh I really I really like the film and especially because it's one of those revenge films where it's it's brutal. And it's it's brutal. Like he is and and there's a really, really great scene where Jamie Foxx and his he's a and the district attorney from whatever the city. Yeah, the DA. The guy goes, like, we're gonna meet someone, you grab your coat, and they meet someone in the in the tube station, and the guy's like, Look, before we speak, I was never here and this never happened. And he's like, Alright, so you know Clyde. Yeah, I know Clyde. He's like, so he's like, Look, you put him in prison, is because he wants to be there. This guy's a born tactician. He's like, we the best example I can give you, we had Mr. Bad Guy, we've been tracking him for months, we tried to kill him, nothing worked. We call in Clyde, he invents a device that goes into his tie, strangles the guy, yeah, he goes home. And that's how we get him. He's like, if you think you put him in prison, it's because he wants to be there. Yeah. And there's a scene in where he's in prison where he he he he orders a T-bone steak. His last meal. He's being executed, isn't he? Well no, he says a favor for a favor, I'll tell you, because he because when his wife gets killed, all the people involved, there's only one that gets put on a death row. Everyone else the lawyer, the partner, the everyone else. He wants everybody who is involved and fucked this up. The judge, everyone, and he has the lawyer in a in kind of like in seven in a in a ditch, in a hole in the ground, but on a certain time, and he's like, Look, you did make deals with murderers, I'm in prison, I want a bed, and I want a steak from Tino's or whatever, and they they cater, I want asparagus, I want this, I want that. And they're late, and he gets the meal, he eats the steak, but it's a T-bone steak, and he stabs his with a bone, he stabs his cellmate in the neck to be put in solitary, which we find out at the end he wants to be in solitary. He built himself an escape route years earlier. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 15:58

He's taking so mad by this point, honestly. It's like gone off the rails, and and he's like mega acting at this point as well, and it's gone completely mental.

SPEAKER_06 16:05

I was thinking Gerard Butler, he's careful what you say, we could lose a listener here.

SPEAKER_07 16:09

Well, just the name, like you know, Gerard Butler. He sounds like a butler. Like that's what you call a butler. He but Gerard the Butler. Yeah, yeah, Gerard the Butler. Okay, I might check that out then. Oh, it's a good idea. Yeah, that is. It sounds very vigilante. There was a film we did for the pod a little while ago that when I was doing my deep research for this theme, it made me think of Bob Odenkirk playing Hutch Mansell in No Nobody.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

Oh, yeah, I've seen that, yeah. There's another one that's sorry, number two old.

SPEAKER_07 16:42

Yeah, yeah, I've seen two. Not as good. I didn't like it as much. No. But this one was really surprisingly good because he's not that you know, buff, he's not that. We don't have a petal scene as an action, but he's he's an operative who just doesn't give up and he's got a load of tricks. He's a family man at heart that is trying to play things very cool and keeping under wraps the quest for his daughter's bracelet, isn't it?

SPEAKER_08 17:11

Something like that. Yeah, well it's basically what drives him on this like.

SPEAKER_07 17:15

Yeah, he's it's it's they get robbed, and you go through this scene, what would have happened, but in fact he he gets called like a you know a coward by his son and everything who he's saying no no, just let him have it, and yes, the bracelet kind of goes. But there's one scene on a bus where it's such a good scene. He goes full vigilante mode, really, in the fact that he's just using all the the different areas of the bus and the the poles that you you'd sort of hold your hand on to walk down as the bus is moving and everything and swinging around that. I can still remember how painful some of it looks. It's heat flying, yeah, he just doesn't give up with you know pain. He doesn't register it in the same way as other people. And I think he ends up do you put a straw through the guy's neck? There's something like the blonde guy that he threw in right at the beginning. Which then means um that's the son of the badass gangster, um, and it escalates things.

SPEAKER_08 18:14

I remember as well, I liked that he had that tattoo that that guy recognised, and it's like in The Simpsons with Mo, where he suddenly like locks the door, like yeah, they see a tattoo of like a devil playing cards or something, and again, no arm in a lockerway.

SPEAKER_07 18:29

I've seen that before. These guys don't stop, they're just badasses. Yeah, vigilante. Nice.

SPEAKER_08 18:36

I'm gonna go with a pair of 70s movies that we did on this pod. The first was Death Wish, 1974 Charles Bronson, Michael Winners movie about how good it is to go around killing black people. Um was yeah, it was it was great, it was good fun, he enjoyed that. Completely at odds with the source material, which was sort of arguing against this exact form of vigilante justice. He was Paul Keesey, his wife, as they always are, murdered in a break-in of the game. Who was in the game? It was Jeff Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum, yeah. Yeah. And he kind of gets a death wish, as he says, goes wandering the park with like a bag of nickels in his pocket and like suddenly starting to get a gun and all that sort of stuff. And then at the end, it's sort of cheerfully moved on to another city, isn't it? He's kind of smiling, like, yeah, let's go and clean up this place. That's right. Um let go by the sort of justice system, they decide it's too hard to prosecute him, just move him on. And then it spawned a load of sequels and a remake with Bruce Willis.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Yes, amazing. Where he's a skater in Bennett's Beach. Yeah. And he he just kind of goes on a skateboard and Eli Roth did that one. Is he rad? He's rad, yeah. Pootie.

SPEAKER_08 19:50

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Oh, it's brilliant.

SPEAKER_06 19:51

Deathwish.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Honestly, it's brilliant.

SPEAKER_06 19:53

I need to share that out.

SPEAKER_08 19:54

And then the other 70s one that we did was one that you got us to watch, Rolling Thunder. Oh, yeah. Uh that was Paul Schrader and Love the Whip. Learn to love the Love the Whip. They were the they came back from NAM, didn't they? That's right. Sort of changed men. Not loved by their country.

SPEAKER_07 20:11

The punishment they had in Vietnam and it as a POW. Every time I went into the cold plunge. The cold plunge.

SPEAKER_08 20:19

It was like it just was so hard getting in, you just like you've got to learn to love the whip. He gets his hand cut off, doesn't he? He gets a hook put in there, and then him and Tommy Lee Jones, it was Tommy Lee Jones did it, and he's really fucking menacing. At the end, they just go to that brothel whorehouse and just kill everyone in the house.

