Soderbergh Movies & Traffic

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Hi guys. Oh. Read is back. Yeah. We. Bonjour. Yeah. Bonsoir. Bonsoir. Two weeks on Francais. Oui. Deux semaines. Deux semaines.

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Yeah. It was good. It was great. So don't think you've had time to do proper intros? No, nothing like that. I don't think anybody's interested in that anymore, anyway, are they? And I I am. I am. I think it's quite funny. We'd like the punishment.

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Consuming a lot of time that I like the way that it all goes really downhill after it.

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Let's get straight into something that's something's back this week that we've missed over the summer. The Primitivo. The walking football.

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Oh, it's back, is it? Yes, it was back yesterday.

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We had our maiden fixture of the season yesterday. How did you get on? Debut, third season. You know, it's the third season blues, a lot of teams. Rosale handling. Okay. Boom, shakalaka laka. Put them to the store, didn't we? We scored goals. Well. Goals galore. I didn't score any goals. Daniel, how many did you get? I got one. Okay. I got a toe poke. And I forgot my boots and shin pads. So overall, not a bad day at the office considering.

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A goal was scored by us that it's possibly goal of the season contender already.

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Well, it is goal of the season contender, but it might be the winner already. Okay. Reminiscent of sort of Ajax of the 70s or Brazil.

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No, it was a through ball where Ad did a kind of pirate finish where he backheeled it, like fucking connected with it pure, like in the bottom corner. It was so good.

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It was just unbelievable. It stunned his stunned everyone to silence.

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Because Martin, their goalkeeper, would save like quite a lot. He always saves quite a lot because he's he's a big fellow and he he knows what he's doing in goal. Yeah. If you're not hitting bottom corner, he's gonna see.

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Is that Martin Blanc?

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Yeah. So hit so he had been out the on the Saturday practice for his son's wedding, and then at the end, can't remember if it was Gomes or someone might have been you, no, you might be not someone had a shot and he fell back and he whacked his head on the side. It was his alley, yeah. Well if the hangover wasn't bad enough, yeah. You just ratted your head against the brooch. It took a little bit demoralized by the biggest.

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So he won 6-2, all in all. 6-2. I mean it was nil when I came off the pitch. I was just saying it was yeah, we 2-0 up when you came off. And I also came off, I think we scored another three after I came off. So they're they're learning to do without us. Yeah, you know, that's what we want. We want game our fledglings to fly because we've been there since the early days and starters and finishers seeing these young is actually.

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There's a new team in the league who we think are just complete cunts. Okay. Yeah. Oh, there's swears and spools to come in this podcast. FYI. If that didn't wine. They've gone round and like acquired like a Man City, just got played with other teams.

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Or a Chelsea of all they just rebuilt their midfield just.

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I think it's basically born out of First Tower. That club folded, and so they've they're now under the Simbrella's umbrella. So they've got a couple of people from St. Paul's, they've they've taken the best player from St. John, the best player from Roselle. And you're like what a bunch of fucking losers. I just think it's really fucking.

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We're not sure that any of them really like each other. They're just there to win. That's what they've got to do to to try and beat you.

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Well no, to beat 20 year old people, they just I don't know. Whatever, fucking we'll well we'll take great delight in beating them. Yeah.

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But that was big news, yeah. It was lots of fun and coffees were had and amazing.

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The social committee met after the after the down dog.

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We're planning the Christmas deal already. Yeah. Yeah. The the germs of when do we we can I we can only meet on a the the eighteenth or the twenty fifth. The eighteenth's out, I don't know. The eighteenth's out, so we're meeting on Christmas Day. It seems right. That's that's when the best people meet.

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Other than that, what did you watch this week, Dan?

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I actually, beyond the the homework, watched Early Man. The Ardman Oh, no, yeah, yeah.

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Oh no, I I know the other thing I'm gonna say because we did discuss this earlier. Yeah, so the Ardman It's some anniversary year of Ardman, isn't it? Fifty years of Ardman or something this year, or 40 years of a year.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

Oh really, yeah. It it came on at work actually, and I was just in my break time and somebody had it on the TV. I was like, I don't think I've seen this before, and it's football, you know, they're they're playing against the Bronze Age, the caveman against the Bronze Age. And I was like, it's really good, like you know, just as Ardman is, is they're just the detail, the characters' faces, the the animation and everything, it is so fantastic. So I ended up watching it on Sunday as the the Wharf and Nellie had been away all summer. I thought, oh, it's a really nice one for us just to watch all together. It's about an hour and twenty minutes or fifteen minutes or something. So we can just about the length of time that we can all sit in one room together, and we watched that and it was really good and enjoyed that. Also, watched a bit of Ted Lasso, the last series not started very well. We're three episodes in, we've had one collective laugh between us. Is it not a real laugh to episode ratio? It's not great, but really enjoyed the first three seasons of this, so felt a little bit of loyalty to give it away. Yeah, it's it they're phoning it in, really. It's it's not fantastic. And then I watched, and I don't know why, but I'd not seen them before, and I watched that thing they did too of grown-ups, yeah. Grown-ups with Adam Sandler, yeah, yeah, yeah. David Spade, who I really like. I like David Rock. Kevin James, Kevin James and Chris, is it Chris Rock?

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Racism Chris Tucker? No, it's Chris Rock.

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I think it is Chris Rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're all grown up together, they were on a basketball team together. The other one that was was it Roy Oh Schneider. Schneider, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a feeling that David Spade might be a good one.

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You can do it. David Spade might be a complete cunt, is he? Maybe, but he's I'm putting it out there, anyway.

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He's he's he's got a big thing. Is this the one where they go to some water park at some point? Yeah. His other one. Yeah.

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And Schneider's got I I why do I keep thinking when I say boy Schneider, I'm thinking of the Jaws guy. Because I think that's you've got the name wrong, I think, isn't it? Yeah, Rob Schneider. Rob Schneider. Rob Schneider. Yeah, that's exactly why. Thanks, Reese. Good to have you back. And he was he's got really hot door. That's pretty much all I remember from it. No, there was a couple of laughs in there, it surprised me. I like Adam Sandler, he wasn't on top, top form here.

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This is the one with Salma Hayek in it as well.

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Yeah, where she's really fit, and that's his mission. She's the the wife of Mr. Hollywood, he's a Hollywood producer, yeah. And that the the others have had various kinds of success or failures in growing up and with families and things and divorces, but they all get bet together because the coach has died, that they had their only successful basketball championship from their their little town that you know only care about. But they'd all got together and rented this house and try to tap into the fact that you know life isn't in a mobile phone and they should connect together more like they did when they were young. Play walking football play a bit of walking football, all that kind of jazz. And it had more laughs than than I've had in Ted Lassous out of the city.

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Is that the one where they go to some restaurants and your kids goes and you got a boss? Yeah. And they're like, Oh, I can give you a tap water. What? Like from the holes. Yeah. So there's kids really it's alright, it's not as bad as you may think.

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Have you seen it? No. Oh, honestly, it's not that bad. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. They did a second one because obviously I made enough money to just find it.

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The other people thought it was. Kevin James.

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Here comes the boot.

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There's a few, there's a few.

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What about Roy Schneider? Rob Schneider. European Gigaloo and whatever male. Oh, the European Gigolo.

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That's a huge bitch. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of jokes that don't hit home, but they just tell they're relentless, so some of them do.

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Chris, anything? I've watched, I'm gonna say I'm probably six or seven episodes of In the Sun. Six yeah, it's like the I told you it's the Pierce Brosnan Western thing. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's I I I still kind of enjoy it. It's a Western. It doesn't, it doesn't bother me. It doesn't, you know. They kill loads of Mexicans in it as well, which is, you know, something you're proud of quite topical. Uh I'm not pro, I know. I I like Mexico. I don't know. No, this week's this week's film has got a lot of people with that sort of stuff. I love uh Mexican food and the people that I met from Mexico so far. I can tackle or leave it. There's low people. So yeah, I watched that. Uh again, I think there's two seasons, and I'm gonna say maybe there's ten episodes in the first season. I'm gonna watch that and probably get bored and not watch the second season. And uh I finished the Earth, Wind and Fire documentary because I had like 20 minutes left of it, and I quite enjoyed that.

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Okay. Wind and Fire.

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That guy was really cool, actually. The the whatever his name was, something white. Peter. Barry White or whatever. Barry White, yeah. He was quite interesting and quite spiritual and The Wars of Love.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

Barry White was in Earth, Wind and Fire. Is that what we're saying?

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I don't think I don't think we are saying that.

