Evil & Speak No Evil

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Are we re are we like ready to go? We're alive. It's just a shame we don't have the brain anymore. Can you improvise it? Could you like do Blobby Blobby Blobby?

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Wow. Wow, man. It's just celebrating us. Yeah. Okay.

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Hang on, I'll have to adjust this to a size that I can actually fucking see it. Why is it separate from the brain? I don't know.

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Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, the podcast that is to polite conversation as sharting is to a job interview. This week we're tackling the top five evils, a topic so vast we could have done a top five hundred and still not got round to mentioning Russell Brand, who in fairness is probably still looking for his place in it. Expect more moustache twirling than a Victorian villain convention, more bastards than an 18th-century brothel's abortion bin, and more unspeakable acts than Dan's honeymoon photos. Our main feature scenes James McAvoy hosting A Weekend from Hell in Speak No Evil, a film about how middle-class couples would rather be murdered than appear rude. It's basically an episode of Kirbyer enthusiasm, except every cringe is a step closer to being stabbed. We've taken the bold editorial decision to spoil the film comprehensively because we've run out of fucks to give, and as you may have noticed, the swearing will continue at its usual industrial volume. If you're still here, you've consented and are probably asking for it. A legal defence that, coincidentally, Russell Brand will be roadesting in October. Let's meet this week's case studies in The Banality of Evil, starting with Dan. He's so old he remembers when the devil was just a promising young upstart with a decent business plan. Yeah, very good. He gives so few fucks that he's arrived this evening with no opinions, no research, and the body language of a man who can feel the weather changing in his knees. That's true.

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Yeah, it has changed. But for the better. Look, I've got a bringing my step and I'm ready to go. Yeah, an unspeakable show. Did you hear that creaking there? That wasn't an old door.

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In these next up, stunning Chris, who has the rare distinction of having co-hosted a film podcast for two years while maintaining what can only be described as a deep and abiding contempt for the entire art form. Unless there's at least one body being discovered in a wall cavity and someone powerful covering it up, Chris endures cinema like a man being catheterized by someone who's only ever read about the procedure before. Yeah. Hello. And holding his tongue in third place, the man who told me I've been swallowing my pride all week and a few other things while I'm down there at Sidey. And then there's me reads hello.

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Hello. Did you see? Yeah. So Piers Morgan's been doing a great PR job on himself by getting people more hideous than him on his show. And he got did you see this? No. He got Russell Brand on.

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But I did see. That's what he was alluding to in my own.

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He says because he's gone full like Jesus mode.

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Now that he's been arrested on multiple records, he's become a Christian.

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He'd use some sort of Christian passage in both. And Piers Morgan's like, oh well, here's a Bible. Can you can you just point to the you know it's the passage you were reading in court? The bits you were reading in court, and then he just lets him fumble around with the Bible, just like the the the programme just goes into silence. It's almost like the office. He like looks to camera.

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Yeah.

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Brand's like, here it is, on and that's it, and then just lets him go on and on and on. It's like scruciating, but really funny. Yeah.

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So what's happening with Brand at the moment?

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He's a rapist. He's getting done for rape and and all that. Against like people multiple, I think.

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Multiple how many come forward, I guess. Men or women he raped. Women. Women. Oh. I mean, not that. Sexually assaulted.

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So there was quite a lot of like groping as uh not Not actually the Well, I don't know what the full range of all the crimes, alleged crimes are, but it's all like fucking grim and he's a fucking dick. And now he's grifting Christians, so MAGA.

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Um I guess I don't know what would be left.

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And where is he going to be tried? Is it in the USA?

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Well, hopefully not the east of London.

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Yeah, well, I'm just thinking if it's the USA It's for West Hamlin as well. Yeah, I know, but that's not what I mean.

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He's everywhere east of London eventually, or it's like the Gremlin question. When does it become not east of London anyway?

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Well, it's more the the the Hammer of the Year Association, right? That's massive.

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Well look, stop too far until proven get.

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Anyone watched anything? I've been listening to something. Yeah. I've been cheating on this podcast with another one, Brian and Roger, which is they've got it on the BBC Sounds now, but it's on Spotify as well. It's just a kind of situational comedy, and the conceit is one that would normally put me off because it's two guys just leaving voice messages to each other. But it tells like a little funny story in about 14, 15 minutes each one. That's pretty good, I've got to say. I've seen it a few times on advertised.

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It started strong. Yeah. Okay. Is that a series or a film? It's a sequel to Greenland. It's a very simple thing. So Greenland was the film where there was the mass extinction event, the asteroid. And this is them coming out of the bunker.

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Is is this Yeah, because it did have the bold idea of basically just destroying everything at the end of the first one.

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Well, well, there's a voice every bit at the start, and they've this is the second attempt. It comes so they've been out of the bunker once and they it was too early and they've had to go back in. Alright. And then my daughter's asking questions like, What about the food? How why why did the She always gets why and how mixed up? She says, Why did it why was there a thing? I'm like, no, you mean how how did it? Yeah. The asteroid didn't have a motive. It just happened, you know. Yeah. But yeah, it looks like it's gonna be really good to finish that off.

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Who who what was the first one? Remind me? Have I seen it?

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The first one on the earth was pre they know that there's a disaster coming and he has to there's a this huge Netflix Prime or Prime. There are these huge sort of bunkers with the that only the you know elite have been selected to go. Like a bit like 2012.

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There's a quite a good bit I remember where they're being evacuated with their families and certain people can go.

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Yeah, it was good. So then you see the asteroid hit and they've managed to get into the bunker. Well, this is them coming out and then trying to, I guess, trying to repopulate. Yeah, it's all radioactive nuclear winter and all that sort of stuff. It's cool.

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Okay. And it's kind of generations into the future, is it? Or it's decades or I don't know.

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So it looks like a couple of years.

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Maybe you look good in on the ground. It always looks good.

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It would be a bit difficult, right, to just stay for a couple of years on the ground. You want to be outside. So that and the homework, that's where I'm at at some point. I've watched a thing on Netflix, which the only reason being is because it popped up on the algorithm and I I've seen who the writer was, and it's like this Lisa McGee, who I've seen something before in the BBC, and it's all Northern Irish. Debbie McGee's sister.

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Oh, could be. The lovely Debbie McGee.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Yeah. And uh it's it's called How to Get to Heaven from Belfast. Oh yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. And it's like a I think it's the the Irish version of that queue, department queue, or whatever it was. Which it's not the same thing, but it's basically these three women and some Irish cop trying to figure out what this murder was in some middle of nowhere, Ireland, right? And it's in between Belfast, I think a bit in Dublin and whatever. I've got one episode left, and it's not necessarily that interesting or that funny. I think it's kind of quite simple, if you ask me. But I've kind of I like the way the Northern Irish people speak, and I think just because of the way they speak, they are funny. So that's the main reason I watched that department. You're not wrong or not. Because I really like Sports as well. So for me it was it was more the accent and the actors are.

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Peter's a good Northern Irish accent in Patricia.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's he's good, yeah. But anyway, I watched that and I've got one episode to go, which to be fair, was more when last week on Tuesday I really wasn't well and I had to leave work. After the night here, yeah, it was really bad. It was really, really bad.

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What kind of colours? Are you all colours or rainbow? So I was proper full rainbow.

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Proper pride. From both sides. Pride of jealousy. It was black on the the top bit and anyway, they had that. And I I watched that more when I finished work and I went home and I was like, oh I'm I'm not really doing anything else. I'll just put this on because I wasn't really feeling great and I was eating just plain rice. So yeah, that's it. I didn't watch anything else.

