Hell or High Water & Trap Door

Hell or High Water

Reegs: Welcome to bad dads film review As any parent will tell you having children puts a serious dent in your ability to watch films So we started a weekly podcast to catch up on the ones that we missed and having turned our collective focus and attention on a movie released anytime in the last 15 years or so we thought it might be funny if we did the same thing with the stuff our kids watch too only You'll be able to tell us if we've met that very limited brief  There will be spoilers and language and cheese So if you're offended by any one of those things apologies in advance This week's episode is brought to you from the mind of one of the bad dads a cohost Peter Andre Now as some listeners may recall that's not just a silly nickname We've bestowed upon our resident from our officiant Ardo but an actual silly name given to him by his parents who presumably hated him Now we have all collectively known each other for years off and on in mind inside these case something like 30 years which literally made my heart sing can fingers tremble as I typed to these words earlier today but how well do we really know bad dad Peter Andre Dan and Sandy we're about to find out in a segment which whoa mysterious PETA

Dan: close to you

Reegs: So I have in my possession some genuine facts sourced from our cat bothering friend himself earlier today And I've interspersed those with some truths and possibly some not truths about the popular nineties singer who shares Peter's identity All you have to do is figure out if we're talking about Peter Andre or Peter non Dre Yeah I I thought about that for about four or five hours and that was literally the best I could come up with okay So I'm going to go do a fact and you guys are so Peter Andre was born in Harrow London Is that Peter Andre or the other one Peter

Sidey: The other one

Dan: I think it's the real Peter Andre

Reegs: Well who are you saying is the real Peter Andre

Dan: The good one

Reegs: This one here in that in the room Yeah You're saying Peter non Dre That is I'm afraid both You're both right That's Peter and Andre Peter Andre has 14

Dan: No I think that's true on both counts

Sidey: It was certainly chose peer there

Reegs: What's your final answer

Dan: Yeah non dry

Reegs: Yeah It's both of them actually So you were right I think you both get a point So you're doing well Peter Andre had an early brush with stardom singing on the Sunday afternoon religious television show highway hosted by

Dan: That is something actually

Sidey: that's our

Dan: that that's how Pete because Al Pete has a better voice than Pete Andre I don't know if you've ever heard him sing but it is

Reegs: is this

Dan: it's a genuine it's a genuine

Reegs: Is that your final answer Is that what you say You are Peter Andre or Peter Andre It's this Peter Oh you know him Well Peter Andre has shanked Jordan trick question Both of them have as have all of us and all of the listeners as well Peter Andre was born on the exact same day as the world's first ever test you baby Louise brown

Sidey: Oh

Dan: Or sister brown as he goes there

Sidey: say that was the other Peter Andre

Dan: I would say

Reegs: to make a difference now So I've only got one question left So

Dan: Well then I'm gonna S I'm gonna stick with this one I don't think it hinges on this I think it's that the dry

Reegs: you both come from the same answer You're both wrong Peter was in fact born on the exact same day as it

Sidey: some relevance to it

Reegs: So this is it Now it's a tie breaker question The final question it's a tricky one Yeah Peter Andre has an estimated net worth of 12.3 million

Sidey: Well just drive a Mercedes

Dan: And and you know you look at globally comes around here and then

Sidey: I gotta say it's that's our feet

Reegs: That's our peer Andre I'm

Sidey: you think well hang on Are we including are we including the extended family net worth Because I think there's a rich uncle in there somewhere

Dan: Oh that kid go way up

Sidey: the country club dude No no

Pete: yeah since Cindy's got an uncle with a few quid he's actually a star of Hollywood cinema Hollywood cinema Hong Kong cinema Sorry

Reegs: Yeah So I I assumed your net worth was way in excessive The poultry 12.3

Sidey: Oh that's true Actually Yeah We've shortchanged you Yeah

Reegs: It's where it's a draw and it appears you both know Peter Andre well so

Dan: equally unwell

Reegs: equally unwell So commiserations to you

Sidey: but interesting fact though that Peter Andre put his big boy pants on this week and watched a really good movie I think

Reegs: raising cane

Pete: No it did I mean

Sidey: you screenshot is something to me

Pete: we've done to the segment of what we've watched this week Okay So I did put on my big boy pants I was I was off work or I was ill on Friday and I was in bed and I thought I'm going to watch some stuff that I promised that I would watch So I actually watched three films that day and one of them was the shining

Dan: Okay And you've

Pete: brilliant

Dan: you've lived to tell the

Pete: Waterfield

Sidey: And

Pete: I was yeah it was a little bit again not not the horror film I was expecting It's a bit there's not actually like many like you know it's not a slasher film Yeah Very weird tense and fucking water performance

Sidey: Jack's amazing The scene in the in the bathroom with the Butler dude when they're just talking about red sort of Berman and he's saying I had to

Pete: yeah

Sidey: I can't how does he describe it It's really matter of fact I had to deal with them or something

Pete: no correct them or users Yeah he correct my family And that's obviously what what Jack thing goes One thing I didn't understand is why he says his Johnny is now your character name is

Sidey: gone completely mental

Reegs: it's it was a line from American television He is Johnny Johnny Carson He used to say it was the Carson show

Pete: That that was lost to me because I remember because I obviously I've seen that particular scene before but and then all the way through I was thinking his name's Jack wa it may be again like multiple personalities Maybe he's become Johnny but

Sidey: the the woman in the bathroom do anything for you

Reegs: yeah yeah

Sidey: So what was the what was the

Pete: I that I'm talking about the older lady

Sidey: Yeah

Pete: with all the sores

Sidey: What was the trip ahead of them

Dan: I'm just I'm just picturing Pete embed light is on you know to watch this there there's No Yeah

Pete: we're going to watch this at daytime when I had pillows and blankets and stuff like that to yeah To to cuddle me So another film that I watched is one that I remember promising that I was going to watch I watched guardians of the galaxy which I've really enjoyed I did I did enjoy it It was I really liked

Dan: after the shiny

Pete: No I watched it before actually I watched guardians of the galaxy first and yeah I did I enjoyed it And then what I did is I watched the sequel to one of those two films that I just mentioned

Sidey: to sleep guardian

Pete: of the galaxy too Yeah yeah yeah It wasn't as good

Reegs: It's good

Sidey: it's a VIN diesel does the voice for group and he did So each of those lines he did a separate reading for each user and he was he would get the drags and he'd say so what's my motivation Like just say the fucking line It I'm great You know what I

Reegs: they give him a special version of the script that had what group was actually saying

Sidey: Oh really Well it seems like he was after that sort of yeah Meaning behind the Yeah What about your dad

Dan: I started to watch last night late the Zack Snyder thing Yeah The justice league with the zombie The is that no not the justice league army that they'd won it was around about I know quarter past 11 before I even put it on So I only started to watch I think it took me to about half 12 before I did manage to turn it off though and say right I've got to call it a day So I've got the rest of it there to go But I know you were saying the other day and it was one of those I said well I'll give it a go You've convinced me enough And I'm I'm enjoying

Reegs: it Yeah

Dan: Yeah it's a it's it's silly enough and well done enough that you can just put it on enjoy it without judging it too much for and it's very stylized actually Isn't it

Reegs: Right He's always does that stuff Yeah But the music choices are so like obvious with the the zombie Elvis like and the Eiffel tower falls on

Dan: he does the they do the doors as well but they they slow it right down They had that was it Mike pops And you remember they did that um wonderful Mike Flowers and they they did one the wall and they did a load of other songs that they just kind of took the piss out of really or slowed and wiped down And they did that with this film as well with the soundtrack was good It's clever

Reegs: We just started the most recent series of billions which I think is season five I've not I've lost the plot of I don't really know what's

Dan: Was it good The first few

Reegs: I really liked billions Yeah

Pete: it's it it got cut short this season that you're watching there's only seven episodes I've

Reegs: watched

Pete: I've watched the seven up to the seventh episode and then I think maybe COVID yeah yeah Fucked it But yeah

Reegs: The previous seasons two and three were really

Pete: Yeah The sort of like the psychological kind of warfare that they're waging on each other and it keeps changing tactics Really good Yeah

Reegs: Mm like huge alpha male but trapped in a tiny B2 male's body Yeah Cause he's like two foot tall and like you know it's just nothing to him but he's a killer it's cold you know and he's

Pete: He's he's

Reegs: ruthless logic games yeah And there's a weird sex thing to it as well So yeah that's good But and I quite I quite fancy Candella Rashad is the is the lady's name It she's No I do like her as well she is the well she used to work for him and then she was with the other guy

Pete: are we talking about Ty Like Taylor Mason

Reegs: black No not Taylor Mason

Sidey: talking to my

Pete: girlfriend with a with the Afro Oh I know

Sidey: Oh my God This is so drawn out

Pete: I do know who you mean No Yeah yeah yeah She's tasty Yeah Paul Giamatti's kind of like protege but then yeah ends up

Dan: yeah yeah Yeah The other thing that I squeezed in this week I forgot to mention was the second part of Lupa Omar PSI on Netflix which I recommend a good a good two-part and there will be a third part coming out So

Sidey: It's that biggest biggest hit I think so far

Dan: Really is it Yeah he's a great star Although he's put on some timber for this second bit is one part where he's running after someone and you think okay he's not actually going to catch him though Is he