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Okay. No, the the guy that is the the main guy from I can't remember his name. Harry White. I don't think it's Barry White. I'm pretty sure his uh White is the surname. But anyway. Angela White. Perm, he's got a perm anyway, the the guy. Is it Walker? Is it White Walker? No. No, it's different shirt. Uh I don't know, but it was quite nice. I enjoyed that because I like the music and it's it's quite interesting. And that was it. Nothing.

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What song did they sing?

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Do you remember? Oh yeah. And there's loads of others, but that would be the one that I would say is the the most famous. What about you, Uncle Cy? French. Have you watched First Things First? Have you watched any French television? And if you did, do you know that there's a TV show in France that is called Match of Z Day? Match of Z Day. Yeah, that's how they do it's exactly Match of the Day. And it's with Rory Smith who writes for The Athletic. But it's Match of Z Day, and it's it's written as E.

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But PSG keep losing, aren't they?

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Yeah.

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No. So did you I didn't see that. No, and I didn't watch any French television, no. Nothing. No? No? No, no, no. No. But I did, was accompanied on the trip with by Jack Reacher in the region of the Twitter. Oh, Jack Reacher was all that all four seasons. He said he's not doing any more, isn't he? The guy. There's one more, isn't there, I think? The season five, and then that's it. Is it any good? Yeah, I really like it now. I've come to it's like sort of hypercompetent male power fantasy like escapism. Right? He's like this sort of six foot five, like massive guy's always. Is it the really buff Adam Richter or whatever isn't it? Adam Richten, Rich Richard, the Adam really fun gentlemen. Yeah, that buffer.

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Is that him, the the super buff guy?

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So but he's like always in control of the situation, knows what's going on, even if he looks like he's on the back foot, and he's like he's this massive guy, so a lot of the fun is like seeing him throw people around like they're fucking children, but also he's not afraid to fight really dirty as well. Like he'll poke someone in the eyes, and like and then so but he's also really clever in the first season is about him like uncovering this sort of scandal in a small town, and then the second one goes into the his background. Is he always fighting children? No, but everybody's like a child to him because he's six foot five, he's so big, like he's all that's the thing, like he's always in control of the situation, and it gets interesting because you see his background in the second one, he's a military, you know, former military policeman and special investigators unit and all that. In the third season, he comes up against a guy who's bigger than him, and they tease it from the first episode. The guy he's fighting, Olivier Richters, I think is his name. He's seven foot two, he's honestly just ridiculous, this guy. So then it's it's good like working out how Jack Reach is gonna beat this guy, he's so much bigger than him. And then the fourth one has gone like to prison break levels of like every episode ending on it, well, they're dead. They're all dead. There's no way out of this. But they're not dead.

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We did a tall episode, we talked about Giants last week, yeah. Yeah. I think I could. Well, he would have definitely in the conversation.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Yeah, but it's strong recommend. Like, really it's funny, it's quite clever the plots, and it's good, violent action as well. Do the episodes that the season have one story, or is it yeah, it's like each one is like a whole story, like a book like sort of thing. And there are recurring characters, but you could watch any of them out of sequence.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

No, no, but if it's like so, let's say each episode, does he solve a case in each episode? Or is it like one part for each other?

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So one season is one book is one. And it's Lee Child, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Yeah, the author of And I started listening to the audiobook as well, and that's good as well. It's quite interesting to see what he actually took some of the character to. Well it's getting a reach around. So you're watching Reacher, listen to your audiobook, Reacher in my head, right?

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Getting a reach around. Fantastic. Nice. Great holiday.

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So you? I have continued with Barry. It's good, innit? I'm now on Seas 3. Yeah. Hank and Rick, Christabel, supplied as brilliant.

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Has it had the fight with is it Chad Stileski or whatever, the one that he has in his apartment with that guy? It's just an unbelievable thing.

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Uh Jamie, who was on the pod a couple of weeks back, I recommended Barry to him and he messaged me yesterday. Just just watched the first episode of Barry, and I was like, what do you think? And she replied, strong recommendation. He's been fully indoctrinated into the ways of that. And then I saw him at work this morning and he's done the whole of the first series, so he's going to overtake me actually. But it's been brilliant. And I watched a movie that wasn't homework, it was a brand new one on Netflix, The Whisperman. Alright. Oh, De Niro. De Niro, yeah, he's he's not the main guy in it, it's Michelle Monaghan and Adam Scott. Scott? I like Adam Scott. Anyway. It's a pretty generic serial killer child sort of his his MO is killing kids, but they've caught him. And it was Janeiro, who was the police cop who caught him the first time round, and he's Adam Scott's dad, but it ruined his life. He hit the booze, he was became estranged from his family. Adam Scott really resents him. And Michael Keaton was the whisper man, but it's happening again. Oh, yeah. It's there's two kids. Michael Keaton was in it, do you say? He's the killer, he's the whisper man, he's the original whispered man. But somebody else is whispering. It's probably me. Yeah, we talked about it a little while ago. There's another kid that turns up dead, and then Adam Scott's kid is kidnapped and taken away. And so he has to get back in touch with De Niro and blah blah blah blah blah. And so they solve it, and spoiler alert, it turns out to be Michael Keaton's son. Following in his father's footsteps. Yeah, there's a guy who collects serial killer memorabilia. And to get something, he's connected Michael Keaton. He's getting he's got a phone to him somehow, and he's got in touch with his son, who's actually in witness protection. And it's really needlessly convoluted. It's a copycat thing, and it's almost like a copycat movie about the sort of serial killer movies. But I still really enjoyed it because it's sort of sinister and the performances are good, in it. And then at the end, for some reason, and this is n the other people who have seen this may contradict me, but there had been no So Adam Scott's character had had an imaginary friend when he was a kid, and his son has an imaginary kid now. And they thought it's oh don't worry, it's completely normal, but you can't now it's a supernatural something or other, isn't it? He's like, Don't worry, it's it's completely normal to have an imaginary. I had one, but you also kind of need to get over it and sort of uh and then at the end, when he's being stalked and chased by the killer, when you get into the the culmination of the film, you see the kid being chased with their imaginary friend, and then when it's all resolved, he's there with his dad, and he goes, Oh, because the mum is dead. Yeah. He's like, Oh, mum helped me with that. She was the imaginary friend. And then he looks at a photo and he and he goes, Oh, and you're like, wait, in the last 30 seconds, it turns out that there was It was a ghost, a ghost of his mum helping the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Uh really took the shine off it for me. But I just everything you've said makes me not want to watch the movie, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

Yeah, I get that. I sort of enjoyed it. That last that last sort of 90-second bit was stupid, but I enjoyed the rest of it. Michael, I mean it's got Michael Keaton in the back.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Yeah, some good actors, aren't they?

SPEAKER_04 17:37

Yeah, and they're they're good in it. So I enjoyed that. And then homework. Homework. We're gonna do top five talking about Steven Soderbergh stuff. Yeah. And then we're gonna talk about traffic. Yes, that is what the plan is.

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Terrific. Should we crack on with Steve? Let's do it. Let's do him.

SPEAKER_04 17:59

Right. I haven't done a uh like a specific person-related top five in a little while. What draw you to this, Chris?

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Well, to be fair, I said last week that I'm gonna do either an actor. I initially I thought I thought it would be an actor that blah blah blah. And then I thought, well, what can I what film can I do? What and and I can't remember I initially I I'm I'm pretty sure I probably thought of Benicio del Toro. Yeah. Because I do like him and and he's got such a wide range of of everything and anything.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

He's one of Wales's best actors. Yeah. Puerto Rico, no. Oh, that's him, yes. I'm pretty sure it's Puerto Rico.

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And and then I I can't remember how I looked at traffic because I was looking at But you were looking at behind the candelabra first, which we'd already done. Yeah, but it was traffic and behind the candelabra. Ah, I see. So being Stephen Soderbergh. Soderbergh double joint. Well, that was initially what I thought, and then I thought, well, Benicio del Toro and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do these ones because I I I've not seen the because I uh you guys did it for the pod, but I I didn't see it the behind the candelabra.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

But you chose Michael The Midweek, which we recorded and you could listen to the city.

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And Soderbergh was a producer on that one, so he was connected.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was terrific. We loved that. And it had some of his collaborators, frequent collaborators in Clooney and all that. Yeah.

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And I think that's kind of how and I thought, right, well, I'm not gonna do the actor, I'm just gonna do Soderbergh because he'd done so many films.

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He does act occasionally.