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Well, I also cheated on the podcast and read a book. Alright. And I've been doing a fair bit of reading recently. Philip Kerr has been my author of choice. He does a brilliant set of books on like Germany just before the war, and it's the Bernie Gunther. I might have mentioned him before, he's the character, he's a cop who hates the Nazis really, but also has to work in and around this time trying to do proper detective work, and it's been kept me going for about five or six books now. It is 13 or 14, but I got really into that. So that kept me going a lot of the time when I would have been otherwise watching films, but or you've been filling your head with words. I've been filling it with words, and I was hoping that there might be some kind of film that they'd have made off it because often the good books they do, but I haven't been able to find any that they would do. It would make a brilliant film noir though. So other than hear no speak no evil, I was like Yeah, that's the the only evil I've had, the the Nazis. But we'll probably get to speak a little bit more about them in our top five.

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Top five evils. Evils, evil things. Do you want to set the tone? I'll start with Evil Knievel. Oh, yes. Robert Craig Knievil. He did uh alter his name to to spell it and then soften it a little bit with the E in there because that's how it's spelled for Knievel.

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His name was Evil Craig Knievel.

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No, his real name was Robert Craig Knievel. Oh, that makes sense. And he changed his first name to Evil. E. V. E L. He spent three decades jumping over things. Yeah, everything.

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Stuff buses, people. He could have just gone around them. It was so much easier. Yeah. But he didn't ever. I tell you what though, he showed us what was possible on a in a Elvis jumpsuit and a boat bike, didn't he?

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Buses, fountains, a steam-powered rocket he did. Twists and turns. Yeah. And lots of injuries. Thirty-five broken bones, apparently. He claims a disputed world record for the most broke bones broken. Yeah, exactly. I don't know.

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I mean, anybody that's gone through a really bad crash would have done more than that. Yeah, I've got a bull show.

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Could be for most motorbike crashes. He's a faker. Yeah, exactly.

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This fucker walked.

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One he didn't get to broadcast live was him beating his publicist with a baseball bat over an unflattering memoir in 1977.

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Did that count as some of the bones?

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Yeah, maybe. He served six months in prison and turned into, you know, later found God. Um like our friend Russell Brown. Yeah. So named himself evil and then found God and became a Christian. Okay. Came to the world.

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That was a nice redemption arc for him. Yeah. What about a couple of characters I've got here who are doing bad things. Okay. But are quite charismatic and you kind of root for them in a way. So Hannibal Lecter. Yeah. He does some naughty stuff. Yeah. But very charismatic. And I don't say that you want him to succeed necessarily, but you're kind of like, you're not sad about it either when he escapes. Yeah. I would say. Yeah, yeah. And then I had Walter White from Breaking Bad. Yeah.

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Well, you know, is like a drug kingpin. I think it's one of the most it says some of the most amazing stuff about humans as a species. A lot of people watch that and hate the wife. Hate Skylar. Yeah. Yeah. And go, oh God, wasn't she?

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I was getting a little bit of Skylar vibes from the chick in the film this week. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, so he's doing like really terrible stuff, like flooding the city, you know, his city with fucking uh crisp.

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He kills a child, doesn't he?

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And then he he murders, he mows someone down, he does all sorts of stuff, and then he, you know, really leans into his He poisons a kid, he uh oh yeah, it's all sorts of stuff.

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Yeah, but you're still like, yeah, go on. And then at the end he says it, you know, I mean he outright comes and says I did it because I enjoyed doing it. Not because of the money or everything else. All the the ways that he justified it morally before. Yeah. And yet Skylar was the villain. Because she moaned a bit. Because she was a bit she was annoyed about him becoming a drug ting pin. Yeah. Yeah, so there you go. Chris, you know anyone evil? I know the Joker in The Dark Knight. Yeah. Oh, the Dark Knight one you go for, yes. Just the Joker in general.

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Joker in general, but I did like the That's my favourite screen adaptation of him.

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Yeah, I I would say so, because I've seen obviously I've seen probably all the Batmans really. I I couldn't say maybe all of them, but you know, I've seen quite a lot of them because as a kid, probably Batman was my favourite of these superheroes because he was more human than flying, and you know, he was like he had faults and he had He was just a dude, he was just a rich dude a a man rather than a who were a case.

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Who is the guy who played the joke on the series? Caesar Gus Caesar Caesar Romero? Yeah, he didn't shave off his mustache. He had the m makeup put on over his touch. Amazing.

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Okay. I'm going for the one in the dark night because I thought it was quite good.

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Yeah, and miles better than an Edgelord Joker that Wack in Phoenix plays. Yeah, and a side joker.

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Yeah, they tacked that on afterwards as him being a joker. There's a bit in the dark night, which it never occurred to me until I saw someone on Twitter point it out, is that when he's in the hospital with Two Face and he's dressed as a nurse, Too Faced doesn't recognise that it's a joke until he takes his mask off. It's you.

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The makeup is.

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He's just covered a little bit of the makeup, but the rest still there. Yeah, he is a I that's great.

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I yeah, I mean I don't have to talk about it, it's pretty obvious why I I really liked it.

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You know, the gangsters there. The disappearing fences. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, and the suit wasn't cheap. Yeah. You should know he bought it. So yeah, I I would say that is come to me.

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And I'd say my god and that's weird, Vito Corleone.

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I was thinking of what he I was looking at, I couldn't really see it.

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Vito Corleone, the godfather, he was Don Vito. Yeah, Don Vito. Michael II is Michael Two. Was he evil, evil, you know? I mean Freda. He broke my heart. He would just see things differently, and evil is obviously within that context, just massively away from what we would consider good, but he would consider honourable, and it just goes to show that one man's evil is another man's honour or whatever. He knew how to line, yeah, he wasn't gonna get involved with drugs. Yeah, exactly. Racketeering, all that sort of stuff. It was just prostitution, racketeering, numbers, and all the rest of it. But certainly didn't want heroin within, you know, uh a certain class of people who'd have been seen evil, and that's why um when the undertaker went to him first of all, the rest and said I was gonna say he tombstoned him. He goes, Well, he'd I'd asked for him, didn't he? And said, you know, you come to me on my the day of my war daughter's wedding and you're asking me to commit murder. Why didn't you come to me before when all this happened? And the undertaker obviously knew, look, if I ask you something, you can ask me a favour. I don't know where he knew he was a badass, he was getting into it, he was crossing a line here because Well, you don't get something for nothing. You don't get something for nothing, and there was a real kind of sense of was he evil though? Some people's evil. He was happy to take a life, so yeah.

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He was happy to take a life with honour.

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With honour.

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I saw a clip of it's when Michael goes out to Vegas and speaks, you know, the meeting with the guy who runs the casino. And uh it was it was less like just look, watch Pacino in this scene because the guy's going, I've talked to fucking you know, come to me here and fucking tell me, and he doesn't leave a move, Pacino, and then he goes, I'm leaving on Friday, come to me with a price, you know. And then the guy just stands up and he's fucking going nuts, and then he says to Fredo, you know, I love you, but you don't ever take sides against the family, and like this guy is the real deal, yeah. He's gonna and then you know he has them all fucking killed.

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Well, I mean, if you're looking at evil in a series of three amazing movies, then you you will find it in the godfather movies, yeah, for sure. You put in the third as an amazing movie. I was gonna put in the two actually, because that goes through Vito's kind of life and it just goes to show but The Godfather is is getting a mention from me.

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Geoffrey Baratheon. Oh we hate him! Yeah, just even the mention of the young actor's name, Jack Gleason. I think he's really has given one of the great villain performances Jack Gleason because you fucking. Has he just retired straight after? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, he did retire. And you absolutely hate his character so much. He's so mean, so vindictive.

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Joffrey. Oh, even just the name.

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Yeah. I think the whole and stupid as well.

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Yeah, it was just a fucking child.

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Yeah. I think the whole world cheered when he, spoiler alert, dies. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah.