SPEAKER_07 20:35

I think it's another one, isn't it? Would you get a hook or would you get a I wouldn't spoon my happy cooking dinner?

SPEAKER_02 20:41

I had to go in for the picture. I would get a pan mixer. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:48

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_08 20:49

Power drill, because I would finally do some like DOI. Yeah, okay. But that was really good. The pair of those 70s, they must have loved the vigilante in the 70s, they must have been thinking about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:03

Batman. Yeah. Yeah. The masked man himself.

SPEAKER_06 21:07

It does feel like murder of someone close to you is a good motivator for vigilanteism.

SPEAKER_08 21:14

If it's not your wife and kids, it's your parents.

SPEAKER_06 21:16

Yeah, because the one the Laura Binding Citizen one reminded me of the outlaw Josie Wells, his wife and kids are all burnt by a load of bandits, and he goes off doing that's a great film. But I was thinking of Batman. Nobody goes vigilante for Just for lols. Just for lol's.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

I've got a couple of that are lols, vigilante lol.

SPEAKER_06 21:36

Just for money, maybe just for pure mercenary effects. But Batman, yeah, he's superhero in a vertical commas. The super nurse is the he's super super wealthy. So I think he's also good at fighting and stuff. But he doesn't have any like super super powers. I can't fly or do anything like that. No, yeah. But he goes around you know cleaning up the streets by just being clever, having a lot of people. He's the world's greatest detective as well as his good detective. But he's also good at fighting and dishing out some violence as well. Yeah. Well mostly it's about operating outside the law, isn't it? So where the police you know, where they're like a bit like Eddie Ness is saying, I've you know gotta stick to the law. What are you prepared to do? Well, Batman and these people are prepared to go and do the extra. That's it.

SPEAKER_07 22:15

It has to be motivated. Nobody does it for their mother-in-law, do they? I mean you don't know.

SPEAKER_06 22:18

No, I wouldn't do shit then.

SPEAKER_07 22:20

I I wouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Vigilantes for that. You've got to be motivated. Uh but there is uh a film that I know we all adore is the Bondoc Saints. Yes. And they go to be vigilantes for no really religious reasons? They give money, but they don't really they they kind of accidentally be those They're told to in a dream or something though as well, aren't they, to go and do something? I think that's more the the Billy Connolly kind of in their head, like a prayer thing. Yeah. But I think they just fight these Russian dudes at the beginning and they end up killing them. And then they just kind of stumble upon the next meeting of the Russian boss or whatever, and they go through that really shit scene where they go through the uh extractor. Yeah, I know, but the extractor, the the what do you call it, the ventilation, right? And they fall into the room and they start shooting everyone. Oh, the perfectly between the the eyes, and and then they find the suitcase full of money, and they've got the the idiot Italian mate with the hair that Jafar. Oh, we need to fuck with him. I pretty I quite actually like that scene where their mate shows up as a room service guy after they shot everyone with a six-shooter, and there's eight people in the room, and they like we gotta fuck with him, and they just pull him down. They're like, There's eight people, Jafar, what are you gonna do with it? Last two of them, laugh them to death. Anyway, so yeah. And they are vigilante for no reason, just kill all the mafia associated people in whatever town they are. In Boston, maybe? Yeah, I think so. And they it's got William Defoe in it, that film, so I I love William Defoe. And apparently he's got a massive dick. William. Okay, Willie.

SPEAKER_07 24:09

Willie, Willie. Willie or won't he? Do you know Vigilante? Parties are really shit. Why? Justices. Yeah, it's it's pretty bad.

SPEAKER_08 24:21

Um Lincoln's just well um justice, justice, justice. It's really more of kind of Bob McCall.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

Bob McCall. What does that mean, too? If I say Bobby, Bobby McCall. Robert McCall. Robert McCall.

SPEAKER_07 24:36

Bob Robert McCall. I don't know. Is that a Western? Bobbit. It's Denzel, he's the equaliser. Oh yes. Uh you know, he he's the guy that will time you on his watch and think you've got 16 seconds. I will miss it.

SPEAKER_08 24:49

What's his bag? He was like XCIA, was he, or something? Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_07 24:53

We've done three of these. Of course, it was the great Iwa Woo-woo, Edward Woodward, if you tell me. Less it was less violent. The the D's out of the name. That was a classic joke, wasn't it? Would you yeah. Iwawu. Iwa Woowa. It was his influence that made the equalizer take this form under Denzel, who took it to another level, and it is yeah, really violent. He gets his own particular brand of violence. He works on his own a lot of the time. He doesn't want to, you know, work for for money, it's pride really that motivates him.

SPEAKER_08 25:31

See the first or second one where he's working at like B and Q and he clubs that guy to death with a hammer that he's the first one.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Yeah. Yeah, it's it's company property, it's not it's not about that. Yeah, that's um I would say uh sorry to interject, but Man on Fire also with Denzel.

SPEAKER_06 25:52

Is there a new thing of that? Oh, it's a TV series, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Well no, but that that's a film that I've seen a few years ago. Yeah, it's not. They've rehashed it. Oh, right, okay. That is kind of a vigilante thing, right? He he looks after this girl and Mark Anthony is in that syllabus. Oh yeah, it's the bodyguard.

SPEAKER_08 26:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:11

Well, okay.

SPEAKER_08 26:11

He was the bodyguard of Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 26:15

Wasn't he at Brooklyn's and thingy's wedding? What? Mark Anthony.

SPEAKER_08 26:20

He was like dishing out the uh the gossip on like what uh on Posh doing an inappropriate dance with yeah, she slot dropped and he was so embarrassed.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Yeah, amazing, yeah. Well he's not much of a vigilante though, but that that uh film he was in as an actor and he and Denzel.

SPEAKER_07 26:40

There's three of them and there's uh another couple similar on my on my list, but I'll I'll hear your one first, sorry. Well uh thank you, Dan.