Sidey: I found myself with a bit of free time on Saturday So I put out requests on the Twitterverse and had a lot of recommendations but someone said as it was a pride month they recommended it's called the broken hearts club so I watched it it's really really gay But all the car star straight which was kind of a bit like well apart from Billy Porter is it who's massively gay but it's really kind of I don't know like a straight person's version of what but this guy seemed to it was a big fan of it must be

Reegs: What's the point of having a thing about

Sidey: I don't know

Reegs: gay people and gay culture

Sidey: It was all right It wasn't it was okay But then they had like these sort of I've sort of went back with my thoughts on it And I said a little bit cliche few moments that I didn't really vibe with And he this guy was like yeah but it was still kind of good fun but it had like gay people being bad at sport and them all being shit When I was like that's a bit condescending isn't it And so it was all right I wouldn't go out of your way to watch it though I also stumbled across a documentary called finding Vivian Meyer

Reegs: It's a sequel to finding Nemo

Sidey: Yeah

Dan: is the photographer isn't

Sidey: lady Really interesting

Dan: I started to watch

Sidey: It's cool Yeah So this this chat buys a box of negatives He's just looking for some stock photos for bookies doing gets in this web of this woman who's just got hundreds of thousands of photos never been published or displayed anywhere or anything like that But they're amazing photos and he's well he thinks they're good And he sends them to a few people and they're like this these fucking great vote So he tracks down and he finds these storage lockers just full of these boxes of these undeveloped photos and rolls of film And he delves into trying to find out about our life and why these would never come It's really interesting but I definitely recommend that one It's on Amazon prime

Dan: Yeah Cause she's like a nanny or

Sidey: something

Dan: Who's

Sidey: It wasn't a very nice person As it turns out she was quite abusive to some of the kids and stuff It was a bit I think that she had probably been

Dan: a few of her snaps as you as you do if you watched your trailer or watch the first sort of 20 minutes as I did And wow You know she had a lovely I for for some of the classic kind of American scenes and things that she's got

Sidey: cool So I've been watching a lot of I don't even know if you want to hear about us a YouTube channel called global cycling network because I am I am undertaking a charity cycle challenge at some point when COVID allows for London to Paris So I'm learning things you know about technique and watch did you bike and blah blah blah blah And this I've got kind of hooked on that and I've watched about three hours of it on Sunday so that was quite good but very niche

Reegs: Yeah Great

Dan: are you joining Sidey on this challenge because you're you've been clocking up the miles on the bikes

Reegs: a stationary bike my bike

Dan: Yeah But you know who's putting in the hours Yeah

Reegs: Yeah just check my diary

Dan: Yeah

Sidey: We had a top five to finish off from last week anyone remember what the topic was

Pete: Balls

Sidey: that's right

Dan: We actually

Pete: I've actually found one

Dan: a bowl

Pete: Yeah well also bulls in films that I think maybe we'll accept it If there hasn't been any have there been any like

Reegs: There were some I haven't

Sidey: is good

Reegs: Oh yes Who nominated That That was a good

Sidey: the spot I think it was either math or

Reegs: someone else

Sidey: Or something like that

Reegs: Yeah that was a good one

Pete: Mine is a character an eight year old character called Alex uses marbles as a booby trap for a character called in home alone Three

three

Reegs: Well and home alone three goes in

 I want to know what cheese

Sidey: This week's cheese brought to you by my self is what I've I've re upped on the shallowness because that was

Pete: a huge hit

Sidey: so good Last time which is a kind of It looks like a goat's cheese but it's not it's a soft creamy cow's milk cheese And then I picked up a Keen's mature cheddar which is five on the cheese butter So that's quite mature

Pete: Yeah pungent

Sidey: That's that's two they're quite sizable cheese I thought that would be enough for us tonight Yeah So that's decent We've got a variety of chutneys to enjoy with them which leads very well into this week It's top five which is a war films you couldn't you couldn't quite decide

Pete: well no I could I and I did decide And so I went specifically with Vietnam war film

Reegs: eventually

Pete: Yeah well no Yeah

Reegs: there was some

Pete: trying to get some input and steer from you guys and you had Dick So so in the end I

Sidey: I've done I've done Vietnam

Pete: I've only done Vietnam

Reegs: I've only done Vietnam

Sidey: There are fucking loads of it and I'll move

Reegs: Yeah It also included Vietnam flashback scenes or movies that are the result of Vietnam

Pete: Yeah Okay So I've I've allowed that into my

Sidey: yeah Yeah That's for

Pete: into my offerings as well

Sidey: you know

Dan: How many Vietnam films there were

Sidey: a lot

Dan: you weren't there man You don't know

Sidey: I don't know how many were but I part of my research did just so fucking many I think maybe more than any other war

Pete: well I th one thing

Reegs: world wars had a lot of

Pete: the second world war has had a lot but like Vietnam war It's interesting to me like how many I've seen I mean I've I've okay I've got 10 on my on my list here which is quite a lot I've probably not seen that many for any other war I've got absolutely no connection Like my grand father was involved in the second world war and there's a lot more huh

Sidey: you start it Yeah Hmm

Pete: Yeah Rest in peace out of

Sorry no my so yeah I've got no real sort of affinity or connection whatsoever to Vietnam or Vietnam war films However I think growing up being born late seventies and then you know that that kind of like was the era like around the time of the Vietnam war ending I think And then films subsequently made it's almost like the only good thing that came out of the Vietnam war was the was some yeah it was some some good art so yeah it was interesting to me why there is such a like a sort of a sinner cinema time No I'm not going to try and

Reegs: well just because the filmmakers were of age I mean one of the guys that we're going to talk about Oliver stone was obviously there and so made a film about his experiences and I America was processing what it meant to them to have been in that war

Sidey: and lost

Reegs: and and lost Exactly Yeah And then also a lot of the movies are taking place You know there was a concentration of stuff made very late eighties to kind of mid nineties There was a lot of the movies that we'll probably talk about were made in that period as well

Dan: yeah Is interesting as well I don't know if you I know you guys been to Vietnam

Sidey: We'd love to we'd love to go

Dan: It it's fascinating country I did a month there years back they call it the American war They of course they don't You know call it Vietnam war and I'm I'm a little bit disappointed It my research never took in some Vietnamese Vietnamese films I just didn't see him I could have pulled them out but I hadn't seen him So I didn't want to bring him to the show but I would I'm sure that there will be some Vietnamese directors and people from that side that a world who have a totally different spin on

Sidey: the

Dan: of films that we're

Sidey: really good point actually Cause I haven't seen anything like that And that would be great to see another perspective on that conflict

Dan: there there are obviously some of these directors that do look at it differently this war and from different perspectives and different characters and things And if we're gonna kick off with one then casualties Would be one that you potentially see from a different side of things is the Michael J.

Reegs: Fox one

Dan: where he is the the lone soldier really as a voice against the brutality of the Americans in his own troop who find this Vietnamese girl kidnapper raper I pretty much think they ended up killing her and it's it's horrific show and then it's the aftermath of all that which again you know it's a view from many of the other films that I've got on my list that you wouldn't

Reegs: It's got your mate Sean Penn in it Have you seen this one DePalma one the central part of the movie That's all about the stuff that Dan's talking about where this group of That brutally dehumanize this women and rape her And there's a couple of guys who don't want to do it And then one of them gets turned around because of the group dynamic basically And it's all about what does your moral standpoint do under gunfire and that you know there's loads of interesting stuff going on but it's book-ended with this clumsy stuff where Michael J.

Fox is like as an old guy on a train like sees a woman that vaguely reminds him of and it's really bad that stuff but yeah the the central part is gripping

Dan: And and again just as we were talking about a completely different view on on a Vietnam film which I would normally associate with something that I'm sure one of you guys are going to mention very soon apocalypse now which is that you know guns blazing or certainly big scenes where that happens

Pete: Yeah I mean most of these films here there's not really positive portrayals The war itself or Americans in in the war I think there were you know there were at the very beginning of the war during it there were some nights that of propaganda based films that were made kind of glorifying like America and the purpose of them being there and so on But I think a lot of these films were like directors who and writers who wanted to kind of highlight that Actually it wasn't so cool And there was a lot of negativity and so

Dan: this was a hell of a cold war I mean Hollywood loved this war You know he's got a soundtrack now for this is you know bandanas got

Reegs: that aspect of it a bit tasteless

Dan: is it is a little bit but I mean we do see it don't worry

Reegs: You do Yeah absolutely And some of that is because of the iconic imagery So you were going to talk about apocalypse now earlier and that's one where you've got so much of that

Pete: Let's talk about it Yeah So

Dan: You know the beginning of the film where you

Sidey: just

Dan: that Yeah It's you you got the the doors and then of course it's Saigon fucking Saigon When it when he's he's hitting himself on on the neck from the mosquito so hot and humid and you start going into the world of I forget the name of the character's name but it's based on John's if Conrad's book Yeah

Pete: Yeah The characters So Michael sheen is is is it Michael Shane Michael Shane is captain Willard And he's charged with

Reegs: sheen

Pete: Martin Shane

Reegs: Yeah Michael Sheen's the Tony Blair guy He does it together forever or whatever

Pete: Martin Shane Yeah of course yeah he's He's yeah he's charged with finding and killing a

Reegs: well Kurtz has gone rogue

Pete: Kurtz Who's Marlon Brando He's gone rogue and he ISA yeah He's not

Reegs: There's so many legendary stories about how this film was made as well as the film itself being absolutely fucking amazing as