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And you go on to Bolton, don't you? You go on to what was the the guy's Ramsay Bolton, and you think things couldn't get and you think actually Joffrey was okay compared to this guy. Ramsey Bolton was awful as well. Bolton was evil.

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I think because he was so young.

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But Joffrey was so young and so he was only getting worse.

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Yeah. It's probably the same as the Cynthia Bolton, really.

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Yeah, maybe. And then other TV ones, Negan. He arrived. Oh, wow. Jeffrey Dean Wargan, he arrived. He had some awful redemption thing. I was about to say it's really the moment when Walking Dead jumped the shark for me with all those ridiculous endings that they filmed, and he turns up with the baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire, and you know, as they hammered home the point for the millionth time that oh the humans are worse than the zombies. And then they did you know loads of spin-offs, and they turned Negan from villain into antagonist into protagonist, like, and then probably somewhere along the way he discovered that humans are worse than zombies again. And yeah, that's Negan. So there you go.

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Frank Booth, remember him from Blue Velvet? He was really fucking awful. Did that do the movie? Yeah, we did that, yeah.

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The gas mask.

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Yeah, he was dreadful. And Judge Doom, who framed Roger Rabbit, it turned out to be a tune like killing his own kind. Yeah, he was pretty evil. Has anyone said Doctor Evil? Did you say him at the end? You said it off air, I think.

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I said it off air, yeah.

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So they're Austin Powers movies, but he steals the show like all the time. I was thinking about his like highlights reel, like the one million dollars, because he's got no sense of like inflation while he's been away. Sharks with frickin' laser beams, and then the like the silly stuff where he's on his rotating chair and it like scoots away from the table and he just looks like an idiot. And all the time when he's trying to do these stupid plots, and number two is like we could just make more by just going legit, like we could just make yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We already like made twice that or whatever. Yeah.

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So he's good, he's really, really good. Good character. Mr. Evil.

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It's Dr. Evil, yeah.

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And the therapy scene, fucking his origin scene where he's at the end. That's a bit in therapy, and he's like, My father invented the question mark. So good, so so good.

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I've got Lucifer in Constantine, who is the antagonist and he is the devil himself. Oh comes to Stor Stormer. Yeah. Stormare. He comes to collect John Constantine personally, and but plot twist, he gets tricked by Constantine to get the sister of someone. I can't remember the whole thing, but he basically instead of taking him, he's like take her because whatever, and then because Constantine sacrificed himself for that uh person, the devil can't have a pure soul in hell. And Constantine doesn't make it to heaven and he stays to do the same thing that he always did, send Demons back to and mammons. Back to hell. Yeah, back to hell was the main demon. So shout out to him. It was a great scene as well, but when how he comes down, he's just like white suit, feet, and the ankles covered in petrol in black tar. Tar, that's right, yeah. And I I I really like that film, to be fair. It was quite good. And I think it's Shyla Biff, LeBeuf, in it. He's a taxi driver. Yeah.

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Pretty evil in real life.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Exactly. Apparently, but but he's I I didn't want to go on personal lives of people because you know there's there's quite a few of them and some of the ones. Yeah. So I don't wanna friend of the show, to be fair. So I don't wanna I don't wanna really embarrass anyone that's really friendly with us. Um so yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:43

Well, Angels with Dirty Faces. You see that film?

SPEAKER_01 22:49

No.

SPEAKER_04 22:49

Oh wow, I'm gonna have to put it up then. It is James Cagney in 1937. I was just uh just you know 21 years old. Barely in my forties then he plays a gangster who in kind of is in the manosphere. In no, he's he's it he's within the community and he's he's one of his best friends growing up and he got it put into like a bore stall, into like a children's prison, and the guy who got away with it ending up to be a priest, and so he's always been a bit of a lost soul, and it it goes through him being like the big man on the street and everything, all the kids following him and going, Wow, he's so cool, and the priest trying to pull him in and saying, No, don't go, don't go with him, like you know. I I know him, he's not a good character. I don't want to spoil it for you because if you've not seen it, I think I should I should put it in. But there was definitely a touch of evil about him. He goes around killing people and shooting people to get to the top of thuggery and gangstersville, but there is a little bit of redemption involved as well. Angels with dirty faces, one of the greats.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

I've got a couple of evil sounding movies, actors and musicians if you're interested. 101 Damn Nations, Lothe actually, Oklahomicide, and West Side Gorya, the films they're gonna start Evil Menders, Merrill Creep, Sigourney Reaper, Sin Diesel, Rathew McConaughey, and Malice Vickinder. Music, of course, by Helvis Presley, Fleetwood Macabre, Katie Peril, and Diana Cross. Yeah. Wow. It's a bit less evil cross, innit?

SPEAKER_01 24:40

I don't know about Diana Cross though.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

Yeah. Diana Ross, Diana Cross.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

No, I know, but is it the upside down cross? Because otherwise, oh yeah, KKK.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Upside down. Go tell me. Uh and then I was gonna say Mr. Reed from Heretic that we watched with a huge grass. Basically taking his usual standard performance of sort of stuttering and being impossibly polite and turning it into a weapon for a little bit actually dealing with some of the same stuff of like being impoliteness and all that that's in this week's movie in some way. But that was good. Never not recognizably Hugh Grant, but also being something completely different to what you said. Something different, yeah. That's yeah. Good show of that.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Top fives.

SPEAKER_05 25:26

I've got a couple musical ones. Evil is a song by Interpol. I really like that band. That's a good song as well. Evil Woman, ELO, Mean Mr. Mustard, and Maxwell Silverswell's Silver Hammer, weird little murder songs on Abbey Road. And then Nick Cave has a whole album called Murder Ballads, where everyone, every song is a different murder. And then MF Doom is like portrays himself as the villain. The villain. He's calls himself the villain over and over again in the songs. I'll just nominate after that. Yeah, go for it.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Let me just have a look. I've got Hans Landa in Inglorious Busters. Oh yeah. I thought Christopher Waltz was really, really good because I really hated him in that. And it was quite good because it was after Django where he's quite likable and a good doctor, and you know, he helps the slave or whatever, and then he's an absolute dick. And the scene with uh your people at the beginning with a friend.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

He's able to be menacing in about three different languages.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah, yeah. And and also quite even when he eats the the cake and substances so horrible. Yeah. Yeah. And apparently that's true. The internet told me, don't know, don't ask me how or why I know this, but that uh the implication being in that thing, especially is because the he says wait for the cream, because the cream, especially back then, would have been done with pork with animal father. No poetry. And obviously she was Jewish, so that would have been she I don't know, yeah. Yeah, so apparently, yeah, that that would have been it. Obviously, a friend of the pod, Arnold Schwarzenegger, whose antagonist is Tulsa Doom in Conan. Yeah, Pete had an erection.

SPEAKER_05 27:02

He fights the devil in the end of Days, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was at one point maybe in my goddess, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Yeah, it was, yeah. I think I could put maybe the T1000 or whatever. Sorry, didn't he fight on her?

SPEAKER_05 27:17

That's the story she tells about the film, is that he farther on her? Amazing. So yeah, T1000.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

And the lot of villains. The last one I'm gonna say before my nom is Anson Boone, he is an actor who plays Eddie Harrigan in Mobland. He is the it's a really weird one where he is Helen Mirren's Stepson, but also grandson at the same time, which is really weird. Because Piers Brosnan basically shags his son's daughter, son his son's wife, before they just before they were getting together, and basically everybody thinks it's his son's son, right? But it's actually Piers Brosnan's son, and she knows, and is this kid is he's basically the the reason for the plot of the whole series. I don't know if you've seen Mobland or what it's honestly brilliant, yeah. And and this kid is really, really annoying, and everybody hates it.

SPEAKER_04 28:19

So there's so much evil there in the world. People pissing in the garden would probably go up there.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

I was about to say, I'm nominating you getting told off by your missus.