SPEAKER_08 26:47

E, Danny. I've got a couple of ones that sort of try to examine what would happen if you actually tried to do this, be a vigilante, what kind of person would do it in Kickass, Mark Miller's comic that was adapted into a movie, had Aaron Taylor Johnson or just Aaron Johnson? Taylor Johnson. Taylor Johnson as Dave, doesn't he? Lizowski, who in the comics he almost did have a kind of superpower, and that was to get battered. Like he he could get beaten up and kind of take a bit of a battery base. Yeah, he did another bleeder, we got another one. And heal a little bit quickly. So but yeah, the the movie was a Matthew Vaughan thing, and it was right at the right time to kind of deconstruct a little bit some of the stuff that was going on with superhero movies. So I remember it making quite a good impression with Nick Cage as the Batman parody, and the big breakout star I think was Chloe Grace Moretz's hit girl. Is that what you can't do? Yeah, a really good character and yeah. It spawned a really fucking awful sequel. And super, did you ever see this one? James Gunn's one, Rain Wilson. This was just he's like a kind of basically mentally ill kind of, you know, chef, basically. He just sews together his own outfit and takes a wrench out onto the streets and tries to find a mugging and he's like, you know, shut up, crime with his wrench. And he also gets battered a lot. He had sex with Elliot Page. Well, Ellen Page as she was then, but Elliot Page as he is now. Yeah. Ellen Gunn? It's James Gunn. So it's like Well, the sex, not the film. Yeah, the sex bit is quite horny actually, because she's just well into him because he's uh wrench vigilante. Yeah, basically. And she that's the when he turns her on. Yeah. But mostly with a wrench. Like he just he smacks this guy with a wrench and it's like brutally horrible. Like the guy's like gibbering and you know, it's like shown really realistically, and it is sort of a you know, you don't feel like he's a very nice character or that these are very good events to happen. So Yeah, vigilanteism.

SPEAKER_06 28:59

Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna go with Angel, the series. So the Buffy spin out. Buffy verse. Yeah. Angel was a vampire who and he was renowned for being particularly cruel and horrible vampire, and now he's sort of a detective slash vigilante uh as a penance and as a kind of redemption arc. I didn't like this series as much as I liked Buffy, but it's still good. And Damien Bryan's was hot as well. The Buffy thing died, it was coming back and was was killed off.

SPEAKER_07 29:29

Never really got into it myself.

SPEAKER_06 29:31

As far as doing a pilot for with you know Sarah Michelle Gallow and everyone in it, and then it just got fucking shitty. Yeah. So I would have watched. And then I had another superhero one, which was the Punisher. I really like the Oh well, which one though? I mean like the John Bernthal one.

SPEAKER_08 29:46

Or the the Long Dolph one's fun. I like the Ray Stevenson one as well. Warzone, I think it's called, is just really over the top.

SPEAKER_06 29:55

Because he's back as well, the John Bernthal one, isn't it? Yeah, he is. I haven't seen any of the new Dead or stuff, but I really liked him as there's some great stabbing, some good sound effects in the original Marvel series of that.

SPEAKER_05 30:06

There was Thomas Jane played one, didn't he? The a Punisher.

SPEAKER_06 30:10

And then do you remember Michael Cain? Harry Brown and Harry Brown. Yeah. It's like a pension of vigilante.

SPEAKER_07 30:16

Blow the fucking doors off.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Yeah. Oh yeah, he's uh like a Marine or something, isn't it?

SPEAKER_06 30:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. It's maybe a little bit well, they call it Death Wish for the Tian Cardigan demographic. Oh nice. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

It's just my norm to go. There's a franchise which started as a low budget original 1979 film with a friend of the pod and especially a friend of Regan's people.

SPEAKER_08 30:41

Mel Gibson? Yeah. Were we talking about Mad Max?

SPEAKER_02 30:44

1979. Yeah. That is a proper bit Delante, right? His family gets killed, he gets angry, and just there is no law though, really.

SPEAKER_07 30:53

I mean everybody's just a little bit. Yeah, but it's less of the apocalyptic yellow. It's not that bizarre. It's not so crazy into it.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Yeah, the first one, yeah, yeah. I think that's more the more kind of close to reality than than apocalypse.

SPEAKER_07 31:07

Made me think a little bit of the first Rambo there, really, is you've got young John Rambo misunderstood from the Vietnam War, um being seen as a bit of a a vigilante. Great. Um unbelievable here. Oh yeah, brilliant. Yeah. Did you hear about the vigilante wanks a lot? You didn't know. He takes matter into his own hands.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

I made that joke in the intro about this better.

SPEAKER_07 31:33

It's all about timing.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Sorry, I'm gonna say one more because we've done this for the pod. Oh, it's we there's there can't be a a a pod nomination or a or a top five without um Clint Eastwood. Yeah. High Plains Drifter. Yeah. Or I'm forgiven. Or Gran Torino. Yeah. I was JC Wells is the one. But you know, yeah, High Plains Drifter is great. Because we've done it for the pod. It's almost like a where did he come from? Was he really? Where did he go? Where did he go? Where did he go from the show? What is the point of all this? And I sorry, I had to say that, and I've got my nom, so you can sorry. Okay, my nom was Clint Eastwood. No.

SPEAKER_07 32:11

Robin Hood is your classic kind of vigilante. You're gonna give to the poor. That's it. There was also uh a guy who had a particular set of skills. Yeah, Lil Hidden.

SPEAKER_08 32:24

I suppose he was retired.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

He turned back into his own hands.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Above the law as well. He did find them.

SPEAKER_07 32:34

And he will kill them. Yeah, he will find them and we will kill them. And he became very quotable. The purge. I don't know if you remember that movie. A window where you can do crime. Yeah, the whole community went vigilante, like where I don't know. I mean, maybe that worked within the law, but that was that was one Dirty Harry obviously went a bit vigilante as well. And Old Boy, that Korea South Korean film where the guy's looking well, he's he's locked up 15 years and he just goes fucking crazy after that, and because he doesn't understand who's done it, and he he takes matters into his own hands to to find out who the hell has locked him up for the last 15 years. Yeah. So there's a couple in there, and I've just got my nom, which I might as well go. Yeah, it's it's already the only female that I've heard on. Oh, which one have you got? Because I've got Inglorious Bastards. Okay, okay. And it's the the girl, I think her name's Shashula Shoshana. And she goes the cinema. Yeah, she she just tortures the cinema with old films and she goes up in flames. She doesn't even make it out herself, but she takes down Hitler and Himmler and Gorgals and Gore and all the rest of them in a uh a huge cinematography. In a blaze of glory. In a blaze of glory. Wasn't that actually what happened?

