Midweek Mention... Memories of Murder

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This is the start of Dan week. Yeah. It's not a themed week about Dan.

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No.

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But it's your choices.

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Correct. I thought it was about time we did a South American film again, so we went South Korea.

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Yep. Yeah. Bong Jun Ho. Yeah. Done Parasite. Well, we went out for a big That was right after lockdown, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. First outing. We went to the Savoy Hotel. We did? That was great. Pop-up cinema, I think.

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Memories of Murder was his 2003 kind of neo-noir. Breakout and Breakout.

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So prior to a long time prior to Parasite, Snowpiercer, I think, was his Okja we did for the pod.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Oh yeah. This is kind of loosely based, inspired by real because it's a serial killer film. Yeah. Real serial killer what happened in South Korea. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

The Huang Song Serial Murders. Alright. And it's kind of set in around the the late 80s when South Korea was still under military rule. Okay.

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And we explored that in some other movies that we've watched, right? I'm thinking of that one that Chris had us watch that was about the fall of South Korea in Europe. Oh, yeah, that was really good. So we know a little bit about the history there. We're all over. And this is South Korean history.

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This was set out in the stick.

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So this is a rural police co op squad, um, perhaps not equipped technically and experience-wise for a serial killer investigation, because they find the first body turns up.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Well, it it it starts, doesn't it, with a guy on the back of a tractor? A tractor having a cigarette, just you're thinking, oh, where he's going, it's just between two rice paddy. He's the police cop and he's just cruising down and he's terribly relaxed about everything.

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And there's a body in a kind of drainage flu channel type thing. And the crime scene's already been like completely mangled. There's farmers there, there's kids playing around. They could will they shout after him like shit, car or something? Yeah. They like give him abuse, and then they find one basically clear footprint, and then he's trying to like clear the scene. It's like, right, you look fucking off, you get back, you get back. The tractor goes towards it, and he's like, No, no, no, no, the tractor just goes over this one bit of evidence, so that it's like a total flummo.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

People are picking up clothes in the field and just like swinging them over their heads and things that had obviously been ripped off this this poor young girl who it's a rape homicide. Yeah, it's a rape murder, and they are just not equipped or anywhere near able to to do what needs to be done.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

You get the feeling, and and they kind of show you that if something has gone down, they'll just find someone and well he has this he has this thing at the beginning with the I can't remember if he tells the police commissioner or someone in the room when he's in Is he the short guy? No, I I don't know yeah, the the police commissioner where he's like, I I've got a sixth sense, I know it's all on hunch, isn't it? Yeah, I know already my gut tells me he's like, Well, look at those two. One is a killer, the other one is the brother of the victim, which one is which, and he just looks, you can see he looks as in as if he would just He doesn't need evidence. Yeah, he's just got a gut.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Okay. And that will come back over the the course of the film a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Because then we I think the next scene is when the the guy's walking on the street. I don't need evidence, basically. No, he's got a gut feeling way walks on the on the street and he's after the first killing and there's a woman that walks in front of it. Yeah, you think he's talking at her? Yeah, and they she's really panicking, he's there trying to help her, and then it turns out that they have a he has a fight with this police officer from the rural area, and then it turns out she has such a freak out, she kind of falls down into a dish, and she and he goes to help her, but she's panicking, and it looks like you know, we just had one fatality.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Yeah, it looks like and it turns out this is the this is this is the guy from Seoul. Yes, yeah. So this is the more experienced policeman that's getting bust in to sort of support them and help them out. Okay. But it's giving fucking right dusting out.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

He comes in off like the top ropes, like of this. Yeah, he does it. Flying kick into him and he kicks him down, he punches it, and then eventually, next sort of scene they're driving along in the car, he says, Well, you know, you should have said something. You know, like you bloody didn't give me any chance to say anything. Like, I'm I'm just trying to find the way how to get to you, and you what's your first reaction? It's just nuts, like you know, that you're coming in with this flying kick. But they're trying to fabricate evidence and and having really violent methods. It's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Well, they first of all, there's the there's a there's an MO, the killer's got an MO. He he will bind the women in a certain way with their bra, I think, or yeah, their brains. So the hands behind the back, and then he puts their knickers over their head, rapes them, and they're always there's other things as they the investigation comes out that it takes them ages, and it what I think the lady figures out how about the song. There's certain other things that they just don't fucking have a clue about. So they they clash because the the original detective that's park, isn't it? Do they have things like forensics and stuff? No, they're only up to a point. They have only the autopsy, the autopsy people, but So they they they test for semen and that that has to be failed to be. This is in the 80s, right? That has to be sent to the US.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

This is in the 80s, so that that you have to remember that.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

They've heard of the technology, but they haven't got any of that kind of I thought that Asians would be like, well, a hell of a technology. Not back then. Semiconductors, that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

So but they clash, don't they? Because Park is like we said, he's just like, well, I think it's blah, and you know, so therefore that's good enough, whereas this other guy's like, no, no, we need like procedure and evidence and you know, like an audit trail of stuff. So they just clash and like pretty violently most of the things.