SPEAKER_04 28:29

Yeah, if you heard who's the pig there, then that was me for pissing in the garden. But otherwise, I looked at Misery, which we'd watched for the pod, I think, uh a little while back, and that Stephen King who is so good at finding the evil in the everyday and the macabre in different stories. Casino with Joe Pesci, that scene where he just absolutely flips and turns on a dime, and you're just not sure. De Niro's another one who's just fantastic at just losing his shit in in things as well. But the one that I'm gonna nominate is the the Nazi regime with Life is Beautiful. I don't know if you've ever watched that film. It's the Italian kind of drama Roberto Gorini, I think. Yeah, with uh not the not the Italian forward, but he he was brilliant. He played Guido. He got the Oscar, didn't he? He won the Oscar for this, and it was all around how he kind of protected his son against the Nazi regime and got through the concentration camp and everything. It was such a beautiful film, but you had that kind of dark side and the evil of the men there as well. So that's my nom.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

Yeah, they were the bad guys, weren't they? They were, yeah. I'll just go with the Evil Dead franchise. It's a big favourite of mine, Evil Dead 2, especially. And there's a new one coming out, Evil Dead Burn. Coming out in July.

SPEAKER_05 30:08

All the right people in it?

SPEAKER_03 30:09

No, but the last one I quite enjoyed. I've enjoyed all the last two remakey editions, wherever they are. I i they all follow the same template. Somebody discovers the book that tells you don't you shouldn't read from it. Somebody reads from it, Hell's Unleashed. I'm looking forward to them again discovering the book and reading from it and unleashing hell. Fair enough. Harry Potter. Ah.

SPEAKER_05 30:29

We're all big fans, especially Reeves. We all know that JK Rowling's full of either. Yeah, she could be one. It's Harry Potter against Voldemort, but we all know that the real villain of the piece is Dolores Umbridge, who is this mega bitch.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

Does she take Umbridge at things that people say?

SPEAKER_05 30:45

And she also we're working on she's the sort of person who might sort of like defect to reform type, she just follows whoever. So she she ends up taking over at Hogwarts and outlaws literally everything and does these kind of like squeaky kind of noises. And if you are familiar with her character, you I'm sure would agree she's mega, mega bitch. Delighted when she gets taken away in the the film that she's the main protagonist in, main villain in. She gets taken by the centaurs, and Pete is convinced that they rape her. But that's not shown on screen, so it's it's it's inconclusive. But she's awful, horrible, horrible, horrible. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

Which and the centaurs are the man at the top in horse from the house.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

She calls them hideous beasts and they one sh little shout out to Sauron from Lord of the Rings, yeah, because he's the evil eye and the sky and Sauron. A man or a spirit in a armour or whatever. But my name will be John Hurt. Just him. No. No, Adam Suttler in V for Vendetta. Yeah, yeah. Who is the dictator of England basically in whatever the future is, and is the plot that the government, this guy being it's kind of a we we I think we've all watched that V for Vendetta, right? I really like the film and I kinda not like the premise of it by kind of, you know, is the the fact that you know the government should fear the people, not that people should fear the government. Yeah, that's kind of the idea. And he took power because they poisoned on purpose a whole bunch of people, and then he came to power because he ruled an iron fist, and then it was all a dictatorship, which I come from from a country where we had this dictatorship for a long time, and then we killed them. Lol. Yeah, on Christmas Day again, we've come back to the same thing.

SPEAKER_05 32:41

But yeah, that's a nice we need one extra evil. Let's have it. So on to speak no evil, we've we've heard no evil. Yeah, and we've seen no evil, now we're not gonna speak about any evil. That's right. Yeah. It's gonna be really quick review. Bloomhouse joint?

SPEAKER_03 33:07

A Bloomhouse movie, yeah. A big ho a remake of a Danish movie of the same name with a a fairly different outcome that we can describe later, I guess. And Bloomhouse, a big horror production company, done a lot of stuff. Getting bigger talked about.

SPEAKER_04 33:24

They weren't always as big as this.

SPEAKER_05 33:26

I mean, yeah, they get a little bit of success. Build on that, build on that, build on that.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

Yeah, McAvoy is kind of a big deal, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Um Yeah, but he also likes genre sort of fair as well. Like, I don't think he's too big to do. Did he work out for this movie or is he wearing some sort of muscle hench, isn't he? He's buff. Yeah. Apparently he he did not watch the original movie because he didn't want to be like kind of influenced influencer like that. He wanted to make his own creative decisions. I have to say he was listening to a lot of manosphere stuff, which is why he so attention is all right.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

I was gonna say, is it was it just me, or in this film, whenever he gets a close-up, he does look a bit like Jared Butler with the hair back and the beard and all that. He just kind of turns a little bit into just especially when he's a bit like when he kind of does that a bit upside down face.

SPEAKER_05 34:15

Yeah, yeah. It is like starts out of the story of two families who meet on holiday. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Yeah. And you know, couple pull up to a hotel in Italy, and we've got Ben and Louise Dalton, that's Scoot McNary and Mackenzie Davis. Mackenzie Davis. Scoot? Yeah, it's a fabulous name, in it. And he's a good actor. And there is sort of you can already tell there's a bit of icy tension between them, though for you know, for not for what reason, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 34:43

And then we there's also a thing where the daughter's got a uh like a cunning toy, she's got a bunny. Hopper. Which he his like wants her to get over it, you know. Yeah. And if she's nearly 13, she's still got this fucking thing that she to the extent that if she doesn't have it, starts to panic. Yeah. There's breathing exercises.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

She listens to a breathing out, she gets very anxious. Yeah. It's clearly a a source of tension and his sort of barely repressed rage. Yeah. And they meet, he they sort of eye another couple that at first glance appear to be the sort of couple that you might want to be if you're entrapped in a slightly icy cool relationship. He sees Paddy, James McAvoy's character, dragging this sun lounger sort of noisily across. Getting a beer in early and just being a bit a little bit raucous, but not, you know, having fun, basically.

SPEAKER_05 35:31

Yeah, she says to him, Well, do you want a beer? And he's like, No, and it clearly like does want to. But he's like, Oh, it's you know, there's very repressed.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

It's really repressed, yeah, icy cool, and yeah, and he's looking for approval and all that sort of stuff. And then later when they go out for dinner, they walk past their bedroom and they just peek in and they can see them dancing, listening to music, and you know, makes your own relationship feel a bit shit, basically, looking at them with their kid, making it all work.

SPEAKER_05 35:55

And well, there's a there's a boring and the Danish couple who are just like they're in a sort of really nice looking resort, and everyone's sort of having dinner together, and this Danish couple just boring everyone with like the intricacies of the food, and there's a cookery course, and oh, we're gonna make Nockey. You know, James McAfee is the Ben's looking really bored, and Paddy starts making eyes at him across the thing, like, look at these dick. But the next day they just bump into each other. He'd like basically joyrides with the their daughter on his moped, and then already there's slightly boundary pushing there because it's just straight from the get-go.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

He doesn't, there's this whole thing is about pushing people's boundaries of politeness. So he's like, he's got they rented a motorbike and Louise is concerned, oh, she hasn't got a helmet. No, no, it's fine, just get on a little bit. I'll go really slide about this. Who's Louise? Sorry? The wife, the Ben's wife. So it's we've just got Ben, Louise, and their daughter Agnes, and we've got Paddy, Chiara, and their son Ant, who is non-verbal. It was Wolf.

SPEAKER_05 36:55

When they first he says, Oh, he's got a condition, his tongue didn't grow as a child, so he he can't really talk. And then he's very shy and r and withdrawn because of this. But yeah, he just like hoons it round the square with their daughter on this moped after saying it's gonna be you you just hear all the screeching tongue and then he sprawls up again.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Um then the Danish couple my god, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 37:17

And you see the mum, especially the mum's like, Oh my god, she's very risk-adverse. But when the Danish couple then reappear, he he tells them this we're just talking about how you wipe your ass.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

Yeah, he's like, Do you fold or scrunch? And the guy's like, and walks off.