SPEAKER_02 33:55

No, unfortunately. Yeah, that's quite sad, isn't it? Yeah, it didn't happen like that.

SPEAKER_07 34:00

It's a it's a it's a good ending though, isn't it? Just machine gunning hit like ground beef, like yeah, horrible. So there, I'm gonna I'm gonna add that one in.

SPEAKER_08 34:12

A couple of quick side norms. Uh another female for the list was Ellen Page again. Oh god, now I'm getting myself in Dodgy Territory, Elliot Page. But Hard Candy was that? Their debut, hard candy, your mate Patrick Wilson, that you can remember the name of, is a pedo.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

Without another euphemism, hard candy.

SPEAKER_08 34:30

No, it's explicitly about a 32-year-old man luring a 14-year-old girl to his house and hard candy.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 34:38

Yeah, but then sweetie. Yeah, but then him getting quite brutally, horribly having his testicles surgically removed with the scalpel, actually, is what she does. In case you're interested in that. Um I Spit on Your Grave. Do you remember that? That's the 78 classic exploitation film, a real nasty Ebert. Roger Ebert, the critic, called it a vile film with no artistic merit whatsoever, which of course guaranteed it an audience for the rest of time. I agree. There's no point for that film. And then Promising Young Woman featuring Carrie Mulligan that I talked about earlier. She her thing was pretending to be drugged and luring men, and then yeah, it was a confusing one, that one. I liked it. Uh I'm gonna make my nom though, which is I think probably it's a bit cliche, but I was gonna go for Travis Bickle. Um I think Taxi driver. Paul Schrader obviously had a thing about vigilanteism. We already talked about that in Rolling Thunder, and Travis Bickle is the ultimate one. He goes on a uh uh justice-fuelled rampage through New York. New York.

SPEAKER_07 35:43

He does indeed. On behalf of Jody Foster's prostitute. Nobody's mentioned John Wick yet.

SPEAKER_06 35:49

Well he still kind of works for a organisation.

SPEAKER_08 35:53

He's more a target. He's he would like if everybody would just leave him alone, he'd just be sat like with his dog. With his dog, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:59

Sure, he would. Toxic Avenger, Avenger stuff, toxically.

SPEAKER_08 36:03

I saw the new um. Oh really? Is it really bad? Yeah, it's not good. I I'm afraid it was not very good.

SPEAKER_06 36:10

Don't be afraid. Uh but my nom is gonna be Miss Marple. Right? Yeah. So she's like Angela Last three. No, that's separate. That's that's murder she wrote, isn't it? Oh right, yeah, no. I'm going for Miss Marple, the original, you know, nosy old bitty body who's solving crimes. She didn't murder anyone in reality.

SPEAKER_08 36:27

Well, I suppose what was she?

SPEAKER_06 36:28

Was she like She's not affiliated to the law? No. She's just getting stuck into other people's business and solving Was her thing she was just nosy.

SPEAKER_08 36:35

She wasn't like an author or something. Because murder she wrote she was an author and she would always get wound up in these schemes that were going along. Miss Marple, she was just a fucking busybody. Yeah. Miss Marple I've always hated that character and I hate her even more now.

SPEAKER_06 36:50

So that she's in, she's going in. So we need one more vigilante for the list. It's never gonna be better than Miss Marple. I doubt it.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

I haven't normed you though. Oh, I thought you didn't know. No. I was gonna give a a question mark for Sherlock Holmes.

SPEAKER_06 37:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Um I've got him on my list, but that's a question mark because he's still a detective. So he's a consulting detective. He doesn't really operate within the bounds of the law, but he is still He's on the gear as well. Yeah, which is you know great stuff. But but he's known by Lestrade and all his fucking dicks. But I'm I keep coming back to this film quite frequently. V from Vendetta. V from V from Vendetta. Yeah. Uh it it doesn't get more vigilante than that, really. It even starts with a V. Exactly. The the the V for Vigilante, not necessarily for Vendetta, but I don't have to go through this again because we've all seen it. I I love that film. I think it's amazing, and I've watched it numerous times. It inspired all these idiots with the mask and anonymous and all that, but as a vigilante Oh, they did they they stole the aesthetic, didn't they? Well no, yeah, but okay, sorry, they didn't inspire them, but you know what I mean though. And I I I have to say, every time I watch it, I love the way the guy, Mr. Anderson. Hugo Weaving. Hugo, which I don't I still can't believe that he's Australian. Believe it. Well it's unfortunate. I quite like him, but the way he speaks, he speaks really, really nice. Not the stuff that I don't really understand, but there are loads of B's and all that, but yeah, V for Vendetta and B from B from the R. To anyone from Australia there, consider yourself insulted.

SPEAKER_08 38:37

This movie was called Chuck in the US.

SPEAKER_06 38:39

Yeah, amazing, because they thought the bleeder is a horror film.

SPEAKER_08 38:42

Yeah. Or this thought that they might think that it was I I would never watch a movie called Chuck, I don't think.

SPEAKER_06 38:47

I think that's a worse title. And also it sounds like Chucky from fucking Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 38:53

I know. You bleeder.

SPEAKER_07 38:54

I always get called that as a kid, like, oh you little bleeder, little bleeder.

SPEAKER_08 38:59

But that is not really what it means in this context. This is a uh passion project from Leave Schreiber to bring to the screen the story of Chuck Wetner, the real life inspiration for Sylvester Stallone's screenplay for Rocky.

SPEAKER_06 39:17

Stacked cast in this.

SPEAKER_08 39:19

Yes. We've got Naomi Watts, Elizabeth Moss, Elizabeth Moss, Ron Pellman, Ron Perlman. There's some other good ones. Michael Rappaport, everybody loves him at the moment.