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He appears every now and then. Okay. He also He retired in 2017, then went on to direct about a million films over the next few years.

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He edits off. He does he does the cinematography, but under pseudonyms. Oh, right, okay. So he did stuff on traffic under a pseudonym. Well he's got loads of he edits under a female pseudonym, Mary's. Mary. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

Right, okay. Well look, I I all this I didn't know, but Mary and Bernard. I'll tell you what I actually wanted to do was which I I probably can't because it's a two-part thing, but my favorite out of all these ones that I've seen that he produced or he got involved with was Che. Because I I watched it's a two-parter, isn't it? Yeah, it's a two-parter, and they're both two and a half hours. And they're both Benito del Toro. Should have done it this week. Well, yeah, exactly. But that was the thing because I actually thought about that initially. Because I I do like the story and I do like the Have you ever eaten in Bond Street Social over here? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

What's the vibe in here? It's weird.

SPEAKER_05 20:30

I don't think they're communists themselves. I think it's more of a bit random. I think it's because they went to Cuba and they got the that as a souvenir. Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Well it he he's Che's become all the kind of things that he probably wishes that he he wasn't. But you know, that his symbol of the R. Well, he's a symbol for the revolutionary, right? And and for Not saying they wouldn't be that, but he he's normally in places, in commercial places, like And on 14-year-old kids' t-shirts.

SPEAKER_05 21:02

Yeah. People get him tattooed without necessarily knowing what he actually says. What the story was or what he what he really was. And I've read a book on or Guevara, and I've seen the films. And I have to give him the film is very, very accurate. And the film, especially the first part, is more his beginning, which is kind of like the motorcycle diaries, isn't it? Yeah, well that's what I mean. That's what I was gonna say. It's pretty much like the motorcycle diaries where he's just a guy, he's just at university, he but he goes to America, he's very well educated. Yeah, he's more of a like an idealist before the the revolutionary. There's uh apparently there's uh after he goes to America to translate for Peter Castro, he is uh there's a report on him because obviously in those times, whoever comes from Cuba in America, they were profiled and and he that apparently, because on i that's widely considered to be true. True that in the report it said that he's dangerously educated, dangerously high educated for a South South American. Kind of that. So and and he's always tr tried to be influenced by certain people, but he stayed true to his and and he was because he was a doctor, he treated so many people, but he was also conflicted with how the orders from Fidel Castro because he wasn't their leader of the rev revolutionary the revolution in Cuba. He was a a general, he was a main character in it, but he still took orders, and if you take orders, allegedly he executed people, so it's not just this idealism of what he stands for, and he's such a nice guy and he saved so many lives, he was also a soldier.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

So so there is two films on that by Stevie Soderbergh. And then he's done the like I was looking today just how many movies this guy's been involved in. Shake of our Shake Barra and Steve Soberg. He's very prolific. Yeah. He not just, as you say, acting he's made two since we started recording this podcast. At least two photography, sound, he and all aspects of film as well, because he started off with obviously was it the character and video save, yeah. Um the palm d'or. Which was one of his earlier kind of movies, which being budget, he did everything on and then probably learnt to love film and Andy McDowell was in that one, wasn't she? Um and so you've chosen for his the whole week to get involved with Steve.

SPEAKER_05 23:36

Yeah, because it's also a wide enough palette of films. Or I think we've all seen quite a few of his films.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

I know it's true what you said. He's got sci-fi in there, he's got action films, he's got biopics, he's got comedies, biopics.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

He's been involved in. You have to go on his IDMB or AMP. He could do one of those. One of those. You'd have to go on to his page, his wiki page, to see just how many films he's been involved in. Letterboxd. You wouldn't actually even see his name on because as you mentioned, there's various pseudonyms that he uses for different roles that he plays. Marianne Bernard is one, he plays a cinematographer, or that's a cinematographer. Mary was the edit his editing pseudonym. But there's there was a couple of others as well, at least one or two more.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

That so the Marianne one, that was his mother's maiden name, that's why I chose that name. Nice. And Peter Andrews is when he does the cinematography, which I think traffic is one of the ones. You're gonna got any offerings for us?

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Uh was Solaris? Did you ever see that one?

SPEAKER_04 24:47

Yeah, I did see it. I really liked it. Yeah. It was a remake of it. It's a sci-fi. It was a remake of a very difficult Russian version, it was like seven-hour.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Tartovsky, yeah, Grenadine Tarto or whatever his name was. Wasn't it like a four-hour sort of sci-fi thing? This one is still a pretty lengthy movie, and most of it is like pretty sparsely shot. Natasha McElhana or something, isn't it? Yeah, plays his he's on a space station, maybe a dead ghost alien wife, maybe. They don't tell you, and it's better not to kill you know worry too much about it because it's more like a meditation on loss and connection and all that stuff. And very quiet, a really quiet movie. You can hear anything like you know, yes, people squirming in their seats and all that sort of stuff as the movie goes on. That's a really good one, Solaris. Yeah, I I really enjoyed that one. It's another one you were talking earlier about Clay Clooney, like he's in this one. Great character piece, looking weary, but also kind of stylish at the same time. Tells to make Clooney look bad. Yeah. Do you remember Contagion?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:49

That came out in 2011, and it was people sort of like that and it did okay. And then Covid came along, and it had like a massive new like lease of life. Yeah. But it was really good. I really liked it. Not just because Gwyneth Boucho dies early on and has a head cut open and no brain.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

That's wrong with Matt Damon in, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 26:09

Matt Damon is husband. And you get all the conspiracy bullshit, it was like really like eerily spot on.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

There was so much of it that was so pressy and it it turned, you know, you saw that one, it was non-linear as well. You saw she wasn't patient zero. There was another guy where she fucked the guy on a uh on the way back from a work trip, and he I know.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Was that like was she she being punished basically for being unfaithful by starting to be able to do that?

SPEAKER_04 26:38

Well, yeah, sort of, yeah. And then you saw where it came from, and it was a bat, bat had shat into a pig farm or something, and then made its way into a bowl of food. And so yeah, you had this sort of global pandemic. I mean, I just remember Ed Lawrence Fishburne was the s head of the whatever, you know, authority it was. The research or whatever. He was saying, right, we're now in fucking lockdown, you know. This is eight years before we had the lockdown. And people were saying, you know, what you're gonna how can you justify that? It's like I'd rather have people being fucking annoyed about being, you know, in lockdown than having millions of people fucking dead on the street. And then, you know, years later we had to fucking go through all that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

In that one there was more sort of rioting and people vomiting blood, and our contagion was like more sniffling and people did die. People did die, particularly in the early days, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:27

And in this one they had, you know, what the potential remedy might be, and it was such and such a drug that it was lot it was on a lottery basically for people's birthdays or whatever. Yeah, and then it was rising to get that stuff. So that was that one really struck a chord with people, I think. Yeah. Syriana.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Oh, it's another Cloney. Yeah. He's a bit fat in this one and got a big beard. I was gonna say he's got a beard. Is he fat in this one?

SPEAKER_04 27:52

I'm sure I know he had a bit of a beard. They make an in-joke about it in one of the oceans films. Brad Pitt tells him to keep the weight off in between, which was a reference to him putting on weight for this film, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

Yeah, he he was a bit chunky in this, but uh again, like I can't remember what it's about. Tell us, Daniel. Well, it Middle East Middle East and conflict. It's it's Middle East conflict, it's about lost political in and goings and outgoings, and it was quite uh a confusing plot, to be honest. It wasn't anything that was and I find a lot of his films actually, these serious ones, they do cut back, they go back, they're they're in Sepia, they're He likes to play around with time and direct this one though. No, he was the executive producer. The section eight stuff were clearly the executive producer, which basically he helps get people into supporting the movie to get it made, doesn't it? And I yeah, I believe that McMahon was in this one as well. Doesn't a kid goes in the swimming pool at one point, I remember that. Yeah, in the swimming yeah, yeah. And I'll I'll be honest, like when I was looking through the the Soderbergh films there I've seen a lot of them. There's loads of I've got so many gaps, loads of gaps I've got. But there's I when I was trying to make a top five here, I was like, and you know, I do normally when I do this, I I do my own top five, and I know that one of those is gonna go into our top five. There wasn't any that I would say that there's a few that I'll get into that I I really get behind. I think they're they're really great movies, and Michael Clayton would be like one of those that we did for the midweek, yeah, that I would certainly suggest now as being a fantastic, fantastic movie. I just like I've only seen it once, I will watch that again, like definitely. But he's very, very talented, but there's and can do all this different different genres, but yeah, none that not as many as he's done films, they're not all bangers for me, is what I'm saying. What his films, his film, his filmography.