SPEAKER_05 37:30

Yeah, so they're so they're like, Wow, this guy's got like you know, he's super confident, he's so extrovert, he's so fun. And then he's that McElvoy, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's really out there. But if you when you go to select the movie and you see the what the picture looks like, you know where it's all headed. You're waiting. There's no like, oh, I wonder if it's gonna be. You're just waiting. You're like waiting for it all too. And like you say, he's been pushing boundaries like straight away, he's like not really listening to them.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

But it's all framed in a quite positive way because all you're see you're sort of seeing this bit through the really repressed relationship where there's definitely something gone wrong between Ben and Louise. Then it's holiday's over. Oh, this is still a bit where he finds the rabbit, doesn't he? So that finally ingratiates and she loses the rabbit again, McAvoy finds it.

SPEAKER_05 38:15

It's like celebrate this is the you know, she's got on quite well with Anne's, the their young boy. Right. So that everyone's like, Oh, it's great they're getting on, and we're kind of getting on. So the holiday's over, they get a postcard.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

They this couple lives in London and McAvoy lives in the country in Devon.

SPEAKER_04 38:31

Yeah, and he says, Listen, spooky fucking Devon.

SPEAKER_05 38:33

It'd be great if you came round for the weekend, we'd love to have you around. He's told them his backstory where he was a doctor, but he sold his practice and now they just He volunteers for Medicine Sans Frontier.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

It's like really I was laughing at that bit because it's too much, you know, it's really too much.

SPEAKER_05 38:48

And so they're gonna get invited into the fucking wilderness of this place for deliverance country. Basically. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

Before they go, there is a bit where we'll deal with what the tension at the core of their marriage is, which is it's not even actually well, I suppose it depends on your definition, but a lot of people wouldn't consider it infidelity, though a big breach of trust. She's been sexting another guy. He's found a dick. They found dick pics and sexting. She it's do they explicitly say that it wasn't like consummated, I guess. I don't know whether we're not to believe that or to feel the mistrust of the relationship or not. Dick picks.

SPEAKER_04 39:23

What's wrong with that?

SPEAKER_03 39:24

Yeah. You wouldn't obviously like it, but it's different from I think. Yeah. Anyway, so that that's been happening. So they clearly, you know, have problems in their relationship.

SPEAKER_05 39:33

Also, they moved to London for work and then his work evaporated and She kind of feels like she had to move to because she f I guess had the guilt of being found out, and so there's just this tension of it's not working. But no one says it's not working.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

So anyway, this decide go and have the weekend with this really great couple we met on holiday. Let's go and do it. We had a great time initially. We could probably have another good time.

SPEAKER_04 39:59

Let's bring back holiday vibes.

SPEAKER_05 40:01

And on the drive. But what we what we've been told in it, what we've seen is that she is a vegetarian.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:06

Really? First thing that happens is they they arrive, but they get lost and then they turn up.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Really unsubtle foreshadowing is they go past what is it's called Churney Abbas Giant? That 180-foot chalk figure, like the club and his dick. Yeah. Like, right, this is the whole movie on that hill. So yeah, they turn up at the place and they he straight away starts getting Ben leathered all the time with his homemade.

SPEAKER_05 40:33

Well, not only that, they give her the goose. So they they do this big thing about this is uh the best goose we had on the farm, it was the you know the lifeblood of the it really builds it up, and like now we've cooked her for you to eat, and he slices, This is the best bit of the meat, this is the best bit, it's it's something crispy but still tender. And then she's looking at her husband and he's just like coming at her with the fork, and she doesn't want this is the political thing. She doesn't want to say, I don't want to eat that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

And they've already had a discussion about her vegetarianism on holiday.

SPEAKER_05 41:02

Yeah, so he doesn't he doesn't she's sort of looking at her husband to chime in and say, Oh no, no, she can't have that, she's vegetarian. So she just puts it in her mouth and goes, Oh, it's really nice.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

Ben says nothing, she puts it in her mouth, like pulling. When they look away, she spits it out. But as soon as they've come through the door, like really boundary pushing again. And then they um put up in the in the like attic.

SPEAKER_05 41:25

Yeah, it's quite like it's basically like pallet on the floor to sleep on. And then they go to their bed and it's like stained sheets and it's something's off.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

I haven't seen this film, but I've been veggie for twenty, thirty years, and if somebody offers me meat and they really do it in a most kind of you know, way where they show me how much time and effort they've gone into it and everything like that. I still just tell them, Oh, I'm so sorry I'm veggie. Yeah. It's really simple. Like, you know, it's not a fucking bottom.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

Yeah, but the dynamic in this situation was very different. I think like no.

SPEAKER_05 42:02

I I I just it's not just that they're old, you know, you know, sheets that have been used a few times, they're stained, they're fucking grim. Yeah, and and she's like, well, you know, uh she's just straight away put off.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

And it's not here that's how is he?

SPEAKER_05 42:20

He's like, Oh, it's just an old set, it's an old stain, it's clean, but it's more like he's constantly making excuses for them. Right.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

And she's just like she's uncomfortable. Well, because Paddy is a bit like the man he would like to be a bit, right? He's big and he's laugh and he's masculine and all that stuff. Imagable and yeah, yeah, and Ben has been completely emasculated by his wife. So um, yeah, that's right. And then at night they can hear Ant like wailing and crying for ages. It's weird that isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 42:48

He's screaming out whatever noise he can make with his lack of tongue, and and she's like, I think we need to you need to go and see him, and he just goes, and like, wait, and he stops straight like he knows when he's gonna start. It was really, really weird.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

And then he's like later it was. We get basically a sort of an escalating bunch of social violations that just creep up on you, like little uncomfortable situations, like he's quite physical to his son, a bit overly physical sometimes. And well, they find a mark. So Elizabeth, Elizabeth, who's the the why?

SPEAKER_05 43:27

When the ant goes in the water, doesn't he? Louise says something about she's got a problem with her shoulder or her neck, and because he's a doctor, he starts putting his hands on her and he's oh yeah, this and uh it says the cure for this, or this tension you've got, cold water therapy. And then when they go, they go to this lake and there's a rock above it that they can jump out onto and he's just he just gets his kit off. And then the wife does, and she's got all these bruises, and you're like, Oh yeah. And I think the kids showed one before as well.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Yeah, but then they make some comment about being a bit violent in the bedroom. Yeah. So again you're a bit like oh and then and 'cause they're all sexy and stuff and they're all stood there in their pants and then it like looking awkward. Yeah. And then jump in.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

So Jan jumps in and he clearly can't swim. Yeah. And again the mum the mum's Louise is like Well is you swim about that? Yeah. And um and uh Chiara's like, It's alright, and Paddy'll Paddy will grab him if he needs to. And uh he's just like, Yeah, Sync or Swim. And you're like, the kid's dramatic. Yeah. It's fucking awful. So you you there's a lot of alarm bells that start to escalate, and then they then they go back and there's some other things that happen, but she says about the vegetarianism.