SPEAKER_06 39:31

I assumed it was the real Mohammed Ali and Sylvester Stallone, because they look so alike.

SPEAKER_08 39:35

Yeah, they may not have looked like them, but they did sound the guy who did Spectre Morgan, I think his name was the voice was uncanny that he did for Stallone.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

I'm pretty sure it was Stallone. That was it not Stallone that did the voice?

SPEAKER_08 39:49

No, it was Morgan Spectre. It was it's Morgan Smith or whatever.

SPEAKER_07 39:53

I'm sure Mohammed Ali liked the guy with moobs.

SPEAKER_06 39:56

Um I did think that anyhow we start off forward in time a bit.

SPEAKER_08 40:05

Well, it's some archival footage actually of Wetner Boxing, and then there's a quote. Yeah. It says, Hey, who who cares about me yesterday, huh? Nobody. Uh and then it's attributed to Rocky. Yeah. And then um He's getting his gloves done up there. He's getting his gloves done, and he's with Jim Gaffigan, his friend John.

SPEAKER_06 40:23

Yeah, and the guy there's like some guy just like giving him a drink. Plowing in without boxing.

SPEAKER_07 40:28

This guy invented the wet t-shirt.

SPEAKER_06 40:31

And then when it comes to the fight, he's like nothing in the face. He's like, Were you gonna tell him that? And he's like, just nothing in the face. And then back. Fucking grizzly. And it's a grizzly bear that he's fine young, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 40:44

I think we've already seen had a little bit of there's a lot of narration in this movie. We've already had a bit of Chuck himself leave Schreiber saying Well, he's announced Into the Ring in this one as the guy that went 15 rounds with Army. He says, You don't know me, but you don't know that you know me, but you do know me. And then they show footage of like actual footage of the guy running, and it's like Rocky, isn't it? He's running along the road in a hoodie, and he's a local sort of celebrity. The bleeder on Bayonne.

SPEAKER_06 41:11

Yeah, he narrates it and he says this bit is definitely true where he's like gonna fight a fucking Christie.

SPEAKER_07 41:16

But they they I did watch a little bit of Webner fighting Muhammad Ali and a couple of interviews today, and he said that the bear did have a muzzle and it had clipped his no, it clipped its claws, but it did go on top of him at one point. He said its hair was like a fucking brillow pad, and I was just like red all over. And the trainer had said to me, just like wave, if you know you want to get it off. But he said my hands were pinned under me as this fucking bear had gone on top of him. He said he just managed to get a hand out and then he went, and it was for charity, he raised like 30, 35 grand for that. He did it again, he goes, Oh, we did a good job, and he raised another like 20 grand, but after about like 30 seconds, the bear threw me out, like literally threw me out of the ring, and he said, I think he recognised me like second time. The bear fucking knew me. It was the same bear, Victor the Bear, Heldegrad, and it thrown him out of the into the table, and shit went everywhere, people with meals and everything, and the the referee's going, four, the ref five, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's gonna stop it.

SPEAKER_08 42:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 42:27

He's going for him and Wentman goes, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I ain't going back in the road. It's not crazy, but he goes, you know, entertainment.

SPEAKER_06 42:37

But yeah, that's how it starts, and you realise this isn't a normal you know, almost in the sort of guy. Oh, he's done it for charity, but this is sort of the tail end of his inverted common's career, boxing career, and then we're gonna go back to see where he started out.

SPEAKER_08 42:51

Yeah, we go back to like the early 70s, uh, 73, 74, that sort of time, because his big fight with uh Ali is 75, isn't it? So he's like the big man on campus, you know, he's he's uh he sells liquor. Numbers eight in the world. Yes, it still has to be. Basically pretty much a club fighter, really. Yeah, he's got work, he's got good.

SPEAKER_07 43:12

He doesn't pay the bills being eighth in the world. You you know, the money isn't in the game as it was, as it is now, even that kind of good.

SPEAKER_08 43:22

But his character, he's a compulsive flirt, like wherever he goes, I thought they try and show you that he's a good guy, he's like a family guy.

SPEAKER_06 43:30

He goes to watch the Rumble in the Jungle. Yeah. They got it on the local like cinema. It doesn't jump the queue, he just goes to the back of the queue and someone and I'm like, Oh, he's you know and then he's like, No, as soon as he sees a bird, like he's all over them in front of his wife.

SPEAKER_08 43:44

In front of his wife, yeah. And they have already tried to show that he's quite supposed to be quite sweet 'cause he mate he writes these little poems and he slips them in the uh stuff and all that.

SPEAKER_06 43:52

And 'cause the guy he doesn't like the nickname the bleeder, and as he's going in to watch that fight, someone shouts, Hey bleeder and he's like What do you call me? He goes over and then he starts flirting with the guy's message. Really aggressively flirting with his message.

SPEAKER_08 44:04

In fact, he'll go back later to try and fuck her with him.

SPEAKER_06 44:06

He yeah, after the watching the thing at the cinema, he goes, I just need to have a bit more time out. It's not a great nickname for a boxer though, is it? The bleed. Yeah, after they've watched that fight, he says to his wife, I'll just I'm gonna stay out a little bit longer. She's like, okay. And then he it cuts to him with the girl that he was flirting in the line with in the diner, and his wife comes in and just berates her. Yeah. It's clearly a pattern. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 44:38

Also, as well, his favourite movie is Requiem for a Heavyweight, which he watches sort of religiously, knows every word to, and Anthony Quinn's performance, and he obviously doesn't miss the irony of it being essentially describing his life, you know. I was nearly the heavyweight. Nearly the heavyweight champion. So I really liked that scene in the coffee shop, by the way, the way that his wife comes in. Yeah, she's just not like I really think Elizabeth Moss is great.

SPEAKER_07 45:01

Yeah, she says, No, don't get up, don't get up. It's not your fault.

SPEAKER_08 45:05

Yeah, you might need to hear this. He wins a fight, doesn't he? And he's sort of up there.

