Vigilantes & The Bleeder (Chuck)

 The Bleeder

Sidey: Hang

Reegs: Hang on. I haven't got my

Sidey: I haven't got my matter. Well, the b- we got a bleed up. Oh, wait, no, I need the top five first, don't Hang on. Shall I open this? Hang

Dan: I do... Hang

Sidey: bloody hell.

Cris: Hang on. Bloody hell. Hang on. Can we... While you're doing that, can we do some updates about the walk-in football?

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: do it at the intro- we'll do it after the intro.

Cris: Oh, right. Sorry. Okay.

Dan: Well, it could it could fit in there. We could mix

Sidey: So Reigs does his normal intro and then what we've watched, and then we'll talk about

Reegs: football. Football. to Gary's. All right. Okay. Welcome to Bad Dads Film Review, the podcast that is to cultural commentary as a headbutt is to a handshake. This week we're bypassing due process entirely with the top five vigilantes, a pursuit so overwhelmingly male-dominated it makes prostate cancer look inclusive. We'll be taking matters into our own hands more than a man with unresolved childhood trauma and a utility t- utility belt, or more than Dan, who takes matters into his own hands an average of four times a day, and has the forearms of a professional arm wrestler to prove it. Our ma- our main feature sees us taking a pounding in The Bleeder, starring Leif Schreiber as Chuck Wepner, a man who fought Muhammad Ali, inspired Sylvester Stallone to write the greatest sports film ever made, and then squandered virtually every last drop of goodwill he earned from anyone else along the way. It's basically Cocaine Bear, except Wepner got all the cocaine, and the bear just had to stand there and get punched. Before we start, a quick warning. The podcast contains strong language, spoilers, moderate peril, and confident assertions about cinema from four men who are wrong more often than they are right. If you object to any of this, you're welcome to seek redress through the appropriate channels, none of which actually exist. Let's meet this week's collection of middle-aged men who've decided the world's problems would be solved if people just listened to them more, starting with Dan. He's so old, he remembers when the Marquess of Q- Queensberry was just an earl, and the idea that a fight should have rounds was for foreigners.

Dan: Fuck yeah.

Reegs: He lost-

Cris: on the foreigners.

Reegs: foreigners. He lost all his... Yeah, it's not me, it's Dan. He lost all his fucks in the great fuck crash of 1929- ... and has been operating in a post-fuck landscape ever since next up, resplendent Chris, a man whose jawline belongs on a Greek statue, but whose film preferences belong before a war crimes tribunal. Unless someone is getting their kneecap- kneecaps relocated with a tire iron by a man in a mask Chris watches it with the enthusiasm of a man receiving a sponge bath from his father. And working the body in third place, the man who spent all week tangled up with a big, thick, aggressively hairy bear, and who told me once you've had one sitting on your chest you're never quite the same again, it's Sidey. Oh. And then there's me, Biggs. Hello. Hello.

Dan: Hello. Hi, Si. Hi.

Reegs: Lots of innuendos and puns about vigilantes and-

Sidey: Yeah ... and bears

Reegs: and stuff, aren't

Cris: there? Yeah.

Reegs: easy, isn't

Dan: isn't it? Well, listen for more. But is that...

Cris: vigilante, is that, is that a euphemism?

Reegs: Yes, a g- a, a bear is a type of a gr- a, a hairy gay man basically, I think, who-

Sidey: so like a, like a niche subculture thing of- Yeah ... macho hairy dudes, isn't it?

Dan: L- Right ... like that picture we shared on the on the WhatsApp

Reegs: Yes. Of that man. Never

Cris: I-

Sidey: never forget. Didn't someone break into someone's house and get- Was that

Dan: bungling burglars- Yeah broke into, like, a- Some bears ... gay- It

Reegs: the U- sexual predator ... US's biggest sexual predator, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Or

Dan: Yeah ... yeah. And got bummed to death. Right. Bummed to burgle-y. Well,

Cris: not to death because the,

Sidey: he- Into submission

Cris: they got, yeah, they got held prisoner, prisoners for three days until the neighbor heard their screams. And the, the mugshots, because they still got convicted for breaking into this guy's house and, and trying to rob him.

Reegs: It wasn't the only thing that got broken into and entered there,

Sidey: broken into and entered

Cris: But the mugshots, that, that's the beauty of the whole... That's, that's why I like the- Yeah the, that's why I saved that thing on my phone. The photo is because the mugshots are on the day that they got released from this guy's house, they went straight to prison- Yeah ... and they got the mugshots, and then mugshots are published in the newspaper, and the mugshots are... You know when the

Dan: eyes tell a

Cris: out? Eyes. Yeah, exactly. They looked, they look like they'd been bummed to death.

Reegs: are depraved, aren't they? Yeah.

Cris: they? Yeah. So

Sidey: Yeah. So anyway. That segues very nicely into, would you like a walking football update? Please

Cris: do. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: We had our last, potentially our last, there is a s- there's an outside chance we might have another game, but our last

Dan: Which would be a playoff

Sidey: Which would be a playoff.

Reegs: your last league game of the season-

Sidey: Last play- proper ... up against- Up against- ... Trinity Lot ... Trinity, yeah.

Dan: Who are a good team.

Sidey: Who are going through ... yeah, they've won the league every year that it's been in existence.

Reegs: Okay. So they really have set down the

Sidey: needed to get a result to... They could, they could potentially have still won it, but they needed to beat us, but they can't anymore because we put them to the sword.

Reegs: we put them to Put them to the sword. 2-0.

Dan: 2-0. 2-0. Solid. Didn't get any goals, Daniel. I, I claim one of them. Yeah. One of them. And well, I always claim one- Yeah ... you know, whether it's mine or not. But we were 0-0 at halftime, everything to play for, defensively solid. And then second half we just kinda- Sat back stepped it up. No, we, we took our chances, basically, second half. they're a

Sidey: good team, and even, even when we went up, they, they're still, they were still coming at us. Mm. You had to-

Cris: But it was on

Sidey: and be counted

Cris: I don't know. It, it looks like it's... It sounds to me like it was your advantage. It was on neutral ground. It wasn't where you

Sidey: it was a... It wasn't at home of football, no. It was an, it was almost an away fixture. Yeah. But we've got 100% record there now. Played one, won one.

Cris: Exactly, so that's

Sidey: really good. And we've got them in the final next weekend, so it really, like, it couldn't have got

Dan: a warm-up

Sidey: warmer ... because their star man came off injured in the second half, so he may or may not be available.

Cris: Was it a bad tackle or was it

Sidey: just- I think probably one of the ones where I blocked a shot of his- Yeah, hamstring ... so his hammy went.

Dan: I think.

Sidey: And- Pressure

Cris: But what does that mean for the league? Now that- It

Sidey: that it... we need them... So what we were, when we were discussing this over pints afterwards, we were like, "What would be the ideal scenario?" 'Cause they hadn't set a date at this point for the final. So the ideal scenario would be that the final is first and he's not available, and then they play Portuguese. 'Cause we need them to beat Portuguese in the league, then they still have to play them. And if they do, then we would get Portuguese in the league-

Dan: And hopefully their star man then is available for the league game and rams in a load of goals and- So

Sidey: we beat them this weekend in the cup, we win the cup. If they beat Portuguese, then we would have to play Portuguese in a final league game decider- Right ... playoff game. Okay, yeah. Yeah. So we could- So

Reegs: club have to lose

Sidey: then- Yes. Or two draws

Reegs: So if they draw, then- They've they've got,

Sidey: got two

Reegs: win the league.

Sidey: the league. They've got two games. If they... They need to drop f- they need to drop

Dan: think they would win it by one point

Sidey: they need to drop at least three points.

Reegs: Ooh.

Sidey: They, they, they're three points behind us but they've got two

Dan: I'm not expecting too much. They're a very good team. Both those teams are good. Anyone can beat anyone when it gets right at the top of the, the table. But we've had a pretty awesome season wherever we finish now. Vastly

Sidey: Played 18, won 14. Yeah. Drawn two, lost one. You're

Reegs: playing like champions whether you win champions

Sidey: you know, what a group. Yeah. What a team, what a squad.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: Forged in the furnace of battle.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: So yeah. Well, that's-

Dan: So watch this space, you know. Hopefully next Sunday we'll be

Sidey: booking next Monday off

Reegs: be sitting here with two

Sidey: with two champions. Yeah.

Reegs: I th- I'm already sitting here with three champions, let me say that. Yeah.

Sidey: But- Yeah ... I could

Reegs: sitting here with two official walking football

Dan: Well, as we glance over at the medal from last year we're hoping to-

Sidey: Hoping to double up ...

Cris: double

Dan: and retain our

Reegs: it, but it's even harder to retain it, I think.

Dan: That's what they say.

Cris: Yeah. It's, it's hard to reach the top, but it's even harder to stay at the top, right? Especially when you... You know, when you sleep in silk sheets, it's,

Sidey: you know- Yeah, exactly.

Dan: Yeah. That's it. How

Sidey: you lost your edge. You

Dan: want it. Yeah.

Sidey: did anyone watch anything? Reeks, how about you?

Reegs: I've been watching Beef. Did I talk about this? It's the Netflix... It's the second season, but it's a completely unrelated story. Strong recommend for Beef. Yeah. Carey Mulligan, Oscar Isaac, they're a sort of m- couple in their 40s, and they have a really vis- they're married, and they have a really vicious argument which is caught on videotape by this other couple who they sort of end up... They're a bit young and doofusy. And they sort of start manipulating them. It's just k- kind of really funny and quite shocking sometimes. And Oscar Isaac and Carey Mulligan I think are really good actors. So yeah, good, strong recommend for that. It's A24 as well, their TV

Sidey: Okay.