SPEAKER_03 44:37

They go out for dinner, don't they? That's right. They go out for dinner and they unbeknownst to them, they think they're all going out as like a family, but suddenly this guy Mujid turns up who doesn't speak any English. Oh, don't worry, he's our local babysitter. He's cheap. He's cheap, yeah. He's gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 44:53

And if he does anything, we can deport him. Ha ha ha.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

And then so they go off on this dinner and they have it at this private, like by a forager, basically. Somebody like a local guy.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Yeah, it's like like we have here Kaz. Right? Yeah, yeah. He's a forager. You go to his house and he cooks everything for you, and everything is fresh and local. Sounds good. Pretty much it.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Just as dinner starts, Paddy starts quoting the Philip Larkin poem. I can't remember what it's called, but you know the one they fuck you up, your mum and dad. Yeah. And so it's and he's like tears in his eyes starting to form. You're like, my God, there's quite a lot going on here. And it and it's kind of moving, and he's talking about his parents and the things that they did to him, and you're sort of maybe starting to accommodate some of the weirdness you see in, oh right, Paddy's damaged or whatever. And then they they talk about their sex lives and it becomes a bit unnerving for them if he does a simulated blowjob.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

Well, first of all, they do the thing about the food because he fucking grills her about you still eat fish.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:58

He calls it's basically because she's she said, sorry, I was really embarrassed. I didn't want to mention about the meat eating, but I am remember, I am vegetarian. I'm, you know, I couldn't eat the goose. And he's like, Oh right, but you but there's fish tonight. Are you okay with that? She's like, Well, yeah, I still eat fish. And he really fucking like has a not has a go at her, but he just challenges her about why is one thing okay, but the other one. And he said, Well, you know, it's like it's not as bad for the environment. He's like, Well, what about mass fishing? And you know, trawlers taking up and overfishing and depleting stocks, and she's like, Yeah, he's accused of me as being a hypocrite. This is what it's all about. It's just honesty. You know, we should be able to challenge each other and have an honest debate. And then you're like, what the fuck? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

And then it goes all sexy, and then for a minute you think, I thought, right, this is where it's going. Like, this was all about fucking, like uh swinging or whatever you think about.

SPEAKER_05 46:43

She goes his wife, Kiara, goes under the tablecloth, and it really does look like she's giving him a blowjob. And then the two Yanks are just like, they don't know where to look. Yeah. And then she wasn't really doing it. So they're a lot more repressed, I think, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

And then there's a really strange movement moment towards the end when the bill turns up and it's a lot, and then sort of offers to pay for it in that sort of you've invited us here way.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

And he just like straight away is like, Yes, I've got we need to chip in on that. And he's like, Alright, then sound. Then he just go out, pick up the car then, and he's like, Alright, so we like really aggressive through handing him just the bill.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

At about this moment, we start to get some proper backstory. So we back at the house, we get Ant. She he's showing Agnes that he's got bruises and scars all over his body.

SPEAKER_05 47:31

But he's and obviously the communication is difficult. Yeah, it's more difficult. So he's about to say he goes to He goes in and so we re- re-round this because I was like, have I missed something there? Because he's he shows like we've all got with our Castillos, but watchbox, and he just shows the girl the the inscription on the back of this one watch. And I was like, What is that? It's in Danish. Reround it, and you're like, Oh, it's foreign language, I don't really understand what's going on here. It is all like very clearly explained later on, and then there's a little bit later on, whereas there's some more like you know, Patty loses it with him or something else, and the the kids are on their own, and he writes her a note, but it's in Danish and she's like, I don't know what that means, I don't know, you know, I haven't got a clue. And then he sees the parents come home and he just eats the paper.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

Eats the paper, so he sees the dad come in and he eats the paper, and he's like, Right, okay, there's something wrong with this kid. He's trying to say something, but the movie's called Speak No Evil, and the kid's got no time.

SPEAKER_03 48:31

Yeah. And and when Paddy gets back, I think he notices that his watches have been disturbed, so he's on to it. So anyway, the next morning, there's a pretty funny scene because you're already on edge from what you've seen. And uh it's is it her coming out talking about oh, this is aching, oh why don't Paddy have a look at it? He's like, Oh, I'm not a doctor. Like he just says it really matter of factly, and you're like, What the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 48:52

Like, and I was and even me watching, I'm going, he did definitely say that he was a doctor. Yeah, twice. Twice.

SPEAKER_03 48:58

He said about selling holiday name, and he's like, he's like, No, I just sell a bit of weed and uh well it never works.

SPEAKER_05 49:04

Like what you know, I don't know what you I just like you, got you and they're just their head is spinning, they're like, they don't know what the fuck is going on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:12

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:15

So basically they he pushes it so far that they she decides that's it.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

But the boundary pushing is still.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

No, the the bottom line is in the night they go to bed. Oh, the kids are kids in the bed, yeah. And then the while Agnes is in their bed. She wakes up, goes to check on the daughter in the in the loft in the attic with the with their with their son, where they sleep in the same room, and they're not there, goes to find their bedroom, and the kids are all in the bed with Yeah, but again, because they keep setting up these social violations like that, and like the time when she's trying to tell her how to eat at the table, and then they bring up these like sympathetic stories.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

She was brought up in a care home, she didn't know how to do this. She miscarried the daughter. She apologises. Yeah. Still, she's like she miscarried a daughter and then. Well no, but that's the thing, right? That's why the daughter's dead and this is just broken and sad, like they're pulling on your heartstrings and all that. But Louise is steadily getting to the point where she's like, nah, fuck this.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

No, but that's when they leave. When they see the kids up there, that's that's the lot, that's the bottom line, isn't it? She just states the daughter and just leaves. They r go into Tesla and they just leave. But what do you think they've forgotten then? The bunny.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

Wait, but is this before the this is not before the Cotton I Joby, is it? No.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

It's before the Cotton IJobi.

SPEAKER_05 50:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they they've they're it's the middle of the night and they're they've got away. But the daughter's having a panic attack because she's forgotten the one at the fucking bunny school. So they have to go back and the dad goes in and leaves them in the car. And then it's taking a little bit of time. They're they're really having to go. Why, you know, basically you're fucking rude for leaving without the biggest.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

You're really rude for you, you know, you've abused our hospitality, you're horrible London types, basically, you don't understand us folk. We're just being happy and nice for you, and yeah, we're a bit damaged and all that, but you know, it's a make them feel real shit and they end up staying again, don't they? Because then the next day you've got the really uncomfortable cotton eye jokes.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

Well yeah, because that's when the because the scoot says he's like, Oh yeah, you know. He's like, and his missus is like, Yeah, tell them why we're leaving. He's like, Oh yeah, you know, Agnes needs to go to school, and she forg and and in the end, so you and Paddy goes, Well, no, you're not telling the whole truth. And then the wife goes, I'll tell you the truth. My daughter is in the bed with you last night and four hours ago, so we decided to leave. That's not on, and then Ciara goes, Oh, I'm really sorry, I'm from a foster home, and they lost a baby, we had a miscarriage, and all that. They feel bad and they stay, and then in the moment.

SPEAKER_05 51:59

The daughter, the two kids have have been saying to them, Oh, we want to show you this dance routine that we've done. Yeah. Well, this has been going on for ages, don't they?

SPEAKER_03 52:08

And there's also been a kind of recurring gag through the music about Paddy's terrible taste in music that he likes to sing really loud, awful internal flame comes out twice.

SPEAKER_05 52:18

And so there's like a bit of tension, and and and the dad's like, Why don't you show us your dance routine? And they're like, Oh, okay, so it's so bad, it's really bad. So this cotton eye joe, and they've got this, you know, like kids with really loud. Really lame dance routine. But Ant is terrible, like you know, the he's so odd.

SPEAKER_06 52:40

I mean, it's just a but it's yeah, it's just coordinating whatever.

SPEAKER_05 52:44

He smiles off it, right? And but Paddy seems like fucking raging at like how lame is it dancing. Just at this stupid song, and and you know, he's he's just he can't bear it because he's just getting so fucking outright. He's like, Yeah, no, no, no, it's not it's not good enough, it's not good enough. And he's he stops it and then he makes him start again. You know, you need to get on the beat, and he gets his hand going like this, and it it goes again and he makes another comment, and the two Yanks like, Come on, man, it's Luke. Just let them let them have some fun, whatever. And then he starts to really lose it and to the point where he screams at it. Does he even hit him or does he just scream at him?