Dan: well

Sidey: Well there's I've got on my list is the documentary of the making of this film which is hearts of darkness the filmmakers the apocalypse which was a couple of his wife was filming behind the scenes and also doing sort of secret recordings of but not necessarily secret but she was she was just recording the stuff that was going on And it was just complete carnage I mean Shane had a heart attack didn't they Yeah yeah it was all sorts of other stuff I think lots of drug use and just the hate It was

Reegs: absolutely the scene where he cuts himself in the hotel room He was fucking paralytic and they just let the camera roll and yeah there's all sorts of

Dan: I mean all of us stone you know is I think this is peak of his stone in and around this

Pete: This is

Reegs: no this is yeah But apocalypse now Yeah

Dan: now I'm sorry I take it back It's not peak Oliver stone It's peak copper

Reegs: Yeah he's you've got this like crazy character study of Kurtz and then all these incredible scenes obviously the ride of the Valkyries

Pete: and

Reegs: getting the guy to surf on the beach is it it's just mental really

Dan: of napalm in the morning of

Sidey: Brando was super paranoid about his weight at this point Wasn't

Reegs: Well cause he was a big fat shit when he turned

Sidey: they didn't give a fuck but he didn't give a fuck later on in life But at this point he did he did He didn't want to be on the on the screen too much That's why he sort of

Reegs: I didn't want to say any of the words that were in the script So he just said his own shit and they just put them in the dark and stuff in it and it worked and it was amazing And watch that you know about that

Dan: He knows what he's doing

Reegs: the Redux version just that we can finish it off but it's got an extra 40 minutes mostly of them sitting around a big table talking

Sidey: No not so keen on that Tropic thunder though is a film where they are making a Vietnam war movie and there's some funny moments in it and blah blah blah We were talking before we started recording about the woke brigade I think yeah Have a field day with this nowadays because it has the sort of the film within it Well before we can get that as the film within a film of the is it Jack I can't remember the boy we're learning

Pete: simple Jack Yeah

Sidey: sort of thing And then the

Reegs: am I allowed because I am laughing Cause we used to call somebody at work simple

Pete: parodying like Forrest Gump P like particularly yeah

Reegs: And Hollywood's like like saccharin treatment of that sort of thing

Sidey: But then you also obviously have Robert Downey Jr Blackface I don't think they would make that nowadays

Pete: fact

Sidey: Well

Pete: ever address it They're

Sidey: addressed

Pete: it in the film That's because they're they're parodying it because it's like he's so method that he has like skin pigmentation like operation to become black for the film he's like in Australia is like Lazarus And he's a yeah He's so he's so method that he and then they address it cause like the the the black guy in the film is constantly peppering him for like how he talks and what he's doing And so I like just yeah It's I think they address that in the film as opposed to yeah You know doing

Reegs: it's not just left out there Yeah

Pete: doing it ignorantly I think they they know exactly what they do

Sidey: And also Tom cruise is just fucking wonderful and they're so great

Reegs: amazing Yeah Good one

Pete: Yeah So an actual Oliver stone film is so one of them cause he he definitely did a few but one the one that I've seen is 1986 platoon so the other sheen or another sheen Charlie this time who's a you know he's he's he's young he's been drafted He arrives in bit

Reegs: stone basically Isn't he I

Pete: Yeah yeah yeah Semi autobiographical So he arrives in Vietnam and when he arrives he's in in a platoon that's that's divided massively because of the the two but neither of them are actually like the wa I dunno what you call the leader of the platoon Like but anyway that neither of them are the the chief guy platoon leaders Yeah but their plates respectfully by Willem Defoe and Tom Berenger and William Defoe's kind of like he's like he's quite cool He likes to sit around and have a beer and a laugh and a few joints with with the with his comrades when there's some downtime and Tom Berenger is a fucking maniac asshole but they both got

Reegs: but you you also need them on your side in a fight

Pete: Absolutely because he's he's ruthless and he'll make like the the the the hard but right

Sidey: Decision

Pete: and yeah the the film itself kind of like like sort of crescendos to the scene where it's the I'm pretty sure the poster that's Willem Defoe getting down and it's they think that it's as a result of like Tom Berenger's kind of like decision or deliberate

Reegs: that's the scene that people talk about But when I think about that movie I always think about the scene where they go into that village and constantly you're like You're viewing the local population with this kind of combination of fear and mistrust basically because you don't know who your enemy is and they go into this village and there's just a sequence of events that happens And it turns into this absolute bloodbath and it's just all fun and you can see how it happened There must've been awful scenes that happened exactly like that And it's such a powerful

Pete: the you know like the you know the American you know army guys themselves would have been some would have been very conflicted somewhat of like Like empathy and you know support to local people who are just caught up in this conflict and others would have just been like ruthless assholes That would have been like they're all fucking they look different to us They're all the enemy Let's slaughter them and treat them like fuck it animals

Reegs: quite as simple as that either Is it it's I mean it's also I went on tour with this guy He was my buddy and I saw him killed And that happened to buddy after buddy after buddy And you know you also you've trained me to go to this place and a lot of the movies deal with this aspect of it as well You've trained me to be a killer and it's changed me psychologically You can't expect me to not be a complete lunatic if that's what you've asked me to be

Dan: Yeah no there's no switches there I mean it this is it It's it's terrible one of the other films that I guess is particularly harrowing is the killing fields and I know this settles probably on the on the border actually of Cambodia and Vietnam but the the killing fields was the Kamir Rouge the the government that was in place after the Americans had left Vietnam

Reegs: is it POL pot and all

Dan: Poll

Pete: They rose up out of the aftermath Yeah Or they were there but they took control in the aftermath Yeah

Dan: right I went I went there I remember in this film first in Phnom Penh and then the next day going to the killing fields for real and it's just like absolutely mind blowing I mean the the tragedy the trauma the the absolute horrific kind of nature

Pete: a quarter of the population where word like

Sidey: so what was there any any intellectuals or anything like that anyone's just executed

Dan: years Zero It had to be yeah it was years Zero everybody if you weren't like a fighter we've no education who suddenly became top of the tree you know then you were you were liable to be killed and

Reegs: so when you say you went there you went to where the killing fields

Dan: you go to the killing fields they've changed it a little bit

Reegs: And can you get an ice cream there

Dan: three times at the time Yes You could do all that And you could it was I mean you'd wander in and it's like nobody had really thought of how to run a museum or anything Like it was just there just like you wander in there's you could pick up a skull There was you know all this kind of thing There was still bloodstains on things There was a tree you know there paintings of what had happened rather than photographs So they had artists that put on these you know Terrible scenes like you think fuck you know and there's an aura there you know to say scent is around a journalist who it is helpful ping an American New York times journalist and he's a Cambodian guy And anyway when the shit hits the fan all the Westerners are out of course the embassy and there's really scary hairy moments but they can't get this guy I think his name's SIF they can't get him out he you know he's Cambodian so he's left there and they can't get him out into America It's an incredible true story of how he does manage to get through to eventually Thailand and escape but

Reegs: that's the killing fields

Sidey: Does he get his revenge at any point

Reegs: revenge of the Sith

Dan: No How far would it goes Nine mil

Reegs: Anybody seen Hamburg

Pete: I haven't

Reegs: It's not an all-star cast It's got Don Cheadle in it is an early early appearance from him And it's kind of often unfavorably compared to Purdue

 It stands apart I think hamburger hill from us Vietnam war movies because it's not like it's not got the opera say of apocalypse now and it's not got the symbolic internal conflicts of something like platoon or like the black humor of something like full metal jacket It's just about yeah

Dan: Gibson

Reegs: no no no It's Don Cheadle and Dylan McDermott he kind of looks like a squashed Ross from friends he it's not got those things It's really just about the sort of bravery of the man then basically who were sent on these operations for fairly nebulous strategic reasons And this particular hill hill 9 3 7 nickname hamburger hill because enemy gunfire was so intense It turned attacking soldiers into hamburger meat and it's set over 11 days as they try to take this hill and they have no idea why and they suffer unbelievable casualties It's an entrenched Ridge with a bunker system and a gun and they're going up and it's just it's awful as you might imagine And the combat scenes are just unbelievably intense  It it's it's sort of this bleak film about the bravery of soldiers in like utterly pointless circumstances So kind of that like obviously a really strong antiwar message because it's you know spoiler alert they do eventually take the hill but basically everybody's dead The the the losses on both sides are so enormous that and then three weeks later America pulled out of Vietnam Anyway so and over 600 of the local population died over 500 people were injured nearly a hundred American soldiers were killed It was just an absolutely tragic battle a true battle and and a very good film

Sidey: this one was released 34 years ago yesterday which if you're listening to this on Friday is not true so it's full metal jacket which really is a film of two hubs

Pete: Yeah

Sidey: the first It sort of shows what you said before weeks about how these people are trained to become killers And it shows how you dehumanize these people and strip everything away till they're just grunts with a gun you know effectively that's where you are And we used to watch it and laugh because you do get the sort of the funny comments from the drill Sergeant about how he the insults that he he dishes out just relentlessly are quite funny when you're watching it especially when we were younger but that's probably how it happens And

Reegs: Well he Ali Emmy's a real

Sidey: drink It was him He wasn't cast originally He was the sort of advisor when Kubrick so how fucking good he was you know they had to have a man It's a study in