Cris: Okay, good. Yeah.

Reegs: worth checking out something from them.

Sidey: Nice. Dan?

Dan: Okay. "The Boys" Oh, yeah ... series five. So I'm up to date. think it's Had a little binge really limping

Reegs: along. It's the same shit over and over again this season, I feel a bit, but- I

Dan: it's been long enough that I almost could watch it from the beginning again- Yeah ... to understand where we've got back up to, because it's taken me, yeah, like, I don't know, the gap between the series four and series five, and then the delay in me actually watching that- happens a year or, or more, you know? Yeah. It's crazy. But I, I'm quite enjoying it. I think it's yeah, it's bizarre. It's, it's, it's still got crazy... I'm, I'm not sure I understand all the superpowers of, of some of the people. Is it Alfava? Yeah ... who's just kind of got a bellowing voice. Yeah. And it can make the-

Reegs: you see this week's one with Seth Rogen

Dan: Yes. Yeah ... yeah,

Reegs: Christopher Mintz-Platt, or whatever his name

Sidey: is, Yeah ... of the

Dan: And yeah, I'll watch the, you know, I'll watch the next... I don't know, is it drip-feeding now every Wednesday- Yeah, it's one a week ... or Thursday or something. So I will look forward to seeing the last series. I imagine it will be the

Reegs: is the last

Dan: yeah, I

Sidey: is, yeah.

Reegs: There can't be many episodes left, so it's a bit difficult to work out exactly- Yeah.

Dan: Well, that's why I'll keep watching.

Sidey: It can't be the same as the source material

Reegs: It's really different. Really different, 'cause Black Noir is

Sidey: it? Yeah, because that was the thing, and that was the big shock in the- Yeah ... in the book. Yeah. What about you, Chris?

Cris: Not really watched anything

Sidey: r- You've had family over, haven't

Cris: Yeah. Well, not my family. And not only that, in the week there was Champions League, so evenings was... I just watched the football. I've managed to watch one episode of that thing I, I've committed to it, the How to Get to Heaven From Belfast or something like that. It's a Netflix thing. It's not great, but I've committed to watching it and watched that. And then I've watched one more episode of the Sherlock, the young Sherlock

Sidey: thing. Oh, yeah.

Cris: I wanna finish it, but again, it just gets... It, it's, at, at this moment in time, I'm just trying to finish it. Yeah. 'Cause I think I've got one more episode of each of these two. That was really it. I didn't really have time for anything else but the h-

Sidey: Fair enough

Cris: the films that I had to watch for the pod.

Sidey: So I watched- He

Reegs: Sorry, he said it was a nightmare. Don't ... Right, if you need to stop and we go, then do it, but he said it was a nightmare editing everything back together last week with people going in and out, was saying. If you need to stop.

Sidey: What, for a piss?

Dan: No, I was just asking if you wanted a cup of tea.

Reegs: Oh, right. Oh, I thought you were saying time out. Sorry. Sorry, sorry. No yeah, all right, actually. For fuck's sake.

Cris: I was hoping you're gonna piss yourself here- No ... in front of all of us.

Reegs: I thought you ... sorry, I thought you wanted to stop. Go on, Si. What are you, ... Oh, your second date. Thank

Sidey: I watched Apex.

Reegs: All right.

Sidey: Theron. Charlize Theron and Taron Egerton. Mm. See

Reegs: Mm. Do

Sidey: that's on Netflix, on Netters. What, what, what was it about?

Reegs: She must be, like, a foot taller than

Sidey: Yeah. You see him naked, though. Him? Yeah. Abs, ab shot. Yeah, he's really buff in this. Nice. She's,

Cris: he's not very tall though.

Sidey: is he? No.

Reegs: No, he's not. He's, like, f- my

Sidey: She is- All right ... an extreme sports enthusiast who kills Eric Bana right at the start. And h- you know, you're thinking, "Wow, this is a big star to die in the last, first five minutes." Like that. thing. In a, in a big climbing sequence. And then she like later on, you know, while she's dealt with her trauma, she goes do some extreme sports in Australia. And she gets harassed by some locals, and Taron Egerton steps in to help. And you're like, "Well, he's gonna be the psycho one, isn't he?" Yeah, he is. So it's Predator. He ch- he basically captures her and then says, "Right, you've got to the end of this song to get as far away as you can, and I'm gonna chase you with this crossbow." All right. And,

Reegs: his thing,

Sidey: That's his thing, yeah ... likes to hunt them? And then it turns out he's fucking killed, like, fucking loads of people in the outback. Right. And she has to find a way to w- with her extreme sports expertise, like go- Like a survivor

Reegs: away from ... And he's the apex

Sidey: predator. Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping- He does ... He swings across into some water, like in the bath, and you see his ass, and he's like super, super buff. No dick though, unfortunately. Oh, Yeah, it was a shame. We can- I would give it a moderate recommend. Yeah.

Reegs: I keep seeing it being pushed at me

Sidey: Yeah, it's their, like, big latest release, isn't it? Yeah. yeah, they're, they're pushing that hard. Should we crack on with our top five vigilantes?

Cris: Let's.

Reegs: break some

Dan: Fuck yeah.

Sidey: yeah. Top five vigilantes.

Cris: Yeah. In, in, in cinema, as they say.

Sidey: got all kinds. All right, Chris, go on then.

Cris: Well, there there are quite a few of them. I, I think this is quite a rich theme in, in films and, and stuff. There's, there's quite a few of them and, and I'm not gonna mention all of them. The first one that I thought about... And obviously it comes from the, the Eliot Ness, as I said- Mm ... shooting first- Yeah ... before someone draws a gun, things like that. The first one that I thought about was Law Abiding Citizen. With obviously a friend of the pod, Gerry.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: E-Elliot Ness in The Untouchables, you mean, around midweek

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: Yes.

Cris: Sorry. Yes. Yeah, sorry. And but, but the, the one that I had in mind was A Law Abiding Citizen. Yeah Because he's, he's not a police officer. He's not a cop. He's not an FBI agent. He's a-

Reegs: It has one of the most... Is that the, it has like a really brutal scene where his wife and kid are,

Cris: At the beginning of the film, yeah.

Reegs: get- ... raped and killed, like- Yeah

Cris: raped and murdered That's Yeah. Raped and murdered- It's really- ... while, while he's on his way out to because he gets injected with

Reegs: Yeah ... sedative Oh, it's good, man.

Cris: It's brilliant. He goes completely- Oh, it's

Reegs: unhinged and he, he turns out to be a complete maniac. If I remember correctly, he's an architect, isn't he?

Cris: he? He is-

Reegs: the prison that

Cris: is well, not only an architect. He is a, a inventor. Yeah. He has the- Engineer ... engineer. He has patents for different things- Yeah and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But-

Reegs: But- He, he basically runs a sort of cr- a, a vigilante crusade from within prison- Yes basically as you find out at the end of

Cris: At the end of the film, yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's a great cast as well. It's Gerard Butler, Jamie Foxx. Yeah and some other people. It's, I really- It's good ... I really like the film, and especially because it's one of those revenge films where it's- It's brutal ... a- and it's, it's brutal. Like, he is... And, and there's a really, really great scene where Jamie Foxx and his the, he's a... and the district attorney from whatever the city is. DA. Yeah, the the guy goes like, "We're gonna meet someone. Grab your coat." And they meet someone in the, in the tube station. And the guy's like, "Look, before we speak, I was never here, and this never happened." And he's like, "All right, so you know Clyde." "Yeah, I know Clyde." He's like, "So," he's like, "Look, you put him in prison. It's because he wants to be there. This guy's a born tactician." He's like, "We... The best example I can give you, we had Mr. Bad Guy. We'd been tracking him for months. We tried to kill him. Nothing worked. We call in Clyde. He invents a device that goes into his tie, strangles the guy." Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: goes home. And that's how we get him." He's like, "If you think you put him in prison, it's because he wants to be there." And there's a scene in, where he's in prison where he, he, he, he orders a T-bone steak.

Reegs: last meal. That's- He's being executed, isn't he? They give him his

Sidey: meal. Well,

Cris: He says, "A favor for a favor." I'll tell you, because he, because when his wife gets killed, all the people involved, there's only one that gets put on death row. Everyone else- Everybody ... the lawyer, the partner, the everyone

Reegs: gets- He wants everybody who was

Cris: in, the murder ... and, and he, the judge, everyone. And he has the lawyer in a, in a kinda like in Seven, in a, in a ditch, in a hole in the ground, but on a certain time. And he's like, "Look, you d- make deals with murderers. I'm in prison." I want a bed and I want a steak from Tino's or whatever, and they, they cater. I want asparagus, I want this, I want that. And they're late and he gets the meal. He eats the steak, but it's a T-bone steak, and he stabs his... With the bone, he stabs his cellmate- Yeah ... in the neck to be put in solitary, which we find out at the end he wants to be in solitary. Right. Because

Reegs: He built himself an escape route years earlier. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: getting so mad by this point, honestly. Yeah. It's, like, gone off the rails and, and he's, like, mega acting at this point as well, and sc- gone completely mental,

Dan: thinking Gerard Butler. He's,

Sidey: careful what you say, we could lose a listener

Dan: here. Well, just the name. like, you know- Gerard

Sidey: B Gerard

Dan: Butler. He sounds like a butler. Like, that's what you call a butler,

Reegs: a butler. He butles. Gerard- Gerard the butler.