SPEAKER_01 30:11

I think he delivers a consistently high level they're high, they're good, they're he could do he could do so.

SPEAKER_04 30:17

Traffic, I say, like he can do highbrow stuff, he can do kind of Oscurbatey stuff. I'm gonna put it out there. I think that's quite oscurated. But he can do like multiplex, like not lowbrow, but like bums on seats, it's really entertaining. Yeah, which which I really enjoyed. That was great.

SPEAKER_05 30:33

Which uh which I was gonna say because it's for me that's it's comedy, really. It's also it's a comedy caper movie. It's quite funny, it's it's got a bunch of good actors and and a listers, if you want to call them driver, with people that you would know and everyone, and then there again, you know they're good actors. But Daniel Craig, in the midst of his James Bond stuff, yeah, doing a like guy with silly hair and a funny accent. A silly southern with an accent and all that. And again, is it gonna be an Oscar-hitting film? Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

That's just for fun. Is it gonna be Well, no, but then it did have like it was this sort of heisty thing, wasn't it? But then it also had a bit to say about like disability and how the Americans treat their like returning veterans.

SPEAKER_05 31:12

That's a great message, but at the same time, this is what I mean. It's it's almost like, okay, well, he can do and and I'm not gonna I'm gonna put the name out there because I actually, as much as I think it's based also on a true story, if I'm if I'm sh if I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure he got at least an Oscar for this or Julia Roberts. At least an Oscar. Oscar for Aaron Brockovich. Yeah. So it's not Ering Brockovich, where it's like this serious, you know, court case, you know, where the world should be watching and a single mum doing all this. No, this is Logan Lucky, it's quite funny, and these two prisoners it's a popcorn movie. Yeah, it's just like fun. But Breeze, it's an hour and twenty minutes or whatever is just how I don't think I've seen it to be fair.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Jennifer did it for the party, fuck. Reside in that. I don't know, you might, but maybe it's quite you with it. Everyone that watched it really enjoyed it, as I repeated. I would I would suggest that I wasn't there that we were there.

SPEAKER_05 32:07

I would say that was really good. So so again, I'm I'm gonna say Logan Lucky, and then I didn't mention Aaron Brockleby, but someone might have a lot more to say about that. I refuse to watch that one.

SPEAKER_04 32:17

Really? Yeah, I don't like Julie Roberts, so I gunned it. It's a good film though.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

I know, I'm sure it is. Wonder Bra did a lot of the marketing for that movie, didn't it?

SPEAKER_05 32:25

Yeah. She won the Oscar. Uh I'm pretty sure there was a I'm pretty sure either her or someone in that film or the film itself won an Oscar.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

That's a true E as well, and it's about you know somebody just won't go away being really persistent with this. Carried on with others like cases after the fact.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

Yeah, yeah, she's still going as an activist, so fair play, but yeah, I don't want to watch that. Yeah. Have you got anything else?

SPEAKER_01 32:48

I've got yeah, well, how could are we nomining or are we like just a quick Magic Mike, I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 32:57

Yeah, male nudity. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

I'm not saying I've not seen this one. Because a lot of his No, I've not seen Magic Mike. I know a lot of his movies around like Greed and corporate greed and and frontal male nudity.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

But it this one isn't though, uh, well, no, again, it is a little bit about the American dream and chasing money because it's Channing Tatum becoming a sort of Chippendale and it's got Matthew McConaughey as the boss man. McConaughey? Yeah, exactly. So fucking bad. There's so hot. And it's an amazing scene.

SPEAKER_04 33:27

Channing Tatum was this pre-acting career, wasn't he? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:31

Well that's what he was doing.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

He he took a thing that was being used to kind of ridicule him and turned it into this story with Soderbergh. It's a great scene where he's trying to get a loan and the woman can't give it to him in the bank, but she's basically eyeing him up like he's a piece of meat, like salivating at him. It was really good. I think Meeg nominated it. He did.

SPEAKER_04 33:48

It was like the sixth week of the project, thinking that me and he was home and like fucking grass.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Yeah, it was really good. Had Kevin Nash in it as well, who's a former wrestler, one of those fucking massive guys. Yeah, it was so many bosses. He's called in that. I can't remember. We must have seen Dick in that film. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03 34:05

Oh, then we might have done it. You can't remember.

SPEAKER_04 34:08

It's not my nominally amazing. It was just nominate. Is that your nom? No, I've got one more that I wanted to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Do another round if you can do another round. Because I've got another one.

SPEAKER_04 34:17

Well, I was gonna talk about the oceans ones, but I thought someone probably got that for their nom. No more? No. So that's that's the trifecta oceans. So this is like where it's proper popcorn stuff just exists for fun and entertainment. And they are fucking really entertaining. Twelve are not so great, I don't think. The first one I just still enjoyed trying to do it. The first one is very good. Amazing, but it's I really like 13.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

13's good as well. It's my favourite. And it takes place in that weird reality where is Julia Roberts actually a real person in it or not?

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Like, you know, well, the the Oceans 12 is the one where she plays herself. Yeah. Well, that's the one where she doesn't play herself, but they they like she looks a bit like that fame actress now. Oh my god. There's a lot of phoning in in that one. But 13's Al Pacino, and he kind of it's like mega acting Al Pacino. Yeah. You know when Rob Bryden does impersonations of Al Pacino, I think it's based on this, yeah. Where he's just sort of shouting and just being like Levin, Clooney like being super fucking smooth. Yeah. Brad Pitt making sure he's eating, I think, in every single scene, he's like shoveling food in his mouth. The cast, like, obviously it's ridiculous. And the locations are good.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

And there's always a little bait and switch with the plot, isn't there? Some bit of a lot of things.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

Yeah, as well as where you know they're gonna do something, and they've got funny names for them, all though, it's a thingy with a da-da and a blah blah, and you're like, what's that mean?

SPEAKER_01 35:34

And it could be all like smug and self-congr you know congratulating. You feel like you're inside with them on the joke.

SPEAKER_05 35:42

But they're also really they all look really cool and really all put together and all that, and they all play the role uh individually so well that and the first one they kind of they win, but they don't really win because they can't spend the money there being watched, you know.

SPEAKER_04 35:57

So I enjoyed those. They were good, they were good fun. Yeah. They've all just appeared on Netflix if you want to watch them. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Okay, so Erin Brockovich, we we mentioned, which I'm glad we did because I really like that video. Yeah, I liked it. Um I liked it. Or again, around corporate greed, tapping into a true story as well, the fact that this this character, this this lady Erin Brockovich wasn't a law student, wasn't uh an official kind of person into it, but just started digging at and picking at the scurb of something that felt wrong and found out this huge kind of case where similar to You North Well similar to the story that we we did with Michael Clayton. There was this UNOF big corporate greedy articles cover-up, and and she she clapped into that. The laundromat was another one that which we did for the pod, which was fantastic, and he was uh cinematographer, I think in that under Mary Ann Bernard, and one of his pseudonyms. But the one that I was gonna nom, actually, and Olivia's sister. I wasn't Olivia's sister, it was her, though. It was her Zodeberg, wasn't it? So he had some small part in either executive producing whacking Phoenix. Scarlett Johansson Scarlet Johansson is an artificial intelligence and it's set some way into the future. I think this was 2013, so 13 years ago.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

Now we're into AI and I think she had to sue someone because it someone did try and use her voice. Right. On some sort of product, as like an AI.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

She's like, fuck off Nigeria. She's got a great sort of voice and and people connect to it. And she her, a computer kind of software I think accurately loneliness is promoted, really. You know, loneliness is or people having a relationship with their AI, yeah. Or people have have no relationships with other people, but having relationships with AI is something that's quite usual, and as it goes through, actually it becomes so complex that AI does away with humans and he's dumped by a fucking computer. Do you know what I mean? It's like it basically comes down to that, but and he's gutted, you know, he's absolutely brokenhearted about it. But between that, the beginning and the end, he's skipping a lot of the time because he's just so happy that he's got somebody who understands him so well, who can obviously not give him those physical kind of things, it's just a voice, it's just a but sort of AI psychosis, more and more common now, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Remember Matt Brawley f fell in love with the toaster. Really, really interesting. Well, you know, easy to do it because they're hard. He helped edit that movie. Stephen. I was wondering what the connection was. There you go, he was the editor and that's my nom.