Reegs: tape of him doing just like 20 minutes of uninterrupted just

Sidey: And he would have been doing that for years to people you know and that's how you get these people to become just you know faceless sort of killers I guess what they want is Marines

Reegs: every now and then one might go a little

Sidey: but it's also a study in sort of bullying and what that what happens you know we used to laugh about it and it's fucking awful so you know that's almost the end you know it almost is like film one bang private power shoots the drill Sergeant and then we go off to war and it's a completely different movie And the

Pete: kill himself

Sidey: it does it at eight he shoots him He he he he sort of psychotically doing the routine you know and he says full metal jacket

Pete: Yeah

Sidey: shoots him in the face

Reegs: the chest and

Pete: seven killed Yeah Is it he sat down he just like sits down abruptly and bang and it's Yeah

Reegs: see his brain go all over the wall

Sidey: Yeah Vincent D'Onofrio um

Reegs: performance

Pete: he played like the men the original men in black film He was like the alien Yeah Yeah That guy Yeah I knew I'd seen him somewhere

Reegs: before so-so kingpin in Daredevil And I mentioned it because he was really

Sidey: Yeah It was good in that he was good in one of the doing orders as well but he this is the second half of the film is is good but it's not quite as memorable for me as the the first half But you do get that bit where what they the snipers just to take someone out but leave them alive And then you'd have this dilemma of do you go out to try and rescue them Cause you know you're just going to fucking get shot If you go And they just pepper The guy constantly is fucking

Reegs: and it turns out to be a young girl and the guy kills I mean it's just there's so much going on in those scenes as well People do forget it doesn't have the same impact I don't think it's the first part of the movie but there's still a lot of rich stuff going on in that second

Pete: A slightly different film but with with similar themes obviously because it's about the Vietnam war is good morning Vietnam with

Sidey: whether it's direct

Pete: no with no

Dan: you've got it in your I

Pete: You're the impressions guy on on the pod

Reegs: Robin Williams days

Pete: do love Robin when it I think he's a fucking brilliant actor

there we go Yeah that was strong

Reegs: had a nomination for this by the way So popular

Pete: Well I I really liked this so I really liked Robin Williams as an actor particularly when he's not trying to do comedy when he's trying to you know and in this obviously there are comedic elements he's brought to sort of liven up the like the the armed forces radio yeah Station And he comes in an east side massively kind of like anti-authority antiestablishment He goes against everything that the some of the guys and the producers and so on four but immediately it hits the mark and the troops are far more kind of like engaged with the with the radio because before it was just like information and the weather you've got that guy who's a total deck who tries like doing his own little skits And that's really embarrassing Robin Williams just comes in as a pro This is a it's a true story about a a real guy who did go out and do this I think I think it's a strong film and a really strong performance It then goes further into it He becomes a sort of like involved with a with a local girl she I think her brother is kind of like a covert like the Kong sort of operative operative there there ends up in the bar that they go to all the time There's a bomb goes off the brother this this Viet Cong operative who's Whose sister Robin Williams is saying he he sort of give gifts He drags him out Somehow he kind of gives him a heads up that he wants him to get out of the bar and then he walks across the road and the bar explodes because he he's killed a lot of people but but wants to sort of like save Robin Williams and yeah and it just becomes like a a love story that that can't really happen it's it's a bit tragic in that regard he sort of eventually his his time and his impact in Vietnam sort of is on the way And he does have this there's a moment where he's on the back of a truck and you know the guys recognize that it's him or I think Forrest Whitaker's character points out that it's it's him So he does like an impromptu sort of

Dan: it was in everything those days Wasn't he forest Whitaker

Pete: Yeah he was he was few Vietnam films as well Yeah But yeah that was it I I really liked I really liked the film I really liked Robin Williams as an actor and it's a good one

 Dan: we haven't mentioned it yet so I will mention that they are a test because this again is another huge heavyweight Vietnam film DeNiro wall kin you've got the Russian roulette scene You've Meryl Streep big fan I know over there I it's it's it's a film that stays with you long after the end credits roll been brought up and influenced in in so many other things Don't have to probably talk about too much here but I mean was it a film that you enjoyed seeing I've seen it a couple of times I loved the soundtrack course everybody at a wedding loves to sing I love you love you but you know singing around that's the big moment before they go off

Sidey: this is one of the ones that deals with the return from Vietnam as well which we haven't had too many of those yet

Pete: a few on my list

Sidey: So it's it's that sort of if you sent these people off to kill you know the feeling at home was that people didn't want to be involved with the Vietnam war So when these people came back they weren't you know treated with that much you know people weren't that happy to have these people back around and they weren't it wasn't an easy for people to integrate back into normal everyday life Yeah

Reegs: Rambo has got to be the the big example of that And that was really about what happens when you abandoned people Who've been through things he's just he's just a drifter isn't he just going

Sidey: just trying to find his mate

Reegs: trying to find his buddy Brian Denny he's an asshole And before you before you know it he's having non flashbacks And then he's in the middle of the woods with a knife in his teeth like stabbing dogs to death and wiping shit on blades And he they bring in Colonel Trautman and he says he says a line they're doing this sort of just how amazing Lee bad-ass is John Rambo And he's talking about you know 15 purple hearts and blah blah blah It says he's been trained to eat things that will make a Billy goat puke wish So yeah And but the climax is kind of Stallone blubbering about his war experiences and there's very little in the way of like big action or like eating things that might make animals

Sidey: If you hadn't seen this one and you've seen some of the later ones and then you went back to this you'd be thinking what the hell

Reegs: bizarre

Sidey: it doesn't really kill anyone Does

Reegs: The Rambo franchise it's this bizarre political like thing isn't it Because the second and third one they turned it into this sort of Reagan era super power version of him where he's a one man

Pete: So I've not seen I've only seen this one I've not seen any of the other ones And this one is he he makes some booby traps in the woods and there's some pretty violent there there is a couple of deaths It's the spiky stuff that

Reegs: yeah But he the only people that die as a result of Rambo stuff is an accident There's an accident with a helicopter but he doesn't actually kill anyone

Pete: He makes a booby trap but it's got some spikes

Reegs: on the spikes Yeah He wipes his own

Pete: and it spins out and kebab some guy he's not he wouldn't have liked danced again Yeah I'm pretty sure he was would have counted as a kill But yeah I I thought that was a really fucking good film and I've never been inclined to go and watch any of the others because of the then the sort of like it's almost like a parody of itself It's almost like I felt like you know like the hot shots films

Sidey: it's like it's like the UHF bit That's what they become like

Pete: yeah That's it So do I need to watch the other Rambos

Reegs: well there's a lot of them There's a lot of them now I've seen the most recent one I think it's the most recent one where he works on a branch and he has to go to Mexico to

Dan: I nearly started watching that instead of this Zack Snyder thing

Reegs: And then he brings them back to this like underground tunnel thing that he's made

Pete: I kind of said it felt I think somebody told me like the first ones that I could stand alone Brilliant film And then the rest of just silly versions

Dan: and three are quite I

Pete: Yeah

Reegs: it's also the most confusingly Franchise of all time because the fourth movie is called Rambo The first movie is first blood's Rambo two Rambo part three then it's Rambo

Pete: one is first blood

Reegs: part two Yeah So there's a lot going on there Number wise

Pete: Number one

Sidey: Another study in people returning from Vietnam is blind fury which is Rutger Hauer is He is blinded by a mortar explosion And while serving in Vietnam he's rescued by local villages and becomes a master Yeah with a samurai sword it's fucking great

Dan: it's a good movie

Sidey: It's really good

Reegs: I know you've talked about it before every time you mentioned I think that sounds amazing

Dan: a really nice support

Sidey: Other than him being trained Vietnam's really got nothing to do with it but I really like that felt really

Dan: well done

Pete: some others Well certainly the next one I've got my list here again it you see aspects of it in in Vietnam itself but then it's more about the the fallout It's another Oliver stone film 1989 born on the 4th of July with Tom cruise And it's a true story He's playing a guy called Ron Covich and it shows him you know being like the initial kind of like allure of of th there's a lot of propaganda going on and he he's he's hell keen to like sign up and go and serve his country And he jumps on the the bandwagon there I think whilst he's over there he accidentally kills one of his like comrades and and he has like a he gets shot himself and becomes paralyzed So by the time he gets back to the USCS he's in a wheelchair early Tom cruise films or earlier Tom cruise films where he has to play better assholes He's so fucking good at it Maybe he's a better outside of himself I don't know but really really powerful performance And then it deals with like the you know the fallout of it and you know how there's all the things that you were talking about you know he's he's not particularly like welcomed as a hero even though he's given you know he's he's lost so much over there lost a lot of himself his struggles with the yeah The well the use of his legs Anyway he struggles with like the the lack of financial support and becomes like a you know a lobbyists like for you know for people in his situation he's very much anti government and

Dan: a massive swig isn't it Because he's

Pete: completely it goes it goes full circle It shows him so keen as a young lad at the beginning and

Dan: having a milkshake with his friends on main street talking about we've got to get involved We got to get involved too a long head you know veterans Anti war then something like yeah You know something out of