Dan: yeah, Gerard the Butler. Okay, I might check that out then. I

Reegs: it's good. I

Cris: Yes. It sounds-

Dan: Yeah ... it sounds very vigilante. There was a film we did for the pod a little while ago that when I was doing my deep research for this theme, it made me think of Bob Odenkirk playing Hutch Mansell- Yeah ... in Nobody.

Cris: Oh yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. And there's- another one that's... Sorry,

Sidey: 2, yeah.

Cris: Number 2 out.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah, I've seen two. Not as good.

Reegs: I didn't like it as much.

Dan: No. But this one was, really surprisingly good because he's not that, you know, buff. He's not that, He

Sidey: We don't have him painted as an action movie star, like, do

Dan: seen as an action... But he's, he- he's an operative who just doesn't give up, and he's got a load of tricks. He's a family man at heart that is trying to play things very cool and keeping under wraps the-

Reegs: It's a quest for his- ... shit he wants to do ... daughter's bracelet, isn't it? Something like that.

Dan: Yeah. Well, it, it... I

Reegs: basically what drives him on this,

Dan: Yeah. He's... It's it's... They get robbed, and you go through this scene what would've happened, but in fact he, he gets called, like, a you know, a coward by his son and everything- Yeah ... who he's saying, "No, no, just let him have it." Yes, the bracelet kinda goes. But there's one scene on a bus where it's such a good scene. He goes full vigilante mode really in the fact that he's just using all the, the different areas of the bus and the, the poles that you, you sort of hold your hand on to walk down as the bus is moving and everything, and swinging around

Reegs: a ticking people. I can still remember how painful some of it looks. It was. The teeth fly in- Yeah, he just- ... and elbows

Dan: yeah, he just- ... and elbows in the face You know, pain. Yeah. It doesn't register in the same way as other people, and I think he ends up ... Does he put a straw through the guy's neck

Reegs: It's something like that. The blonde guy that he

Dan: There's something that happens ... like that he mentions right at the beginning Which son of the, the badass gangster. And it

Reegs: as well, I liked that he had that tattoo that that guy recognized- Yeah ... and it's like in The Simpsons with Moe, where he suddenly, like, locks the door, like, moves away. That's right.

Dan: They see a, a tattoo of, like, a, a devil playing cards or something, and they're going, "No, I'm gonna lock away. I've seen that before. These guys don't stop. They're badasses." Yeah.

Cris: Nice.

Reegs: gonna go with a pair of '70s movies that we did on this pod. The first was Death Wish, 1974, Charles Bronson, Michael Winner's- Charling. Yeah ... movie about how good it is to go around killing Black people.

Cris: It's quite good,

Reegs: I enjoyed that ... yeah, it was g- it was great. It was good fun. He enjoyed that. Completely at odds with the source material, which was sort of arguing against this exact form of vigilante justice. He was Paul Kersey. His wife, as they always are, murdered in a

Sidey: Who was in the gang? It was Jeff Goldblum or

Reegs: Goldblum. Yeah. Yeah. And he kind of gets a death wish, as he says. Goes wandering the park with, like, a bag of nickels in his pocket if- Yeah ... and, like, suddenly starting to get a gun and all that sort of stuff. And then at the end, it sort of cheerfully moved on to another city isn't it? He's kind of smiling- Yeah ... like, "Yeah, let's go and clean up this place."

Dan: That's right, yeah. Getting a

Reegs: and he's let go by the sort of justice system. They decide it's too hard to prosecute him, just move him on, and then it spawned a load of sequels and a remake with Bruce Willis

Cris: Yes, it's amazing in 2008. Where he's a skater in Venice Beach.

Reegs: Yeah. And, yeah.

Cris: he just kinda goes on a skateboard and

Sidey: up, children?

Reegs: called? Eli Roth. did That one.

Sidey: Is he rad?

Reegs: He's rad, yeah. Yeah. I've not seen that. Pucci. Nice. Yeah.

Sidey: Oh, it's brilliant.

Reegs: Death Wish.

Cris: Honestly, it's

Sidey: brilliant. I need to check that out.

Reegs: And then the other '70s one that we did was one that you got us to watch, Rolling Thunder.

Sidey: Oh, yeah. Oh.

Reegs: that was Paul Schrader,

Sidey: You gotta learn to love the, love the whip.

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: Love

Dan: whip. Love the whip.

Reegs: They were the, they came back from 'Nam, didn't

Sidey: they? Yeah. That's

Dan: right, yeah. Sort of changed men. And, and the whip was

Reegs: loved by their country

Dan: punishment they had in Vietnam, and it-

Cris: a POW every

Dan: every time I went into the cold plunge,

Sidey: yeah, he used to say that. Gotta love the whip

Dan: cold plunge, it was like, it just, it was so hard getting in. You just, like, you gotta learn to love the whip. He

Reegs: his hand cut off, doesn't he? And he gets a hook put in there, and then him and Tommy Lee Jones it was Tommy Lee Jones in it, and he's really fucking menacing. At the end they just go to that brothel whorehouse and just kill everyone

Dan: you, if you-

Reegs: I think it's another one, isn't it? Where- Would

Dan: get? A hook or would you

Sidey: a- I wouldn't spoon my hubby with cooking dinner, I

Dan: A wooden spoon.

Sidey: to go in for

Cris: No, I would get a, I would get a, a, a pan mixer.

Sidey: Oh, okay. Potatoes, A, maybe a grater. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah ... yeah, okay.

Reegs: okay. For a power drill, 'cause I would finally do some, like,

Sidey: yeah. right.

Dan: Yeah. Vroom, vroom, vroom.

Cris: DIY, yeah. Vroom, vroom, vroom.

Reegs: time. But that was really good. The- by a pair of those '70s, they must have loved the vigilante in the '70s. They must have been thinking about it.

Sidey: Batman.

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: The masked man himself.

Sidey: does feel like murder of someone close to you is a good motivator- Mm. For vigilantism. Yeah.

Reegs: If it's not your wife and kids, it's your parents.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause the one-- the Law Abiding Citizen one reminded me of the outlaw Josie Wales, his wife and kids are all burnt by a load of bandits, and he goes off. Dude, that's a great film. But I was thinking of Batman.

Dan: Yeah, nobody goes vigilante

Sidey: Just for lols ...

Dan: lols ...just

Cris: lols ... just for I've, I've got now

Reegs: a couple of that are

Dan: lol, vigilante lols.

Sidey: money maybe, just, just for pure mercenary effect. But Batman, yeah, he's superhero, in inverted commas. The superness is that he's super, super wealthy. So I think he's also good at fighting and stuff. But he doesn't have any like super, superpowers. He can't fly or do anything like that. No. Yeah. Yeah. But he goes around, you know, cleaning up the streets by just being clever,

Reegs: he's the world's greatest detective as well as

Sidey: He's a good detective- Yeah ... but he's also good at fighting and dishing out some violence as Well,

Reegs: Well, mostly it's about operating outside the

Sidey: isn't it? Yeah. Vigilantism, So where the police, you know, where they're like, a bit like Elliot Ness is saying, you know, "I've gotta stick to the law." What you're prepared to... Well, Batman and these people are prepared to go and do the extra- stuff. But they have to

Dan: motivated. Nobody does it for their mother-in-law, do

Sidey: don't- No, I wouldn't do shit for her

Dan: any

Cris: wouldn't do that,

Sidey: No.

Dan: vigilantes for that. that. You've gotta be motivated.

Cris: but there is a, a film that I know we all adore is the Boondock Saints. Or the Boondock Saints. Yeah. Yeah. And they go to be vigilantes for not really... But

Sidey: Religious reasons? money,

Cris: but they don't really... They, they kind of accidentally beat those-

Reegs: They're told to in a dream or something, though, as well, aren't they? To go and- Do something?

Cris: I think that's more the, the Billy Connolly kind of in their head, like a prayer thing. Yeah. But I think they just fight these Russian dudes at the beginning, and they end up killing them. And then they just kind of stumble upon the next meeting of the Russian boss or whatever, and they go through that really shit scene where they go through the extractor. Yeah,

Sidey: I know. But

Cris: the extractor, the, what do you call it? The ventilation. Mm. Right? And they fall into the room- Yeah ... and they start shooting everyone

Reegs: all the bullets miss them

Cris: perfectly between the, the eyes. And, and then they find the suitcase full of money, and they've got the, the idiot Italian mate with the hair that... Jafar. Oh, we need to fuck with him. I, I pretty... I quite actually like that scene where their mate shows up as a room service guy after they shot everyone- Yeah ... with a six shooter, and there's eight people in the room. And they're like, "We gotta fuck with him." And they just pull him down, and they're like- There's eight people, Jafar. What are you gonna do with the last two of them? Laugh them to death? Anyway, so yeah. That ... And they are vigilantes for no reason. They just kill all the mafia associated people in whatever town they are. Yeah. Boston maybe.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah,

Reegs: think so. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: And they ...It's got Willem Dafoe in it, that film, so I, I love Willem Dafoe. And apparently he's got a massive dick.

Dan: Willem.

Cris: Okay,

Sidey: okay. Willy.

Dan: Willy, Willy. Willy or won't he? Do you know vigilante parties are really shit?

Reegs: Why? On

Dan: justice is,

Sidey: are.

Dan: Yeah. It's, it's pretty bad.

Reegs: pickings, innit?

Sidey: Ice? Justice. Justice.

Reegs: Just-Ice-

Dan: just ice justice.

Reegs: It's really more of a kind of visual one- Bob, Bob McCool that one here. Sorry?

Dan: Bob McCall.

Reegs: Bob McCool.

Dan: What does that mean to you? If I say Bobby, Bobby McCall, Robert

Reegs: Robert McCall. McCall.