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They also need somebody who to pin this on, and they f they find a young disabled man, Quang Ho who's who's got a scar, and he's he's got his name parked through a lady friend that he goes to visit, and he says, Oh well, sh he was always hanging around saying that that girl that died was pretty, and that's enough for him to kind of the hunch is enough for him. He finds him playing arcade. I'd say it's even less than hunch, it's just convenient. It's just convenient, and he's a rifle fit him up. If if you thought at this point oh this he's he's kind of you know, he's just a bit incompetent, he's trying his best though, he's you you're looking for someone to you know, the detective to like. And we've seen him in other things, haven't we? Is he embarrassed like this fellow? Yeah. The w the way that he goes to treat this this young disabled guy without any evidence, he's just an arsehole. He's just a real arsehole. And he's they they just trying him and his partner, was it Yonk who just tried to beat the confession out of him and telling him what to say, putting the recorder on stop, pause, no, you meant this, didn't you? Start up again, tell him he's getting it wrong.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

Or you tied her up with the thing, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like it's grim, it's really awful. Yeah.

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Well have what have we seen of the killer so far?

SPEAKER_03 7:28

Nothing. Nothing really. No, no. We do see it's quite it's quite good, isn't it, with the next victim kind of running along.

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But we're when we're seeing these things, we just what he's in shadow or something.

SPEAKER_03 7:40

No, it's really good because he it's the woman's sort of running along and it's raining. Always raining when it's becomes kidding this is his pattern. The woman tends to be wearing red, it's raining, and then there's something else that comes along. But the the only time we ever actually see we don't see the murder, but we just see her get grabbed as she's running along, like looking behind, and the guy just jumps out. You just see her from the right. From the right side, you just from the rice paddy, yeah. You see his face and you go, whoa, and yeah, it's quite creepy. More so for her, I'd imagine. Yeah.

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And then again, there's there's another one discovered, and there's another, and and now the pressure increases, but there's also the pressure from the public because the father of this kid is like beside himself, he's not him, he didn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Hey, my son's innocent, he's he's been strung up for this, he's been taken down.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

The guy from Souls, like, he this guy's not capable, like he's just not just look at him, he's just no way.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

This was a complex kind of.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Like, look at his fingers, he had like stumpy, you know, he wouldn't be able to specifically with a knot that basically he ties their hands and their legs behind their back, and it's like a three-way knot. He's like, Look at his hands and his fingers, he will never be able to do that. Plus, on this whatever. So he has yeah, he has a lot of holes in their theory, yeah. And they just sat there with this guy, kid upside down, yeah, upside down in his pants, and they're like, So what? You're telling me he's innocent. He's like, Yeah, I've got him go.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

They do take him into the forest where it happened, get him to start digging and say, What are you doing? He goes, Oh, and he's just laughing, you know, because he's he's not let's say he's nobody's looking out for him, very vulnerable, and he's he thinks it's a game, you know. Oh, just digging. He goes, No, we're digging your grave, like you know, and he gets all scared, he's saying, Look, we know that you did it, and he starts giving him them information.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

They probably have seen something.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

He which proves that he must have seen it. For them, it it proves that he did it, that they're on the right hunch, like you know, but it he he's kind of talking in the third person, I saw, and then he did this and then he did that, and he gives details that she was tied like this, she had her knickers on her head, but it wasn't like I put the knickers on her head. So Yeah, so he he knows something, but it's they're certainly you know just trying to pin everything onto him. But he does eventually sense kind of prevails and they realise it it's not him.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

Yeah, and the final piece of the kind of killer's ritual is a song, and it's Quan Kyok, the female officer who ri deduces this, and there's a there's a request line, and there's this really obscure song that gets requested on the same night that all these murders have happened. So now they're they're listening out, and there's later on where they're all having a Barney in the thing, and she's like, Stop, stop, stop. The song's on, they're like, Fuck. Yeah, something's happening. The guy looks out the window and he's like, Fuck, it's raining.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

You know, so And she's totally underappreciated, she's probably the best one of the lots. Yeah, she's the only one who's gonna be. Even the guy from Seoul isn't knocking out the park, is he? He he's better.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