Pete: yeah another one just really quickly dealing with the fallout from called dead presidents So it's like about it's about you know some some young yeah some like young black guys from from a neighborhoods all get drafted go along they see some fucking horrible shit They have to do some horrible shit They when they come back again they're struggling to reintegrate And like the easiest kind of path is to fall into a life of prime And then they end up sort of doing some some heists like some of them die Chris Tucker's in it actually And it's like he's playing like a straight a straight role And he yeah some of them end up sort of junkies and and die from that And I think like the main character ends up doing a big long stretch for an armed robbery that he got Yeah

Dan: to having like the local dealer all over his

Pete: Mason

Dan: who was an absolute honey and really innocent And when she gets back she's like a full on like she's been she's been oh yeah And he's like how did that happen And the guy goes I did that Thanks You send John I've got one here It's another Oliver stone film It's Forrest Gump

Sidey: yeah I was gonna mention that one

Dan: which of course we've got big themes going through and and similar to the platoon John Tom Cruise's character He looks like he could have come out of one of the scenes from from forest Gump patchouli where they got all the the huge veteran anti war protests along towards the end and everything yeah obviously Forrest was a hero

Sidey: Well don't forget He won the Vietnam war as well by extracting that guy from and he got shot in the buttocks twice

Dan: What was it It was it was captain Dan or someone like that Wasn't

Sidey: it Yeah few

Reegs: sort of references meet the Feebles which is the Peter Jackson One has a non flashback sequence it's got an American frog who came back from Vietnam addicted to every barbiturate known demand and he there's various silly homages to all of the films that we've talked about tonight Universal soldier that's They are killed at the beginning in the Vietnam war and then their bodies are cryogenically frozen watch

Sidey: oh yeah I was gonna do that one

Reegs: enormous well obviously the enormous giant penis of Dr Manhattan but Dr Manhattan himself as a huge guy winning the Vietnam war single-handedly and letting Richard Nixon run for office for forever and Kong skull island which rather questionably sets its plot in motion at the tail end of the Vietnam war a bit distasteful is that but rather than like you know massacring the indigenous population there's like Tom Hiddleston is getting to at it out of the sky by ape as he's in a helicopter and it's got What's his name John C Reilly's this pilot who crashed there and he's like being going steadily native And it's got person with learning difficulties impersonator Toby Kebbell in it as well playing a person and doing some of the animal thing Animal

Sidey: magic motion capture

Reegs: Yeah For for Kong himself So yeah actually filmed in Vietnam This one which most of the movies we've talked about tonight have not been famously full metal jackets Final scenes are shot at Canary Wharf here She's pretty cool

Sidey: Just a couple from me then to five bloods I don't know if you've guys have seen that

Pete: I have seen this film I saw it last week

Sidey: Okay it's pretty good

Pete: I fucking really liked it It's got like comedy elements to it as well It's a different take on a Vietnam

Reegs: Chadwick

Sidey: it has got Chad but yeah he's he's the dead one in it

Reegs: massive amount of like

Sidey: so we weren't we weren't going to do much because I would like you guys to see it And then there's one that I haven't seen which is rescued Dawn I don't know how I missed this one

Dan: all right

Pete: Christian

Dan: yeah

Sidey: it's the Baylor

Dan: it's basically them getting taken to a camp a Vietnamese

Pete: another true story isn't it

Dan: Yeah it might

Sidey: no when they come out

Dan: but based on that and it's a it goes more around the friendship that they forge within

Sidey: Zahn isn't it Yeah I would like to see it looks looks pretty good

Pete: Yeah I've just got one more it's a film that I it probably would have been the first Vietnam film that I ever watched And I remember liking this a long time ago Haven't revisited it for a long long time So Mention it for a midweek mentioned but Jacob's ladder obviously Tim Robbins as Jacob singer a Vietnam vet who's like you

Reegs: obsessed with ladders

Pete: he said when he's like you see I mean you said in like New York it opens with him serving in Vietnam and then it moves to New York and there's some like really sort of creepy weird hallucinogenic flashback type shit going on If you haven't seen it I'm not going to spoil it because it's this Well

Reegs: seen it oh

Pete: it because it's got quite a big sport in it

Reegs: it's a remake as well I think

Pete: there is a remake but I think it's going to be bollix But another good reason to mention it is his son in the film is played by Macaulay Culkin another home alone reference right

Sidey: there

Reegs: Oh yeah I was going to say that Marvel was probably but yeah

Dan: I'm pretty much done I think we've hit them all there

Reegs: I'm going to put in hamburger hill because it seems that you guys haven't seen it and maybe you will one day

Dan: it's apocalypse All of us Don't know

Pete: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going to back my man I'm going to go Good morning Vietnam

Sidey: I'm going blind fury

Reegs: Wow So we've got we've not got platoon full metal

Pete: born on the 4th of July There's a lot

Reegs: That is poor shame on you Bad dads

Pete: Yeah

Sidey: P a You really hit the brief for this one Cause I had never heard of this Certainly missed this when it came out

Pete: So it was a 2016 film by a director who I think David McKenzie I'm going to say

Reegs: Scottish Yeah

Sidey: no one's perfect Nobody's perfect

Pete: And it stars Chris pine Jeff Bridges Ben foster not the Watford goalkeeper but another guy

Reegs: Can we just get something out of the way Chris pine is a good

Sidey: No it was very

Pete: yeah

Sidey: strong mustache

Reegs: great hair great

Pete: hair and all this I actually looked at one of the dinosaurs like for a guy who's a bit sort of you know raggedy he's he's in good Nick and all that

Sidey: couple of he had a couple of bits of the shirt was open as well

Reegs: He's a good looking man I could barely take my

Dan: was almost too good looking It came

Sidey: but like be like Brad Pitt and legends of the fall It was that level of hotness Yeah

Reegs: anyway

Pete: What drew me into this film was was basically you know I sort of tried keeping to the brief I didn't know anything about this film I was looking at films that have come out in the last sort of you know five to 10 years that I would have missed but would have been you know well-received and this was one of a number that I kept seeing similar sorts of not reviews but like comments around it saying that like it's a it's a sort of a slightly different type of plot and yeah it was well received and I thought why not None none of us had seen it I don't believe any of us so yeah why not give it a give it a whirl So

Sidey: kind of a Western I would say like a modern day

Pete: a Neo Western Now I'm not a west Kind of guy I've not seen many westerns I've seen some they all seem to be the same fucking story really as far as I'm concerned But but this one I thought because it had the word Neo at the beginning I thought I'll maybe it will be different

Sidey: like new

Pete: I know I know it near means but yeah

Sidey: they're just some guys who they're going to lose the ranch because they The mother has died and they can't keep up the payments on the right

Reegs: Well the mother mortgage the house are ridiculous Right

Sidey: because

Reegs: she needed to pay Yeah She needed to pay for her hospital treatment And it's

Pete: Yeah And the and the bank have fucked her over rarely Yeah

Reegs: they've come up with the plot

Sidey: They've really thought this out They're just going to do they're robbing the same banks branches of the banks that they've got the mortgage with

Reegs: the Texas Midland Yeah

Sidey: But you

Pete: obviously don't know that at the beginning of the film you just see sort of it starts off basically if it's like two brothers in a pretty cool car like rolling into town holding up the bank and then straight away what you sort of notice is they're not going for like the jackpot and like you know they don't want a hundred dollar bills They don't want bundles of notes They just want the loose

Reegs: want the cash register They don't like to say they don't want anything That's going to have squibs

Sidey: this is not this is not heat This is not Neil McCauley there with a master plan of what they get This is just quick cash you know hit and run take the cash

Reegs: And you see in this robbery because it's clearly the first one that they've done together And it doesn't quite go according to plan but they pull it off Okay They manage to get out there without anybody getting hurt and they get what they need and they get out and then destroy the vehicle that they were in

Sidey: the stuff in between the filming and the car in between each heist was really

Reegs: Brilliant Absolutely The car the sequences in the cars were fantastic in

Pete: and I th in the in the first robbery as well you kind of see the sort of like the conflict or the differences between the two brothers that we found out that we find out that they are in the one of them like Chris pine He already wants us to like go in there get the money get out Doesn't want anyone to get hurt The other brother I think he's been Foster's character as Tanner I think he's a little bit more way words I think you already find out that Yeah he's just done a stretch inside and he's a little bit more gung ho and a a bit of a loose cannon So

Dan: It's just the kind of boy he is He's the brother So he was never going to say no he says that why you're doing this Cause could you ask

Pete: about it

Dan: know that that's it He's that kind of guy

Reegs: Well and that's important because it's Toby's plan It's Chris Pine's plan to do this So he's roped his brother into doing

Dan: That's right And he wants him obviously to do it his way because he believes his way will be safest and most effective But China Got an attitude you know he's got the attitude who gets drunk off beer when he's asked not to he says stay sober I need you sharp You know he goes yeah he gets drunk off beer and he's just knocking it back and he doesn't really give a fuck He he he wants to do more more more and you can see there's a self destructive element more in him

Sidey: than

Dan: in a Chris

Pete: And and and also interestingly is like quite early on they touch upon they go to the to the ranch and they're talking and Tanner is talking about the mother asking questions because it's clear that that they've been estranged for a long time and he doesn't give a fuck about her or her legacy or the fact that she's dead rarely but he knows that his brother does And and the one person he seems to love and respect in the world is his brother So that's why he's on board with this plan

Reegs: There's a second robbery an opportunistic one really their brothers are having dinner in a diner

Pete: Oh that's a that's the third robbery Yeah There's there's two they hit two branches together and in the the second one