Cris: Is that a Western? Robert

Dan: Bobbit. It's Denzel. He's the Equalizer. Oh,

Cris: yes.

Dan: And, Yeah ... you know, he, he's the guy that will time you o- on his watch and think you've got 16 seconds. I will-

Reegs: What was his back- ... mess you up ... he was like ex-CIA, was he, or

Sidey: Some sort of

Dan: done three of these. Of course it was the great E. Wawooroo Edward Woodward, if you

Sidey: Less... He was less violent ... take

Dan: the Ds out the name. That was a classic joke, wasn't it? Would you- you know? E. Wawooroo.

Reegs: Ewah Ruwa

Dan: it was his influence that made The Equalizer take this form under Denzel, who took it to another yeah, really violent. He gets his own particular brand of violence. works on his own a lot of the time. He doesn't wanna, you know, work for, for money. It's pride really that motivates

Reegs: Is it the first or second one where he's working at, like B&Q, and he clubs that guy to death with a hammer that

Sidey: First

Cris: the first

Reegs: the first

Sidey: back.

Reegs: He puts it back, cleans it, and puts it back on the shelf.

Dan: gives it a little wipe. Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. It's, it's company property. It's not, it's not about that.

Dan: Yeah. That's,

Cris: That's, I would say sorry to interject, but Man on Fire, also with Denzel.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: a new thing of that as...

Reegs: There's a TV series, is there? Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: Well, no, but that, that's a film that I've seen a few years ago. That's- that's not-

Sidey: They've re- I think they've rehashed it as a series. Yeah ... Oh, right.

Cris: That is kind of a vigilante thing, right? He, he looks after this girl, and Mark Anthony is in that film

Reegs: Oh, yeah.

Sidey: Oh, of J.Lo fame ... he was in The Bodyguard. Yeah. Wow, okay.

Reegs: He was the

Cris: Yes. he? he goes to Mexico

Sidey: to Mexico and he- Wasn't he at Brooklyn's and thingy's wedding? the Marc Anthony? Marc Anthony. He, he was like dishing out the the gossip on like what,

Dan: On the

Reegs: Beckham's On Posh doing an inappropriate dance with- Yeah, slot dropped. Yeah, she slot dropped, and he was so embarrassed.

Sidey: Yeah. Amazing, yeah. Really. So

Cris: not much of a vigilante though, but that, that- film- Yeah ... he was in as an actor. Yeah. And he... And Denzel,

Dan: But it- Yeah ... there's three of them, and there's a, another couple similar on m- on my list, but I'll I'll hear your one first, Si.

Reegs: your ones first, Si. Well, I... Thank you, Dan-ey. Danny. Yeah, I've got a couple of ones that sort of try to examine what would happen if you actually tried to do this be a vigilante. What kind of person would do it? In Kick-Ass, Mark Millar's comic that was- Yeah ... adapted into a movie, had Aaron Taylor-Johnson or a- just Aaron Johnson.

Sidey: Taylor-Johnson.

Reegs: Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Dave

Sidey: be Bond, isn't

Reegs: big role in the- Lizewski, who in the comics, he almost did have a kind of superpower, and that was to get battered. Like he, he could get beaten up and kind of take a bit of

Sidey: a- Another beater ... battering,

Cris: basically. Yeah, he's another bleeder. We got another one?

Reegs: heal a little bit quickly, so... But yeah, the, the movie was a Matthew Vaughn thing, and it was right at the right time to kind of deconstruct a little bit some of the stuff that was going on with superhero movies. So I remember it making quite a good impression with Nic Cage as the- Mm ... Batman parody, and the big breakout star I think was Chloë Grace Moretz as Hit-Girl. Certainly

Sidey: That's what you cunts can do.

Reegs: it. Yeah. Yeah. A really good character, and yeah, it spawned a really fucking awful sequel. And Super, did you ever see this one? James Gunn's one. Rainn Wilson. This was just- He's like a kind of basically mentally ill kind of, you know, chef basically who just sews together his own outfit and takes a wrench out onto the streets and tries to find a mugging, and he's like, you know, "Shut up, crime," with his wrench. And he also gets battered a lot. He has sex with Elliot Page. Well, Ellen Page as she was then, but Elliot Page as he is now.

Sidey: now. Yeah.

Cris: Was that good?

Reegs: It's James Gunn, so, it's like-

Cris: the sex, not the film. Yeah,

Reegs: the sex bit is quite horny actually- Okay ... 'cause she's just well into him because he's a- Yeah, basically. Yeah. And she... That's, like, really turns her on. Yeah. But mostly

Cris: a wrench just,

Reegs: like he just, he smacks this guy with a wrench, and it's like brutally horrible. Like, the guy's like gibbering and you know, it's like shown really realistically, and it is- Okay ... sort of a, you know, you don't feel like he's a very nice character or that these are very good events to happen, so,

Dan: Yeah, vigilantism.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: I'm gonna go with Angel, the series. So the Buffy spin

Reegs: The Buffyverse.

Sidey: Yeah. Angel was a vampire who... And he was p- renowned for being particularly cruel and horrible vampire, and now he's sort of a detective/vigilante as a penance and as a kind of redemption arc. I didn't like this series as much as I liked Buffy, but, It's still good, and David Boreanaz was hot as

Reegs: well. Mm.

Sidey: Mm-hmm. The Buffy thing died. It was coming back and was, was killed off.

Dan: Mm. Never really got into it. My sister

Sidey: got as far as doing a pilot f- with, you know, Sarah Michelle Gellar and everyone in it, and then it just got fucking shitcanned. Shitcanned. Yeah. So I would've, I would've watched. And then I had another superhero one, which was The Punisher. I really like the Jon- Oh,

Reegs: which one though? I

Sidey: I really like the Jon Bernthal one. All the, the long Dolph one's fun.

Reegs: I like the Ray Stevenson one as well. War Zone I think it's called. Just really over the top.

Sidey: 'Cause he's back as well, the Jon Bernthal one. Yeah, he is. And the, I haven't seen any of the new Daredevil stuff, but- No I really liked him in that. There's some great stabbing, some good sound effects in the original Marvel series of that. I think

Reegs: was Thomas Jane played one, didn't he? The, The Punisher.

Sidey: Yeah. And then do you remember Michael Caine, 2009? Harry Brown. Harry Brown. Yeah. He's like a pensioner

Dan: Blow the fucking doors off.

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: Oh, yeah. He's a, like a marine or

Sidey: in it. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah ... yeah, yeah,

Sidey: yeah, okay. It's a l- maybe a little bit... Well, they call it Death Wish for the tea and cardigan demographic. Yeah, nice.

Reegs: Yeah, yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Okay. And I'm, it's just my nom to go.

Cris: There's a franchise which started as a low-budget originals 1979 film with a friend of the pod and especially a friend of Riggs' people.

Sidey: Mel Gibson? Yeah.

Reegs: Are we talking about Mad Max 1979? Yeah.

Cris: That is a proper vigilante, right? His family gets killed. He gets angry- Yeah ... and

Dan: There is no law, though, really. I mean,

Reegs: Yeah, but it's less of the apocalyptic-y landscape- It's

Cris: It's not that, that, yeah.

Reegs: so crazy into it.

Sidey: the first one. Yeah, yeah.

Cris: it, it, it-- I think that's the more, the more kinda close to reality than, than- Apocalypse.

Dan: Ma- made me think a little bit of the first Rambo there really, is you've- Oh, yeah ... got young John Rambo misunderstood from the Vietnam War- Mm um, being seen as a bit of a, a vigilante. Right.

Sidey: hair. Unbelievable hair.

Cris: Oh, yeah. Brilliant. Yeah.

Dan: Did you hear about the vigilante who wanks a lot? Yeah. He takes No. matter into his own

Sidey: hands. I made that

Reegs: in the intro about

Dan: but it's better. It's all about timing.

Sidey: Got

Dan: got,

Cris: Sorry, I'm gonna say one more because we've done this for the pod. Oh, yeah And we-- There's, there can't be a, a, a, a pod nomination or a, or a top five without Clint Eastwood. Yeah. High Plains Drifter

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Or Unforgiven. Or,

Reegs: Torino.

Sidey: Yeah. I was... W- Josey Wales is is the one. Okay. But, you know, yeah, High Plains Drifter is

Cris: Because we've done it for the pod then- Yeah ... it, it's almost like a where did he come from? Was he

Reegs: Where did he go?

Cris: Where did he go?

Reegs: did he come

Sidey: Joe, yeah.

Cris: what is the point of all this? And I, sorry, I had to say that, and I've got my nom, so you can... Sorry.

Dan: Okay. My nom was Clint Eastwood. No. Robin Hood is your- Yeah ... your classic kind of, vigilante

Reegs: rich, give to the poor

Dan: That's it. There was also a, a guy who had a particular set of skills. Yeah. Liam Neeson he was a

Reegs: a vi- well, I suppose he

Sidey: was He was. retired. He was, out, he was out of

Reegs: matters into his own

Dan: his own hands. He ransacked it, yeah, yeah. He took matters... Yeah. You know?

Cris: Above the law as well ... he did And he did, he did find them

Dan: And he will kill them. And he killed them. Yeah, he will find them, and he will kill them, and he became very quotable. The Purge, I don't know if you remember that

Sidey: Is this when it's like

Dan: like the whole community be-

Sidey: where you can do

Dan: Yeah, the whole community went vigilante, like where... I don't know. I mean, maybe that worked within the law. But that was, that was one. Dirty Harry obviously, Yeah ... went a bit vigilante as well. And Oldboy that Korea, South Korean film where he, the guy's lo- He's been waiting ... Well, he's, he's locked up 15 years and he just goes- Yeah ... fucking crazy after that 'cause he doesn't understand who's done it, and he takes matters into his own hands to, to find out who the hell has locked him up for the last 15 years. Yeah. So, there's a couple in there, and I've just got my nom, which I might as well go 'cause

Cris: Yeah, you can go for it. Um It's, it's

Dan: already- it's the only female that I've heard o- on,

Reegs: on- Ooh, which one have you got?