SPEAKER_01 53:21

And sends him back, and he's like, You can go back.

SPEAKER_05 53:23

It's excruciated, he sends him to his room basically.

SPEAKER_03 53:25

But then the next shot is Paddy passed out on the bed, like the implication being he's done too much. Like again, there's even though you've seen so many things, another excuse. He's passed out blind drunk on the bed goes.

SPEAKER_05 53:37

This is where Ant now finally's got a keychain attached to his belt loop, which Ant and goes into the room and sort of a tense moment, like gets it without waking him, but it's under him, he has to like pull it out. And he says to Agnes, you know, follow me. And wouldn't you know it? There's a fucking dungeon like under the under the gap. Cables kind of thing. Yeah, there's a trapdoor with straw in it, they move the straw, go in, and it is just all the trophies, all the fucking suitcases, mobile phones, he's got all the in mopple bones all the different couples from different holidays that they've had back to the thing and murdered. And he he showed he's going through the photo album and he's show he's going to this time and he's pointing, he's going, mm-mm. And then he gets this one photo, and he's he's like, Look, and it's it put a man and he sees the watch, and and then the photo of the boy in the phone is Anne, and he's sticking his tongue out. So his tongue's tongue.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

He's had his many minds like this, scissor motion, three scissors just and you're like, Oh, so he's the only normal one in the family. So basically, you've seen this like scrapbook that shows how the m the this couple just meets other couples, takes them back to their place and kills them and takes their life. It's really fucking cynical, as we'll find out as well, because they just like strip them for their money and all that sort of stuff, don't they? And it all eventually kicks off. So, but at this point, only the kids know, and they quickly cover it back up. Do they get back out of that room without being caught?

SPEAKER_04 55:03

And that never happens in more so and manages to get the keys back on Addy's uh thing by asking for a piggyback in a very tense scene, and then Agnes pretends to have a period, she scratches her leg, doesn't she?

SPEAKER_03 55:18

The only way she thinks that she can get out, yeah, is to fake a period. Um tells the mummy symptoms that she has been suffering from. She now has to fake them to get out of there.

SPEAKER_05 55:30

She knows that she can use that to when when Paddy's come down, he has looked into the stable and he sees that the straw. I didn't think it looked that obvious, but he can tell that someone's been in there and put the straw kind of back. Yeah. And but Agnes has told the mum, and she had taken photos with her own phone of the photos of other families, and then there's the one of the boy with his tongue. So she's like, fuck. So she's this isn't the kid spinning yarn, she knows it's legit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:56

So now they quit she quickly kind of gets all three of them together, Ben, Louise, and the kid, and they work out what they're gonna. They have to now really politely pretend that everything's okay. Oh, but you know, she's just had a women's moment. Uh she'll just be better back at her own place. I'm really sorry, we're gonna have to leave right now, sort of thing.

SPEAKER_05 56:14

Oh, but the tire and the Tesla's been slashed.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

Well, there is one more time for him to go. You're not being completely honest with her, and that's when she says about I cheated on Bert not cheated on him, but I did this thing that I don't think our relationship will ever recover from. That's what I lied to you about. And then it's into the final stretch where it's inevitably been heading. They still eke it out with the flat tire that he helps him change the wheel for, and then the bunny's on the fucking roof and he's got to climb a ladder to get it at the last.

SPEAKER_05 56:43

It's in like an impossible spot, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 56:45

Which is for me, this is where I was like, get me out. This you can stop the film here.

SPEAKER_03 56:49

I think they really tease this bit out, and you're like, we know where this is going, and where it's going, of course, is to a sort of cat and mouse ramping the house. In at this point, we can kind of skip through it because there's you know, we don't know.

SPEAKER_05 57:00

Well it turns out that the guy from the restaurant thing in the house is in on it. Yeah. In on something, because he's not fully because they say to him, Well, now you're in it.

SPEAKER_03 57:09

He's like, if they've seen your face, now you're in it.

SPEAKER_05 57:11

So it's so there's them two, plus this guy who was cooked them that meal that night. Because they basically he's going to he's gonna inject them with ketamine and cut the tongue out. It gets him. He's gonna kill a thousand pounds to their account so they can live kill the other and then keep the girl.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

Right. And the girl's gonna have her tongue cut out, and she's gonna be. Kill everyone. They manage to get away, she's gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 57:39

She's still on a standing knife, she she sl slashes his face, and then they're able to lock them out, but they go into the gaff.

SPEAKER_06 57:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:46

And there's a few bits here. I mean, they improvise a Molotov cocktail with the Calvados that he's made, and they throw it, he tries to throw it on the roof, but it ends up eventually blowing up Paddy's car. Which he's you really Oh, you fuck my car, you cheating. Yeah, well it's fine because he's obviously not who he's pretending because at this point he becomes really West Country. And so, yeah, there's a bit where she sprays some chemical in his eyes. Eventually it will get to a point where he's incapacitated by that, and Chiara comes for them with a shotgun as they're climbing on the roof to get out of the house, and she's smashed in the face with a a tile, a roof tile, and falls off the This Louisa becomes the hair, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 58:27

She does she she offs the chef blow, whatever his name is, she hammers him, claw hammer through the head through the skull as just as he's about to push the husband onto a shard of glass. Yeah. Like a broken mirror. His the eye's like so close to it, and she hammers him through the head. She kills her, knocks her off the roof. She's sprayed bleach into Paddy's eye. Yeah. She's really come to the party at the end here. But he's not dead. He then appears with the daughter with Agnes with a gun through her head. He's got Agnes. I'm so glad I never watched this. I'm already shitting myself just listening. It's scary, it's just a thriller. But he says, Well, you think I'm gonna hurt her? I'm not, you know, he just says, No, she's staying with me. I need someone to look after me. Something like that.

SPEAKER_03 59:10

Yeah. And then she stabs him, she's pocketing. She's protecting him. So she stabs him in the leg and he just folds instantly in that respect, like literally seconds. He's just on the floor, like all spells. So at this point, and they're gonna walk out of the colour. I was joined now by my daughter to watch the finale. Perfect, perfect point. Because they're gonna walk off. Scoop McNary looks at him, considers like he's got a shotgun, and you you know what he's considering, but they don't, they walk off. Then Ant turns up, grabs a fucking breeze blog, and graphically smashes his face in like you see it scrambled, like grabbing. I look the other way.

SPEAKER_05 59:44

She's like, why? Like, you don't want to see this. So he gets his revenge. The third one you see the you know it go into his face, and oh Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

And the face splitting apart. It's like really horrible.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

And it keeps going for it because a few more, yeah. Yeah. And they get away and it's kind of bangles.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:02

That's pretty much it, isn't it? They get in the back of the car and it bruises on his face, and they're gonna go back and be in the room.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:07

They don't call the police. I'm thinking, where's the aftermath of this shit?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:11

It all sounds evil to me. Yeah. It's evil too. But we don't speak about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

No. The the greatest horror and thriller intention is definitely in the first two-thirds of the movie when it's all being set up. By the time it comes to a rampage, you so know where it's going, you just kind of think, Oh, I don't need you to take your time over this bit. You've done all the other stuff really. It's too long.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:32

Because, like, like I said, like the poster is like a sinister looking James McInvoy from the get-go. Like, although it's like it's harmless at first, he's always the one who's pushing everyone to do it. You know exactly what And you are, as a viewer, just waiting for it. You're just like, come on, let's get into it now.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

And he does do it, by the end, he's gone full mega and he's singing and you know, calling people cunts, and he's got no clothes on half the time, and all this stuff. Like, you know, it's a good, big performance from him, but yeah, it's maybe slightly too long in the last stretch. So I thought the middle stretch was too long. Maybe that maybe they didn't need to leave so many times.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:08