Sidey: the women on the floor just before the opening hours

Pete: yeah yeah yeah and then it's the

Reegs: We're introduced the

Pete: impromptu one by the older the older

Dan: and in this second robbery where he's got the girl on the floor for for no reason he slams the bank manager in the face obviously hits him in their nose breaks his nose or whatever it is which is standard fare from a bank robber but there was no need for it And it just gives us further confirmation that tonneau is a little bit of a loose cannon Just the kind of guy you don't want move a gun

Reegs: whilst this is happening within introduced to the Texas ranger Marcus played by Jeff Bridges during one of his brilliant Southern draws I mean it's the role that is made for you can talk really slowly and be really

Dan: just so American yeah

Reegs: He's facing retirement and he's taken on this case because the FBI aren't interested in it because it's th the amount of money that's being stolen from these banks is so small that it's not an amount that they're interested in So he again I've talked about this before I don't understand the American law enforcement but he's a Texas ranger which is not a policemen It's something else and he's not in the FBI but anyway he's tasked with investigating it with his half Comanche half Mexican partner Alberto and he's just a massive racist twat to him the whole

Dan: it's balance though isn't

Pete: it

Reegs: it's not

Dan: it's not you don't see it I thought it was

Pete: but th the P the purpose of it So regardless so parking the sort of like the the audiences sort of take from it So what Jeff Bridges character does is he gives him a hard time and

Reegs: all the

Pete: all the time And like it's it's his voice It's what he thinks his bands are He's not doing it to be fucking horrible He's doing it to try and have some kind of comradery and banter and it's totally misguided And you can see that the the you know his partner's response to it at first is he doesn't laugh He doesn't even like sort of you know his phone He just gives him sort of like Stony faced sort of glass But then what he does do is he starts giving it back about his age and some other stuff And then and even makes reference Jeff Bridges makes references to it saying like oh you know you'll get this yet And that then they actually start to become a bit closer together as a result of that Yeah It's not

Reegs: do they really I don't know Do they

Pete: Jeff Jeffrey we'll we'll come onto it So you know Jeff Bridges reaction to what happens in a later scene but it's it's kind of it's it's misguided old school What he believes to be banter It's very believable

Reegs: Yeah it is Yeah

Pete: very believable regardless I didn't I didn't like watch it in a jar I found it uncomfortable at first and then I kind of thought okay so so the point of this they're both these guys are both senior in years he would have been a racist decade for a long time and his partner would have been on the receiving end of racist decades for a long time as well And it crosses over into elements of the you know native American culture and so on And I think even so I know this is jumping the gun but this film was going to be called Comanche at one point but it was changed but it touches on that quite a few times about the land and how it was stolen and the ancestors and so on But his partner his partner his character Alberto isn't it He does sort of almost get to a point where it's like if I can't stop him from doing it I'm gonna say Peppering him back about his age and other things that it ends up We kind of like breaks the frost between them to some extent

Reegs: anyway while whilst he's being a racist come to him there we're also finding out a bit more about the family situation of Toby and Tana So it's revealed in conversation Do stop me if I'm getting this at the wrong time but the the father there's some implication basically the Tanner offed the father isn't there Yeah

Pete: Yeah He's like that's why I shot him but you don't know if that's what you did is stretch inside for but

Reegs: yeah And the mother Was obviously a powerful figure in their lives but they're not referring to her very fondly There's no love there but Chris Pine's character is sort of obsessional about this desire to hold onto the ranch

Pete: is a very good reason for that

Reegs: Yeah absolutely And we find that reason out

Pete: because there's gold in them They're not Hills cause it's flat but yeah

Dan: yeah yeah around about 30 minutes in in the cowboy diner there was one one moment where they were they were having a conversation It was interviewing the people after that that guy Robbery in the diner

Reegs: The impromptu one where he just walks off and

Dan: Tana just goes into the bar while Chris Pine's character is staying in he's talking to the waitress and everything and

Pete: she goes into the bank

Dan: keen on him and he's having a chat His brothers goes in starts robbing the other bank and everything And after that

Reegs: she fancied a bit Chris pine didn't she Or she was throwing herself at him

Dan: Yeah yeah she really was She was and he left her a $200 tip and and probably thought she was in with her a chance there but then found out that money was very likely stolen when Jeff Bridges walked in there and he starts talking to some people on a table next to them about you know have you seen anything how long you've been here and everything And one of the guys just mentioned a line that I draw down and he says you know that Robin banks Diane ages is gone Like you know that you don't see these bank kind of robberies anymore because we are in the we are in a more modern day as you said it's a Neo kind of Western

Reegs: I know it's wild west style two guys going into a

Dan: guys going in with her but you know it just doesn't happen anymore but in this particular town and and these towns these banks it was they were rolling back the clocks a little bit

Reegs: Yeah they come up with an ingenious way I thought of Read of the sort of the banks would know about the serial numbers on the dollar bills So they take them off to casinos trade them in for poker chips Toby goes and sits at the bar has a few drinks and then cashes back out and like an hour or two later Tanner goes off and manages to double their winnings on I think it's poker Is

Sidey: it

Reegs: Or yeah so that's nice as well So they're building up this summer money

Dan: these are all casinos given to the native Americans as well through settlements and things that they've they've had as well Isn't it

Pete: Yeah And and so yeah that that was the bit where you sort of find out what they're robbing the banks for because when he when he goes to the to the cashier and says that she says do you want casual check He has $4,000 in cash So that Catch up with his maintenance payments with his ex for for his boys but has the rest put onto a check for their Texas Midland bank which at that point I was like okay what's going on here And then you eventually realize it's to pay back the bank for the mortgage We'll do the cover all the mortgage payments and any fees and so on with the money that they've stolen from that very bank which is even referenced by the like the lawyer who helps facilitate that and sets up the trust fund or put the ranch into the trust fund for for his son by saying you know you're you're paying the bank off with money that you sold them with their own money Like what what's more texts than than that

Reegs: And they've got to get it done by Friday

Pete: Yeah Yeah

Reegs: there's a

Pete: there'll be a foreclosure or something that

Reegs: So you've got these

Pete: the ranch I presume

Reegs: you've got this ticking clock now of days to go and they reckon they've got now another four or five banks that they need to hit before they've raised the sum that they they need

Pete: Yeah And then and then it sort of the the the plot sort of goes into the narrowing down of the banks that are a worth robbing for for the brothers and B how what is Jeff Bridges Character's name Is it Hamilton

Reegs: Marcus Hamilton Yeah

Pete: So he yeah he works out which one they're going to hit next based on which one's closed which because he's got party to the information that one of the brunches closed which of the brothers actually rock up to and find out for themselves

Reegs: He goes through the same thought process that they do And he decides this particular bank is going to be one of the ones that's going to be robbed

Pete: Yeah

Dan: working out that they're saving for something here much like the

Reegs: well he's figured out them their modus

Dan: when they when they do the point break it reminded me a little bit of that kind of robbery where it was just going out just get the tills and go it pays for your summer It pays for for whatever it is

Reegs: deer is to do it when nobody's there which starts to become a bit of a

Pete: well th th th they're now going into one that's it's a bigger town And also because they've missed the opportunity to do one the beginning of the day they're now coming into this this town and I think it's post is it is the name of the town So they they're coming into this on a time That's going to be a bit busier So they go into the into the bank to do the robbery And obviously there's a load of people in the

Reegs: and

Pete: law of averages There's all there's going to be a like a have a go hero and also one of the people who works in the bank as well So there it becomes like a gunfight

Reegs: It was really good the way they showed the change the real upping of the stakes here because all the banks they burst into before they were totally in control there's nobody in there other than the teller maybe in the manager that's it one time they go in comically there's an old guy who has to put his gun on the counter and he's like just keep that over there all old timer And they rub it and they sort of run off and he shoots out the shoot at them and say go away So it's escalating But this time when they go in they're immediately on the back foot because the bank is really busy and everybody's packing Like you said a

Dan: split second Isn't it Where they like what we're going to do Right Well then we're all in here and

Reegs: Exactly

Pete: But like Tana like doubles down on on the action and Toby's like more reticent and he just wants to get there as soon as possible He knows that they're in over and Toby ends up getting caught in some crossfire Oh this is where Tana executes a couple of guys So like the stakes go way up This is way above and beyond

Reegs: Well the security guard

Pete: wanting

Reegs: they didn't know where he was So there's a security guard in the building with a pistol who comes out there's also somebody on the floor it took me a while to realize what was going on She was just texting her dad or something or mates to say there's a robbery going on So outside suddenly like like five trucks full of Texans turn up I mean America has access to guns Is this a plausible thing Do you think that this could happen

Pete: them I'd say yeah there's definitely certain parts of America where if you Rob the local whatever then the rest of the people in the town are going to come and fuck you up

Dan: they hit two guys of robbing a bank and they're like

Sidey: 10 guys

Dan: we're going to send 10 and just

Reegs: was easily 10 guys Wasn't a net we've all got shotguns and

Dan: five trucks chase him out of town until they turn around and bring out a massive kind of semiautomatic machine gun and start spraying them down with it

Sidey: Toby Chris Bryan's character actually kill anyone he

Pete: no no no because he's as they're driving away from that he's Now sort of saying that like you know you killed those guys Like it's you know that's not what this has meant to be like And I think Tana said something like well it was also them So which it kind of