SPEAKER_05 39:09

You can tell me what what he helped to do with Equilibrium, but he's definitely involved in that, and I can't tell you exactly what. Is that the Christian Baylor sci-fi movie? Yes, that is the one, the one and only. And it's written and directed by Kurt Wimmer, but uh I I like that film as he's called John Preston, and he's like a police officer in the future, and felt like a practice gun cut.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

Maybe an uh matrix or ripoff at the time.

SPEAKER_05 39:38

Yes, kinda like similar to that, but but they use swords. Yeah. And there's a great scene at the end where he cuts the the the face and he just cuts the guy's face where but from the top to bottom, and then you can see the face just kind of slide off his head, which is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

He takes that they're supposed to round everybody takes uh an emotion suppressant, basically. It's kind of like the Universal Soldier where they just destroy art.

SPEAKER_04 40:05

A point of fact is that there was a short film directed by Stephen Sudbury called Equilibrium, but the equilibrium that you're talking about, oh, it's not connected.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

Is it not? Oh, let's go back to you, Chris. Let's let's let's reverse it. It's never been done before. So what have you got for us?

SPEAKER_01 40:23

Well, I've got a sort of twofer which is Haywire is the movie, it launched the career of Gina Carano in film. In film, yeah. She was obviously in women's martial arts, but that is a pretty competent um starring Michael Fassbender and a few others, like action thrillery sort of espionage he won with her in a sort of Jason Bourne type role, and it's got a fucking amazing soundtrack by David Holmes, who is a frequent Sodaberg collaborator in the one on the Bonabiah.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Uh brother of John.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 40:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

He's done loads of great um stuff with Sodoberg. He scored all of the Oceans Oceans movies, and like I say, Hayward's fucking off the jar.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

So the Oceans movies were basically taken from the rap pack. Yeah, it was a remake. It was a remake Sinatra was the original Danny Ocean. Which weren't great that great. I had seen one or two of those when kids, and other than the fact they had Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., I think they're quite tough watching going back, but the Oceans films were actually quite good, weren't they? Like at least one or two of them were really watchable.

SPEAKER_04 41:36

You done? Yeah. I'm putting in Out of Sight, it's one of my favourite movies. I really like it. Um Scott Louis Goosman who's in traffic. It's got Clooney, of course. It's David Holmes does a score for it. Clooney is the bank robber who can rob banks just by going in and smiling at the teller and saying, Just give me that money. And where he gets caught, because this is another one where you s you see him get caught at the start and end up in prison, then we flash later on to how it happened. And he does go into the teller who's this middle-aged lady, and he smiles at her and he's very, very charming. And he's he points to a guy who's having a meeting in the middle of the bank and says, See that guy, that's my partner. And if you do anything untoward, I'm gonna look at him and he's gonna shoot your bank manager in the face. And she's like, Oh, and he says, So just just don't worry, just put the money in that envelope, and then he's it she she hands her the money, he says, you know, you have a good day. And you can see she's like really taken with him. She's like, You too. And then he goes over and he speaks to the fellow and he's like, Oh, you see that you know, he points at her, and really good job there, you know, she's really good. And and then he walks out, and the guy sort of looks back and he's really confused. That's Stephen Soderbergh, like he's in the movie. Didn't realise he was complicit in a bank robbery. And then as it turns out, he can't get the car started and he he ends up getting arrested. She's the cop, isn't she? And uh J Lo, yeah, she's really good in it as well. You think, God, if you just made like good movies like this, fucking shit pop music that you turned out and became a complete twat, and it started. This is this is a 10 out of 10 movie for me. I fucking think it's brilliant, really, really good. It's also got actors like I think of oh my god, I can't remember her name. She's great, she's in Vinian John Malkovich as well. Catherine Keener, amazing brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Love this.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Did you have another one quest? Did you look in your well, yeah?

SPEAKER_05 43:19

I have the Compressions of a Dangerous Mind. Oh, love that. Which is it's really I I thought it was a good one. Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell. Yeah, yeah. Sam Rockwell, who plays Chuck Barris, George Clooney, obviously. Supposed to be a true story. Apparently, except for the CIA thing. Yeah. Apparently that's like they they fabricated the fact that he was a CIA agent, but everything else is mentally based by on on Chuck Barry's Hitman. Hitman, but the he was a fantasist though as well, wasn't he? Or no? He's a he was a TV presenter.

SPEAKER_04 43:54

Yeah. He's doing all these game shows, but also go off and killing people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's directed by George Clifford.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Yes, is his the debut as a but he's he's an actor in it, he's a director, Sam Rockwell, Julia Roberts, Drew Barrymore, Rugged Hauer, Matt Damon, and Michael Serra. So again, it's very strong cast on this, but my name is gonna be Shay. Okay, nice. It has to be Shay.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

Nice, well we've got one more spot for the top five. Hit is with it. Tell you what we haven't done in a while now is the foods that we're eating and the drinks that we're drinking. Because you've bought some absolutely fine cord and bl from Robert's garage.

SPEAKER_05 44:42

They're not from Robert's garage, they're from Grand Marché.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

Are these Grand Marché? Oh, yeah. They're free range. Grap and strawberry flip nerds. We've also got the signature caramel chocolate rounds. This is very good.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

These are very good.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

Is that an own brand or is that like McVitti's or McVitti's, yeah, but they're the the writing is in gold, so you know it's gonna be gonna be gonna be gonna be. You know that they're on offer as well, it's like £1.10 or something. I know they're on offer because I had a packet appear in my cupboard at home, which my mum has bought, and she would only buy things that were on offer. Okay, so you know it. And they're fucking mint. The offer is is a good one.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

Oh, it's great offer.

SPEAKER_05 45:22

We've also had various Riojos Riojas, no. Riojas South of Spain now or Rioca.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

We're going to Rioca. Oh the classic Campo Viejo there. The the classic Campo Via Campo Viejo is not opened yet.

SPEAKER_04 45:36

Oh, the Temperanillo. We're saving that to the end because we've got the good stuff first.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

We do have the Imperial Reserva 2019, and we've got the Marcus Vialdo, which was Andrew.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

Tribute to the movie this week. We're also going to freebase some heroin. Yeah, well that's the way we're working on it. Well, everyone does when they get together, apparently, according to this movie.

SPEAKER_05 45:58

Well, I do have some aluminium, some kitten foil with me.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

Have you got a rusty old spoon and a lighter? I've got a rusty old shows, bud.

SPEAKER_01 46:05

Um it's not just about traffic jams and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

No, that's the other one. Right. That was there was another film called Traffic, wasn't there? That one was that wasn't the one that had Traffic Hones. Other people in it. Anyway, this was 2020. This was properly directed by Steven Soderbergh. No, this is 2000. Sorry, 2000, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:25

I was gonna say 2020.

SPEAKER_04 46:27

He got the he got the Oscar directorial Oscar for this one. Did it beat Ridley for Gladiator? Gladiat got best picture. This got Best Film. Best director. It got best director. Sorry, Gladiator won best film. This got best director, best supporting actor, best screenplay, and best goril. It got four. And I had seen this before. I used to own it on DVD, and what I remembered about it going into watching it again for this is that it's three they had a real hard on for this at the time. Three sort of interlocking story things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it had a very specific literal colour lens on each oh yeah, that's right. For each story, there's a different colour tone. We start off in Mexico, and this is kind of orangey, kind of sepia toned on this one. Vinicio del Toro and his partner, and they basically bust some cartel guys with a load of hair, like a fucking load of hair. Truck, yeah. Take that, and then as they're driving along a huge fucking convoy of military, yeah, you know, proper thing. Oh, I I was the first time I saw it, oh, they're just gonna get fucking executed by a fucking cartel. Well dodgy. But it's some general, and he's like, Oh, listen, you've done well there. You should come. We'll take over now. We'll take over and you can't. I'll take the lorry full of heroes.

SPEAKER_05 47:48

Yeah, we'll take over now, but also you're a policía federal or whatever. How come you come across this information? Yeah. You need to come and see me. You're gonna you're basically gonna work for me.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

Or help me. We're gonna pass the cartels together.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

I I'm gonna let you into my viewing experience here, because I took out a subscription on Lionsgate on Prime to watch this, and it's one of those freeze subscriptions try a week or something, and you you can't like so you've just got your week. But the subtitles didn't work on any of the Spanish bits, and my Spanish isn't good enough to understand the nuances of what people were saying. I could understand like the gist.

SPEAKER_04 48:37

Yes, I had the same. There was no subtitle at all. But I had seen it before and I just had to look up the bit, so I wasn't gonna get it.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

And I was I was looking at this, not knowing this, because it was something that I looked at afterwards. So the bit with the um with the digital groceries.