Well he starts to fall into their ways, isn't he? Because it there's a role reversal when they they've think they might have the guy, don't they? Yeah. Well, there's a guy so they're they're taking shelter at one point for some rain, and there's two girls, just like real dead young schoolgirls, going past. And they're like, come on, just get in here for a minute because it's like hideous storm. And they start talking about this story that they've heard about a guy who lives under the well or something at the back of the school, and he's the one who's been doing all these killings. So they look into that, and they eventually they find a survivor of this guy who maybe it was his first go and he wasn't quite at it, and someone's got away still like horrifically traumatised, and they're able to get a few more details. They don't know the hands are soft, he's got soft hands and things, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

So he doesn't work in the field, and then they got a labour. Then they go back to the two village ones, they go back to the forest just to kind of go back to the crime scene, then they hear a noise, they hide. The sole guy comes in, he hides he hears another noise, someone else comes in, and you see a guy, he comes in, takes a pair of bra. He takes a bra out of his pants, he puts it on the floor. Which we know is what is used to tie people.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

Yeah, but that was what it was.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

He takes his pants down, he's wearing women's knickers, pink knickers, women's knickers, and then he starts having a tug. He just lays out some pants and a bra and he's just starts beating off.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Yeah, and then all the police are looking at him. It's just some guy who's got a weird thing. Is that it?

SPEAKER_03 12:16

They run after him in the twig and he looks around and runs off, and they're like, he obviously doesn't want to get pinched for having a wagon.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

But they do they do find him and it's a really long chase, it's really good. Yeah, they start torturing this guy as well. They p they try and pin it on him, but nobody's gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Well, the bra thing would make you a little bit Well Yeah, I mean it the first thing you're like, uh oh. And then he's like, Well, no, obviously I don't want to get caught wacking in the field.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

No, and it is you realise that his wife is really ill, he's looking after her, he's probably just gone there for like the kids are at home, they live in like a he's just desperate to crack one out. Yeah, that's what he's saying.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

He's like, I've got my wife and kids at home, I can't do that at home. And when you when the the police goes to his house, it's basically a studio. And mind you, this is rural Korea, but it looks shit. Yeah. Yeah. Like really bad.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

He's got a few he's got a few sort of porno mags and and things, but not anything else that would indicate that he's the killer. But they still, you know, really beat the shit out of him and they're clueless, they're not chasing evidence, really.

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They're trying to beat it.

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They found out that he's ready to admit it, to be honest, after the beatings. Yeah. He's going people are saying, Oh, I did that, yeah. Sorry, I did that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

But they do find out that it's it's gotta be some guy, probably probably a professional guy who works in the office because he's got his soft hands, and and they do it. The trail eventually will lead them to this clerk.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

Yeah. Well, the song plays and then they call straight away to the radio station because the only way to request is through a card, through a signed card with a name and an address. Okay. You can't just call. There wasn't that easy. So he left himself a very unique calling card.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Literal calling card, yeah. And when they went round to his house, he's he's smarter than any of the others. Like he just will not admit this.

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He's not having They've got nothing except the phone the the formal military.

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And the army and he knows and and people know that cops beat confessions out of people and he says, You're not gonna do it out of me. Like, you know, you know. And he really does convince you that he There is no evidence. I don't know if he likes the songs.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

It may not be so their methods of just beating the shit out of people are not gonna work on this guy. No, he's not intimidated enough.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

The the guy he can defend the one who's come in to bring some method and some you know he's starting to fucking lose it. He really believes that this is this is the guy, but it's circumstantial. He just requests his songs. So what he just likes to do. It's not enough evidence on its own.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

It's particularly bad at at one point where there's an another murder, and it's of a girl that the guy from Seoul has a young schoolgirl and he's put a plaster on her or something, and you've realized that you're gonna see that plaster on a dead body in a little while stuff time. Yeah. And he he probably loses it after this. This is all in and around the the original like culprit or the original uh guy who got accused, the vulnerable guy. He puts a a piece of wood with a nail through one of the detectives' legs that's been beating him up. There's a massive brawl, isn't it? Yeah, big brawl, and he just freaks out and he ends up whacking this guy and it's got a nail in it. A rusty nail, I think. Yeah, they they they run after him in the they do think he knows something seen it.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

He probably you know, because he just hangs around and he sort of lurks around because he doesn't have anywhere to go with it, but he's seen something and they need to get some detail out of him, but after he's done this he runs off, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Yeah, and he ends up getting hit by a truck. He gets mowed down. Alright, blaming. And so that line of inquiry's gone as well. The guy who got the the guy who got the the bad leg, he's the next day he's pushing the the car along the road and everything, it's not starting and oh I saw and they look at it. Anyway, he ends up losing his leg. Alright. His trademark was to kick people. And still the murders go on, and still the how many murders have there been now?