Dan: So I've got Inglourious Basterds. Okay. And it's the, the girl, I think her name's Shosanna.

Cris: Shosanna. Shosanna.

Dan: Shosanna. And she goes,

Sidey: c- the cinema?

Dan: Yeah. She, she just torches the cinema with old films, and she goes up in flames. She doesn't even make it out herself. No. But she takes down Hitler, and Himmler, and Goebbels-

Sidey: Goebbels and the lot, yeah. And all

Dan: and all the rest of them in a, a huge cinema fire. In

Cris: of glory.

Dan: a

Sidey: of Which wasn't actually what happened.

Dan: No,

Cris: Yeah. That's quite sad, isn't it? That- Yeah ... that didn't happen like that, but-

Dan: it's a, it's a, it's a good ending though, isn't it, for,

Sidey: So- They're just machine gunning Hitler. Yeah. Just like ground beef, like... Yeah.

Reegs: ground beef, like...

Sidey: gonna add

Reegs: Horrible.

Dan: So there. I'm gonna... I'm gonna add that one in.

Reegs: in. A couple of quick side noms. Another female for the list was Ellen Page again. Oh, God, now I'm getting myself in dodgy territory. Elliot Page. But-

Sidey: Hard Candy or

Reegs: their debut, Hard Candy. Your mate Patrick Wilson that

Sidey: you-

Reegs: never remember- Yeah, yeah ... the name of, is a pedo. And

Cris: that another euphemism? Hard candy.

Reegs: No. It's explicitly about a 32-year-old man luring a 14-year-old girl to his house, and

Cris: hard candy?

Reegs: Yeah. But then

Sidey: you like a sweetie?

Reegs: Yeah. But then him getting quite brutally, horribly having his testicles surgically removed with a scalpel, actually, is what she does. In case you're interested in that. Wow ... I Spit On Your Grave. Do you remember that? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Sidey: yeah. Very nasty.

Reegs: classic exploitation film. Sure. A real nasty... ebert, Roger Ebert, the critic, called it a vile film with no artistic merit whatsoever, which of course guaranteed it an audience for the rest of time. But- I agree. I agree.

Cris: no point for that film.

Reegs: And then Promising Young Woman featuring Carey Mulligan-

Sidey: Oh, yeah. Yeah

Reegs: I talked about earlier. She u- her thing was pretending to be drugged and luring men and then yeah. It was a confusing one, that one. I liked it. I'm gonna make my nom though, which is... I think it probably is a bit cliché, but I was gonna go for Travis Bickle.

Dan: I think Ta- Taxi

Reegs: Paul Schrader obviously had a thing about vigilantism. We already talked about that in Rolling Thunder, and Travis Bickle is the ultimate one. He goes on a f- a justice-fueled rampage through New York.

Dan: New York. He does indeed. On behalf of Jodie Foster's

Reegs: prostitute.

Dan: Nobody's mentioned John Wick yet.

Sidey: Well, he still kind of works for a organization.

Cris: I, I'm-

Reegs: more a target. He's... He would like... If everybody would just leave him alone, he'd just be sat, like-

Sidey: would. With his dog,

Reegs: with his dog, yeah.

Dan: he would.

Sidey: would. Toxic Avenger. Avenger stuff- Yeah ... toxically.

Reegs: I saw the new one.

Sidey: Oh, really? Is it really bad?

Reegs: Yeah, it's not good. I, I'm afraid it was not very good.

Sidey: be afraid.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Okay. But my nom is gonna be Miss Marple. Yeah. She, she's like a- That's the last three. No, that's separate. That's, that's Murder She Wrote,

Reegs: Oh,

Sidey: Yeah, I'm going for Miss Marple, the original, you know, nosy old biddy body who's solving crimes. She doesn't murder anyone or anything. That's right.

Reegs: what was she? Was she,

Sidey: She's not affiliated to the law. No. She's just getting stuck into other people's business and solving.

Reegs: Was her thing she was just nosy? Yeah. She wasn't, like, an author or something? 'Cause Murder She Wrote- Murder

Sidey: Murder She Wrote, that,

Reegs: an author, and she would always get wound up in these schemes that were going along. Miss Marple, she was just a fucking busybody.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Miss Marple,

Reegs: hated that character, and I hate her even more now.

Dan: now.

Sidey: So that, she's in. She's going in. So we need one more vigilante- Yeah ... for the list.

Reegs: gonna be better than Miss Marple.

Sidey: I doubt it.

Cris: I have a nom there though.

Sidey: Oh, I thought you didn't do your... Oh, were you far away? Yeah.

Reegs: what you got.

Cris: No. I was gonna give a, a question mark for Sherlock Holmes.

Sidey: Yeah. I've, I've, I've got him on my list, but I didn't,

Cris: that's a question mark because he's still a detective So

Sidey: He's a consulting detective. Yeah

Cris: doesn't really operate within the bounds of the law, but he is still-

Sidey: He's on the gear as well ... in... Yeah, which is- Yeah ... you know,

Cris: great stuff. But, but he's known by Lestrade and all these- yeah ... fucking dicks. But I'm... I keep coming back to this film quite frequently. V- V from Vendetta ... V from V from Vendetta. Yeah. I- i- it doesn't get more vigilante than

Reegs: that, really. Yeah. Well, it, it even starts with a V.

Cris: Exactly. The, the, the V for vigilante, not necessarily for Vendetta. But I don't have to go through this again because we've all seen it. I, I love that film. Yeah. I think it's amazing, and I've watched it numerous times. It inspired all these idiots with the mask and

Sidey: Anonymous, really great, yeah

Cris: all that. But, as a

Reegs: Oh, they d- they, they stole the aesthetic,

Sidey: they, Yeah I

Cris: it's- Well, no, yeah. But okay, sorry, it didn't inspire them, but you know what I mean though. And i- I, I have to say, every time I watch it, I love the way the guy Mr. Anderson. Hu- Hugo, which I don't... I still can't believe that he's Australian.

Reegs: Believe it.

Cris: Well-

Sidey: it's unfortunate, but it's

Dan: have

Sidey: I do

Cris: 'cause I quite like him. But the way he speaks, he speaks really, really nice. But not the stuff that I don't really understand with the loads of Vs and all that, but yeah, V for Vendetta and V from V

Dan: If anyone from Australia there, consider yourself insulted. Speaks really nice. Yeah.

Sidey: insulted. Sh-

Dan: Okay.

Sidey: really nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Okay. Straight into the movie so we can get the second half in? what the score is. It's one and a half. It's one at half ...

Dan: have I

Reegs: there been any kind of equalizer during

Dan: gonna get called a pig

Reegs: Okay, hang on. Well, let's turn these off so that we

Sidey: can- No, no, if, if you're just getting the guard, leave it on.

Dan: on. I'll leave it

Cris: You are a

Reegs: a freak of nature. Oh

Sidey: yeah,

Cris: Oh, yeah, the game's done.

Sidey: are amazing beams. Apparently, Everton just parking the bus, so now they're, now they want to down the front. Yeah. Can't believe

Reegs: Come on, Bournemouth.

Sidey: That, yeah.

Cris: I told you I don't see it. Pig. Pig! Oh, no, I can't see him,

Reegs: Think you'd like me to draw a cock and balls on this thing?

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Oh, that's the thing that the film stuff's in. It's fine. It's mine.

Dan: she was gonna catch me when she heard you

Reegs: calling her. Pig, yeah. Piglet. least- Piggy. Dan. Piggy Dan and his little piggy penis.

Dan: Thanks so much, Reech.

Reegs: Yeah,

Cris: Yeah, like, you're welcome. So should we carry on? Finish?

Sidey: The... We don't need to because it's the same- Right ... continuous girl.

Reegs: This movie was called Chuck in the US.

Sidey: amazing, 'cause they thought The Bleeder was a horror film. Yeah. Or they thought that they might think that it was-

Reegs: I, I would never watch a movie called Chuck, I don't

Sidey: think, I think that's a worse title. Yeah. And also it sounds like Chucky from fucking- Yeah.

Cris: Yeah, why

Sidey: Child's Play.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: You bleeder. I always used get called that as a kid. Like, "Oh, you little bleeder." You little

Reegs: little bleeder. Yeah. Kick around

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: around the ear.

Reegs: But that is not really what it means in this context. This is a, a passion project from Liev Schreiber- Yeah ... to bring to the screen the story of Chuck Wepner, the real-life inspiration for Sylvester Stallone's screenplay for Rocky. Yeah.

Sidey: Stacked cast in this.

Reegs: this. Yes. We've got Naomi Watts.

Sidey: Liev Schreiber, Elisabeth Moss.

Reegs: Moss. Yeah,

Sidey: Perlman. Ron Perlman.

Reegs: Perlman. There's some other good ones. Michael Rapaport, everybody loves him at the moment.

Sidey: I assumed it was the real Muhammad Ali and Sylvester Stallone 'cause they looked so

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: may not have looked like them, but they did sound... The guy who

Sidey: Stallone one

Reegs: Inspector Morgan, I think his name was, the voice was uncanny, that he did for Stallone. I'm

Cris: I'm pretty

Sidey: sure it was Stallone. Morgan

Cris: that... Was it not Stallone that did the voice?