SPEAKER_07 45:12

The storming Mormon. Yeah. Henky. He's been cut like uh a couple of times in cuts that would get the fight stopped with a TKO. It's that amazing stuff. Ron Hellman just shows the doc the wrong eye. He's like, oh yeah, it's fine. He's he's the he's the cut man. He says, I can't stop this one. You better fucking knock it out. He goes Exactly. You you need to finish this like this next round because I can't stop the bleeding and that. So he goes all in, knocks this guy down.

SPEAKER_08 45:40

He goes, it's like it's not very realistic at all, any of the boxing. They're more like Rocky than they are, but that's fine because it's not really that much of it in the movie, to be honest.

SPEAKER_06 45:51

It's not like watching Creed. No, so after this is the thing, there's not a lot of actual boxing. It's not more a lot more drug taking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:58

Yeah, it's it's outside.

SPEAKER_08 46:00

So after this, we get Don King calls up his manager, Ron Pearlman, and he's basically out. It's a big guy. It's a big unit, Ron Perlmint. They're just trying to create buzz around the fight, so they make it about race, and they want the top number one white guy, which happens to be Chuck.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Yeah, because in the top ten, everyone else is black. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:22

Um even the gym just looks it just looks so shit.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

It says old school boxing or something like that. So it's like in the 70s, that is old school boxing.

SPEAKER_08 46:33

And they do get like a proper boxing trait. This is like professional now. They get moved up to stay into a hotel.

SPEAKER_07 46:39

This is the first time that he'd ever had that luxury because he was working like, you know, one or two jobs. He's doing a liquor route.

SPEAKER_06 46:46

He's doing a zel zoos to the local bars.

SPEAKER_08 46:49

And tries to flirt with all the I think he may have already met Lily.

SPEAKER_06 46:53

He does. She's the first one who's actually just like he goes, Oh fuck me. And she goes, not in this lifetime. Yeah. And she means it. It's like she's not actually that interested in him, which is you know, everybody else falls for him straight away. She's too big an actress though, when you see her to know that she's not gonna come back later on.

SPEAKER_08 47:09

So but anyway, it starts getting into the R. Lee fight. We get a guy who doesn't look an awful lot like Ar Lee but sounds a hell of a lot like him, and some press conference stuff.

SPEAKER_07 47:18

He got like$1.8 million, I think, for this fight, Ar Lee, and Chuck got around about a hundred grand, which was still big money in his boxing career, but it meant that for the first time, as mentioned, he he got to be a full-time fighter and take prayer whenever someone starts to go a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 47:40

All the questions are like, this fight is a farce, like why would anyone come to watch you just you know it's just gonna get knocked out and no time at all. And it's like, well, you know, we'll see about that.

SPEAKER_07 47:51

He's got a poem, isn't he, that he reads out and he gets interrupted by Ali just.

SPEAKER_08 48:02

And they Phyllis's wife, they've been sort of Phyllis's wife has been out of the picture for a little while because of some of his dalliances, hasn't it? But Ron Perlman convinces her and Jim Gaffigan convinces her to come back. Dalliances? Yeah, yeah. Cheating. Yeah, yeah. And so they call her because his bottle goes a little bit in the moments before the fight, basically, doesn't it? He needs his Adrian. He thinks he's a bit out of his depth sort of thing. So anyway, the fight happens, they portray it as pretty m one-sided. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:39

Where he he knocks him down. He's said to have actually stood on his foot. And there's a photo that they'll print later that seems to prove it as well, doesn't it? That he but he gets the knockdown. The referee calls it a knockdown. The referee calls it a knockdown. I mean, it basically is the end of Rocky, right?

SPEAKER_08 48:56

I mean, this fight, because he fights pretty much he fights 15 rounds and he's knocked down with a TKO with 10 seconds to go. You have to put in the champ down. So he does lose the fight, but he's won everybody over with his bravery and putting on a great show.

SPEAKER_07 49:10

I watched again the the after fight interview, the real one, and Ali looks like Arlie, handsome, pretty much untouched, and his face is just like a balloon of swells uh all around. He's my missile, it's like Homer when he's like does his. Well, and also I think he'd underestimated him a little bit, hadn't he? Yeah, I think so. I mean, the guy could take a punch, and we we see that in the first when you're first meeting Webner when he's a kid, and somebody takes his ball off him, his basketball, and he gets up and wallops the guy back, and then he brings a his friend in and he be ends up beating them both and he goes, you know, basically just because he can take a punch. I could take a punch and But this is where the trouble starts from now after the fight.

SPEAKER_08 50:05

Yeah. Yeah, well, because Sylvester Sloane goes home straight away after the fight and writes Rocky pretty much, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_06 50:11

And he comes out and he realizes Well, even just going home after the fight, everyone's like, that was amazing. You know, no one expected him to go 15 rounds. Yeah. So every bar he goes into, everyone's buying him drink. Oh yeah, local celebrity, you know.

SPEAKER_08 50:25

And the and the Charles starts to come out, the cocaine, yeah, which he gets an appetite for pretty quickly. Yeah. Um so yeah, and then so Sylvester Sloan releases the movie Rocky, and he watches it and he's like, Yeah, that's me. He's like, it's like the reflected glory of what he sees on screen, you know, never really putting the idea that it could be a sort of inspired by type thing. And it becomes like a a sort of albatross for him, really, the Rocky film in some ways. Although it propels him through this next part of his career.

SPEAKER_06 50:58

He's just not getting any money for it either. Yeah. So he's he's a little bit embarrassed, I think, to admit that he doesn't want people to know that he's not getting any money for it, even though it's his story effective on screen. Yeah, and they go to the club, doesn't he? Someone's like, Oh hey chat, blah blah and he's like, Oh yeah, get this guy whatever he wants. And then someone's chatting to him and he says, Oh, I you know, I loan gave me the choice of either you know one percent of the take or 70,000, so I took 70,000, you know. And then uh Jim Gaffkin's then like mouthing off about that. He's like, shut the fuck up, but I didn't actually get anything. I don't want people to know my business, whatever. So he's kind of like trading off this, like literally like just a fake life.