SPEAKER_02 16:21

So four. Okay. And so have we got any insight into is his motivations at no like that's the thing about him, he's just a dude.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

He's got stoic as well. He works in a control room at the factory, doesn't really give anything away. He goes and eats by himself, he just sits there, he's very handsome.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

We don't know anything about what his motives other than he's just fixated on power trip over women. Yeah. But he's just completely ordinary guy.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

He's and this is the thing, on the night that he he's under surveillance, and on the night that he's out for dinner, our guy from Seoul is uh watching him, he falls asleep, and he just sees him going in the in a bus and his scar won't start. And that's the night where he kills that young girl. The school girl disaster. After that, they go to the funeral and he just loses it, and he's like, I know who did it, it's that guy. And he because meanwhile they have a DNA sample from a sperm, and he they said the only way we can get this is if we send it to America. Yeah. And every day or every other day, they keep calling it. Say, Have we got this DNA sample? Can we get this DNA sample? He goes in, goes to his house, picks the suspect up, beats him up, and He throws him down on some train lines.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

I thought he was gonna like leave him to another one to get hit by the train, but he he pulls the gun on him and he's gonna execute him. This is the guy from Seoul, who's the one that's supposed to be the Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the original guy, well reversal, comes down, he's like, no, no, no, and he's like, I've got this. I've got the results. Well, the results, and the results are inconclusive. Uh. So they've still got fuck all and he still pulls the gun on him again. You think, oh, he's actually gonna fucking do it, he's gonna execute him. And he does, he shoots, he shoots, but he he it can't. Because he's misses Park's let him go, and he's sort of gone down the tunnel a little bit, and he sh he shoots and misses him, or maybe hits a bee and still gets away.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

He's got his hands out of the behind his back with the handcuffs. Yeah. Where he just gets away. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

With with his hands. So that's it, it's unresolved. It is unresolved. It's unresolved, and then it goes, it jumps to 2003 Park Newsletter. Maybe because of that, is no longer detective. He's married with kids and he's a salesman. Yeah. And he's commuting and he stops off at the site of the original, not the original murder, but the original one that started the drainage. Yeah, yeah. And he just goes and he sort of looks in there again and it's you know, there's this sort of thing obviously eating away at him, and he's just sort of looking and he's like, and a little kitty comes along and says, Well, Mr. He's like, I'm just looking for something, but probably nothing there. And she says, Oh, I saw another guy here not so long ago. And he's like, Alright. Alright, who was that? Um, he said he'd been here, he'd done something here a long time ago. And he's like, Oh what fucking hell, what does he look like? It's just just some days extraordinary. Just a normal guy, yeah. And that's it. And he just stares, it's a just a blank sort of stare right into the camera, and he's just like lost, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Guys to that.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

Still no closer to finding him.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

They beat up a load of people, so many misguided. People die people maimed. Guy got away with murder. And a guy got away with murder and carried on the body.

SPEAKER_03 19:29

In real life, through advances in DNA and all that sort of stuff, they did catch the guy, Li Chung Jae. He later confessed, hopefully not through like violence to multiple murders. But the statute of limitations had expired for these crimes. Serious? So statute of limitations.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Is there a statute of limitations on murder in in England? I don't think there is.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

I wouldn't have thought so, no, I don't think so. But yeah, apparently. Wow, fuck me. So it's fucking bleak. Yeah. And these are what did he do? I don't know. Did he carry on? Because we don't know because he identified some, but did he carry on in through the eighties and nineties?

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Well, it said that he confessed to k killing 14 people and that's more than you. Yeah. I I announced that a man, Lee John Jack, had been identified as suspect in the killings, and yeah, he's he was multiple rapes as well.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

So they do obviously the the crimes, and obviously that's like really horrendous. But they'd play the police force almost for laughs at times, like really dumb. Incompetent ladies of like these guys are just complete goons, like yeah, idiots. The way they speak to each other, the way they carry it. They're constantly getting like trouble off the captain because they're just fighting all the time, and he says, right, next time you fight, I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

And the captain ain't no like tiny little guy.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

They're like what like macho meatheads, basically, just going around just kicking the shit out of the street.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Because they think they get wasted, and they've never had beaten.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Probably never had a murder before, they're just dealing with like drunks and stuff, which they would just slap. Well, he really made it sound like Hicksville from the beginning when he's going out on the tractor and like like you say the current scene.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

It's very rural setting, yeah. There's a couple of taverns and you know a few bits, but it's not much.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