Sidey: the voiceover?

Cris: I'm pretty sure. No, it

Reegs: Morgan Spe- it was S- Inspector Morgan, Morgan Spector, whatever. It

Dan: Stall- Morgan, Morgan Spence, whatever. I'm not sure

Sidey: Yeah. I did think that. To take his place. Anyhow, we start off forward in time a bit.

Reegs: a bit. Well, it's some archival footage, actually of Wepner boxing, and then there's a quote. Yeah. It says, "Hey, who, who cares about me yesterday, huh? Nobody." And then it's attributed to

Sidey: Yeah

Reegs: And then,

Sidey: He's getting his gloves done

Reegs: he's getting his gloves done. Yeah, and he's with Jim Gaffigan, his friend John.

Sidey: Yeah. And the guy, there's like some guy just, like, giving him a

Reegs: Plying him with alcohol.

Dan: "Oh, this guy invented the wet T-shirt." Yeah.

Sidey: And then, and then when it comes to the fight, he's like- The wet T-shirt competition ... "Just don't... Nothing in the face." And he's like, "What are you gonna tell him that?" And he's like, "Just nothing in the face." And then it,

Reegs: You

Sidey: pans- He comes back to a fucking grizzly.

Reegs: it's a grizzly bear that he's fighting, yeah. it. I, I think we've already seen... had a little bit of... There's a lot of narration in this movie- Yeah ... and we've already had a bit of Chuck himself, Liev Schreiber, saying,

Sidey: well, he's announced into the ring in this one as the guy that went 15 rounds with Ali.

Reegs: Ali. He says, "You don't know me, but... You don't know that you know me, but you do know me." Yeah. And then they show footage of... like, actual footage of the guy running, and it's like Rocky, isn't it? Yeah. He's running along the road in a hoodie and he's a local sort of celebrity

Dan: The Bleeder of- Bayonne ... of

Sidey: Yeah. And then he, he narrates it, and he says, "This bit is definitely true," where he's like gonna fight a fucking

Dan: grizzly bear. But they, they... I did watch a little bit of Wepner fighting Muhammad Ali and a couple of interviews today. And he said that the bear did have a muzzle, and it had-

Cris: Mittens clipped

Dan: his... No, it clipped its claws. Oh, right. But it did go on top of him. At one point, he said its hair was like a fucking Brillo pad, and I was- Yeah just like red all over. It's so much. And the trainer had said to me, "Just, like, wave if, you know, you wanna get it off." But he said, "My hands were pinned under me-" Yeah ... as this fucking bear had gone on top of him. He said he just managed to get a hand out, and then he went. And it was for charity. He'd raised like 30, 35 grand for that. He did it again. He goes, "Oh, we did a good job." He raised another, like, 20 grand. But after about, like, 30 seconds, the bear threw me out, like literally threw me out the, the ring. And he said, "I think it recognized me, like, second time." The bear fucking knew me. It was the same bear. Victor the bear. He held a grudge and it'd thrown him out the into the table, and shit went everywhere, people's meals and everything, and the, referee's going, "Four."

Reegs: The ref. "Five." The ref. Yeah, yeah. The ref. Yeah. He's gonna stop him ... yeah ... the bear.

Dan: He's going, "Four." He's magical. "Five." And Wepner goes, "Six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I ain't going

Sidey: in, you know. It's not

Cris: in. It's

Dan: not crazy, but he goes, "You know, entertainment." But yeah, that's how it starts, and you realize this isn't a normal

Sidey: this is him, like, you know, almost in the sort of go... Oh, he's doing it for charity, but this is at the tail end of his- Absolutely, yeah ... inverted commas, career, boxing career. And n- and then we're gonna go back to see where he started

Reegs: Yeah, we go back to, like, the early '70s '73, '74, that sort of time. Because his big fight with Ali is '75, isn't it? So, he's like the big man on campus. You know, he's, he's a... He sells liquor. He goes-

Sidey: eight in the world.

Reegs: Yes. But he's basically a pretty much a club fighter- Yeah ... really.

Sidey: Yeah. He's got to work. He's still got a

Dan: it doesn't pay the bills- No ... being eighth in the world. You, you know, the money isn't in the game as it was as it is now even that kind of good-

Reegs: But his character, he's a compulsive flirt, like wherever he goes-

Sidey: I thought at first- ... there's women ... they try and show you that he's a good guy. He's like a family guy. He goes to watch the Rumble in the Jungle. Yeah. They got it on the local, like cinema. In the cinema. He d- he doesn't jump the queue. He just goes to the back of the queue and someone... And I'm like, "Oh, he's..." Yeah, and then he's like, no, as soon as he sees a bird, like he's all over them- Yeah ... in front of his wife.

Reegs: front of his wife, yeah. And they have already tried to show that he's q- supposed to be quite sweet, 'cause he ma- he writes these little poems- Oh, yeah ... and he slips them in her, her stuff and all that. And-

Sidey: He doesn't like the nickname The Bleeder, and a g- Yeah ... as he's going in to watch that fight, someone shouts, "Hey, Bleeder." And he's like-

Reegs: "What'd you call me?"

Sidey: He goes over, and then he starts flirting with the

Reegs: Really aggressively flirting

Sidey: this. He's really pissed. Yeah. And

Reegs: yeah. In fact, he'll go back later to try and fuck her,

Sidey: her. He... Yeah, after the, watching the thing at the cinema, he's like, "I just need to have a bit more time out-"

Dan: It's not a great nickname for a boxer though, is it? The Bleeder.

Reegs: Yeah. It... Well, as he'll say later about Muhammad Ali, "I tried to stop his fist with my face."

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah, after they've watched that fight, he says to his wife, "I'll just... I'm gonna stay out a little bit longer." She's like, "Okay." And then he... It cuts to him with the girl that he was flirting in the line with in the diner, and his wife comes in and just berates her. Yeah. Like he said, "No, no, no." He said, "You have done nothing wrong. It's him. He, he... Well, you're just the next in line." Like he was just going for the next

Reegs: clearly a

Sidey: part. Yeah. Yeah

Reegs: Also, as well, his favorite movie is Requiem for a Heavyweight, which he watches sort of religiously, knows every word to, and Anthony Quinn's performance, and he obviously doesn't miss the irony- Yeah of it being essentially describing his life. You know,

Sidey: was nearly the

Reegs: nearly the heavyweight champion. So, I really liked that scene in the coffee shop, by the way, the way that his wife comes in-

Sidey: yeah, she's good. Not

Reegs: I really think Elizabeth Moss is great.

Dan: she says, "No, don't get up. Don't get up you." might"

Cris: You might- Yeah. You might neatly hear this

Reegs: He wins a fight, doesn't he? And he's sort of up

Cris: there. He beats the Mormon something,

Reegs: The Storming Mormon. Yeah. Hinkie. Terry Hinkie. He's,

Dan: been cut, like, a couple of times in cuts that would get the fight stopped with a TKO

Reegs: There's that amazing

Sidey: over the wrong eye. Just

Reegs: Perlman just shows the doc the wrong eye. He's like, "Oh yeah, it's fine."

Sidey: He's, He's,

Dan: the he's the cut man. He's

Sidey: "I can't stop this one. You better fucking knock him out."

Dan: Exactly. "You, you need to finish this, like-" this next round because I can't stop the, the bleeding and that. So he goes all in, knocks this guy down. He goes-

Reegs: It's like, it's not very realistic at all, any of the boxing. They're more like Rocky than they are... But that's fine because it's not

Dan: real. Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah, and you don't get that much of it in the movie, to be

Reegs: It's not like watching Creed.

Sidey: No. So after- But that's the

Cris: there's not a lot of actual boxing. It's

Reegs: Not really ... a

Sidey: A lot more drug taking. outside- after

Reegs: after this, we get Don King calls up his manager, Ron Perlman, and he's basically- Al. Al. Big Al. And he wants

Sidey: big unit, Ron Perlman, isn't he?

Reegs: it? Yeah ... they, they, they're just trying to create m- a buzz around the fight, so they make it about race, and they want the top number one white guy, which happens to be Chuck.

Cris: Yeah, because in the top 10 everyone else is Black.

Sidey: Even the gym just look, just looks so

Cris: It says old school boxing or something like that, so it's like in the '70s that is old school boxing

Sidey: Yeah. And

Reegs: is... And they do get, like, a proper boxing trai- this is, like, professional now. They get- Yeah, they

Cris: they go

Reegs: moved upstate into a hotel. Well,

Dan: the first time that he'd ever had that luxury- Yeah ... because he was working, like, you know, one or two

Sidey: He's doing a liquor route where he just sells- He was a liquor- booze to the local bars.

Reegs: And tries to flirt with all the... I think he may have already met Linda. He does. She's

Sidey: She's the first one who's actually just like- Mormon ... he, he goes, "Oh, fuck me." And she goes, "Not in this lifetime." Yeah. And she means it. It's

Reegs: She's not actually that interested in him, which is, you

Sidey: know, It's Naomi

Reegs: else falls for him straight away.

Sidey: She's too big an actress though when you see her to know that she's not gonna come back later on.

Reegs: So but anyway, it starts getting into the Ali fight. We get a guy who doesn't look an awful lot like Ali, but sounds a hell of a lot like him- Yeah ... and some press

Dan: conference and stuff. And he, he got, like, $1.8 million, I think, for this fight, Ali, and Chuck got around about 100 grand. Yeah. Which was still big money in his boxing career. But it meant that for the first time, as mentioned, he, he got to be a full-time fighter and- Yeah ... take

Sidey: or whatever-

Reegs: bottle starts to go a little

Sidey: the questions are like, "This fight is a farce. Like, why would anyone come to watch? You're just, you know,

Dan: Oh, you're bummed. You're just,

Sidey: gonna get knocked out in no time at all." And he's like, "Well, you know, we'll see about that," and blah, blah, blah.