Reegs: and it was at that point but they'd put themselves in

Pete: the first guy that he executes I think it might be that yeah he just fucking shoots them straight in their head

Reegs: Yeah But he was about to draw a bead on

Pete: possibly Yeah But but yeah Toby has been shot He gets a through and through they call it where but it's come out the other side so he's not looking good but he's he's gonna be okay

Reegs: This sets up the end part of the movie where

Sidey: well that guy they split up

Reegs: And Tana decides I mean I just didn't see he's just basically creates this last stand

Sidey: sacrifice himself

Reegs: going to sacrifice himself This scene was really dramatic he starts firing on the guys with a sniper rifle from a Ridge and then the Texas Rangers who turn up

Sidey: he gets a mighty Disney

Reegs: Alberto is

Pete: gets hit in the head

Dan: to adjust off the one last kind of a insult to him Doesn't he Where he goes you just got there and Tomahawk and miss something And then next minute

Sidey: his whole brain is like in his hat Yeah it's horrible

Pete: and this this is where I think you know th the bouncer and so on whilst totally ignorant and old-fashioned was just banter because Hamilton is fucking traumatized by it He he whales like

Reegs: Yeah But just don't be a prick

Pete: No no no I I I understand I understand that but like he's you

Reegs: he is distraught

Pete: of the world and he's from an older generation And I think that it is realistic If not you know that palatable it's it's realistic And so it doesn't I think there there's no Really horrible ill intent towards his his colleague He just thinks it's funny and it and you know it makes the day go by a bit quicker He's fucking rarely rarely like you know upset by his partners like execution So

Sidey: he gets he gets some of the the locals to run him around

Pete: that the Hills and the surrounding area to to to drive him up to another vantage point where he can

Sidey: he out out snipers the

Pete: yeah He picks off

Sidey: It's a sort of anticlimactic death because he's sat is just sat reloading or looking at the garden just from we're not from nowhere but he just gets caught and just slumps over and that's it go maybe sort of propped up by his rifle

Reegs: The scenes are good though Classic Western stuff of people just at the top of ridges between like Brock formation stuff It's

Sidey: all that stuff

Reegs: stuff but yeah so tan

Dan: it was a real yeah it was a we were horrible salt on top of that halo as well Wasn't he Because he was he was taking

Sidey: well I think he knew it was going to go but he was going to take out as many as he could before he got got yeah

Dan: That

Reegs: Toby gets stopped at a police blockade as he escapes And it's a very tense scene where he's like you've just seen him strap itself up again from the through and through or the curtain shot or wherever it was and he does get through undetected then he goes off and I think he goes to source out of the bank Doesn't he goes in pays off the money and faxes all the bit He makes the guy he takes him over to the photocopier He's like when are you going to do that I'm going to do it later today He's like well I'll come with you We'll do it now So he just walks him over to the photocopy of the fax machine blah blah blah it's quite good So

Pete: Yeah Yeah

Dan: he's got it And he he w he also knew that guy was never gonna do that if he'd have walked out and left him to it So he had because the bank was all for taking this land that has loads of oil on it And as we see a little bit later on down the line it's it's he's retired

Reegs: Yeah Hamilton

Dan: Yes it is So a little bit later on down the line the brother's dead he's taken the rap for everything they haven't been able to pin anything on Chris pine

Reegs: He's got away

Sidey: quite unbelievable Really Yeah

Reegs: Yeah But he's got away with

Dan: He had he had I think it was explained in in one of the by the the cop when he goes in I'll let me just have a look at that case again he goes look we've been through it Guy was there he'd never had a record He was in the war you know it was all that kind of

Reegs: How you how do you think you were supposed to feel that he'd gotten away with

Sidey: but it was very morally ambiguous as was my takeaway from it You

Pete: Definitely And I think that's dealt with in the very final scene between Hamilton and Toby in that because obviously after that scene talking about their dad once he's he that just takes it upon himself to go to the ranch and confront Toby who he thinks has done all this for like personal like direct personal gain He thinks that this is now Toby's ranch with Toby living on it living the life of Riley that like he wants to know why he robs he robbed banks to the tune of not even what he now Claire's a month from like the the oil that's being produced And so yeah it is it he wants sort of closure on why that happened why his partner got shot He but he holds Toby responsible for it Cause obviously he kills Tanner in in revenge for it But then he says he actually tells Toby like my partner's dad because of you And he had a family and and because he asked him at one stage Hamilton have D have you got a family because he's explaining why he did it And he was like well I know like is it Alberto had a family and obviously he's dead He holds him responsible for it I think then it kind of like takes another sort of light step down from Chris Paul has just done this for his own like reward when the ex-wife and the two boys return And it turns out that they're the ones living on the ranch They're the ones benefiting from this like you know

Reegs: trust

Pete: the oil and that he just comes along and is like a yeah yeah Basically like yeah like a janitor his ex wife and kids ranch and then there's yeah quite A strange sort of like finale to it where there's just it's very it's posturing really and I didn't know if they were talking because like they're saying like oh he says all I live here So if you want to come and finish this conversation cause at one point it looks like they're going to draw guns on each other

Reegs: Well Chris Pine's got a gun

Pete: Yeah Well they both have Yeah and he sort of says if you want to finish this conversation this is where I live and we can talk it through and they kind of like talk about talking and I didn't know if they meant like yeah if you basically want to come out and try and fucking execute me I'm I'm going to be ready and I'll probably shoot you first So that's kind of what it alluded

Reegs: to

Sidey: we mentioned that this was a film that we'd all missed and just doing a bit of reading around it And the movie did test well with audiences and had big names in it but they didn't want to advertise it didn't want to be associated with it because it was sort of anti financial institutions and had that morally ambiguous kind of messy So it didn't get a big publicity thing around it so that's why

Pete: that's kind of alluded to in the film about banks it's it's because what it

Reegs: it's a really on the nose thing about how the the Indians were replaced by the white man and the white man's now being

Pete: replaced by the banks but they're white guys banks Yeah It's

Reegs: Yeah

Sidey: this was also made at the same time as star Trek beyond So Chris pine only had two weeks to make it I saw that

Pete: Yeah

Sidey: it was filmed in sequence It doesn't happen very often but they filmed it or

Pete: but his his in his two weeks So the the scene at the end

Sidey: the only one with them

Pete: Yeah That that was his last day and yeah Bridges first day Yeah

Sidey: It was made it was knocked up for $12 million So based on what we've said what do you reckon box office one

Pete: I didn't see the numbers for this going by what you said and the fact that I never saw it And the fact that you guys never saw it I'm going to say it Wilson a big hit and broke even

Dan: I think it's probably made money I guess it must've had a bigger better cinema release in marketing in another place but for some reason not

Sidey: it did have four Oscar nominations Jeff Bridges was was nominated for an Oscar So it got a bit of obviously publicity about that It made 38 million when I was writing that down I had to check because it's almost exactly the same as the other film We talked about

Dan: and Jeff the dude's performance it elevated the film didn't it He really really is He was just yeah

Reegs: it's very similar to his rooster Cogburn

Sidey: yeah yeah Was yeah

Reegs: of the blur

Sidey: I really enjoy this I wouldn't say I loved it loved it but I did enjoy watching it I don't know when I'd go back to immediately Also the soundtrack is by Nick cave

Reegs: Yeah But it's sort of like I've been listening to it this week It's sort of like outtakes from better albums So I quite liked it but it's almost like the things that didn't make it into the better albums

Dan: you know one of those the retired cop that couldn't let it go It threatened that a little bit at the end when I thought oh he's going to go back to the ranch and they're going to have a shoe owl or whatever but it didn't it didn't do that You know it held off and it left a little bit of well what do you think is going to happen after this Because I think they realized they're not bad men There there was a situation that he can't wrap his head around Why four people died including his partner your brother in all the rest of it But I think as he started he's a clever guy He was putting the pieces together when he realized oh Your farm is not your land And and there may be around the banks and seeing that that situation like the bank has screwed them over enough These people that they felt forced to go and do that

Pete: Hmm Yeah it was sort of morally ambiguous at the end but I enjoyed the film a little bit with you Sorry I I really I did enjoy it Whether I go back and rewatch it I'd recommend it to

Sidey: Yeah I'd say exactly right I would say definitely check it out It's definitely worth your time It's really good But it's probably a wonder for me like I'll just stick with that

Reegs: I yeah I did enjoy it I thought the themes about rural economic blight just it was going on and on and honor the same stuff over and over again And I don't know that I really I liked Chris pine Yeah Ben foster just twitches a lot and stammers a bit And overacts quite a lot And I didn't buy either of them as as Southern guys at all brothers No

Sidey: nothing

Reegs: It he is hot and he's hotness is disturbing in this He's not he was too hot And so they weren't they I didn't buy either of them and the script kind of drops in the middle but the sequences in the bank stuff is you know really good and it was surprising And Jeff Bridges

Pete: Yeah

Sidey: Check it out Y'all

Reegs: which of your offspring are watching trap door

Pete: None all beer I put this on I put a few episodes of this on and Charlie kind of got involved a little bit but this was actually a suggestion from my Mrs This is her first Um