It's not booming technology yet. And and very sort of human characters in the sense that, you know, people that you can imagine them in these little towns having that kind of attitude to just get the job done. At one point they're celebrating, they want to get their picture in the paper. I've just got to see, you know, somebody. He watches somebody with the say the red underwear guy, and he pot he sees that he's got the red underwear, but he wants to still give the impression that I can just tell by looking in somebody's eyes, so he gets them to line up, he knows which one it is, and he's goes you like you know and it pulls up his under yes and they kind of celebrate and again that they've got the guy but yeah it's it's time after time that they just use brutality and uh and it's incompetence as well because all the the crime scenes are just too many people around and it looks absolutely nuts. But yeah I I quite enjoyed it it was well directed and and I like the actors. It wasn't my favourite Korean film of all time though if I'm gonna be honest in in the sense that some of those ones I just think wow that's complete headspin and I'll I'll watch that again and again and obviously this guy is you know an Oscar winning director and has made some you know Parasite obviously was all out of his mind and and and fantastic. There wasn't a lot to like about the characters maybe again you know those films that they didn't really like anybody within the whole film again.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

You know we need to laugh at no you just couldn't say it's only the lady in the police force who actually shows her she gets treated so badly by the rest of them because there is such a man oriented world that whatever she says they're like oh yeah go give us some more rice haha it's just like she comes up with all these ideas or she'll tell them oh whenever it rains this song plays and look at the records and they're like records no it has to be it's it's just like Yeah is it Song Kang Ho is the the actor that we've seen in other Korean films I think Parasite as well who is brilliant is the the the detective and the the lead guy but I'd say not a hugely I wanted to like him in the beginning but until then he started just doing some horrible brutal shit.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

He never he well he stops the guy getting killed at the very end but other than that yeah there's that he's he's bad but he's not that bad there's just a a a kind of a line at one point he buys the the disabled guy some Nikes and he goes the guy goes he beat him up he's he's done horrible things to him like and and accused him of murder and try and get him to confess to it and he goes look I bought you some new trainers because the old ones like they stunk and I mean he tried to use his old trainers and put into their mud and make a create a new footprint. We could say look your footprint was at the scene like you know and he goes the other the sole guy goes they're not even Nike they're nice. That's right you know you've cheaped out on him like you know yeah so there'd be bits of humour black humour in it and that but it was what two hours just a shade over two.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Just a shade over two over two hours? I was very confused about this film I have to be honest because exactly what you said is this is a serious and and the the the suspense bit and the murder bit and and when this lady goes like the women the the very few scenes where they show where the women are stalked and something happens to them, there actually is like tense music and and you're quite on the edge of your seat and then on the other side it almost looks like a parody. It's almost like a slapstick where where they they run after the suspect and they get in each other's way and there's a cart and you know it's just like even when they're investigating half of the time is surely it's it's more almost like surely that guy even anyone can see that that's not the guy, you know things like that. So it's almost like a confusing way and it's way too long. Two hours isn't you shouldn't wait to two hours to to get to that ending.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

Where it where it gets to the ending where you know they obviously don't catch the guy.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

I watched it with with the misses and she just like she just snuffed no she was not happy with the other thing that's two endings this week that they know gonna be a bit interesting to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 25:46

Yeah. I did enjoy it. It is a bit little it is a little bit too long. It does drag a little bit and I was waiting I I was waiting for a more clear resolution as well I thought or I thought they were just going to execute I did think they might kill that guy at the end. Or the train hits him or I was thinking that the guy was going to go full psycho time to the to the tracks to the tracks paper something like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

It's interesting because it not wasn't at all then really about the serial killer.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

It was about the culture of police watching it that it was based on real Yeah also you have to remember this is a language that none of us has any idea of any s word or any sound.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

I get drawn into that as well I get drawn into like listening to it and going I can't identify it.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

So you have to rely on the subtitles and you have to read everything whereas if you watch a film in Spanish or in French or whatever you might at least know a couple of things or you know which because it's a different culture you know from their gesture and their mannerism you still don't really know.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

You lose a lot of subtlety just in in the transl this lost in translation we didn't get caught with any subtitle dramas this week though was it subtitles I enjoyed it I enjoyed it it was made for just a little bit under two three million. This was on ITVX wasn't it and the main was on channel four it's buying it bought it yeah yeah yeah I heard that yeah 2.8 million this cost apparently dollars um and it's done over twelve million yeah I I thought it would have made money it's it's not look it's not bad it's just a little bit lopsided in in you could tell like it's one of his early films and he's refined it you know as his his craft has gone on but still I think this is good and it's well directed I would give it I would give it a strong recommend. Strong recommend yeah strong. Yeah,