Dan: got a poem, isn't he, that he reads out and he gets interrupted by Ali, who just

Sidey: said you get cut all the time, and Ron Perlman says, "The only cut he needs to worry about is what I'm taking out of his paycheck."

Dan: of his paycheck."

Reegs: And they, Phyllis, his wife, they've been at sort of... No. Phyllis, his wife, has been out of the picture for a little while because of some of his dalliances, hasn't he? But Ron Perlman convinces her, and Jim Gaffigan

Dan: Gaffigan Would, would you call it dalliances? The- Dalliances? Yeah. Okay.

Sidey: Cheating.

Dan: Yeah, Yeah.

Reegs: And so they call her because his bottle goes a little bit in the moments before the fight basically,

Dan: it? He needs his Adrian.

Reegs: he thinks he's a bit,

Dan: adrian ... out of

Reegs: out of his depth So anyway, the, the fight happens. They portray it as pretty one-sided. Yeah. The knife

Dan: where he, he knocks him down. He's said to have actually stood on his foot.

Reegs: And there's a photo that they'll print later that seems to prove it as

Dan: That he... But he gets the knockdown. And- The referee calls it a knockdown ... ref- He delivers ... the, the referee calls it a knockdown.

Reegs: I mean, it basically is the end of Rocky, right? I mean, this fight. Because he fights pretty mu- he fights 15 rounds, and he's knocked down with a TKO with 10 seconds to go after putting the champ down. So he does lose the fight, but he's won everybody over- Yeah ... with his bravery and, putting on a great show and-

Dan: watched again the, the after-fight interview, the real one, and Ali looks like Ali, handsome pretty much untouched. And his face is just like a bloom of swirls- Yeah ... all

Sidey: Even my missus, it's like Homer when he's like, does

Dan: Yeah. But he's saying, you know, "I wasn't..." Ali saying, "I wasn't used to like..." You know, basically he's a real street brawler, you know. He was all the dirty tricks

Reegs: and- Well, and also I think he'd underestimated him a little bit, hadn't

Dan: he? Yeah, I, I think so. I mean, the guy could take a punch, and we- Yeah ... we see that in the first... When you first meet him, Wepner, when he's a kid.

Reegs: Yes ... someone takes his

Dan: ball off him, his basketball, and he gets up and wallops the guy back. And then he brings a, his friend in and- Yeah ... he be- ends up beating them both. And he goes, you

Reegs: a punch." Basically just 'cause he can take a punch.

Dan: Yeah. "I could take a punch." And,

Sidey: but this is where the trouble starts from now- Yeah ... after the fight

Reegs: Yeah, well, because Sylvester Stallone goes home straight away after the fight and writes Rocky pretty much, doesn't he? Yeah. And it comes out, and he realizes-

Sidey: Well, even just going home after the fight, everyone's like, "That was amazing." You know, no one expected him to go 15 rounds. Yeah. So every bar he goes into, everyone's buying him drinks.

Dan: Hey, champ. Ch- Yeah. Like he's- Yeah,

Sidey: you know.

Reegs: And the, and the Charles starts to come out, the cocaine- Yeah ... which he gets an appetite for pretty quickly. Yeah. so yeah. And then, so Sylvester Stallone releases the movie Rocky, and he watches it, and he's like, "Yeah, that's me." He's like, it's like the reflected glory of what's, what he sees- Yeah ... on screen. You know, never really putting the idea that it could be a sort of inspired by type thing, and it becomes like a, a sort of albatross for him really, the Rocky film in some ways. Although it propels him through this next part of his career.

Sidey: Well, he's just not getting any money for it either.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: So he's, he's a little bit embarrassed, I think, to admit that he doesn't want people to know that he's not getting any money for it, even though it's hi- his story effectively- Yeah ... on screen. Yeah, and he hits the club, doesn't he?

Reegs: doesn't he? He

Sidey: see him in a nightclub, and he says... he's... And someone's like, "Oh, hey, champ," blah, blah, blah. And he's like, "Oh, yeah, get this guy whatever he wants." And then someone's chatting to him, and he says, "Oh, well, you know, I... Stallone gave me the choice of either, you know, 1% of the take or 70,000, so I took 70,000," you know? And then Jim Gaffigan's then, like, mouthing off about that, and he's like, "Shut the fuck up. Like, I didn't actually get anything. I don't want people to know my business," whatever. So he's kind of, like, trading off this, like, f- literally, like, just a fake life.

Dan: Yeah

Sidey: Cashing checks he ain't... He can't, you know, afford. Yeah. But they... He, he, he gets to a point where he's, he's now, like, ringing Universal Studios- Yeah ... to try and, you know, get Stallone to take a call.

Reegs: Interspersed with lots of stuff. But I think Phyllis has left him at this point, hasn't he? Where she's taken her and the child, Kimberly, as well.

Sidey: has a really mad night out- Yeah after one of these nightclubs where there's a load of hangers on, women round him and Jim Gaffigan. He's actually, like-

Reegs: naked in the pool, isn't he? In- ... dressed as the Statue of Liberty. Yeah, that's right, yeah. And

Sidey: And then wakes up, he's on the couch just, like, basically comatose. And she's like, "We're going." Like, "I'm taking the kid, and you do what the fuck you want, but we're out." Better without him. "You can't... You know, I can't have you around kid like this. Yeah. Our daughter. That's fucking

Reegs: the kid being a pre Stranger Things Sadie Sink, yeah.

Sidey: He kinda descends. He goes a bit boogies here, I thought. He go, he just- Yeah ... descends into his cocaine-fueled, like, '70s- He

Dan: '70s, isn't it? You know, it-it's like that kind of

Sidey: yeah, nightmare. There's loads of sort of disco dancing and- Yeah ... nightclubbing and just descending into this sort of, you know, debauched

Reegs: And he's moved from consuming drugs to now starting to move it on in, in the background as well. And he's, like you say, he's trying to get in hold of Sylvester Stallone, basically. Ringing up Universal, and he's obviously phoned up a load of different restaurants and maitre D's around town to get tip-offs where he's gonna be. Yeah. And he ends up heading there with his mates, doesn't he? To see Stallone, where he knows he's having

Sidey: turns out Stallone's, like, made up to see him. Yeah. He's like, "Oh, you know-" Can't believe it's you, you know, blow. And then they you know, has him over to his table with these other fucking bigwigs, and- Is it, is it- ... he's like, "Well, we're gonna do Rocky II." Yeah. "Be great if we could get you in it," you know, 'cause he doesn't realize he's a complete fuckwit. Yeah.

Dan: No, and-

Reegs: And- And I think there is an acknowledgement of- Yeah ... like, we know that we're telling your story

Sidey: bit here- yeah,

Reegs: yeah ... so come and get something out of it. Yeah. So he keeps going down the path of madness, doesn't he? And it involves him then being really, really late for the audition that he's got for the Rocky Absolutely high off his fucking tits on, like, doing coke on the way in. Yeah. Not... No idea, hasn't even read the script. No idea of the scene or

Dan: anything. We've all been there, haven't

Reegs: we? He's just gonna walk in and- He's like, he thinks he's walking into a party. He's like, "Oh, I'm gonna get the buffet."

Sidey: he goes straight for the food, doesn't he? Yeah. And

Reegs: And there's, like, a load of people waiting behind for an audition, and it goes really disastrously wrong, or definitely not the way that- No Sylvester-

Dan: it-

Sidey: Stallone's really, like backing him. He's like, "Come on, man, just like go to the bathroom, pull yourself together. Just study the script quickly."

Reegs: Yeah. Come

Sidey: down ... it's not complicated. Just read a few lines. And I think he basically goes, does some more like coke in the bathroom, smashes the mirror. just complete fuckwit. And-

Reegs: just a huge gap between what he thinks is happening there- Yeah and

Sidey: He just thinks he has to turn up. Because it's him, he has to turn up, and they'll, you know, give him the part. Just hand it to him. Yeah. Not so.

Dan: not so. Well, I mean, it would've been pretty much so, but not in that condition. You know, he needed to bring a little bit of professionalism

Cris: to be a... Yeah, you still need

Sidey: Be professional about it, yeah

Dan: they're spending... The, the studio's spending a lot

Sidey: it. Yeah, 'cause there's execs in the room, and they're like, "Hmm, we're not having him embarrass our fucking-" Yeah, well ... "picture." I think they, they start... you see a few more calls where they're like getting kilos that are having to be delivered around. Yeah. And then the next phone call is, "Where the fuck are you? You're supposed to be at school." It's like parent-teacher.

Reegs: just before that is he goes off and has, like, a... 'Cause he botches the, the Rocky thing, and then he ma- is made to start to be a bit clowny with the Andre the Giant thing.

Sidey: Oh, yeah.

Reegs: He's made to wrestle-

Dan: another exhibition, it's another exhibition fight

Reegs: So it's starting... You know, he's taking money for these, like, terrible gigs, everything's going down the toilet and yeah. The cocaine use accelerates, and so when he is called to the parent-teacher thing and he's fucking m- really

Sidey: an absolute late. Yeah.

Reegs: and he turns up, and he's got, "I'm gonna read a poem," and all this stuff, and he's, like, honking of gear still. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah, it's, it looks like he's taking a too many punches to the head at this point.