SPEAKER_04 51:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:41

Cash and checks he ain't he can't, you know, afford. Yeah. But they he he he gets to a point where he's he's now like ringing Universal Studios to try and you know get Stallone to take a call. Interspersed with lots of stuff. I think Phyllis has left him at this point, hasn't he? We should have taken her and the child, Kimberly as well. He has a really mad night out after one of these nightclubs where there's a load of uh hangers-on women round him and Jim Gaffney. He's actually like and then wait, he's on the couch just like basically comatose, and she's like, We're going, like I'm taking the kid, and you do what the fuck you want, but but you can't, you know, I can't have you around. The kid being our daughter, that's fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_08 52:20

So the kid being a pre Stranger Things Sadie Sink, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:26

He kind of descends, it goes a bit boogie nice here, I thought. He just descends into his cocaine fuel. It's 70s, isn't it? You know, it it's not that kind of time. There's loads of sort of disco dancing and nightclubbing and just descending into this sort of you know debauched.

SPEAKER_08 52:40

And he's moved from consuming drugs to now starting to move it on in the background as well. And he's like you say, he's trying to get in hold of Sylvester Stallone basically, ringing up Universal, and he's obviously phoned up a load of different restaurants and Maitre D's around town to get tip-offs where he's gonna be. And he ends up heading there with his mates, doesn't he? To see Stallone, where he knows he's having a lot of people.

SPEAKER_06 53:02

Yeah, it turns out Stallone's like made up to see him. Yeah. He's like, Oh, you know, can't believe it's you, you know, blow and then they you know has him over to his table with these other fucking pig wigs. He's he's in. He's like, well, we're gonna do Rocky 2. Yeah. It'd be great if we could get you in it. Yeah. Because he doesn't realise he's a complete fuckwit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 53:20

And I think there is an acknowledgement of like, we know that we're telling your story a bit here, so you come and get something out of it. So he keeps going down the path of madness, doesn't he? And it involves him then being really, really late for the audition that he's got for the Rocky thing. Without high off his fucking tits on like doing coke on the way in. Yeah. Not no idea, hasn't even read the script, no idea of the scene or anything. We've all been there, haven't we? He's just gonna walk in and he's like he thinks he's walking into a party something. Oh, I'm gonna get the buffet. Yeah, he goes straight for the food, doesn't he? Yeah. And there's like a load of people waiting behind for an audition, and it goes really disastrously wrong, or definitely not the way that Sylvester is.

SPEAKER_06 54:00

Stallone's really like backing him. He's like, come on, man, just like go to the bathroom, pull yourself together, just study the script quickly. Yeah, um. I think he basically goes to does some more like coke in the bathroom, smashes the mirror. He just can't do it.

SPEAKER_08 54:15

It's just a huge gap between what he thinks is happening there and what he's doing.

SPEAKER_06 54:18

He just thinks he has to turn up because it's him, he has to turn up and they'll just hand that to him. Yeah. Not so.

SPEAKER_07 54:25

Well, I mean, it would have been pretty much so, but not in that condition. You know, he needed to bring a little bit of a. You still need to be a yeah, you still need to be a good idea. They're spending the the studio's spending a lot of money.

SPEAKER_06 54:35

Yeah, because there's execs in the room and they're like, mm-hmm, but we're not having him embarrass our fucking picture. I think you they they start you see a few more calls where they're like getting kilos having to be delivered around, and then the next phone call is where the fuck are you? You're supposed to be at school, it's like parent teacher.

SPEAKER_08 54:51

Well, just before that is he goes off and has like a because he botches the the Rocky thing, and then he mate is made to l start to be a bit clowny with the Andre the Giant thing. Oh yeah, um he's made to make it a good one. Again, it's another exhibition fight. So it's starting, you know, he's taking money for these like terrible gigs, and everything's going down the toilet and yeah, the cocaine use accelerates, and so when he is called to the parent teacher thing and he's a fucking total disaster and he turns up and he's got I'm gonna read a poem and all this stuff, and it's like honking of gear still. Yeah. Yeah, so it looks like he's taking uh too many punches to the head at this point.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 55:32

It's really uncomfortable, actually. So and then after that, he's arranged to I think he's in Linda's bar, actually, isn't he? Where he's got the gear and he's told to go outside and put it in the car, and the cop he puts it in the car, and the gut the the cop just says to him, sorry, champ, and the police come out and he's done, arrested for possession. He's been fingered. He has been fingered, and he won't give anyone else up, so he's gonna take the wrap, which is two and a half years, three years.

SPEAKER_07 55:58

I think he gets a a fair chunk. He he gets out a little bit early on the promise of of parole good behaviour and having I think him going to prison is not the sort of person that people are gonna like mess around with No, I mean, but still prison's you know just a horrible thing. It's unbelievable though. Well, Rick, you know, what's it like? Prison. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 56:18

I've got some stories made, but not for the pod. When he turns up, unbelievably, I mean he's doing on good behaviour and he's in the warden's good books, and then they bring him around and fucking Stallone's there filming a movie. Yeah, it's like nah.

SPEAKER_06 56:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 56:31

He says, Do you want to go and see him? And he's like, nah, this they're finally the point where he's really moving on with his life, I think.

SPEAKER_06 56:37

He uses this time to actually clean himself up to he still looks after himself in prison, he's like reads some books and you know he's sort of cleans himself up a bit.

SPEAKER_08 56:45

Yeah, and I think recognises that the Rocky on screen is not him anymore, you know, and that there's something different. So he's released on good behaviour, and this is where we join up with the beginning of the film again, I think. He's where he's fighting the bear.

SPEAKER_07 56:58

Yeah, yeah, that's right. So he's doing this kind of stuff for charity now, like you know, that he's getting.

SPEAKER_08 57:04

It's mostly shown to be this is not really about the cruelty of the man fighting a bear, it's about how unglamorous everything is for him, really. And it's a means to an end, really, right? Yeah. Uh and then Linda turns up. Where does he meet her? Does she come to the fight? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 57:22

No, she yes, she does. She meets him backstage backstage after the Saturday night, I was just sitting around doing nothing, so I thought I might as well come out and and watch the fight. And they've had this massive chemistry all the way through.

SPEAKER_08 57:34

Mostly they're born on the same day. February 26th, my birthday. Oh my god, are you Chuck Webner?