SPEAKER_04 48:58

Well, interestingly, five. They didn't want they were gonna have all the bits in Mexico just in English, and Vinicio del Toro was like, Fucking no, like they would be speaking Spanish. Like you have to have the. They wouldn't be speaking Spanish if we're going to Mexico. Why would they speak English? Yeah. So that so and Sodobo was like, Yeah, of course, we've got to do that. But they wouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

But for me, it was like a viewer, yeah, and I don't understand what the fuck you were saying, so I'm disengaging from your film for like five, seven minutes each kind of each time that I'm each time that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

This is a bit of a streaming future, isn't it? That like if you'd have borrowed a DVD, there would have been like 14 direct different direct languages, you could have different types of different dialogues.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

It just said speaking Spanish. That was that was I fucking know that.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:47

I'd work that way out. What the film then does is it jumps from because I don't propose that we go through every it's a long film and there's lots of stuff that goes on. Essentially, you are in a place where the drugs originate to the people who are trying to stop the drugs coming across. Yeah. DA guys and that. And so you've got that, you've got Don Cheadle and Louise Guzman as the as the DA guys. They've been given some intel about Miguel Ferrer, R.I.P. lover guy. Oh yeah, Miguel Ferrer, yeah. Oh yeah, he's and it's there's a really good scenes where they catch him. But and then you've got Michael Douglas' character who's the guy who's like the drug drug. He's given like the top job of like trying to win the war on drugs, and so you see, you know, where it comes from, how they're trying to stop it, where it ends up, and where the demand is, and just how fucking futile the fight is against it. And many of the themes of the wire coming in. Basically done in more a lot more detail in the wire, but it's done it is done well here. So there so we see that it it's you know, this cartel shit going on, and they're pushing it, you know, across the border, and you do get loads of border stuff, and you can't have but think about build the wall, build the wall. There's also the four-story of old Catherine's at the Jones. Yeah. And Ice as well, right? Yeah. So but then we get we do get Don Cheadle and Louise Guzman, and I love him. He's fine. He's really good, isn't he? He's good. And they're they're undercover trying to buy, you know, do a do a a sort of a fucking number on on Miguel Ferrer's character. And it it goes fucking peat tongue, and he he does a runner, and and Don Cheadle actually gets shot, he he pulls a gun out on him and fucking. Shoots him in the chest, yeah. Then another guy comes around, Gushman shoots him, and he does a runner, he runs into this sort of smallish kind of fun fair thing, doesn't he? And then when it Jidle's wearing a vest, so he's he's not being killed. But and a clown just walks out, and it's like one of those sort of training things where you know boards appear, and you know, don't shoot the Don't shoot the clown. And then like backs away, and then they just look at the ball pit and they're like they're shoe. And then Don Jin's like, Well, I think I guess he's gone, and then he's looked down, there's a fucking shoe back around, and it's like bang, just shoot him in the foot. So they've got him, and they're there the rest the crux of their story is like this is the guy who is bringing it over in and he works with he was washing the money for this guy. Catherine Zia Jones' husband, who he's star witness, this guy. So their story is we've got to keep this guy alive long enough because they know once they've got this guy, he's the number one target. He's gonna be fucking he's gotta get got and he's gonna testify against Carl something. Carl Alayala or something. Carl Ayala, yeah, yeah. And Katherine Zia Jones and her she's pregnant, but she's got they've got another little niffer, and you know, there's some pie going or whatever, and they just come down, swoop, take him away, and she's like, Oh my god, I can't believe that my My husband is disrespected businessman is getting taken by the It's like breaking bad where he's he owns like a lauterette and he's they're living in a five million pound like gap.

SPEAKER_06 52:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:54

So she's totally taken aback. And we've seen her life pre-arrest where she's in the country club and they're like really, you know, or like Nicola Sturgeon, with her husband just knocking off, like, oh, we suddenly got five new cars.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

I didn't know where. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:09

And and afterwards, she's you know, she's an outcast from all this because they can't, you know, her hoity toisey friends can't be hanging around with the fucking crime. And she goes from knowing nothing about drug husbanding to running on the phone. Yeah, absolutely. Like her journey is like I would say the bit of the film is like you know, come on, really. But this is a long movie, right? So I guess two and a half hours, so you get quite a lot of stuff with the Benicio del Toro. He's like caught up in stuff, he just gets he's a police officer, but he's he's not just the only one in it who like really wants to do good. Yeah, he gets caught up in all kinds of shit.

SPEAKER_05 53:44

Because what what the whole story is, he is a police officer in Mexico, he tries to do good, he tries to do well, he does in the end witness the assassination of his partner. I think they're both gonna go. In in the police, where you think they're both gonna go, but in the end, the idea for him is he wants to stop at least one of the cartels, if not all of them in Mexico. But what he really wants is electricity for the area where he's from. So the kids can play baseball baseball and something just to give it away.

SPEAKER_04 54:17

I mean, something is it? He gets the chat from the the the the military general guy who's pulled them over, but it turns out that this guy is only interested in breaking this cartel because he works for the other cartel.

SPEAKER_05 54:30

Yeah, he there's the cartel de Juarez and Cartel de Tijuana, and he wants them to exterminate the cartel de Tijuana, but he works, but he doesn't say it, and then the news comes out that the leader of the cartel de Juarez has died during plastic surgery. Alright. And they want their the hitman, Frankie Flowers, Francisco Flores, lives in San Diego. And Benicio del Toro and his partner sent by the general. The general is like, look, that guy knows, he's a he's a hitman for the cartel, and he knows who assassinated all my colonels, all my subordinates, and he knows where all the money is. Can you get to that guy? That's the only need. That's when he plays the gay guy with the pack of cigarettes there. He's got a pack of the cigarettes in his sleeve, like that. Yeah, it's a strong look. He puts it on the table and on the bar, and he's got a condom in the plastic. Okay. And uh Frankie Flowers, this Francisco Flores, there in a gay bar in in San Diego. He's looking for some display. He's straight on him straight away. Straight away. And then they just show him great, looking really hot. Yeah, he's young. He's like before the So is he deliberately trying to sort of seduce him?

SPEAKER_01 55:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

He's but you know, so he gives a minute card.

SPEAKER_04 55:49

How far can you uh get away? They take him and then then they they just fucking chuck him around and this guy gets fucking tortured. Oh, right. Yeah. It's not nice. Does it no blade job or anything first?

SPEAKER_01 55:58

No, man.

SPEAKER_04 55:58

No, no, there's no handjobs, no shit to jail. I can see what they did to him first. They sort of sprayed something on him. You just hear him scream as they spray something on him, it's like sometimes. Obviously, the whole is it's fairly obvious, but the whole sort of thing of the film is that you just this is a fucking unwinnable war. Drugs are bad.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

You've also got Michael Douglas' daughter, Caroline, who's the one that's taking the drugs. She's the the kid at the end of the line, really, who's they are got loads of money. 16. Her dad is the drug czar of America, and she's the preppy kid, yeah, not happy with a bong going to the next level.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

Australia chopping up lights and then like it's Topha Grace takes uh and just want to try something? Yeah, let's go and do some bosses.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

I remember a few people I knew at about the same age doing something similar, like you know, people who were like who were just smoking weed suddenly is this like freebasing?

SPEAKER_04 57:01

He's like, it's not like this is.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

And you're like, fuck hell, you're 16, you're doing heroin. Let's do it. And and she was like hooked straight away. Next thing, she's getting further and further down the line. She's in train spotting mode, isn't she? And from going to the dealer with her boyfriend, friend, whatever, she's going alone. Well, they have getting all kinds up to she's turning a trick then for Well, they have another party, don't they?