Reegs: Yeah. It's really uncomfortable, actually. So and then after that, he's arranged to... I think he's in Linda's Bar, actually, isn't he? Where he's got the- Yeah ... the gear, and he's told to go outside and put it in the car, and the cop... He puts it in the car- Sorry, champ ... and the g- the, the copper just says to him, "Sorry, champ." And the police come out, and he's done. Arrested

Sidey: he's been fingered

Reegs: He has been fingered, and he won't give anyone else up, so he's gonna take the wrap, which is two and a half years, three years

Dan: think he gets a, a fair chunk. He, he gets out a little bit early on the promise of, of parole, good behavior, and having

Sidey: think him going to prison, he's not the sort of person that people are gonna like mess

Dan: No, I mean, but still prison's, you know, just a horrible- It's a prison.

Sidey: yeah. It's

Dan: it is a horrible place,

Sidey: But he, he, he said he used-

Reegs: though, when he

Dan: Riggs, you know. What's it like? Prison? Yeah.

Reegs: I've got some stories, mate. I've got some stories, but not for the pod. When he turns up, unbelievably... I mean, he's doing on good behavior, and he's in the warden's good books, and then they bring him round, and fucking Stallone's there filming a m-movie.

Sidey: He's like, "Nah." He's he's- They say,

Reegs: you wanna go see him?" And he's like, "Nah." This, finally the point where he's really moving on with his life, I

Sidey: think. He uses this time to actually clean himself up to... He still looks after himself in prison. He's, like, reads some books and, you know, he's sort of cleans himself up a bit.

Reegs: Yeah. And I think recognizes that the Rocky on screen is not him anymore, you know? And that there's something different. So he's released on good behavior, and this is where we join up with the beginning of the film again, I think. He's- Yeah ... this is where he's fighting a bear.

Cris: Yep.

Dan: Yeah. That's right. So he's doing this kind of stuff for charity now, like, you know, that

Reegs: It's mostly s- shown to be... This is not really about the cruelty of the man fighting a bear, it's about how unglamorous everything is

Dan: him- Yeah

Cris: And it's a means to an end really,

Reegs: right? Yeah. And then Linda turns up. Where does he meet her? Does she come to the fight?

Dan: I

Sidey: remember. No. She... Yes, she does. She meets him, she meets him backst- Backstage after the fight ...he's like, "Oh, it's Saturday night, I was just sitting around doing nothing, so thought I might as well come out and, and watch the fight."

Reegs: And they've had this massive chemistry all the way through. Mostly

Sidey: They're born on the same day

Reegs: February 26th, my birthday.

Sidey: Oh, my God. Are you Chuck Wepner?

Dan: What? Is there a three-way going on here?

Reegs: It could be. Me and Naomi Wa- well, me

Dan: and Chuck. You and Wepner.

Sidey: Wepner. You and Chuck Wepner are more

Dan: likely. You and the bear. Me and the bear.

Sidey: had, been having a relationship, and she had kicked him into touch. Yeah. And now she's back. Yeah. And this is kind of really the end, isn't it? They, they go, they're walking on the boardwalk.

Reegs: Yeah. They go out for a date, and he's got an amazing bumbag on.

Sidey: She's got some great '80s threads on. It looked like it had moved into another- Moved

Reegs: into the '80s kind of time. And then there's a Planety- Planet Hollywood thing there, and a- She's demystified ... a statue of Sylvester Stallone.

Sidey: She's like, "Oh, God." And he's " like, No, no,

Reegs: But he's all right. He's okay about it. Yeah. He can take it with the right- Yeah ... perspective at this point now. And, you know, they walk off holding hands sort of in love.

Sidey: It's- And then the

Reegs: be all right

Sidey: 'cause she takes a photo of him And then that photo is then

Reegs: It morphs- into the actual

Sidey: Chuck ... yeah, and them two walking around, and they're still together to this day, and they still work the same liquor route. Yeah. And he's reconciled with his daughter.

Dan: right, 'cause he, he went into the liquor, back into the liquor business,

Reegs: the liquor game.

Dan: and lived happily ever after. I mean, it's an amazing life really. He, he's obviously grew up on, in a rough neighborhood. He was able to take a punch. That was his biggest- right there ... kind of quality, and he turned that into you know, Sylvester Stallone getting inspired to write Rocky from it. S- Liv Schreiber doing a, a, a film on him. And I think there's a couple of films done on him over the years. Yeah. As a, as a fighter, I think he was pretty kinda average in the big... You know, whenever I looked at his record, whenever he-

Reegs: out of you

Dan: he is ... He, he... Would he, though? But I mean, he- He's quite old now. I, I know,

Reegs: I'd still back him, to be fair.

Cris: I, you're not s- a spring

Dan: but I'm quick though. I'm quick. I'm quick. I, I, I... I can move. I do a jab. I, I'll keep going, keep my guard up. But no, he'd probably still have me because he's a heavyweight, isn't he? But he, You know, looking at his record, whenever he fought somebody really good that I've heard of, he lost. But he obviously beat,

Reegs: I know, but he fought, like, George Foreman and Muhammad Ali. These are not exactly lightweights,

Dan: bumps. They're bumps. They're bumps. Come on. No. No, they're, they're the best of the best of course, like, you know. So he was obviously brilliant, although he was, you know, taking a punch most of the time. Yeah. He, he... His ability was- That was his quality ... that he, he wouldn't go down. Watching him, he was quite slow. I

Reegs: he's- Yeah.

Dan: Ali.

Sidey: in the commentary. They say he's slow and cumbersome. He's- Yeah

Dan: he, he's- Yeah ... he's heavy though. You know, if, if one of those hits you like it did in the ninth- Mm um, stood on your toe and not- Yeah.

Reegs: go down

Dan: It, it's a, it's a big thump to the liver, to the, to the head.

Sidey: do show him working the bag a few times, and it doesn't look like that

Dan: It doesn't look like that ... and, and anybody that goes 15 rounds at that time- Yeah ... with Ali- Prime Ali ... you've gotta say, you know-

Cris: Fair play, yeah ... much

Dan: you. It, it's, He, he was brave. A, absolutely, you know, brave fighter. I watched, ended up watching Ali fighting a couple other guys and just putting them to the sword really, you know, which he, he could do. So yeah, it, it was, I enjoyed it. You know, I had seen this before and I like sports movies anyway. I like it if they're got some truth in them and this did. Obviously, there's a bit of poetic license, but you probably don't need that much because he did lead such a colorful life. I mean, who fights a fucking bear, you know?

Cris: Yeah, I know.

Reegs: ...Yeah. And

Sidey: I think one swipe from a bear would take your head off, surely. I mean-

Reegs: Not if it's wearing mittens though, like it was. I don't know.

Cris: Or you're a professional fighter and

Dan: duck, you gotta weave, you gotta go getting bashed in

Cris: in the head, I guess. But it's still, yeah, it's still not... I I wouldn't do it.

Sidey: Did you like it, Chris?

Cris: Yeah. Yeah, I enjoyed that. And I like Liev Schreiber and, the, the cast was good. I think everyone was... The acting was actually quite good. It m- was believable, and it wasn't too long. It kinda went through the whole thing. And again, I, I kinda agree with Dan. I always like, a, a real-life thing and a sports thing. It kinda hits both, both buttons for me. So yeah, for me it was good. I enjoyed this. I, I've never seen it before. It's the first time I've seen it. Although I told you when I watched it, there was a few scenes where I was like, seen this before?" So i- it's either I've actually seen it and I couldn't remember, or I've actually just seen bits of it in Instagram or Twitter or stuff like that. But I did enjoy it though. I thought it was good. I don't know if how much it was or if it made money or whatever, but...

Sidey: Should be able to tell you. Oh, the, the budget is not publicly disclosed. Okay. And only had a, a a limited theatrical release, so there's no disclosed numbers for it either, you think, Reece?

Reegs: Yeah, it's a very conventional sort of rise and fall sports movie with a very good performance from Liev Schreiber at the... Like, all the performances, like you said, are really it's sort of entertaining more than it is moving as a story. Sort of, it's f- plays a bit safe and a bit tropey, and the narration is a bit saccharine. But it's a good fascinating story of an indivi- you know, a really interesting individual. But like I say, more entertaining than, than illuminating or, or moving or anything like that as a sports film.

Sidey: film. Hmm. It really reminds me of Boogie Nights because it's set in that '70s time period. Yeah. Although one's about boxing, one's about porn. It's, you know, the rise and fall with a load of cocaine

Dan: same world, yeah.

Sidey: This to me, I enjoyed it to an extent. It felt almost a bit like a fucking daytime TV movie, some of it. Like, know, the lighting or whatever looked a bit kind of

Reegs: Cheap,

Sidey: Yeah. But I like Liev Schreiber. So my missus actually is terrible at recognizing actors, and she's like, "Oh, is that the guy that did, Raise- Hellboy? Like, Ron Perlman. "Yeah, it's Ron Perlman." And s- I was like, "Oh." I said, "You know, like, the box he is?" And she said, "No." I said, "That's Liev Schreiber, Ray Donovan." She's like, "Fuck off."

Dan: off."

Sidey: He's, just got a nose thing going on or whatever. Yeah, so, that was quite funny. No, a strong recommend.

Reegs: It's strong. Strong recommend.

Dan: it's a knockout. Yeah

Reegs: Next week's noms? Is,

Sidey: Is, it was you, then it was you.

Reegs: Daniel.

Sidey: think it's Daniel. Sly,

Dan: you or I, is it? Is it back to me? Right, well, pff, I've got a few belters lined up. You'll get to hear all about them next week.

Sidey: Okay, sound. All that remains is to say slyly signing out.

Cris: La ra va dare.

Dan: Dan has gone. And

Reegs: Rees has left the building.