It felt like we didn't say well, they actually do get out, but he chucks and in the water. Yeah. And we know he can't swim, so that's when they're like, fuck, we have to go back for him. You know, so they go back again. Yeah. You know, I suppose they go.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:22

But the social stuff is so good. It's like really tense. And if you've ever been the not as good couple at one of those sorts of things, or felt that pressure. Anytime I've been to something. Yeah. Then yeah, it really preys on that. The original version, the couple were killed, and the kid had her cunning. They're stoned to death, the couple. They just they take it. Basically, ends at the point where the the ruse is discovered. That the couple are taken outside, stoned to death, the girl has her tongue cut off. Very deep. She basically like the fulfilment of the plan. And I the director who was brothers, wasn't it? The director of the original. Trondheim or something. They were disappointed. Christian Taftrop. He was very disappointed in what he called the Americanization. Wait, it's nothing like the original. Of of that. Yeah. Very oblique, isn't it? The the original's uh thing. I I like this on its own. Had you seen the original? Yeah, I have seen it now. Yeah. Yeah. They're very different films. I th probably the first one is even more visceral, but I really like McAvoy in this. Yeah. I like McAvoy.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:32

You know, I've liked Jack in this, and it looks like he's got a big dick as well, because he's here in his like boxes.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

Yeah, but he's like, he's he's good. He's he is good. To be fair, he's him and the kid. The the the kid with uh the kid was good. Yeah, he was good. Yeah. I the way he acted and he tried obviously he has a tongue real life, right? So I I thought the kid was good. I do like the Scoot Scooterson because he's just old Scooty. Was it not the case that Kiara was also a girl that he says that, but I didn't know if that was bollocks or well no because he said that we got together 17 years ago and she looks he looks like 38 or 40, like right he said and she looks like 28, right? And he's like 17 years ago. And she kind of goes, How old was she? So you kind of sense that because when she cuts him with uh Stanley and they lock them in the barn, he batters her the he batters her, and also she's like, No, no, I'm a victim too, you need to get me out. Yeah, that's right. She does shout that.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

I know, but you've been manipulated so many times by this point you don't even know what's real, do you?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

Yeah. I thought I I took it, I took it as a verbatim that she was victim. Yeah, it could have been the first one.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:46

But she came back and she's definitely been present for a lot of the murders though, because we see all the buddies.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:52

In all the photos, but she came back and and kind of finished him off, helped finish him off. Did she do that? I like the awkward dinners and stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:59

Yeah, that's the awkward dinners and the the weirdness where these two youngsters is like this is so weird.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

And the particularly unique thing of when somebody you like over parents your kid in a way that you wouldn't like, that's like a pretty specific thing that you only ever experience as a parent.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:18

Because the the the when they do it in the film is they they tell her to not chew with her mouth open. Yeah. And then he says you shouldn't beat your kid for being shit a dancing. He's like, Oh no, you're telling me how to parent my kid. I don't think these are the same things. Not the same thing, not the same thing, Patty.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:35

I I I've had it before. Have you ever had this before where you've been another parent has chipped in on your kid.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:41

Everyone, I think every parent has had that, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:44

Not nobody was a psycho when it happened with me, but no, nobody was a psycho, but I I've had people where they've overstepped the mark, yeah. And I've I've I've said, I goes, Yeah, well, that's your kid. You have sex with your own daughters. We do our kid differently. One one of unnamed people said something about sun queen on our kids, and they were like, You don't need sun queen, like you know, it's not hot enough or whatever, like this. And I was like, Yeah, we we're gonna like you do you do your kid. I've got my boundary, you've got your I've I do mine, but it was just it really irritated me that the fact that they would have them killed kind of imagine an entire entire movie full of that kind of microaggression and you've got speak no evil.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:29

Strong recommend for me. Strong, yeah, very strong. Strong.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:33

15 million US. Okay. Box office? Winner, loser, what do we think? Probably loser. I'm a loser, baby. What would they break you one? You're a loser because it took seventy seven million US. I tell you what.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:47

Then again, these kind of psycho things are always a winner in the US, aren't they?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:52

On that budget with a pretty big name like Matthew. Yeah, back over, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

And school school to Sun.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

And scooter. No, I won't lock him. He's He's brilliant in this, yeah. It's very good. They're all good. Louise is great.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:03

Um, it's not it's not a scary film. You could you could you could watch it in a great one. Honestly, Dan. It's just like I was like a bit it's like awkward, but it's not scary.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:11

I'm a bit like you where with the when I seen and uh the for me give me Dan. The best meter I can tell you is I watched this with Kira and she watched the whole thing with him. Okay, and didn't even phone or laptop no nothing. And you can do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:29

Give me a thing where somebody's about to lose the championship but then they win the championship. That's more me. Could be Spurs this season. It won't be Spurs this season. But okay. It it sounded sounded like a strong recommend and it sounds like it's getting a strong recommend.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:51

What we haven't given everyone this week is a walking football update. Yeah, we need to be updated. Oh yeah. We had a game midweek. If it had been dark, it would have been under the light.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:01

If you've been listening to the start, fast forward to this moment. For this. What? If you've been listening to the start of fast forward to the moment. If you've been waiting for the the the walking football update, you need to fast forward to this. I wouldn't have known that until they all know so infuriating for the Yeah, we had an evening game, midweek game. Wow, what the fuck was going on there? We're all in bed. Did you score a hat trick? Well, let's find out. Did I?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:27

Well, we were playing formerly bottom of the league team, who are now one better. Like third. Because they're the penultimate team in the league. Wow. So we were expecting, I think, possibly an easier game than what transpired. Yeah, they said they've changed signed on. Yeah, you've got a couple of guys who I think coach Minis or A couple of them are under 60. Yeah, which is which has been our advantage. Just unfair for other people to have that advantage. But yeah, I think one of the guys, the guy that plays up front, Darren, I think he coaches like an under 14 team, so he's not always available on a Sunday. Right. But for midweek game. So they went one and up, which took us by surprise. We got it back to one-one. Then they went two and up, which is irritating. I think we got about two. Gome's got a couple. Two or three?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:13

I think it was two two at half-time or two. Then we like we we put our foot on the gas and we had a we had a little bit, you know, when they they go over the top in the movies, they twist the hat round, or they slap each other in the face and they go, God, you've got to get better than that. Sh sh Yeah. We needed a motion. We needed half time, we needed a motivational challenge. We had a half-time beatdown.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:33

Yeah. So we came out all guns blazing and we we like fucking quickly turned them over. Someone gave away a penalty. We don't need to dwell on that. No. It was me. So they're not. But it wasn't the only penalty.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:43

We gave away two penalties that game.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:44

Well the first goal was a pen. That was dubious because they pushed James into the box. Anyway, it went five three with that pen and then we scored a really good goal. Really good goal to make a six-three and we said we won. So we're now six. It's me. Was it Smee? Was it Smee? Assist by you? No, did you get six? I thought it was you. No, I I no, I did a nice sort of pass into I had to redeem myself.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:09

You and the assist kick. I did manage to uh bang in Dan got three. A little high. But it was only in the second half five minutes or so.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:18

They were running quite a lot. I you know, I really felt that they the referee wasn't on it. And that's what everyone's here for. Yeah, so we we won, and now we have only two games. One league game left and one cup final. Yeah. Sounds like two cup finals to me. It is rigged. It's massive. Sunday is huge, that's Trinity. This Sunday? Yeah, I'm taking the team. Oh Denlar's not there, so I'm in charge. And that's is that at the Hover Football? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so it's all to play for. So tune in next week for today's release. Someone's norms one of you two. I think it's Chris. I think it's Christian. Christian, so we await those.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:56

And we look forward to some couple of short movies.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:59

Yeah. All that remains is to say tidy signing out. A lot of it there. Rita's left the building.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:04

Dan's gone.