SPEAKER_04 57:29

They have another party and someone ODs on the floor. And the first one they're like, Oh, look at him, and they're like, fuck, he's like he's gone blue, and they don't know what to do. They can't call someone's like, Your dad's a doctor, you'd have to phone him, and it's like fucking no time. My dad's in Barbados, it's not three o'clock in the morning, like themselves, high as kites. They drive to the hospital to just dump the guy on the hospital doorstep, and I was thinking, I'd forgotten about it, because it's been a long time since I watched it, but I was thinking, the fuck have your fucking license plate, like you know what I mean? And you're not gonna get away with that. Anyway, this is a fucking pre-schology, just like ten years old. Australia just drives over, they're arrested, they've got them all banged to rights, and they're trying to the first of all, they're like, fuck it, no one's got anything on them, have they? No, they're not. And I know someone someone I went to primary school with, this happened to them, they got dumped somewhere in primary school, fuck it. I went to no, they said they they died later on, but there was a fucking tear away. Oh, you went to primary school, it happened after. But he got he OD'd and they just dumped him. No, they'd be died. I mean primary. They dumped him in a public toilet and just thrown to an ambulance and he went to the body.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

Well, what about those kids a few years ago? Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

So this fucking shit happens. And anyway, there's obviously then it's Michael Douglas having to confront he's doing like a global war on drugs, but it's fucking happening in your house. Yeah. And the wife is it's obviously they're they're quite distant. Sounds really heavy-handed, really a bit. Yeah. Him and his wife are uh having a bit of a distant relationship. But also, it turns out when they're sort of arguing about how to deal with this, he's he's he's sort of like, hang on a minute, how the f how long have you known she's been doing stuff? And it turns out the mum's known for fucking ages. Yeah, she knew for a few months that the the girl's been taking drugs on the gag of some kind.

SPEAKER_05 59:07

Some kind, she didn't know there's fucking brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 59:10

Like, I've been in the dark, and I'm supposed to be the one out there talking about this is how we're gonna win the war on drugs, blah blah blah. Yeah. So there's that going on. And then there's this various like attempts on Miguel Ferrer's life. Mickey Flowers, yeah, Frankie Flowers basically comes out of his torture den and um Because he gives away He's given enough intel out the intel then Which I wouldn't know because you're all in fucking Spanish. But he's he's there to assassinate Miguel Ferrer before he can give the the game away. Uh but they he's also he's planted a car bomb. Because this is at this point, Catherine City Jones has gone from knowing nothing about anything to basically running the whole show.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

She went to Mexico and spoke to the cartel leader, negotiated with the top fucking guy. Yeah, yeah. Who is Benjamin Bratt.

unknown 1:00:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:02

Need a bit more.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:03

He's uh you'd recognise him. You'd recognise him. Yeah, there's a shot where she's on the phone at one point.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

She's on the phone. She's on the phone.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:12

She's on the phone to her husband when it first kicks off and he's in prison. And first the first time you see them, they're on the phone, you know, either side of the plexiglass thing. And it and she's fucking like giving him hell because you know she's in the shit now and she can't get any money. And you know, rest of development when Jeffrey Tambor's in there, and he's like, There's always money in the banana stuff. It's literally like that. He's like, Yeah, and he's doing some really like, you know, because obviously everything's been recorded, and he gives some like really thinly coded thing, like, there's some stuff in the in the corner of the room. We we we made that together. And so she cuts this thing down in the room, and there's a real with all his you know, came and bank accounts with all the money. And with Frankie Flowers' number. So she's like, sweet, still got some money, the money's still there, and yeah, she arranges for some hits. She basically is like, fuck it, let's just go all in. So she's found a way to with the pretext of saving her son. Yeah. She's getting more and more frantic about look, this guy's got to get killed, or my husband's going in.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:13

You've also got Dennis Quaid, who is the family's advisor. He's loyal. Who is honestly, you can see him just sniffing around her. The first time he appears, Kay's like, he wants to fuck her. Yeah. Even though she's pregnant, he still wants to fuck her. But yeah, this is kind of where the story is heading.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:33

And I can't remember how the the the the daughter Michael Douglas' daughter gets more and more into, you know, like the hideous spiral of despair. She sent us a few meetings, but she's paying it no mind. She's still getting off.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:46

Oh yeah, she runs off and then John.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:48

She nicks in money and she does a runner, and he has to go find her, and he takes um he takes Topha Grace because he knows where all her hangouts will be, and actually he follows him, and Topha Grace is banging on the door of some sleazy motel, and Michael Dog just goes up and just fucking kicks the door down, and there's just some fucking horrible businessman guy's like, ready to rape her while she's completely comatosed on the bed. Nice, and that's that's kind of her rock bottom. But he's still he's still got the drug czar thing, and he's written his speech where he's in the White House, you know, back go on the fucking podium and say this is how we're on the podium, he's like he's got a meeting first, and the guy the guy's like brilliant speech, his features are gonna be fucking brilliant, this is what we're gonna do. And he's seen him doing all these rooms where it he's got just like different people telling him about oh, this is how we'll do it, or this is the problem we've got, and then he's like, Oh my god, this is fucking crazy. And he's written a speech then and the guy's like, Yeah, brilliant. And and he goes and he just brushes his daughter's problem. It's like, listen, don't worry about your daughter's thing, we'll just that that won't even be a thing. And if it does come out, we'll just use that as a experience. You've been in the trench, you've been in the trench, you know how to fight this because you've done it at home. He's like, that's the bit for him where he's a bit like fucking the bottom dropping out a little bit, but he's stands up to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:03

He's got that pressure. I mean, imagine the pressure on the guy. He's he's about to talk as the drug cause of America, he's got that shit going on. They know that about his daughter, but they're covering for him, so he's like, Okay, that's not gonna be the problem. They're actually gonna try and turn it into a positive spin. All you've got to do now is keep that spin going. So he knows how much bullshit is being spun here, and he's just gotta go and spin it to the rest of the world.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:36

Uh he can't do.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

He can't do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:38

He gets through a speech, but he's like pausing and he's not really delivering it very well, and they're kind of looking at him like, what's going on? And he just says, I can't do this. And just walks off. From the press conference, he just walks out. The other side of it is that Miguel Freire, Frankie Flowers, has tried to kill him. It's it's failed. They've actually he's got shot away, but he's been sort of distracted by the and he's killed. And Luis Guzma goes over to the car, and it's that point Don Tiro's like, No, no, no, don't start and it fucking I was gutted. He's the coolest dude, Louise.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:14

He was he was he was actually the car blows up in a whole fucking film worth of real arsehole characters and nobody likable, he died. He was the only one that you actually at one point.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:28

Yeah, Miguel Frey goes, I need to I need to vote, I need my phone call. And he goes, Yeah, why don't you try 1-800 criminals? So they've they've still got the witness there, and it's sort of like boiling down to like are they gonna get him there kind of thing? Are they gonna get him on the stand? And it's so sloppy what actually does happen because they're in a room, they're in a you know, the hotel room waiting for the day to go to trial. Ding dong, fucking knock at the door, here's your food, they sign for, you know, blah blah blah, they all tuck it, well, they eat some food.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:02

The guy also s l stands there's a fucking thing. But the guy stands there and looks at them almost to make sure that they're gonna eat. Yeah. And and the feedle looks at him and he's like he's waiting for a tip or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:14

Like he's waiting for a tip. Yeah. And he's like, they they does one and then like five minutes later, ding dong, and they're like, oh. They think this guy, the second guy, is the one who's the hitman. Yeah. And when they like can clearly tell once they fucking rest and go and fuck, and then Don Till with a penny drops like, oh, we've got the wrong one. Called an ambulance before he even sees the guy. He's in the bathroom and he's pretty much already dead. Foamy mouth. So he's gone, and then we cut to the the courtroom, and they're like, Well, due to the untimely death of our fucking star witness, we're gonna we can't proceed with this case. And they're like, Yeah, we beat the case, we beat the rap, and they're like fucking happy as Larry, and he's done, he's out, that's it. Back to back to the day job. Futile. Yeah, and uh the the next time we see.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

And at one point he goes, You're fucking you're pointless. Your whole job is pointless because you know, it's going on. It's fucking it's going everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:16

So what if some drugs get in? Everyone's taking drugs. You know, because we drive, it's not me, it's some other guy, someone. And then and the other point is like the only reason you know anything about me is because you got a tip off from the other cartel. So you are basically policemen working for the other cartel. That's all you're doing is helping them. And then the other six months' time I'll be the other way around, yeah. Blah blah blah. And you're like, Yeah, it's just like completely futile, you know, it's just prohibition of another kind, I guess. Yeah. So big celebration back at the Z Jones. I resident households. But Don Cheadle just fucking, like boldest brass, just walks straight in under the pretense of kicking off and saying, You fucking murdered my my partner, which is a valid, you know, grumble that he's got. But two of the heavies just fucking rested him to the ground, and while he's on the ground, he just fucking reaches up, whacks the desk, and he leaves a little bit. He puts a bug just on the little listening device there. Not before that. In a kind of struggle, he's just got off the phone with Dennis Quaid and he's like, Um, you were gonna fucking sell me out. And he's like, No, no, it wasn't like that, it wasn't like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:14