SPEAKER_07 57:39

What is there a three-way going on here? It could be me and Webner. You and Chuck Webner, more likely. You and the bear.

SPEAKER_06 57:47

So they had they had been having a relationship. And she had kicked him into touch. Yeah. And now she's back. Yeah. And this is kind of really the end, isn't it? They they go, they're walking on the boardwalk.

SPEAKER_08 57:59

Yeah. They go out for a date, and he's got an amazing bum bag on.

SPEAKER_06 58:03

She's got some great 80s threads on.

SPEAKER_08 58:04

It looked like it had moved into the 80s kind of time, and then there's a planet Planet Hollywood thing there, and uh mortified Sylvester Stillet. She's like, Oh god, and he's like, No, no, he's alright, he's okay about it, he can take it with the right perspective at this point now, and you know, they walk off holding hands, sort of in love, it's gonna be alright for it.

SPEAKER_06 58:23

Because she takes a photo of him, and then that photo is then the present-day Chuck on the actual Chuck. Yeah, and then two walking around, and they're still together to this day, and they still work the same liquor route. Yeah. And he's reconciled with his daughter.

SPEAKER_07 58:35

That's right, because he went into the liquor back into the liquor business to liquor and lived happily ever after. I mean, it's an amazing life, really. He he's obviously grew up on in a rough neighbourhood. He was able to take a punch. That was his biggest kind of quality, and he turned that into you know, Sylvester Sallone getting inspired to write Rocky from it. Liv Schreiber doing a uh a film on him, and I think there's a couple of films done on him over the years. Yeah. As uh as a fighter, I think he was pretty kind of average in the big you know, whenever I looked at his record, whenever you it would he though I mean he's quite old now.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

I I know uh I still bat him to me, but um you're not uh Yeah, I'll be quick though, I'm quick, I'm quick.

SPEAKER_07 59:30

I uh I can move, I do jab, I'll I'll keep it going, keep my guard up. But no, he'd probably still have me because he's a heavyweight, isn't he? But he you know, looking at his record, whenever he fought somebody really good that I've heard of, he lost.

SPEAKER_08 59:45

But he obviously I know but he fought like George Foreman and Mohammed Arlene. He's not exactly lightweight, so they're bumps, they're bumps, they're bumps.

SPEAKER_07 59:52

No, no, they're they're the best of the best, of course, like you know, so he was obviously brilliant, although he was you know taking a punch most of the time. He he is a bit what he was saying. He he wouldn't go down. Watching him, he was quite slow. I mean he's quite an arm.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:09

They say that in the commentary, they say he's slow and cumbersome. He's he's heavy though.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:13

You know, if if one of those hits you, like it did in the ninth, um, stood on your toe and not it's a it's a big thump to the liver, to the to the head.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:22

They do show him working the bag a few times and it doesn't look like that rapidly.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:26

And anybody that goes 15 rounds at that time with Arlie, you've got to say you know, fair play to you. It's he he was brave, yeah, absolutely, you know, brave fighter. I watched ended up watching Ar Lee fighting a couple other guys and just putting them to the sword, really, you know, which he he could do. So yeah, it was I enjoyed it. You know, I had seen this before, and I like sports movies anyway. I like it if they got some truth in them, and this did obviously there's a bit of poetry license, but you probably don't need that much because he did lead such a colourful life. I mean, who fights a fucking bear? You know?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:08

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:10

Yeah, one slight bear would take your head off, surely.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:13

I mean not if it's wearing mittens though, like or you're a professional fighter, and you gotta weave you've got to get a bunch of the head, I guess, but it's still, yeah, it's still not I I wouldn't do it. Did you like it, Chris? Yeah, yeah, I enjoy that. And I like Leaf Schreiber and uh the the cast was good. I think everyone was the acting was actually quite good. It was believable and it wasn't too long, it kind of went through the whole thing. And again, I I kind of agree with that. I always like uh a real life thing and a sports thing. It kind of hits both both buttons for me, so yeah, for me it was good. I enjoyed this. I I've never seen it before, it's the first time I've seen it. Although I told you when I watched it, there was a few scenes where I was like, Did I see this before? So it it's either I've actually seen it and I couldn't remember, or I've actually just seen bits of it in Instagram or Twitter or stuff like that. But I didn't enjoy it though. I thought it was good. I don't know if how much it was or if it made money or whatever, but should be a tank.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:21

Oh, the the budget is not publicly disclosed. Okay. And it only had a th a limited theatrical release. So there's no disclosed numbers for either, I'm afraid. What do you think, Reese?

SPEAKER_08 1:02:33

Yeah, it's a very conventional sort of rise and fall sports movie with a very good performance from Lee Schreiber at the like all the performances, like you said, are really good. It's sort of entertaining more than it is moving as a story, sort of it's f plays a bit safe and a bit tropey, and the narration is a bit saccharin, but it's a good, fascinating story of an indiv you know, really interesting individual. But like I say, more entertaining than than illuminating or or moving or anything like that as a sports film.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:04

It really reminded me of Boogie Nights because it's set in that 70s time period. Although one's about boxing, one's about porn, it's you know, the rise and fall with a load of coca games. Yeah, same world. Yeah, this to me I enjoyed it to an extent. It felt almost a bit like a fucking daytime TV movie, some of it felt just the lighting or whatever it looked a bit kind of cheap. Cheap. But I like Lee Shiber. So my miss is actually terrible at recognising actors, and uh she's like, Oh is that the guy that did Hellboy? Like Ron Perman. Yeah, it's Ron Perman. And I said, I said, You know who like the boxers? And he said, No, I said that's Lee Schreiber, Ray Donald. She's like, fuck off. It's just got a nose thing going on or whatever. Yeah, so uh that was quite funny. No, uh strong recommend. It's strong, strong recommend. Yeah, it's a knockout. Yeah. Next week's norms is it was you, then it was you, is Daniel Daniel.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:59

It's either you or I is it back to me, right? Well, I've got a few belches lined up you would get to hear all about next week.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:07

Okay, so Dan. All that remains is to say starly signing. Dan has gone. And Reese has left the building.