Sidey: yeah although

Pete: I just I just said like we've we've completely moved away from things that the kids are watching now Cause they're so dreadful side He's like really like put down a marker and set a precedent in terms of things that he wants to watch Let's say kids shows so I said to Cindy I w what did you use like as a kid growing up what did you and she was like it took her a while to get there and I and she was giving me some references and eventually we agreed that she was talking about trapdoor which I then decided Yeah I think I really liked that as a kid I don't remember a great deal about it I didn't remember any of the characters names I didn't know how long it had run for or when it was out even

Reegs: you remembered the music though That's the one thing you did for a

Pete: I did And that's that's one of we've had a few write really like epic theme tunes to kids things And this is another one I think maybe Sidey using the power of editing can probably give it some love

Sidey: here it is that was really good

Pete: Whilst we're on the subject of theme tunes so this theme tune was written by a guy called Bob Scottish he also wrote the theme tune or co-wrote the theme tune to fun house is another absolute banger and also the game show wheel of fortune

Reegs: How did the music go to Willow forging

Pete: can't remember but I'm sure it was if someone played that side he's going to play it for us now

Sidey: Okay

Dan: If Bob's done it is catchy

Pete: unbelievably wrote quite a few songs for shaking Stevens including Merry Christmas everyone So yeah Bob what a guy

Reegs: And it is a bagging song Then you open that trap door

Pete: Yeah You're a fool If you do

Reegs: Yeah

Sidey: These episodes are very brief which is good

Pete: thought that that would get a lot of love for this because no matter whether you thought it was awful or not you only had to endure it for less than five minutes

Sidey: Yeah Well I would say in defense of the policy of picking what your kids are watching where they're not watching my daughter binge-watch All of these the whole there's two seasons of Fortnite is 40 episodes in total And she watched them all absolutely loved it So this is something that my daughter watches So it does

Pete: I'd suggested it

Sidey: Yeah I've never nominated it but it would be a no it would be a valid nomination because kids do watch it It's that boring Nick parks is it Aardman animation that I always know as in he does a style of this sort of animation it's like clay model bus scene if you like

Reegs: is a bit more of a narcotic isn't

Sidey: cruder and and my opinion better for it an arc is a good way to describe it but they definitely a lot of the things look like something you can concentrate

Reegs: on precision I think

Sidey: No but what I'm saying is you could nip into the kids plus scene or whatever Play-Doh collection and make a lot of these things

Dan: Yeah Yeah you could there were they didn't need any special talent to be able to produce some of the characters they've got there but the the soundtrack straightway grabs ya the animation is fun It's really fun to look at and the the way it's is strong together

Sidey: Mm

Pete: I particularly like in terms of the animation things I the first bit where I really kind of like oh yeah yeah no this this I really liked was like the sort of like the worm type things like wriggling in a bowl like the chaos in the kitchen because this episode is about breakfast time and the you've got the thing that lives upstairs in the castle that the our our hero buck is the servant of I guess and he lives downstairs in like a basement slash kitchen type scenario And there is in the middle of the floor a trap door that you know obviously there's references to it in the title and throughout every episode

Sidey: Despite

Pete: told don't open the trap door it gets opened every single episode and things come out of it different things You know they're pretty friendly and some less So

Dan: I I remember watching this when I was a kid and it was one of those things you get home and cause it was so short you had to be in the right place at the right time Back in those days you didn't have all this stop and I'll watch it later kind of stuff It was on If you weren't there you missed it and when I would get to watch this it was I don't know it was one of those things a little bit like the Simpsons in where did I keep coming up with the ideas you know to to come out what's coming out And it's very very simple each each setting I mean a lot more simple than the Simpsons that you've just got basically one set and I don't remember it going outside the kitchen area

Pete: Well it does in this episode it goes into like a another room and a cupboard and so on but you never go upstairs You never see the thing and you never actually go Through the trap door I think I was doing a bit of research and the thing that there's references to what it may look like there there's all kinds of things have you done more research the me side

Sidey: Well the 14th episode of the first series the little thing a lightning bolt illuminates the mass a mass of spongy tentacles And in the same episode Burke makes a reference to his three eyes Then in the 13th episode he asked which heads contains a to fake implying multiple heads So lots of clues but he never actually shown

Reegs: it's some sort of abomination Isn't it some awful thing that needs to be fed and often he's fed upon the things that emerged from the trap door as a as a curse But the first thing that comes out of the trap door in the episode that we watched there's a yeah

Pete: strange yellow big triangle headed thing

Dan: Yeah It's like a yeah Triangle headed yellow thing

Pete: those pies that the yellow thing eats did look quite

Sidey: episodes this

Reegs: Yeah yeah yeah he ends up being fed to the abomination upstairs the yellow thing and then carelessly I think something else escapes from the trap door

Pete: A bigger redder angrier looking thing

Reegs: Did you see the this has quite a lot of law this big red monster in the

Sidey: truck or

Reegs: Yeah Did you did you pick up on this

Sidey: one

Pete: as

Reegs: so the the red monster that comes out in this episode also comes out in the final episode and he apparently kills one of them Rog I don't know which one Rog is a Right So

Pete: of the main characters

Reegs: Yeah So it just ends with this like really a sad thing where they're being terrorized forever by the red monster And one of them's dead

Pete: It's a tragic ending

Reegs: Yeah

Dan: it doesn't come across as a sad cartoon though this tool or a sad animation it's just for his old as it is And potentially how rubbish this could be It's not like that I just thought it was really great fun And for five minutes it's the kind of thing you hope would your kids might go oh I want to do that You know and I want to move I want to make my own little animation or

Reegs: I did actually Yeah I had a video camera used to do like stop motion I mean it was shit but same sort of thing like that

Dan: see that see if you can find them I get them off Yeah If you can dig them out and get them on

Reegs: but you'd like work for

Pete: you for it as

Reegs: Yeah It'd be terrible And you'd work for like in those days it was like literally turning a camera on and then turning it off

Dan: again

Reegs: and then like trying to do it And you know you'd work for a whole afternoon and get about half a second footage and it was terrible

Dan: Well that five minute episode probably takes them a week or something to put together

Reegs: You can almost smell it You can always smell it as you're

Pete: I know exactly what you mean Yeah Is his so his pals in the we're calling it the kitchen sort of area are boney Who's a skull and a sort of a spider called drut which is turd backwards

Reegs: Oh I didn't pick up on that Yeah Yeah It's right there Staring you in the face

Sidey: there

Dan: other kind of clever word playing names

Pete: None that I'm aware of No

Dan: No Okay

Reegs: There's a monster called shitster but

Dan: yeah

Reegs: it's not the

Dan: not no no

Reegs: Nothing is clever as turned

Pete: Oh and there was a snake called pubis No there wasn't I made that up

Reegs: I liked this It's got that crazy British feel to it I mean I don't there's probably not much of a narrative through line I wouldn't think about it from monsters coming

Sidey: up feeding the thing

Dan: I did you know how much it costs an episode No it actually costs them around about three and a half thousand pounds to put and each one made over 7 million

Reegs: Each episode

Dan: Each episode made over 7 million

Reegs: made these numbers up You feel like

Pete: How talk me through can you if you've got a

Dan: No no make it this is all stuff I'm just making up

Pete: now Okay

Sidey: right

Pete: I see I see

Reegs: Yeah I mean you liked it You liked it He liked it There was a one star review on Amazon a said I never wanted this item I press the button by mistake which seems harsh but it does show you the value I always click on the one star reviews on Amazon It's good Fun

Dan: I didn't put a lot of fat much there really even their name

Sidey: Yeah I really enjoy this and my daughter really enjoys this so it doesn't have unicorns or ponies or any of that shit in it So you can definitely watch this and

Pete: Yeah It has dropped to the spider instead

Sidey: on me

Pete: Oh glum it's was one of his

Reegs: great glymphatic

Pete: Oh right And the thing is kind of got a bit of like a Cockney accent You know he's a gate is really rushed and does all the voices

Dan: I did I did try to get the uh did try to get

Oh said I did try and get my daughter to watch this but timing wasn't good again but it's the kind of thing I'll try again Especially after hearing inside his daughter liked it so

Sidey: much

Dan: Yeah I'll I'll give it a crack

Sidey: Right Do you have any treasures for us to watch next week What are they

Reegs: The top five is going to be the top five spectacles In movies as a glasses wearer

Pete: I have a window face as well So that should work well

Reegs: window liquor no wait that's not right Is it The movie is going to be mother

Sidey: Oh really Okay All right Now I've never I've I haven't missed as well I've avoided this one

Reegs: I have a little bit cause it's Darren Aronofsky and I really like him but this could be a bit of a

Sidey: yeah Well we'll see here Let me see I haven't actually read that much about it

Reegs: And then

Dan: that on Is Netflix or it's on the television

Reegs: Yeah just turn it on and it will find

Dan: key dokie

Reegs: And the kids think I'm not quite sure I'm going to go I'm going to like her last into the 21st century and we'll go down some sort of like YouTube slash Amazon prime kids network Thing of

Sidey: no half an hour So

Reegs: I'll make it short I I can't remember the name of it I get the two things confused but there's one where some kids taste things and there's another one

Sidey: the vagina monologues

Reegs: know it's not it's not the vagina monologues

Pete: telling me about on the dark web

Reegs: It's not on the dark web now yeah I'll I'll get the name of it

Sidey: Okay cool Well whilst we've been doing all this with seems like a few extra people have been tuning in which is really great So if you are listening please do recommend us and ask someone else to listen to That would be wonderful all that remains is to say Sidey sunny out

Reegs: out