He's like, You got three million dollars while I was in prison, my wife was struggling for money, you didn't say a word for that, and the cartel was asking for the money, and you didn't say a word. You think I wasn't?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:24

No, no, it's all about timing, and timing is like, yeah, okay, cool, and just like ends the call, and you just see two people with fucking silenced pistols just turned up from the door, and Denzquay looks around cut and you're like, Okay, you think he's gone. So it kind of ends with he's got away with it, but he's been bugged, so they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:44

Michael Douglas and his wife goes to the rehabilitation. The daughter's back at a meeting this time. Well, but presumably the implication though is that they'll flip that guy, but he'll end up being killed. Yeah, he's just being relentless.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:58

Um the only upside to it is the daughter has is now in meetings but means it. And they're there with her. And he's he's jacked it all in, and their relationship, the husband and wife, Michael Jodgins' wife, is seems better because they were like like at the end of their matters. They were kind of accusing each other, and yeah. And he's and and they say to him, Oh, did you want to do? And he says, Oh, I'm just here to listen. Because the other the other the rest of him, the rest of the time in the film, he's been like blah blah blah. Yeah, the drugs are. So they've got that, and then at the real end, it cuts back to Mexico and it's Benicio del Toro's just sitting in the stand watching the little league, you know, the Pee Wee, and they've he's got his electricity for the for the game.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:42

Because what what we didn't say about because obviously in in the Spanish bit where they the the version I watched had the English subtitles for all the Spanish speaking scenes, and I understand Spanish probably better than anyone, not to be cool, but I do. And also Donde está Yuntamiento uh Zapateria in the way. So so Benicio del Toro's character makes a deal with the DA in America to sell out on the general in Mexico in exchange for him to become to to get electricity. So he goes to the DA and the guy's like, I hope you get what you wanted. What about what you want? He's like, Don't worry what I w about what I want. I told you already what I want.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:26

They have to do that in the swimming pool, don't they?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:28

So they know that no one's ready to watch it. Yeah. And they just sit, honestly, it's the best scene. It's like, where do you want to talk? And they they just go and they sit in the swimming pool. It's like a public pool where there's kids playing and all that, and it's like these safe though. There's three men just sat standing there in the pool and talking, but it is safe. And then that happens, and that's how the film ends with Benicio del Toro watching the kids play baseball in they were fucking lame at it as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:53

I didn't really get any home runs or anything. So it's really just a film about Benicio del Toro getting an excuse to watch children play.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:59

Getting an Oscar. No, but yeah, I mean the the point really is that this is an unwinnable war. It's it's a long film, it's a really serious film. Unless the war is an Oscar. It does feel a little bit Oscar baity watching it again now. But I think it is good. It's a good film. A little bit worthy. It's really well, it's really well made. The way it's filmed, this is obviously Steven Soderbergh, he did win the best Oscar for director. It's all handheld and very fluid, and weird angles are when the planes come over. It's sort of like it's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:30

It's also quite shaky a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:32

So he wanted it to have a kind of documentary kind of feel.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:36

Especially the Mexican bit is a bit like a ride-along, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:39

Like they're there in the that can be a lot though.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:41

In uh I felt I broke I broke I did break it down to chunks when I watched it this time.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:45

I did it in a in a couple of bits. I I felt it was a film that got lost up its own fucking ass, to be honest. Maybe that was because it had those Spanish interludes that I didn't fucking understand. Um it didn't really didn't help. And there was certain scenes of it that I liked. It wasn't an Oscar film for me. Like, you know, I I was thinking to be honest, if you give me Gladiator to watch, or you give me this to watch, and you say you're gonna watch each film like twice a row after I'll go gladiator every fucking time. It it was a tough watch for me, like not I and I looking at the trailer, I was really into it because it had Michael Douglas and he he he's wandering out and he's he's talking about his role and it was just that kind of political thing. I just watched Michael Clayton, which we did midweek, which put me in the move for for movies, and and I had seen a couple of Stephen Sourbread kind of movies which I thought was was really cool, but this I don't know, just it was long film, it was serious, it it did miss the translation out w so it depends which version you'd watch. If you took on a lot of that I can't believe they had that on an official like yeah, I can.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:06

I was after watching the big blue on Prime and they fucked it with the uh The aspect ratio ratio. They just don't care anymore. That's what people that's why people get moody about the transition away from physical media that you can't have nice things.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

And yeah, it it it's would you like to know about the monetary side of it?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

Yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:22

Definitely made it show me the money.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:24

I don't think it's definitely made money.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:27

There are various different um budget numbers for it. It's a big budget though. The top one is 48 million, because it does have a big cast. But it is a fairly like miserableist film about like a serious thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:40

And there wasn't one likable character apart from the guy that died in Carbon.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:45

But it fucking did make a load of money, made 208 million.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:48

Well, that's a chunk of money. I don't know, I really like this, especially with the way it's filmed. None of the characters meet each other, none of the storylines meet each other, although there are some times in the film where you see them walking past each other, but they never actually like Catherine Zitta Jones never meets the DA guys or the or no, she meets the DA guys, but never meets Michael Michael Douglas or the Mexicans or whatever. So so it's uh the other guys does the doesn't meet the other ones. It's all it's all connected, but it's not nobody bumps into each other, they all follow their own storylines. The colour, the way they film the colour so that you understand which person you're following and which character you're following. I thought that was really cleverly done. The the thing I understand your point with the Spanish bit, but I think that's the for me, the Mexican side of the film is the best part because it sets you in a different country in a different world rather than the DEA and the American.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:48

Yeah, I like the premise of it. I didn't understand while I was watching the film why they didn't have subtitles, and I was thinking, do they just expect you to know Spanish or do they are they, you know, is this part of it? Because I because I was watching it through I wasn't streaming this illegally, I was watching it through a like a paid subscription service.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:10

I thought, well they're gonna have the fucking subtitles, but that's what I mean you're thinking this is the way I'm supposed to be experiencing this movie and I don't like it, basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:17

Yeah, and and I I get it it wasn't, you know, if it it should have been They've done you they've done you dirty there. They've done me dirty. It's bad streaming. Bad streaming. Yeah. Which which I shouldn't hold against the the movie. I was not watching. I did not do it too.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:32

I did not stream it through a paid subscription. I have, however, bought the DVD in the past, so I feel like I'm okay to watch it through a different medium.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:41

But you can watch the official one and be completely confused by it.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:43

Well I was I had the same experience because they didn't have the well of translation. Well this is the thing, and I said to side this morning, I w I didn't watch it. I watched it through uh through the naughty box at home, and that turned out to be the best experience of all. And it had the subtitles in the Spanish bit, so I don't know. But you'd have been alright anyway. Which I kind of would have understood it anyway.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

So if we take anything away from the So next week's movie is gonna be a Spanish language film.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:07

It's your norms, so you do what you like. But you know, it is well put together. It's just I say, you know, it's a strong recommend, but it's a strong recommend for like a one and done. It's not like a multiple viewings.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:17

It's a long film as well, so yeah, you're not yeah, you're not one. Yeah, watch it over a couple of days. I'm gonna say though, the acting John Actor is. Yeah, John Actor was good. I would say all of them, not just Benicio Del Toro. Obviously, you've got Michael Douglas, so you know what you're gonna get, charisma, all that.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:34

Kathy C. Jones is good. I didn't really believe her character arcs, but she's good in the street. But she's good in it then.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:40

Yeah. The Luis Guzmán and Don't Cheadle, they played really cool and they're really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:45

They were in out of sight together. Pardon? They were both an out-of sight.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:48

Really?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:49

Yeah. Okay. I could have done with more full frontal male nudity.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

Maybe uh there aren't many films that you can't say that would be.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:58

But you do have the Benito del Toro taking as a top off. Yeah. So but not the pants. You can't have everything strong.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:06

Yeah. Medium strong. Medium well. Medium well.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:17

Another week, another Steven Soderbergh related podcast done.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

Yeah. Or Stephen Sauer. Stephen Sauer brain source. Rick Riggs has already got his noms ready for us. What are they, Riggs? No, I don't. Oh, he's keeping it quiet, too, huh? He's playing his.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:31

Let's start relentlessly bullying him immediately after the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

With the fucking nominations. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:37

Well, great. I thought that was good, solid week. It was a strong week. I really enjoyed Michael Clayton. Fucking great film.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:43

Yeah. Michael Clayton's the midweek was excellent. We heard a lot about different food and drink, and we also learned a little bit about the the drugs war. Um a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:56

A little bit more than you knew before. All that remains is to say side signing out. Reed has left the building, probably. Dad's gone.